[racerman88]

I hope that it was no one from here as there was a fatality.
I saw a Mercedes and a Del Sol.

Condolences to the families

[dangonay]

Fucking asshole drunk driver in the Mercedes. Glad the POS was arrested at the scene by police and didn't to the "crash and dash".

[Marco911]

I hope that it was no one from here as there was a fatality.
I saw a Mercedes and a Del Sol.

Condolences to the families

When I read this I knew the fatality was in the Del Sol and the occupants of the Mercedes (assuming they were belted) would walk away.

[Energy]

I saw this on my way to work. Rip to the del sol driver.

[originalhypa]

http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2014/07/crash.png?w=720&h=393&crop=1

Drunk driving kills.
:(

[dangonay]

Drunk driving kills.:(

Unfortunately, it usually kills someone other than the drunk.

Went over the bridge after 9:00 this morning and they only just started extracting the driver of the Del Sol.

[godwin]

Holy skid mark Batman!

It looks like a AMG CLA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt3_Iu5IUAE-q88.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r0Ehatv.jpg

[meme405]

Capital punishment needs to be brought back...

My thoughts and prayers are with the family of that del sol driver.

[nsx042003]

didn't look like a head on, was it high speed rear end?

RIP delsol driver...

[SpartanAir]

They're saying a rear end. So sad, 20+years of quality and technological improvements in the Merc, the Del Sol didn't have a chance.

RIP

[shenmecar]

I wish I didn't do a Google search for a picture of the Del Sol. My heart aches after seeing it. RIP to the driver of the Del Sol.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/cms/binary/10078983.jpg

[BBMme]

Very sad. Rip

[4444]

drunk driver will get slap on wrist

friend of mine had most of his family killed by a drunk driver, he spent not 1 day in jail.

what a disgusting shame. drink driving should just not even be in our mentality anymore.

[multicartual]

Drinking and driving is so fucking retarded


First thing you learn when you become an expert partier is that you never, ever drive even after 1 fucking drink!!!

[6o4__boi]

RIP

saw it on the news this morning. That del sol looked like an ek hatchback because of the impact of the rear end.

[N8]

RIP :(

It'd be interesting to see if the merc's CPU can tell how fast he was going before impact...

[westopher]

Drinking and driving is so fucking retarded


First thing you learn when you become an expert partier is that you never, ever drive even after 1 fucking drink!!! The thing is, its just so fucking retarded, and if you can afford to go out to drink in this expensive city, you can afford a cab, or a bus ticket. Why risk it? Hopefully the driver (if it turns out to be true he was drunk) kills himself at his nearest opportunity to take himself out of the gene pool. The thing is, its going to be some rich little fuck, who parents get him the best lawyer because their little angel can do no wrong, and he will get off, because all you need to be above the law is to have the money for it. We are the new America.

[knight604]

I read the crash was so bad for the del sol that they had to move the car to another location to remove the bodies.

[ZN6]

That is sad, I ride under that bridge to work every day. At 3:45am, it's just a couple of hours before I would have rode under that same bridge.

I hope the drunk driver drives into a wall the next so that he doesn't kill anyone else for such irresponsible actions.

[multicartual]

because all you need to be above the law is to have the money for it. We are the new America.


It has always been like that:

Guy with money gets off on law cases
Guy with money attracts the best looking women with zero effort
Guy with money has all of the opportunities to make more money with his money

When you have money the world is awesome and you have to fuck up pretty bad to have a bad day

When you have no money the world is designed to keep you having no money, serving the rich to make them more money plus facilitating the ease of their lifestyles along with keeping you from having access to the quality women men with money have access to

The only thing to do is... make sure you have money!!! :D

[multicartual]

Merc crashing into a Civic and killing the driver, if he gets off, will be a good metaphor for how Vancouver is a playground for the rich and if you are poor you should shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the way

[westopher]

Its true, but it seems more prevalent now. Maybe I'm just more aware of how much it fucking sucks now that I'm older and worry more about family, politics, finance and the state of the world than a night spent partying. I wish that shitty movie the purge was real, and better.

[KO7]

RIP to Del Sol driver. Hope the piece of shit Merc driver doesn't get let off lightly.

[multicartual]

Maybe I'm just more aware of how much it fucking sucks now that I'm older


Dude for the last 5 years of my life I have been struggling to come to terms with the truth of western society:

Money and fame are our new gods

If you are well-known and have money, you literally walk on water. Women throw themselves at you, money just attracts to you, and the laws that apply to mortals do not apply the same way to you.

Being narcissistic is generally an advantageous trait these days as it ties in with how image-based our society has become. Once you secure social capital, you are the fucking man!

Here's to hoping that the driver of the Merc is made an example of. What a fucking asshole.

[underscore]

How fast was that Mercedes going? Drunk driving is a bad enough problem, speeding like crazy while drunk is even more ridiculous.

[Great68]

Being able to finance a CLA AMG does not classify a person as rich in my books.

[StanleyR]

driver was released from custody today

interested to see how this all plays out.

My guess is this story will drop from the radar, and the driver will get off with little more than a slap on the wrist.

[6o4__boi]

everytime i hear about rich kids causing stupid shit i think of this scene

The OC - Rich Kids - YouTube

[dangonay]

It'd be interesting to see if the merc's CPU can tell how fast he was going before impact...

Yes they can. Airbags would be deployed and they can tell the speed the airbags were triggered at and if the driver had their foot on the accelerator or brakes. They should also be able to get several seconds of driving data before the airbags went off.



So police are looking for a third vehicle. Skid marks at the scene lead them to believe another vehicle was witness to the accident, but didn't stick around.

Only two possibilities I can think of:

- The other driver was racing with the Mercedes, realized he's in deep shit and took off.
- The other driver had nothing to do with the accident at all, but left because they didn't want to stick around to wait for the police. Perhaps they were also drinking and were worried of being caught driving impaired, even though they did nothing wrong.


Regardless, the witness is a POS for not sticking around.

[GabAlmighty]

And people are surprised when I say I wanna leave the city..

[dangonay]

little more than a slap on the wrist.

Why do people keep saying this? If you Google search for drunk drivers in BC you get lots of stories of people getting prison time for drunk driving causing death.

I'd like someone to point me to a case where a person was actually convicted of impaired driving causing death and never spent a day in jail. Not a case that went to trial and the person was found not guilty - that's a completely different matter altogether.


It sounds like the police will have a good case here since they were able to apprehend the driver at the scene and perform a breathalyzer on him.

[nma]

Wow. I'm sure everyone has made mistakes in the past. Wishing death upon this guy for making an absolutely horrid decision? Not so sure I agree with that. RIP to the driver.

Also, to be honest, pretty sick of all the retarded assumptions people make here.. "Fucking rich c-lai probably get his parents to pay for a sick lawyer.."
"fucking asshole blah blah blah"

Yeah, because every decision you've made in your life has been perfect, and you've never had someone bail you out when you made a stupid one. You should have probably ended your life on the spot.

[GabAlmighty]

Wow. I'm sure everyone has made mistakes in the past. Wishing death upon this guy for making an absolutely horrid decision? Not so sure I agree with that. RIP to the driver.

Also, to be honest, pretty sick of all the retarded assumptions people make here.. "Fucking rich c-lai probably get his parents to pay for a sick lawyer.."
"fucking asshole blah blah blah"

Yeah, because every decision you've made in your life has been perfect, and you've never had someone bail you out when you made a stupid one. You should have probably ended your life on the spot.

It's just a game of statistics. The probability that this is the case is just so absurdly high that it doesn't make sense to not think that.

[inv4zn]

Wishing death onto someone is harsh, yes.

But stupid choices with catastrophic consequences for people that had absolutely nothing to do with said stupid choice, is rather hard to defend by saying "nobody's perfect."

Also, he is a fucking asshole, and years of experience living in Vancouver will dictate that the severity of his punishment is directly related to how wealthy he or his parents are. And every single CLA I've seen was driven by an Asian. It's not racial stereotyping, it's an educated assumption based from experienced statistics.

[Eff-1]

I can't piece it together in my head. It was a rear ender, but the MB ended up facing north in the southbound lane. Was the Del Sol stopped mid-span? And from this photo, it appears there were two other vehicles involved?

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/cms/binary/10079518.jpg?size=620x400s

This one's a head scratcher.

[meme405]

Wow. I'm sure everyone has made mistakes in the past. Wishing death upon this guy for making an absolutely horrid decision? Not so sure I agree with that. RIP to the driver.

Also, to be honest, pretty sick of all the retarded assumptions people make here.. "Fucking rich c-lai probably get his parents to pay for a sick lawyer.."
"fucking asshole blah blah blah"

Yeah, because every decision you've made in your life has been perfect, and you've never had someone bail you out when you made a stupid one. You should have probably ended your life on the spot.

I have made many stupid decisions in my lifetime, the difference here is that my stupid decisions never resulted in the death of an innocent bystander.

As discussed in like every other thread on DUI, impaired driving goes beyond "just a stupid mistake", it is an active decision made generally by idiots.

An eye for an eye, is what I say.

[nma]

Wishing death onto someone is harsh, yes.

But stupid choices with catastrophic consequences for people that had absolutely nothing to do with said stupid choice, is rather hard to defend by saying "nobody's perfect."

Also, he is a fucking asshole, and years of experience living in Vancouver will dictate that the severity of his punishment is directly related to how wealthy he or his parents are. And every single CLA I've seen was driven by an Asian. It's not racial stereotyping, it's an educated assumption based from experienced statistics.

Not just Vancouver, that's how the world works. I'm not defending him, I just don't wish death upon him.

[nma]

I have made many stupid decisions in my lifetime, the difference here is that my stupid decisions never resulted in the death of an innocent bystander.

As discussed in like every other thread on DUI, impaired driving goes beyond "just a stupid mistake", it is an active decision made generally by idiots.

An eye for an eye, is what I say.

That's pretty ignorant. I know many people who have made the mistake of driving impaired. Luckily they didn't kill anyone and became smarter themselves. You make stupid decisions when you're drunk, that doesn't mean you're a terrible person or a complete idiot when you're sober.

[inv4zn]

I can't piece it together in my head. It was a rear ender, but the MB ended up facing north in the southbound lane. Was the Del Sol stopped mid-span? And from this photo, it appears there were two other vehicles involved?

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/cms/binary/10079518.jpg?size=620x400s

This one's a head scratcher.

That photo was taken in daylight, hours after the accident. I think it said 4am was when the accident occured.

http://i.imgur.com/r0Ehatv.jpg

[multicartual]

Jesus look how long those skid marks are, anyone want to guess?

[meme405]

Jesus look how long those skid marks are, anyone want to guess?

From roller to fixed end, the bridge is 732 meters, on the north end the roller end is just out of the picture, on the south end the fixed point is out of the picture by quite a bit. My guess is between 100 and 150 meters

EDIT: Oh wait, the main span, between the two supports from expansion joint to expansion joint is 284m. So the upper range of my initial guess is probably pretty close.

[westopher]

Why do people keep saying this? If you Google search for drunk drivers in BC you get lots of stories of people getting prison time for drunk driving causing death.

I'd like someone to point me to a case where a person was actually convicted of impaired driving causing death and never spent a day in jail. Not a case that went to trial and the person was found not guilty - that's a completely different matter altogether.
Thats the thing, is there are plenty of clear instances where they are guilty but found innocent due to loopholes or weird circumstances. Thats where high paid lawyers come in. They aren't there to get you reduced sentences, they are there to get you found not guilty. I can think of some shitfuck cop named monty robinson who comes to mind.

[twitchyzero]

the aggressor's name and age has not been revealed yet...let's not jump to conclusions as common as CLA are to a certain demographic.

[westopher]

Wow. I'm sure everyone has made mistakes in the past. Wishing death upon this guy for making an absolutely horrid decision? Not so sure I agree with that. RIP to the driver.

Also, to be honest, pretty sick of all the retarded assumptions people make here.. "Fucking rich c-lai probably get his parents to pay for a sick lawyer.."
"fucking asshole blah blah blah"

Yeah, because every decision you've made in your life has been perfect, and you've never had someone bail you out when you made a stupid one. You should have probably ended your life on the spot.
No one said anything about a c-lai, so quit putting words in peoples mouths. If you are willing to drive wasted you are selfish, useless piece of shit and the antithesis of what society should be willing to accept of people. There are too many people in this world, and these are the type of people that are a fucking cancer on this earth.

[nma]

No one said anything about a fucking c-lai, so quit putting words in peoples mouths. If you are willing to drive wasted you are selfish, useless piece of shit and the antithesis of what society should be willing to accept of people. There are too many people in this world, and these are the type of people that are a fucking cancer on this earth.

I didn't say anyone here said it, those are just examples of generals assumptions.

I think most people make terrible decisions while they are wasted. That's the whole point, the decisions you make while intoxicated are different than when you are sober. So no, I don't think that these people are usesless scum. I think they just need to plan better and realize the impact of potentially driving intoxicated.

[meme405]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/meme405/Capture_zps1ce630b3.jpg (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/meme405/media/Capture_zps1ce630b3.jpg.html)

Here. (It's crude I know)

EDIT: drawing with your mouse is fucking hard.

I didn't say anyone here said it, those are just examples of generals assumptions.

No one is "willing" to drive wasted. That's the whole point, the decisions you make while intoxicated are usually terrible.

Look buddy, god forbid if any of your friends or family are ever hurt or killed in an incident like this, but if it were to ever happen I guarantee that you would lead the damn lynching yourself if that ever became the case.

[westopher]

If you cant control decisions that are that important when you drink, you shouldn't be drinking.

[underscore]

^ agreed.

Wow. I'm sure everyone has made mistakes in the past. Wishing death upon this guy for making an absolutely horrid decision? Not so sure I agree with that. RIP to the driver.

Also, to be honest, pretty sick of all the retarded assumptions people make here.. "Fucking rich c-lai probably get his parents to pay for a sick lawyer.."
"fucking asshole blah blah blah"

Yeah, because every decision you've made in your life has been perfect, and you've never had someone bail you out when you made a stupid one. You should have probably ended your life on the spot.

Getting drunk and then driving fast enough to be able to smash the rear end of a del Sol hard enough to kill the occupant is far, far beyond a mistake/bad decision, anyone willing to do that is a worthless piece of trash who should be treated as such.

[nma]

If you cant control decisions that are that important when you drink, you shouldn't be drinking.

Yeah, that's probably a whole other issue. I'm not sure if previous generations were like this, but it seems like everyone just tries to drink as much as possible and binge out, as if it were some sort of competition.

[68style]

LOL Are you serious? Pretty sure over-drinking isn't a new thing. Anything else this generation wants to take credit for?

[nma]

^ agreed.



Getting drunk and then driving fast enough to be able to smash the rear end of a del Sol hard enough to kill the occupant is far, far beyond a mistake/bad decision, anyone willing to do that is a worthless piece of trash who should be treated as such.

I'd agree with you if he was sober. The decisions you make while intoxicated aren't really a portrayal of who you are. The horrid mistake was that he drove while being drunk. What happens behind the wheel drunk is now just a gamble. I guess it depends on whether he's a passive or aggressive drunk, or who was in the car with him. His decisions making is HEAVILY impaired (I.E his friend is pushing him to have fun and drive faster, he does so because he is wasted).

Once again, this is an absolutely devastating event. The fact that he drives drunk is the terrible decision here. What happens next is pretty much luck. If anyone did that being sober I'd be all aboard this lynch mob. Regardless he's obviously guilty and his decisions will have a big impact on his life.

[dangonay]

I'd agree with you if he was sober. The decisions you make while intoxicated aren't really a portrayal of who you are. The horrid mistake was that he drove while being drunk. What happens behind the wheel drunk is now just a gamble. I guess it depends on whether he's a passive or aggressive drunk, or who was in the car with him. His decisions making is HEAVILY impaired (I.E his friend is pushing him to have fun and drive faster, he does so because he is wasted).

The POS useless fuck was sober BEFORE he started drinking. Should have made plans to get home before he drove somewhere to drink.

[nma]

The POS useless fuck was sober BEFORE he started drinking. Should have made plans to get home before he drove somewhere to drink.

Yeah, so the obvious mistake is him lacking planning out his night better, and risking driving intoxicated. What happens when you are intoxicated has no limits. You might get home safe, or you may cause an accident and kill someone.

In this case, he ended up killing someone. However, he made the decision to speed and drive recklessly because he was drunk. By that logic, anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired deserves to die.

[freakshow]

I love watching people start an argument, realize they're wrong, and instead of conceding, hopelessly try to continue to defend their flawed position.

[6o4__boi]

If you came here expecting sympathy for the idiot drunk driver, you're gonna have a bad time.

[nma]

I love watching people start an argument, realize they're wrong, and instead of conceding, hopelessly try to continue to defend their flawed position.

How is this an argument? I'm simply stating people in fact have very flawed logic. There's a lynch mob because someone died. Using that logic, there should be a lynch mob against anyone who gets behind the seat impaired.

I haven't even discussed what impaired means. Did you know that your judgement and reaction time is heavily influenced by other thing that don't even involve alcohol?

How many people here smoke weed? Take prescription drugs? Don't get enough sleep?

I don't want to start a whole other shit storm.. My point was that you shouldn't wish death on him because there were fatalities. What happens when you get behind the wheel drunk is simply a GAMBLE. If you think he deserves to die, then anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired is risking the exact same thing he risked, and also deserves to die.


Edit: I should probably note that I don't actually wish death on anyone, I'm applying other people's logic...

[b0unce. [?]]

I drove past the scene this morning around 6AM, boy, it was brutal to look at. RIP to del sol driver.

[underscore]

It's not a gamble, your driving is going to be shit if you're impaired.

In this case, he ended up killing someone. However, he made the decision to speed and drive recklessly because he was drunk. By that logic, anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired deserves to die.

Anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired is worthless, I'm sorry but you have the weakest argument imaginable, it's your responsibility to ensure that you won't be doing things like driving BEFORE you start drinking. Even if it impaired decisions weren't still your responsibility you can't say that the decision isn't as bad because it was made while impaired because this decision was made well before the driver took their first sip, because there's no way this was the first time buddy drove drunk so they knew full well that they would drive while drunk. Someone that isn't a selfish asshole would recognize they'll try to drive and take appropriate steps to ensure that they won't drive.

I think it was the Simpsons that made this joke but I never thought anyone would take this logic seriously:

"I'm drunk, I shouldn't drive. Oh what do I know, I'm drunk, I shouldn't be listening to myself" *drives off*

[nma]

It's not a gamble, your driving is going to be shit if you're impaired.



Anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired is worthless, I'm sorry but you have the weakest argument imaginable, it's your responsibility to ensure that you won't be doing things like driving BEFORE you start drinking. I think it was the Simpsons that made this joke but I never thought anyone would take this logic seriously:

"I'm drunk, I shouldn't drive. Oh what do I know, I'm drunk, I shouldn't be listening to myself" *drives off*


The gamble is in what happens, not if your driving is going to be shit. Of course it is.

I don't understand how you say my argument is weak when I pretty much agree with what you're saying. I just don't agree that people deserve to die as a result of driving impaired.

As stupid as that Simpsons joke might be, it's actually true. When some people drink they think they're superhuman and fine to drive.

[underscore]

They deserve to die because they repeatedly make the decision to risk the lives of innocent people. Their life is worth very little if they're willing to repeatedly make that decision.

[6o4__boi]

They deserve to die because knowing how the wheels of justice turns in cases like these, he'd get away with nothing but a slap on the wrist...hell, he'd probably appeal that slap on the wrist.

a la Carol Berner - that dumb piece of shit bitchfuckface who even APPEALED her already pathetic sentence

[underscore]

As stupid as that Simpsons joke might be, it's actually true. When some people drink they think they're superhuman and fine to drive.

And those people need to recognize that they will try to do things like drive while drunk and take actions to prevent it ahead of time, because it never happens only once. If they are unable to take the steps to prevent it then "drinking responsibly" for them might mean not drinking at all.

[nma]

And those people need to recognize that they will try to do things like drive while drunk and take actions to prevent it ahead of time, because it never happens only once. If they are unable to take the steps to prevent it then "drinking responsibly" for them might mean not drinking at all.

Totally agree

[twitchyzero]

using the gambling perspective is not a great argument because it can be applied to just about any vice/bad judgetment calls.

smoking is a gamble, because you're not guaranteed to have cancer
sharing dirty needles is a gamble, you're not guaranteed to contract non-treatable diseases

the only difference here is your bad choices directly affect others, in this case fatality of an innocent life. You can also say the same thing about 2nd hand smoking or passing on a disease to your unaware sexual partner.

I agree with you that D&D has a much much stronger stigma than driving tired/high/texting/putting on makeup and that's not always fair but as you said that's a different discussion altogether.

[trollguy]

drove by just after 9 this morning unknowingly what had happened.. saw the exact same positioning of vehicles that eff-1 had posted in his pic..

didnt think too much, then i saw emerg crew members trying to cut open the tarped del sol and an empty stretcher beside it.... figured it was a fatality based on that :(

[supafamous]

I have made many stupid decisions in my lifetime, the difference here is that my stupid decisions never resulted in the death of an innocent bystander.

As discussed in like every other thread on DUI, impaired driving goes beyond "just a stupid mistake", it is an active decision made generally by idiots.

An eye for an eye, is what I say.

I've made some stupid decisions in my life (including twice driving home when I shouldn't have) and I consider myself LUCKY that it didn't result in the death of an innocent bystander. The odds that a stupid act by oneself leading to the death of an innocent bystanders are very low - we are just lucky we're not the statistic. The margins are so slim between nothing happening and disaster happening sometimes.

It's like the stories of parents who forget their kids in a hot car - we grab our pitchforks and declare those parents unworthy when the truth is that it's remarkably easy to forget that your child is in the car and we're very lucky it doesn't happen more often. (Just google "forgetting child in car" and you'll see legions of stories on this topic. Example: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html).

I'm not of the "nobody's perfect" temple, I'm of the "we need to have the ability to forgive" temple. Sometimes that forgiveness means forgoing vengeance. Sometimes it means forgoing anger and sometimes it means even forgoing punishment.

In this particular case something incredibly sad has happened and it involves some degree of very poor judgment. I feel terrible for the loss of life and for the families that are affected (on both sides).

[dangonay]

Yeah, so the obvious mistake is him lacking planning out his night better, and risking driving intoxicated. What happens when you are intoxicated has no limits. You might get home safe, or you may cause an accident and kill someone.

In this case, he ended up killing someone. However, he made the decision to speed and drive recklessly because he was drunk. By that logic, anyone who gets behind the wheel impaired deserves to die.

Where the hell did I say someone who drives impaired deserves to die? Again with putting words in someone else's mouth.

He deserves to spend time in prison.

[nma]

Where the hell did I say someone who drives impaired deserves to die? Again with putting words in someone else's mouth.

He deserves to spend time in prison.

Have you even read the other posts? I was referring to others..

[Grim]

I have a tingly feeling that NMA knows the drunk driver.
just sayin

[nma]

No, I don't have any idea who he is. You guys are completely missing the point.

[Shark Tank]

How long until we find out the driver in Benz had a N.
I always been afraid of super small cars like del sol, mini, a berth, smart car. You get into a accident in those cars and chances are lot higher you end up screwed.

As much as I hate gas guzzling SUVs, trucks at least they offer more protection if you get hit.

[BrRsn]

I think nma was just trying to point out that while we all say we abide by the laws online, most of us don't. Chances are most people in their 20s have either driven a car after a drink or two, or made the mistake of sitting in one with a driver whose had one or two.


Half the shit we do on a day-to-day basis is impulse based, majority of the time all the circumstances do not align for the 'perfect storm'/worst-case scenario, but it is always a very real possibility.


You could be a fireman, driving home after a long shift of saving lives and serving the public, for whatever reason you don't see the red light and you run it. The question becomes not whether or not the fireman is a good or bad person, but whether the intersection populated or not, by cars, pedestrians, or otherwise. Due to the randomness of the universe (or karma, or whatever the hell you believe in) the intersection was clear and the hypothetical fireman, and everyone else, makes it home safe -- no harm, no foul. However, there is always the small chance that the intersection is populated with someone or something, you hit it, and instantly your life takes a 180 degrees turn and you make the move from average, ordinary citizen to criminal.

That is a real risk you run everyday every time you get behind the wheel. Impaired driving (alcohol, pharmaceuticals or otherwise) increases the risks of such a situation happening. But when you call out for the death of a person for making the mistake and taking the life of another, you are in fact worse than that person in that moment. The person had no intent on intentionally taking a life, yet you in your calm sober mind are okay with the notion of taking a life.

The person who killed the other person did not have the binary choice of:
1 - Kill the person
2 - Do not kill the person

Rather, the person played a game of odds. The odds that they would run into another driver at 4am, the odds of them hitting them, the odds of them responding appropriately to every road hazard presented to them. Their intent was not to go out, crash, and kill another person; they simply needed to get somewhere and made the shitty decision to drive. So, when you say you would kill this person, you are in fact worse than the person who already killed. I am assuming you are sane, at home, in a nice environment -- yet you can still somehow justify taking another person's life? Just because you do not know the person does not mean that their loss won't impact the population in the same way the loss of who they killed did. Our justice system is far from perfect, but I'm pretty proud that Canada doesn't have the death penalty. We aren't gods, how can we deal and justify the ultimate punishment?

These are the same odds most people have taken some time in their life or another -- I guarantee it. If you go out and are social, and attend social gatherings where alcohol is served, sooner or later the probability of you either getting behind the wheel impaired, or sitting alongside an impaired driver is not a possibility but an eventuality. I am very anti-drunk driving yet I know that the majority of my friends have either operated a vehicle intoxicated, or been a passenger in one. I do not have losers/drunkards as friends, the majority of my friends are your average university students with high hopes of one day giving back to society. But, alas, as we are all controlled by our impulses, and we were all young and stupid at one time or another, shit happens.

Anyways, just my 2 cents -- you can continue to flame nma / anyone else, but the fact of the matter is you or a loved one has, at some time or another, been in a similar situation but due solely to the random chaotic nature of the universe, they made it home safe. There is no perfect driver out there, we all run stop signs, run red lights, don't shoulder check, etc -- it's just a matter of whether or not the space where our vehicle ends up when we're negligent is occupied by air, or another driver/pedestrian/cyclist

[freakshow]

For better or worse, our laws are largely based on the consequences of our actions, not our actions themselves. So if you make the choice to drink and drive and get home safe, that is not the same as making the choice to drink and drive, and then end up killing someone.

IMO, it's a poor, if not flawed argument to say that because they chose to impair themselves and didn't know what they were doing at the time, they get a lesser penalty.

The problem is also related to semantics, no one wants to say someone 'deserved' to die, because who are you to say what people 'deserve'?
But who are you to say what people don't deserve? Additionally, many people think way to highly of themselves due to the entitlement and individualism of the culture.

If I drove drunk and killed someone's child/sibling/parent/provider/protector/lover, you know what, I probably do deserve to die. And if I get less than that, I should count myself lucky, and with a debt.

[trollguy]

I think nma was just trying to point out that while we all say we abide by the laws online, most of us don't. Chances are most people in their 20s have either driven a car after a drink or two, or made the mistake of sitting in one with a driver whose had one or two.




that's the problem with this forum. everyone here is an angel and condone everything bad.

[Dragon-88]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SI_ZgjcmPY








:crybaby: DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE PLEASE

[PuYang]

I PERSONALLY don't understand how one can even be in the situation of drinking and driving.

If you plan on drinking that night, don't drive. (Tons of ways to get to and from most locations).

If you drove and unexpectedly/unplanned ended up in a party or something, don't drink. How hard is that?

How could you ever be in a situation where you're like "damn, I drove today... oh well, I'll drink anyway".

Its really not a debate about "what decision did he make WHILE impaired". Its always been about "what decision did he make prior to drinking".

Clearly in this case, he made a dumb decision, there should be no argument about that.

[BrRsn]

that's the problem with this forum. everyone here is an angel and condone everything bad.

I sometimes feel that people who interpret all laws in their black and white form have lived really sheltered/reclusive lives

[twitchyzero]

not fair to judge someone who's had a drink or two and not trying to be a saint but

how much do you think he had to drink and how fast was he goingg at 4am to rear end someone and make tire marks across pretty much the entire midspan of a bridge?

[nma]

For better or worse, our laws are largely based on the consequences of our actions, not our actions themselves. So if you make the choice to drink and drive and get home safe, that is not the same as making the choice to drink and drive, and then end up killing someone.

IMO, it's a poor, if not flawed argument to say that because they chose to impair themselves and didn't know what they were doing at the time, they get a lesser penalty.

The problem is also related to semantics, no one wants to say someone 'deserved' to die, because who are you to say what people 'deserve'?
But who are you to say what people don't deserve? Additionally, many people think way to highly of themselves due to the entitlement and individualism of the culture.

If I drove drunk and killed someone's child/sibling/parent/provider/protector/lover, you know what, I probably do deserve to die. And if I get less than that, I should count myself lucky, and with a debt.

I actually hate it when lawyers use that as a case. I really don't believe that you deserve a lesser penalty because of unforced impairment.

You're right, everyone is entitled to their opinion of who deserves what. I'm perfectly fine with it if you think him or anyone really deserves to die, I just chose to share mine.

[matter]

Driver shown on CTV at 6

http://i.imgur.com/21BslYO.jpg

[sekin67835]

dam. he looks old enough to be a dad

[underscore]

Anyone with a license is old enough to be a dad...

[twitchyzero]

makes it worse that he's presumably in his 40's
at least his parents can't just buy him a new car (I hope not) as many of you were presuming

[E-SPEC]

Deport his ass back to China!

[AzNightmare]

Driver shown on CTV at 6

http://i.imgur.com/21BslYO.jpg

I have to admit... Didn't see that coming.

:pokerface:

[noclue]

hmm hope they took his passport so he can't flee.

The thought of getting my insurance void and being liable for all damages is enough to scare me to never drink and drive. Plus not being able to travel and get a criminal record.

[Spidey]

Deport his ass back to China!

I may have missed something... but how do we know he isn't a citizen, besides sterotypes... which obviously was accurate earlier on in the thread about the suspected age of the driver...

[MarkyMark]

While I think saying he deserves to die is a bit extreme, driving drunk and on top of that driving like an asshole going so fast you kill someone by rear ending them, he should do hard time and lose his license for life. This should really be a one strike and you're out offense. You'll have plenty of time to think about what you did when you're riding the bus after you get out of jail.

[Traum]

From the picture above, it looks like the driver is of Mainland Chinese descend -- most likely a person that immigrated from Mainland China. Unfortunately, for a lot of Mainland Chinese folks, they either

1) don't give a flipping damn about drinking and driving
2) have absolutely no awareness of the consequences of drinking and driving

Even just a few years ago, drinking and driving is extremely common in Mainland China, and especially among those businessmen / officials during their business dinners / night outs. The practice has become slightly less common as a result of government crackdown, but the mentality probably never really changed among the people themselves.

[trollguy]

Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?

[schnitzer]

how is it even possible to rear end someone on Granville bridge at 4am? was the Del Sol stopped?

[Traum]

Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?
I don't know, and I don't want to make any speculations as to why the driver may or may not look remorseful at all. The combination of factors involved is making me quite upset and disgusted, and I don't want to say anything that I will/may regret later, so it's better for me to just keep my mouth shut on this.

how is it even possible to rear end someone on Granville bridge at 4am? was the Del Sol stopped?
I am purely guessing and making things up here -- suppose the del Sol was driving along at 60km/h, and the AMG CLA is doing 160km/h? That's an easy 100km/h impact. I am not an ICBC claims adjustor, but I would not be surprised to see a 100km/h impact doing that kind of damage to an EG del Sol. That generation of Civics weren't particularly well known for their crash worthiness...

[meme405]

Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?

Keep in mind he was drunk at the time. So that's not really fair to say he isn't remorseful because of the stupid look on his face (he does have a pretty stupid look on his face).

If he really isn't sorry, and doesn't understand the tragedy which was entirely his stupid fault, then this guy is some sort of monster. It would basically put him right up there with any murdered or serial killer.

[twitchyzero]

Unfortunately, for a lot of Mainland Chinese folks, they either

1) don't give a flipping damn about drinking and driving
2) have absolutely no awareness of the consequences of drinking and driving

Even just a few years ago, drinking and driving is extremely common in Mainland China, and especially among those businessmen / officials during their business dinners / night outs. The practice has become slightly less common as a result of government crackdown, but the mentality probably never really changed among the people themselves.

few months back I met a Mainland Chinese man in his 50's who told me casually and borderline jokingly that he got pulled over by RCMP, and spent the night in the drunk tank :rukidding::heckno:

[westopher]

Just for the record, if all these arguments are referring to me saying "he deserves to die" I merely said he should kill himself. I don't think highly enough of myself to believe that I can determine what someone "deserves."

[trollguy]

Keep in mind he was drunk at the time. So that's not really fair to say he isn't remorseful because of the stupid look on his face (he does have a pretty stupid look on his face).

If he really isn't sorry, and doesn't understand the tragedy which was entirely his stupid fault, then this guy is some sort of monster. It would basically put him right up there with any murdered or serial killer.

That is true too.

HOWEVER, given our very very strict drinking laws, do we know how drunk he actually was?

[dangonay]

So now that we know the driver is older, what does that do to the arguments like "I'm sure you've never done something stupid when you were young" comments?

Should someone who's 18 and hasn't learned yet get a different sentence from someone who's 40 and should know better? Should young people be given a pass just because they're "young and dumb"?

[Traum]

Should someone who's 18 and hasn't learned yet get a different sentence from someone who's 40 and should know better? Should young people be given a pass just because they're "young and dumb"?
Judges already do this when they are doling out the penalty. If the perpetrator is younger and/or have a better (ie. cleaner) background, they tend to get a lighter sentence.

[dared3vil0]

Late to the discussion, but the people using the whole "it's just a horrid mistake, it's not like you've never made a mistake"

You're right, i've made plenty of mistakes, the difference? Mine didn't end up with an innocent person DEAD.

[E-SPEC]

I may have missed something... but how do we know he isn't a citizen, besides sterotypes... which obviously was accurate earlier on in the thread about the suspected age of the driver...

That Delsol could have been me, my wife and our baby, and the baby would have been killed more than than likely. Get him the fuck out of the country or in Jail. Look at him in the pic also. Looks like he doesn't even care what he just did. I would be hysterical i'm pretty sure.

[supafamous]

Late to the discussion, but the people using the whole "it's just a horrid mistake, it's not like you've never made a mistake"

You're right, i've made plenty of mistakes, the difference? Mine didn't end up with an innocent person DEAD.

I wasn't one of those who said the first line but I did point out in my response that it takes a bit of luck to avoid having one's mistake turn into disaster. Most of us have done things that, even if they seem innocuous, could have resulted in someone being dead.

I've done dumb things that could have killed people and I've done things that, despite doing it right and safely, could have killed people. If it either of scenarios had ended up killing someone it wouldn't mean I should kill myself over it nor should it mean society should condemn me for it.

Most people who forget their babies in their hot car don't do it on purpose.
Most people who burn their house down trying to deep fry a turkey didn't do it dangerously.
Most people who pack parachutes for their students don't pack it poorly on purpose.

What happened on the bridge is a tragedy. It's incredibly sad for both families involved and it should never have happened. But I also look at it and think, "But for the grace of God/luck, I could have been that guy." (not specifically that accident but of similar tragedy).

[E-SPEC]

Most people who forget their babies in their hot car don't do it on purpose.


This is 1 fucked up quote! Anyone who does this needs to be jailed for a LONG LONG time, or worse. You don't forget a baby in the god damn hot car!

[Energy]

I'm sure that the Mercedes driver didn't mean to kill the other driver. It was an accident. But someone died so there will be consequences.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the Mercedes driver is a horrible person who deserves to die. We do not know the circumstances behind him taking the wheel or even how intoxicated he was. All we know is that alcohol may have been a factor, he could have had two beers, and was driving down the bridge at night at a higher speed (because it is early in the morning and there is no one around) and took his eyes off the road for a second, didn't see the Del Sol, and then ended up hitting it.

I remember a time I was driving at a fast pace and talking to my friend in the passenger seat. I got distracted and almost didn't see the bicycle that was stopped in front of me waiting to turn left into a strip mall. It was a very near miss as I saw the bike at the last second and had to swerve to the right to avoid him. If I had not seen the bike at that last second or if there had been a car to my right that time, I could easily have killed someone.

[dangonay]

Judges already do this when they are doling out the penalty. If the perpetrator is younger and/or have a better (ie. cleaner) background, they tend to get a lighter sentence.

Bull. Sentencing is based on the severity of the offence and your record (repeat offender vs first timer).

Regardless, I'll rephrase it to make it clearer: should an 18 year old who makes a mistake (drunk driving) get a lighter sentence than a 40 year old who makes the same mistake, and has no history or prior offences?

[dared3vil0]

Most people who forget their babies in their hot car don't do it on purpose.
Most people who burn their house down trying to deep fry a turkey didn't do it dangerously.
Most people who pack parachutes for their students don't pack it poorly on purpose.


Your logic is horribly flawed. When someone forgets their baby in a hot car and the thing dies, it's known as manslaughter. Ignorance isn't a defense.

When someone burns their house down using a deep fryer, did they consciously make a decision to commit a crime that could potentially cause death? Nope, they were likely cooking motherfucking thanksgiving dinner.

When someone improperly packs a parachute for their student and the student dies, likely going to be negligence. Again, did they make the choice to commit a crime that could potentially cause death? No.

When someone drinks alcohol and drives a motor vehicle, they're making a decision to commit a crime that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Use your fucking brain.

[meme405]

Most people who forget their babies in their hot car don't do it on purpose.
Most people who burn their house down trying to deep fry a turkey didn't do it dangerously.
Most people who pack parachutes for their students don't pack it poorly on purpose.


God damn those are some stupid examples you chose to use...

So here:

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss] - YouTube

[nma]

I think he used poor examples maybe but the point is similar. Have you ever sped or paid less attention because of lack of sleep or were late? Sure the chances of you getting in a catastrophe are low, but you increase those chances by not being as aware as one should be....

You may have done stupid shit but never killed anyone, that doesn't mean that it wasn't just as stupid....
So before saying he should kill him self and flaming the shit out of anyone just think about what you've done and what could've happened. It's cases like these which remind me to be extra cautious and aware of my surroundings and just try to be an overall better driver...

So for all those getting pissed off and failing I think you're just missing the point or maybe I just articulated it in a shitty way... could be both...

I don't think he's innocent. I believe there needs to be harsh punishment.. the decisions you make in life are very real and affect more than just your self.... so next time you get behind the wheel, whether you drank, didn't sleep enough, are late somewhere, feel like street racing, whatever it may be, think carefully and make the best decision for your self and others.. it's not just you that takes the risk, you're also risking those people around you. I think that's the main thing most people don't understand when they do stuoid shit behind the wheel. They say they are fine and the only gamble is getting caught by the police... nope.

[dared3vil0]

:derp:

/thread.

[supafamous]

This is 1 fucked up quote! Anyone who does this needs to be jailed for a LONG LONG time, or worse. You don't forget a baby in the god damn hot car!

Not fucked up at all if you bother to google it. Incredibly tragic for the people involved.

Eg.

Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html)

[supafamous]

Your logic is horribly flawed. When someone forgets their baby in a hot car and the thing dies, it's known as manslaughter. Ignorance isn't a defense.

When someone burns their house down using a deep fryer, did they consciously make a decision to commit a crime that could potentially cause death? Nope, they were likely cooking motherfucking thanksgiving dinner.

When someone improperly packs a parachute for their student and the student dies, likely going to be negligence. Again, did they make the choice to commit a crime that could potentially cause death? No.

When someone drinks alcohol and drives a motor vehicle, they're making a decision to commit a crime that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Use your fucking brain.

I don't think it's necessary to resort to profanity or insults to disagree with me.

Re: Hot child in car: Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a Child in the Backseat of a Car Is a Horrifying Mistake. Is It a Crime? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html)

Take a good hour and Google the topic and tell me if you still think that every case is manslaughter. It's significantly more complicated and sadder than you are assuming.

[MarkyMark]

Some of the logic in this thread is retarded.

Forgot your baby in the car and it died? Hey it happens, I forgot my wallet when I left the house last week!

You didn't pack the parachute properly? No problem we all make mistakes just yesterday I forgot my milk when I packed my lunch!

You drove drunk and slammed into someone who was driving directly in front of you and killed him? I'll one up you bro I was driving fast one day and almost didn't see I biker, didn't hit him tho.

People need to start owning up to what they do, accident or not if you fuck up and some innocent person dies because of it, I don't always think "living with the guilt" is enough. You ruined someone else's family for life.

[meme405]

You know what, I think killing someone while driving under the influence falls a lot closer to premeditated murder than it does towards accidental homicide or negligence.

Like others have stated, IT IS AN ACTIVE DECISION to get behind the wheel drunk.

There is a great deal of irresponsibility that takes place when someone is sober before they end up at a point in which they can operate a vehicle while being intoxicated. They have to have gotten in their car, driven somewhere, decided to have a few drinks (without planning a better route home), then in that druken state decided it was a good idea to attempt to drive home. That's two different opportunities while sober and one oppotunity while intoxicated that this entire scenario could have been avoided by that asshole pictured above.

There is no fucking excuse for drinking and driving, and this guy can burn in hell for what he did. Go ahead fail me, but my fucking pitchfork is right here.

[tonyzoomzoom]

The Merc driver deserves everything that is coming to him and more. Even if he goes to hell ten times over, the pain and suffering he will endure cannot compare to the pain and suffering experienced by the family of the del sol driver.

RIP.

[bossha]

First off, rip to the delsol driver.

Here's what needs to happen to the CLA driver:

Send his ass to jail.
-hope he gets butt-fucked on numerous occasions until he kills himself
-gets his ass beat on numerous occasions until he kills himself
or..

Deport his ass if possible

If not, I hope this motherfucker gets struck by a god damn lightning bolt for the pain he has caused. There should be NO leniency towards drunk driving, let alone the fact that him being under the influence has caused a fatality.

[E-SPEC]

62 yr old on his way to work at the time he was killed. You can see the guy in handcuffs also being walked away in the vid below, stone cold looking with what really looks like NOT a shred of remorse to be quite honest. Maybe the cops should have just thrown him over the railing, justice then?

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-dead-1-detained-after-deadly-granville-st-bridge-crash-1.1940121

[Lomac]

Most people who forget their babies in their hot car don't do it on purpose.
Most people who burn their house down trying to deep fry a turkey didn't do it dangerously.
Most people who pack parachutes for their students don't pack it poorly on purpose.

While I get what you're trying to point out, I don't think it's an apple to apple comparison. While accidental deaths are just as tragic, people still get charged with negligence causing death or involuntary manslaughter. Getting behind the wheel after drinking is basically a giant game of Russian Roulette and should not be treated in the same vein as your examples. You are actively making a conscious decision to gamble with your and other people's life when you do drink and drive. Accidentally burning your house down or having a student die while teaching skydiving are just that: An accident. There's a reason why we have giant ad campaigns about drinking and driving, yet nothing about the dangers of cooking Thanksgiving dinner... though a MADD variant pertaining to kitchen fires might be interesting to watch. lol.

Anyway, as I said, your examples are typically pure and simple accidents; drinking and driving is not.

Of course, I've had a friend killed by one drunk driver and another spend two months in a coma from another, so I might be rightfully biased here.

[Noreason]

Drinking and driving is not an accident. One chooses to drink and get behind the wheel without at least some sober up time - somehow I don't think he would of been arrested if he wasn't blowing over. I would of thought a 47 year old would be wiser.

It's such a sad situation because it could of been prevented. Had he not been speeding either, it would not have been so tragic. =/

Condolences to the victim and his family =(

I hope there is real justice in this case.

I also have a CLA AMG, had to wait 9 months for it. This guy must had his car for just 2-3 months and totalled it =/

[supafamous]

Drinking and driving is not an accident. One chooses to drink and get behind the wheel without at least some sober up time - somehow I don't think he would of been arrested if he wasn't blowing over. I would of thought a 47 year old would be wiser.

Why wouldn't he be arrested even if he blew nothing? He clearly did something that was at least a felony.

[supafamous]

While I get what you're trying to point out, I don't think it's an apple to apple comparison. While accidental deaths are just as tragic, people still get charged with negligence causing death or involuntary manslaughter. Getting behind the wheel after drinking is basically a giant game of Russian Roulette and should not be treated in the same vein as your examples. You are actively making a conscious decision to gamble with your and other people's life when you do drink and drive.

You're correct that it's not apples to apples - my original points back on page 3 were basically: 1) Avoidance of becoming the guy the pitchfork holders want to see die and burn in hell is sometimes a matter of LUCK - it could have been one of us. 2) An eye for an eye is not right. (We need to have forgiveness in ourselves). 3) It's still a tragedy regardless.

Re: Russian roulette - I think that every time we do something like drive (along with all sorts of other activities) we are taking risks. Those risks increase when we do things that impair our judgment while driving - to me, it doesn't matter if that impairment is due to drinking or texting/talking on the phone or fatigue.

Considering that research shows that texting/talking on the phone while driving yields similar levels of mental impairment as drinking and that it's illegal to do so in BC can I assume that the pitchforks here feel the same way about people who text/talk on the phone while driving as they do about drinking and driving? Do they wish those people who've killed someone doing that a slow death in hell? Have they themselves, never texted while driving and never talked on the phone while driving? Maybe they are consistent and get their pitchforks out for that too - if that's the case, good for them - they're doing more that I am to make the roads safer. We don't have to agree but at least you're consistent.

Me? I don't text while I drive - I know how dangerous it is - I'll wait till a light to check my messages. I generally avoid phone calls - even handsfree while I drive - I also know how dangerous that is. If I have more than a drink or two at dinner I'll give the keys to the wife - I think I have a sense of when that's asking for trouble. Have I driven when I've been really tired? Many years ago but no more. That's way more trouble than I can handle.

I'm sad and I'm angry at what's happened. That I don't wish the killer an immediate or slow death doesn't mean I don't think he likely deserves a tonne of trouble. I've done and seen enough wrong in my life that I try to have compassion as my first reaction to tragedies like this - not vengeance.

[Sentinel]

Just found out today that the driver of the Del Sol is my coworker's brother in law. RIP.

[meme405]

You're correct that it's not apples to apples - my original points back on page 3 were basically: 1) Avoidance of becoming the guy the pitchfork holders want to see die and burn in hell is sometimes a matter of LUCK - it could have been one of us. 2) An eye for an eye is not right. (We need to have forgiveness in ourselves). 3) It's still a tragedy regardless.

Re: Russian roulette - I think that every time we do something like drive (along with all sorts of other activities) we are taking risks. Those risks increase when we do things that impair our judgment while driving - to me, it doesn't matter if that impairment is due to drinking or texting/talking on the phone or fatigue.

Considering that research shows that texting/talking on the phone while driving yields similar levels of mental impairment as drinking and that it's illegal to do so in BC can I assume that the pitchforks here feel the same way about people who text/talk on the phone while driving as they do about drinking and driving? Do they wish those people who've killed someone doing that a slow death in hell? Have they themselves, never texted while driving and never talked on the phone while driving? Maybe they are consistent and get their pitchforks out for that too - if that's the case, good for them - they're doing more that I am to make the roads safer. We don't have to agree but at least you're consistent.

Me? I don't text while I drive - I know how dangerous it is - I'll wait till a light to check my messages. I generally avoid phone calls - even handsfree while I drive - I also know how dangerous that is. If I have more than a drink or two at dinner I'll give the keys to the wife - I think I have a sense of when that's asking for trouble. Have I driven when I've been really tired? Many years ago but no more. That's way more trouble than I can handle.

I'm sad and I'm angry at what's happened. That I don't wish the killer an immediate or slow death doesn't mean I don't think he likely deserves a tonne of trouble. I've done and seen enough wrong in my life that I try to have compassion as my first reaction to tragedies like this - not vengeance.

Do you understand how "eye for an eye" works?

We don't care if you drive home texting, and make it home okay. Yeah it statistically it wasn't the most intelligent thing you have done, but if cops can be deemed "capable of operating" equipment like laptops while driving it proves that certainly some people can do it safely.

The moment you take a life, through negligence whether it be alcohol, texting, or falling asleep at the wheel, you bet your ass there are going to be some who want to bring out the crucifix.

But drinking and driving goes far beyond driving while tired, or texting. DUI is a point which the government (and many awareness groups) have specifically hammered home for much longer than the problem of texting and driving has existed. Therefore the punishment for committing a crime that is so obviously well known and well documented with such a long history of fatal car crashes, means that those that continue to do this don't value their life or the ones of others. SO FUCK THEM.

[registrar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rhnAcnJVmg

[Gh0stRider]

Victim of fatal Granville Street Bridge crash identified as 62-year-old man - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1488498/victim-of-fatal-granville-street-bridge-crash-identified-as-62-year-old-man/)
VANCOUVER – The BC Coroners Service has now identified a man killed in a crash on the Granville Street Bridge earlier this week.

Khader Emile-George Yasmineh of Vancouver died early Thursday morning when his dark green Honda was rear-ended by a white Mercedes.

The force of the collision spun the Mercedes completely around and pushed the Honda off to one side of the bridge.

Sixty-two-year-old Yasmineh was pronounced dead at the scene.

The other driver was given a breathalyzer at the time and police say they believe alcohol was a factor. However, they have not said whether any charges have been laid yet in connection to the crash.

[supafamous]

Do you understand how "eye for an eye" works?

Yep. That's why I pointed out that I don't agree with it. I'm not a vengeance person, I see eye for an eye as the path leads us to the former Yugoslavia, the current Israeli/Palestinian war etc. I hope we can respectfully disagree on this topic.

We don't care if you drive home texting, and make it home okay. Yeah it statistically it wasn't the most intelligent thing you have done, but if cops can be deemed "capable of operating" equipment like laptops while driving it proves that certainly some people can do it safely.

Happy to read any research you've encountered that says that cops are don't suffer from the same impairment as others when distracted. Everything I've ever read on distracted driving is that it increases risk and in the case of the cops I'd assume that their distracted driving is considered an acceptable risk for them to do their job.

The moment you take a life, through negligence whether it be alcohol, texting, or falling asleep at the wheel, you bet your ass there are going to be some who want to bring out the crucifix.

Don't disagree with that. I'm just pointing out that there's another way to approach it.

But drinking and driving goes far beyond driving while tired, or texting. DUI is a point which the government (and many awareness groups) have specifically hammered home for much longer than the problem of texting and driving has existed. Therefore the punishment for committing a crime that is so obviously well known and well documented with such a long history of fatal car crashes, means that those that continue to do this don't value their life or the ones of others. SO FUCK THEM.

So because texting is a newer threat and being tired is not a publicized threat we should be more lenient to people who kill others in a car crash? So if the cause of this accident was more than speed and alcohol and it was because he was using his phone would that mean he doesn't deserve a slow death in hell?

Alternatively, the trend of baby deaths in hot cars is a new trend - it picked up about 20 years ago when rear facing seats became the norm. Before I pointed out that the topic was more complicated than simple murder the pitchforkers wanted those parents to die a slow death in hell too.

I agree that drunk driving is worse than texting while driving or driving while tired - you're right that we educate people a lot more about this than about texting and thank goodness for that. I only hope we take the same approach with distracted driving soon - 30 years from now I hope we look back and are horrified that it was considered acceptable to drive while distracted by your phone.

I'm not fighting your right or others rights to want to see this guy die (along with other drunk drivers). We see things differently and I think we both are allowed to disagree with each other on it.

[E-SPEC]

Granville street bridge bridge has a nice drop.

Arnold Schwarzenegger in Commando - YouTube

[GS8]

I know three things about the victim:

He worked really really early in the morning
He was 62
He drove a DEL SOL

He's already my hero

RIP

[slammer111]

Driver has been identified as 62 year old Khader Emile-George Yasmineh, of Vancouver.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/year+Vancouver+IDed+victim+deadly+Granville+Street +Bridge/10084421/story.html

[Noir]

Yep. That's why I pointed out that I don't agree with it. I'm not a vengeance person, I see eye for an eye as the path leads us to the former Yugoslavia, the current Israeli/Palestinian war etc. I hope we can respectfully disagree on this topic.



Happy to read any research you've encountered that says that cops are don't suffer from the same impairment as others when distracted. Everything I've ever read on distracted driving is that it increases risk and in the case of the cops I'd assume that their distracted driving is considered an acceptable risk for them to do their job.



Don't disagree with that. I'm just pointing out that there's another way to approach it.



So because texting is a newer threat and being tired is not a publicized threat we should be more lenient to people who kill others in a car crash? So if the cause of this accident was more than speed and alcohol and it was because he was using his phone would that mean he doesn't deserve a slow death in hell?

Alternatively, the trend of baby deaths in hot cars is a new trend - it picked up about 20 years ago when rear facing seats became the norm. Before I pointed out that the topic was more complicated than simple murder the pitchforkers wanted those parents to die a slow death in hell too.

I agree that drunk driving is worse than texting while driving or driving while tired - you're right that we educate people a lot more about this than about texting and thank goodness for that. I only hope we take the same approach with distracted driving soon - 30 years from now I hope we look back and are horrified that it was considered acceptable to drive while distracted by your phone.

I'm not fighting your right or others rights to want to see this guy die (along with other drunk drivers). We see things differently and I think we both are allowed to disagree with each other on it.


Wow, you're really digging deep to stay aloft in that high horse of yours. Congrats, you're not a "pitchforker", give yourself a pat on the head; but let me correct you on one thing:

It doesn't matter if an individual is drunk, texting, applying makeup behind the wheel, leaving a baby in a car, if you cause the death of others by way of willfull ignorance and disregard for others, I GUARANTEE you that they will recieve the same vehemence from the public. So your PSA about the other driving hazards is really unneccessary in this thread.

Maybe people are just being narrowed by the proximity of alcohol and the resulting tragedy and are labelling their fury as an anti-drinking-&-driving sentiment when really, everybody gets just as angry when a death is the result of extreme disregard of others, and/or self centered - self serving motivations.