[multicartual]

Fucking neighbor that moved in downstairs is a loser fat bitch who texts me with complaints over noise constantly. She works a shit job and constantly bitches whenever I'm having fun.

Tonight we filmed a music video here and immediately she started bitching and sending passive-aggressive texts followed up by shit talking me with stuff like "Get your shit together buddy." Hey, I have an idea you fucking cunt, how about you get some skills so you don't have to get up at 7 AM and work a shit job, bitch? This is Gastown, if you want it quiet move to Burnaby you stupid fucking cunt.


Renting sucks because I have to suck it up and be nice. I can never say what I really feel otherwise she'd just complain to the strata and my landlord would get hassled.


If I owned this place I would go off on her, laugh like Bieber, and just pay the fines!


Renting :failed:

[spideyv2]

Dear diary

[Lomac]

Or, y'know, you could abide by noise bylaws... ;)

[bballguy]

Maybe you should STFU....Filmed a music video at your apartment? LMFAO, 0K4Y BR0

[multicartual]

Or, y'know, you could abide by noise bylaws... ;)


Not all neighborhoods are the same, there are localized cultures for sure.


Where can I move to where I can live my spontaneous lifestyle? I suppose the truth is that I just need more money and then I can act however I want

[multicartual]

Maybe you should STFU....Filmed a music video at your apartment? LMFAO, 0K4Y BR0


Yeah my place was used for one of the locations and I'm getting credit as art director for the shoot, what is lame about that?!


You'd think people would give a brutha props for following his dreams, but this is Vancouver where the bucket crabs just shit on each other

[fliptuner]

If she's a loser and a fat, bitch, why'd you give her your number?



:ifyouknow::troll:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I moved into a new apartment recently and the walls are cheaped out on. the insulation sucks.

my old apartment i had my 10 inch sub against the wall of a bedroom and they only complained when i jacked it up to what i would consider "loud" in the daytime (but at 4am).

the new place, my sub is turned down, and my stereo is turned down, and i still get complaints from TWO walls away.

there's no way around this. I just have to turn it down after 11pm (the agreed time between me and the neighbour, they sleep at 11pm sharp).

there's a dude upstairs that's obsessed about working out cuz i can hear him dropping weights all evening and NIGHT too. but since i'm a night owl i don't bitch. i don't care. cuz i know i'm just another version of him lol.

u have to just move into a place where the walls and floors are thicker.
unfortunately, the majority of people lead a lifestyle that is different than yours. I feel your pain. You just have to find a place where people are more in sync with your values.

every place i move into, my stereo gets louder and louder, every single night, until someone complains, and then i mark that volume and keep it just below that. lol.
you never know until you test the limits.

yeah noise bylaws... just follow em. if she's texting you before the bylaw, then fuck her.
if she's texting you after, then you're in the "wrong".

[bballguy]

Yeah my place was used for one of the locations and I'm getting credit as art director for the shoot, what is lame about that?!


You'd think people would give a brutha props for following his dreams, but this is Vancouver where the bucket crabs just shit on each other

Yet here you are shitting on someone because they have a "shit job" that forces them to wake up early.....

[320icar]

I grew up in a house til i was 20 and moved out. Could do anything i want in the driveway, or backyard. Could turn each stereo to 11 and watch movies like i was in the theatres.


BUT when I moved out into apartments like you have, I grew the fuck up and treated people with respect and act accordingly. You sound like a fucking child. 5 years later I've never had a single complaint. Closest i get is the stink eye from the 98 year old lady because i have a beard and mohawk
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[multicartual]

u have to just move into a place where the walls and floors are thicker.


A year ago everything was fine, a bunch of new people moved in and they refuse to adapt to the noise level that has been the standard here for 3 years. For 3 years I have been the exact same level of noise but the new tenants are fucking geeks.

So pissed!

I have a gym next door with a personal trainer that trains people from 6 AM until like 8 PM. I don't mind the weights crashing down and SLAMMING the floor at all. In fact, it sounds bad ass! When I hear someone screaming and the weights shake my apartment when they hit the floor I'll often get up from my desk and bust off a bunch of chin ups on the bar hanging from the beams above my loft. I like the energy of hearing other people work out, it gets me pumped up.

[multicartual]

You sound like a fucking child.
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If having fun in a downtown loft with a ton of hot chicks and making 10k a month while working a few hours a day while being free to pursue art is being childish... call me mother fucking beaver cleaver you 9-5 bitch

[320icar]

Lol. You do sound like a child.
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[bballguy]

LMFAO, What a tool...


Edit:

When I hear someone screaming and the weights shake my apartment when they hit the floor I'll often get up from my desk and bust off a bunch of chin ups on the bar hanging from the beams above my loft. I like the energy of hearing other people work out, it gets me pumped up.

lol, yup...definitely a tool...

[Jmac]

Or you could, you know, be considerate of others ...

[multicartual]

Yet here you are shitting on someone because they have a "shit job" that forces them to wake up early.....


Why would someone live in a live/work building that has so many loud commercial rentals if you wanted peace and quiet? Shit the bums scream in the alley and fist fight every few nights, Brooklyn nightclub is PUMPING until 4 AM every single Saturday night and you can clearly hear every word from drunk Surrey jacks.

Why live here if you're expecting it to be quiet? You're an asshole if you move here and expect the culture to bow to you, the culture here is spontaneous and loud.

[bballguy]

Why would someone live in a live/work building that has so many loud commercial rentals if you wanted peace and quiet? Shit the bums scream in the alley and fist fight every few nights, Brooklyn nightclub is PUMPING until 4 AM every single Saturday night and you can clearly hear every word from drunk Surrey jacks.

Why live here if you're expecting it to be quiet? You're an asshole if you move here and expect the culture to bow to you, the culture here is spontaneous and loud.

Yet it seems like she's only got a problem with you....Does she send a noise complaint to the bums outside too?

NVM, it doesn't even matter....after reading that last little excerpt that I quoted you on in my last post, it's clear how much of a douchebag you are.

[multicartual]

Or you could, you know, be considerate of others ...


Location: Duncan BC


:suspicious:

[320icar]

I do agree with your last statement. It's like people who move in next to an airport (that's been there for 40 years) then complain the planes are too loud and actually get runways shut down
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[multicartual]

Yet it seems like she's only complaining about you? Does she send a noise complaint to the bums outside too?

NVM, it doesn't even matter....after reading that last little excerpt that I quoted you on in my last post, it's clear how much of a douchebag you are.


If I lived in Yaletown, the West End, Coal Harbour, White Rock, Burnaby, etc etc etc... I would be quieter.

I live in Gastown in a building zoned for live/work. It is a warehouse loft conversion with a very artistic feel and many commercial properties. Many of the suites on my floor are commercial and have noone here at night.


Perhaps I need to blame the landlords for not giving the new tenants any information on the building before they move in. This isn't a place where people live for peace and quiet. I would love to invite you here to experience a Friday or Saturday night as there is crazy noise until 4 AM each night.

I love it!

It sucks that there is nowhere for artists to live in this city without stepping on some 9-5 drone's toes

[meme405]

:facepalm:

If you make 10k a month consistently doing this, why don't you buy a fucking house. That way you can make as much noise as you want (within reason). At least that way when you do get a noise complaint it will be the cops who come a knocking and I would love to see how big of a tough guy you would be then.

As others stated above, you live in a shared building, and you have a duty to act within the strata by laws. You also have a duty to act respectfully to those around you and just generally be a considerate human being towards them. Instead you sound like a complete imbecile and a douchebag. Enjoy your eviction and the countless ones that are going to follow until you grow up...

EDIT: Since you are saying all this crap about the building being Noise friendly and shit, go ahead and post up their Strata Bylaws I would love to see the section on "Unlimited noise - Until 4AM".

[multicartual]

I do agree with your last statement. It's like people who move in next to an airport (that's been there for 40 years) then complain the planes are too loud and actually get runways shut down
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Thank you.

A lot of people complain about Brooklyn and are trying to get that club shut down. It's bullshit. The club was here before they moved in. Why move in knowing there's a nightclub and expecting the neighborhood to change to what YOU want?

I love the energy that all the drunks fighting pours into the neighborhood, it gets me psyched up. Fuck I wrote some of my best work after witnessing a brawl until like 5 AM a few months ago where Iranians had a 30 person slap fight. I had such an adenaline rush from it that I wrote like 10k words in 1 night.

[multicartual]

:facepalm:

If you make 10k a month consistently doing this, why don't you buy a fucking house.


When you live in a neighborhood like this you're paying for the lifestyle, living in Gastown is unlike anywhere I've ever lived before and the atmosphere is incredible. The people I've met and continue to meet are always inspirational in all of their own unique fucked up ways. I love it here and it feels like home.


I lived in a house in Langley where I could crank the tunes to 11, but if you wanted to go anywhere you had to drive for 30 minutes and the energy level you get from fields of grass, cows, and llamas is nothing like an urban wasteland of degenerate drug users, hot bitches, d-bags, and creative people

[bballguy]

Thank you.

A lot of people complain about Brooklyn and are trying to get that club shut down. It's bullshit. The club was here before they moved in. Why move in knowing there's a nightclub and expecting the neighborhood to change to what YOU want?

I love the energy that all the drunks fighting pours into the neighborhood, it gets me psyched up. Fuck I wrote some of my best work after witnessing a brawl until like 5 AM a few months ago where Iranians had a 30 person slap fight. I had such an adenaline rush from it that I wrote like 10k words in 1 night.

okay jason, I think I'm done here.

[SoNaRWaVe]

If having fun in a downtown loft with a ton of hot chicks and making 10k a month while working a few hours a day while being free to pursue art is being childish... call me mother fucking beaver cleaver you 9-5 bitch

when you rent, you signed off on forms? abide by the rules. or if you don't like it, then why not just move out and find another place? i mean, it doesn't seem like money is a problem for you, so you can rent somewhere else that can accommodate your own needs.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

how about you invite me there and i'll move in beside her and blast my music too.

we can drive her out together.

I only want it quiet when the sun is up. that's my only rule. when the sun is up, don't be louder than the traffic and noise outside. hahaha...

guys, he sounds like a childish dick, but he has a point. I keep it down because I KNOW i'm the only one. but if the environment and culture around it supports it... fuck the law lol.

Sometimes I wish they would designate floors or buildings that are "night owl" friendly.
anything you can do in the day, whether it be blasting loud music, playing your piano, drums or sax... lifting weights... you can do at night.

[multicartual]

EDIT: Since you are saying all this crap about the building being Noise friendly and shit, go ahead and post up their Strata Bylaws I would love to see the section on "Unlimited noise - Until 4AM".


The strata is written by fucking beige geeks who don't even live in the neighborhood and who wouldn't even know how to roll a doob, seduce a 20 year old, or do a brake stand

Fuck I know for a fact that the property management company rep drives a fucking smart car and wears male leggings

[bballguy]

how about you invite me there and i'll move in beside her and blast my music too.

we can drive her out together.

I only want it quiet when the sun is up. that's my only rule. when the sun is up, don't be louder than the traffic and noise outside. hahaha...

guys, he sounds like a childish dick, but he has a point. I keep it down because I KNOW i'm the only one. but if the environment and culture around it supports it... fuck the law lol.

Sometimes I wish they would designate floors or buildings that are "night owl" friendly.
anything you can do in the day, whether it be blasting loud music, playing your piano, drums or sax... lifting weights... you can do at night.

Sure, but that's not how the world works.......majority of people do their shit during the day, and try to sleep at night....

[meme405]

how about you invite me there and i'll move in beside her and blast my music too.

we can drive her out together.

I only want it quiet when the sun is up. that's my only rule. when the sun is up, don't be louder than the traffic and noise outside. hahaha...

guys, he sounds like a childish dick, but he has a point. I keep it down because I KNOW i'm the only one. but if the environment and culture around it supports it... fuck the law lol.

Sometimes I wish they would designate floors or buildings that are "night owl" friendly.
anything you can do in the day, whether it be blasting loud music, playing your piano, drums or sax... lifting weights... you can do at night.

If you feel there is a market for that feel free to start your own company and develop a property and then you can put together whatever strata rules you want. Until then you cannot use the excuse of "I want it to be like this, so I am going to ignore what the rules are and call those who abide by them bitches".

[multicartual]

it doesn't seem like money is a problem for you, so you can rent somewhere else that can accommodate your own needs.


I feel like this is one of the last buildings in all of Vancouver that has some sort of tolerance for spontaneity


I could afford probably up to 4k a month for my business if I REALLY needed to rent something that expensive, but I think that our culture here in Vancouver is geared more towards being quiet and being boring.

Where do the wild live?

Ulic is right... I wish there were a building or area geared towards night owls.


It's 2 AM and I'm just getting my night started...

[bballguy]

The strata is written by fucking beige geeks who don't even live in the neighborhood and who wouldn't even know how to roll a doob, seduce a 20 year old, or do a brake stand

Fuck I know for a fact that the property management company rep drives a fucking smart car and wears male leggings

Listen to yourself, you think you're above everyone else....easily the biggest douchebag on RS that I've seen thus far....

[meme405]

The strata is written by fucking beige geeks who don't even live in the neighborhood and who wouldn't even know how to roll a doob, seduce a 20 year old, or do a brake stand

Fuck I know for a fact that the property management company rep drives a fucking smart car and wears male leggings

You're clearly drunk (or worse), I suggest you sleep it off and re-visit this tomorrow.

[van_city23]

Thank you.

A lot of people complain about Brooklyn and are trying to get that club shut down. It's bullshit. The club was here before they moved in. Why move in knowing there's a nightclub and expecting the neighborhood to change to what YOU want?

I love the energy that all the drunks fighting pours into the neighborhood, it gets me psyched up. Fuck I wrote some of my best work after witnessing a brawl until like 5 AM a few months ago where Iranians had a 30 person slap fight. I had such an adenaline rush from it that I wrote like 10k words in 1 night.

I hope you didn't use that word in those 10k words...

[rriggi]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Did anyone else read this thread and just start laughing?

Be considerate is all I can say. One day you'll have a dick neighbour who will take further action against you and it wont be passive aggressive text messages. Ask me how I know...

[multicartual]

Listen to yourself, you think you're above everyone else....easily the biggest douchebag on RS that I've seen thus far....


Creative types are full of themselves, study confirms - The Body Odd (http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/07/21/7114042-creative-types-are-full-of-themselves-study-confirms)


Don't hate the player, hate the game

[SoNaRWaVe]

I could afford probably up to 4k a month for my business if I REALLY needed to rent something that expensive, but I think that our culture here in Vancouver is geared more towards being quiet and being boring.


lol, strata rules clearly doesn't dictate the culture here in vancouver. thats quite an extrapolation of some sort you got going here. its just past 11pm that you gotta be quiet.

as much as i hate strata rules, they are there for a reason. it makes everyone's living experience a better one. i mean sure, not everyone is in the majority, but thats how all the rules are based on. the majority.

[multicartual]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Did anyone else read this thread and just start laughing?

Be considerate is all I can say. One day you'll have a dick neighbour who will take further action against you and it wont be passive aggressive text messages. Ask me how I know...


Look at my Amazon author page, I'm 6'3 240 and I don't mind throwing down when I need to


Who wants to go through life with 0 scars?

[fliptuner]

I'm still curious as to why you gave her your number in the first place?

[Energy]

The strata is written by fucking beige geeks who don't even live in the neighborhood and who wouldn't even know how to roll a doob, seduce a 20 year old, or do a brake stand

Fuck I know for a fact that the property management company rep drives a fucking smart car and wears male leggings

Here we go with the my lifestyle is superior to everyone else's because I'm having so much fun doing drugs, selling porn, and being "artistic". Please grow up. And if you won't grow up, please try not to shit on others who are doing their own thing.

[multicartual]

lol, strata rules clearly doesn't dictate the culture here in vancouver. thats quite an extrapolation of some sort you got going here. its just past 11pm that you gotta be quiet.


Dude if I lived in Yaletown, the West End, or Coal Harbour I would be the quietest mofo'ing neighbor you ever had


I live on the border of cracktown. Last week I was driving my 5.0 E36 into my alley to hit my underground and there was a guy taking a shit while shooting up.


I applauded him for multitasking guilding a needle into his arm while leaning up against the building and dropping a log the size of my arm against the wall. That took skill

[meme405]

Look at my Amazon author page, I'm 6'3 240 and I don't mind throwing down when I need to


Who wants to go through life with 0 scars?

Feel free to post that up I would love to link one of your reviews straight to this thread...

[multicartual]

lol, strata rules clearly doesn't dictate the culture here in vancouver. thats quite an extrapolation of some sort you got going here. its just past 11pm that you gotta be quiet.


Dude if I lived in Yaletown, the West End, or Coal Harbour I would be the quietest mofo'ing neighbor you ever had


I live on the border of cracktown. Last week I was driving my 5.0 E36 into my alley to hit my underground and there was a guy taking a shit while shooting up.


I applauded him for multitasking guilding a needle into his arm while leaning up against the building and dropping a log the size of my arm against the wall. That took skill

[multicartual]

Feel free to post that up I would love to link one of your reviews straight to this thread...


Nobody likes a self-promoter, will PM

[320icar]

Careful guys, were dealing with a fucking ARTIST here!


What do i know. I'm just a worthless piece of shit. 9-5 drone
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[meme405]

Nobody likes a self-promoter, will PM

After all this, now you choose to be humble...? :pokerface:

[SoNaRWaVe]

Dude if I lived in Yaletown, the West End, or Coal Harbour I would be the quietest mofo'ing neighbor you ever had


I live on the border of cracktown. Last week I was driving my 5.0 E36 into my alley to hit my underground and there was a guy taking a shit while shooting up.


I applauded him for multitasking guilding a needle into his arm while leaning up against the building and dropping a log the size of my arm against the wall. That took skill

nah man, just cause you live there doesn't mean you can act differently than if you lived in yaletown, west end or coal harbour.

thats like saying if you were living in a war rampant zone, and killing is the norm there, does it mean you can go on a killing rampage there and its ok? law is law man.

[rriggi]

Look at my Amazon author page, I'm 6'3 240 and I don't mind throwing down when I need to


Who wants to go through life with 0 scars?

6'3 and 240 means nothing when private property gets damaged by a pissed off neighbour.

[bballguy]

Solid double-post Mr. Creative...maybe you should take that 10K/month and invest in a better internet connection...

[multicartual]

Careful guys, were dealing with a fucking ARTIST here!


What do i know. I'm just a worthless piece of shit. 9-5 drone
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As an artist I know I'm a fucking loser unless I have millions in the bank and tons of fans


I wish I were like Justin Bieber where the whole world can lick my nut sack because he has 100 mil in the bank and an ENDLESS SUPPLY of model pussy lined up for him to fuck

[multicartual]

nah man, just cause you live there doesn't mean you can act differently than if you lived in yaletown, west end or coal harbour.

thats like saying if you were living in a war rampant zone, and killing is the norm there, does it mean you can go on a killing rampage there and its ok? law is law man.


Autobahn... local German culture says it's OK to drive 300 kph an hour


Try that on Highway 1

[bballguy]

This dude is dumb as fuck.

[meme405]

As much fun as this has been, I have a 9-5 I have to get to in the morning.

[multicartual]

I'm still curious as to why you gave her your number in the first place?


I was courteous when I met her like 7 months and she had a loud house warming party that went until 3 AM... she's had a couple other loud parties until like 3 AM... I never complained. Anytime I have a party she texts at like 10:30 PM asking me to turn it down. What a bitch.

[fliptuner]

THE NUMBER!!!! WHY YOU GIVE HER THE NUMBER?!?!?!!?! :fulloffuck:

edit cause ninja'd: I don't even talk to new neighbors til I know they won't piss me off. I thought you just wanted to bag a fatty.

[320icar]

I work a 2-11 so i can stay up a bit longer! It's only march but is say this is a contender for best thread of 2014.
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[SoNaRWaVe]

invite her up next time, maybe she'll be cool beans with you from then on.

[multicartual]

invite her up next time, maybe she'll be cool beans with you from then on.


I tried, she has a very possessive boyfriend who gives me the creeps. He is the type of person with a noodle handshake and who won't look you in the eye.

[320icar]

I was courteous when I met her like 7 months and she had a loud house warming party that went until 3 AM... she's had a couple other loud parties until like 3 AM... I never complained. Anytime I have a party she texts at like 10:30 PM asking me to turn it down. What a bitch.

Maybe you should complain. Every time you hear her vacuum or turn on her bathroom fan or chop veggies for dinner. Text and complain! Then write 10k words in your diary about how it made you feel.

Blah blah teenage angst blah blah juxtaposition blah blah
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[CP.AR]

I don't know why but whenever I think of OP I think of this guy

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/og_loc.jpg

(For those who are confused, OG Loc from GTA: San Andreas)

[multicartual]

Maybe you should complain. Every time you hear her vacuum or turn on her bathroom fan or chop veggies for dinner. Text and complain! Then write 10k words in your diary about how it made you feel.

Blah blah teenage angst blah blah juxtaposition blah blah
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Don't you have a commute you have to be awake for?

[multicartual]

THE NUMBER!!!! WHY YOU GIVE HER THE NUMBER?!?!?!!?! :fulloffuck:

edit cause ninja'd: I don't even talk to new neighbors til I know they won't piss me off.



I try my best to be friendly man, in fact anyone who knows me knows I'm a jovial maddafakka who loves to see other people smile

[bballguy]

I try my best to be a POS man, in fact anyone who knows me knows I'm a big douchebag*

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Sure, but that's not how the world works.......majority of people do their shit during the day, and try to sleep at night....

so what if you lived in a community where the opposite was valued? would you feel discriminated against? where could you even go if everyone thought like that?

i know there are tons of you night owls on here. don't you guys feel that?
don't you feel you're kinda discriminated against?

when do us nightowls get to blast our music. or practice our instruments? or sing loudly? or lets take it a step further...

when do us night owls get to do our banking? visit the dentist/doctor?

why the fuck is the service industry open during work hours? shouldnt the service industry be open AFTER work hours? doesn't that make more sense?

in more open countries such as denmark they already have B-societies. B-schedules. highschools that start later (cuz really, what kid likes waking up so early, and how well do they REALLY function in the mornings? do you force kids to go to school early just cuz it's "THE WAY ITS BEEN" or cuz they learn better at those early hours?)... work schedules that arent as rigid (start later cuz really, most people dont function as well in the mornings), public services that are open later on certain days (cuz give me a break, even normal people have trouble making public service centers such as post offices and other government establishments).

people that think "9-5" is the "WAY". and people SHOULD wake up EARLY and sleep by midnight... give me a break. what is this, some kinda religion? you guys worship the sun or some shit?

you have to realise, there are many people, who live very different time schedules as you, and that for the longest time, they have just lived in quietness, and just accepted it and shut up about it cuz everyone tells them it's the "NORM".

just cuz you feel tired at night, doesn't mean others do.
there's always a flipside.

so who's right? who's wrong?

the majority can always oppress the minority. but you already make special exceptions to certain religions, disabilities and other minority issues. is this not the same?

If you feel there is a market for that feel free to start your own company and develop a property and then you can put together whatever strata rules you want. Until then you cannot use the excuse of "I want it to be like this, so I am going to ignore what the rules are and call those who abide by them bitches".

i feel there are not enough people/the city is not dense enough for this to happen here. Maybe somewhere in asia, or in a bigger city like NY. it probably is only feasible in the biggest and more dense cities on this planet.

i didn't say they're my bitches. I'm just saying if i can get away with it, i will. and if they don't call the cops cuz they're afraid of upsetting some balance or whatever... then I will continue to do it.

No one can truly stop anyone from anything, until they stop them physically.

nah man, just cause you live there doesn't mean you can act differently than if you lived in yaletown, west end or coal harbour.

thats like saying if you were living in a war rampant zone, and killing is the norm there, does it mean you can go on a killing rampage there and its ok? law is law man.

yeah it does. but it doesn't mean people will like it.

it just means, if you can get away with it there, then you will probably get away with doing it... because the law doesn't apply there (or less people care, or will try to uphold that value).

morales and ethics and values are subjective. there is no universal right or wrong.

even the golden rule of all religions can be warped.

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."

sure, they could think, I wouldn't wanna be disturbed, so i shall not disturb others.

but what about... they are disturbing me, but I won't stop them. so when I am disturbing them, they won't stop me.

I'm not saying blast music as loud as you want all the time. but there's another world hidden from early risers. and they don't seem to understand that their normality, imposes the same infringements as the night owls impose on them.

so what can be done?

let's get physical? lets get violent?
or let's compensate... maybe midnight isn't as late as you think it is.


and yes multicultural sounds like a douchebag right now, but what about all the other non douchebag versions of him that live the same schedules?

it doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth, the point is, there are a lot of people that live at night, or a lot later than you do. when do they get to walk around freely in their OWN apartments and do "normal" things at "THEIR" time?

never?

i can already hear it... "sleep earlier, wake up earlier"... what about the other way around? why don't you sleep later, and wake up later?

there's no right or wrong time to sleep. nor is there a right or wrong time to wake up.


what else... hmmm... yes. activities. what is there really to do at night? hang out at a club, or hang out at a coffee joint. that's about it.
nightowls arent given a lot of choices. even movie theatres close around 1045pm (last showing). a lot of times their only choice is to hang at home.

so what? "ok hang at home, just shut the fuck up and be invisible"

why is it okay to be loud and laugh and talk on your phone like you're alone in the hallways during the day? but not at night? there are people sleeping, or napping. arent you guys considerate of that?

you wouldn't honk your horn at night in a residential area right? why would you have more incentive to do it in the day? you assume no one will mind.

kinda get my drift?

if majority always wins, then i guess we should just get rid of all support for any minority right? I'm sure that'll go very well.


this goes out to all you mother fuckers viewing this thread right now. at fucking 240am (320icar, Acethriller, aznkev03, bayee, bballguy, Bouncing Bettys, cwis, eFx[A2C], Energy, Gh0stRider, Gunsmokez, jaguar604, jiffyfung, KrAyZiE TRD, MaaaadMan, meme405, miky, multicartual, nah, Noir, PDKGD3, RuzzFuzz, ss6o4, van_city23) how much of your current environmental conditions are adjusted to keeping quiet so "normal" people don't complain?

[Lomac]

I know how to calm multi down...

http://cdn.cutestpaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/l-Classic-corgi-pose.jpg

....aaaaaaand, end scene!

[multicartual]

Ulic... thanks bro

[MindBomber]

As a night owl, I gotta say, Ulic nailed it.

Jason, you're an interesting dude. PM me if you ever want to have a beer and talk about art.

[SpeedStars]

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1376/16/1376161153267.jpg
Art.









:troll:

[Xu.Vi]

Loudest thing I got going in my room is the mechanical keyboard lol. I enjoy being quiet and the silence at night time if that answers/contributes to anything haahahah.

[bballguy]

There's this thing called weekends....you wanna throw a party, or just simply be loud, that's probably the time...

[Chronix]

what are the noise bylaws in vancouver anyway?

[bballguy]

what are the noise bylaws in vancouver anyway?

http://former.vancouver.ca/bylaws/6555c.PDF

[CP.AR]

where did OP go? i thought OP wasn't a 9-5 kinda guy? sleeping for the commute?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

There's this thing called weekends....you wanna throw a party, or just simply be loud, that's probably the time...

yeah but then what about people that work on weekends? and get days off on weekdays?

what if youre entire group of people u know are all like that?

you're only considering yourself as the norm... which is not accurate.

yes, i agree, it is probably the best time. but what if that time is never available to you? you simply just never do it? that can't be the answer. that answer only satisfies weekday 9-5 people.

[fliptuner]

RS Insomnia Crew assemble!!!

[Lomac]

so what if you lived in a community where the opposite was valued? would you feel discriminated against? where could you even go if everyone thought like that?

i know there are tons of you night owls on here. don't you guys feel that?
don't you feel you're kinda discriminated against?

when do us nightowls get to blast our music. or practice our instruments? or sing loudly? or lets take it a step further...

when do us night owls get to do our banking? visit the dentist/doctor?

why the fuck is the service industry open during work hours? shouldnt the service industry be open AFTER work hours? doesn't that make more sense?

in more open countries such as denmark they already have B-societies. B-schedules. highschools that start later (cuz really, what kid likes waking up so early, and how well do they REALLY function in the mornings? do you force kids to go to school early just cuz it's "THE WAY ITS BEEN" or cuz they learn better at those early hours?)... work schedules that arent as rigid (start later cuz really, most people dont function as well in the mornings), public services that are open later on certain days (cuz give me a break, even normal people have trouble making public service centers such as post offices and other government establishments).

people that think "9-5" is the "WAY". and people SHOULD wake up EARLY and sleep by midnight... give me a break. what is this, some kinda religion? you guys worship the sun or some shit?

you have to realise, there are many people, who live very different time schedules as you, and that for the longest time, they have just lived in quietness, and just accepted it and shut up about it cuz everyone tells them it's the "NORM".

just cuz you feel tired at night, doesn't mean others do.
there's always a flipside.

so who's right? who's wrong?

the majority can always oppress the minority. but you already make special exceptions to certain religions, disabilities and other minority issues. is this not the same?



i feel there are not enough people/the city is not dense enough for this to happen here. Maybe somewhere in asia, or in a bigger city like NY. it probably is only feasible in the biggest and more dense cities on this planet.

i didn't say they're my bitches. I'm just saying if i can get away with it, i will. and if they don't call the cops cuz they're afraid of upsetting some balance or whatever... then I will continue to do it.

No one can truly stop anyone from anything, until they stop them physically.



yeah it does. but it doesn't mean people will like it.

it just means, if you can get away with it there, then you will probably get away with doing it... because the law doesn't apply there (or less people care, or will try to uphold that value).

morales and ethics and values are subjective. there is no universal right or wrong.

even the golden rule of all religions can be warped.

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."

sure, they could think, I wouldn't wanna be disturbed, so i shall not disturb others.

but what about... they are disturbing me, but I won't stop them. so when I am disturbing them, they won't stop me.

I'm not saying blast music as loud as you want all the time. but there's another world hidden from early risers. and they don't seem to understand that their normality, imposes the same infringements as the night owls impose on them.

so what can be done?

let's get physical? lets get violent?
or let's compensate... maybe midnight isn't as late as you think it is.


and yes multicultural sounds like a douchebag right now, but what about all the other non douchebag versions of him that live the same schedules?

it doesn't matter what comes out of his mouth, the point is, there are a lot of people that live at night, or a lot later than you do. when do they get to walk around freely in their OWN apartments and do "normal" things at "THEIR" time?

never?

i can already hear it... "sleep earlier, wake up earlier"... what about the other way around? why don't you sleep later, and wake up later?

there's no right or wrong time to sleep. nor is there a right or wrong time to wake up.


what else... hmmm... yes. activities. what is there really to do at night? hang out at a club, or hang out at a coffee joint. that's about it.
nightowls arent given a lot of choices. even movie theatres close around 1045pm (last showing). a lot of times their only choice is to hang at home.

so what? "ok hang at home, just shut the fuck up and be invisible"

why is it okay to be loud and laugh and talk on your phone like you're alone in the hallways during the day? but not at night? there are people sleeping, or napping. arent you guys considerate of that?

you wouldn't honk your horn at night in a residential area right? why would you have more incentive to do it in the day? you assume no one will mind.

kinda get my drift?

if majority always wins, then i guess we should just get rid of all support for any minority right? I'm sure that'll go very well.


this goes out to all you mother fuckers viewing this thread right now. at fucking 240am (320icar, Acethriller, aznkev03, bayee, bballguy, Bouncing Bettys, cwis, eFx[A2C], Energy, Gh0stRider, Gunsmokez, jaguar604, jiffyfung, KrAyZiE TRD, MaaaadMan, meme405, miky, multicartual, nah, Noir, PDKGD3, RuzzFuzz, ss6o4, van_city23) how much of your current environmental conditions are adjusted to keeping quiet so "normal" people don't complain?

I used to work night shit at a warehouse, and I also used to work the craziest hours while filming. As a result, I'd often find myself being awake during the night and sleeping in daylight. Even now I typically work 12/1pm - 10/11pm, so I'm still in the same sort of night owl routine. However, I also prefer not being stuck in an apartment, so the 22 acres I have to play around with at home also acts as a sound barrier for when I do decide to turn over an engine with open headers at 3am, or crank the volume up to 11 while watching a movie.

When I lived in a condo in Coquitlam, it did kinda suck living and working as a night owl. However, I made friends with my neighbouring units and we all came to an agreement that I wouldn't blast my music at 4am when I got home from work, and they wouldn't do the same at 1pm. It did kinda suck because we couldn't really enjoy things to their fullest during the weekend, but we agreed that the weekends were free-for-all's and we were all okay with that.

And to be honest, I actually like the fact that there are very few things open during the night. When I first moved out, it forced me into making lunches every day for work (used to just go to the pub's restaurant for lunch and dinner when in University) and it allowed me to save a ton of money that I would have otherwise spent going out to the pub or what have you with friends. Sure, it did still suck when you're young, but now I just do my shopping in the morning when the stores first open (genuinely the best time to do any shopping anyway) and I still have enough time to go home and go to bed. Or if I was truly concerned, I'd just wake up earlier in the day to do other things that may need doing. If I decide I'm going to live my life outside of the standard normal working hours, I don't expect other people to change their business hours to cater to my needs.

[Lomac]

yeah but then what about people that work on weekends? and get days off on weekdays?

what if youre entire group of people u know are all like that?

you're only considering yourself as the norm... which is not accurate.

yes, i agree, it is probably the best time. but what if that time is never available to you? you simply just never do it? that can't be the answer. that answer only satisfies weekday 9-5 people.

It is the "norm" because the majority of people work the typical 9-5 job (give or take a few hours, but the point still stands). The others are outliers and, yes, I consider myself to be one of them. But as I said in my last post, I don't expect businesses to cater to my decision to work the shift I do. Very few people are actually awake at 4 am that having a grocery store open then makes zero financial sense. Anyone remember the 24 hour grocery store that used to be in Middlegate Mall? Yeah... they stopped the 24 hour bit for a reason (this is long before Highgate was ever even being considered, so it may be before most of your time :p )

[Jmac]

Super jelly of OP

[Tim Budong]

Its Assholes like the OP that SHOULDN'T be living in Gastown...or in a highrise for that matter

then again... typical Vancouver

[haymura]

OP obviously got his head up his ass so no point trying to give him pointers or argue his already made up mind that he's the badass chico of gastown. Let him do what he thinks is right and when overall society catches up to him, he'd probably learn a thing or two. As the saying goes: "lessons are learned from mistakes"

[zilley]

If having fun in a downtown loft with a ton of hot chicks and making 10k a month while working a few hours a day while being free to pursue art is being childish... call me mother fucking beaver cleaver you 9-5 bitch

lol 10k and you need to rent?

you talk like you own the place or some shit.

[Mr.HappySilp]

My advice is go with the city by laws. if it states no loud noise from 11pm to 6am then any other time is fair game. Even if they complain there is nothing they can do.

[underscore]

so what if you lived in a community where the opposite was valued? would you feel discriminated against? where could you even go if everyone thought like that?

<snip>

if majority always wins, then i guess we should just get rid of all support for any minority right? I'm sure that'll go very well.

Oh great, another minority that wants shit catered to them. I'm all for equality and such, but I'm sick of people thinking exceptions need to be made for them because they're a special fucking snowflake. There's a careful balance that needs to be made between supporting minorities, and the majority ruling. I'm sorry but all this catering to night owls shit is way out of wack, we can't go making exceptions for every stupid idea people have.

The reason hardly anywhere is open 24 hours is because it isn't profitable. Have you even been to a Walmart that's open 24/7 at 3am? I have, and there was nobody there. Why the hell would any place waste money staying open at night in case a small minority of people want something? Try managing and apartment building catering to night owls only and see how well it goes, otherwise don't bitch if your neighbours tell you to shut the fuck up at 11PM.

[sonick]

sub'd

[DanHibiki]

My guess is OP was either a bully growing up or was picked on growing up, became a baller at a young age and decided to take revenge on the world.
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[GS8]

Why do Vancouver stereotypes have to remind me of their existence??

:fulloffuck:

[radioman]

$30,000 baller


Oh wait he makes $10,000 a month.... nvm

[320icar]

Oh great, another minority that wants shit catered to them. I'm all for equality and such, but I'm sick of people thinking exceptions need to be made for them because they're a special fucking snowflake. There's a careful balance that needs to be made between supporting minorities, and the majority ruling. I'm sorry but all this catering to night owls shit is way out of wack, we can't go making exceptions for every stupid idea people have.

The reason hardly anywhere is open 24 hours is because it isn't profitable. Have you even been to a Walmart that's open 24/7 at 3am? I have, and there was nobody there. Why the hell would any place waste money staying open at night in case a small minority of people want something? Try managing and apartment building catering to night owls only and see how well it goes, otherwise don't bitch if your neighbours tell you to shut the fuck up at 11PM.

Thank you. People think being a working class scumbag is a bad thing? They have no fucking clue how a society works. And for a few of you posting seem to have no idea why we get up so early for work? It dates back to the times we used to actually grow our own food and work the land with our hands. Same reason for daylight savings time.

But maybe sensative artists like you guys wouldn't get it.
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[european]

where is this music video and Amazon author page?

[underscore]

Thank you. People think being a working class scumbag is a bad thing? They have no fucking clue how a society works. And for a few of you posting seem to have no idea why we get up so early for work? It dates back to the times we used to actually grow our own food and work the land with our hands. Same reason for daylight savings time.

But maybe sensative artists like you guys wouldn't get it.
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Good point, I'd take going to bed at 12 and sleeping in til 7 to work a 9-5 over going to bed at dark and waking up with the sunrise.

[Gucci Mane]

I'm also a night owl, I work a 2-10pm mon-fri so I'm always up till about 3-4am. See there's this great invention that was made some time ago called the headphones. Speakers that sit on your head and are as loud and as quiet as YOU need. I sit up gaming all night with my headphones cranked up and its like I have this fucking sick ass sound system going...

As for the businesses operating at their set times? I fucking love my shift for this reason. I choose a couple of days in the week to get my errands out of the way. On those days I go to bed at about 130am and get up at 8am. I go to malls, with out any line ups. I go grocery shopping, with minimal line ups. I go to the bank and guess what? No line ups. As far as I'm concerned ulics post is no different from multicartuals.. Babies just crying and wanting their way.
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[stewie]

Nobody likes a self-promoter, will PM

"city of singles"?

Plus, if it is your book, I'm guessing the page on thedirty.com is of you?
http://thedirty.com/2013/02/city-of-singles/

[sonick]

Nobody likes a self-promoter, will PM

o ok

http://www.revscene.net/forums/691272-whatcha-guys-think-my-first-article.html

[Mancini]

Well this is ironic.

When I read your thread title I imagined the person you're describing yourself to be.
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[fliptuner]

When I read the title, I thought it would be about Metal Plates: The Sequel.

[Tim Budong]

still think OP is a joke..and not very smart

now that I think about it, 10k a month, living in gastown..if you are not owning, gtfo outta there

that is all
not very smart financially
just sayin'

[sonick]

still think OP is a joke..and not very smart

now that I think about it, 10k a month, living in gastown..if you are not owning, gtfo outta there

that is all
not very smart financially
just sayin'

Partying, drinking, and whoring (aka 'living the life') on a nightly basis gets expensive.

[ZN6]

http://www.goudhurst.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/golden_thread.jpg

I am not disappointed after reading from beginning to end.

[freakshow]

Can't believe this thread lasted so long… I would say you're feeding the troll, but that would imply he's smart enough to be trolling. So you're just feeding the idiot.

Just block him and move on, makes RS life much better: http://www.revscene.net/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=68868

[GLOW]

Renting sucks because I have to suck it up and be nice. I can never say what I really feel otherwise she'd just complain to the strata and my landlord would get hassled.


If I owned this place I would go off on her, laugh like Bieber, and just pay the fines!


Renting :failed:

for a second i thought i was in the real estate bubble thread :ilied:

[dared3vil0]

Fucking neighbor that moved in downstairs is a loser fat bitch who texts me with complaints over noise constantly. She works a shit job and constantly bitches whenever I'm having fun.

Tonight we filmed a music video here and immediately she started bitching and sending passive-aggressive texts followed up by shit talking me with stuff like "Get your shit together buddy." Hey, I have an idea you fucking cunt, how about you get some skills so you don't have to get up at 7 AM and work a shit job, bitch? This is Gastown, if you want it quiet move to Burnaby you stupid fucking cunt.


Renting sucks because I have to suck it up and be nice. I can never say what I really feel otherwise she'd just complain to the strata and my landlord would get hassled.


If I owned this place I would go off on her, laugh like Bieber, and just pay the fines!

Ooohhhh such accuracy... (see below)

http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r610/dared3vilo/ScreenShot2014-03-12at34109PM.png






...

[multicartual]

where did OP go? i thought OP wasn't a 9-5 kinda guy? sleeping for the commute?


Was watching "My Ghost Story" and working on my porn biz, just woke up!

[multicartual]

still think OP is a joke..and not very smart

now that I think about it, 10k a month, living in gastown..if you are not owning, gtfo outta there

that is all
not very smart financially
just sayin'



Why would anyone in the arts move to the suburbs? You can't possibly meet interesting people when you live in a basement suite at 64th and 212 ave.


Owning a place down here would require saving up a ton of money, and it is extremely difficult to save money when you're actually living life!

[bballguy]

Owning a place down here would require saving up a ton of money, and it is extremely difficult to save money when you're a big douchebag*

[hud 91gt]

Owning a place down here would require saving up a ton of money, and it is extremely difficult to save money when you're actually living life!

I really hope to god for your own good your trolling during your writers block. Jesus christ.

[dared3vil0]

City of Singles" is the self-published debut from Jason Bryan, with whom several people on Reddit have had rather unpleasant run-ins during his efforts to drum up press for his book on that site. I disagreed with his hyperaggressive marketing tactics and found him pretty abrasive

(Amazon review) :lawl: :denied:


Why would anyone in the arts move to the suburbs? You can't possibly meet interesting people when you live in a basement suite at 64th and 212 ave.


Owning a place down here would require saving up a ton of money, and it is extremely difficult to save money when you're actually living life!

Translation: You're blowing dat 10k/month on booze and drugs so you can't afford to buy a place "down there". :derp:

[multicartual]

I really hope to god for your own good your trolling during your writers block. Jesus christ.


I don't know what kind of lives you regulars have that actually allow you to save up and purchase a 600k loft, but I'm assuming it is pretty boring

[underscore]

I don't know what kind of lives you regulars have that actually allow you to save up and purchase a 600k loft, but I'm assuming it is pretty boring

If you make the $10k a month you say you do, you should be able to save up and buy a $600k loft no problem unless you're a complete idiot. Unfortunately for you, you're a complete idiot.

[JD¹³]

*
Owning a place down here would require saving up a ton of money, and it is extremely difficult to save money when you're a big douchebag
http://i.imgur.com/9Pulu4P.jpg

[multicartual]

Translation: You're blowing dat 10k/month on booze and drugs so you can't afford to buy a place "down there". :derp:



There are lots of expenses when you live spontaneously


I consider what I do urban lifestyle exploration, and you can't do jack shit without spending money!!!


A colourful life takes a LOT of green

[bobbinka]

http://i.imgur.com/zcVzTWh.jpeg

[bballguy]

That's a duck....

[DanHibiki]

Quack quack
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[nabs]

This thread actually got me thinking. I was leaning towards buying an apartment, but I really love my home theatre system, and I never took this into consideration in the decision making process. It's the one entertainment thing I could not do without and compromise on.

Time to start looking for a house I guess.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

This thread actually got me thinking. I was leaning towards buying an apartment, but I really love my home theatre system, and I never took this into consideration in the decision making process. It's the one entertainment thing I could not do without and compromise on.

Time to start looking for a house I guess.

make sure the walls and floor are extra thick.

or save up for a two floor penthouse and put the sound system on the second floor. that's what i'm gonna do.

although i'll never be able to have two 19 inch subs hooked up. but that's okay. i'll probably do it anyway, what the fuck are they gonna do, lol.

[underscore]

This thread actually got me thinking. I was leaning towards buying an apartment, but I really love my home theatre system, and I never took this into consideration in the decision making process. It's the one entertainment thing I could not do without and compromise on.

Time to start looking for a house I guess.

Be careful looking at houses too, a friend of mine has a massive sub in his basement against the wall nearest his neighbours house, the houses are fairly spread out but when he has the system really going (movies, gaming nights) the neighbours can hear/feel the vibration.

[multicartual]

Living the dream!!! :toot:

[maksimizer]

One day when I have the ability to fail you.......

[CP.AR]

Living the dream!!! :toot:

me too.
I get paid quite a bit, work 30 hrs or so a month.

it's true. :toot:

[jasonturbo]

Lot's of haters in this thread, I would quit my job tomorrow and bang sloots all days if my penis wasn't so tiny. Instead I get to work a super lame 8-5 job, yay me.

And on another note, it's sad to see someone failed so much who has contributed so much to society. No I don't mean his book, I mean the porn he has made, if it wasn't for people like OP, I wouldn't even own a computer.

I <3 porn, so by default, I <3 OP. Regardless of his imperfections, true love is unconditional.

[Zoidberg]

Double Post

[Zoidberg]

Fucking neighbor that moved in downstairs is a loser fat bitch


This your neighbour OP?


http://s.ngm.com/2007/12/bizarre-dinosaurs/img/dinosaurs_feature.jpg

:troll:

[DanHibiki]

Links to porn clips pls
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[Zoidberg]

http://oi60.tinypic.com/r09f90.jpg


OP has a menstruation fetish:whistle:

[vafanculo]

I wouldn't hate op. Deep down if I wasn't doing the wife and kid thing I'd be like that. But I'm happy doing it, he's happier doing his. Can't hate on that.

People take things too serious and need to lighten up IMO. Just need a I just wanna bang on the drums all day mentality
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[Energy]

Its totally fine for the OP to do whatever he wants. Its not ok for him to shit on others and act all superior because he thinks everyone else is a corporate slave or something like that.

There's nothing wrong with being "artistic" just like there isn't anything wrong with wanting a career and family.

[DanHibiki]

I wouldn't hate op. Deep down if I wasn't doing the wife and kid thing I'd be like that. But I'm happy doing it, he's happier doing his. Can't hate on that.

People take things too serious and need to lighten up IMO. Just need a I just wanna bang on the drums all day mentality
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ain't his lifestyle we hatin' on. it's his douchebaggery and KanyeWest-itis.

[meme405]

LOL

OP can be as "artsy" as he likes, but the fact is that it sounds like hes not particularly good at it.

Top reviews for City of Singles:

Wow. Not in a good way.

^Gave the book 1 star

Another Review gave the book 1 Star and said:

Only Reason I gave 1 star was because I couldn't give 0.

One and only review of his article:

You are a terrible writer. Do us all a favour and stop.

So maybe OP should think about knocking off the artistic asshole life, and start looking for a real way to make a living. Can't go on being a douchebag for the rest of your life.

[GS8]

A colourful life takes a LOT of green

icwutudidthar

Very punny

[FerrariEnzo]

so OP is complaining about someone whos complaining about you, therefore there are complaints about all this complaining. :troll:

[multicartual]

Its totally fine for the OP to do whatever he wants. Its not ok for him to shit on others and act all superior because he thinks everyone else is a corporate slave or something like that.

There's nothing wrong with being "artistic" just like there isn't anything wrong with wanting a career and family.


I'd say what I'm working on is post-postmodernism


Not everything I say I mean, good art doesn't provide answers it just raises questions


Through the alter-ego you can question if you want one or the other, a career and family or a party lifestyle, can you do both? Certainly once you have a family if you then believe you can still party you'll hurt a lot of people.


Maybe thinking I'm an idiot and an asshole is a good thing, as it will guide others towards a more balanced lifestyle if they see them becoming someone like me in the mirror

[multicartual]

So maybe OP should think about knocking off the artistic asshole life, and start looking for a real way to make a living. Can't go on being a douchebag for the rest of your life.


You missed the 4 stars? Amazon.ca has 2 5 stars


I'm banned on GoodReads haha!!!


I sell porn as my main job, it makes great cash but it is absolutely NOT fulfilling. It is complete manipulation and I hope to get out of the business as soon as possible.


Art isn't a job, it is a way of life, why else would people be willing to starve for it?


Same as being someone who is willing to work their ass off to upgrade their car to the perfect ride, it is a form of self-expression that provides huge returns of happiness even if others cannot understand why

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol i can agree with multicartual in one aspect....

for those that have to work 9-5, and/or have to choose career, wife/kids, or party, freedom/art etc.....

you could have all of those, or none of them, or any combination, if you had more money.

you are only forced to choose 1-2 of them because you're too fucking poor. end of story.


his douchebaggery is another issue. you can bash him and hate on him, but you can't hate on his ideologies because of his personality. he's still right at the end of the day. MOST people have to wake their ass up and drag their ass to work in the morning along with everyone else on the road, cuz they have no fucking choice. they're too poor to choose. those who say they wouldn't have it any other way, don't know any other way. they cant even begin to imagine. their current life, is the best they've had. the concept of better doesn't exist.

[multicartual]

you are only forced to choose 1-2 of them because you're too fucking poor. end of story.



P Diddy has like 10 kids or something but I bet that guy parties and bangs hotties allllllll day long hehe

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

yeah well no shit he has a shit load of money.

there's one thing you said a while back i will never forget.

something like:

"we're all creative wizards, and money is our mana."

there can be nothing more true than that in the modern world.

[DanHibiki]

You missed the 4 stars? Amazon.ca has 2 5 stars


I'm banned on GoodReads haha!!!


I sell porn as my main job, it makes great cash but it is absolutely NOT fulfilling. It is complete manipulation and I hope to get out of the business as soon as possible.


Art isn't a job, it is a way of life, why else would people be willing to starve for it?


Same as being someone who is willing to work their ass off to upgrade their car to the perfect ride, it is a form of self-expression that provides huge returns of happiness even if others cannot understand why

Affiliate marketing?
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[radioman]

You suckers working 9-5 :fuckthatshit:

8-4 is where its at. :fuckyea:

[bballguy]

for those that have to work 9-5, and/or have to choose career, wife/kids, or party, freedom/art etc.....

you could have all of those, or none of them, or any combination, if you had more money.

you are only forced to choose 1-2 of them because you're too fucking poor. end of story..

This doesn't even make sense.....so if I had more money, I could have all of them? and if I had more money, I could have none of them? and if I had more money, I could have any combination of them? WTF are you saying....and if you're poor, you are forced to choose 1-2 (which is a combination btw) of them? Sensemaker3000.


Anyway, there's a shit ton of people that have money and choose not to live an ignorant, abnoxious, inconsiderate lifestyle that becomes a nuisance to other people.....If you have so much money, go buy a fucking isolated property so you can do whatever the fuck you want, but do know that there ARE lots of people that DO have a ton of money and choose not to live a lifestyle as such, that would become a burden on the rest of society...

[underscore]

This doesn't even make sense.....so if I had more money, I could have all of them? and if I had more money, I could have none of them? and if I had more money, I could have any combination of them? WTF are you saying....and if you're poor, you are forced to choose 1-2 (which is a combination btw) of them? Sensemaker3000.

It's Ulic, he thinks he's some kind of enlightened genius, but mostly he's just babbling nonsense (like most artists oddly enough).

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

This doesn't even make sense.....so if I had more money, I could have all of them? and if I had more money, I could have none of them? and if I had more money, I could have any combination of them? WTF are you saying....and if you're poor, you are forced to choose 1-2 (which is a combination btw) of them? Sensemaker3000.


Anyway, there's a shit ton of people that have money and choose not to live an ignorant, abnoxious, inconsiderate lifestyle that becomes a nuisance to other people.....If you have so much money, go buy a fucking isolated property so you can do whatever the fuck you want, but do know that there ARE lots of people that DO have a ton of money and choose not to live a lifestyle as such, that would become a burden on the rest of society...

if you had money you would have the CHOICE. I think that part flew over your head completely.

If you had money you could have CHOICE to have all of them or CHOOSE to have none of them. you could CHOOSE to do whatever the fuck you wanted. Any combination.

where as you, DONT HAVE A CHOICE. you have lesser options. you choose 1 or 2 of them but you will be greatly sacrificing some other aspect of your life because of those choices.

yeah there are a shit load of people that have money and CHOOSE NOT TO do those things jason does. THEY CHOOSE CUZ THEY FUCKING HAVE MONEY AND HAVE A CHOICE. jesus christ.

they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT. they can choose to be a burden, or choose not to be a burden. they can choose to be one this year, and one the next year.

they can choose to have family and kids, then ditch them when hes bored. or he can choose to give money to the poor, or spend it on himself. he can do ALL of those. he can be good and bad.

you have no choice. you're stuck with what you have.

It's Ulic, he thinks he's some kind of enlightened genius, but mostly he's just babbling nonsense (like most artists oddly enough).

lol, you're just too stupid to understand perspectives other than your own dude.

you're a total left brain dominant individual with no aspects of any right brain input. you've been hammered by society to be what society needs. more pillars to support the elite.

you just bashed all "artists". you clearly do not know the importance of art. and how "art" is higher than all other forms of life that we know of.

you know the pyramid of complexity right? art is at the top. it doesnt exist in the animal kingdom for a reason.

all the shit you love doing, started as a philosophy first, then was produced into an art. and then into something real that you could touch. like your fucking celicas.

you understand that primates and other animals are capable of using tools right? that if you found a tool with a fossilized body of a human ancestor it wasn't a big deal.
but when you find cave drawings it shows a great leap forward in evolution.

obviously one that was not passed onto you.

i don't blame you though. one can only see below their level.
an intellectual man makes best use of what skills he has, and masters his level and below.
a wise man knows when someone greater is in their presence and listens.
a stupid man thinks he's at the top.

yeah i consider myself an artist, but that's what i do for my spare time. it's something i do when i'm bored and have nothing else to do.

Whatever you do, i can do better. or an extension of myself and what my money can pay for can do better.

what can you do buddy?
go back to hammering some shit, lifts some weights, or play hockey or whatever it is you do.

yes, i am a genius, when compared to you.
but, there are many more genius's that are far more intellectual and wiser than i am. but i'm sure you'll just call them idiots too, because you don't understand what the fuck they're saying.

wanna know something more?
CiC is more intellectual than you are. his theories maybe wrong or whack. but it's not about the actual theory. it's about his ability to produce those patterns of thoughts. which obviously you lack.

sorry to bring you into this CiC, but you're a prime example that everyone can relate to.

CiC is a bright individual that lacks the proper tools and path to have a true following and success in his endeavors... an extreme example of a bright individual hindered by lack of resources. if he had access to real raw information, he'd be light years ahead of most people.

you know what you are? you're a rock. not even the kind that has some attribute that makes it desirable. just the kind that you toss aside because it's in your way.

having an open mind, is success and longevity. otherwise you're just a tool to be used for current needs. when there's no need for you, and you're not able to change your values and views, you'll just be a useless bag of meat tossed aside for the tax payers to take care of.

even if i take the form of most people's perspectives, all they care about is the production or consumption of material goods. DOING SHIT, MAKING SHIT, DONT WASTE TIME, ITS GOOD RIGHT?
well, in my eyes, even though your values don't line up with jasons, he's done a lot more of what you guys value than you have. he's making music videos, he's making porn for you guys to jerk off to, he's written a book, and he is almost in the top 1% in making money if his 10k a month is true (for those who can't relate money to good, how about relating that to him paying more taxes than you earn, those taxes help subsidize all the shit you can't actually afford. He literally is one of the many hands above you, that feed you).

take away all the bells and whistles that define his values and other attributes, you still have a person that is better than you. and that's evaluating him using societies most mundane, boring, linear, and systematic values.

you can't judge someone by what they look like, or what they do, or how they act. you can only judge them by how they take in and process information. beyond that, it's just semantics and whatever other shallow forms of definition.

i don't need to say any more dude.

[underscore]

Blah blah blah, more random stuff slapped together. If you can't determine that "most" and "all" aren't the same thing, then you're about as full of shit as I think you are. I give no fucks about who CiC is, and I am deeply offended that you don't consider my Jeep to be art. She is a thing of beauty, a masterpiece in the mediums of rust, mud, and faded plastic.

[bballguy]

Ah yes, classic case of the tl;dr

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

you can only judge them by how they take in and process information. beyond that, it's just semantics and whatever other shallow forms of definition.

Blah blah blah, more random stuff slapped together.

Ah yes, classic case of the tl;too dumb to read


very good rebuttal guys. I think you should be awarded a yellow star for effort.

surely you have the mental capacity to come up with something better.

or are you resorting to what your 1st grade teacher taught you to do? ignore the bully and they'll go away. lol.

ignoring your problems is what little kids are taught cuz they don't have the capacity to deal with their problems.

ignoring anything, is the lowest thing a human do. it just shows they're too lazy to even put any effort into dealing with it. they're too stupid to outsmart and deal with it.

even I put effort into replying to an ant such as yourself.

[underscore]

Oh right of course, I forgot that you're one of those delusional people that no answer is good enough for. Tell me, if you're so brilliant, why can't you figure out that the reason no place is open late is because it isn't profitable, due to the lack of people who would doing anything that late?

Here's another reason to ignore things - they aren't worth your time. Haven't you ever ignored something because you had something better to do?

[bballguy]

very good rebuttal guys. I think you should be awarded a yellow star for effort.

surely you have the mental capacity to come up with something better.

or are you resorting to what your 1st grade teacher taught you to do? ignore the bully and they'll go away. lol.

ignoring your problems is what little kids are taught cuz they don't have the capacity to deal with their problems.

ignoring anything, is the lowest thing a human do. it just shows they're too lazy to even put any effort into dealing with it. they're too stupid to outsmart and deal with it.

even I put effort into replying to an ant such as yourself.

I ignored you because I don't care to read your fucking Commonwealth Essay...quality over quantity; take the garbage out of your post, and get straight to the point...

Here, let me help you:

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[pastarocket]

Six pages of posted related to a guy complaining about a woman living on the floor under his place? Unbelievable.

OP, have you thought about using a music studio to make those videos?

I know a guy who bought his own studio. Perhaps he can help you out.

[Phozy]

I don't know why you two are bashing on Ulic.

He's offering a point of view that doesn't seem to click with you, so you just bash on him instead of contributing.

He's even able to connect the idea of you two ignoring problems to our education systems' flaws.

Instead of spilling derogatory comments how about argue with him intelligently instead of being arrogant/ignorant assholes.
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[bballguy]

I don't know why you two are bashing on Ulic.

He's offering a point of view that doesn't seem to click with you, so you just bash on him instead of contributing.

Instead of spilling derogatory comments how about argue with him intelligently instead of being arrogant/ignorant assholes.
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I did offer an intelligent response....Then he wrote me a 1000-word essay....you think I care that much?

[Phozy]

We are discussing this, are we not? Just because someone puts a little more thought and effort into something it means he cares too much?

Better than not caring about anything, being apathetic and sipping on coolaid
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[bballguy]

We are discussing this, are we not? Just because someone puts a little more thought and effort into something it means he cares too much?

Better than not caring about anything and being apathetic and sipping on coolaid
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lol writing a thousand word essay on a revscene thread that started with an original post that should have started with "Dear Diary?" C'mon man....honestly.....come on...forget about writing it, I don't even care to READ it....Besides, like I said, there's probably 2 useful sentences in there and the rest is, as Underscore would put it, "Blah blah blah, more random stuff slapped together.".....Sounds about right for a guy who thinks a new sentence is a good enough reason to start a new paragraph.

[JD¹³]

He's offering a point of view that doesn't seem to click with you, so you just bash on him instead of contributing.

He's even able to connect the idea of you two ignoring problems to our education systems' flaws.

Instead of spilling derogatory comments how about argue with him intelligently instead of being arrogant/ignorant assholes.
It's because neither Jason nor Ulic have accomplished anything of true significance in their lives yet preach like they know and have done it all. They know nothing, which is why they default to money being the only thing of value and singular measure of quality of life. I'll give credit to Jason for at least being himself and 'trying' to do his own thing even though he's a 14yr old in a 30-something year old body. But the credibility of his opinion on making good life decisions is exactly zero. Ulic can't even type cohesive sentences or paragraphs to articulate his scrambled point of view. The irony of him discussing problems with our education system is RICH. And then to call other people 'ants'? Just retarded.

But to summarize this whole thread....

http://i.imgur.com/00XXOIE.gif

[underscore]

I don't know why you two are bashing on Ulic.

He's offering a point of view that doesn't seem to click with you, so you just bash on him instead of contributing.

He's even able to connect the idea of you two ignoring problems to our education systems' flaws.

Instead of spilling derogatory comments how about argue with him intelligently instead of being arrogant/ignorant assholes.
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I post one sentence and get a screen full of garbage back. He never posts a short, clear answer to anything, because then he wouldn't be able to cleverly disguise his arrogance and ignorance in his jumbled ramblings. Seriously look at each sentence he posted, most of which have very little, if any, link to each other. He floats around with these delusions of grandeur, believing that even though he lands into minority groups that everyone should join his poorly constructed mindset because his minority is secretly a majority. That's made easier for him by his lack of a grip on reality, allowing him to believe he knows everything and that there is no possible way he could be incorrect and that by reading a 4 word post on the internet that he knows more about someone than an experienced shrink could ever get out of them.

Also his avatar creeps me out.

[multicartual]

Six pages of posted related to a guy complaining about a woman living on the floor under his place? Unbelievable.

OP, have you thought about using a music studio to make those videos?

I know a guy who bought his own studio. Perhaps he can help you out.


This is zoned live/work


I am living here and working as an artist. The multicoloured hallway floor is more unique than most people's entire buildings and whispers of old Gastown still eminate from the original brick and wood. My door got broken so I had the numbers re-painted on it with a faint scene of Water street and Gassy Jack airbrushed within the numbers. This place is like a womb for creativity surrounded by insanity and addiction raging on the streets below, a frothing cauldron of madness just begging you to self-express!


Fuck I used to live in Yaletown and that place was more beige than a substitute teacher

[multicartual]

I did offer an intelligent response....Then he wrote me a 1000-word essay....you think I care that much?


Well, you have been replying to this thread several times, so yes, you obviously do care. :hotbaby:

[Alby]

so, have you resolved your differences with this said loser fat bitch?

[multicartual]

so, have you resolved your differences with this said loser fat bitch?

I cancelled my Saint Paddy's weekend keg party because I KNOW she'll immediately complain to the strata. Going to work on getting the 1st draft of my 2nd novel done this weekend instead.

[bballguy]

Well, you have been replying to this thread several times, so yes, you obviously do care. :hotbaby:

Did I say I don't care? English comprehension at it's finest... :hotbaby:

I cancelled my Saint Paddy's weekend keg party because I KNOW she'll immediately complain to the strata. Going to work on getting the 1st draft of my 2nd novel done this weekend instead.


hmm...looks like money DOESN'T give you the CHOICE to do whatever the fuck you want...eh Ulic?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

It's because neither Jason nor Ulic have accomplished anything of true significance in their lives yet preach like they know and have done it all. They know nothing, which is why they default to money being the only thing of value and singular measure of quality of life. I'll give credit to Jason for at least being himself and 'trying' to do his own thing even though he's a 14yr old in a 30-something year old body. But the credibility of his opinion on making good life decisions is exactly zero. Ulic can't even type cohesive sentences or paragraphs to articulate his scrambled point of view. The irony of him discussing problems with our education system is RICH. And then to call other people 'ants'? Just retarded.

But to summarize this whole thread....

http://i.imgur.com/00XXOIE.gif


you are the apex of irony.

you have a huge ego and always call yourself accomplished because you fly jets around that are designed to drop bombs on people and kill them. you do realise that is your purpose right?

you think all your job is, is to fly practice missions and take selfies in the air?

you call yourself accomplished because you've been trained to be a war machine.

you pride yourself because you fly around doing things that.... wait... wait... where did your training and jet come from?

who funded you? where did those MILLIONS of dollars come from?

you're trained to drop bombs and flex your muscles with power. the only power you know is of the physical kind. I'm not bashing that kind of power, because it's strong... but you're so short sighted. That power is nothing compared to the power of money.

what do u think dictates where you fly and what missions you do? you think we invaded the middle east based on some value system? or maybe perhaps... hmmm.. they're a threat to our economic stability... which... kinda means MONEY.

your kind of power is bought with money you know that? you're just an extension. a fucking tool. understand? you can take pride in being that tool, i don't care, but don't step on the toes that feed you.

Money funds the military. funds your whole world. if you think i'm wrong, next time go fight a war with just your pride and ego. see how well that goes.
all you are, is an extension of money. without money, your little jet wouldn't exist. your bombs wouldn't exist. your whole career wouldn't exist.

the USA has the largest and greatest military in the world... you think that just came outta fucking thin air? they also spend the MOST money by FAR on their military. oh wait... my intuition is TINGLING... i SENSE A HEAVY CORRELATION BETWEEN YOUR JOB AND MONEY. shittt... I THINK MONEY TOTALLY FUNDS YOUR JOB!!!

*throw's a stack of dollar bills at you* go buy some fuel for your jet. You'll need it to fly back to wherever you came from.

or are you just gonna punch me in the face?

which is it?


or you can go hire some people to... oh wait, you don't know how to use money.

those who have no need for money, are either incapable of utilizing that tool, or have given it up for religious/spiritual reasons. otherwise, they're just extensions of money, they just don't know it.

may i remind you, you live in a fucking western capitalistic society. Everything is run on fuel. and our society's fuel is money. don't kid yourself. we are the PINNACLE of economics and money.


you guys still don't get it. still calling him making stupid decisions... do you not realise, if he wishes, he could drop everything he does and do whatever else he chooses to do? because like i said, he has a CHOICE. he has the MONEY to change his mind and drop whatever he's doing and do something else. DO YOU? no.

what's more stupid? having no choice, or having a choice? you tell me.

i'll give you a hint. it's the one that involves having less money.

options are always good. and i don't know anything in our society that gives you more options than money.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Did I say I don't care? English comprehension at it's finest... :hotbaby:

you don't have to say you care. the fact that you haven't fucked off says you care. there's something else besides english comprehension. it's called I see you are still here replying.

if you don't care, i believe the exit is at the top right, that little X. if you're using a mac, it's the top left.


hmm...looks like money DOESN'T give you the CHOICE to do whatever the fuck you want...eh Ulic?

yeah only if you're an idiot. he can go rent another place to throw the party. stupid.
you truly don't know how to use money even at the most basic level.

I guess there's no argument here. some truly don't have a use for money.

a hammer is useless to a monkey if he doesn't know how to use it.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I did offer an intelligent response....Then he wrote me a 1000-word essay....you think I care that much?

lol writing a thousand word essay on a revscene thread that started with an original post that should have started with "Dear Diary?".....Sounds about right for a guy who thinks a new sentence is a good enough reason to start a new paragraph.

You know typing 1000 words isn't that hard. it's about as hard as speaking 1000 words.

You know how to speak right?

I could be simultaneously arguing against like 10 of you at the same time.

Tell me, if you're so brilliant, why can't you figure out that the reason no place is open late is because it isn't profitable, due to the lack of people who would doing anything that late?

Here's another reason to ignore things - they aren't worth your time. Haven't you ever ignored something because you had something better to do?

it isn't about profits dumbass. why do you think more liberal places in the world offer these services? you think ESSENTIAL services opening later to cater to civilians is about profits?

Have you never travelled outside vancouver?

I already stated vancouver is not DENSE enough to support businesses late at night. but essential services should be open later .. what.. once a week? once a month? cuz you know, there are people that work night shifts that also need to see the doctor, or go to the dentist, or do banking, or you know, mail packages out.

Don't tell me you've never had to leave work early to see a doctor, or do some banking or something fucking lame like that.

and no, i don't ignore things because I have "something better to do". not when it's calling out to ME PERSONALLY. and especially not when it's something like forum where i can RETURN and REPLY LATER. christ.

if you truly have something better to do, why don't you go do it? why don't u go lift a weight, or watch some grown men chase a ball around. why are you still here replying?

leave if you don't care.

it doesn't take a smart person to know why you're still here. you don't have something better to do. especially now that you've just admitted that you would go do something better if you had the chance.

stop owning yourself.

[bballguy]

you don't have to say you care. the fact that you haven't fucked off says you care. there's something else besides english comprehension. it's called I see you are still here replying.

if you don't care, i believe the exit is at the top right, that little X. if you're using a mac, it's the top left.


Again, reading comprehension at its finest.....I'm saying I DO care...I just don't care enough to read your essays...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Ah yes, classic case of the tl;dr

I ignored you because I don't care

you think I care that much?

:hotbaby:

you know, right now you're like a guy who's in a theatre, bashing the movie, saying he doesn't care enough to watch the movie, yet he doesn't leave. you know, it doesn't matter what you think or what you tried to say. you look stupid to everyone else. pretty much, only you think you're not stupid.

[CP.AR]

when is this getting moved to FC

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

when we start using swear words every other word and insulting each other's moms.

[Alby]

lets get started :Popcorn

[DanHibiki]

James Franco art speech from This Is The End - YouTube
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[MindBomber]

:nicethread:

[Rainei]

what's more stupid? having no choice, or having a choice? you tell me.

i'll give you a hint. it's the one that involves having less money.

.

Ya geez people. Stop being poor, cause that means you're stupid. Why don't you choose to have money so you can live your life with more choices!

Get on their level gaiz

[Lowered_Klass]

After reading through (mostly) this thread, I think this sums it up nicely here:

Anchorman - Office Scene - YouTube

[CP.AR]

FUCK, YOUR FUCKING MOM'S DIU PUSSY STANKS LIKE DIU LUN SHIT


FC NOW

[320icar]

This thread if full of beta phaggot bitches
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[fliptuner]

FUCK, YOUR FUCKING MOM'S DIU PUSSY STANKS LIKE DIU LUN SHIT


FC NOW

You forgot something...

http://i.imgur.com/KZua4YS.jpg

[meme405]

You suckers working 9-5 :fuckthatshit:

8-4 is where its at. :fuckyea:

LOL!

I call my job a 9-5 but its actually a 7-3 (and then I spend another 2 or 3 hours catching up after 3 because people will actually leave me alone then).

Ulic's posts are non-sense, until you learn how to formulate sentences into full cohesive paragraphs and thoughts most people are just going to skim over your posts. Yes it is true we do not want to see one post with no separated paragraphs, but starting a new line for every single thought is just as frustrating.

I have to come back to this for a second and actually type out what I wanted to say about 4 pages back when people were discussing 9-5 sheep and people who slave away for money and all that. Guess what, people aren't joking around when they say "money makes the world go round". You will never get away from chasing money at least to a small degree, unless you want to be a homeless beggar and a burden on society. The goal is to find a balance between making a living and living your life, and do not get me wrong they are two different things. The truth is though they do not have to be at polar ends of the spectrum. They can be very close to one and the same thing, no it is true they will never be the EXACT same thing, but they can get close enough that for short periods they are indistinguishable.

I wake up at 5:30 every morning, and when I am on site that may even be 4:30AM. Yeah I may complain once in awhile cause that is quite early, but I genuinely love my job, I love going to work every day, I love the people I work with, I love my day-to-day tasks, I love people coming to me and seeking my help, I love problem solving, etc. For this point in my life (No kids, no wife, no commitments) all I want to do is work, and gain experience so that I can continue to achieve greater things. I do this so I can one day become the most successful me possible, and success is a relative term, it means different things for everyone. For me it means knowledge, wealth, and power.

My point in all this, is that everything is dependent on the individual, while you (ulic & Multicartual) may be content chasing your artistic goals, and partying, and living that high risk lifestyle of chasing the quick buck (number 1 novel, hit song, etc). Others CHOOSE and may actually LOVE to do the 9-5 thing and have a standard life.

Also it is worth pointing out that the number of my types that exist out number the of your type by an large quantity. So you better get used to doing shit on our schedule, because the world is not going to bend over backwards to accommodate for the every individual who wants to be just a little different than the last idiot.

You inferred in your post above that outside Vancouver (since apparently Vancouver is not Dense enough, LOLWUT) that there are doctors open later than those that work here. Post seen here:


Don't tell me you've never had to leave work early to see a doctor, or do some banking or something fucking lame like that.


I can link you to 10 GP's who are open till 9PM and I can link you to any number of clinics that are open 24 hours, and if all else fails the emergency room is open 24/7/365. Feel free to link to another city that has GP's that are open at 3AM or otherwise later than those in Vancouver. Same goes for dentists, in fact my particular dentist specifically has 2 days per week that her office opens a little later and doesn't close till 8PM.

So "ESSENTIAL" services are open late enough, or early enough that if you managed to drag your drunk/drugged ass out of bed you can manage to accomplish something useful in your lifetime. But I'm sorry to burst your bubble but EB Games is never going to run 24/7, because its NOT PROFITABLE.

You claim you can "argue with 10 of us at the same time", when really you are just talking yourself in circles. Your worse than that homeless guy I see walking around DT every evening arguing with himself.

[underscore]

I don't have hours as I get to work whenever the hell I want to, but I will generally answer my work phone if it's during our normal "business" hours.

it isn't about profits dumbass. why do you think more liberal places in the world offer these services? you think ESSENTIAL services opening later to cater to civilians is about profits?

Have you never travelled outside vancouver?

I already stated vancouver is not DENSE enough to support businesses late at night. but essential services should be open later .. what.. once a week? once a month? cuz you know, there are people that work night shifts that also need to see the doctor, or go to the dentist, or do banking, or you know, mail packages out.

Don't tell me you've never had to leave work early to see a doctor, or do some banking or something fucking lame like that.

Oh, so now it's just essential services (ie NOT what you were talking about before, you were referring to shit being open at 3am) but whatever, your argument sucks anyways. For starters, banks, dentists, etc aren't essential services, hospitals, fire halls and police stations are. Banks, dentists, shipping packages, those are all businesses that need to make money to stay open, they aren't going to stay open our of the goodness of their hearts because they can't afford to (I would figure you could sort that out, with all your ramblings about money). Now unless Vancouver is weird as fuck, in most places banks are now open 6-7 days a week, and places like Canada Post are open at least 12-14 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Medical professionals I'll give you as most are only open 9-5 or at best 10-6, except it's EASIER for night shifters to get to a doctor since they don't have to miss work to be there. Seriously, did you put any thought whatsoever into this post? Because it looks like you didn't.

And FYI, I've definitely travelled outside of Vancouver seeing as I don't live there. I live in a much smaller city and I still don't have problems getting shit down outside of working hours.

and no, i don't ignore things because I have "something better to do". not when it's calling out to ME PERSONALLY. and especially not when it's something like forum where i can RETURN and REPLY LATER. christ.

if you truly have something better to do, why don't you go do it? why don't u go lift a weight, or watch some grown men chase a ball around. why are you still here replying?

leave if you don't care.

it doesn't take a smart person to know why you're still here. you don't have something better to do. especially now that you've just admitted that you would go do something better if you had the chance.

stop owning yourself.

Well if you must know, generally when I'm posting it's while I'm working, due to the latencies in the stuff I work with every time I open or save or make major changes to some of the software, there's a good 30 seconds to 5 minutes where I have to wait for it to catch up. Rather than stare at the paint on the wall (it's already dry, so nothing to see there) I skim through forums and such. So for those small intervals, no, I don't really have much better to do. But if it wasn't for those gaps, you'd rarely see me on here.

But go ahead, twist my words. As I've already shown, you can't even get your own posts straight so I really don't expect you to be able to sort out anybody else's.

[FerrariEnzo]

this is waaay off topic...

[bballguy]

:hotbaby:

you know, right now you're like a guy who's in a theatre, bashing the movie, saying he doesn't care enough to watch the movie, yet he doesn't leave. you know, it doesn't matter what you think or what you tried to say. you look stupid to everyone else. pretty much, only you think you're not stupid.

Twisting around my words, and taking only parts of my statements....I don't expect anything less...Very creative in fact, bud.

Anyway, seems to me like most people in this thread are thinking YOU are stupid, so......

[320icar]

Of course it's creative bball, he's probably some sensative artist
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[DanHibiki]

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[Zoidberg]

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[multicartual]

Probably the biggest barrier people have to working on art is the fear of being criticized for it.

A lot of people are good writers/painters/actors/singers but they are waaaaay too afraid to show or tell someone. Developing a thick skin and understanding that whatever avenue you choose to express yourself with you're going to find more people vocalize that you suck before you'll ever find any fans.

One of my ex-best friends constantly name-dropped some celebrity dude he hangs out with once a year, but because he's famous and has a name in Hollywood the guy would constantly talk about how cool he is and speak like he was star-struck by buddy. I mentioned that I was working on a novel describing how reality is so far divorced from my expectations of adult dating and the guy basically went off on me and said I was an idiot for even thinking about putting my voice out into the world. A lot of other artists I've met found that the people who they expected to find support for their craft tend to be the very people who tell them their dreams aren't worth chasing. Finding that one first fan can be so difficult, but once you've got a following than the snowball starts really rolling downhill. Once you're at the level where people would recognize you walking down the street, everyone wants to be around you. Bill Murray could walk into a bar nearly anywhere in the world and walk out having drank for free and with a couple of hot chicks.

Sure, there ARE lot of people who aren't very talented who want to be in the arts, but even Eminem started by selling CDs out of the back of his beater. JK Rowlings was rejected a dozen times before being published. The key to working at art is to self-generate a confidence in your work and refine yourself internally. Blocking out the unimportant exterior noise and allowing yourself to grow is probably the most challenging part of being creative, and it absolutely lends itself to Kanyeism.

Yeah, I sound like an asshole talking about that chick downstairs, but I've been nothing but friendly and I never complain when she parties. We literally went a few minutes after 11 with the majority of the noise and the only noise from like 11:15-12:00 was a few things being moved and a couple C-stands got knocked over. You'd think she'd be friendlier and even be curious to know what we're working on, given that we're neighbors, hell if the situation were reversed I'd be stoked for her and her business!!! I love supporting locals!

Even though I do get off joking about the beige lives of 9-5'ers, I'll be the first person to chat up retail workers and treat them like people. I haven't forgotten what it was like to work a 9-5 job for minimum wage where if the boss doesn't like your haircut on a particular day your ass can be sent packing. It can be very dehumanizing to work a shit job just to scrape by and survive.

If my antics can entertain, put a smile on people's faces, or make people think then I'm doing my job as an artist. Like nearly anything in life, it takes a lot of trial and error to get in your groove.


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[meme405]

Even though I do get off joking about the beige lives of 9-5'ers, I'll be the first person to chat up retail workers and treat them like people. I haven't forgotten what it was like to work a 9-5 job for minimum wage where if the boss doesn't like your haircut on a particular day your ass can be sent packing. It can be very dehumanizing to work a shit job just to scrape by and survive.

Do you really believe that all 9-5 people work de-humanizing jobs, and just scrape by? :suspicious:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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zoidberg seems to disagree.

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haven't you ever rustled the ant colony? to see verify if you were right in your predictions of how they would systematically break their normal routine? watch them scramble around, and then watched as moments pass, they go back to the way they were and forgot what the fuck just happened... and they never learn. they always react the same way. every single time. they get all angry and fearful and try to bite your fingers and shit, but really, they have no clue what the fuck they're doing. lol.

you rustle ants, so you know exactly how they behave, so the next time you have to rustle them in real life, you know what they'll do, because on the internet they reveal deeper and more inner thoughts that you could never extract out of them in real life.

and then with that knowledge, you can manipulate them. especially if they think you're an ant too. but really, you're an ant eater... in ants clothing? LOL. and the internet is just a laboratory for your experiments. an endless amount of lab rats at your disposal. the funny thing is, they always keep coming back for more. the sad thing is, they always react the same. but once in a while you get an oddball rat, the one that looks left, when all the other ones look right. you take that rat, and you befriend it. because that rat, together with you, will achieve great things.

but to be honest, their replies have been starting to get slightly more constructive. they're actually bringing real arguments to the table now. well, at least one of them. there's a leader amongst them after all.

lol, at them thinking im an "artist" trying to make a "quick buck"... wild assumptions. all artists know, art is not the path of money. they think i'm some guy that writes (no offence meant jason), or throws colors at the wall and calls it art. when they clearly don't understand when i say artist, i encompass all of art. they themselves are probably artists, i mean, afterall, we are on a car modification site, which is an art within itself... they just clearly lack the foresight to realise that. they say it like they've never sat around with their friends trying to think of ways to make money. except they failed, and now they've subconsciously accepted their daily routine, and take pride in it. because like any normal human being, one has to take pride in something, or they'll feel like a worthless piece of shit. which is understandable. but sometimes it's fun to poke at the unfortunate, just to see which one's are still aware of the fact that they've succumbed to what society has thrown at them and give them some reminder that they don't have to be that way. that they don't have to count pennies for their next vacation. or pick which days they can eat out. or turn off their heaters in the winter cuz they don't want their electricity bill more than their comfort levels.

if i'm so in love with money, then i must be an artist, cuz... artists love money right?
like i've said before. I don't love money. ideally, the world should be abolished of money.

except i've realised the world is a battlefield in which one must pick up the sword and swing to get what you want. or submit to someone else swinging a sword. and in this world that sword is money.

I don't care what your values are. if you don't have money, and you're happy... GREAT. but don't be so fucking selfish. cuz all you're thinking about is yourself. what about your loved ones? your children (future children for most of you). what about your friends that could use some cash? what about that guy on the corner of the street? you guys ever thought of that?

I'm SURE your awesome 9-5 job will take care of them. oh yeah, totally. I'm sure your kids will go through the BEST they can receive. I'm sure your parents in old age will be taken care of 110%. I'm sure your wives will totally enjoy you telling them you're gonna have to take that flight with two connections on your next vacation cuz the direct flight was out of your expense range.

i'm not knocking on poor people. i see tons of people read this thread. and i know tons of people agree.

my argument here is not for those who have replied. it's for those who are wise, and sit in silence and read and think about what i've said. and tomorrow they'll go out and try harder, to achieve actual greatness. to be able to support others. and not just think of their OWN selfish values, and their OWN fucking lives ALL the god damn time (not directed at you jason, art is an exception. art is to be displayed to others, in hopes of evoking something inside them. where as the rest of these guys are in some service industry, their work is serving some other industry, both directed by someone on top, they are the providers... not them).

i'm sure you guys love your 9-5 job. good for you. i'm sure there are 1000x as many other people that hate theirs and wish they had more money, so they can go out and do what they really want to do.

you guys have been lured out to be set as an example, to the others who still have hope of achieving greater things. we don't really care what you think, or what you do. but you're good examples for others, other people who don't wanna be you.

if this thread lasts till tomorrow, i'll have replies to their replies.

disclosure: i am not a troll. but i'm sure 320icar is.

Probably the biggest barrier people have to working on art is the fear of being criticized for it.

A lot of people are good writers/painters/actors/singers but they are waaaaay too afraid to show or tell someone. Developing a thick skin and understanding that whatever avenue you choose to express yourself with you're going to find more people vocalize that you suck before you'll ever find any fans.

One of my ex-best friends constantly name-dropped some celebrity dude he hangs out with once a year, but because he's famous and has a name in Hollywood the guy would constantly talk about how cool he is and speak like he was star-struck by buddy. I mentioned that I was working on a novel describing how reality is so far divorced from my expectations of adult dating and the guy basically went off on me and said I was an idiot for even thinking about putting my voice out into the world. A lot of other artists I've met found that the people who they expected to find support for their craft tend to be the very people who tell them their dreams aren't worth chasing. Finding that one first fan can be so difficult, but once you've got a following than the snowball starts really rolling downhill. Once you're at the level where people would recognize you walking down the street, everyone wants to be around you. Bill Murray could walk into a bar nearly anywhere in the world and walk out having drank for free and with a couple of hot chicks.

Sure, there ARE lot of people who aren't very talented who want to be in the arts, but even Eminem started by selling CDs out of the back of his beater. JK Rowlings was rejected a dozen times before being published. The key to working at art is to self-generate a confidence in your work and refine yourself internally. Blocking out the unimportant exterior noise and allowing yourself to grow is probably the most challenging part of being creative, and it absolutely lends itself to Kanyeism.

Yeah, I sound like an asshole talking about that chick downstairs, but I've been nothing but friendly and I never complain when she parties. We literally went a few minutes after 11 with the majority of the noise and the only noise from like 11:15-12:00 was a few things being moved and a couple C-stands got knocked over. You'd think she'd be friendlier and even be curious to know what we're working on, given that we're neighbors, hell if the situation were reversed I'd be stoked for her and her business!!! I love supporting locals!

Even though I do get off joking about the beige lives of 9-5'ers, I'll be the first person to chat up retail workers and treat them like people. I haven't forgotten what it was like to work a 9-5 job for minimum wage where if the boss doesn't like your haircut on a particular day your ass can be sent packing. It can be very dehumanizing to work a shit job just to scrape by and survive.

If my antics can entertain, put a smile on people's faces, or make people think then I'm doing my job as an artist. Like nearly anything in life, it takes a lot of trial and error to get in your groove.


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i would thank you if i could, but it seems like some admin has just removed those buttons from you for some reason (edit: lol now it's back).

i agree that most people live their lives in fear, they all have some great ability, but are too fucking pussy to show it off, or actually take the time and dedication to excel in it (or perhaps they just simply don't have the time... 9-5 maybe?)

they succumb to what they've been fed, but really, they don't know the people on top are totally taking advantage of them. rolling in dough as they slave away everyday. perhaps they enjoy it. but i know they can enjoy more. it's just too bad they've never even seen it.
what's worse are people that are born into the lower middle class or below. chances are they've never seen real money, or enjoyed/experienced anything to do with "a lot of money". they just don't know... at all. they perceive money as what they see on the news and in gossip magazines. rappers and other pop stars doing ridiculous things. billionaire bankers buying mega yachts. little do they know, there are millions of people that are "rich". they arent billionaires, but they sure do have a much easier life than theirs. they just don't know it.

for those of you who work 9-5 and break the 120k+ per year income. i applaud you. really! it's quite an achievement (if you don't know, you're very close to the top 1%, with some smart investments you'll easily be in the 1%). but c'mon. we all know most 9-5's don't even make close to that. what? 75-80k AT BEST? most of the kids on this site, even if they make close to 80k, don't have families or kids. they've been rolling in that cash solo, duh. of course that feels satisfying. wait till you have a wife, and kids. they will demand shit. see how well your 80k a year is. If you never want kids, or a family, and you're satisfied going solo forever. well good for you. but again, like the people bashing the nightowls in this thread, i can use your argument right back at you. you're in the minority. no one cares about you. like how that feels?

and instagram followed.

[multicartual]

Do you really believe that all 9-5 people work de-humanizing jobs, and just scrape by? :suspicious:



Absolutely not. There are a lot of people with very fulfilling 9-5 jobs who get to go home at the end of the day and leave work at work!


However, there are many, many more people who are perpetual debt slaves who will work until they die and never be able to explore much of life. I am truly blessed to have porn income because it's such a steady cash flow.


Ever noticed that most of the people you see working shitty 9-5 jobs in retail or service are also ugly people?


You never, ever find hot chicks working fast food, for example. We are entering into a Brave New World where those who win the genetic lottery are almost guaranteed an easy life.


If you are a fat, short, ugly woman or man your life is going to be EXTREMELY difficult compared to if you are tall, handsome, and fit.


Occasionally there is a Lena Dunham or Roseanne Barr that breaks the stereotype of female success icon, but for the most part if you're not good looking you'll never be shit. I know that the biggest things I can do to help my authoring career is write more, lose weight, look better and work on my image!


Ulic is a smart guy, he has a good grasp of how the world works. It can be pretty fucking depressing to think that money is truly the key to the world.


The more money you have the more you can make whatever you imagine come true.

[320icar]

I'm not a troll bro. I'm just an asshole
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[multicartual]

what's worse are people that are born into the lower middle class or below. chances are they've never seen real money, or enjoyed/experienced anything to do with "a lot of money". they just don't know... at all. they perceive money as what they see on the news and in gossip magazines. rappers and other pop stars doing ridiculous things. billionaire bankers buying mega yachts. little do they know, there are millions of people that are "rich". they arent billionaires, but they sure do have a much easier life than theirs. they just don't know it.



Yes, and all of the damage caused by promotion of an image like a gangster rapper that causes so much pain and suffering in the ghettos where the rappers don't live anymore.


If anyone read my book it definitely does NOT promote a drugs, alcohol, and hooking up lifestyle. It works to illuminate the downsides of it and how people's morals have gone to shit.


Life imitates art, art that imitates life is just poor art


Same with my porn promotion, I know that the porn I profit from causes a lot of bad juju, confuses people sexually, and actually harms relations between men and women. It also breeds narcissism like crazy!!! Either I am going to get out of the porn business if my writing ever takes off or I will eventually make some sort of ethical pornography that cuts the actors in for a % of the profits and I will obscure the faces of the actors somehow. Perhaps through DoF or lighting.


I have an idea to setup a bed with 5 7D Canon cameras that are always static, fixed pointing in certain directions. Then I would take a couple and have them have sex on the bed in positions that would be marked on the bed in clear tape for where to put their bodies. 2 minutes of doggy, 2 minutes of reverse cowgirl, 2 minutes of her on top, 2 minutes of missionary(guy leaning back and top-down view), and 2 minutes of whatever else view, etc etc. The way it would be setup is that you never would see their faces but their bodies would be shown and filmed in smooth 60 FPS with perfect lighting.

Minimalist porn. The videos would always be like 20 minutes long edited together with these 2 minute segments of the same angles over and over between different episodes and different couples. Or maybe I could just fuck the chicks I would hire myself, with condoms of course, don't want the herps. There would be a photoset of "clothed/unclothed" for the woman at the start. That way your mind can completely objectify her body without having to see her face. Then anyone could be a pornstar and protect their anonyminity. The modern adult industry makes me ill and it has very, very few actual artists involved in the production of it. Cutting the women in for 10% lifetime earnings for their episode would also prove to be much more ethical than the current model of paying the people one time for something that will make the owners sooooooooo much money over years of the content being online.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

We are entering into a Brave New World where those who win the genetic lottery are almost guaranteed an easy life.

lol this is the sickest thing i've seen in my life. I have witnessed this first hand in every megalopolis i have been to. The most notable right now is china. women born with exceptional beauty are guaranteed to be millionaires. GUARANTEED. and i say that with no exaggeration.

of course i can already sense the disgusted snarls from the righteous. but unlike them, i realised there is what you perceive to be ideal, and what reality is. and reality is hard to change. instead i embraced it. they ARE lucky, they ARE very fortunate. instead of hating on them, i applaud them. they are born 10000 steps ahead of the rest... who can only hope to be born with better genetics, or more intelligence or wisdom in their next life... if reincarnation is even real lol.

it's funny cuz at the end of the day, these beautiful people have no idea how lucky they are. They are basically modern day blue blooded royals.


The more money you have the more you can make whatever you imagine come true.

lol, not to twist your words, but, that means a lot of people in this thread lack imagination. hahaha.... they're not born to be wizards. just the serfs that serve the wizards. what can ya do.

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touche.

[fliptuner]

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[meme405]

zoidberg seems to disagree.

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haven't you ever rustled the ant colony? to see verify if you were right in your predictions of how they would systematically break their normal routine? watch them scramble around, and then watched as moments pass, they go back to the way they were and forgot what the fuck just happened... and they never learn. they always react the same way. every single time. they get all angry and fearful and try to bite your fingers and shit, but really, they have no clue what the fuck they're doing. lol.

you rustle ants, so you know exactly how they behave, so the next time you have to rustle them in real life, you know what they'll do, because on the internet they reveal deeper and more inner thoughts that you could never extract out of them in real life.

and then with that knowledge, you can manipulate them. especially if they think you're an ant too. but really, you're an ant eater... in ants clothing? LOL. and the internet is just a laboratory for your experiments. an endless amount of lab rats at your disposal. the funny thing is, they always keep coming back for more. the sad thing is, they always react the same. but once in a while you get an oddball rat, the one that looks left, when all the other ones look right. you take that rat, and you befriend it. because that rat, together with you, will achieve great things.

but to be honest, their replies have been starting to get slightly more constructive. they're actually bringing real arguments to the table now. well, at least one of them. there's a leader amongst them after all.

lol, at them thinking im an "artist" trying to make a "quick buck"... wild assumptions. all artists know, art is not the path of money. they think i'm some guy that writes (no offence meant jason), or throws colors at the wall and calls it art. when they clearly don't understand when i say artist, i encompass all of art. they themselves are probably artists, i mean, afterall, we are on a car modification site, which is an art within itself... they just clearly lack the foresight to realise that. they say it like they've never sat around with their friends trying to think of ways to make money. except they failed, and now they've subconsciously accepted their daily routine, and take pride in it. because like any normal human being, one has to take pride in something, or they'll feel like a worthless piece of shit. which is understandable. but sometimes it's fun to poke at the unfortunate, just to see which one's are still aware of the fact that they've succumbed to what society has thrown at them and give them some reminder that they don't have to be that way. that they don't have to count pennies for their next vacation. or pick which days they can eat out. or turn off their heaters in the winter cuz they don't want their electricity bill more than their comfort levels.

if i'm so in love with money, then i must be an artist, cuz... artists love money right?
like i've said before. I don't love money. ideally, the world should be abolished of money.

except i've realised the world is a battlefield in which one must pick up the sword and swing to get what you want. or submit to someone else swinging a sword. and in this world that sword is money.

I don't care what your values are. if you don't have money, and you're happy... GREAT. but don't be so fucking selfish. cuz all you're thinking about is yourself. what about your loved ones? your children (future children for most of you). what about your friends that could use some cash? what about that guy on the corner of the street? you guys ever thought of that?

I'm SURE your awesome 9-5 job will take care of them. oh yeah, totally. I'm sure your kids will go through the BEST they can receive. I'm sure your parents in old age will be taken care of 110%. I'm sure your wives will totally enjoy you telling them you're gonna have to take that flight with two connections on your next vacation cuz the direct flight was out of your expense range.

i'm not knocking on poor people. i see tons of people read this thread. and i know tons of people agree.

my argument here is not for those who have replied. it's for those who are wise, and sit in silence and read and think about what i've said. and tomorrow they'll go out and try harder, to achieve actual greatness. to be able to support others. and not just think of their OWN selfish values, and their OWN fucking lives ALL the god damn time (not directed at you jason, art is an exception. art is to be displayed to others, in hopes of evoking something inside them. where as the rest of these guys are in some service industry, their work is serving some other industry, both directed by someone on top, they are the providers... not them).

i'm sure you guys love your 9-5 job. good for you. i'm sure there are 1000x as many other people that hate theirs and wish they had more money, so they can go out and do what they really want to do.

you guys have been lured out to be set as an example, to the others who still have hope of achieving greater things. we don't really care what you think, or what you do. but you're good examples for others, other people who don't wanna be you.

if this thread lasts till tomorrow, i'll have replies to their replies.

disclosure: i am not a troll. but i'm sure 320icar is.


i would thank you if i could, but it seems like some admin has just removed those buttons from you for some reason (edit: lol now it's back).

i agree that most people live their lives in fear, they all have some great ability, but are too fucking pussy to show it off, or actually take the time and dedication to excel in it (or perhaps they just simply don't have the time... 9-5 maybe?)

they succumb to what they've been fed, but really, they don't know the people on top are totally taking advantage of them. rolling in dough as they slave away everyday. perhaps they enjoy it. but i know they can enjoy more. it's just too bad they've never even seen it.
what's worse are people that are born into the lower middle class or below. chances are they've never seen real money, or enjoyed/experienced anything to do with "a lot of money". they just don't know... at all. they perceive money as what they see on the news and in gossip magazines. rappers and other pop stars doing ridiculous things. billionaire bankers buying mega yachts. little do they know, there are millions of people that are "rich". they arent billionaires, but they sure do have a much easier life than theirs. they just don't know it.

for those of you who work 9-5 and break the 120k+ per year income. i applaud you. really. but c'mon. we all know most 9-5's don't even make close to that. what? 75-80k AT BEST? most of the kids on this site, even if they make close to 80k, don't have families or kids. they've been rolling in that cash solo, duh. of course that feels satisfying. wait till you have a wife, and kids. they will demand shit. see how well your 80k a year is. If you never want kids, or a family, and you're satisfied going solo forever. well good for you. but again, like the people bashing the nightowls in this thread, i can use your argument right back at you. you're in the minority. no one cares about you. like how that feels?

and instagram followed.


I love how your post about not being a slave to money deluged into an entire thesis on how much money I will, in your mind, never make.

I'm going to leave this conversation now because I don't feel the need (like john chow would, haha throwback to that thread it is TBT afterall, oh wait its friday now...:okay:) to divulge my income or financial situation to any one person. Let alone to say it in a public forum on the internet.

What I will say is that based on your last paragraph you have lost touch with reality almost entirely, or maybe its just that you have completely lost your mind if you cannot see the earning potential in 9-5 jobs. I would like to point out that bill gates, warren buffet are both 9-5ers, the margin of millionaires created by 9-5 jobs far exceeds that of the one created by aspiring artists.

Bill gates once said something that stuck with me as it did with many others:

If you are born poor its not your fault. But if you die poor its your fault.

Anyone can be rich, just takes a some work.

I can tell you what it certainly doesn't have to entail: It doesn't take becoming a night owl, or starting up a porn business, and it certainly doesn't entail pissing your neighbors off by being a douchebag and an asshole.

(Yes that last part was a stab at showing you how far you have drifted this topic off its mark because you have literally lost every single argument you have started)

[multicartual]

I can tell you what it certainly doesn't have to entail: It doesn't take becoming a night owl, or starting up a porn business, and it certainly doesn't entail pissing your neighbors off by being a douchebag and an asshole.




Yes, such an asshole for attempting to create cool shit and drifting a little bit beyond 11 PM on a Tuesday night. What a douchebag. Very jerk. Such rude.


I'm so sorry that she had to listen to a few thumps and some footsteps from 11:30-12:00.


Oh the humanity!


Truth is, she moved into a building that has a high % of commercial use. She is trying to force people like me to adapt to her. I only had 1 noise complaint before and that's when an uppity gay couple moved in and they complained about everyone on my floor until they moved out. Same shit goes for this chick, I just have to wait until the 2k a month rent gets a little too much for her and noodle handshake to handle.


It's the same shit when people move across from a nightclub or airport then complain about the noise.

[meme405]

Yes, such an asshole for attempting to create cool shit and drifting a little bit beyond 11 PM on a Tuesday night. What a douchebag. Very jerk. Such rude.


No you are not an asshole for making noise a little after 11PM, but go back and read the first 2 pages of this thread because you are an asshole after all of that...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I would like to point out that bill gates, warren buffet are both 9-5ers, the margin of millionaires created by 9-5 jobs far exceeds that of the one created by aspiring artists.

Bill gates once said something that stuck with me as it did with many others:

I can tell you what it certainly doesn't have to entail: It doesn't take becoming a night owl, or starting up a porn business, and it certainly doesn't entail pissing your neighbors off by being a douchebag and an asshole.

if you consider bill gates and warren buffet, as 9-5er's, YOU are clearly the one who is out of touch with reality.

they are 9-5's because they CHOOSE to be. they could VERY easily be whatever time they wanna be.

the whole thread is about CHOICE. OPTIONS.

you can't phone up your boss and call off the next week. or change a meeting to suit your schedule in some super weird off hour time.
but guess what, gates and buffet can. in fact they can completely stop working. the world can be starving and they wouldn't HAVE to help out at all and live their luxurious lives (although im sure they would help). but you on the other hand... can you do those things? can you call any shots that aren't totally out of the social norm?

can you just decide to take 3 months off? half a year? a year or more? no.

what if you found a hobby you really loved. could you just QUIT your job and do that for the rest of your life? RIGHT NOW. NO.

I don't know how much you make, but trust me. our definition of 9-5 is not bill gates. nor warren buffet (you can say any financial trader is 9-5, cuz markets are open during that time, in that case, i am 9-5 too, or i should say, 6-1 cuz we live in the west coast).

dude, i'll throw it out there and guess that you make well above 150k a year. even if you make 250-300k+ a year, well, good for you. really, cuz that is an achievement.

but you must realise, you are a minority. the rest of the people here that work 9-5, don't fall under your definition of 9-5. they fall under jason's and my definition of 9-5. Jobs with little to no hope of exceeding 100k a year.

if you make far more than that in a 9-5 job, you are way above the 1%, and you're actually representing our side of the argument.

I hope you know that.

corporate moguls and other CEO or high technical skill types that make well over 100k a year, are NOT 9-5ers. they already have WAY more choice than the people we're talking about.

perhaps we should change the term 9-5 to: careers that you want to get out of, because you're near or at the cap, and you cant support a whole family all by yourself. you rely on your spouse who also works a similar income job. or even worse, you can barely support yourself, and with the way things are going, you wont have enough money to ever retire. ever.

that is OUR definition of 9-5.



i can't believe you used billionaires as examples of 9-5.



you also seem to have not absorbed WHY we choose to peruse money the way we do. not because we wanna be rich. but because we want to be free, and to be able to express our creative thoughts, and translate them into THIS reality. FREEDOM. 9-5, shifts, routine... whatever you want to call it, does not ALLOW one to be free. i don't care if you make 300k a year, but you work for some corporation, and you can't roam free and do other things. other things that take up MORE time than your job. you're not free.

the emphasis has always been freedom and options. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU "DONT WANT" TO DO IT. if you don't have the choice, you don't have a say.
like all the idiots that say they're content with their corollas, and they don't want ferrari's. well guess what, they don't even have a FUCKING CHOICE. so what good is their opinion?

and by the way, who cares what the originally thread is about. we changed it.






last note, you should really do you research on night owls before you bash them. for a lot of night owls that are night owls well into their adulthood. it's not by choice. just like it's not your choice you're most efficient in the day time and if you were forced to perpetually live the night owl shift, your physical and mental capacity would slowly break down. for the same reason old people generally are all larks. you think they CHOOSE to be? if you think so, i think you should do your research.

there are plenty of people with circadian rhythm sleep disorders. it's already been identified in the ICSD and DSM. sure laugh all you want, but it's real. and with the rising rate of ADHD, the next generation and generation after that, you'll see a shit ton more night owls (adhd is genetically linked to circadian rhythm disorders)...i'd like to think you guys are not laughing at the fact that i think ADHD is real too. because if you haven't seen what ADHD looks like, you really have no clue.

You guys seem to think most people that live at night (all around the world), do it by choice. open your eyes. just like you're genetically disposition is to function in the day. there are many others who have a genetic disposition to function at night.

you wait till there's enough of these people that live whack hours. when they start demanding you have meetings during your dinner time, or bed time, or breakfast time. see how you like it.

not just night owls. there are plenty of larks and other people with other "invisible disabilities", who live totally weird hours. such as waking up at 2am-4am perpetually (larks). people with internal clocks that are longer than 24 hours hence never being able to adjust to "9-5".

you bashing night owls, is the same as bashing a blind man or someone with glasses., yeah they are minorities too. to many, it's not a choice. you realise how much of a fucking asshole you sound like to people who have this knowledge. especially the medical community... right? and i'm not talking about a fucking night shift worker that is forced to work that job cuz they have no other jobs available.

you also realise, the only reason 9-5 exists is because of old traditions when we lacked artificial light and other technologies. and when farmers and gatherers had to get up and go gather food and shit when they had light. you do realise your traditions are fairly archaic and slowly dying out. you do know that right? you have been to a city where the density is at least 4-8 times vancouver's right? you do realise when you walk out at 3am there are a SHIT ton of people still doing stuff.

open your eyes. judge not by what you see in vancouver. for vancouver is small. judge the world, BY the world. if you haven't seen the world, i suggest you go out and take a look.

the middle east is a perpetual night owl society. of course this is due to the heat experienced in the day. but people don't leave do anything until the sun sets. malls close at midnight.i suggest you go to the UAE when you have time. you'll be surprised at their attitude of the night. it's pretty much reversed of most of the western world.

i can rule out that you're not a well travelled person (and i don't just mean vacations and sight seeing. i mean actually living in other non western cities for months or years and absorbing the culture). and i can rule out that you're most probably not a medical doctor, or have any education related to evolution of human beings.

i beg you people that haven't travelled much, you visit 3 cities, that have a population that at least exceeds all of canada. stay there for 3-6 months. you'll be quick to learn, that 9-5 is archaic. you'll learn quickly that we're living in the past in terms of what the "norm" is, and that very quickly, within 1-2 generations, we'll catch up to where they are.

[multicartual]

Bill gates once said something that stuck with me as it did with many others:

If you are born poor its not your fault. But if you die poor its your fault.




Nikolai Tesla died penniless
Van Gogh died penniless
Oscar Wilde died penniless
Edgar Allan Poe died penniless
Jesus Christ died penniless
Napoleon Bonaparte died penniless


Great people aren't neccessarily the best savers, that is a skill of the normal

How many douchebag rich people died without leaving any impact on the world?

[multicartual]

but you must realise, you are a minority. the rest of the people here that work 9-5, don't fall under your definition of 9-5. they fall under jason's and my definition of 9-5. Jobs with little to no hope of exceeding 100k a year.


One thing, I really sympathize with 9-5'ers in SOME ways, because when you run your own business you get good at recognizing other ways to make money. A lot of the more-successful people I know have multiple income streams so if one completely vanishes their lives are still rockin'.


Metro Vancouver homeless count finds increase of seniors living on streets (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Metro+Vancouver+homeless+count+finds+increase+seni ors/9610331/story.html)


When you work a 9-5 job you have a skill set and you try and negotiate a job for yourself. When you're old and people no longer believe you can learn new tricks, you are fucked and nobody will hire you.


Wal-mart greeter?


Fuck the world is a very cruel place. I get depressed when I think about all of the suffering that goes on.


When working on art I'd hope my neighbor would support me and not talk so much shit or be so fucking rude. It's not like I'm partying, we're working here! It would be different if this were all the time or something, but I rarely make any noise beyond 11. Once a month tops! She's on a power trip.

[SoNaRWaVe]

link to porn please. fapping awaits before i have to head to my 7-3 drone job.

[multicartual]

For example, I can't save a fucking dime of money because the moment I have spare cash I blow it on shit that interests me: art, girls, cars, socializing and experiences. My imagination is so vast I could never have enough money to do all of the things I imagine doing.


Right now I'm uploading porn, watching My Ghost Story: Caught on tape, surfing RS, checking The Corral for cheap 5.0 parts, cleaning my place, doing chin ups and push ups, researching lighting options for the photo studio I'm opening and writing down notes for what's going on with the characters in my 2nd novel as those ideas pop into my head. Totally controlled chaos. It is impossible to save money when your mind has so much going on inside of it.


I know a guy who has so much money and yet he lives the most vanilla life imaginable. I'm fascinated to know how he can be so restrained with his lifestyle when he has so much in the way of resources to make anything he imagines come true. It is unfathomable to me that someone could have that much money and do so little with it. I'm not dissing him, I just don't understand it at all.

[meme405]

if you consider bill gates and warren buffet, as 9-5er's, YOU are clearly the one who is out of touch with reality.

they are 9-5's because they CHOOSE to be. they could VERY easily be whatever time they wanna be.

the whole thread is about CHOICE. OPTIONS.

you can't phone up your boss and call off the next week. or change a meeting to suit your schedule in some super weird off hour time.
but guess what, gates and buffet can. in fact they can completely stop working. the world can be starving and they wouldn't HAVE to help out at all and live their luxurious lives (although im sure they would help). but you on the other hand... can you do those things? can you call any shots that aren't totally out of the social norm?

can you just decide to take 3 months off? half a year? a year or more? no.

what if you found a hobby you really loved. could you just QUIT your job and do that for the rest of your life? RIGHT NOW. NO.

I don't know how much you make, but trust me. our definition of 9-5 is not bill gates. nor warren buffet (you can say any financial trader is 9-5, cuz markets are open during that time, in that case, i am 9-5 too, or i should say, 6-1 cuz we live in the west coast).

dude, i'll throw it out there and guess that you make well above 150k a year. even if you make 250-300k+ a year, well, good for you. really, cuz that is an achievement.

but you must realise, you are a minority. the rest of the people here that work 9-5, don't fall under your definition of 9-5. they fall under jason's and my definition of 9-5. Jobs with little to no hope of exceeding 100k a year.

if you make far more than that in a 9-5 job, you are way above the 1%, and you're actually representing our side of the argument.

I hope you know that.

corporate moguls and other CEO or high technical skill types that make well over 100k a year, are NOT 9-5ers. they already have WAY more choice than the people we're talking about.

perhaps we should change the term 9-5 to: careers that you want to get out of, because you're near or at the cap, and you cant support a whole family all by yourself. you rely on your spouse who also works a similar income job. or even worse, you can barely support yourself, and with the way things are going, you wont have enough money to ever retire. ever.

that is OUR definition of 9-5.

i can't believe you used billionaires as examples of 9-5.

and by the way, who cares what the originally thread is about. we changed it.

LOLWUT?

So you are just going to change the definition of a 9-5 job to working at mcdonalds because it suits your argument better?

Bill gates and Warren Buffet were not always rich, they started out working 9-5 jobs, sure maybe they worked more than 8 hours a day fairly often, as do I, but I am still working a 9-5 job. It is still a blue collar or white collar job.

To be clear when this discussion started there was two possible sides, the side of sleeping during the day and smashing drums at night (or variation thereof), or the side of waking up in the AM and living your life in real day-light. Somewhere along the way you completely degraded the daylight option into working as a cashier at safeway.

[multicartual]

you wont have enough money to ever retire. ever.



Retirement is something totally mysterious... how do you stop being you?

[multicartual]

Somewhere along the way you completely degraded the daylight option into working as a cashier at safeway.


The average income in Metro Vancouver in 2009, was only $41,176, according to Canada Revenue Agency statistics. In Vancouver proper, we are getting by on $43,911. However, Richmond residents are barely scraping by at $33,350 a year — the lowest average income in the region, followed by Burnaby, with an average of $34,961.


Living in Vancouver on 40k a year is practically slavery

[meme405]

i can rule out that you're not a well travelled person (and i don't just mean vacations and sight seeing. i mean actually living in other non western cities for months or years and absorbing the culture). and i can rule out that you're most probably not a medical doctor, or have any education related to evolution of human beings.

You used a weird double negative then a non-double negative there, so I don't know what your intention was.

But I will help you out: I work in the industrial construction industry (not hard to figure out if you look at my past posts). I have worked all over Canada in the last 2 years. I also worked in Oman (Oil and Gas) and Mongolia (mining).

[multicartual]

You used a weird double negative then a non-double negative there, so I don't know what your intention was.

But I will help you out: I work in the industrial construction industry (not hard to figure out if you look at my past posts). I have worked all over Canada in the last 2 years. I also worked in Oman (Oil and Gas) and Mongolia (mining).


You must make baller cash. I met a dude recently who is in upper management in oil and gas and flies to Fort Mac and a bunch of other places in Alberta to train and hire contractors and shit. Buddy makes so much money but loathes to be stuck in camp with people. Claims ironworkers and pipe fitters behave worse than children and 99% of his duties are basically babysitting hurt feelings and inter-personal problems. Apparently people urinate on other people's gear all the time as a form of revenge.

[bnyhan]

lol op if you have so much money why are you driving a e36 it must be do to your life style right?

[meme405]

lol op if you have so much money why are you driving a e36 it must be do to your life style right?

Lol don't go down that path, his E36 has a 5.0L swap into it, and is actually pretty hilarious and entertaining in its own right.

[bballguy]

You must make baller cash. I met a dude recently who is in upper management in oil and gas and flies to Fort Mac and a bunch of other places in Alberta to train and hire contractors and shit. Buddy makes so much money but loathes to be stuck in camp with people. Claims ironworkers and pipe fitters behave worse than children and 99% of his duties are basically babysitting hurt feelings and inter-personal problems. Apparently people urinate on other people's gear all the time as a form of revenge.

lol if "buddy makes so much money" yet "loathes to be stuck in camp with people", why does he CHOOSE to work with them....Is it possible that he can't in fact make so much money and also not have to work with these people!?!??!?

[multicartual]

lol op if you have so much money why are you driving a e36 it must be do to your life style right?



I had a bunch of cool cars including a 94 Supra with a T88 but after a friend crashed it the car was cursed and just blew engine after engine after engine. Then I hated cars and fell into depression for a few years and just leased a new BMW. After that lease was up I had no cars for 2 years and still felt majorly depressed. I HAD to get another hot rod because I LOVE CARS and they have always been a huge part of my life.


This time I decided I would never have another car that made me hate life like that Supra. The 5.0 is a dirt cheap motor that basically grows on front lawns in Surrey and the E36 is a great chassis that is also DIRT CHEAP.


I'd rather spend money on tires and beat the shit out of a fun car that will be cheap to fix when it breaks than have a sick new ride that I'm afraid of breaking anything on.

[multicartual]

lol if "buddy makes so much money" yet "loathes to be stuck in camp with people", why does he CHOOSE to work with them....Is it possible that he can't in fact make so much money and also not have to work with these people!?!??!?


Shit if I got like 250k a year to spend a few weeks in Fort Mac/At a camp every couple months I could probably handle it

[bballguy]

Shit if I got like 250k a year to spend a few weeks in Fort Mac/At a camp every couple months I could probably handle it

Sure, but he also has no choice......btw, is 250K seriously considered "balling" now?...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

LOLWUT?

So you are just going to change the definition of a 9-5 job to working at mcdonalds because it suits your argument better?

Bill gates and Warren Buffet were not always rich, they started out working 9-5 jobs, sure maybe they worked more than 8 hours a day fairly often, as do I, but I am still working a 9-5 job. It is still a blue collar or white collar job.

To be clear when this discussion started there was two possible sides, the side of sleeping during the day and smashing drums at night (or variation thereof), or the side of waking up in the AM and living your life in real day-light. Somewhere along the way you completely degraded the daylight option into working as a cashier at safeway.

i didnt say mcdonalds. and jason's posts after yours has given you some insight on how much of a minority you are.

stop grouping yourself with the rest of the people here.

you really think if all of them tried as hard as you, they could get jobs like you? you really think there are that many vacant jobs? that many 150k+ 9-5 jobs in canada? c'mon man.

and you're calling me crazy. you're just as crazy in another way.

yeah i UNDERSTAND everyone starts at 9-5. i've had plenty of 9-5 jobs when i was a kid and teen. even into my early 20's. i made a decision early on to never fucking work a 9-5 again unless i had no choice.

look at jasons posts again. look at the average wage in van, and richmond.
you KNOW how poor that is? you KNOW how many fucking people are in that group? you know you make at least FIVE times what they do and they have NO chance in hell of getting your job? they do live the life of slavery. 40k and 30k average? are you KIDDING ME. that's AVERAGE?

you are just as much as an elitist as i am. except i admit i am.
you've been banking that kinda money too long, and the only time you were average income poor, was when you were a kid.

look around you man. look how many poor people there are. most of them, are poor, not because they chose to be. they don't have the intellectual capacity to learn new skills. old 9-5 jobs became obsolete. you are LUCKY man.

you know how many people would KILL for you job?

have you been to an east side safeway? do you know how much theft goes on by people that are doing it so they can feed their families? you think they can just up and "work hard" and get a 120k paying job?

dude. please. reality check. and that's ironic coming from me.

Sure, but he also has no choice......btw, is 250K seriously considered "balling" now?...

DUDE are you FUCKING stupid. im sorry. you clearly have NO experience with money. you know 250k a year is basically a millionaire?
you DO know that right?

you think making 1million a year is a millionaire? no man. that's fucking way beyond a millionaire.

your idea of money is skewed by the media. if you make 1m+ a year, you're a CRAZY baller. you understand that right? because people that do make that much money, don't just rely on that money like you rely on your small income.

they leverage it, there's a whole fucking world that has been masked from your eyes. it takes years to hone those skills. most people that make 250k a year, also have dedicated the time to master how to handle and use money. not just blow it on fast cars and expensive shit. you DO know that right?

you're excused if you're below the age of 25. you'd just be inexperienced and naive.

i have to add, there is a skill that is passed down from the rich to their children, an esoteric skill. one that takes a life time to achieve. and their children are very lucky to have access to this knowledge from a young age. the skill is money management, and how to make your money grow. how to UTILIZE money to the fullest. money is magic. you can do anything with it if you know how. it's some harry potter shit, i kid you not. but if you're a level 1 wizard, chances are, you don't know how to cast any spells. lol.


edit: sorry for bashing you, i realised not many people have experience with money, as much as other people have. I'll let u in on a story when i made the same realisation as you just did.

i have a close family friend. since a kid i've always admired him. he was fuckin baller. nice cars, nice house (by nice i mean exotics), vacations. etc. like... a millionaire life style. As I got older and a bit closer to him, i one day had the courage to ask him straight up, how much money he earns per year. he smirked. he whispered to me, "380k a year... not bad huh? ;)"
Sure, i smiled and gave positive affirmation. but in the back of my mind, i was like... what?! that's IT?! i thought you made at least a MILLION a year. as i got older, and got to know more and more "ballers", i realised, these ballers all have something in common. they're VERY good at money management. they can live millionaire lifestyles with only 300-400k+ a year. I was amazed at how far money goes.

it wasn't until i got a chance to hang with people that made tens of millions of dollars a year, till i realised how RIDICULOUS their lifestyles were. of course not all of them chose to live ridiculously. but the odd night they choose to splurge, i was amazed at the services and other things money could buy. I was also absolutely amazed, when i lived with them for a while, how DIFFERENTLY they view money. it honestly, to them is a magical tool. they're so efficient with their money, i swear they should have phd's in money management/utilization.

if you can make 250K+ a year, at your "9-5" job. i applaud you.

another lesson: i know a broker, and i was hanging with him. one of his clients came in one day, and i of course gave him the look up and down and judged him. construction worker. came in with his hard hat, dirty ass jeans and orange vest. guy must not make more than 75k a year. dude is about 45-50, looks worn and tired. you know how much he actually makes? he makes well over 200k a year. his job of course only pays 75k a year. but he's smart with his money. he knows how to invest his money. and he was pulling in over 200. you woulda NEVER thought. he is an exception of course. he has taken YEARS of his own spare time to study and master the markets. why hasn't he quit his job? who knows. maybe the steady income is a safety net. he has his reasons. take what you want out of that story. but for sure he doesn't have money problems.

you guys starting to get a picture of what i mean by how to use money? most 9-5 workers don't have the skill nor knowledge to ever make more money. they duno where to look, and no ones willing to teach them. and even if they do try, there's a high probability they will fail and lose money. so they just don't bother trying.

I hope your knowledge of money has been increased from this post.

[multicartual]

Sure, but he also has no choice......btw, is 250K seriously considered "balling" now?...

?!?!?!?!!?!?!?


Dude you can ball so hard with even 150k as long as you're not being an idiot about dropping k's here and k's there every couple days at restaurants and bars.

[multicartual]

your idea of money is skewed by the media. if you make 1m+ a year, you're a CRAZY baller.


People like Luongo or the Sedins ball on a level that mortals can't even comprehend

[bballguy]

DUDE are you FUCKING stupid. im sorry. you clearly have NO experience with money. you know 250k a year is basically a millionaire?
you DO know that right?

you think making 1million a year is a millionaire? no man. that's fucking way beyond a millionaire.

your idea of money is skewed by the media. if you make 1m+ a year, you're a CRAZY baller. you understand that right? because people that do make that much money, don't just rely on that money like you rely on your small income.

they leverage it, there's a whole fucking world that has been masked from your eyes. it takes years to hone those skills. most people that make 250k a year, also have dedicated the time to master how to handle and use money. not just blow it on fast cars and expensive shit. you DO know that right?

you're excused if you're below the age of 25. you'd just be inexperienced and naive.

lol, you're basically saying 250K and 1m+ is the same thing....I don't consider 250K/yr BALLING....1-mill, sure....250K, you're definitely well off, but again, based on how I've been taught to use money, 250K is great, but not BALLING.....

That said, once again, everyone has different ideas of what is considered 'Ballin'

[bballguy]

People like Luongo or the Sedins ball on a level that mortals can't even comprehend

lol I'm not even gonna give a proper response to this, because if I do, I'll sound as arrogant and abnoxious as you two....

[multicartual]

I don't consider 250K/yr BALLING....


Man... you must have some expensive tastes!!! Can I party with you?!?!


:bowdown:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

dude trust me, when you make 250k a year, you will feel like you're balling out of control. 250k a year doesn't sound like a lot, but that's the skewed perception that the poor have on it.

it IS a lot.

not as much as millions per year. no. but really, there's a point where there's not much difference any more. unless you're acquiring million-billion dollar businesses.

you have to trust me on this one. you know why most people get complacent at 120k a year right? cuz most people don't know how to spend more than that. it gets boring. they get their house, their car, their wives and kids, and they live a happy life.

i'm sure when they were younger they aimed for millions. reality is different when you actually are making that much.

[bballguy]

dude trust me, when you make 250k a year, you will feel like you're balling out of control. 250k a year doesn't sound like a lot, but that's the skewed perception that the poor have on it.

it IS a lot.

not as much as millions per year. no. but really, there's a point where there's not much difference any more. unless you're acquiring million-billion dollar businesses.

you have to trust me on this one. you know why most people get complacent at 120k a year right? cuz most people don't know how to spend more than that. it gets boring. they get their house, their car, their wives and kids, and they live a happy life.

i'm sure when they were younger they aimed for millions. reality is different when you actually are making that much.

lol, skewed perception that the poor have on it? need to trust you on that one? dude, please....

you know why most people get complacent at 120k a year right? cuz most people don't know how to spend more than that. it gets boring. they get their house, their car, their wives and kids, and they live a happy life.

No, they get complacent because there's this thing called 'shit fucking happens', and you should probably be prepared for it, you know, just in case.....ESPECIALLY when you have a job that's as insecure as an 'artist' or w/e the fuck....


I'm gonna pass out now; c ya!

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

well u just did say 250k a year isnt balling.

and i just said it is, and to trust me. and then you just admitted that it is by having saying you need not trust me on that, implying you already know that.

i don't know if you're trolling, being egotistical and just trying to attack me, or really just a plain idiot. or young.

[bballguy]

well u just did say 250k a year isnt balling.

and i just said it is, and to trust me. and then you just admitted that it is by having saying you need not trust me on that, implying you already know that.

i don't know if you're trolling, being egotistical and just trying to attack me, or really just a plain idiot. or young.

I didn't say "dude please" to imply that I already know that 250K is balling...I said "dude please" because (a) I don't need YOU to tell me to trust you on whether it's balling or not, and (b) you said that poor people have this skewed perception that 250K isn't balling, and you are thus implying that I'm poor....

[Razor Ramon HG]

To put into perspective...

Let's say you earn 250,000 after tax deductions. That's roughly 21,000 that you can spend monthly and 700 daily.

Now I don't know about others, but to me that is a shit ton of money.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I didn't say "dude please" to imply that I already know that 250K is balling...I said "dude please" because (a) I don't need YOU to tell me to trust you on whether it's balling or not, and (b) you said that poor people have this skewed perception that 250K isn't balling, and you are thus implying that I'm poor....

so in other words you're taking your emotional correlation with me and bashing whatever i say, because you're an egotistical idiot. and probably young.

so you're all of them. :bigthumb:

you're neither wise nor intelligent at all. go dribble your ball somewhere else kid. i think some men are waiting to slap your ass for making an awesome pass.

the only person on the other side of the debate that has consistently shown that he's not an idiot is meme.

I don't even know why i bother to reply to you. but i will anyway. cuz i know somewhere in your little subconscious mind, this will sit and brew, whether you like it or not. so keep reading.


To put into perspective...

Let's say you earn 250,000 after tax deductions. That's roughly 21,000 that you can spend monthly and 700 daily.

Now I don't know about others, but to me that is a shit ton of money.

yeah and that's not factoring investments and other forms of leverage.

[4444]

well u just did say 250k a year isnt balling.

and i just said it is, and to trust me. and then you just admitted that it is by having saying you need not trust me on that, implying you already know that.

i don't know if you're trolling, being egotistical and just trying to attack me, or really just a plain idiot. or young.

AGGGHHHH can we stop saying 'balling' it's a word used by immature prats who will never make anywhere near the kind of money that they would define as balling.

i'll tell you right now, if i were to make $250K a year vs what i do now, the only thing that would change would be the amount that gets invest each month, resulting in an earlier (and better) retirement, simple as that. ok, maybe i'd splash out on another suit (when you get old, nice suits are to men what channel purses are to women).

i'm serious, i wouldn't move from my place, i wouldn't buy a new car. granted, $250K isn't 'that' much more than i earn now, so maybe i've reached that level where i have everything that i 'want' in my life, and all else gets invested - and where i live, cars are so f'ing expensive to won and run, and you can't speed because there are speed cameras EVERYWHERE, so the desire to have a faster car are nil, plus i live in a very car-unfriendly city, so having a big luxury car isn't practical... god i sound so old.

then again, i am old and boring, and i get to travel the world for free with work in business class staying in super nice hotels - something i'd never pay for myself, so to many people they want to travel, i don't have that same desire as i travel plenty as is... (travelling loses it's fun when you're doing it every couple of weeks for 10hrs at a time)

but the point is, baller is such a stupid term. i think the biggest 'ballers' from the outside are the surrey retards that fill yaletown on the weekend and live at home with their parents, the real ballers are a little older, have a healthy asset portfolio and if they lost their jobs, they could go a couple years without financial concern... i think this view of 'baller'ness comes at 30, and if it doesn't, you probably need to grow up - i'll be 'balling' if my plans come to fruition and i can retire at 50 and spend my years 3 months at a time in 4 different places around the world - now that's balling!

[bballguy]

To put into perspective...

Let's say you earn 250,000 after tax deductions. That's roughly 21,000 that you can spend monthly and 700 daily.

Now I don't know about others, but to me that is a shit ton of money.

Sure, but it completely depends on your set up....Wife and 2 kids and all of a sudden that shit splits 4 ways....you've also got a whole bunch of other expenses...

It's a lot of money for sure, but I think, especially depending on your situation, it's not enough money that you can basically toss it around and not give a flying fuck....Thus, it ain't balling...


^Dude above me somewhat summed up my thoughts actually. 250K is good to live a nice comfortable, enjoyable life and do all reasonable things you want to do while raising a family.

[bballguy]

you're neither wise nor intelligent at all. go dribble your ball somewhere else kid. i think some men are waiting to slap your ass for making an awesome pass.

Yup, back to being a douchebag...Alright gnight bud.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

that is because you are still using a poor mans perspective of only counting the 250k a year.

people that know how to use money that make 250k a year, make a lot more than 250k a year.

4444 can give you some insight on that. like he has said, he invests. and anything more than he makes now will go more into his investments.

you're still taking 250k a year, as 250k a year. when in reality it's far more than that. you honestly should pay attention to what i write. and what 4444 has written.

i use the term balling so that the general audience can associate better with the language.

if i use the word "well off" they will assume something else.

if you split 700 dollars a day, split between 4 people. your wife and 2 kids. and that's all the money you got, you've got 99 problems and a bitch and 2 kids are 3.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Yup, back to being a douchebag...Alright gnight bud.

you reap what you sow mother fucker. you're the biggest douchebag of this thread and you don't even know it.

[bballguy]

Yeah, you're right man, I have a poor man's perspective of 250K, probably because I'm poor and have no idea what it's like.

you reap what you sow mother fucker. you're the biggest douchebag of this thread and you don't even know it.

okay, I think someone's a little upset...

[4444]

i use the term balling so that the general audience can associate better with the language.

if i use the word "well off" they will assume something else.

balling is for douchebags on the street, usually in a group of men, with baggy pants (or nowadays skin tight jeans, stupid plaid shirts and handlebar moustaches who 'run a startup', usually found in gastown), who live with their parents... or worse, have just bought someone in vancouver on 99% leverage

well off people usually spend their time with a loved one, have very little 'stuff' and enjoy doing things, not showing off their wealth.

when i think of my life (i'm 31), i have everything in life i need, and they are:

the love of someone i am madly in love with
my health
the health and well being of family
security (financial and otherwise)
live in an amazingly awesome city (not vancouver)
a career that i really enjoy, and that enables me to do things i want to do (yes, i'd still rather be rich and not have to work, but i live in the real world)
being on track to retire at 50

now, not everything is perfect, i'd love to see my family more (don't live on same side of world anymore), but facetime has made it a lot easier than ever before. you'll also notice none of the above are money related (well, i guess the last one is, but not really, it's about living within your means and being financially responsible and conservative)

so, as far as i'm concerned, i may not drive a flash car (my car has 125hp for christ's sake), i may not go out every weekend and blow money on useless shit and drinks, but in my eyes, i've won! looking at me, people will probably think i'm boring and hate my life - fuck that, i do what i want, when i want, my wants are just a lot less 'douchy' than the average vancovuer cat

but hey, if 'ballers' want to look down on my for being lame - go ahead, water off a duck's back!

[bballguy]

balling is for douchebags on the street, usually in a group of men, with baggy pants (or nowadays skin tight jeans, stupid plaid shirts and handlebar moustaches who 'run a startup', usually found in gastown), who live with their parents... or worse, have just bought someone in vancouver on 99% leverage

well off people usually spend their time with a loved one, have very little 'stuff' and enjoy doing things, not showing off their wealth.

when i think of my life (i'm 31), i have everything in life i need, and they are:

the love of someone i am madly in love with
my health
the health and well being of family
security (financial and otherwise)
live in an amazingly awesome city (not vancouver)
a career that i really enjoy, and that enables me to do things i want to do (yes, i'd still rather be rich and not have to work, but i live in the real world)
being on track to retire at 50

now, not everything is perfect, i'd love to see my family more (don't live on same side of world anymore), but facetime has made it a lot easier than ever before. you'll also notice none of the above are money related (well, i guess the last one is, but not really, it's about living within your means and being financially responsible and conservative)

so, as far as i'm concerned, i may not drive a flash car (my car has 125hp for christ's sake), i may not go out every weekend and blow money on useless shit and drinks, but in my eyes, i've won! looking at me, people will probably think i'm boring and hate my life - fuck that, i do what i want, when i want, my wants are just a lot less 'douchy' than the average vancovuer cat

but hey, if 'ballers' want to look down on my for being lame - go ahead, water off a duck's back!

It's funny, because he's asking me to refer to what you're saying, when really, this is the exact opposite of what he's saying.....You have good money, but you still have to be financially responsible and conservative....When I think of the term 'balling', I think of someone who really doesn't have to think twice where they are throwing their money around....

Maybe we just have a different definition of the term, but I guess we'll never find that out because I think he's a little upset and has resorted to making jokes to do with my username.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Gnight mate. ;)

[4444]

and actually this starts an interesting debate.

i find people's desire to own property (that they live in) is about showing off. it's the whole 'look what i bought'.

to me, it's all financial. now, i'll admit, i live in a very nice place (modest and within my means, but still, very nice in my eyes) - which would be way more to buy than rent. i rent it, i treat it as my home (because it is!) and it is beautifully sparse inside.

tv - yup
internet - yup,
couch, bed, dining table - yup

that's it - no junk, no shit cluttering up my place.

go to a baller's place, it'll be full of chinese made plastic shit. i was taught at a young age to buy stuff that will last you, treat it well and it'll last you a lifetime, i still believe that. i still use (when i'm in canada, at least) tools of my father's and even some of his father's - it's the appreciation of the finer things in life that are actually cheaper in the long run that is the difference in mindset between the average pillock and people who are well off.

i'd say, unfortunately, my types are dying off in great numbers, our generation are full of douches... the only hope is that the hipster movement, whilst hopefully dying soon, breeds a new generation of people who want to do more with less. more powerful phones/tablets that can do everything for them, no need for other computers, tv's, etc. no desire for a suburban big house (i wonder where that market will go in 20 years)

times are very interesting, and i hope 2008 taught us that consumerism sucks. being a service industry blows. i work in a production industry, and i'm so happy about that, i like being able to say that my company produces X, Y, and Z product and that this product makes our lives better - as opposed to service industries that i just can't get behind as much.

maybe i'm just a 60 year old in a 31 yr old's skin?

anyways, i've now gone way off topic!

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

^4444

different people have different levels of freedom that they require.

with your income, and your wants and needs, you are already a very free man.

i am in the same boat. if i were to make more, i wouldn't really move anywhere, nor would i buy a crazy ass car. or any of that shit. i would just do my hobbies a lot more often, and minimize my work hours to as little as possible.

i would heavily invest it all, to secure my freedom. not to secure my ability to throw money around like it doesn't matter. because IT ALWAYS MATTERS.

material wealth and all that shit. it's just like any other drug. you either get hooked on it or you don't. most people don't have the self control to lay off of it. and no amount of money will ever give them freedom. they'll always be tied down by their inflated ego and their perpetual need for more shit.

bball doesn't understand that, at any level of wealth, you always have to be financially responsible and conservative. he doesn't understand the concept that one can spend more money than they make, no matter HOW much they make. doesn't matter if you're fucking carlos slim. he can go broke in a week if he chose to throw money around like he doesn't care. and he's got multi billions.

there is an obvious divide in money mentality here.

on one hand we have jason who does throw money around like crazy, but he is the type of financially reckless guy that i have no doubt, if he made a billion, he'd blow a billion. but he'd also have the balls and initiative to go out and make another billion if he goes broke. he lacks the fear of going broke because he knows money can be made if you just go out and pull the trigger.

we have the the people who are good risk management types, ones that can manage money in an exceptional way. and make it grow in a way where other people would give up their first borns to learn the secret.

and we got bball who thinks there's some level you can reach where you can just throw money around like there's a magical endless supply.

billionaires can lose billions in a day. you should remember that. you can always blow your wealth, with stupid moves, no matter how rich you think you are. simple examples are the casino and markets, where what you lose, scales with how rich you are.

[bballguy]

my wants are just a lot less 'douchy' than the average vancovuer cat

but hey, if 'ballers' want to look down on my for being lame - go ahead, water off a duck's back!


i'd say, unfortunately, my types are dying off in great numbers, our generation are full of douches...


lol, seems like your definition of 'douche' seems to fit with some people in this thread.

[4444]

at any level of wealth, you always have to be financially responsible and conservative. he doesn't understand the concept that one can spend more money than they make, no matter HOW much they make. doesn't matter if you're fucking carlos slim. he can go broke in a week if he chose to throw money around like he doesn't care. and he's got multi billions.

that's exactly it. at even modest income, you can still live within your means, invest enough, be smart about money and then have enough to retire comfortably.

[bballguy]

he knows money can be made if you just go out and pull the trigger.


:suspicious:.......not. sure. if. srs....

[bballguy]

bball doesn't understand that, at any level of wealth, you always have to be financially responsible and conservative. he doesn't understand the concept that one can spend more money than they make, no matter HOW much they make. doesn't matter if you're fucking carlos slim. he can go broke in a week if he chose to throw money around like he doesn't care. and he's got multi billions.

okay, so wtf are you trying to say here then? On one hand you're saying anyone can go broke in a week, regardless of how much money you have (which I agree with), but on the other hand you're saying if you have money you can go do whatever the fuck you want and not have to give a shit about anything....which is where you come across as a huge douche btw...

[multicartual]

that's exactly it. at even modest income, you can still live within your means, invest enough, be smart about money and then have enough to retire comfortably.


I don't think artists really retire though... that's a big difference between the mindsets

[4444]

okay, so wtf are you trying to say here then? On one hand you're saying anyone can go broke in a week, regardless of how much money you have (which I've agreed with all along), but on the other hand you're saying if you have money you can go do whatever the fuck you want and not have to give a shit about anything....which is where you come across as a huge douche btw...

no he's saying that even if you're super rich, you can still spend more than you have and go poor.

let's not continue personal spats (not saying it's you, always takes 2 to tango), it's what kinda ruins the internets, people can, and should have disagreements and differences of opinion, but when it gets into name calling, it makes the world a less fun place

[multicartual]

but on the other hand you're saying if you have money you can go do whatever the fuck you want and not have to give a shit about anything....which is where you come across as a huge douche btw...


Why is that being douchey?


Justin Bieber has the world by the nuts! When he's not driving his Ferrari he's banging some super fucking hot model or partying at one of his mansions. Life must be incredibly fun for him!

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

okay, so wtf are you trying to say here then? On one hand you're saying anyone can go broke in a week, regardless of how much money you have (which I agree with), but on the other hand you're saying if you have money you can go do whatever the fuck you want and not have to give a shit about anything....which is where you come across as a huge douche btw...

I said you can go out and do whatever you want, NOT BEING TIED DOWN BY A RESTRICTIVE SCHEDULE.

by go out and do whatever you want, i don't mean blow all your money on shit.

FREEDOM does not equate to blowing money on shit. it equates to not having to obey to society's demands of waking up at this time, doing this job at that time. TIME RESTRICTIVE issues. you understand?

a small part of freedom is what some of us are experiencing RIGHT now. staying up till 6am arguing on the fucking internet, because we FEEL like it. because we don't give a fuck what other people think, and mostly because we don't have to adhere to any fucking schedule. yeah??? you understand better? how many other people can do this SMALL thing. staying up till 6am just fucking cuz. NOT MANY.

it has never equated to blowing money on lambos and crashing them and blowing it on more lambos and hookers and blow and buying lear jets for fun.

that's not freedom. that's setting yourself up for depression and suicide. that kind of mentality is over the top reckless and you'll not only be hurting yourself, but everyone around you.

Why is that being douchey?


Justin Bieber has the world by the nuts! When he's not driving his Ferrari he's banging some super fucking hot model or partying at one of his mansions. Life must be incredibly fun for him!

as much as i want to slap him sometimes. If I had a chance to befriend him. I would totally. Paris hilton, whoever else. those spoiled "brats" have the option to be brats. OPTIONS. FREEDOM. how many times does one have to reiterate this?

people like 4444 have no need and don't care to do the shit that justin beiber does. plenty of people don't have that need. almost all the billionaires you can list don't do that.
but some people DO have the need. and the ones that have the option to do so, are lucky. and it's in THEIR RIGHT to do so. he can do whatever the fuck he wants with his money. he can act like a douchebag if he WANTS to.

[4444]

I don't think artists really retire though... that's a big difference between the mindsets

entirely true - and respected. to be honest, i hope i don't retire at 50 - at that age, i plan to be a C level executive of a >$10B company, as such i'll be hoping to be enjoying my life so much that leaving it would make me unhappy/emptier than i'd want to be (though that seems sad, that my life would become my work - something i've never wanted... definitely i hope to have that quandary when i'm 50)

if that's the case, all that wealth i'll have accumulated will go into trusts for my family (my kids, my siblings' kids, etc. - you're damn right my kids aren't getting all of it! they're going to work fucking hard, just like i did to become successful, if you're given everything, you'll likely end up weak - i couldn't respect my kids if they were weak) and a bunch to charitable causes.

which brings up a question:

why does fucking UBC always call me (well not anymore now that i don't live in canada) and ask me for money - do you really think i'm going to give penny 1 right now? no - leave me alone (which i ask them to do EVERY time) and i'll donate when i am financially free and that money is surplus to requirements. i'm not there yet, but i will do it at one point, fear not.

i know it's their mandate, but come on, some of us have plans to become muilti millionaires - i won't donate a penny to UBC before that (i donate healthily to cancer and other causes which are close to my heart for personal reasons - but not UBC, YET!!!!)

[4444]

Justin Bieber has the world by the nuts! When he's not driving his Ferrari he's banging some super fucking hot model or partying at one of his mansions. Life must be incredibly fun for him!

i actually don't agree with you on that. now, don't get me wrong, i'd LOVE to have bieber's money - but beiber is hated, and he knows it. most famous people are hated, to some degree, but he is REALLY hated outside of his 14 yr old fan base.
do you think he's emotionally and mentally all there? i don't - now you're right, he's probably having a great time doing drugs, driving fast cars, having a bank account some countries yearn for, but i could see him doing a charlie sheen.

do we think charlie sheen is happy? the guy is messed up, cracked out, not right in the head - i dunno, to me, that's not happiness.

but i'm a suit and tie, stiff upper lip kind of person, maybe artists are born with a propensity for this kind of behaviour/activities.

if i were somehow mega rich, i'd be behind the scenes, not in the limelight, but i like my privacy (within reason)

[4444]

people like 4444 have no need and don't care to do the shit that justin beiber does. plenty of people don't have that need. almost all the billionaires you can list don't do that.
but some people DO have the need. and the ones that have the option to do so, are lucky. and it's in THEIR RIGHT to do so. he can do whatever the fuck he wants with his money. he can act like a douchebag if he WANTS to.

haha, bang on with your edit there!

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

why does fucking UBC always call me (well not anymore now that i don't live in canada) and ask me for money

lol, UBC does this to all their graduates. as do all other universities.

alright ironically i was supposed to work on some art all night, but i chose to argue about money on the net. my eyes look like my avatar and i'm tired as fuck. and as much freedom one has, they always have to obey the master of all: sleep.

to all that actually read up to this point, bravo, TL:did read. i mean no actual disrespect to anyone. it's just that civil debates are boring without yelling and some emotion thrown in there. cuz you know, after all this is a forum for entertainment. we aren't creating new laws and shit in a senate or whatever (although if we were, i'd still yell hah).

and i know J13 gonna read the shit that i said about him. i actually do mean it in some aspect (just as rebuttle to your asshole response). I do respect the fact that you fly fighter jets. You just have to know and also admit, that there are people that have seen much more than you, despite your career and what you have seen. physical feats, and worldly sights are not everything. there are worlds beyond that, hidden from the untrained eye and mind.
I would love to fly in a fighter jet, but i also know i can just pay for a ride if i really wanted to. and in a few years i can pay for a ride to space. it's not the same degree of freedom you get in your jet, but to me, it's close enough. i can imagine much more crazy things in my head, that nothing can replicate those things in this reality. you just have to understand that.

and meme, i have already said i respect the amount of money you make, but like i have said before, you're in the top 1% or at least very close to it from what you have revealed. i'm sure 1000's of people that read this thread hope that one day they can get to your level just by grinding away at a 9-5, but honestly, they won't, no matter how hard they work. and that's just the reality of it.

bball, dude, i don't hate you or think you're an actual idiot. no human is an idiot. everyone is good at something. I just really think you should step back for a moment and try to look at this thread from a different perspective. no one says you have to be an artist or whatever. and i hope you don't ever spend more than you make. cuz ya know, you'll go broke.

with that being said, good night/morning, and cya guys later. I got some dreaming to do.

[320icar]

lol, you're basically saying 250K and 1m+ is the same thing....I don't consider 250K/yr BALLING....1-mill, sure....250K, you're definitely well off, but again, based on how I've been taught to use money, 250K is great, but not BALLING.....

That said, once again, everyone has different ideas of what is considered 'Ballin'

Wait. I'm sorry. You DON'T consider making 250,000 a year baller???? What the fuck is wrong with you? You're fucked man. Must be out of touch with 99% of society
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[radioman]

One time I thought I was "ballin" then my friend quickly came over and pulled me out of the ball pit at mcdonalds.....

[quasi]

Multicutural just walks in here and shits on the rug, walks out of the room giggling as drama unfolds. :inout:

[underscore]

I skimmed over the last few pages, holy shit is there ever a lot of contradictory drivel in here. Apparently 9-5ers can't make enough money to support their families, strange because most seem to do just fine. Has anyone else noticed how instead of actually responding to things, you just get another rant full of disconnected garbage? I thought nothing got ignored. What's the matter, am I hitting too close to home? Or are your mangled minds having a hard time comprehending that you're wrong?

[DanHibiki]

bets on when this thread gets closed?

[bballguy]

Wait. I'm sorry. You DON'T consider making 250,000 a year baller???? What the fuck is wrong with you? You're fucked man. Must be out of touch with 99% of society
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lol, again, 250K is 'well-off'...I probably just have a different definition of the word 'ballin'....

[GLOW]

this is ballin...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mrgaRcbz1rychrho1_400.gif

[fliptuner]

bets on when this thread gets closed?

What's the bet?

[jasonturbo]

Man... 250k in 1 year.. that would be so crazy, it woud totally change my life!!!!!!


.... I would have to reduce my standard of living :fuckthatshit:

[dachinesedude]

everyone has a diff definition of "ballin"

to me this is ballin'
http://i.imgur.com/PoBwE.gif

[sonick]

For me, ballin' = making as much money as a professional athlete... literally being equal to a 'baller' lol.