[Timpo]

Facebook may have over 100 million fake accounts globally - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Facebook-may-have-over-100-million-fake-accounts-globally/articleshow/34672084.cms)

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Facebook may have over 100 million fake accounts globally
PTI | May 5, 2014, 10.24 AM IST

HYDERABAD: Social networking site Facebook said the website may have over 100 million 'duplicate' accounts, and their percentage being higher in developing markets such as India, besides 5 to 15 million 'undesirable' accounts registered with it worldwide, as per company's estimations.

"There may be individuals who maintain one or more Facebook accounts in violation of our terms of service. We estimate, for example, that 'duplicate' accounts (an account that a user maintains in addition to his or her principal account) may have represented between approximately 4.3% and 7.9% of our worldwide MAUs (Monthly Active User) in 2013," Facebook said in the SEC filing.

According to the latest quarterly report, Facebook said the percentage of duplicate or false accounts is higher in developing markets such as India and Turkey.

As of March 31, 2014, the site had 1.28 billion MAUs, an increase of 15 per cent from last March 31. Users in India and Brazil represented key sources of growth in the first quarter of 2014 relative to the same period in 2013, the filing with SEC said.

"In 2013, for example, we estimate user-misclassified accounts may have represented between approximately 0.8% and 2.1% of our worldwide MAUs and undesirable accounts may have represented between approximately 0.4% and 1.2% of our worldwide MAUs," it further said.

User-misclassified accounts, are the profiles created by users for a business, organisation, or non-human entity such as a pet while undesirable accounts, are user profiles that are intended to be used for purposes that violate terms of service, such as spamming.

Facebook further said the estimations of duplicate or false accounts 'may not' accurately represent the actual number of such accounts and the social website is continually seeking to improve ability to identify duplicate or false accounts and estimate the total number of such accounts, and such estimates may change due to improvements or changes in its methodology.

Worldwide mobile MAUs increased 34% to 1.01 billion as of March 31, 2014 from 751 million as of March 31, 2013.

In all regions, an increasing number of MAUs are accessing Facebook through mobile devices, with users in India, Brazil, and the United States representing key sources of mobile MAU growth over the first quarter of 2014, as compared to the same period in 2013.

Worldwide Daily Active Users (DAU) increased 21% to 802 million on average during March 2014 from 665 million during March 2013 due to growth across major markets including Brazil, India, and the United States.

Overall growth in DAUs was driven largely by increased mobile usage of Facebook.

The number of DAUs accessing Facebook on personal computers decreased in March 2014 compared to the same period in 2013, Facebook further said.

[pinn3r]

should shed a little bit of light as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

[SkinnyPupp]

should shed a little bit of light as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag
This was an eye opening video, and absolutely the case. I have dabbled in facebook advertising, and unless you spend a LOT of time focusing on a specific group, you will end up with a bunch of Indian or Indonesian likes.

There was a way around it by scraping account ID's off groups and fan pages. They have put a stop to this however. That was VERY effective, and was by far the best way to reach an audience of actual real people.

[dangonay]

This is news? I have several along with multiple Twitter and Google+ accounts. I use them for testing purposes and nothing else. Plus the "throwaway" accounts for the same reason I have extra e-mail accounts.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is news? I have several along with multiple Twitter and Google+ accounts. I use them for testing purposes and nothing else. Plus the "throwaway" accounts for the same reason I have extra e-mail accounts.
8% of all accounts being fake is pretty interesting IMO

[AAnthony]

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[AeroK]

anybody remember the AOL days.....no comment!

[underscore]

Only 8%? Considering the amount of spam postings I see in groups I would've imagined it to be even higher.

[ree666]

all crazy ex-gfs

[falcon]

I officially deleted my Facebook account two days ago. Feels great. Useless site these days and I found myself only going on there when I had nothing else to do... for no real reason. Better off now.

[Eff-1]

I ran a contest for a client once on facebook. One of those contests where people upload photos and then other users can vote for their favourite. It was mind blowing how many people hacked our contest by uploading a photo and then using fake accounts to "vote" for their photo. What a nightmare.

[AzNightmare]

I officially deleted my Facebook account two days ago. Feels great. Useless site these days and I found myself only going on there when I had nothing else to do... for no real reason. Better off now.

What's the point of deleting it. Unless you were addicted to Facebook, I don't understand how can you feel "liberated" from deleting an account of something you sound like you never really used much in the first place.

I don't really understand this line of thinking, as I know several friends who avoid Facebook for the sake of just avoiding Facebook. And tbh, kind of annoying as they have to be filled in the loop of some event separately as they are the only ones that can't be added or notified in a Facebook group.

[Great68]

And tbh, kind of annoying as they have to be filled in the loop of some event separately as they are the only ones that can't be added or notified in a Facebook group.

Those selfish bastards, actually making their friends communicate with them directly...

[!LittleDragon]

I didn't delete my account but purged a lot of people. Basically if I see you daily/weekly, there's no need to be on my FB. If you want to know what's going on, just come talk to me... pick up the phone and call, go out for a beer, etc...

The only people on my account are family and friends who live abroad. I rarely post and when I do, the post is deleted after a month.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

What's the point of deleting it. Unless you were addicted to Facebook, I don't understand how can you feel "liberated" from deleting an account of something you sound like you never really used much in the first place.

I don't really understand this line of thinking, as I know several friends who avoid Facebook for the sake of just avoiding Facebook. And tbh, kind of annoying as they have to be filled in the loop of some event separately as they are the only ones that can't be added or notified in a Facebook group.

yeah it's like assholes that don't use whatsapp or some form of data text (where information can be spread much easily in groups/voice/pics etc.).

what the fuck. get with the times.

many people/friends have dropped outta social events, and become more and more some type of recluse because they have some weird tendency to want to avoid all forms of e-social apps.

people just stop talking to them because it's so hard to get them in the loop. you feel like a constant telephone relay operator.

eventually no one cares anymore. it's like they're intentionally trying to distance themselves from everyone.

it's pretty much an inflated sense of ego. they think someone is out to get them or suck their privacy away (really that's very CiC thinking, it's just a lesser form of paranoia, talk about mini schizoids).

and it's also inflated ego because they feel that they're special enough that someone has to contact them DIRECTLY and spend the extra time to call them and TALK to them... like their friends are some sorta customer service agents or some shit.

it's like yo man, get with the fucking times.

sure you don't have to use facebook, but don't be some recluse that is only contactable by text and or phone call. and IF for whatever personal reason you MUST do that. don't be an asshole and not reply immediately. you're already a hinder on society in the social aspect. don't push yourself further away from your friends.

and don't give me "if they're my true friends they wont leave me" bullshit.
if you were a true friend you wouldn't impose your reclusive values on the REST OF THE WORLD to bend over for you.

people are busy. people don't have time to spend an hour to go hangout just to tell you about some social event the next week. or whatever. just to have you say "sigh... i duno maybe".

you're not special. people have OTHER friends too. you're only lowering your value as a friend. hard to contact, hard to get a hold of, hard to hangout with. requires special social actions to bring out of your cave... just seems like someone that prefers to have no friends and probably doesn't wanna hangout.

don't bother replying if you only have like less than like 50 friends on facebook or whatever. if you only have a handful of people you ever keep contact with, well it makes sense... because you're already a recluse.

e-social apps are for group cohesion. it's very simple. the whole works more efficiently through an app, instead of one person relaying over and over again. it makes the world much smaller, and easier to reach out much further than before. don't limit yourself.

/endrant... for now.

[falcon]

What's the point of deleting it. Unless you were addicted to Facebook, I don't understand how can you feel "liberated" from deleting an account of something you sound like you never really used much in the first place.

I don't really understand this line of thinking, as I know several friends who avoid Facebook for the sake of just avoiding Facebook. And tbh, kind of annoying as they have to be filled in the loop of some event separately as they are the only ones that can't be added or notified in a Facebook group.

Not addicted at all, just found I was only on it when I was bored. Rather than doing something more productive. I didn't mind facebook 4-5 years ago. But recently it's all ads, "liked" pictures or articles and rarely any actual info on friend. Also, since I kept my friends list small... mainly only people I actually see on a regular basis I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. I also deleted snapchat... I'm just trying to move away from social media and back to the old school way of communicating with people. In person. So far I'm enjoying it. I've gone once before for 6 months with a deactivated account and don't really know why I reactivated it. But this time I'm pretty confident I won't be back.

And in reply to the above post, if it's too much of an "inconvenience" to call/text me when you want to chill then you're probably not much of a friend anyways. I don't need 500+ "friends" to feel fulfilled in life. I'm happy with the 15-20 I see regularly and that's all I need.

[Token]

Not addicted at all, just found I was only on it when I was bored. Rather than doing something more productive. I didn't mind facebook 4-5 years ago. But recently it's all ads, "liked" pictures or articles and rarely any actual info on friend. Also, since I kept my friends list small... mainly only people I actually see on a regular basis I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. I also deleted snapchat... I'm just trying to move away from social media and back to the old school way of communicating with people. In person. So far I'm enjoying it. I've gone once before for 6 months with a deactivated account and don't really know why I reactivated it. But this time I'm pretty confident I won't be back.

And in reply to the above post, if it's too much of an "inconvenience" to call/text me when you want to chill then you're probably not much of a friend anyways. I don't need 500+ "friends" to feel fulfilled in life. I'm happy with the 15-20 I see regularly and that's all I need.

I knew a few people who got rid of their Facebooks and the one major complaint from them I heard often is it makes planning things as a group a bit of a nightmare. FB kinda took over the event planning and organization market so if your social circle uses it, issues can come up where you're the odd man out.

About the article though, that's actually way lower than what I was expecting.

[LightKeeper]

what the fuck. get with the times.

/endrant... for now.

Your social gathering means nothing if you need to invite people through facebook.

Why must everyone get facebook just because your inflated ego needs people to attend your so-called social gathering.

I hate facebook just because it is a brand, not the idea of social media.
Why don't people use google+ to create such "social gathering".
Why must people open account in facebook just to join your social gathering?

It's like forcing people to drink pepsi when they want to drink coke.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

because more people use it. It's more convenient for the most amount of people.

whether it's a 5 person party or a 5000 person party.

It's no different than if you had no cell phone now, and your friends had to send you snail mail, or actually meet you to tell you some details, which you can easily have instant access to yourself. but nope... someone has to relay it to you, just so you can ask another question, which is already answered on the events page.

the word social, is in the phrase social gathering. social refers to one conforming to a shared platform of understanding and communication so that the gathering part is organized... socially.

unless you're a favourite/close friend, or have leverage in the group you hang out with... eventually you'll miss out, and you won't even know.

listen, i don't know about you. but i have far more than 1 group of friends I hang out with, and not all of them are in the same country. I have more friends than I have time to manage. I don't wanna sound like a fucking jerk, but I guess you really don't know how much time it saves unless you had that many people in your life to keep in touch with.

you can hate facebook for whatever biased reason you can pull out of your ass. But hey, a lot of people use it, and the events organization function is hella useful. and keeping in touch with people by peering into their life (and they peering into yours), is a hella time saver. without that, i would be totally out of touch with hundreds of people i've met over my life. but with fb, i can just msg them any time, regardless of how long we haven't talked. because I know they know what's been happening in my life, and vice versa.

it's that simple, if you're a social creature, you'll maximize that aspect of your life. Not calling you anti social. but if you were to categorize your social level, in comparison to the rest of humanity. you can bet that you value social life less than others, because you're willing to put a bias up to deny yourself a tool that allows you access to other humans... other people just value social connection more than you. to the point where they won't put up these silly biases. they go, where the social terminal is. they don't care what it is.

I use fb, because most people use it, it's as simple as that. If everyone migrates to something else, I will too. Because I don't care which platform people use. I just care that I can connect with them CONVENIENTLY and with EASE.

it's just a tool I use.

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think whatever you guys want. Your type of thinking has been around long before electronics.

You can stop using it, or try to live in the past with some archiac life style, like every other stereotypical old grandpa, but don't try to drag other people down. This is just milder form of technophobia.

If you're not "wasting time" scrolling your your FB feed, you're wasting time scrolling through RS, or some other news feed, local news, international news, RSS...

when really, FB feed is full of news about the people that are theoretically closest in connection to you, and matter to your life most. cuz really, reading about how someone got murdered in some city, is more important? than that elementary school acquaintance that lives in the SAME city as you, who got married to to a girl you have 20 connections to.

really? what's more important?

like i said, depends how much you value social connection, and how much you know how to use it to your advantage.

your definitions and labels on life are starting to get out of date, and your actions reflect it. Don't be like old grandpa there... clinging on to his abacus cuz that's the way it was before. that was the good ol way. sure is gramps... sure is.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

an ignorant mistake that most people, when disconnecting from social media, make is they assume everyone else has as much time as them... to go "hang out for a beer" or "chat me up" ("if they really wanted to keep in contact").

I wish i had time to have a beer/chat up/blz/shoot pool/party/go workout (whatever they think being "social" is) with every fucking person I wanna keep in contact with AND do my own personal things... i'd be booked everyday for the next 3 years man!

[LightKeeper]

Because most people use it doesn't justify that all people must use it.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against social media.
I'm against the company facebook.
It's nothing but business here. People are free to choose which company they want to deal with and submit their information to. Some people choose not to use facebook.

The problem with some people is that they believe it is a social "norm" for people to use facebook. The rest who doesn't use it are label as "reclusive". To me, facebook is nothing but a product. The hype about it when it first launched was nothing but a fad. "Only the cool kids had it". This was the marketing strategy used by the company and many fell for it.

There are many alternatives to send mass invites online and I choose not to use facebook. It doesn't mean I'm living in the past. There's just way too many other choices in this current time.

In my opinion, I think many will leave facebook for these alternative choices.

The matter of truth is the website facebook is in trouble. Why else would Mark decided to buy Whatsapp for such a hefty amount when they have their own facebook chat?
That was actually a good move by him (arguable). That might just extend the lifespan of facebook. We'll just have to see how long it will survive with the help of instagram and Whatsapp.

I do understand your frustration in this but you have to understand some people use facebook and some people use weibo or google+ or viber or line or wechat (weixin) etc.
Not everyone have to use facebook.
Unless you can think of something to link them all together. But in this capitalistic society, it is not an easy task to get the companies to agree to do so.

[underscore]

You don't have to use Facebook, but people don't have to join a bunch of other shit just to ivnite you to events or whatever. I have a FB account and that's what I use for pictures and events and such, I'm not going to make an account on every social media site just to send things to every special snowflake who doesn't want to use Facebook.

To use your pop analogy, they're not forcing you to drink Coke, but if all they have to offer is Coke you can either drink Coke or go thirsty, don't expect them to buy Pepsi just to cater to you.

[StanleyR]

I permanently deleted my FB account last month. No going backsies for me anymore!

I just find that living in the present, helps me focus n what's important to me. I dont' have kids, have a GF I live with and a family who isnt' close. I easily had over 300+ "friends", none of which I actually spoke to thru FB. I have a small group of friends I communicate with thru text/email, and I'm happy.

So I say to hell with it. I live in the most beautiful place in Western Canada, why bother wasting my time looking at a PC screen of useless crap that doesn't benefit me in any way.

[LightKeeper]

You don't have to use Facebook, but people don't have to join a bunch of other shit just to ivnite you to events or whatever. I have a FB account and that's what I use for pictures and events and such, I'm not going to make an account on every social media site just to send things to every special snowflake who doesn't want to use Facebook.

To use your pop analogy, they're not forcing you to drink Coke, but if all they have to offer is Coke you can either drink Coke or go thirsty, don't expect them to buy Pepsi just to cater to you.

Again. What you're saying is everyone should use fb just so they can be invited to these events. You're not adding anything constructive here.
People don't want to create fb just to cater to those special and cool kids who like to use it.
You just have to accept the fact that not everyone uses FB.

To be honest, I wouldn't invite through fb if it's such an important event.
Say if I was getting married. I would personally call people that I want to attend my wedding.
I would even send snail mail with my wedding invite. It's more sincere this way.

If all they have is Coke (which is not the case here, there are many other choices), I would rather drink free water.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

People don't want to create fb just to cater to those special and cool kids who like to use it.

u got it backwards dude.

people don't wanna disconnect and go archaic to cater to people who label facebook as "special/cool kids" or label it as some evil company or some shit.

it's a market, an area of exchange. MOST people use it.

YOU'RE the special "too cool" to use facebook kid.

you have to accept, that most people use it. and if you wanna interact with MOST people, you will have to use it. or be left out.

those are the two options.

you can use whatever else you like... (i use every platform and everything, just to cater to you "cool" kids)... but as a person that isnt biased to platforms....

my value system is ease of connection, and most people using... i don't care what the company values are, who owns it, what financial strategies they have... i don't give a fuck. just give me a place to connect to people EASILY and INSTANTLY.

i can tell you facebook is #1 for that. sure some ppl use G+, weixin/wechat...etc etc. whatever. i use all of em too. but really. when i wanna do something, i use fb, cuz i wanna reach as many people as possible.

i don't give a fuck about the image of facebook. i have no biases remember.
i don't care if they blew 19 zillion dollars on whatsapp. i don't care what their strategy is. i don't invest money in them. i just use them to connect to people.

we're not forcing you to use it... we're just telling you... we're gonna do shit on fb... a lot of shit. and we're not gonna bother telling anyone else cuz we'll assume most normal people will use it.

that's all it is.

it's not some "fad" that's gonna die out. companies may switch, new platforms may come by. but this is the new age of social connection. electronic social connection is just as important as face to face.

you're using excuses like weddings and all that crap. yeah sure, you send out important snail mail invites for that shit. but you only wed once... or twice.. thats like.. no one cares about that.

im talking about weekly dinners. weekly parties. monthly events. anything!
you can use it for so much more.


think of it this way, you already use RS, and im sure you use other forums.
just think of RS like FB... some people may like 4chan more, some ppl like RS more. whatever. that's their choice.

but if u wanna reach out to ppl closest to you, that live close to you, RS is probably better right?

but some ppl might have a grudge against RS for whatever biased reason... oh they don't like ulic, or they think it's run by a buncha tools or this mod is a dick etc.

but really, that's their own view, and they're just limiting themselves from the world.

FB is a window which u can see a whole new world. if u don't wanna look through that window, then don't bitch when everyone else is talking about what they saw, cuz you limited yourself.

it's not some "cool kids" thing... little kids to grandpas use this shit. it's USEFUL. it's got PRAGMATIC REAL USE.

it's a tool. if you don't know how to utilize the tool, it doesn't mean the tool sucks. it just means you don't know how to utilize it.

you will distance yourself and segregate yourself by putting up a wall... which u have already done. u call the fb ppl "cool/special" kids. but you only perceive that because you have labelled fb and associated it with some negativity. but in actual objective reality, it's nothing like that. it's only like that in your life... and it's up to you whether you wanna change that or not.

yes, i do realise not everyone uses facebook. but more people use it than not, so... too bad for the minorities. get with the program, or get lost.

I have more than enough friends to keep refilling the ones that choose to go recluse. their actions get tiring. hiding, paranoid about sharing info... don't wanna share this, log onto that, hiding from this... all for what? for what?! all i can see is, the only result they're getting is being a recluse and distancing themselves from everyone else. there is no other pragmatic result. they arent winning some war on privacy rights, or some other delusional thing.

they're just making it hard for everyone else around them.

if you only have a few friends and you're all tight and u don't need FB and your life is fine.. then fine... whatever.
but most people are not you. most people have lots of friends, and wanna stay connected and know whatsup and have the "in" on info and news that directly matter to them.

i have some friends ive been close with since elementary school. group chats on skype, fb events, whatsapp groups, etc.

oh... but... some guy is anti facebook.. stopped using facebook.. stopped using whatsapp cuz its owned by fb.... so he kinda dropped outta the group, cuz we can only talk to him as an individual, there's no platform where we can all talk together... expcet face to face.. but really, that happens like less than once a month cuz we're all grown up and busy.... slowly.. k he's outta the group... he's just so out of the loop cuz none of the shit we talk about he's caught up on. and obviously he feels more distant too cuz of that... eventually, i don't bother inviting him to anything cuz his anti facebook campaign is just a headache to deal with as a person in society.

needless to say, they have much less of a social life now, cuz no one bothers to talk to them any more.

society dictates to you, not the other way around. unless you wanna be alone.


Underscores coke analogy wasnt that good...
but i agree with him.

basically everyone wants to take a car, but you wanna fucking walk. so everyone has to wait for you.

no matter how you argue it, the people that have transferred to electronic communication will always be waiting for those who don't wanna switch.
and eventually that gets tiring. no matter what friendship you have... there are always greater things... people will gravitate towards those things, and join people that are like minded... and leave those other people behind.

i don't know how else to say it man.

you guys are boycotting FB, for the SAKE of boycotting FB...
it's just the same as hating someone cuz of the way they dress or look.
it's like WHO THE FUCK CARES...

even if you are an active investor in FB and think they're doing stupid things by purchasing oculus and whatsapp... sure then dump your stocks... but you cannot deny the platform of connecting people.

no different than a hippy hating guns, cuz he associates guns with war. and based on nothing else.

or a feminist hating on some movie, cuz there was one line that they associated to being sexist.

it's just INSANE man.

see what you can use it for. not what u think it represents. its a tool. pick it up. use it. let someone else show you how to use it. if you really have no use, then ok. put it away. but some time down the road, i guarantee, someone is gonna be talking about something, that everyone else knows, but you don't... cuz they're connected, and you're not.

it's inevitable.

feels like going to a family dinner and all the adults have no idea what the kids are talking about cuz they're not connected. That's what you guys feel like. archaic, behind, dissolve in the sands of time already. LOL, let the rest of the world advance.

/endrant.. again.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

like i don't hate on ppl that don't use facebook.

like i REALLY want to know some answers to the questions i have... so to you non facebook users, please answer these.

1) i understand some of you don't wanna share your info with FB. but what's stopping you from creating another email not associated with you... and creating a fb account using a fake name... and having all your close friends add you just so you can be included in these things? (if you don't wanna be bothered to do that, i am SURE one of your fb friends will GLADLY set it up all for you exactly the way you want).

zero information is being shared by you this way. plenty of people on facebook use fake names or nick names... they have no photos that can identify them etc. why not?

i mean that is a legitimate option... why not?

2) ok this isn't really a question, but for you guys that don't use facebook cuz of privacy issues... you do know that, there are probably pics of you on other ppls albums from group photos and you being in the background of other photos taken by friends or acquaintances. Facebook doesn't need you to have an account to know who you are. Their face detection technology is top notch. You are associated by the people you KNOW on facebook. Facebook already knows about you, the computers on their server have a profile of you, and they've just got no account to match it up with.

People don't understand that they don't have to actually use facebook... as long as their friends and associates use facebook, the fb servers know of a "puzzle piece", that is you, missing from that group... it knows your activities and all that crap cuz it knows what your friends do, and you hang out with your friends.

knowing that you should disconnect with all your friends cuz really... we are facebook. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

you can view it as scary... that's one perspective... or you can view it as super cool, and that we're fucking smart enough to create something smart enough to do that, AND it helps us connect to each other more... and it isn't even TANGIBLE, like some invisible force we have access to. what the fuck? that's CRAZAY.

FB is already using you whether you like it or not, why the fuck not use them back for what they can offer?

[LightKeeper]

The one who gets it backward is you.
You're speaking as if fb is the only way to connect with people.
It is certainly not.

You say most people use fb. There are 1.2 billion users as of 2014. That's not even half of the people that are online. Plus all of the junk account mentioned in the OP and all the people that are leaving fb.

You are pretty much saying fuck you to the rest of the people who aren't using it.

You're gonna do a lot of shit on fb and you create a little club on there so you'd feel special.

That's exactly what kids do so their parents won't be in on it.

It is no doubt that fb is a tool and there are many other tools that does the same thing.

People are leaving fb for a reason. They don't see the need of it.

It is you that cannot accept that fact.

[CharlesInCharge]

I still use carrier pigeons... I even have one for pizza deliveries... of course who other then an elite family as ours, the Rothschild, to have such a setup.
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[underscore]

Again. What you're saying is everyone should use fb just so they can be invited to these events. You're not adding anything constructive here.
People don't want to create fb just to cater to those special and cool kids who like to use it.
You just have to accept the fact that not everyone uses FB.

To be honest, I wouldn't invite through fb if it's such an important event.
Say if I was getting married. I would personally call people that I want to attend my wedding.
I would even send snail mail with my wedding invite. It's more sincere this way.

If all they have is Coke (which is not the case here, there are many other choices), I would rather drink free water.

I am adding something constructive, you're just missing it completely. You're also backwards, for anyone who does use it along with the majority of their social circle then they don't want to have to make exceptions just to cater to the special snowflakes who refuse to use it. I know not everyone uses it, but the large number of people who do tend to use only it for things like basic events.

And of course most people aren't going to use Facebook for wedding invites, but you might use it to ask people for their addresses. Who actually has an up to date list of their friends mailing addresses and home phone numbers anymore?

But you sound too butthurt or hipster (or just dumb as a fucking post) about Facebook to realize that people aren't going to go out of their way to contact someone outside of their main social media hub (whatever site that may be) unless you're quite close.

[Noir]

The one who gets it backward is you.
You're speaking as if fb is the only way to connect with people.
It is certainly not.

You say most people use fb. There are 1.2 billion users as of 2014. That's not even half of the people that are online. Plus all of the junk account mentioned in the OP and all the people that are leaving fb.

You are pretty much saying fuck you to the rest of the people who aren't using it.

You're gonna do a lot of shit on fb and you create a little club on there so you'd feel special.

That's exactly what kids do so their parents won't be in on it.

It is no doubt that fb is a tool and there are many other tools that does the same thing.

People are leaving fb for a reason. They don't see the need of it.

It is you that cannot accept that fact.



I don't know how many times it needs to be repeated to you.

Nobody is denying that FB is the only platform of social media/communication. What he is saying that since it's currently the most dominant one, is why it's currently the most accepted and practiced form of communicating.

This anti-FB sentiment you have primarily because you're against the brand is giving me the impression that you're against it primarily because it's just too "main-stream" for your liking. :rolleyes:



Honestly, I can see why some people delete their account, and it's not because FB is inadequate in any way. I find that it's moreso sometimes, people want to disconnect and I get that. Some people find peace in solace, some people need the peace and quiet (even electronically); and I can totally respect that. But for the rest, refusing to acknowledge Facebook as one of the leading forms of personal or mass communication, well that's just silly. You just want to be special and feel people chasing after you, or go about it the harder way just for 2 minutes (or so) of your time.

[AzNightmare]

I don't know about you. But practically every one I know use Facebook or at least have an account that can be used to reach them (cause it's sync-ed with their phone).

And this was like 4 years ago... Not like any of them just decided to make a new account today, because they suddenly realized that everyone else was using Facebook.

I even know parents (in their 60s) that are using it...


Here's an off-topic True Story:

I have buddy back from highschool (whom I'm not all that close with any more) who still refuses to spend $30~/month for a basic cellphone just because he sees no need for it.
As he says contacting via email or calling his home to arrange plans is sufficient.
And this guy is making like $80k a year, so money is not an issue at all...

To top it off, he still can't drive, has no intention to, because he claims the bus is efficient enough in Vancouver, and obviously doesn't use Facebook either.

Got tiring to hang out with the guy, cause it was just way too difficult to contact him. Also pretty annoying when you're expecting to meet up with him, but he's running behind, and you have no way to contact him.

All this read just reminded me of this guy.
I don't know if he feels like he's special or something by avoiding all this.

:fulloffuck:

[LightKeeper]

like i don't hate on ppl that don't use facebook.

like i REALLY want to know some answers to the questions i have... so to you non facebook users, please answer these.

1) i understand some of you don't wanna share your info with FB. but what's stopping you from creating another email not associated with you... and creating a fb account using a fake name... and having all your close friends add you just so you can be included in these things? (if you don't wanna be bothered to do that, i am SURE one of your fb friends will GLADLY set it up all for you exactly the way you want).

zero information is being shared by you this way. plenty of people on facebook use fake names or nick names... they have no photos that can identify them etc. why not?

i mean that is a legitimate option... why not?

2) ok this isn't really a question, but for you guys that don't use facebook cuz of privacy issues... you do know that, there are probably pics of you on other ppls albums from group photos and you being in the background of other photos taken by friends or acquaintances. Facebook doesn't need you to have an account to know who you are. Their face detection technology is top notch. You are associated by the people you KNOW on facebook. Facebook already knows about you, the computers on their server have a profile of you, and they've just got no account to match it up with.

People don't understand that they don't have to actually use facebook... as long as their friends and associates use facebook, the fb servers know of a "puzzle piece", that is you, missing from that group... it knows your activities and all that crap cuz it knows what your friends do, and you hang out with your friends.

knowing that you should disconnect with all your friends cuz really... we are facebook. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

you can view it as scary... that's one perspective... or you can view it as super cool, and that we're fucking smart enough to create something smart enough to do that, AND it helps us connect to each other more... and it isn't even TANGIBLE, like some invisible force we have access to. what the fuck? that's CRAZAY.

FB is already using you whether you like it or not, why the fuck not use them back for what they can offer?

1) It's not about privacy issue for me. Sure, they do have issues with that but I'm not a big time celebrity to have a problem with that. Honestly, I deleted my account just because I don't see the need of it.

You say you make these events for basic weekly gatherings. It's as simple as making a phone call or whatsapp to someone to set these things up. When that gathering happened, you can just mention "Oh let's do this again next week" That's all.

"People set it up so they don't actually have to use it." Then what is the point of having it?

2) It's not a privacy issue so I'm not going to answer this question. Like I said, the service facebook provides I can get it elsewhere. It's simple as that.

About facebook syncing with the phone. What's the point of having another app installed to waste the phone's RAM when I can use whatsapp to contact my friends the same way.

Of course, people will continue to use fb, but I don't see how it is the dominant platform in communication. I believe even skype can overtake that by a long shot.

Unless people who use facebook wants to meet new people or communicate with people they spoke to once or twice in their life, then I can see why people would want to use it.

I stand my ground about this topic, but it sounded you are the one that is butthurt in your rant just because not everyone uses facebook. I am just telling you that.

[LightKeeper]

Look, I'm not against people who uses facebook.

It was cool for a while but there are just better options out there in this current time.
I chose not to use it because of just that.

People are free to choose which service provider they want.

I think the whole facebook thing got really old.
It's kind of like someone who still uses BBM just because it was BBM.

[rsx]

instagram is better. i'm there to creep that's it. you want to invite me to something, email or text me.

At least you can avoid these type of posts from fb:

1. The overly specific but general lamentation about the gf/bf: "i don't know what to do anymore..."
2. The religious dumbass: "Praise the lord for allowing me to have such a wonderful day"
3. The baby picture spam
4. The people who carry on a chat on a wall instead of pm'ing or texting each other
5. The inspirational post: "Shoot for the moon, if you miss you'll land among the stars."
6. The wannabe comedian: "...wait....what, smh, etc."

[underscore]

^ block them from your feed, problem solved.

[AzNightmare]

About facebook syncing with the phone. What's the point of having another app installed to waste the phone's RAM when I can use whatsapp to contact my friends the same way.

Of course, people will continue to use fb, but I don't see how it is the dominant platform in communication. I believe even skype can overtake that by a long shot.

Unless people who use facebook wants to meet new people or communicate with people they spoke to once or twice in their life, then I can see why people would want to use it.

I stand my ground about this topic, but it sounded you are the one that is butthurt in your rant just because not everyone uses facebook. I am just telling you that.

You're way too stuck up in being anti-Facebook just for the sake of hating the brand. I'm surprised you still use Whatsapp since FB owns them now.

Let me ask you this, why do you use Whatsapp when you can just communicate the same way via text. Or any of the other alternatives to Whatsapp?? Or why use any of these messaging apps at all when it's taking up extra RAM in your phone.

Sure, there are alternatives to Facebook, but about 5-6 years ago, Facebook became dominant, and everyone jumped aboard. It crushed MySpace, Xanga, etc, and whatever else was around at the time.

Few years ago, Google+ comes in, but it's too late because everyone's already using Facebook. I'm sure there's pros and cons with Google+, but unless there's something groundbreaking enough to sway the mass majority toward Google+, most people are still going to be on FB, meaning FB stays the dominant way to remain connected.

Facebook is not the dominant platform in communication. It's the dominant platform in social networking. You're obviously using FB wrong if you're trying to compare Skype vs Facebook, and thinking Skype can overtake by a longshot. Your comparison doesn't even make sense.

OK, I get it... You don't like Facebook, and you rather be on the outside cause you don't want to conform to what majority of people are using. So you go and use some alternative social networking site/app that no one else has an account on. Just don't hate when you get left out, cause all the news about your friends are being posted on FB, and not on your alternative.

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instagram is better. i'm there to creep that's it. you want to invite me to something, email or text me.

At least you can avoid these type of posts from fb:

1. The overly specific but general lamentation about the gf/bf: "i don't know what to do anymore..."
2. The religious dumbass: "Praise the lord for allowing me to have such a wonderful day"
3. The baby picture spam
4. The people who carry on a chat on a wall instead of pm'ing or texting each other
5. The inspirational post: "Shoot for the moon, if you miss you'll land among the stars."
6. The wannabe comedian: "...wait....what, smh, etc."


I can see this list being annoying when they are from acquaintances or random "friends" you're not close with.
You should have deleted them or just remove them from your newsfeed.

1. It is annoying whether it's a close friend or a random. These people need to grow up.
2. If you were religious, and you had friends from church making posts like these, you would want them to share good news.
3. Can be annoying, although a few of my cousins just had their first child within a year ago, and instead of me calling each of them every month to ask about their kid, I can instead, conveniently look at their baby pics.
4. Never really experienced this myself, although if I did see it going that direction, I would just initiate it first, and PM them.
5. These people are annoying too. They should just post/share their accomplishments instead, rather than just talk about what they dream of accomplishing.
6. I don't know any comedians on FB.


Anyway, I'm sure instagram is good too, but I personally never used it, because most people I know in my circle of friends don't use it at all.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

FYI guys facebook accounts for 25% of all north american cyber traffic.

25%...

and lol, i think me and underscore are on the same side for once.



lightkeeper it just sounds like you value your CHOICE over what is actually practical.
i understand where you're coming from... choice is always good... but when it comes down to practicality of pragmatic USE.... the choice doesn't matter, cuz you're always gonna use FB or whichever app MOST people use.

sure i have a choice... G+, etc... but... is excersizing my "freedom of choice" MORE important than how useful the app is?

You may feel that excersizing your will to choose another app makes you feel good, because you can choose something less "mainstream" (you come off that way), or just simply cuz you like how another platform looks, or whatever reason. but it STILL BOILS DOWN TO... no one is on that app... no one is gonna contact you on that app... it's useless.

I think G+ would be awesome, but really, no one uses it. I use it for googlehangouts with one particular group of people that's it...

remember, you're talking to a guy that uses everything. I have every app. every IM chat. imessage, whatsapp, hangouts, wechat, FB messenger, LINE, BBM, skype, kakaotalk, QQ, G+, facebook.
ok it's not ALL of them, but it's enough to cover 99% of all user base.
and you know what? using facebook alone reaches out to 98% of everyone.
i only use the other apps.. ALL those other apps other than facebook, to keep in contact with that 1% that refuse to use FB. that 1% is spread out through ALL those other apps... and most of them are not north american. my japanese and taiwanese friends use LINE, my mainlander friends use wechat (funny actually my anti FB privacy rights people use wechat too cuz they'd rather have their info on chinese servers than american servers LOL what backwards thinking).

I guess they live in north america, theyre afraid of NSA more than the CPC... but yeah.


like examples above of buddy refusing to get a cellphone, or wanting to do things rigidly, a certain way... just cuz of some STUBBORN value... you push everyone else away from you. that is a problem in social cohesion. why you gotta be a statistical out layer man?! make it hard for everyone else... just go with the flow... you got millions and millions of people backing you up on one side, and you're fighting all those people alone on the other side... what... benefit can that cause? If i wrote down all the pros and cons, the pros far outweighs any cons...

there's no objective reason to not use it. unless you're some highly sought out criminal hiding from society...

[underscore]

and lol, i think me and underscore are on the same side for once.

I was about to say something similar :alonehappy:

[LightKeeper]

You're way too stuck up in being anti-Facebook just for the sake of hating the brand. I'm surprised you still use Whatsapp since FB owns them now.

Let me ask you this, why do you use Whatsapp when you can just communicate the same way via text. Or any of the other alternatives to Whatsapp?? Or why use any of these messaging apps at all when it's taking up extra RAM in your phone.



I don't find FB to be practical at all nowadays to connect with the people I already know. I used it mainly for FB chat back then. I totally think they messed up FB beginning from when they try to add in the stupid timeline.

I use Whatsapp now mainly because it is much more practical than FB.
Sure FB owns it now, but if they mess it up, I will definitely move away from Whatsapp also. Like if they add at least one ad on Whatsapp. I will disconnect from it.

Whatsapp is better than texting because I know if they read my message or not.

I've moved on from FB and I don't see the need for me to go back.
You see, people use FB to find new friends. Once they add someone on FB, they will naturally use another platform to communicate with each other.
I'm not looking for new friends so I do not have any purpose with it.
I also realize less and less people log on to FB. It also adds to the factor why I chose to leave it behind.
Really, FB was nothing special. It was just a popularized form of friendster. It's not anything ground breaking.


I seriously can't believe you people love FB this much and you need everyone else to put on your FB sunglasses to look into that "window".

It makes you guys sound like shills for FB.

Put on the glasses... - YouTube

[Noir]

instagram is better. i'm there to creep that's it. you want to invite me to something, email or text me.

At least you can avoid these type of posts from fb:

1. The overly specific but general lamentation about the gf/bf: "i don't know what to do anymore..."
2. The religious dumbass: "Praise the lord for allowing me to have such a wonderful day"
3. The baby picture spam
4. The people who carry on a chat on a wall instead of pm'ing or texting each other
5. The inspirational post: "Shoot for the moon, if you miss you'll land among the stars."
6. The wannabe comedian: "...wait....what, smh, etc."

Correct on all accounts. I hate all the above as well. But...

1) I've mastered the art of skimming; actually this is not too hard to do, and IMO more convenient than complaining.

2) (It's personal choice and this approach isn't just limited to Facebook) but I'd rather have too much info and leave it upon myself which to skim, overlook, ignore vs which I do pay attention to rather than not have any info, or sparse info at my disposal.

[AzNightmare]

I don't find FB to be practical at all nowadays to connect with the people I already know. I used it mainly for FB chat back then. I totally think they messed up FB beginning from when they try to add in the stupid timeline.

I use Whatsapp now mainly because it is much more practical than FB.
Sure FB owns it now, but if they mess it up, I will definitely move away from Whatsapp also. Like if they add at least one ad on Whatsapp. I will disconnect from it.

Whatsapp is better than texting because I know if they read my message or not.

I've moved on from FB and I don't see the need for me to go back.
You see, people use FB to find new friends. Once they add someone on FB, they will naturally use another platform to communicate with each other.
I'm not looking for new friends so I do not have any purpose with it.
I also realize less and less people log on to FB. It also adds to the factor why I chose to leave it behind.
Really, FB was nothing special. It was just a popularized form of friendster. It's not anything ground breaking.


I seriously can't believe you people love FB this much and you need everyone else to put on your FB sunglasses to look into that "window".

It makes you guys sound like shills for FB.

Put on the glasses... - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCdtrOy_H0g)

Like I said, you used FB primarily as a source for chatting. Yes, it can do that, but that's not what's it known for. The fact you only got that out of all the features of FB, it's no doubt you feel there's no need for it.

Not everyone uses FB to find new friends. In fact, I don't think people even do that at all. Unless you're one of those creepers who "poke" random strangers hoping to become BFF or something. People usually meet somewhere, and then exchange FB's in order to keep in touch. I probably haven't added any new people in over 3 years.

FB can keep you updated with acquaintance, or friends that you don't get a chance to talk to on a daily basis, by quickly skimming through the news feed. But hey, maybe you only know like 10 really close people who you really care about, and rather shut out anyone outside of that. Then ok, I understand why you find news on acquaintances or (not super close) friends not important. Although most people don't think like this.

No, it wasn't just a more popularized Friendster (or MySpace). FB was special, because of it's one innovation: News Feed.
In Friendster, in order to get updates on any one, you would manually have to go to each person's profile page. It would be tedious "work".

Imagine reading a newspaper, but the entire paper would just be like a front page of a search engine, where you would have to manually type in what kind of current events you want to look up, instead of just having all the articles of current events laid out for you.

Your logic is hypocritical... If I were to flip this around, it would be like how you want everyone to put on your Whatsapp glasses, just so you don't have to text, because it's too inconvenient for you if you can't see whether your msgs were being read and ignored, or if your friend's are just slow at checking their phones for msgs.

Facebook is just as relevant, practical, and common as Whatsapp. So if you don't have a problem with Whatsapp, I don't know why you have such a big problem with Facebook, as the principle behind this is exactly the same thing.

Most people use Whatsapp for instant messaging, which is why most people have Whatsapp in their phones.

Most people use Facebook for social networking, which is why most people have a Facebook account.

Say you made a group chat in Whatsapp to plan something, and 9/10 friends are in the conversation, but there's this ONE FRIEND who refuses to use Whatsapp. So now you have to switch to your text msg app, or call him up, just to relay the same info that everyone else knows about. That's annoying.


I'm explaining this so you understand, this isn't some Facebook movement that just suddenly started, where everyone's telling other people to get Facebook.
If you don't already have an account by now, you're already like 4 years behind. At this day an age, people are exchanging Facebook to connect, not telling people to make an account so they can connect.

But if you really don't have a circle of friends who are all on Facebook, then whatever, it's fine. Maybe you really don't have any reason to go on Facebook then. But there's still no reason to be anti-Facebook just because it's a useful "tool" you and all your friend's decided not to use.

[LightKeeper]

But if you really don't have a circle of friends who are all on Facebook, then whatever, it's fine. Maybe you really don't have any reason to go on Facebook then. But there's still no reason to be anti-Facebook just because it's a useful "tool" you and all your friend's decided not to use.


Like I said before, I have no prejudice against people who still uses facebook. You like to use it, it's fine. But don't be an ass about people not using it. It just seemed that way in the rant Droma wrote.

Personally, I wouldn't mind to go out of my way to contact someone. Facebook or not. If I want to find someone, I will do it. I don't need people to join facebook for my own convenience so I can find them on there. This is my point.

Also, facebook didn't come out 4 years ago. It came out almost 10 years now so I'm not late on anything. If anything that train has passed.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
It would go on forever if we need to discuss this.

[Noir]

Like I said before, I have no prejudice against people who still uses facebook. You like to use it, it's fine. But don't be an ass about people not using it. It just seemed that way in the rant Droma wrote.

Personally, I wouldn't mind to go out of my way to contact someone. Facebook or not. If I want to find someone, I will do it. I don't need people to join facebook for my own convenience so I can find them on there. This is my point.

Also, facebook didn't come out 4 years ago. It came out almost 10 years now so I'm not late on anything. If anything that train has passed.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
It would go on forever if we need to discuss this.

And how has this train passed?

Maybe you just feel that way because it passed you. AznNightmare is right. I do notice people nowadays upon meeting exchange Facebook accounts instead of phone numbers, why? Because you get so much more with a Facebook connection than you do just by trading phone numbers

[LightKeeper]

And how has this train passed?

Maybe you just feel that way because it passed you. AznNightmare is right. I do notice people nowadays upon meeting exchange Facebook accounts instead of phone numbers, why? Because you get so much more with a Facebook connection than you do just by trading phone numbers

With the rapid changes in technology and the cyber world, I really don't see facebook will be in much use 10 years from now. Google will still thrive because of its search engine capability, but Facebook will struggle because social networking is subjective to everyone. People can live without facebook just fine, but the use of search engine is concrete to everyone. Facebook can just easily be replaced. Facebook tried many attempts to stay relevant, they even tried to make their own smartphone which turned out to be a disaster. The company is hanging on because of its subsidiaries at the moment. Unless facebook has an other innovative makeover, I really don't see how facebook.com can make it for the next 10 years. Same goes for twitter too, but twitter is different because people can follow celebrities/niche topics.

I do feel that it has passed me by. People will get bored of it eventually. It's just my opinion though. I know some people still like to use it.

It's the other way around for me. People usually ask for my number first and when I ask about fb, the usual reply for me is "yeah okay, but I dont log in that much anymore" or I dont have it. I'm guessing its the different people we meet.

[LightKeeper]

This is interesting in a business point of view.
How can they stay relevant in the future?

Here's an interesting article from Forbes.
Will Facebook Marketing Be Relevant In 2015? - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaysondemers/2014/04/24/will-facebook-marketing-be-relevant-in-2015/)

The article shows two sides of the opinion, but the ultimate question is how will they stay relevant?