[Harvey Specter]

I'm speechless...

Residents have begun killing and eating dogs early in celebration of the summer solstice in a bid to avoid protests by animal rights campaigners.
Some residents of the southern Chinese city of Yulin started gathering last weekend and eating dog meat and lychees to celebrate the longest day of the year, ahead of Saturday's actual solstice, state media reported.
The locals wanted to avoid protests which have in recent years seen the festival, slaughterhouses and markets selling dogs targeted as part of a social media campaign and ongoing online petition against the practice.

Pictures of the dead dogs have spoiler tags;

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The public uproar reflects the increasing affluence of ordinary Chinese, who keep pets, travel overseas and are changing attitudes toward traditions they may not have questioned before.
Photos on state media showed groups of Yulin city residents tucking into plates of meat and vegetables around dining tables strewn with lychees. Other photos, which circulated widely on Chinese microblogs, were of skinned, cooked dogs hanging from hooks at street stalls or piled on tables.
Under the Yulin tradition, eating dog and lychee and drinking liquor on the solstice is supposed to make people stay healthy during winter. It is unclear if the supposed health benefits diminish if the feast occurs before the actual solstice.


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Animal rights activists say the event is a public health risk because the dogs undergo no quarantine to ensure they are free of disease, and that they are strays grabbed off streets around the country, as well as allegedly stolen from pet owners. The dogs are often poisoned with toxic chemicals that could be harmful to humans, they say.

Deng Yidan, an activist with Animals Asia, said the public backlash hurts the image of Yulin and China.
'Negative coverage is growing — dog theft, criminal activities, food hygiene issues, and rabies fears — not to mention the division in society between those for and against the festival — together these have brought significantly more negative publicity to Yulin than economic benefits,' Deng said in a statement.


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The Yulin government has sought to distance itself from the feasting, saying it is not officially endorsed. State media reports say the government told restaurants to remove references to dog meat from their menus and signboards — though it did not ban the sale and consumption of the meat, which is not illegal in China.
The government has denied the formal existence of such a festival, saying it is a culinary habit practiced only by some businesses and people.
Public pressure stopped another dog meat festival, in eastern Zhejiang province, which was cancelled in 2011 despite dating back hundreds of years.


Read more: China under fire for celebrating summer solstice with DOG-EATING event | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2661107/China-dog-eaters-dodge-activists-early-feast.html#ixzz359kzfvLA)
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[$_$]

Again I don't understand why it's cruel and unusual to eat dogs but perfectly okay to eat cows and chicken and pigs. There are breeding farms that breed dogs for the purpose of consumption, how is that any different than beef and chicken? Is eating kangaroos not okay? Is eating insects not okay? Rabbits? Guinea pigs? What about snakes? Just because the western culture finds dogs adorable should not mean that they should trample on other people's traditional cuisines. Some places like India treat cows which we massacre as Gods.

[SkinnyPupp]

I have nothing against eating any animal in particular, but the way they treat the dogs is what disturbs me.

These people aren't normal farmers who herd cattle or sheep on a ranch, these are people who roam the streets looking for strays, and locking them up in cages... And I'm sure we've all seen the footage of what happens after that.

[EmperorIS]

I'm just glad they aren't eating babies......

[badboy]

^well there is a bit of a population crisis over there so...:pokerface:

[Gululu]

Wtf is a summer solstice DOG-EATING event? never heard of such bullshit event.
I'm 100% sure this is just another round of attacks by western media to make china look bad. this tactics is old.
also, notice they are using old photos, not current by half a decade.
dog ownership is rising so high that the pet business is booming. i personally know so many dog lovers, this simply wont happen in today's china.

[EmperorIS]

Wtf is a summer solstice DOG-EATING event? never heard of such bullshit event.
I'm 100% sure this is just another round of attacks by western media to make china look bad. this tactics is old.
also, notice they are using old photos, not current by half a decade.
dog ownership is rising so high that the pet business is booming. i personally know so many dog lovers, this simply wont happen in today's china.

its probably one village in China consisting of like 30 people who has one really old tradition where they were so poor before they had to eat dogs to survive. But now a western media found out about it and made a big deal out of it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Wtf is a summer solstice DOG-EATING event? never heard of such bullshit event.
I'm 100% sure this is just another round of attacks by western media to make china look bad. this tactics is old.
also, notice they are using old photos, not current by half a decade.
dog ownership is rising so high that the pet business is booming. i personally know so many dog lovers, this simply wont happen in today's china.
It's very real, they protest this every year in Hong Kong

Why is it that whenever there's a negative story about China, it's automatically "western propaganda"?

[320icar]

Wtf is a summer solstice DOG-EATING event? never heard of such bullshit event.
I'm 100% sure this is just another round of attacks by western media to make china look bad. this tactics is old.

mainland china needs no help from western society to make themselves look bad.

[SkinnyPupp]

its probably one village in China consisting of like 30 people who has one really old tradition where they were so poor before they had to eat dogs to survive. But now a western media found out about it and made a big deal out of it.
Dog and cat eating is very prevalent all over china. Hell one time I saw a cat hanging in the window at a dim sum restaurant in guangzhou, right next to the char siu and roast duck.

It's a very taboo thing in most places, but not china. Hell even villagers in hong kong are somewhat infamous for eating stray mongrels. Dog rescuers have to take care in who they allow to adopt their dogs.

[scottsman]

Living in Vietnam I wouldn't say eating dogs is common but a decent amount of people still eat it on a regular basis, less in the bigger cities and more in the countryside as well. Probably more prevalent in the north which boarders China.

The pictures you have presented as so called "evidence" is extremely misleading as well. You take pictures from what looks like a pretty big dog market and then have pictures of random breeds of dogs in cages. Who is to say the pictures of the roasted dogs are not from a proper breeding farm? All the dogs that are roasted look about the same size, shape, etc...

Really the thing that needs to be done about dog consumption is how they are treated, transported and most importantly where they come from. The actual consumption of the meat is not an issue.

[Nlkko]

I have nothing against eating any animal in particular, but the way they treat the dogs is what disturbs me.

These people aren't normal farmers who herd cattle or sheep on a ranch, these are people who roam the streets looking for strays, and locking them up in cages... And I'm sure we've all seen the footage of what happens after that.

This. There exists many lowest scums on Earth who roam the street and would not hesitate to bait, drug and kill your pet dog to sell for money. Rural or urban area alike. They even bait and kill dogs inside gated houses.

No idea about China but this is not uncommon in Vietnam. Better not let that pet dog out of your sight because it's as good as dead if you do.

[GS8]

So is the issue with eating Dogs or is the issue with theft, poisoning and inhumane treatment of the Dogs? I couldn't tell based on the stupid comments left in the link's comment section.

Because any animal for consumption especially one of traditional and cultural purpose should be killed humanely and the people should behave with ethical standards in mind. The animals should be treated with respect and held in high regard due to their 'sacrifice' for this feast.

If people are running around, sweeping up strays and other's pets, then that is just dumb, greedy and fucking dangerous. I am against that.

But I have nothing against what people eat in their culture. It's not as if the domesticated dog is going extinct. They will breed and breed. People need to eat. We came from a hunter / gatherer society and depended on livestock to settle down and build cities. We didn't kill them because we were monsters. We killed them because they served us and helped us grow so we could breed more of them and repeat the cycle in a responsible manner.

But you can't use logic against a dumb ignorant fuck swept up in Disney movies and Facebook.

[rsx]

I'm a meat eater. I own a dog, and I don't see anything wrong with eating dogs so long as they're bred and treated humanely.

I've always held the position that animals being killed at shelters, ie:cats/dogs or those rabbits in victoria, should all be food for the homeless.

[nma]

I have nothing against eating any animal in particular, but the way they treat the dogs is what disturbs me.

These people aren't normal farmers who herd cattle or sheep on a ranch, these are people who roam the streets looking for strays, and locking them up in cages... And I'm sure we've all seen the footage of what happens after that.


I'm pretty sure most animals for consumption get treated like shit.. NOT ALL but most.

[StylinRed]

:rofl: reading some of the comments on these "animal lovers" sites are hilarious "dogs aren't livestock! you can't torture them that way, they're here to serve us" goes on to wish chinese death :lol and "god created dogs to honor us" :lol

the story reminds me that i've got lychees in the fridge :sweetjesus:

[zilley]

as gay as this may sound, this really breaks my heart as a dog lover/owner.

[white rocket]

as gay as this may sound, this really breaks my heart as a dog lover/owner.

My heart just broke a little bit. It really comes down to the way they are treated while they are alive. Once the animal is dead then it shouldn't matter right? Suffering and distress is the issue; not the consumption of the meat.

[Qmx323]

I love my dogs but lets be honest, dogs are animals and if humans were placed in a situation where the only meat source were dogs... then by all means eat them.

For those who use the "but they're our pets" argument, people out there have pigs and cows as pets... and look what we do to them
Side note: dogs look like giant rats without hair :suspicious:

[underscore]

I have no issue with what people eat, only how it is treated prior to consumption.

[$_$]

I have nothing against eating any animal in particular, but the way they treat the dogs is what disturbs me.

These people aren't normal farmers who herd cattle or sheep on a ranch, these are people who roam the streets looking for strays, and locking them up in cages... And I'm sure we've all seen the footage of what happens after that.

When's the last time you saw a cattle or sheep farm that's being used for mass consumption? The meat you eat comes from a cow/sheep/pig/chicken factory, not some farm wonderland utopia. The get bred in Factory A, gets put on a conveyor belt to Factory B where they get slaughted and bled out, then to Factory C to get cut up, and then to Factory D to get packaged.

Let's pretend for a moment that your assumption is correct, that "some of these dogs are from these guys that go around preying on strays and putting them in cages” - please explain to me how that's any different than you going out with a camouflage suit and hunting a deer or a pigeon to eat. Just because we live in an urban environment that somehow makes hunting animals for the purpose of killing them and eating their flesh not morally acceptable? I don't see people making a huge fuss over bear hunting and people don't even eat that shit. What's going to happen to those strays anyway? Already we know nobody gives a shit about them, and there are huge stray dogs population problems all over, causing nuisances to people. Best case scenario it gets picked up by the local animal control and gets put down in a quick and what I hope is painless death. Worst case scenario it continues to forage the city for scraps of garbage and dies in a multitude of ways. In an area of the world where protein is a luxury for the local population, who are you to say that it's not acceptable to eat what's available to their indigenous environment?

But let's backtrack and be realistic here. If you were a restaurant that serves dogs or cats as a delicacy, you ain't gonna be buying strays to serve to your customers because it's gonna taste like shit. Food is all about fresh ingredients, and nobody's going to buy sick stray dogs to serve to their clients just like they won't buy sick cows that weren't bred properly that has a 100% diet of garbage. Like I already said, people breed these animals for food because they like how it tastes and it's supposed to be healthy for you. The assumption that there are somehow bandits of these "dog predators" who "kidnap" people's pet so they can cook and eat them is ridiculous. Why would anyone go through the trouble of going through all of that when dogs are notoriously easy to breed?

If anyone wants to campaign against animal cruelty, all the power to them. I love dogs, and I also love cows and chickens. Animal cruelty is fucked up but universal and the source of the meat should not matter. Don't discriminate and don't tell other people what they can and cannot eat.

[multicartual]

as gay as this may sound, this really breaks my heart as a dog lover/owner.


Expressing your feelings isn't gay, it's important and brave to speak up


Fucking a man in the ass is gay

[StylinRed]

Expressing your feelings isn't gay, it's important and brave to speak up


Fucking a man in the ass is gay

:suspicious: you draw the line @ the ass eh

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

:suspicious: you draw the line @ the ass eh

if two men are sexually engaged, they might not necessarily both be gay. but you can almost 100% be certain the one who's dick is getting rubbed the right way is the gay one.

unless you're in an american prison. apparently there it's not gay. lol.

[maksimizer]

I dont know about you guys, but i prefer eating pussy

[white rocket]

well, this thread got weird :gayfight:

[Ronin]

Look...those dogs aren't your pet dog. They're animals bred for food just like any other animal bred for food and it's meat just like any other meat.

That being said, I could totally butcher a cow or a chicken or a pig or whatever but I'm not sure I want to handle a dead dog like that.

[scottsman]

No idea about China but this is not uncommon in Vietnam. Better not let that pet dog out of your sight because it's as good as dead if you do.

Sorry but this is not correct. Sure it happens but not to the extreme that you are trying to imply.

[multicartual]

if two men are sexually engaged, they might not necessarily both be gay. but you can almost 100% be certain the one who's dick is getting rubbed the right way is the gay one.

unless you're in an american prison. apparently there it's not gay. lol.


After X number of years in the joint everyone is going to have had some man-on-man at some point just to get off pretty much

When you think abiout it, if you could have sex with women while in jail it would actually almost be a twisted paradise of some sorts. MUCH better than being homeless you'd think:

Wake up safe in your free bed next to a woman. When you get up she leaves. Go shower and get fed for free. Go to a workshop and make something simple like license plates. After a 2 hour shift you get to have sex with an STD-free prostitute employed by the jail, or, say a girlfriend who visits you once before noon and sleeps over at night. Then have lunch. Go outside and work out or play some sports, shoot the shit with other guys. Back inside for some more labour or schoolwork until 4-5 PM. Dinner. Then back to your cell to read a book, watch TV and have sex with your ho/girlfriend until lights out at 10 or whatever.

Not bad, sounds like fun for awhile!

I think jail is WORSE because you lose access to women over freedom. Losing freedom sucks, but losing access to women is the worst part about it.

[GS8]

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[SkinnyPupp]

They're animals bred for food just like any other animal bred for food and it's meat just like any other meat.

Do you know this for a fact?

Pigs, cows, and chickens have been bred for thousands of years to be food. They are docile, and pretty much enjoy their lives being fed all day. (despite the BS you see of miserable cows being penned up, most actually have access to plenty of room. And when it's time to go in to eat, they're just as happy as they are being led out)

Dogs have been bred for thousands of years to be guardians, protectors, and companions. It's a relatively new thing for them to be thrown into cages, kept in captivity, then basically tortured before being cooked. And besides, like I said before, most of these dogs aren't bred as meat. They're usually stray mongrels rounded up by dog catchers, thrown into cages, and eaten.

I don't know of any dog farms that exist to breed them for food. The whole reason they eat them is because they're basically free meat; for poor people, meat is very expensive usually.

Obviously they're not eating pure bred dogs, although if one gets away and is spotted, I'm sure it gets collected just like any other.

I have no idea whether these food-dog farms exist. If you know this for a fact, I'm interested to hear more about them. Because AFAIK, my account is more accurate. It sure seems more plausible... Why would you have farms to raise dogs when there are so many roaming the streets that you can snatch up and eat?

[DragonChi]

Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) - What is a CAFO? | Region 7 | US EPA (http://www.epa.gov/rgytgrnj/water/cafo/index.htm)

[Ludepower]

I have no idea whether these food-dog farms exist. If you know this for a fact, I'm interested to hear more about them. Because AFAIK, my account is more accurate. It sure seems more plausible... Why would you have farms to raise dogs when there are so many roaming the streets that you can snatch up and eat?

Stray dogs would be killed...not left roaming around causing a nuisance.
There's a demand from restaurants for dog meat. So a reliable source from a dog farmer is how they get their meat.
And a farm can be someone backyard.

[donjalapeno]

sick fucks...

Not all animals are meant to eaten you need to draw the line somewhere. I swear humans are the most cruel and evil creatures on earth. I hope everyone that participated in the event catches rabies from the meat.

For the people that say its not any different from eating a cow or a pig. A cow and a pig get bolt to the head with a pressurized air gun and die immediately without any pain, torture or sufferings, and just like skinny pupp explained they almost like the life of eating and sleeping all day. These dogs get tortured for hours/days before they get a dull knife to the neck without any humane standards.


Atleast in most of the world Slaughter houses are regulated and inspected for both humane slaughtering and food safety.

According to wiki...

Canada[edit]
In Canada, the handling and slaughter of food animals is a shared responsibility of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), industry, stakeholders, transporters, operators and every person who handles live animals. Canadian law requires that all federally registered slaughter establishments ensure that all species of food animals are handled and slaughtered humanely. The CFIA verifies that federal slaughter establishments are compliant with the Meat Inspection Regulations. The CFIA's humane slaughter requirements take effect when the animals arrive at the federally registered slaughter establishment. Industry is required to comply with the Meat Inspection Regulations for all animals under their care. The Meat Inspection Regulations define the conditions for the humane slaughter of all species of food animals in federally registered establishments. Some of the provisions contained in the regulations include:

guidelines and procedures for the proper unloading, holding and movement of animals in slaughter facilities
requirements for the segregation and handling of sick or injured animals
requirements for the humane slaughter of food animals[7]
United Kingdom[edit]
Animal slaughter in the UK is governed under both its own laws and EU law regarding slaughter. The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is the main governing body responsible for legislation and codes of practice covering animal slaughter in the UK.

In the UK the methods of slaughter are largely the same as those used in the United States with some differences. The use of captive bolt equipment and electrical stunning are approved methods of stunning sheep, goats, cattle and calves for consumption[6]- with the use of gas reserved for swine.[8]

United States[edit]
In the United States, the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) specifies the approved methods of livestock slaughter:[9]

Each of these methods is outlined in detail, and the regulations require that inspectors identify operations which cause "undue" "excitement and discomfort" of animals.

In 1958, the law that is enforced today by the USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) was passed as the Humane Slaughter Act of 1978. This Act requires the proper treatment and humane handling of all food animals slaughtered in USDA inspected slaughter plants. It does not apply to chickens or other birds.[10]

So yes a poor scared sick dog trapped in a cage with other dogs with no room to move in the blazing sun for days until slaughtered alive by some fucked up people is much different than a cow living in a clean environment with plenty to eat and plenty of room to move with no diseases and slaughtered in a humane way.

[moldex]

riff raff must hate china

[Gucci Mane]

Dogs have been bred for thousands of years to be guardians, protectors, and companions. It's a relatively new thing for them to be thrown into cages, kept in captivity, then basically tortured before being cooked.

THIS

/Thread.

[StylinRed]

"cows" were domesticated to be draft/worker animals around 10,000 years ago to haul goods, plow lands, etc they were a sign of wealth
dogs were domesticated 30k years ago to be working/hunting animals and supposedly didn't become pets on a widespread scale until after WW2 (thats from wiki noting Mark Derr) and even then they wouldn't begin to stay in the house until after the 60's

so what that westerners decided to change the relationship of the working animal to pet around 70yrs ago? (they used to eat dog meat pre-war)

Americans depended on dog meat in the 20th century
South Koreans continue to eat dog meat on a widespread scale
Canada still allows dog meat for sale as long as its inspected
Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yada yada yadda this is being made too big of a deal! I wouldn't consider trying it or eating at a place that serves it but I'm fine with the fact that there are those who would eat it

[Yodamaster]

Again I don't understand why it's cruel and unusual to eat dogs but perfectly okay to eat cows and chicken and pigs. There are breeding farms that breed dogs for the purpose of consumption, how is that any different than beef and chicken? Is eating kangaroos not okay? Is eating insects not okay? Rabbits? Guinea pigs? What about snakes? Just because the western culture finds dogs adorable should not mean that they should trample on other people's traditional cuisines. Some places like India treat cows which we massacre as Gods.


For me it's not about the dogs, it's the fucked up reasoning behind the event.

"Under the Yulin tradition, eating dog and lychee and drinking liquor on the solstice is supposed to make people stay healthy during winter. It is unclear if the supposed health benefits diminish if the feast occurs before the actual solstice."


BULLSHIT.



"Under Murica tradition, eating big macs and fries while drinking boxed wine on the 4th of July is supposed to give muricans golden piss."

[multicartual]

Real? Fake?

Vendor Tortures Dogs To Push Dog Lovers To Buy At High Price
At 9:00 on the 20th, in Yulin dog meat market, A vendor shouts"You buying? If you don't buy, I clip it to death!" Trying to get some of the more emotional shoppers to buy his 'goods'

Vendors say they do so because those dog lovers are making trouble at otherwise normal market.

"Buy it? 600!" Yells the vendor.

A trio of dog carers has been spending a lot of money buying over a dozen dogs in the market.
They had to bargain with the dog sellers, hoping a little cheaper.

"500! ...... 400!" Dog traders trying to stop Zhao Jie's (of the 3) outcry.

Eventually, Zhao Jie to 350 yuan to buy a dog.

http://v.ifeng.com/vblog/dv/2014006/04625f86-75b3-4c75-b724-3461426d8760.shtml

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=258_1403343555#khBs88vq9aWAxbpp.99

LiveLeak.com - Vendor Tortures Dogs To Push Dog Lovers To Buy At High Price

[Gucci Mane]

ban multicartual for posting that video. that shit is fucked.

[multicartual]

????????

[white rocket]

Spoiler that shit y0! :heckno:

[multicartual]

K sorry!!!

[westopher]

I've learned to be a little more objective on matters as I've gotten older, although I hate the idea of eating dog due to my emotional attachment, its unfair for me to judge it as wrong if the animal was raised to be food and killed in the most humane way possible. I eat meat, and I don't believe anyone who doesn't should judge me for that, but if I saw someone TORTURING an animal or even threatening to, especially a dog, I'd fucking beat them until they were unable to breathe without the help of a machine.

[AAnthony]

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[E-SPEC]

Those people look more like animals than the dogs themselves.

[GS8]

Summer Solstice, so you know what that means!

Yulin dog meat festival: Business 'booming' despite international outcry over cruel tradition - Asia - World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-business-booming-as-dog-meat-festival-gets-underway-10333781.html)

[flagella]

I thought this thread should've ended with the first reply.

[SkinnyPupp]

I thought this thread should've ended with the first reply.
As I explained in my reply, you can't compare this to farming chickens and pigs, or even hunting turkey and deer. Ronin is incorrect in saying these dogs are bred for this festival. They aren't - the people go around the villages rounding up "strays" (that are often more pets than strays). Villagers have taken up to defending their dogs, to the point of physical altercation.

Like I said in my reply, I have nothing against people who want to eat dog meat. However rounding them up into cages isn't like farming or hunting. And you see how they treat them too (they idiotically think that torturing them makes them taste better)

There are some things fine with this practice, but specifically what these people are doing is fucked up.

[Ronin]

Well shit, I assumed they were all the same breed and thus bred for food since they all seem to look the same. No one is eating poodles. They all look like that muscled, short hair breed.

But if someone's stealing pets for food, that's fucked.

[Gucci Mane]

Well shit, I assumed they were all the same breed and thus bred for food since they all seem to look the same. No one is eating poodles. They all look like that muscled, short hair breed.

But if someone's stealing pets for food, that's fucked.

theres that and they also don't put the dogs down in a humane way. they're often tortured before their cooked. ie. boiled alive to get all the fur off of them which also "enriches" the meat because of the adrenaline that pumps through them as their being boiled alive.



i'm depressed now and not coming back into this thread. fuck you gs8 for bumping it.

[Timpo]

During Thanks Giving and Xmas, mass killing of turkeys occur in the Western countries.

[Gucci Mane]

During Thanks Giving and Xmas, mass killing of turkeys occur in the Western countries.

yes and in most places in the states, they use dogs to retrieve the dead turkeys. :)

[flagella]

As I explained in my reply, you can't compare this to farming chickens and pigs, or even hunting turkey and deer. Ronin is incorrect in saying these dogs are bred for this festival. They aren't - the people go around the villages rounding up "strays" (that are often more pets than strays). Villagers have taken up to defending their dogs, to the point of physical altercation.

Like I said in my reply, I have nothing against people who want to eat dog meat. However rounding them up into cages isn't like farming or hunting. And you see how they treat them too (they idiotically think that torturing them makes them taste better)

There are some things fine with this practice, but specifically what these people are doing is fucked up.

Not being a pessimist but there's nothing you can do to stop them. Every country goes through it stages and it will take some time.

[willystyle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfaZeIxHFUM

Let's set it straight. This video talks about the Yulin festival. As far as the video is concerned, most of the dogs used for the festival are from dog farms. With a small percentage being from the streets, as they are concerned that there isn't enough to go around.

The reporter is fuckin cute.

[multicartual]

People are much, much, much more likely to share and watch a video if it has a beautiful woman in it

[SkinnyPupp]

Not being a pessimist but there's nothing you can do to stop them. Every country goes through it stages and it will take some time.
You can stop them. Dog eating is banned in many countries

[JaPoola]

Again I don't understand why it's cruel and unusual to eat dogs but perfectly okay to eat cows and chicken and pigs. There are breeding farms that breed dogs for the purpose of consumption, how is that any different than beef and chicken? Is eating kangaroos not okay? Is eating insects not okay? Rabbits? Guinea pigs? What about snakes? Just because the western culture finds dogs adorable should not mean that they should trample on other people's traditional cuisines. Some places like India treat cows which we massacre as Gods.

Dogs are exponentially more intelligent than cows or chicken. Thus, humankind has taken a liking to them. Most people don't want to consume other intelligent beings I guess? We associate cows and chicken with food. Dogs are our companions.

Since it's 2015, we expect China to be a "civilized" country. "Civilized" countries don't eat dogs. That's why I think most people are outraged at this.

[PiuYi]

I completely disagree with saying eating "farmed dogs" is the same as cattle and chickens.

Dogs are instinctively trustful and loyal to humans. Their lives revolve around us and they react to our every move, every sound. They rely on us to provide for them, and in exchange they are loyal companions. We have a special bond with them that's unlike any other, as I'm sure any dog owner would attest to. They're truly man's best friend, and eating them is a betrayal of that friendship.

[Manic!]

I completely disagree with saying eating "farmed dogs" is the same as cattle and chickens.

Dogs are instinctively trustful and loyal to humans. Their lives revolve around us and they react to our every move, every sound. They rely on us to provide for them.

Just like a slave relies on it's master. Humans have made dogs useless dogs could and some still can survive on there own.

[multicartual]

I would cry if I saw someone eating a corgi burger

[CP.AR]

I don't know man. Sometimes I really feel like these things were written with a goal... A goal other than to expose the inhumane treatment.

[Gululu]

I don't know man. Sometimes I really feel like these things were written with a goal... A goal other than to expose the inhumane treatment.

well yea. the goal is to demonize china and chinese people as all dog eaters. to portray chinese are evil and cruel. old trick, works well, westerners love exposing these kind of issues (such as portraying chinese eat dogs, corrupt money buy houses in bc, human rights in china), turning situtation into a them vs us scenario. westerners actually dont want these issues to be resolved in china, because they want to be the white knight that have the upperhand when it comes to ethics and moral.

[Qmx323]

Instead of the "cruellest" festival lets make this thread a "cruller" festival
http://www.krispykreme.com/SharedContent/User/f9/f9c17f0e-20de-48d5-ab86-36ec95ab504c.png

[tinico]

I completely disagree with saying eating "farmed dogs" is the same as cattle and chickens.

Dogs are instinctively trustful and loyal to humans. Their lives revolve around us and they react to our every move, every sound. They rely on us to provide for them, and in exchange they are loyal companions. We have a special bond with them that's unlike any other, as I'm sure any dog owner would attest to. They're truly man's best friend, and eating them is a betrayal of that friendship.

Agreed, but I would like to point out that, maybe, all animals at least more than you might expect, have that loyalty/behavior. For example, about 20 years ago my cousin got gifted two chicks, her parents did not let her keep them so we took them and raised them, they lived in the yard. Where I lived all yards are fenced or walled. Surprisingly, as they grew they behaved like dogs, they would greet us when walking out of the house or when coming back home, all excited, as strangers would pass by the house they would defend the property just like a dog would, without the barking of course, but they would make sounds. They would also come on command, they would not play fetch though. Also if a stranger/friend they were not used to would come in they would attack/defend us. We did end up giving them away... my mom would go crazy, they pooped everywhere in her garden, tables chairs cars...
Same story with my uncle who raised a pig as house pet.

So maybe eating "farmed animals" is the same, either it be dog, cat, cattle, duck.... since they can all be loyal to their owners. It's all about the purpose we raise them for.

I would like to add, we are no better with our rodeos. Some of those bulls, calves are totally peaceful, but for our entertainment, we whip them, taze them in order to get them to play the part.

[tinico]

At least the asian culture with eating dogs/cats... is about feeding yourself.

At the rodeo it's for entertainment, I find that troubling and shameful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihJ0c7xtXFM

[flagella]

You can stop them. Dog eating is banned in many countries

I hope you know well enough about China that a ban would not work.

[SkinnyPupp]

I hope you know well enough about China that a ban would not work.
I know full well that laws are rarely enforced in China unless it's to protect the government itself. But when the public is highly concerned, they tend to act.

If this is just one group of people doing this once a year, it would be quite easy to put an end to it, if they wanted to.

[!LittleDragon]

If anyone has bothered to do some research... Dog meat is actually not banned or illegal in many western nations. It's legal in Canada.

I'm not sure why people concentrate their efforts on one festival in one town when animals all over the world have their throats slit and bled alive under the guise of being Kosher or Halal. Pick the easy target that won't fight back?

[ilovebacon]

I think it is because of our economy, its a lot whole better than it is compare to other countries. If i was poor and living in a bad environment, I would too eat dog as I have to struggle to live. Once you guys have visit third world countries you'll realize how lucky you are to live in Canada.

[multicartual]

I think it is because of our economy, its a lot whole better than it is compare to other countries. If i was poor and living in a bad environment, I would too eat dog as I have to struggle to live. Once you guys have visit third world countries you'll realize how lucky you are to live in Canada.


Lived in Costa Rica for a year


Life there is cheap, hard and fast

[westopher]

I think it is because of our economy, its a lot whole better than it is compare to other countries. If i was poor and living in a bad environment, I would too eat dog as I have to struggle to live. Once you guys have visit third world countries you'll realize how lucky you are to live in Canada.
The rational people are not bringing up the point necessarily about them eating dog meat. Its the barbaric treatment they receive prior to death.

[Ball.J.Inder]

Lulz as if American or Canadian meat factories(yes factories, because there is almost no such thing as ranches anymore) treat cows and chickens any better? And we're supposed to be the "civilized" people. Ignorance is the real reason people are so butthurt dogs are being eaten.

[westopher]

You act like the people criticizing this AREN'T criticizing treatment of animals anywhere else. I have issues with how animals are treated in this country as well. However comparing boiling a dog alive to the single bolt that kills a cow in an instant isn't valid.

[GS8]

I stopped eating Crab and Lobster after watching them get thrown in boiling water.

My family used to bring them home from the store in a plastic bag. They would chirp, move around in the bag and try to get out.

This was over 20 years ago. I think they got it from Rupert Fish Market. Needless to say, I don't miss eating them.

[SkinnyPupp]

Apparently it's shut down this year? Can anyone make sense of this?

http://news.mingpao.com/ins/%E7%8E%89%E6%9E%97%E7%8B%97%E8%82%89%E7%AF%80%E5%8 1%9C%E8%BE%A6%20%20%E8%AD%A6%E6%96%B9%E4%BB%8D%E5% 8A%A0%E5%BC%B7%E6%88%92%E5%82%99/web_tc/article/20150621/s00004/1434870501087

[Qmx323]

^ yeah something along the lines of

"under public scrutiny the officials of the Yulin festival have cancelled the event, and police forces have been called to keep things civil around the vendors"

but lets be honest, everyone is still gonna be eating dog... just in their privacy and not out in the streets

[racerman88]

Good to hear

[!LittleDragon]

Yeah, forgot to bring that up. Petitions started popping up on my facebook feed over a month ago.

At the time, I did some critical analysis to see if it's a real event or if it's some bs animal activists made up (they make a lot of things up). I couldn't find any indication that it was happening this year and it was shut down shortly after last years event.

If people did a little digging into the petitions they're signing, they would've known the petition was to try and stop an event that wasn't going to happen anyways.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah, forgot to bring that up. Petitions started popping up on my facebook feed over a month ago.

At the time, I did some critical analysis to see if it's a real event or if it's some bs animal activists made up (they make a lot of things up). I couldn't find any indication that it was happening this year and it was shut down shortly after last years event.

If people did a little digging into the petitions they're signing, they would've known the petition was to try and stop an event that wasn't going to happen anyways.
It happens every single year. This is the first time it has been successful.

[ae101]

i dont eat live animals anymore, only dead ones(aka nothing fresh slaughtered period)

i have had dead dog meat before & seriously it was delicious
meat was very tender

what turn out to a joke, became very real for me

i was in the outskirts of guangzhou i believe & its pretty dirty/disgusting place as there was garbage everywhere (the outskirt was known to for eating dogs i heard)

i told them that i dont eat anything live/fresh, so what i was eating was suppose to be already dead

i didnt look at the dogs in the cage as there was an old chinese saying:

"never touch your baby in the forehead if your gonna sell it/put it up for adoption" as this will give u 2nd thoughts, which is exactly why i didnt check out the dog cage (didnt wanna waste the trip)

i cant really exactly tell u how it was made as im not too sure, (not sure if im even allowed to say how) but there was a lot of ginger, onions (different kinds) & garlic in pot, & just slow cook it

mind u this was like 3 years ago when i first came back to guangzhou & my coworker was still alive

i remember watching the local news & there was a protest going on about eating dogs, i mentioned it to my coworker & she said "well u wanna try it, i know where it is"

i said "sure why not" as joke & that what happened, sorry no pics as i was sure no one i knew would be interested in seeing pics of dog meat & also they might think i was someone from CCTV national news (if its something super serious then if would be on CCTV national news)

[!LittleDragon]

What I was saying was the ban did not happen recently. There are still petitions circulating calling for it's ban that started after after the fact. There are recent articles that can be found on Google News calling for the ban as well.

A little critical analysis and they would've know that it was banned in 2014.

[SkinnyPupp]

What I was saying was the ban did not happen recently. There are still petitions circulating calling for it's ban that started after after the fact. There are recent articles that can be found on Google News calling for the ban as well.

A little critical analysis and they would've know that it was banned in 2014.
The story I posted was from today... Are you saying they banned it then forgot and banned it again? What's your source?

[!LittleDragon]

Ricky Gervais backs Canadian?s bid to end dog-eating festival in China | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/06/10/ricky-gervais-backs-canadians-bid-to-end-dog-eating-festival-in-china.html)

The local government said the festival was banned in 2014, but numerous reports indicate the tradition continued last year and will happen again in 2015.

That article along with not being able to find indication that it was happening this year (outside of animal activist sites) was good enough for me. I wasn't going to learn the language to verify the article. Whether the locals choose to obey the ban or not is another issue.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ricky Gervais backs Canadian?s bid to end dog-eating festival in China | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/06/10/ricky-gervais-backs-canadians-bid-to-end-dog-eating-festival-in-china.html)



That article along with not being able to find indication that it was happening this year (outside of animal activist sites) was good enough for me. I wasn't going to learn the language to verify the article. Whether the locals choose to obey the ban or not is another issue.
The very quote you posted says it wasn't banned last year...

[!LittleDragon]

I read it as banned in 2014 but happened anyways.

If a ban is what these petitions are trying to accomplish, it's already done. If everyone wants to actually stop these things from happening then people need to do more than point fingers and say it's wrong. They need their beliefs changed.

[Culverin]

Here's what my reading has told me.



Estimated 40,000 dogs killed.
Sources of the dogs for slaughter is sketch, not all are from farms, some are kidnapped pets.
Some are sick and should not be fit for human consumption.



It's not banned by the government. They just pulled their official endorsement for the festival.
They aren't doing anything about it except to turn a blind eye and leave it to the public.





I'm seeing articles saying stuff like the dogs are:


Skinned alive.
Boiled alive.
Burned alive
Electrocuted alive.

:heckno:





I know my Chinese heritage is very much a food oriented culture.


But it's also a culture that is steeped in myth, wive's tales and beliefs.
I'm hoping for fuck's sake that they aren't torturing the dogs for the sake of FLAVOR.
:rukidding:



The food knowledge I intake has told me things like a stressed out animal releases adrenaline, endorphins and other stress chemicals triggered by the fight or flight response. The stress imparts an "off" taste to the flesh.
Unfortunately, I don't know if this is a white-washed (white as in sanitized) Western culture trying to justify slaughter for meat to a now more enlightened public.
Maybe it's aligning poor palates that don't like the "gamey taste" of lamb and goat to an ethical public.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about food, slaughter and animal chemistry so confirm or deny this.
I definitely haven't had the chance to do this first hand.
:okay:





I do know for a fact, that my Chinese ancestral culture will cross some serious ethical boundaries for the sake of food.
I also know for a fact that my Chinese people are perfectly ok with gamey meats. They were not raised in the under a shitty food culture that eats tenderloin, filleted fish and chicken breast.



I really, really, really hope the torture isn't for the sake of "flavor".
:rukidding:



If anybody can shed some light on this part,
please share your knowledge.

[gilllgamesh]

Jilin, China (2015) - Tamed and/or domesticated dog consumption is not uncommon

Vancouver, Canada (2015) - Stray and/or unwanted dogs typically aren't euthanized anymore. Not unusual to see people let a dog lick them on the face, let alone even when on television.

Saqqara, Egypt (Ptolemaic Period) - 8 Million: Number Of Mummified Dogs Found In Ancient Egyptian Catacomb : SCIENCE : Tech Times (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/62301/20150621/8-million-number-mummified-dogs-found-ancient-egyptian-catacomb.htm)

[Ronin]

i dont eat live animals anymore, only dead ones(aka nothing fresh slaughtered period)

Wait...why? It's still dead. How long between death and food is it okay?

With a lot of meat, it's gotta be aged a little anyways but with, for example, seafood? I mean, you don't want old fish...

The food knowledge I intake has told me things like a stressed out animal releases adrenaline, endorphins and other stress chemicals triggered by the fight or flight response. The stress imparts an "off" taste to the flesh.
Unfortunately, I don't know if this is a white-washed (white as in sanitized) Western culture trying to justify slaughter for meat to a now more enlightened public.
Maybe it's aligning poor palates that don't like the "gamey taste" of lamb and goat to an ethical public.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about food, slaughter and animal chemistry so confirm or deny this.
I definitely haven't had the chance to do this first hand.
:okay:

I do know for a fact, that my Chinese ancestral culture will cross some serious ethical boundaries for the sake of food.
I also know for a fact that my Chinese people are perfectly ok with gamey meats. They were not raised in the under a shitty food culture that eats tenderloin, filleted fish and chicken breast.

I really, really, really hope the torture isn't for the sake of "flavor".
:rukidding:

If anybody can shed some light on this part,
please share your knowledge.

It's not just white people. Japanese people kill fish as fast as possible to maintain flavor and to keep stress from spoiling the meat. Ikejime, it's called, where they insert a rod into the spinal column to destroy it and bleed out the fish. White people would probably find that cruel, though.

[ae101]

^
actually im a Buddhist & a pretty bad one & not eating live fresh meat is my bottom line (& the least i can do as Buddhist), this is why i dont really eat seafood

festival continues, spoiler for link(it might be disturbing)
Fans of China's Yulin dog meat festival ignore global fury | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134937/Gorging-dog-meat-fans-China-s-Yulin-festival-ignore-global-fury-annual-feast-call-ban-eating-TURKEYS-Christmas.html)

also this place is in guangxi, so ppl in the north wont know much about it (as guangxi is in the south) & its also this is a tradition thats been here for 100 of years now (as i was told)

[StylinRed]

long image but some lady in china went to buy over a 100 dogs from yulin to save them from being eaten

some animal mistreatment photos are included in this long story btw

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a8jbN66_700b_v1.jpg

[jackmeister]

lol @ imposing western morals/ethics/culture to Chinese people in China. And you wonder why (mainland) Chinese people really don't give a shit what other think.

According to the Humane Society:
Up to 10 million dogs are believed to be killed for their meat in China every year, as many as 10,000 alone for the Yulin event.

10m a year averages ~27400 dogs a day. 10000 for 1 event isn't that bad.

[Manic!]

10 million dogs just think about that number. If they all stopped eating dogs tomorrow what would happen to all those dogs?