[Acura604]

are they ever going to fix this system?

SkyTrain: Service Disruptions. SkyTrain Major Jul 21 2014
12:32:PM
Due to a technical issue at Skytrain, there are significant delays impacting the Expo & Millennium Line trains. It is also impacting our ability to communicate to passengers in train cars or platforms. We are working hard to resolve this issue. For those passengers in the trains, please stay in the cars until instructed. Thank-you for your patience.

Please contact us at 604-953-3333 if you require route planning assistance.

here is a pic taken 10mins ago.... people on the frickin tracks trying to get off the stuck trains.
http://imageshack.com/a/img908/6132/0e4d4b.jpg

[b0unce. [?]]

that's pretty funny :lol

[jeedee]

:lawl:

[meme405]

Were those people told to get off the train and go on the tracks? If not then that's pretty dumb of them. If they were told to do that then Translink is out of their fucking minds for that.

I don't ride transit all that much anymore, aside from the ocasional seabus ride. When I used to transit to school it the skytrain and busses were pretty reliable. I was late maybe once or twice in two years due to their disruptions...

EDIT: Wow those people just decided to hop onto the live rails without any instructions, proof that one retard really can lead a crowd of people.

From another article:

This is the second time in five days that there has been a system-wide hold on the SkyTrain. The previous incident was blamed on a ‘massive computer glitch’. TransLink says the issue was “exacerbated by passengers who illegally walked onto [the] guideway.”

http://globalnews.ca/news/1464385/skytrain-goes-down-again-due-to-a-technical-issue/

[Hondaracer]

Lol.. Fuckin skidtrain

If I was on the old expo line with no AC and the car stopped for 20+ I'd probably be cracking the door and walking out as well

[jeedee]

Lol.. Fuckin skidtrain

If I was on the old expo line with no AC and the car stopped for 20+ I'd probably be cracking the door and walking out as well

Except it was the newer skytrain that comes with AC is what those people walked out of...

unless of course AC cut out with the communication system

transit not even once :lawl:

[twitchyzero]

looks pretty safe to me :drunk:

[kkthind]

Lol public transit

[inv4zn]

Yeah...

Let's walk out onto the path of an unmanned, computer-controlled train.
...When the train stopped because of a computer problem.

[yray]

toll skytrain for delays

[Gumby]

Lol.. Fuckin skidtrain

If I was on the old expo line with no AC and the car stopped for 20+ I'd probably be cracking the door and walking out as well
Especially if it was on a hot day and you were sitting next to someone with BO!

[Ch28]

Yeah...

Let's walk out onto the path of an unmanned, computer-controlled train.
...When the train stopped because of a computer problem.

Translink shut down power on all the tracks and their employees went to open the doors to guide them back to the nearest station.

[6o4__boi]

they might as well start playing this song everytime this happens

The Troll song (Full Song) - YouTube

[sonick]

https://twitter.com/TransLink/status/491306818690625536

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtF9dD-CcAE2q4J.jpg

:pokerface:

[yray]

shitty day for the staff... gotta walk to every train and walk back

[Traum]

According to VanCityBuzz:

Major SkyTrain shutdown due to technical issues (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/07/major-skytrain-shutdown-due-technical-issues/)

SkyTrain attendants are also walking along the tracks to stopped trains, opening car doors and guiding passengers safely towards the nearest station.

[murd0c]

I'm so happy I don't take the skytrain anymore. It's a fucken joke we spend so much for it and shit like this happens when all the big bosses get million dollar bonuses

[mb_]

:joy: :lawl:

[melloman]

are they ever going to fix this system?
Due to a technical issue at Skytrain, there are significant delays impacting the Expo & Millennium Line trains. It is also impacting our ability to communicate to passengers in train cars or platforms. We are working hard to resolve this issue. For those passengers in the trains, please stay in the cars until instructed. Thank-you for your patience.


EDIT: Wow those people just decided to hop onto the live rails without any instructions, proof that one retard really can lead a crowd of people.

Attendants were walking out to trains and safely letting people off.

Edit: INB4 Translink wants to up the taxes to "upgrade their computer systems from 1986 Expo System."

[Alby]

typical of them. a shit ton of miscommunication.

[iEatClams]

Man, translink is really fcking up big time.

I was stuck on the skytrain a month ago for 30 minutes. luckily there was A/C. but I can just imagine being stuck there next to some guy with huge B/O sticking his arms up holding onto the railing bars and armpits pointing your way. People need to use deodorant.

[RecklessNS]

My biggest fear is having a strong urge to take a shit while riding the skytrain and it shuts down in between stations. #theshitIhavetodealwith

[GS8]

http://media.tumblr.com/567178de585148c0ba4737a2ed9c8442/tumblr_inline_mkiwv3xoaA1qz4rgp.jpg

Evergreen Line

[pinn3r]

thank god i only take the canada line :joy:

[StylinRed]

I always wanted to walk on the skybridge/tracks maybe I should take the skytrain this week to see if I get my chance :)

[Traum]

SkyTrain goes down again due to a ?technical issue? | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1464385/skytrain-goes-down-again-due-to-a-technical-issue/)

TransLink spokesperson Jiana Ling says due to their current fare structure it is not possible to provide customers with a refund. She says they will have to “look at something else.”

:failed:

[dangonay]

I've taken SkyTrain to work for the last 8 years or so, and I've only been stuck a few times.

I'd say that's pretty damn reliable. I bet if you looked at the number of hours of uptime vs downtime you'd find the trains are way more reliable than any car on the road.

[meme405]

Attendants were walking out to trains and safely letting people off.

Edit: INB4 Translink wants to up the taxes to "upgrade their computer systems from 1986 Expo System."

At the time of my post the only information available through Translink's twitter, and through the articles about the subject were advising people to remain in the cabs.

Also last Thursday people did end up illegally entering the tracks after the train stopped.

So you can see where I draw my logic from.

[twitchyzero]

luckily it's a beautiful day...if this happened to me in gloomy november i would've flipped shit having to walk on the track.

[Bouncing Bettys]

On the other hand, it is somewhat reassuring to know that if there is a system error, the fail safe is to shut everything down. I'd hate to imagine trains dangerously accelerating or crashing into other trains while operators sit helplessly in the control room.

[haymura]

I've taken SkyTrain to work for the last 8 years or so, and I've only been stuck a few times.

I'd say that's pretty damn reliable. I bet if you looked at the number of hours of uptime vs downtime you'd find the trains are way more reliable than any car on the road.


well said.

even machines arent perfect but the uptime vs downtime ratio will tell you how its helped people's daily lives more than its given misery.

[AAnthony]

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[Hondaracer]

I've taken SkyTrain to work for the last 8 years or so, and I've only been stuck a few times.

I'd say that's pretty damn reliable. I bet if you looked at the number of hours of uptime vs downtime you'd find the trains are way more reliable than any car on the road.

for the operating costs and additional funding translink has I would sure as hell hope it's reliable.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I wonder what happens if you need to shit while stuck on the skytrain? Do you just pull your pants down and shit or walk out of the track and shit on the road below you?

[J.C]

looks the wait for busses is going to be long

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac258/Jiepo/20140721_150007_zps8496b22b.jpg (http://s905.photobucket.com/user/Jiepo/media/20140721_150007_zps8496b22b.jpg.html)

[Hondaracer]

That's like when it happened last week and there was a "3 hour wait" at metro town for busses

Like Jesus Christ people, you can't buck up for a taxi once a year? From metro regardless of where you're going it shouldn't be more than 60

[Traum]

I wonder what happens if you need to shit while stuck on the skytrain? Do you just pull your pants down and shit or walk out of the track and shit on the road below you?
Do you mean doing something like this?

https://badcanto.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/mainlandtourist1.jpg

http://beijingcream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Boy-pees-into-Hong-Kong-subway-trash-can.jpg

:troll:

[shawnly1000]

Vancouver Police ‏@VancouverPD 1m
"Suspended taxi enforcement" means that out-of-Vancouver taxi's are permitted to come into #YVR to pick up fares until #SkyTrain is back up

[Timpo]

All we need is to bring Japanese Rail Transport.

Rail transport in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Japanese railways are among the most punctual in the world. The average delay on the Tokaido Shinkansen in fiscal 2006 was only 0.3 minutes.[14] When trains are delayed for as little as five minutes, the conductor makes an announcement apologizing for the delay and the railway company may provide a "delay certificate" (遅延証明書), as no one would expect a train to be this late. Japanese passengers rely heavily on rail transit and take it for granted that trains operate on time. When trains are delayed for an hour or more, it may even appear in the newspaper."

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/upperclass/imgs/6/6/66338ff8.jpg

[shawnly1000]

LOL

Urgently Needed: Skytrain Computer Technician (New West) (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cpg/4580619194.html)

[tool001]

lol .. making it a funding issue..

MayorGregor
@MayorGregor
Repeated skytrain outages unacceptable. Transit system needs stable funding + local accountability! #bettertransitnow

[tool001]

@ timpo.. have u ever been to japan?

[sonick]

lol .. making it a funding issue..

MayorGregor
@MayorGregor
Repeated skytrain outages unacceptable. Transit system needs stable funding + local accountability! #bettertransitnow

I SO hope he gets completely inundated with anti-bike-lane tweets.

[dhari]

Timpo is Japan

[shawnly1000]

UPDATE - Millennium Line Skytrain has been re-started operating from VCC-Clark to Sapperton Station. Expo Line still being worked on.

[JesseBlue]

So many people who dont take the trains and complaining about it...sheesh...i take it everyday and days like these i get to go home early so i can hitch a ride with others...perfect for me...

[meme405]

So many people who dont take the trains and complaining about it...sheesh...i take it everyday and days like these i get to go home early so i can hitch a ride with others...perfect for me...

You are salaried I take it.

Transit...haha peasant.

This is a joke. Calm yourself.

[SoNaRWaVe]

so many people complain complain and complain. yes, i agree it is shitty that it happens. and the fact it happened within a week of each incident makes it that much worst.

but given the start time of the system until now, how many incidents have there been that are this huge?

i'd like to see you guys own a 20+ year car and for it to not have any problems.

[racerman88]

glad I don't take skytrain anymore

[shawnly1000]

UPDATE - Expo Line Skytrain Service has been re-started and appears to be holding. System wide now StateGreen

[Mr.HappySilp]

So many people who dont take the trains and complaining about it...sheesh...i take it everyday and days like these i get to go home early so i can hitch a ride with others...perfect for me...

I use it on a daily because is faster than driving. Is not such a big deal but when there is an issue transit doesn't response fast enough. Last week outrage I was stuck at VCC for an hour and the sky train attend there just told us find another way home withou providing any info on shuttle or anything like that ........

[vitaminG]

what about that time i got a flat tire or a dead battery or got stuck in the shitty traffic we get all the fucking time.

i wish i could take transit and only got stuck a few times a year for a couple hours.

[Timpo]

why is Skytrain so unreliable?

[DragonChi]

Skytrain was comissioned in 1986. That's almost 30 years of service. It's something to do with the power rails needing replacing. Which they are doing now.

REALITY CHECK: Why is SkyTrain breaking down so frequently? (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/07/why-is-skytrain-breaking-down-so-frequently/)

[ae101]

lol u guys need to go HK & take there metro system, bloody expensive & over charging ppl

a while back it broke twice with in the 1 month back to back, translink is a joke but MTR in hk is bullshit

[Traum]

The HK MTR used to be world class. It is only turning into shxt now because the higher ups are constantly sending their top technical expertise out of the city to do consulting work for other subway lines (even though those contract don't earn them very much money since they need to submit some fairly aggressive bids to get the contract in the first place). To make matter worse, the upper management retards are succumbing to both financial and political pressure from Mainland China, and started buying cheapa$$ Chinese-made replacement parts and trains. Continual ridership at 90%+ of capacity, including 100%+ ridership during peak hours also takes a toll on the hardware.

I, for one, am not at all surprised that MTR, much like a lot of other stuff in HK, has turned into shxt now.

[PiuYi]

I used to be quite convinced Translink is a total fuck up ......until I read this article and realized it's really the provincial government that has fucked shit up for the lower mainland

Finally, and most important of all, there is the issue of a cash strapped TransLink. While most public transit agencies are just responsible for public transit, TransLink’s mandate covers far beyond simply regional public transit but also major arterial roads and bridges. Case in point, TransLink is currently under public pressure to find a solution to replace the dangerous and seismically unsafe 1937-built Pattullo Bridge. The estimated cost? $1.2-billion.

Despite what many might think, when TransLink was founded in 1999 it was never given a steady, reliable, nor sufficient source of revenue to carry out its large mandate. In 2001, shortly after BC Transit handed over Metro Vancouver’s transportation responsibilities to TransLink, the BC NDP provincial government canceled the implementation of a crucial component of the agency’s revenue source – a $60.00 annual vehicle levy on the region’s motor vehicles to help fund the agency’s large mandate. This would have raised well over $1-billion in revenue for TransLink had the levy been collected by ICBC since 2001.

Fast forward to 2013, both the region’s public transit and road network are severely strained by high demand, congestion, and aging systems in certain areas. Apart from the SkyTrain Evergreen Line, which is currently well under construction, transit expansion has been put to a halt since 2009 when TransLink’s budget issues became a forefront issue. At the time, the public was warned that not only would expansion would be halted but existing service levels would be strained for funding as well.

TransLink’s primary revenue sources of property taxes and fares (some of the highest in the country) are now maxed out. TransLink’s fuel tax on the region’s vehicles has also reached its peak potential given the prevalence of fuel efficient vehicles. Record high fuel prices, in addition to fuel taxes, also act as a further deterrent to driving.

The only solution towards more and better public transit and roads is with provincial government leadership. Only the provincial government can grant TransLink new and additional revenue collection sources.

so while Translink is crumbling from anaemic funding, ICBC rakes in $600m profits annually, which conveniently goes to the government as general revenue



rest of the article is quite shitty, but here's the sauce anyway
REALITY CHECK: Why is SkyTrain breaking down so frequently? (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/07/why-is-skytrain-breaking-down-so-frequently/)

[StylinRed]

i dont see why they dont just issue bonds for bridge projects like many areas do for major projects (like china does for its airports, many municipalities do for public works projects)

[FS1992EG]

LOL, so who wants a private transit system now?

[Tapioca]

so many people complain complain and complain. yes, i agree it is shitty that it happens. and the fact it happened within a week of each incident makes it that much worst.

but given the start time of the system until now, how many incidents have there been that are this huge?

i'd like to see you guys own a 20+ year car and for it to not have any problems.

My family's 1993 Toyota Camry never had any problems that resulted in us getting stranded. My 1992 Integra was also bulletproof. Japanese cars from the 1990s > any other machine.

:troll:

[Timpo]

why do they call Skytrain "rapid transit" ??

As far as I know they're one of the slowest in the world.

[Timpo]

The HK MTR used to be world class. :suspicious:
Vancouver Skytrain
http://cdn.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/images/Vancouver-SkyTrain-Map.png

Hong Kong MTR
http://hong-kong-travel.org/Graphics/MTR_Map.gif

Shanghai Railway
http://www.chinatouristmaps.com/assets/images/expo2010/Underground_Traffic.jpg

Paris RATP
http://servan.free.fr/Paris-rail-map.jpg

London Rail Network
http://www.clarksbury.com/cdl/maps/connect99b.gif

JR Tokyo
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/livereak-gekiyaku/imgs/f/7/f70a45e5.png

[LightKeeper]

I think the millennium line loop is a bad design. The problem with this is if millennium line breaks down, they will have to shut down expo line too. This creates jams from 5 different areas. Since the skytrains are getting old, they should just separate the two and build another station at Columbia for a quick fix. Make it so people hop on to another set of tracks instead of sharing the same route from Columbia to waterfront.

[kkthind]

I wonder what BC transit is gonna do to compensate the riders :considered:

[4444]

I wonder what BC transit is gonna do to compensate the riders :considered:

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when you rely on a combo bus / skytrain it is really hard. getting from downtown to south delta is twice as long as it used to be when the 601/2/3/4 were around. but the bc liberals don't care about the conservative s. delta area, they care about richmond

[kkthind]

N
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when you rely on a combo bus / skytrain it is really hard. getting from downtown to south delta is twice as long as it used to be when the 601/2/3/4 were around. but the bc liberals don't care about the conservative s. delta area, they care about richmond

Thought they would give out free epic fail compass cards for the rider to make their already shitty public transit experience even more shitty

[falcon]

LOL @ everyone complaining about the skytrain. It's been around running for what, 20 years? Rarely has issues like this, but that's what happens when things get old or there are unforseen issues. Hell, in London some of their lines would be down for hours for similar reasons. It's not JUST a skytrain thing... if you don't want to rely on others and machines to get you where you need to go... buy a car. If you can't buy a car... be happy we have at least what we have even if it does have issues once in a while.

[shawnly1000]

TransLink says it's offering riders a free day of transit on BC Day to make up for recent outages.

[underscore]

LOL @ everyone complaining about the skytrain. It's been around running for what, 20 years? Rarely has issues like this, but that's what happens when things get old or there are unforseen issues. Hell, in London some of their lines would be down for hours for similar reasons. It's not JUST a skytrain thing... if you don't want to rely on others and machines to get you where you need to go... buy a car. If you can't buy a car... be happy we have at least what we have even if it does have issues once in a while.

Cars break down too. People can walk or STFU.

[Timpo]

Cars break down too. People can walk or STFU.

Yeah but well organized public transit should be way more reliable than driving cars.

Trains are immune to traffic jam if they're controlled and maintained properly.

as far as I can see, Skytrain is not even close to being reliable.

[classified]

TransLink says it's offering riders a free day of transit on BC Day to make up for recent outages.

paid for by the people driving cars. Thanks translink

[meme405]

TransLink says it's offering riders a free day of transit on BC Day to make up for recent outages.

At first I thought they were just trolling us all since they used to have free transit days on some holidays, but turns out that was only on Canada day.

In regards to the actual incident:

Human error led to Monday?s SkyTrain shut down: Translink to offer free transit day | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1466677/human-error-led-to-mondays-skytrain-shutdown-translink-to-offer-free-transit-day/)

Sounds like computer glitches and stuff is all just BS, a worker fucked the grid during routine maintenance.

[Timpo]

At first I thought they were just trolling us all since they used to have free transit days on some holidays, but turns out that was only on Canada day.

In regards to the actual incident:

Human error led to Monday?s SkyTrain shut down: Translink to offer free transit day | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1466677/human-error-led-to-mondays-skytrain-shutdown-translink-to-offer-free-transit-day/)

Sounds like computer glitches and stuff is all just BS, a worker fucked the grid during routine maintenance.:notbad: so it's unreliable 5% of the time
“Our trains are reliable 95% of the time, but we know that is little consolation for customers who are delayed for hours when we do have a significant breakdown,”

[underscore]

At first I thought they were just trolling us all since they used to have free transit days on some holidays, but turns out that was only on Canada day.

In regards to the actual incident:

Human error led to Monday?s SkyTrain shut down: Translink to offer free transit day | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1466677/human-error-led-to-mondays-skytrain-shutdown-translink-to-offer-free-transit-day/)

Sounds like computer glitches and stuff is all just BS, a worker fucked the grid during routine maintenance.

The weakest part of any system is the squishy meat sack we put in charge of it.

Yeah but well organized public transit should be way more reliable than driving cars.

Trains are immune to traffic jam if they're controlled and maintained properly.

as far as I can see, Skytrain is not even close to being reliable.

As you said afterwards, 95% reliability which is pretty damn good.

[Timpo]

As you said afterwards, 95% reliability which is pretty damn good.
ok wait a sec, what does 95% reliability mean?

does it mean train comes 95% of the time? or train doesn't break down 95% of time?

[pastarocket]

-agree that it's the provincial government which messed up Translink's revenue stream by cancelling that $60.00 car levy fee over a decade.

It's also more than just about a reliable stream of revenue for construction projects.

Why the heck did the government put Translink not only responsible for public transit but also bridges, roads, and other infrastructure? You have a group of non-elected executives, who I think couldn't even manage a 7 Eleven properly, look after all that stuff?? Make these executives elected officials who are accountable to the government.

They gotta learn from the Hong Kong MTR's management about development funded transit expansion model. Be a major property developer of condos around future skytrain stations to get more revenue from property sales instead of relying on our tax dollars. Why let real estate developers get all the money from selling condos?



Hong Kong?s Expanding Metro a Model of Development-Funded Transit « The Transport Politic (http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2010/12/14/hong-kongs-expanding-metro-a-model-of-development-funded-transit/)

[meme405]

ok wait a sec, what does 95% reliability mean?

does it mean train comes 95% of the time? or train doesn't break down 95% of time?

We can't be sure exactly. It depends on what their definition of "reliable" is.

It could mean 95% of the time, the train comes on time, and functions exactly as it should...

Or it could mean 95% of the time something shows up, even if it is 30 minutes late.

After all you can bend statistics and twist them anyway you like...

[inv4zn]

^Exactly.

95% reliable could mean that 95 out of 100 people end up where they originally needed to go at some point lol

[Tapioca]

Cars break down too. People can walk or STFU.

Here's my take on why people have unrealistic expectations between private and public transit:

It's about control and personal autonomy. When cars break down or if there's a major accident, people will not blame the car or accident because they still feel they are in control - whether they can take an alternative route, or conduct the repairs on their own time. When it comes to public transit, being stuck on a train or bus takes away a person's ability to rectify the situation.

[StaxBundlez]

:suspicious:
Vancouver Skytrain
http://cdn.tourbytransit.com/vancouver/images/Vancouver-SkyTrain-Map.png

Hong Kong MTR
http://hong-kong-travel.org/Graphics/MTR_Map.gif

Shanghai Railway
http://www.chinatouristmaps.com/assets/images/expo2010/Underground_Traffic.jpg

Paris RATP
http://servan.free.fr/Paris-rail-map.jpg

London Rail Network
http://www.clarksbury.com/cdl/maps/connect99b.gif

JR Tokyo
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/livereak-gekiyaku/imgs/f/7/f70a45e5.png




The JR system in Japan is pretty amazing; it's massive....

[bcedhk]

Service delay refunds - Transport for London (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/replacements-and-refunds/service-delay-refunds)

Translink should follow this. I wish.....

[Timpo]

^Exactly.

95% reliable could mean that 95 out of 100 people end up where they originally needed to go at some point lol

well that's fucking shit then.

Reliability | Central Japan Railway Company (http://english.jr-central.co.jp/about/reliability.html)

[Timpo]

Here's my take on why people have unrealistic expectations between private and public transit:

It's about control and personal autonomy. When cars break down or if there's a major accident, people will not blame the car or accident because they still feel they are in control - whether they can take an alternative route, or conduct the repairs on their own time. When it comes to public transit, being stuck on a train or bus takes away a person's ability to rectify the situation.

well that too, but Skytrain is exceptionally unreliable.
they clearly have no idea what they're doing, especially considering how simple their route is.

[nsx042003]

well that too, but Skytrain is exceptionally unreliable.
they clearly have no idea what they're doing, especially considering how simple their route is.

Oh, they have no idea alright. Look at Compass. But that's another topic...

[twitchyzero]

wasn't translink historically free for an entire week in July?
1 holiday freebie seems pretty weak

[meme405]

When cars break down or if there's a major accident, people will not blame the car or accident because they still feel they are in control

This is false, at least for me.

I constantly blame/get upset at people who get into accidents because of their shitty driving habits, especially when they start causing huge delays and major traffic jams while the exchange information right in the middle of the road instead of pulling to the side like considerate human beings.

I saw an accident at kingsway and Griffith today, right where they are currently doing construction and there is backups pretty much all day long. Two cars involved in a minor fender bender blocked traffic for god knows how long (cars were backed up in for like 8 blocks) while they exchanged information.

If you're car works pull to the fucking side and deal with it, don't stay parked in the middle of the road.

Let the shitty drivers thread be a constant testament to the fact that people do indeed blame/get upset at others who cause delays and problems on the road.

wasn't translink historically free for an entire week in July?
1 holiday freebie seems pretty weak

Translink is underfunded, if they start giving away free fares for a week we are just going to have our taxes bumped in order to make up the difference. In the end the money has to come from somewhere... And translink is a Monopoly, they could not give you transit users a thing, and you guys could do nothing but huff and puff. So be happy that the rest of us road users are funding your free day aboard public transit and pipe down.

[Traum]

In regards to the actual incident:

Human error led to Monday?s SkyTrain shut down: Translink to offer free transit day | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1466677/human-error-led-to-mondays-skytrain-shutdown-translink-to-offer-free-transit-day/)

Sounds like computer glitches and stuff is all just BS, a worker fucked the grid during routine maintenance.
It is a universally known fact that humans are far from perfect. Mistakes happen -- it's human nature. In this case, an (experienced) electrician fxxked up, and unfortunately the fxxk up happened to be critical, resulting in a 5 hour system wide delay.

I dunno about others, but in my line of work, we generally don't fxxk around with the production system during regular operating hours at all. If we are forced to do so, we plan it well in advanced and send out notices and subsequent reminders to all the stakeholders. And while we work on the production system, it generally means the production system gets shut down or becomes inaccessible to the regular users.

What I am saying is, it makes no sense that Translink was sending out a field tech (electrician, in this case) to work on their production system (the Skytrain) during regular operating hours when there is a risk that the whole system can get shut down (in this case, it did). The front line electrician definitely deserves a share of the blame in bringing the whole Skytrain down, but the management staff who planned / approved this deserves at least as much blame as the electrician, if not more so. As a matter of fact, if the electrician in this case has explicitly warned his supervisor / manager of the potential danger, and the supervisor / manager has decided that the job should still be done during regular operating hours, the majority of the blame should fall on the decision maker's shoulders, not the front line worker who is merely following orders.

It is ironic how the electrician is now suspended, but the supervisor who directed this work isn't.

[Shark Tank]

The JR system in Japan is pretty amazing; it's massive....

the japanese are amazing in this respect. produce some of the best cars in the world save for Germans. Produce #1 electronics technology in the world.

the Japanese live to work while Canadians work to live. It clearly shows with the quality and amazing things that come out of Japan. remember Japan is a small island and its one of the most desirable unique places to travel to. everything the Japanese do is efficient, tidy, proficient ground breaking

[SoNaRWaVe]

as much as i don't really like crediting vancity buzz as a good source of news, this was fairly interesting.

Vancouverites are spoiled with SkyTrain (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/07/vancouverites-spoiled-skytrain/)

[Hondaracer]

in Switzerland they claim to have a higher efficiency with their trains than the japanese, from my experience i'd say it would be pretty hard to beat but i've never been to japan

[ae101]

i been through the worst, HK MTR, TRANSLINK & GUANGZHOU METRO, they 3 are the worst transit systems ever, anything is better then these 3

a 2 lines in hk lost signal due the lighting strikes yesterday & the guangzhou metro is full of shit, there is no directed airport line

aka means its not like canada where u get to transfer to a yvr train directly to the airport, they only have an airport stop (so your pretty much fucked during rush hour)

[StaxBundlez]

in Switzerland they claim to have a higher efficiency with their trains than the japanese, from my experience i'd say it would be pretty hard to beat but i've never been to japan

Just by looking at the map of the JR system can be mind boggling.. but they actually made it easy enough that i saw a mother drop off her daughter.. who could not have been any older than 9.. and she hopped on the train.. not from the train platform.. no.. from the entrance that goes down into the subway system.. I've seen little kids travelling that thing a couple of times.. I'm pretty glad i got a chance to see their system.. cause when i got back to canada.. translink pales in comparison but again keep in mind the size of tokyo and population density.. we're talking about 37 million in tokyo alone acrossd 23 different districts, compared to not even 3 mil in vancouver..

[Timpo]

Just by looking at the map of the JR system can be mind boggling.. but they actually made it easy enough that i saw a mother drop off her daughter.. who could not have been any older than 9.. and she hopped on the train.. not from the train platform.. no.. from the entrance that goes down into the subway system.. I've seen little kids travelling that thing a couple of times.. I'm pretty glad i got a chance to see their system.. cause when i got back to canada.. translink pales in comparison but again keep in mind the size of tokyo and population density.. we're talking about 37 million in tokyo alone acrossd 23 different districts, compared to not even 3 mil in vancouver..If you're talking about area, Tokyo is actually smaller. But more people, and yes much dense as you said, with much more buildings, railways, etc.

Tokyo Metropolis
2,187 km2

Greater Vancouver
2,700 km2

[4444]

as much as i don't really like crediting vancity buzz as a good source of news, this was fairly interesting.

Vancouverites are spoiled with SkyTrain (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/07/vancouverites-spoiled-skytrain/)

that is an extremely one sided argument made by someone with an agenda. i also wouldn't trust the numbers presented - he clearly made them in excel.

skytrain's not bad, but it's not good, nor is it particularly affordable. I hope the affordability improves when the oyster card system is introduced, but stupid things like inconsistencies between buses and skytrain make the whole translink experience beyond frustrating.

i wasn't happy that the article spent so much time talking about portland. road based trams are way cheaper than our system, and I've found them to be way more user friendly. you need trains for further away stops, trams / metro for the inter and intra city movements, with busses sprinkled around for the less popular routes. skytrains are an expensive luxury that aren't all that luxurious (to use, to look at, etc.) - we only have them because our roads aren't built with a long term vision, so we cannot easily integrate non-bus transit on the roads.

[inv4zn]

as much as i don't really like crediting vancity buzz as a good source of news, this was fairly interesting.

Vancouverites are spoiled with SkyTrain (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/07/vancouverites-spoiled-skytrain/)

That is a terrible article - I can sum it up in one line: "Hey bitches, stop whining, we're not the worst in North America!"

Yeah ok, so is the kid who got 55% in math - but he's still a dunce.

The only thing I agree with in that article is in one of the comments: the only thing Vancouverites are spoiled with is that they get a chance to walk on the tracks; something nobody in other countries can do!

[inv4zn]

Lol...apparently another "glitch" this morning.

Metro Vancouver morning rush hour hit with SkyTrain delays - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-vancouver-morning-rush-hour-hit-with-skytrain-delays-1.2715608)

[Mr.HappySilp]

Lol...apparently another "glitch" this morning.

Metro Vancouver morning rush hour hit with SkyTrain delays - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/metro-vancouver-morning-rush-hour-hit-with-skytrain-delays-1.2715608)

My co-worker was on it and it was delay for about 40mins. :accepted:

[Noir]

in Switzerland they claim to have a higher efficiency with their trains than the japanese, from my experience i'd say it would be pretty hard to beat but i've never been to japan

I can vouch for this. Not even speaking of trains which is 99% on schedule down to the minute, i would say even their (Japan) buses alone is just as punctual.

Having grown up in the lower mainland, that just blew my mind where transit schedules are generally treated as nothing more than a guideline rather than an actual schedule

[v_tec]

Again.

SkyTrain problem hits Canada Line (http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=10058734)

[meme405]

Again.

SkyTrain problem hits Canada Line (http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=10058734)

Yeah but I thought this was due to a power outage to the entire area, can't really knock em for that.

Unless Translink caused the power outage. :lawl:

[josayeee]

Now Translink can conveniently ask for more money.

[Timpo]

lol now it makes me wonder if they're doing this on purpose or not

[bobbinka]

lol now it makes me wonder if they're doing this on purpose or not

:rukidding:

[Bouncing Bettys]

Timpo = CiC

[Timpo]

:rukidding:

:suspicious: what? I was actually serious

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5126566656/hC738C370/

[Timpo]

Timpo = CiC

what does CiC mean?

when I google it this came up Citizenship and Immigration Canada (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/)

[Bouncing Bettys]

Thats right.

[MG1]

what does CiC mean?

when I google it this came up Citizenship and Immigration Canada (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/)

Translated, it means bakatare. Actually, somewhere between ahotare and kusottare. Wakarimashitaga?

It stands for Charles in Charge.


Sorry, guys, I had to tell him.

[CharlesInCharge]

CiC hat on :troll:
This was a trial test to see how cattle needed to be moved around in-case of a first nations protest attack or an eminent future false flag for our world class, Olympic city.

[luibei]

"Thank you for your feedback. Unfortunately, unforeseen delays can happen with SkyTrain or any part of the transit system without notice. Our technicians worked as fast as possible to rectify the issue. Unfortunately, we do not provide compensation for service delays as we did provide alternate service such as a bus bridge along the SkyTrain line. We regret any inconvenience this service delay caused.

Sincerely,

Customer Relations Department
CMBC"

had to take a taxi after I had already paid for fare...

[shawnly1000]

News1130
‏@News1130radio
@TransLink CEO Ian Jarvis says Gary McNeil, leading the independent review of #SkyTrain disruptions, will be paid roughly $1,200/day.

[Jmac]

.
Assuming he's working 8 hours/day, $150/hour is pretty cheap ...

[Tapioca]

Assuming he's working 8 hours/day, $150/hour is pretty cheap ...

That's a pretty standard rate for independent consultants, probably on the cheaper side. Of course, the people who will likely be upset by that figure are people who work hourly and don't understand that their real cost to their organizations is double what they are actually paid.

[inv4zn]

Double is a very conservative amount lol.

Our multiplier is 3.8x right now haha.

[pastarocket]

Another reason behind all these recent Skytrain reliability issues may be the computers that run the system.

Servers from 1994 and floppy disks for rebooting system? :heckno:

TransLink gives tour of SkyTrain computer room | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2014/08/05/translink-gives-tour-of-skytrain-computer-room/)

[Presto]

Skytrain issues again. Happy Monday!
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) (http://www.news1130.com/2015/01/12/skytrain-service-disruption-in-downtown-vancouver/) – Some kind of power problem has all westbound SkyTrain service stopping at Stadium station.

A bus bridge is getting people between Stadium and Waterfront stations “but this cannot replace the full service capacity of the trains,” reads a release from TransLink.

Expect delays.

“Passengers going from Stadium to Granville may find walking faster,” reads the release.

There is one eastbound shuttle train every 10 minutes from Waterfront to Stadium. All westbound trains are stopping at Stadium and turning back.

TransLink hopes to have service back to normal by 8 a.m.

The power issue itself is at Waterfront Station.

For up to the minute traffic updates, you can follow us on Twitter @News1130Traffic or subscribe to breaking news alerts sent directly to your inbox. You can also listen live to traffic reports every 10 minutes on the ones.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Took me 30 minutes to get from Joyce to Commercial... :lol

[meme405]

A bus bridge connecting the most heavily congested area of the system, which often is also the busiest portion of the system based on passenger levels....:heckno:

[Sw0op]

There are 3 things that are always certain in life:

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Monthly translink issues

[Mr.HappySilp]

no issue for me when I took the skytrain this morning but it was at like 7:45am. I do notice there are more ppl waiting though.

[ZN6]

Glad I decided not to be a lazy fuck and cycle to work today.

[Habboy]

http://i.imgur.com/itbULUp.jpg

[Habboy]

^^^^^Meanwhile, back on the Skytrain^^^^^

[MG1]

Should have been ADHD since he's like black.......

[Infiniti]

Should have been ADHD since he's like black.......

http://i.giphy.com/jBGLPBllLQM3m.gif

[saucywoman]

I got on at Nanaimo at 750ish and was stuck there about 5 mins before it moved. Ended up missing the seabus and therefore connecting bus and was late :/ Was late last week due to the fog and missed the bus that goes to the automall. I don't mind walking from Fell & Marine, but it doesn't get me to work on time

[teg_101]

TransLink stuck with out-of-date tech | Vancouver 24 hrs (http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2015/01/14/translink-stuck-with-out-of-date-tech)

Word on the street is that they are planning to operate their trains using Ipads.. ;)

[Traum]

As much as I despise TransLink, I am going to "defend" them on their "out-of-date" tech a bit here.

A lot of people have the tendency to think that out-dated tech is a bad thing. In a lot of cases, they would be right. But at the same time, they would also be wrong in a lot of scenarios. Having worked in the technology field, I can assure you that a lot of times, the golden mantra of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" is just so true.

Case in point -- suppose a business scans documents into electronic format using a piece of specialty software that scans stuff into a Windows XP PC. For far too many times, I have seen places that replaces any single piece of this equipment in the workflow for whatever reason it may be, and things promptly goes haywire. If the PC box got replaced, perhaps the software isn't compatible with Win7 / 8. Or maybe the scanner isn't supported by the new OS. Or maybe the scanning software is supposed to work, but somehow doesn't.

Applying the situation to TransLink, I obviously don't know how their IT systems work. But given the history and age of their systems, I would not at all be surprised if at least some of their stuff are still running on old legacy systems because those are the only things that can keep the system running.

[underscore]

The old systems are also a lot simpler and in many cases easier to troubleshoot, and if they provide everything needed to properly run things why the hell would you waste money on an upgrade to an untested system when your proven technology works? In these days of widespread internet usage many developers simply rely on updates to fix bugs found in overcomplicated software instead of properly QAing it in the first place, as much as people knock this old system can you imagine the backlash if they spent a bunch of money to upgrade to a new system and things got worse?

[meme405]

As much as I despise TransLink, I am going to "defend" them on their "out-of-date" tech a bit here.

A lot of people have the tendency to think that out-dated tech is a bad thing. In a lot of cases, they would be right. But at the same time, they would also be wrong in a lot of scenarios. Having worked in the technology field, I can assure you that a lot of times, the golden mantra of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" is just so true.

Case in point -- suppose a business scans documents into electronic format using a piece of specialty software that scans stuff into a Windows XP PC. For far too many times, I have seen places that replaces any single piece of this equipment in the workflow for whatever reason it may be, and things promptly goes haywire. If the PC box got replaced, perhaps the software isn't compatible with Win7 / 8. Or maybe the scanner isn't supported by the new OS. Or maybe the scanning software is supposed to work, but somehow doesn't.

Applying the situation to TransLink, I obviously don't know how their IT systems work. But given the history and age of their systems, I would not at all be surprised if at least some of their stuff are still running on old legacy systems because those are the only things that can keep the system running.

The inverse of this is the fact that failure to adapt and evolve leads to eventual demise.

Think blackberry, they failed to see a shift, in 3 years they managed to fall 10 years behind their competition.

[Traum]

The inverse of this is the fact that failure to adapt and evolve leads to eventual demise.

Think blackberry, they failed to see a shift, in 3 years they managed to fall 10 years behind their competition.
Of course the failure to adapt and evolve would lead to eventual demise. Another reality to take into consideration is, as the hardware ages, chances of failure / breakdown goes up, and it becomes increasingly impossible to repair / replace the dated technology.

All I'm saying is -- old / out-dated doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Companies need to have back up plans as well as future upgrade plans to minimize system failure risks.

BTW, meme405, with TransLink, I don't really see how they'd have any direct competitors at all. Private vehicles, car sharing schemes, cycling, etc. are all only partial competitors to TransLink. Until teleportation becomes a reality, I'd say TransLink has its grip on public transportation nice and firm.

[meme405]

Of course the failure to adapt and evolve would lead to eventual demise. Another reality to take into consideration is, as the hardware ages, chances of failure / breakdown goes up, and it becomes increasingly impossible to repair / replace the dated technology.

All I'm saying is -- old / out-dated doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Companies need to have back up plans as well as future upgrade plans to minimize system failure risks.

BTW, meme405, with TransLink, I don't really see how they'd have any direct competitors at all. Private vehicles, car sharing schemes, cycling, etc. are all only partial competitors to TransLink. Until teleportation becomes a reality, I'd say TransLink has its grip on public transportation nice and firm.

So because of the lack of competition they can afford to strive towards mediocrity?

I never said old tech has anything wrong with it, but when new technology comes along which would improve a companies bottom line, or could help simplify operations, they should absolutely at least explore the option...

Having 15% of you computers running older processors doesn't mean shit, I could care less about that, hell at my company we have dozens of people running old hardware, it doesn't matter because these people are not affected by this since the computer isn't the limitation, they are.

I'm not saying translink is fucked or not (at least not based on their tech being outdated). I'm just saying there is a flip side to your generic post.

[Spoon]

So because of the lack of competition they can afford to strive towards mediocrity?

I never said old tech has anything wrong with it, but when new technology comes along which would improve a companies bottom line, or could help simplify operations, they should absolutely at least explore the option...

They call it the Compass pass. :accepted:

[meme405]

They call it the Compass pass. :accepted:

Lol I said evaluate it, not blindly try and adopt it since it might have possibly worked in another city...

My point is only that the danger of staying stagnant is just as real as the danger in taking a risk and initiating some change.

[Spoon]

Lol I said evaluate it, not blindly try and adopt it since it might have possibly worked in another city...


Project fails . . . They went into it blindly. Didn't do their due dligience.

My point is only that the danger of staying stagnant is just as real as the danger in taking a risk and initiating some change.

Staying stagnant . . . You're susceptible to change.


I'm not saying translink is fucked or not (at least not based on their tech being outdated). I'm just saying there is a flip side to your generic post.

Here's an original one for you: Hindsight is 20/20.

[Tapioca]

The province should just privatize the system and let the people who depend on it fend for themselves. Like used cars, sometimes infrastructure are beyond economic value to maintain. Then, at least fear-mongers such as the Canadian Tax Payers Federation can find a new fish to fry.

Who cares about the poor anyway? If I can save a few bucks a year to maintain my stable of project cars, it's all worth it. Right?

:troll:

[meme405]

Project fails . . . They went into it blindly. Didn't do their due dligience.

Actually the compass thing was a huge fail right from the start, I mean you could just see the hurdles, and translink faceplanted at every single one of them.

I will give them one thing, they kept getting up again, it's just too bad they just continued getting battered.

But yes, somewhere a long the line I think everyone can agree that this shit was not thoroughly thought out...

[SoNaRWaVe]

its always easier said than done and even easier to just point fingers. as said before, hindsight is always 20/20

nothing new ever works 100%. nothing can be improved without mistakes and obstacles.

you want a newer/updated system to run the trains? no problem. up goes the cost of either fares or pst or other revenue collection for translink. then in come the bitching.

oh, new system doesn't work 100% yet, more problems arise from the newer system in a shorter span timeframe than the number of huge errors made from the old system after all these years of running. more bitching.

there is just no pleasing everybody. all anybody can do in any business is to deal damage control when accidents/incidents happen. accidents happen simply because they are accidents. if anybody can foresee any of it, there wouldn't be any accidents.

you think the current systems in the world had their own "compass" system up and running right at the get go? i highly doubt it.

[Traum]

I don't expect perfection, but the Compass was a complete failure from the get go. According to this CTV news report (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/compass-card-upgrade-costing-extra-23-million-translink-1.1493277), Translink currently loses ~$10M a year to fare evasion, but they pay Cubic Corp $12M per year to operate the Compass system once it is in place, and this does not include the up front costs to build the system in the first place.

Where else in the world do you find such a boneheaded plan???

I can't find the link anymore, but in another news report that I read, the Compass system was not meeting the data transfer performance requirements set out by Translink. IIRC, TransLink was expecting a processing speed of 0.3 sec per transaction at the bus tap out sensor, but the current system that this Cubic Corp implemented requries ~1 sec per tap out transaction. Again, what kind of boneheaded engineering firm would not implement alternative solutions to meet the required performance targets? I am not a mobile networking expert by any means, even with my basic IT understanding, I can think of at least several viable conceptual models that can work around the performance limitations to deliver the required performance targets. Why the hired engineering firm did not choose to implement this is completely beyond me.

In the end, it is the taxpayers that foot the bill. :failed:

[SoNaRWaVe]

there are certain things i do know that i am not at liberty to say in regards to the performance issue. but it is being worked on.

12M a year to operate the system is a lot but think of the bigger picture. every project has a time frame before its pros outweigh the cons. eventually, the system will pay off, but when? who knows.

based off other systems, the compass card may eventually get rid of zones and promote more ridership which in turns generate more revenue. it should decrease fare evasion (completely getting rid of fare evasion doesn't sound like its feasible) and thus increase revenue. data collected may improve routes more efficiently and may decrease operating costs.

the thing i do agree with is that they should have went with the companies that have built such a system before.

[Timpo]

It's funny how one of the best bullet train country in the world, Canada can't even run skytrain properly.

Translink should stop buying cheap ass systems/trains from overseas like Korea and Taiwan, I know it's gonna cost more, but just stick to Canadian. They need to replace whole fleet to Canadian made Bombardier, as well as their operating systems.
Bombardier - The only manufacturer of planes and trains (http://www.bombardier.com/en/home.html)

High Speed Rail
http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/Banners/banner-920x270/bt/ZEFIRO380-EMU-5603.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.920.270.jpeg

Automated Monorail
http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/Banners/banner-920x270/bt/INNOVIAMonorail300-4795.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.920.270.jpeg

Metro
http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/Banners/banner-920x270/bt/MOVIA-Metro-Singapore-4115.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.920.270.jpeg

Intracity Rail
http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/Banners/banner-920x270/bt/TWINDEXXSwissExpress-EMU-Switzerland-4907.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.920.270.jpeg

Bombardier Control Centre
http://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/Banners/banner-920x270/bt/CITYFLO650-Control-Room-Shenzhen-China-5268.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.920.270.jpeg

[tonyzoomzoom]

even with the best engineered / built trains from Canada or the world, leave it to Translink to screw them up.

[Alby]

hrm, if the compass system is there to decrease fare evasion, how about having the actual skytrain employees have a presence in the stations and actually check fares. i bet that would be cheaper to pay their wages vs the compass system

[buhdeh]

hrm, if the compass system is there to decrease fare evasion, how about having the actual skytrain employees have a presence in the stations and actually check fares. i bet that would be cheaper to pay their wages vs the compass system

They already pay skytrain attendants $30/hr to stand in front of the stations. The union probably doesn't want them to work too hard either.

[SoNaRWaVe]

cuz you know, have a skytrain attendant at every station to check fare. they catch one with no fare, then now how many more will pass by without a fare? then how many people are you going to actually man at one station?

[meme405]

cuz you know, have a skytrain attendant at every station to check fare. they catch one with no fare, then now how many more will pass by without a fare? then how many people are you going to actually man at one station?

yeah but the $100 ticket makes up for those other people's fare they missed catching and then some... :toot:

[bcedhk]

The whole automated system just won't work for a 'world class' rail system. Just think, pretty much 90% of the world's leading rail system (e.g. japan, south korea, hong kong, stockholm, amsterdam) all are operated by humans.

Technology is never going to be 100% and I am pretty sure even if translink spends hundreds of millions to update its server and electronics, is still bound to fuck up somewhere due to its AI.

Honestly, if they want to create a better system, they should do what the rest of the world does... Get train operators/conductors and a team of trained station staffs. Not only will it be more efficient, it will also help create jobs.

[SoNaRWaVe]

i don't think it is more efficient. i can't find the vancitybuzz article that kenneth wrote but he made a good comparison between our transit system and other transit systems world wide. ours run on more frequent trips than staff operated trains and we wait less. especially during peak hours.

[Timpo]

yeah I wonder how much $ they lose in fare every year? people are getting free rides all the time.

why can't they just purchase one of these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4y9Msojais

[Alby]

that does nothing really to deter fare evasion. whats stopping people from jumping over those dinky gates?

[Habboy]

Meanwhile, things are back to normal on the Skytrain

http://nycsummertime.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/weird-subway-people-25.jpg

[yray]

that does nothing really to deter fare evasion. whats stopping people from jumping over those dinky gates?


when it goes beep beep beep and everyone is staring at you

[meme405]

that does nothing really to deter fare evasion. whats stopping people from jumping over those dinky gates?

Well that's all they have currently installed at the stations I have seen. So they aren't going with anything more hardcore than that so far.

The next logical step up from these are the full size turnstiles like New York has in many places:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.474936!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/alg-subway-turnstiles-jpg.jpg

God damn these things make the place look depressing, and also if you have luggage impossible to walk through. At least with the waist high things you can lift your luggage over it or whatever.

[ZN6]

Meanwhile, things are back to normal on the Skytrain

http://nycsummertime.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/weird-subway-people-25.jpg

Snape looks unamused.

Back, somewhat, on topic, Compass is a good idea; the follow-through is what's terrible. I've never seen such a waste of tax-payer money. Every time I have to take transit, it's just a constant reminder of the fuck-up of an implimentation.

[Alby]

when it goes beep beep beep and everyone is staring at you

well im pretty sure if someone is going to skimp on the fare, pretty sure they couldn't care less

[SoNaRWaVe]

if you can hop it, it probably won't go beep beep beep. at least compass doors are somewhat bigger and harder to jump. the ones in that video can easily be done without effort.

however, i highly doubt there is anything stopping anyone with some strength to simply push it open.

[pastarocket]

Translink is a bloody joke. This thread will still be full of posts about skytrains issues even if a transit tax comes into effect to expand the system.

This organization is a black hole which sucks in tax dollars with very little to show for it.

-heard some kids complain about Skytrain today after telling their buddies that they do not ever pay the fare. :whistle:


http://www.quickmeme.com/img/18/187078aa625ff8f0ac295049c775e9ffe9107c20ee033d320c edf8c2d9067fe4.jpg

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ that's why I am voting no. Clean up the current system with your current fundings first before more funds are given out.