[Timpo]

I always wondered why some bicycles are so expensive.
The material cost, cost of meeting DOT safety standards, emission test, production cost, development cost, and if you consider everything, if just doesn't make sense. :suspicious:

Trek Session 9.9
$9,499
Session 9.9 - Trek Bicycle (http://www.trekbikes.com/ca/en/bikes/mountain/gravity/session/session_9_9/)
http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb7175981/p5pb7175981.jpg

Honda XR650L
$7,699
Honda Motorcycle (http://motorcycle.honda.ca/dual-sport/XR650L)
http://powersports.honda.com/assets/flash/model/gallery/XR650L_2014_Street_01.jpg

Trek Émonda SLR 10
$17,499
Émonda SLR 10 - Trek Bicycle (http://www.trekbikes.com/ca/en/bikes/road/performance_race/emonda/emonda_slr_10_h1/)
http://www.probikeswap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/trek-emonda-slr-10.png

Honda CBR1000RR SP
$18,999
Honda Motorcycle (http://motorcycle.honda.ca/sport/cbr1000rr-sp)
http://images.motofan.com.br/A/9/5/4/prova-honda-cbr1000rr-fireblade-sp-raffinatezza-ve_hd_57242.jpg

[meme405]

Mountain Biking is an expensive hobby, always has been, always will be. The cost of the bike is a significant portion of this, but not even close to all of it, even the most minimal of body armor and protective equipment will end up costing $500. Then lift tickets if you go to a lift access place like whistler, silverstar, or coast gravity park, or the cost of gas if you are shuttling. I guess in theory you could also pedal yourself up, but anyone who has been on a full fledged DH rig with 10" of travel below them will know that pedaling is worse than amputating your own fingers.

Overall mountain biking is probably the most expensive sport to participate in, it certainly tops golfing, hockey, snowboarding/skiing, which are all considered super expensive in their own rights.

Road biking can be expensive if you want it to be, but it can also be cheap if you try a little, I mean seriously not everyone needs a 12.5lb carbon fiber road racing bike. You can make do with a $500-$1000 bike from any LBS.

[GabAlmighty]

DH is probably the most fun you can have on two wheels. I never really rode with any armour; I was a full face, gloves, and shin pads kind of guy. Those 10k DH bikes you're paying for the metals, if i'm correct they're starting to make full carbon DH bikes much more available which is obviously stupid expensive.

And all the top companies put in countless hours and funds into R&D, so that's where the other cost is coming in from. Then on top of that you have higher costs for certain names, it sucks but it is what it is.

Fuck, now I wanna go drop 6k on a bike and get back into it...

[Ferra]

those bicycles you posted tailor to a small niche market
like those women's handbags that cost more than a brand new GTR

[HKS PWR]

I'm not in the bicycle industry, but if I were to hazard a guess: R&D and channel of distribution. My biggest pet peeve is that the pricing for bicycles goes up every year but the manufacturing have been moving off-shore to China/Taiwan. "Made In USA" stickers appear few and far in between on bicycle frame these days.

[radioman]

Whats the 0-60 time on those timpo? The Trek Émonda SLR 10 looks like it has good power to weight potential.

[boatcaptain]

Hermes Geranium Porosus, World's most expensive handbag sells at auction for $125,000 | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529774/Worlds-expensive-handbag-sells-auction-125-000.html)

[sdubfid]

Roughly 30-50% of that cost goes right to the store. A large portion of it is all made in china. Look at the boxes they come in, it will say "designed" in Canada or USA. There is nothing fancy about them to warrant the price other than profit margins.

[meme405]

Roughly 30-50% of that cost goes right to the store. A large portion of it is all made in china. Look at the boxes they come in, it will say "designed" in Canada or USA. There is nothing fancy about them to warrant the price other than profit margins.

So? Can't afford it, get lost.

Sure Companies like Trek and Specialized, use overseas manufacturing, but these are companies who OWN their own facilities out there, they are not simply contracting the lowest bidder to built their gear.

And also Trek's high end shit is still manufactured on this side of the pond.

In any case though if for some stupid reason you don't trust the "overpriced" shit from overseas that you see all the pros rocking at triple the capacity you would ever ride, and you want USA or even local gear you are in luck, cause you live in the fucking CENTER of the mountain biking universe.

Companies like Knolly, and Cove along with MANY others build their shit right here in Vancouver.

On top of that companies like Transition and Guerilla Gravity build bikes in the USA.

This sport is for pleasure and as such, they can charge whatever the fuck they want, and most people will continue to pay it because its so much fun.

To say they don't warrant the price is pretty ignorant considering how many people are willing to fork out the price, you know what the wait is for some new carbon bikes? I had to wait 6 months for my Carbon rear Triangle for my Devinci Wilson.

EDIT: Also for anyone wondering, for a full kit devinci wilson, BRAND NEW were talking $6.5k all in...

This is a world cup level DH sled, the exact rig you will see FMB riders rocking.

Sure you can spend a bit more for other stuff but in general your looking at about 5-7k for a bike like this.

Also you can buy used for like $2500, and get like a 1 year old bike.

[radioman]

I used to enjoy your posts but they've slowly become more and more condescending.

[Manic!]

Walmart bike $78 done.

[twitchyzero]

nice bikes are too easy of a target for thieves
live in a condo? scumbags will easily break into the locker room

no one wants to steal my supercycle...it has disc brakes doe :troll:

[suzuka84]

if you are in Asia, you can find current models of the high end bikes with a local chinese brand for 1/10 of the cost.

The part where the bike manufacturers own their own facility in China may only be half true.

[GabAlmighty]

Fuck you guys, i'm going bike shopping now.

[Spoon]

if you are in Asia, you can find current models of the high end bikes with a local chinese brand for 1/10 of the cost.

The part where the bike manufacturers own their own facility in China may only be half true.

Just go to alibaba.com. According to a friend who's pretty competitive in the sport, the quality of their knock-offs have close to no difference to the real thing at a fraction of the price. Not even surprised if it comes from the same factory, just without the branding.

[sas]

Man, thanks for the sweet wallpaper
(Honda CBR1000RR)

I have a sweet CCM bike. Shocks, pegs,

[sdubfid]

So? Can't afford it, get lost.

Sure Companies like Trek and Specialized, use overseas manufacturing, but these are companies who OWN their own facilities out there, they are not simply contracting the lowest bidder to built their gear.

And also Trek's high end shit is still manufactured on this side of the pond.

In any case though if for some stupid reason you don't trust the "overpriced" shit from overseas that you see all the pros rocking at triple the capacity you would ever ride, and you want USA or even local gear you are in luck, cause you live in the fucking CENTER of the mountain biking universe.

Companies like Knolly, and Cove along with MANY others build their shit right here in Vancouver.

On top of that companies like Transition and Guerilla Gravity build bikes in the USA.

This sport is for pleasure and as such, they can charge whatever the fuck they want, and most people will continue to pay it because its so much fun.

To say they don't warrant the price is pretty ignorant considering how many people are willing to fork out the price, you know what the wait is for some new carbon bikes? I had to wait 6 months for my Carbon rear Triangle for my Devinci Wilson.

EDIT: Also for anyone wondering, for a full kit devinci wilson, BRAND NEW were talking $6.5k all in...

This is a world cup level DH sled, the exact rig you will see FMB riders rocking.

Sure you can spend a bit more for other stuff but in general your looking at about 5-7k for a bike like this.

Also you can buy used for like $2500, and get like a 1 year old bike.

Take a chill pill. I worked at a local manufacturer and have seen the invoicing. Timpo asked why they are so expensive. The answer is so everyone can get a piece of the pie. Nowhere did I say I don't trust anything or can't afford it.

[asian_XL]

we call it the "street bike" in Asia. More and more rich people who have no where to spend buying these high-end bikes. A low-end one can cost as much as 10,000cdn easily, those display model has a price tag of 40,000cdn, and it can go as quick as a car.

There is a shop near where I live, those bikes are super light. You can pretty much lift it up like this.

http://cdn.hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Ultra-Lightweight-Carbon-Fiber-Blackbraid-Bicycle-4.jpg

[MarkyMark]

So? Can't afford it, get lost.

Sure Companies like Trek and Specialized, use overseas manufacturing, but these are companies who OWN their own facilities out there, they are not simply contracting the lowest bidder to built their gear.

And also Trek's high end shit is still manufactured on this side of the pond.

In any case though if for some stupid reason you don't trust the "overpriced" shit from overseas that you see all the pros rocking at triple the capacity you would ever ride, and you want USA or even local gear you are in luck, cause you live in the fucking CENTER of the mountain biking universe.

Companies like Knolly, and Cove along with MANY others build their shit right here in Vancouver.

On top of that companies like Transition and Guerilla Gravity build bikes in the USA.

This sport is for pleasure and as such, they can charge whatever the fuck they want, and most people will continue to pay it because its so much fun.

To say they don't warrant the price is pretty ignorant considering how many people are willing to fork out the price, you know what the wait is for some new carbon bikes? I had to wait 6 months for my Carbon rear Triangle for my Devinci Wilson.

EDIT: Also for anyone wondering, for a full kit devinci wilson, BRAND NEW were talking $6.5k all in...

This is a world cup level DH sled, the exact rig you will see FMB riders rocking.

Sure you can spend a bit more for other stuff but in general your looking at about 5-7k for a bike like this.

Also you can buy used for like $2500, and get like a 1 year old bike.


You're a pretty intense guy eh, he was just pointing out the fact that profit margins are high for those bikes.

[bcrdukes]

Some of you touched on "Made in China/Taiwan" and less and less of Made in USA.

Fact of the matter is that manufacturing abilities, processes, and technologies are far more advanced in Asia than in the USA. American companies such as Trek, Specialized, and Cannondale, who were at one point at the forefront of an American manufacturing empire, nearly went bust because the quality was nowhere as good as their Asian counterparts (Giant is one of them who showed them what's up.) Cannondales were dubbed "Crackendales" at one point because their frames were known for cracking. And yeah, they were hand-made in the USA. Go figure.

There are so many factories in Asia these days who have the technology and raw materials and craftsmen who are capable of pumping out huge volumes of bicycles. Let alone the workmanship and quality of these bikes far surpass those of their American and Italian competitors. Don't be surprised if your Italian and American branded bicycle is manufactured in Taiwan or China.

Keep in mind - some of the higher end bikes are still manufactured in-house (i.e. Trek, Cannondale, Specialized etc.) but you need to remember that these are high-ticket bikes with low demand. Profit margins on current-year bikes are huge and it's normal for stores to make 30 to 40% on them. Shops have to be careful with what and how much they carry. Some shops need to meet quarterly, semi-annual, and/or annual sales targets in order to remain a dealer. It's tough to move high-ticket items/bikes as opposed to your run of the mill aluminum bicycle.

[meme405]

You're a pretty intense guy eh, he was just pointing out the fact that profit margins are high for those bikes.

No he wasn't JUST pointing that out, he also took a huge dig at the fact that some companies have moved manufacturing to Asia, and tried to infer that prices should come down because of that.

As myself and BCRdukes are pointing out, the fact that they moved manufacturing overseas doesn't make any difference.

Look at any sport that most people do for pure pleasure, the profit margins on gear are RIDICULOUS, but people will pay it because its what they WANT to spend money on.

What do you think the profit margin on a $600+ Lib Tech snowboard is?

How about a set of golf clubs which cost $3000?

Hell I have a hockey stick that was $400. Probably only costed like 50 bucks for them to form it.

[multicartual]

I had a Santa Cruz V10 with a carbon fiber front shock with like 8 inches of travel and all the gear!

DH mountain biking is fun, dangerous, and expensive!!!

[meme405]

I had a Santa Cruz V10 with a carbon fiber front shock with like 8 inches of travel and all the gear!

I can tell you right now... No you didn't.

[multicartual]

I can tell you right now... No you didn't.


OK, whatever you say, I was making 20k a month during that time and blowing money like water!!!

[melloman]

Back when I rode alot (6-10 years ago) I took my Norco Bigfoot (hardtail) up Whistler and did black diamond/double black diamond runs no problem. Without the travel, all I had happen was afew bent wheels if I landed wrong.

These bikes are for a niche market of people.
Lots of these bikes are just like cars. People want a fucking "super dope sweet" brand to show off. I rented some of the expensive, heavy duty soft tails and still enjoyed my hard tail more. All it did was make my wrists hurt a bit less at the end of the day.

[white rocket]

The price has always been a deterrent for me. I'm a BMX guy at heart and still ride but fuck me my joints hurt so I've always considered the transition. I always hated the full suspension action as it takes the torque away from the bunny hop but because I'm used to a rigid BMX frame I'm sure I'm just doing it wrong.

I recently made a run up to Whistler with a buddy and we wondered into the rental shop to inquire on a daily rental with gear. Not bad at around $300ish plus lift ticket for the day. I couldn't believe how many people were there riding. Looked as busy as a snowy day. Seeing people come flying down the mountain looked fun as shit so now I'm intrigued.

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[hud 91gt]

It has to be technique. Grew up with front suspension park style mountain bikes. Used them for everything. Now I have a 6" rig, and it's a bloody beast to throw around. I want my nimble ride back :(

WHy so expensive? Because they can, that's why.

[meme405]

Have a look on pink bike if you guys are interested in getting into the sport. You can find a great bike for like $1k. The best part about pinkbike is that if someone is selling something overpriced, just look at the comments there will be a flood of people saying how its not priced right. Saves people from getting ripped off.

Mountain biking is the single biggest adrenaline rush, more so than any other sport, and trust me i've done em all.

I ride a 10" travel bike (8" up front), but that's only for days when you want to throw down HUGE stuff, or days when you actually want to ride super hard.

On mellow days I have a transition bottlerocket which is only 5.5" of travel, and this is a great bike for flowy tracks like A-Line, Dirt Merchant, or Crank it up.

Honestly 75% of my days are spent on the bottlerocket, and having my full DH bike would have probably made my day less fun.

EDIT: Oh and don't skimp out on protective gear, get a full face helmet, get gloves, get shin pads, and elbow pads.

If you plan on doing crazy shit, do yourself and favour and pick up a Neck Brace as well. The $300 is nothing compared to breaking your neck.

[StylinRed]

ive got two buddies who are really into mountain biking, ever since we were in high school, i could never wrap my head around the pricing for the gear but a lot of things are like that like clothes/accessories

[FS1992EG]

ive got two buddies who are really into mountain biking, ever since we were in high school, i could never wrap my head around the pricing for the gear but a lot of things are like that like clothes/accessories

Well, if it's too expensive people wouldn't buy it. Supply and demand.

[MarkyMark]

No he wasn't JUST pointing that out, he also took a huge dig at the fact that some companies have moved manufacturing to Asia, and tried to infer that prices should come down because of that.

As myself and BCRdukes are pointing out, the fact that they moved manufacturing overseas doesn't make any difference.

Look at any sport that most people do for pure pleasure, the profit margins on gear are RIDICULOUS, but people will pay it because its what they WANT to spend money on.

What do you think the profit margin on a $600+ Lib Tech snowboard is?

How about a set of golf clubs which cost $3000?

Hell I have a hockey stick that was $400. Probably only costed like 50 bucks for them to form it.

You're right, I can see how talking about profit margins like that would set anybody off.

[meme405]

You're right, I can see how talking about profit margins like that would set anybody off.

I'm an intense dude.

[UFO]

Bikes are expensive because a)small market/demand = small volume and b)people are willing to pay that much.

I would also wager that the technology crammed into a mountain bike suspension fork or shock is more expensive and/or advanced than what you'd find in a car or motorbike. It needs to be scaled down and overengineered to work in a much smaller package, work efficiently because there is no motorized engine powering the vehicle, and also needs to be lightweight because of the same reason.

As for shop profit margins, shops would be happy to make 30% on a high end bike. Usually MSRP is around 30% mark-up on shop cost, and rarely do bikes sell off the floor at full MSRP. BUT there are also only so many people who are willing to throw that kind of money down. Shops rely on low end/cheap bikes where margins can be 50%, parts and accessories where typical retail mark up is double, and service/labour, to keep the lights on and pay the leases and salaries.

[z3german]

more reason for bicycles to be insured if they want to be on the road. I honestly see more bikes in the 3k+ range in dt, they outnumber the cheap motorcyles on the road, yet only motorcyclist have to pay insurance, even if its a $500 POS.

Im a hater :devil:

[skiiipi]

No he wasn't JUST pointing that out, he also took a huge dig at the fact that some companies have moved manufacturing to Asia, and tried to infer that prices should come down because of that.

As myself and BCRdukes are pointing out, the fact that they moved manufacturing overseas doesn't make any difference.

Look at any sport that most people do for pure pleasure, the profit margins on gear are RIDICULOUS, but people will pay it because its what they WANT to spend money on.

What do you think the profit margin on a $600+ Lib Tech snowboard is?

How about a set of golf clubs which cost $3000?

Hell I have a hockey stick that was $400. Probably only costed like 50 bucks for them to form it.

A board shop will make about $300 on a $600 board, a hockey shop will make about $200 on a $400 stick, but a golf shop will be lucky to make $800 on a $3000 golf set. The golf hardgoods mark up is really low, most of the margin comes from clothing and accessories.

As for bikes 80% of the high end bikes in the world are manufactured out of 6 factories in Taiwan. From a manufacturing stand point, Taiwan makes great bikes.

[bcedhk]

It also doesn't help with lower pricing considering biking is now the "trend". If I was the boss of a bike company I would take advantage of this.

Like others have already mentioned, you can probably build yourself a road bike that weights as little as the 10k bikes for less than 2k now with parts at Alibaba sites, but you will probably have to deal with the risk of faulty parts and/or poor materials.

[Timpo]

Well, if it's too expensive people wouldn't buy it. Supply and demand.
It also doesn't help with lower pricing considering biking is now the "trend". If I was the boss of a bike company I would take advantage of this.
Although I think those bikes are way overpriced (superbike/dirt bike territory), from business perspective, it makes sense.

Bicycle companies can charge people whatever the heck they want and frankly, nothing is overpriced when people are willing to pay for it.

[kkttsang]

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[Timpo]

You can see how bicycle has a lot less parts..

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/downhill-freeride/72023d1114230061-fox-40-img_0342.jpg

[GabAlmighty]

Oh my sweet fuck

[Everymans]

That's a really weird ass rear suspension^^.

I ride a really simple gary fisher tarpon. It probably can't handle a black diamond course but it managed mount burke quite fine. I'm still new to down hill mountain biking but I already realized that it's a hobby that is far out of my price range. I'd need to upgrade a lot of my bikes components if i wished to make anything higher then a 4 foot drop.

Getting a decent road bike isn't that much of an issue though. I made an awesome, lightweight, peppy road bike for 60$ before. You just have to know how to build a bike, which is far easier then building/fixing a car. It's basic mechanic work through and through. Sure you could buy a ridiculously overpriced carbon fibre everything but then that's just more money out the window to go a little bit faster. My current road bike weighs maybe 5 pounds more then a carbon fibre frame bike and I probably wouldn't notice the difference in speed if i was riding either of them. It's getting to the point where it's so over engineered that it's simply a bragging right to have it. Just like the veyron. How many veyron owners are going to push that car to it's limits on each ride? Why not just build your own dragster and push that sucker to it's limits. And you also have to keep in mind your own capability on a bike. The bike will only go as fast as you can go. If you lack the strength then a supercycle can be just as good for you as a 3k$ devinci.

[kunoman1]

My friend is buying a 2000+ carbon fiber bike for the iron man, I could never justify that but at the same time, she could never justify spending that much money on a car.

You charge what you can charge, and you get what you pay for, tis life

[meme405]

That's a really weird ass rear suspension^^.


The bike is a Specialized Demo 8 V2. It's a really common favourite for the big hitters riding the shore, or any bike park:

http://nsmb.com/assets/images/A-events2009/jason_chamber_demo/4.jpg

FSR rear geometry is super linear, I had one of these before, I wasn't a particular fan, but then again, I think I bought one a little too small for me, and even after adjusting the geometry it never really worked out. So I sold it and moved on.

On another note the new 2015 Demo is coming out soon:

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb11289915/p4pb11289915.jpg

:jizz:

[underscore]

They're expensive due to material quality/weight and for the abuse they need to take. If you're not going to be pushing it, then you don't need as expensive of a bike. But if you're going hard, I wouldn't want to be relying on some sub-par equipment to not explode.

[multicartual]

I got my bike for $200, it only has a front brake and is a single speed but I put a higher top speed gear on it for hauling serious ass.

[mr_chin]

A board shop will make about $300 on a $600 board, a hockey shop will make about $200 on a $400 stick, but a golf shop will be lucky to make $800 on a $3000 golf set. The golf hardgoods mark up is really low, most of the margin comes from clothing and accessories.

As for bikes 80% of the high end bikes in the world are manufactured out of 6 factories in Taiwan. From a manufacturing stand point, Taiwan makes great bikes.

Using fake statistics really helps strengthen your point.

[freakshow]

Timpo's troll level is over 9000

[Timpo]

Using fake statistics really helps strengthen your point.I was wondering about that, so I did a quick research and looks like bicycle is serious business in Taiwan

Giant
" Taiwanese bicycle manufacturer which is recognized as the world's largest bicycle manufacturer"
Giant Bicycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trek
"the majority of company's bicycles manufactured in Taiwan"
Trek Bicycle Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GT
"frames made in Taiwan"
GT Bicycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Specialized
"In 2001, Merida Bikes of Taiwan bought 49% of Specialized for a reported US$30 million"
Specialized Bicycle Components - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cannondale
"manufacturing and assembly facilities in China and Taichung, Taiwan"
Cannondale Bicycle Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gary Fisher
"Fisher sold his company in 1991 to Taiwan's Anlen company"
Gary Fisher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Schwinn
"In Taiwan, Schwinn was able to conclude a new production agreement with Giant Bicycles, transferring Schwinn's frame design and manufacturing expertise to Giant in the process"
Schwinn Bicycle Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bianchi
"the production of bicycles built in Taiwan and in Italy for the worldwide market"
Bianchi Bicycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wasabisashimi]

Made in China, Made in Taiwan,, Made in USA, Made in mexico... wherever doesn't matter, but depends on the brand and its own quality control plus the material used. Cheap labour does not always translate into poor quality anymore. I kinda stop looking at where it is made for certain stuff. I'd be concerned about food/ Produce made in china though

[meme405]

Made in China, Made in Taiwan,, Made in USA, Made in mexico... wherever doesn't matter, but depends on the brand and its own quality control plus the material used. Cheap labour does not always translate into poor quality anymore. I kinda stop looking at where it is made for certain stuff. I'd be concerned about food/ Produce made in china though

It makes absolutely no difference in the world, especially when almost all the various pieces like the stems, brakes, seat, rear shock, front fork, wheelset, all of that shit comes from asia.

Fine build the frame of your transition right here in BC, but that Fox 40 203mm fork on the front of the bike which you rely on to absorb those 40 foot hucks will always be built in taiwan.

[jpark]

omg this thread all the sudden reminded me of how much i missed mountain biking.. i sold both my bikes to buy my first car. biggest mistake ive ever made :facepalm:
dug these photos from from my pinkbike album from 2006 dayum. bring both of these bikes up to whister, rip up the a-line and joyride with the devinci, come down, swap to the hardtail and rip up the dirt jumps, break my bone and hurt myself, still worth it.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/jpark881/p4pb1693094_zpsa1e462b2.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/jpark881/media/p4pb1693094_zpsa1e462b2.jpg.html)
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z379/jpark881/p4pb1727148_zps2450eec0.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/jpark881/media/p4pb1727148_zps2450eec0.jpg.html)

The mountain biking culture is very big here in BC, which alot of average joe people wont notice. Hence the pricey downhill bikes do end up getting sold eventually all the time. Like meme405 said, pinkbike is where i got most of my sources back then. The market is so big, i used to buy parts on that forum with my limited budget and was able to build my own bikes. It was awesome

[underscore]

It makes absolutely no difference in the world, especially when almost all the various pieces like the stems, brakes, seat, rear shock, front fork, wheelset, all of that shit comes from asia.

Fine build the frame of your transition right here in BC, but that Fox 40 203mm fork on the front of the bike which you rely on to absorb those 40 foot hucks will always be built in taiwan.

Agreed, I'm sorry but anyone who thinks the country of origin matters in this day and age is an idiot.

[Timpo]

Made in China, Made in Taiwan,, Made in USA, Made in mexico... wherever doesn't matter, but depends on the brand and its own quality control plus the material used. Cheap labour does not always translate into poor quality anymore. I kinda stop looking at where it is made for certain stuff. I'd be concerned about food/ Produce made in china though

It makes absolutely no difference in the world, especially when almost all the various pieces like the stems, brakes, seat, rear shock, front fork, wheelset, all of that shit comes from asia.

Fine build the frame of your transition right here in BC, but that Fox 40 203mm fork on the front of the bike which you rely on to absorb those 40 foot hucks will always be built in taiwan.

I see your point but Made in "some asian coutry" was never known for built quality.

If Lamborghini and Ferrari were made in Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Cambodia, etc...I'm that would hurt their brand image. Same as Ducati, MV Agusta, etc.

Not saying Italians ever had good built quality but still...

[cpt000]

Actually...I'd argue that the high end of the market is actually cheap, relative to other vehicles. For about $20K max, you could be riding the same bike that is used in world championships. You can't do that with a boat or car.

[hud 91gt]

That's a silly comment. You can buy a new bottom of the barrel bike for $200.

A bottom of the barrel car is $15000.

So 20g's gets you a high end competitive bike. That's 100x the price of your basic bike. Make the same calculation for the car and your at 1.5 million.


Take motorcycles. 4,500 get you your most basic "sport bike". 100,000$ would get you one hell of a race bike. He'll, $16000 get you close to the same thing off the dealer showroom floor. That's not near the 100x ratio.

[underscore]

I see your point but Made in "some asian coutry" was never known for built quality.

If Lamborghini and Ferrari were made in Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Cambodia, etc...I'm that would hurt their brand image. Same as Ducati, MV Agusta, etc.

Not saying Italians ever had good built quality but still...

:rukidding:

[Ash Eater]

really it's just simple economic scale. It only takes 1 R&D team to design a motorbike that sells 100k units/year, just the same as bicycle that sells 1k/year. That same motorbike can be assembled at a constant rate at one factory, while the bicycle requires its own factory as well, and building a factory is not cheaper if it isn't running all the time. So because the motorbike sells more units it can be sold at smaller profit margin and still easily cover the overhead, whereas the bicycle needs a bigger profit per unit to make it all back.

also wtf is this shit about people knocking bikes made in asian countries and not north america? People can make trash or quality products in any country in the world.

[Timpo]

Why do bicycles ever need dual rotor???

http://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Gatorbrake-dual-hydraulic-front-disc-brakes-carbon-rotors01.jpg
http://fstatic1.mtb-news.de/img/photos/7/9/4/0/6/_/large/IMG_5135.JPG
http://www.transcendmagazine.com/gallery/albums/taipei08/tankDH.jpg

Even dual purpose motorcycles don't have dual rotors.

KTM 690 ENDURO R
http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/10_ktm_690_enduro-001.jpg

Kawasaki KLR650
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20B/Kawasaki%20KLR650%2008.jpg

[meme405]

There is no possible reason in hell anyone who could physically ride a bike could have enough mass to require dual rotors like that.

I don't know where you found pictures of that bike, but it looks like it was more a project to build something absolutely ludicrous rather than something genuinely built for racing.

That brake setup looks incredibly heavy, when in reality bikers take crazy steps to lose weight off even their DH rigs. So chances are you ain't gonna be seeing that type of setup on an FMB ride in this lifetime.

[hud 91gt]

I've got a scar on my leg to show how hot those rotors can get. But I agree, complete overkill. Road bikes with discs? Also nonsense.

[Manic!]

I see your point but Made in "some asian coutry" was never known for built quality.

If Lamborghini and Ferrari were made in Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Cambodia, etc...I'm that would hurt their brand image. Same as Ducati, MV Agusta, etc.

Not saying Italians ever had good built quality but still...

Come on Timpo you know the best engines come from Hungary.

Best engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_V10)

[Timpo]

There is no possible reason in hell anyone who could physically ride a bike could have enough mass to require dual rotors like that.

I don't know where you found pictures of that bike, but it looks like it was more a project to build something absolutely ludicrous rather than something genuinely built for racing.

That brake setup looks incredibly heavy, when in reality bikers take crazy steps to lose weight off even their DH rigs. So chances are you ain't gonna be seeing that type of setup on an FMB ride in this lifetime.

No, it's not a project or one-off thing. You can actually buy it.
It has 8 pot caliper (each)

http://download.bikeboard.pl/foto4/bbinfo20081112_008.jpg

[originalhypa]

Those are cool from a bike geek standpoint. That said, my 4 piston saint brakes stop me just fine. The 8 piston would be nice for modulation if the engineers designed the pistons in different sizes. But like meme said, you don't have the mass or grip to take advantage of that sort of braking power.

I ride a knolly podium, a true dh race bike and there are times where I feel like I'm holding the bike back. It's like driving an f1 car at 3/10, you're just not getting the best out of the machine. I've raced with the bike and it kills courses. Compare that to my old kona stinky, which was great. But riding the kona was more like driving a stock 'vw on a rally course. Every turn, jump and brake was an adventure. It just didn't have the light weight, geometry, or high end parts that my knolly does.

[originalhypa]

For the record, the bike above is a one off design from 2005. Having spent the last 18 years on a mountain bike I have seen some crazy shit That never made it to market.

Then there were the crazy ideas that did make it to the stores, like the Rohloff hubs, shiver forks, hammerschmidt, and the 29'er (trollololol).

:D

[GabAlmighty]

Those are cool from a bike geek standpoint. That said, my 4 piston saint brakes stop me just fine. The 8 piston would be nice for modulation if the engineers designed the pistons in different sizes. But like meme said, you don't have the mass or grip to take advantage of that sort of braking power.

I ride a knolly podium, a true dh race bike and there are times where I feel like I'm holding the bike back. It's like driving an f1 car at 3/10, you're just not getting the best out of the machine. I've raced with the bike and it kills courses. Compare that to my old kona stinky, which was great. But riding the kona was more like driving a stock 'vw on a rally course. Every turn, jump and brake was an adventure. It just didn't have the light weight, geometry, or high end parts that my knolly does.

I'm having issues with my Saints. I had almost no brakes when I first got the bike, cleaned the rotors and burned the pads, and got my braking power back but now it's gone again haha. I'm guessing my seals are leaking brake fluid onto my rotors so looks like a rebuild kit is in my future!

That's a nice ride! I just got an 08 Demo 8 and boy do I like that bike. Super planted over everything and soaks up everything. Can't wait to shred Whistler in a few weeks! See if i'm still as fast as I was haha.

[Timpo]

I've got a scar on my leg to show how hot those rotors can get. But I agree, complete overkill. Road bikes with discs? Also nonsense.yeah these bikes are approx $20k and they don't even come with V-brakes. It's like some sort of old school style brake that I don't even know what its called.

Pinarello Dogma
http://www.castlehillcycles.com/pinarello2012/dogma2_633_big.jpg

Scott Plasma
http://i49.tinypic.com/vzbz1s.jpg

[pengu]

Bikes are a complete and utter rip off. They should be cheaper than sportbikes. I have a feeling most of the profit goes towards having a trendy design.
No way it costs more to build and design a mountain bike than it does a 4 cyl performance engine.

[bomiheko]

Nope, no such thing as rip off. It's all driven by consumer demand. If people are willing to spend $20-30k in a bicycle, then the market will have products at that range. Same with motorcycles. No one complains about $400k diamonds when they are mined at same cost as a $500 diamond.

[Timpo]

Nope, no such thing as rip off. It's all driven by consumer demand. If people are willing to spend $20-30k in a bicycle, then the market will have products at that range. Same with motorcycles. No one complains about $400k diamonds when they are mined at same cost as a $500 diamond.

Yeah a lot of business people say this: "Nothing is overpriced when people are willing to pay for it"

[multicartual]

Yeah a lot of business people say this: "Nothing is overpriced when people are willing to pay for it"


My bike was $460 new and delivered from Craigslist


http://i.imgur.com/0hqW6gL.jpg


Can't put a price tag on riding around the seawall with a little buzz, commuting to patios and meeting girls :)

[Manic!]

Bikes are a complete and utter rip off. They should be cheaper than sportbikes. I have a feeling most of the profit goes towards having a trendy design.
No way it costs more to build and design a mountain bike than it does a 4 cyl performance engine.

It's all about volume. Engines are mass produced 20K bikes are custom built for each rider. Like I said before you can go buy a bike for $78 bux.

[multicartual]

Mountain bikes are so expensive because they are abused as fuck and need to be strong as all hell


Road bikes are expensive because road bike riders often have short dick syndrome and NEED an 8k+ bike to show off!


http://i.imgur.com/G3I55Ry.jpg


Hipster bikes are usually less than $500

[originalhypa]

I'm having issues with my Saints. I had almost no brakes when I first got the bike, cleaned the rotors and burned the pads, and got my braking power back but now it's gone again haha. I'm guessing my seals are leaking brake fluid onto my rotors so looks like a rebuild kit is in my future.

Shimano doesn't offer a rebuild kit, instead they'll replace the caliper under warranty. I got my new caliper from fanatyk in whistler. They were great to deal with.

Fanatyk Co Ski & Cycle, Whistler, BC - 604-938-9455 (http://fanatykco.com/)

I bought a new saint for my knolly. Then I found out they would fix it for free. So now I have a saint on the front of my bottlerocket. It's a hell of an upgrade.
:D

Mountain bikes are so expensive because they are abused as fuck and need to be strong as all hell

Man, you hit it right on the head. I've broken my elbow, fractured my lower back, and won a race on my knolly. All it haa needed in the last 4 years is bearings and brake pads. It's a beast.

[multicartual]

I had a Santa Cruz V10...

[slicrick]

this thread makes me regret selling my bikes :okay: never had a DH rig but some DJing / park hardtails

[skiiipi]

2015 Orbea Alma M-LTD Mountain Bike | 27.5" Wheels (http://www.trisports.com/orbea-alma-m-ltd-27-wheels-2015-mountain-bike.html)

drools....carbon frame, shimano xtr di-2....$10K usd for a mountain HARDTAIL!
OMFG.....

[Timpo]

so somebody please tell me why is this front fork more beneficial than the conventional fork...

http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web_site/bicycle/cannondale_super_v_900-66.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web_site/bicycle/cannondale_super_v_900-67.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/infinity_web_site/bicycle/cannondale_super_v_900-64.jpg

[Timpo]

and this...they sure do come up with weird front suspension concept

http://active-s.com/blog/img/cannondale_sv700sx_2.jpg

[multicartual]

Well, I think all of the product lettering in GIANT signage should tell you something about who would own a bike like this and why they would ride it...

[Timpo]

hmm.. rectangle frame

http://mtb-life.img.jugem.jp/20080809_544304.jpg

[Timpo]

GT has some unique rear suspension design

http://www.active-s.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/gt_sts_dh_carbon_2.jpg

[Timpo]

2015 Orbea Alma M-LTD Mountain Bike | 27.5" Wheels (http://www.trisports.com/orbea-alma-m-ltd-27-wheels-2015-mountain-bike.html)

drools....carbon frame, shimano xtr di-2....$10K usd for a mountain HARDTAIL!
OMFG.....

$10,099 USD for a hardtail cross country bike... :rukidding:
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/trisports/2015-orbea-alma-m-ltd-mountain-bike-27-5-wheels-2.jpg

$10,990 USD for a 2015 Yamaha YZF-R6
Yamaha Street Motorcycles - Supersport, Sport, Adventure Touring Motorcycle (http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/category/street-motorcycle)
http://www.cycleonline.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/2015-yamaha-yzf-r6-static.jpg

$9,998 CA for 2015 Nissan Micra
http://pictures.dealer.com/a/altanissantc/0229/1b8c1ee5f1f6fc51cc38c9923522b475x.jpg

[underscore]

$1,150,000 USD/$1,390,000 CAD for a 2 seater coupe... :rukidding:
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/mclaren-p1-01-1.jpg

$1,040,000/$1,249,900 CAD for a 5 bed 4 bath mansion
http://cdn.realtor.ca/listing/reb19/highres/5/10095255_1.jpg

[UFO]

yeah these bikes are approx $20k and they don't even come with V-brakes. It's like some sort of old school style brake that I don't even know what its called.

Road bikes don't use v brakes. Educate yourself before you bitch and complain. They are not old school, they are highly effective for roadsides and lightweight.

And stop bringing up 10+ year old designs and complaining about how weird they look or how you don't think they work well. There is LOTS of info on the web, educate yourself

[Timpo]

Road bikes don't use v brakes. Educate yourself before you bitch and complain. They are not old school, they are highly effective for roadsides and lightweight.

And stop bringing up 10+ year old designs and complaining about how weird they look or how you don't think they work well. There is LOTS of info on the web, educate yourself

those types of brakes are worst ones is what I heard
road bikes basically have this type:
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00oesaLzBcfHkd/Caliper-Brake-SD-68-.jpg

and there's a cabie one
http://cyclingabout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/shorty-6.jpg

and v brakes
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/avidsingledig29tdjcmzvg.jpg

some sort of hydraulic thing
http://stwww.bikemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Magura-rt8.jpg

[meme405]

Shimano doesn't offer a rebuild kit, instead they'll replace the caliper under warranty. I got my new caliper from fanatyk in whistler. They were great to deal with.

Fanatyk Co Ski & Cycle, Whistler, BC - 604-938-9455 (http://fanatykco.com/)

I bought a new saint for my knolly. Then I found out they would fix it for free. So now I have a saint on the front of my bottlerocket. It's a hell of an upgrade.
:D



Man, you hit it right on the head. I've broken my elbow, fractured my lower back, and won a race on my knolly. All it haa needed in the last 4 years is bearings and brake pads. It's a beast.

Fanatyk is great, they fixed up my bike and got me back on the hill in like 20 minutes when I decided to see how whistler dirt tasted.

You have a similar setup to me, I have a trek Session 10, and a bottle rocket.

Obviously the session 10 will pound straight through even the most unholy of terrain, and it will soak up bumps the size of a full size truck without a flinch. BUT I find myself grabbing the bottlerocket more often than I grab my trek. It's just more fun, I have more fun riding my little bottlerocket on the edge, rather than pushing my limits on the trek.

On the bottle rocket I cruise around and ride a lot more mellow, and the lack of travel forces you to ride smooth and it's so light that you can huck it around. Whereas the trek is just good for days when I want to ride super hard, and chase faster times down A-line.

The trek is also good for breaking both your hands on as I did 2 years ago. :heckno:

[originalhypa]

so somebody please tell me why is this front fork more beneficial than the conventional fork...

Simple answer: Cannondale is insane. That said, I have a friend who swears by his lefty fork. It was known as a light weight alternative to a dual fork. It incorporates both compression and rebound cartridges in the single fork, as opposed to standard forks where the comp and reb are split between the stanchions.


GT has some unique rear suspension design


That bike is from a time when the engineers were trying to find the best suspension design. One that would soak up bumps and jumps, without the rider losing all of his pedal power to the suspension.

Nowadays they have narrowed it down to the DW link DW-link - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DW-link)
The Horst link, the VPP, the single pivot and the 4 bar Bicycle suspension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_suspension)


My Knolly is a 4 bar, while the Bottlerocket is a single pivot. The 4 bar is great for soaking up big drops and jumps. While the single pivot is higly active and is great for jumps and transitions.



The trek is also good for breaking both your hands on as I did 2 years ago.

Damn!!!!
:heckno:

You'll find me riding my bottlerocket at Whistler most of the time now. I ride with my 11 year old, so the Knolly is just too hard to ride slower. It needs to be opened up.

But man, when I do ride her, it's something special.

Post up some pics of your bikes.

[originalhypa]

Sold steeds:

My old Kona Stinky.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/IMGP3643.jpg

Norco Sasquatch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/IMGP3754.jpg

Norco Team DH
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/IMGP3873.jpg

Jamis Parker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/IMGP3910.jpg

Norco Shore
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/1cace271.jpg

My old Edge and my buddie's Norco (we're getting old now)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/olderpics/hypabike.jpg

My first ever DH bike, a Norco VPS from 1999
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/olderpics/111_1105.jpg


Whistler 2006.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/mountain%20biking/whistler_biking_fall_06/IMG_1697.jpg

yeeeeah!

[The_AK]

Whistler reopens for bikes May 2nd!

[multicartual]

I'm gonna go this year for sure!!!


Need to rent a bike though... fuckin' Santa Cruz V10 got stolen living in Langley.

[Timpo]

so apparently Lefty has better rigidity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlRqcAQr2w

[Timpo]

oh shit...

Karpiel Armageddon

Front Fork: Marzocchi Super Monster 300mm travel
Rear Suspension: 250mm travel

http://cs4583.vkontakte.ru/u124316908/143817847/y_31938032.jpg

[Yodamaster]

A lot of you guys are comparing mass produced items to relatively bespoke bikes, last time I checked, you could pick up a bike that would get you from A to B for less than a thousand bucks at Can Tire. Honda CBwhatevers are just appliance cars with two wheels, compared to the SuperSoakerXL chrome vanadium molydexterous mountain bike with triple protoflex technology meant for a very specific purpose.

[Akinari]

Bikes are awesome. Had a Giant STP stolen from me awhile ago, picked up another one last year. I love dirt jumping and DH or just screwing around on the streets :thumbs:

[The_AK]

oh shit...

Karpiel Armageddon

Front Fork: Marzocchi Super Monster 300mm travel
Rear Suspension: 250mm travel

http://cs4583.vkontakte.ru/u124316908/143817847/y_31938032.jpg

This is such an old bike, i still remember when I was a kid and people thought Monster T's were cool

On that note, anyone remember this guy? lol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNy_4S43O8

[Timpo]

I'm just wondering about this front fork...any benefit over conventional front fork?
http://patineto.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Components-and-parts/Linkagemultipivot-suspension/FJY0174/312393838_RMMCr-M.jpg

[Timpo]

and this front fork..

http://www.bikejournal.com/images/Stingerexpalomino%20rotor.jpg

[77civic1200]

Just shut the fuck up timpo

[Tone Loc]

[QUOTE=Yodamaster;8630381]A lot of you guys are comparing mass produced items to relatively bespoke bikes, last time I checked, you could pick up a bike that would get you from A to B for less than a thousand bucks at Can Tire./QUOTE]

Agreed. Timpo, I think you're going about this all wrong... a more apt comparison would be some $150 CCM bike from Canadian Tire to a $9,900 Nissan Micra. Or one of those $10,000 Orbea carbon fiber bikes to a $300,000~ Ferrari 458.

Very different versions of the same thing that gets you from Point A to Point B. A lot of research and development goes into the latter, and not so much into the former. Whether you see it or not.

Personally, I am not a cyclist but I can't help but think it cool when an average bike weighs around 20-25 lbs and has literally 10 parts but engineers are still able to make a "high end" bike weighs less than half that...

[originalhypa]

Need to rent a bike though... fuckin' Santa Cruz V10 got stolen living in Langley.

So sad.
This town truly needs an enema.

That said, if you're going to rent you'll soon find that the V10 was a great bike, but the new designs do it all. I rented about 10 different bikes 4 years ago before deciding on the Knolly. After trying 7 different suspension designs I realized I liked short travel single pivot, and long travel 4 bar.

But the VPP on the V10 carbon was really sweet too.

so apparently Lefty has better rigidity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlRqcAQr2w

That's what my friend always says. The Lefty is the most rigid fork out there, and is great for XC. I've never had an issue with flex in my suspension, and I've done this drop dozens of times.

http://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fdamien.chooah.com%2Fpics%2Ffarris _dirtmerchant_drop.jpg

Dirt Merchant drop, Whistler.


On that note, anyone remember this guy? lol
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNy_4S43O8

It's crazy, I didn't even have to click the link and I knew you were talking about Bender.
:fuckyea:

I posted a "where in the world is Josh Bender" thread on NSMB last year only to find he was on the builders crew for Red Bull Rampage.

Good to see Bender is still in the scene. The man was, and still is a maniac.

[Timpo]

Front fork breaks mid-air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYxEemzhCOA

[originalhypa]

It happens, but front forks breaking is definitely not common. What has taken down more than a few of my fellow riders is a flat tire. Try landing a 10' gap jump with a flat front tire, and you'll know the real definition of " bringing her in for a crash landing".

:lol

[UFO]

Dirt Merchant drop, Whistler

That, and the GLC drop, are the only 2 sizable drops I ever had the cajones to do. Not sure why, but on local trails even drops half the size sketch me way the hell out and I'd never try something that size around the local trails

ridng in Whistler brings out the hero in all of us, but damn has it gotten expensive for a day of riding up there

[GabAlmighty]

Can't wait to go up to Whistler. I bought a 3 day edge card for the ski season and only used 1 day so got 2 days to use at the bike park. Gotta get my brakes replaced first though..

[Timpo]

Is it just me or Schwinn's bike line ups have gone down

Schewinn back in the day... you could only buy them from actual bike shops.

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb2282812/p4pb2282812.jpg
http://i1.mtbx.com.ar/foto/o/11/82/1182819799_bike_dh.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff66/viponlevi/DSCN7236.jpg

Schwinn today... they're sold at Canadian Tire FailFish

http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/beginners-corner/680099d1331342870-schwinn-rocket-comp-full-suspension-review-schwinn-rocket-003.jpg
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usedphotosna/45639747_934.jpg
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usedphotosna/45861448_934.jpg

[originalhypa]

Schwinn took a dump when they were bought out by Dorel.
They took the name and slapped it on cheap bikes to sell at big box stores. Dorel also owns big names such as

GT bikes
https://dhandalucia.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/2015-gt-fury-world-cup.jpg

The Carbon Fury is their top level DH bike, and a sick steed.

Cannondale
http://www.thebikeshop.de/WebRoot/Store22/Shops/62303450/53D7/932F/3C54/EDD8/DA66/C0A8/2BBC/0A7B/2015-Scalpel-29-Carbon-Team.jpg

The Scalpel Carbon 29'er is a top XC and enduro contender. Not my bag, but whatever floats the boat.

Ironhorse
http://dirtmountainbike.com/old_images/interviews/pb_59.jpg

I found this pic for you, Timpo

:D


Ironhorse used to be a good, but niche name in the Mtn bike world. Acquired by Dorel, they're trying to revive the name. But the bottom line is that it's far more profitable to sell shitty Canadian Tire bikes to ignorant people, than it is to engineer and sell proper DH or road bikes.

Fuck Dorel. That's all I have to say about that. They are the Chevy of our industry.

[hi-revs]

Anyone have experience with cyclocross bikes??

Im currently in the market for picking up a bike and debating between cyclocross and hardtail mountain bike.
I'll mainly be riding pavement and trail- loose gravel, dirt etc
Dont have any big jumps in mind.
Was told at the bike shop that cyclocross bikes can put up with a lot like a hardtail, but the weight of a road bike.
Thoughts?

[meme405]

Ironhorse used to be a good, but niche name in the Mtn bike world. Acquired by Dorel, they're trying to revive the name. But the bottom line is that it's far more profitable to sell shitty Canadian Tire bikes to ignorant people, than it is to engineer and sell proper DH or road bikes.

Fuck Dorel. That's all I have to say about that. They are the Chevy of our industry.

I had an ironhorse Sunday years ago. Last good bike they built, and still a good few people running them. Such a linear rear suspension design, super predictable bike.

These are the only bikes of mine I can find pictures of:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/meme405/IMAG0331_zpsi8ywgsto.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/meme405/media/IMAG0331_zpsi8ywgsto.jpg.html)

My trials bike.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/meme405/p4pb8316437_zpskhxfhbzo.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/meme405/media/p4pb8316437_zpskhxfhbzo.jpg.html)

Old workhorse. I got this after my Sunday World Cup. This bike was followed by a Demo 8, which I didn't like.

Now I have my Session 10:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/meme405/IMAG0894_zpsy7uya6f3.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/meme405/media/IMAG0894_zpsy7uya6f3.jpg.html)

and I also have a bottle rocket I bought off Pinkbike. No pictures.

[Timpo]

Supercycle Hooligan
MSRP: $249

Quite possibly the cheapest DH bike you can buy? Somebody should buy it, take it to Whistler and give us a review :)

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usedphotosna/44607014_934.jpg
http://images.canadianlisted.com/nlarge/supercycle-hooligan-full-suspension-needs-work-50-richmond_8170229.jpg

[GabAlmighty]

The bike looks like it wants to hurt me

[LP700-4]

Supercycle Hooligan
MSRP: $249

Quite possibly the cheapest DH bike you can buy? Somebody should buy it, take it to Whistler and give us a review :)


LOL those things are a joke. Looks like its all rugged and DH built but theres in reality like 1 inch of travel. No disks either :lawl:

[underscore]

Supercycle Hooligan
MSRP: $249

Quite possibly the cheapest DH bike you can buy? Somebody should buy it, take it to Whistler and give us a review :)

The small amount of knowledge I've picked up from my coworker who does a lot of downhill leads me to believe he would completely destroy that thing within minutes.

[The_AK]

LOL the Hooligan, oh the irony. That is one heavy piece of crap. For the money you would spend at Canadian Tire you're better off buying something used off Pink bike. Norco Shores can be had for pretty cheap these days and they're fairly good bikes.

*edit* in addition, police auction is happening this Saturday so I bet you can find a stolen recovery for pretty cheap (NOT that I'm condoning buying stolen bikes cuz that shit is weak).

[Yodamaster]

in addition, police auction is happening this Saturday so I bet you can find a stolen recovery for pretty cheap (NOT that I'm condoning buying stolen bikes cuz that shit is weak).

I was under the impression that an item had to be unclaimed for a set amount of time before it could be auctioned off? If it isn't sold, it goes to the scrapyard, that's weak.

[meme405]

I was under the impression that an item had to be unclaimed for a set amount of time before it could be auctioned off? If it isn't sold, it goes to the scrapyard, that's weak.

This is exactly right, they give every opportunity and try as best they can to reunite their bikes with the owners (or atleast they say they do), but they are still left with a ton of unclaimed bikes, so they have to flip them if only for storage needs.

Everyone should go register their bikes online:

Home (http://www.cpic-cipc.ca/index-eng.htm?CFID=1392781&CFTOKEN=91690221&jsessionid=bc301723251271698686123)

This means that your bike will never be auctioned off, because the cops will always be able to search who the owner is.

I still prefer to buy off pinkbike, but sometimes good deals can be had at the auctions. The brilliant thing about pinkbike is that the comments on Forsale ads are turned on, which means that knowledgeable members will roast someone for listing something at an unfair price. That means that even the most noob members can purchase with relative confidence in the fact that they aren't getting ripped off.

[Timpo]

ok you can buy Supercycle Hooligan here
Supercycle Hooligan 26" Full Suspension Mountain Bike | Canadian Tire (http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/supercycle-hooligan-26-in-full-suspension-bike-adult-0711674p.html#.VULfQ_lViko)

and people are doing some reviews already
RFD Cycling Thread [OFFICIAL] - Page 54 - RedFlagDeals.com Forums (http://forums.redflagdeals.com/rfd-cycling-thread-official-583240/54/)
Just a huge question- Mtbr.com (http://forums.mtbr.com/beginners-corner/just-huge-question-803776.html)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k172/Drop_in_here/007.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k172/Drop_in_here/008.jpg

[yip_yee]

Why don't you guys talk about our Canadian Bicycle.
Cervelo
Argon 18

[meme405]

Why don't you guys talk about our Canadian Bicycle.
Cervelo
Argon 18

Why don't we talk about Knolly, Cove, and Devinci?

Instead of talking about bikes who only chest waxing pansies would ride...?

:troll:

[roastpuff]

Anyone have experience with cyclocross bikes??

Im currently in the market for picking up a bike and debating between cyclocross and hardtail mountain bike.
I'll mainly be riding pavement and trail- loose gravel, dirt etc
Dont have any big jumps in mind.
Was told at the bike shop that cyclocross bikes can put up with a lot like a hardtail, but the weight of a road bike.
Thoughts?

If you're not planning on doing DH or all-mountain trails, the cyclocross bike will be faster on the road and on relatively smooth cross-country tracks.

It's basically a beefier road frame. It depends on your riding plans as well. Though, I'd definitely get one with disk brakes on it.

[originalhypa]

Why don't we talk about Knolly, Cove, and Devinci?

Instead of talking about bikes who only chest waxing pansies would ride...?

:troll:

:fuckyea:

WOOT!! I ride a Knolly and a Cove.
And a Transition, but they're always in Whistler so I consider them Canadian.


Anyone else heading up this weekend?
If you see an old guy ripping the pump track on a red Cove Sanchez, come say hello! Or that same guy being transported to the clinic with a Pabst Blue Ribbon Bottlerocket. But hopefully that won't happen.
:smug:

[Timpo]

Why don't you guys talk about our Canadian Bicycle.
Cervelo
Argon 18

you forgot CCM CCM (cycle) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCM_%28cycle%29)

http://images.canadianlisted.com/nlarge/ccm-mountain-bike-for-sale-240-surrey_7970191.jpg

[Akinari]

Why are we talking about Canadian Tire bikes jesus :facepalm:

[Timpo]

Check this out.
$138 :accepted:
Not a bad price for full suspension MTB. Only comes with V-brakes but that's ok for the price I guess.
Walmart Canada (http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/next-26-inch-mens-guantlet-mountain-bike/6000191046379)
http://i5.walmartimages.com/dfw/dce07b8c-82e4/k2-_a51e07f9-6092-4cf6-a450-740fea4471f2.v1.jpg

[Timpo]

ok this one is $198 but comes with front disk brake.
Walmart Canada (http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/wicked-fugitive-26-mens-bicycle/6000191047045)
http://a9.wal.co/images/Large/569/055/999999-28914569055.jpg