[GodZilla]

So there is a lot of talk on the news that they sockeye fishing is starting early this year. And there is going to be lots of fish unlike the last few years.

Does anyone know when they boats at Steveston will be selling salmon to the public from the dock? Or where I could find out from?

All this salmon talk is making me hungry for fish.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

[murd0c]

When the commerical season starts thats when they will be selling it at the docks. Until more word comes out you will have to wait

[godwin]

The boats are already selling it is roughly $7-8/lb whole fish is $25? the boats are not selling fish from Fraser though..

Right now on fraser you can catch coho

[MG1]

Focus on: Fraser River Sockeye, 2014 | Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Pacific Region (http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/2014-sockeye-saumon_rouge-eng.html)

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm

Natives are selling fish as we speak. I used to get it from them @ $10 - $15 per fish. I don't anymore, because nothing is regulated. I now get it from commercial fishermen when they come back from an opening. BTW, getting fish from Steveston is very expensive. Need to get your fish from fishermen who dock at Sapperton or along the Fraser in and around the Port Mann up to Langley on both sides of the river.

I'm pretty sure a few revsceners will be selling their catch soon. Again, look for the openings.

As for native fish, just drive down to Musqueam Reserve and you'll see them selling fish in their driveways. Just be discrete........ and remember, you're on their land. Nuff said.

[Culverin]

Natives are selling fish as we speak. I used to get it from them @ $10 - $15 per fish. I don't anymore, because nothing is regulated.

...

As for native fish, just drive down to Musqueam Reserve and you'll see them selling fish in their driveways. Just be discrete........ and remember, you're on their land. Nuff said.


If you would be so kind to school me on this subject...

Can you elaborate on the why you don't anymore?
What's the downside of it not being regulated? Health and safety reasons?

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

[godwin]

Well it is illegal for non natives to buy native fish.. DFO sometimes have officers to catch you when you head out of the reserve and that's a fine and record.. is it worth it? I think it outsiders buying their catch makes their governance messy, we as outsiders are not helping things.

Native can fish whenever they want.. it is not treaty.. it is their right. Supreme court said so, so we have to live with it.

I think MG1 is referring to Mary Hill Bypass/ Argue street, also underneath Coquitlam River Bridge (there is a pub there you can wait). You need to scout and get the fisherman's phone numbers. Make their time worthwhile though, don't expect to buy just 1 or 2 fish. and for F's sake be prepared.. cash, bring your own garbage bags, ice and all that. But I will not try to give away all MG1's secrets.. oh his main secret: he is retired and he has plenty of time. Usually when the fisherman comes to dock most people are still at work.


If you would be so kind to school me on this subject...

Can you elaborate on the why you don't anymore?
What's the downside of it not being regulated? Health and safety reasons?

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

[MindBomber]

I presume the reason the natives can fish now because treaty terms?
And discrete because they are selling under the table?

Close. It is an aboriginal right rather than a treaty right. In recognition of the occupation of North America by aboriginal peoples prior to the arrival of Europeans, the Constitution Act, 1982 "recognizes" "existing" aboriginal rights in Canada. Aboriginal rights are defined as an element of a practice, custom or tradition integral to the distinctive culture of the aboriginal group claiming the right that existed prior to the arrival of Europeans. The Supreme Court ruled in R. v. Sparrow the Musqueam people have a right to fish, particularly for food and ceremonial purposes. The important point is the Supreme Court ruled in R. v. Van Der Peet the aboriginal right to fish for food and ceremonial purposes does not include the right to sell fish because it has not been recognized as a practice that existed prior to the arrival of Europeans. This ruling involved two dissenting opinions and is still of serious contention. Of note, it involved the Sto:lo people of the Fraser Valley. The Department of Fisheries and Oceans therefore issues food fishing licenses to aboriginal people, including the Musqueam. The DFO has gone on to negotiate the right to sell fish caught under food fishing licences with select aboriginal bands, but this does not include the Musqueam. The sale of fish by the them is therefore illegal and that's why they're discrete.

On a personal level, I find the evidence in support of the right to sell fish compelling. I have a bias, however.


Native can fish whenever they want.. it is not treaty.. it is their right. Supreme court said so, so we have to live with it.


Neary. The Supreme Court ruled the DFO can interject on conservation issues in R. v. Sparrow, which considered the aboriginal use of a banned net design.

[elwell]

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....

[SkinnyPupp]

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....
Because non natives would never think of doing such a thing

[MindBomber]

You will just encourage the natives to over fish everything if you buy from them....

They're no going to go out and overifsh because you're buying from them because the fishery doesn't work that way. Food fishing licenses have limits. In this respect they're no different than normal commercial or recreational fishing licenses.Aboriginal people aso were successful in managing the fishery for centuries on their own......

[GodZilla]

They mentioned on the news that the fish would be sold at any commercial dock up the Fraser. What would be the closest near Brentwood / Lougheed Mall.?

[MG1]

They mentioned on the news that the fish would be sold at any commercial dock up the Fraser. What would be the closest near Brentwood / Lougheed Mall.?

Sapperton landing in New West. Half a dozen fishermen are usually there after an opening. I usually wait for the second opening.

For old time street racers who have been to River Road in Langley, there are a couple of docks where we used to race. I'm sure people will remember where that was......... on the way to 264th.

Remember to be cool and be prepared. Show up with strong garbage bags and totes. If you're lucky enough and the fisherman take a liking to you, they may even prep the fish for a reasonable price. Also, remember that if you are going to freeze the fish, to leave it as is. Head on guts in untouched except for a good washing to get the slime off.

If you are using salmon for sashimi, you need to freeze it before consuming. There's nothing like wild sockeye salmon for sashimi. That farmed Atlantic Salmon is gross. Do a side by side taste test. I guarantee you will never have farmed salmon again.

[godwin]

It is $3/lb today

Sapperton landing in New West. Half a dozen fishermen are usually there after an opening. I usually wait for the second opening.

For old time street racers who have been to River Road in Langley, there are a couple of docks where we used to race. I'm sure people will remember where that was......... on the way to 264th.

Remember to be cool and be prepared. Show up with strong garbage bags and totes. If you're lucky enough and the fisherman take a liking to you, they may even prep the fish for a reasonable price. Also, remember that if you are going to freeze the fish, to leave it as is. Head on guts in untouched except for a good washing to get the slime off.

If you are using salmon for sashimi, you need to freeze it before consuming. There's nothing like wild sockeye salmon for sashimi. That farmed Atlantic Salmon is gross. Do a side by side taste test. I guarantee you will never have farmed salmon again.

[MG1]

That's why I wait till second or even third opening on seasons such as this. Prices will drop.

Taking a bit of a chance, but the amount of fish that have made it up make me think this is just the beginning. Temperature of water so important.

[HonestTea]

That's why I wait till second or even third opening on seasons such as this. Prices will drop.

Taking a bit of a chance, but the amount of fish that have made it up make me think this is just the beginning. Temperature of water so important.

What would be a "good" price for it?

[MG1]

What would be a "good" price for it?

Ten bucks a fish or fifteen for big ones. Average 4 to 5 pounds 7 plus for big ones. Fraser River sockeye don't get as big as those that spawn in other rivers and regions. Price will also depend on how much the fishermen get from the canneries and fishing companies. Now that Jimmy owns most of the processing plants in these parts, it may not be much, especially when there's so much fish out there. That's why the fishermen are so eager to sell to the public. Whatever you do avoid places like Steveston and Granville Island. You'll be paying a premium. I'll phone my fisherman buddy and see what's the scoop. Will ask average size of catch this time around. I heard sizes of fish are larger than normal. Like the old days when my father was a commercial fisherman. He fished for nearly 60 years.
For BC Packers when they were still around. Biggest fishing company on the West Coast back then. He noticed fish sizes declining over the years back then.

[MG1]

Just called my buddy. There will be an opening next week. Fish are big. Some up to 8 pounds or more. I'll ask him to save me the big ones. Also want red springs. They're better than sockeye for certain things. Pinks are not great for anything except fish cakes. BTW, my wife makes the best salmon fish cakes in the world. Even the hard core natives I used to work with tell me it's the best they've ever had, hands down.

[saucywoman]

They're no going to go out and overifsh because you're buying from them because the fishery doesn't work that way. Food fishing licenses have limits. In this respect they're no different than normal commercial or recreational fishing licenses.Aboriginal people aso were successful in managing the fishery for centuries on their own......

I don't know about how the Natural Resources Departments down here work, but in Kamloops for big catches, my old department would use seine/ drag nets from their boats to gather fish for the community fishing. They worked closely with the local fisheries and IF they wanted to sell their catch it wouldn't be possible due to the regulations in place. I think they're the only ones using these methods as it would most likely draw suspicions if individuals are seen using these same methods, plus you need a decent sized boat for this operation and to be honest not a lot of indians have the money to afford the sized boats needed for this. I assume these guys selling are using dip nets for their catches, in addition to rods so it would take longer for them to get a substantial amount of fish.?

With people buying from some of the Indians I don't feel there's any way this would amount to them overfishing as these individuals would eventually be watched by the Natural Resources department and/or DFO if they start bringing in too big of hauls. Indians don't want to lose these "privileges" the Government afforded them so if they're selling, it's not going to be at the huge magnitude to "overfishing"; they're also going to somewhat be selective as to who they sell to. Not just anyone can start showing up and buying fish.


this is the time I miss living in Kamloops and getting 1 or 2 free salmons :( I need to find a hookup down here for that and game meats :|

[MG1]

I need to find a hookup down here for that and game meats :|

Say no more...............I'm your man, sweetie.

[saucywoman]

Say no more...............I'm your man, sweetie.

lol. I meant for the free fish and game meats :p

but I guess IF I HAVE to pay for it; you're my man :thumbsup: :hotbaby: :p

[MG1]

lol. I meant for the free fish and game meats :p

but I guess IF I HAVE to pay for it; you're my man :thumbsup: :hotbaby: :p

I was thinking free fish......... game meats, that's ICE_BOYs department.

[saucywoman]

if his game meet is anything like his sausages then no thanks :heckno:

mmmm salmon :thumbsup: :heartsmile:

[godwin]

Not a bad sockeye haul, but frustratingly short fishing window: Gillnetters | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2014/08/12/not-a-bad-sockeye-haul-but-frustratingly-short-fishing-window-gillnetters/)

Not a bad sockeye haul, but frustratingly short fishing window: Gillnetters

Martin MacMahon August 12, 2014 11:55 am

CHILLIWACK (NEWS1130) – It was a reasonable haul during yesterday’s commercial sockeye opening on the Fraser River, but the time limit is irritating, according to local fishermen.

It wasn’t the largest haul in recent memory, according to Mike Forrest with the Area E Gillnetters Association.

“In 2010, we had a three-hour fishery that was probably twice or three times as good as what this was,” says Forrest. “The indication to us in the fishing community is that the volume of fish that was there in 2010 is certainly not there now.”

He says he managed to catch 191 sockeye yesterday during the three-hour opening, but it wasn’t able to hit his full quota.

“We would have doubled our catch, probably, if we’d had another hour or two of fishing, and there’s always this problem of getting enough time in.”

Fisheries and Oceans Canada predicts this year’s Fraser River sockeye run could see as many as 23 million salmon.

[MG1]

3 hour opening is better than nothing. DFO has its reasons. They're usually off the mark, but I think they're just being careful. Besides, it's only the first opening. Area E fishermen are traditionally a frustrated bunch (dare I say whiners). Actually, most commercial fishermen are a bitter bunch. My father fished on the West Coast most of the time with Uculet/Spring Cove/Tofino being his favourite places. With a small vessel you took your chances for the season. You carried with you whatever types of net you felt would yield the best results and went on a long journey. When he used to fish in the Charlottes, he'd be gone for nearly five months. The fishermen who fish area E are lucky. They are close to home. Another thing, my father only had a small 45 footer. Slow boat to boot. His boat could convert from gillnet to trolling vessel. I've been out with him a few times when I was a wee little lad. I would only go with him when there was a food opening at the mouth of the Fraser. I could see why he loved being a fisherman. Fresh ocean breeze and being your own boss. Honestly, I have no idea how he ever survived that long. These were the days where only the big vessels had radar and electronic devices. All my dad had was experience and a sixth sense. He knew a storm was coming before any meteorologist could figure it out.

[GodZilla]

MG1 do you fish as well did you learn from your dad?
Call me silly but I always like hearing stories about someones parents, it nice to hear that your dad enjoyed what he did.
Feel free to PM any good spots to by sockeye on the up and up.

[MG1]

MG1 do you fish as well did you learn from your dad?
Call me silly but I always like hearing stories about someones parents, it nice to hear that your dad enjoyed what he did.
Feel free to PM any good spots to by sockeye on the up and up.

No, no, no........ I may be the son of a fisherman, but that's about it. I suck at any kind of fishing. I would even fail at the kiddies fishing game at the PNE, lol. I can guarantee you my father was glad I did not follow in his footsteps. The life of a fisherman is not for everyone. Unless you own a large seiner and have a crew. Even then it's a struggle. I have extreme respect for farmers and fishermen. You need to be hard as nails.

[subordinate]

3 hour opening is better than nothing. DFO has its reasons. They're usually off the mark, but I think they're just being careful. Besides, it's only the first opening. Area E fishermen are traditionally a frustrated bunch (dare I say whiners). Actually, most commercial fishermen are a bitter bunch. My father fished on the West Coast most of the time with Uculet/Spring Cove/Tofino being his favourite places. With a small vessel you took your chances for the season. You carried with you whatever types of net you felt would yield the best results and went on a long journey. When he used to fish in the Charlottes, he'd be gone for nearly five months. The fishermen who fish area E are lucky. They are close to home. Another thing, my father only had a small 45 footer. Slow boat to boot. His boat could convert from gillnet to trolling vessel. I've been out with him a few times when I was a wee little lad. I would only go with him when there was a food opening at the mouth of the Fraser. I could see why he loved being a fisherman. Fresh ocean breeze and being your own boss. Honestly, I have no idea how he ever survived that long. These were the days where only the big vessels had radar and electronic devices. All my dad had was experience and a sixth sense. He knew a storm was coming before any meteorologist could figure it out.

Ehhh, they messed up in 2010. Should have had more openings.

DFO is like any government, too much bureaucracy and slow to act. I do agree with you that there is almost nothing better than being out on the water, in almost pitch darkness, and a nice breeze. If fishing wasn't such a flip flop of a lifestyle, I would take it up. I agree, nothing be respect for farmers/fishermen. They don't get paid enough.

[godwin]

I think with modern technologies it makes fishing easier for uptake while the instinct's like your dad's to develop. They all just provide a safety net.. In the end, whether one succeed or not still have to depend if the person is willing to slog through the difficulty. If a person is lazy, he can have a nuclear powered, Scarlett Johanssen AI fishing boat, he will still can't catch squat.

We see this theme quite a bit on RS.. private schools, powered by parents etc etc In the end, it comes down to the person to do what's right and good in their own eyes.

These were the days where only the big vessels had radar and electronic devices. All my dad had was experience and a sixth sense. He knew a storm was coming before any meteorologist could figure it out.

[godwin]

oh FYI I think $12 per fish is a fair price this year.

[subordinate]

oh FYI I think $12 per fish is a fair price this year.

If there are individuals that don't know if they should buy salmon at 10 or 12 dollars....then shieeeet.. I really don't know what to say.

Maybe you're better off buying a fishing rod and salmon license and catching the daily limit until the season is over, if you want cost-effectiveness.

[Ludepower]

Recreational Salmon fishing isnt cost effective at all. It's a hobby and a money pit.
Gas, Rod, bait, time, etc..


Considering a small piece of salmon steak cost $10.
I would gladly pay $12-$20 for a whole salmon.
Stock up as much as you can now.

[EuterVanWasser]

^ You forgot the boat, downriggers, cannon balls, and anchovies ><

[subordinate]

get a drift net :troll:

[saveth]

Recreational Salmon fishing isnt cost effective at all. It's a hobby and a money pit.
Gas, Rod, bait, time, etc..

Spoken like a true fisherman haha.

[Jas29]

I saw enough salmon today for the rest of the season. helped my uncle out at the fish cannery.

[MG1]

which fish cannery would that be?

[MG1]

Opening for commercial fishing this coming Monday. I'll probably go this time around. Getting fish caught closer to mouth is better than fish upriver. Their bodies change the further up the river - salt to fresh water and turning bright red as they get closer to spawning grounds, etc. Not that I've had sockeye in that state. They stop feeding once they turn. Sounds like something from a zombie movie. Has anyone had salmon caught near spawning grounds?

[godwin]

So come and meet and greet MG1 at Sapperton Landing when the fishery closes (it was ~6PM on Weds)

:awwyeah:

Opening for commercial fishing this coming Monday. I'll probably go this time around. Getting fish caught closer to mouth is better than fish upriver. Their bodies change the further up the river - salt to fresh water and turning bright red as they get closer to spawning grounds, etc. Not that I've had sockeye in that state. They stop feeding once they turn. Sounds like something from a zombie movie. Has anyone had salmon caught near spawning grounds?

[saveth]

Opening for commercial fishing this coming Monday. I'll probably go this time around. Getting fish caught closer to mouth is better than fish upriver. Their bodies change the further up the river - salt to fresh water and turning bright red as they get closer to spawning grounds, etc. Not that I've had sockeye in that state. They stop feeding once they turn. Sounds like something from a zombie movie. Has anyone had salmon caught near spawning grounds?

I've caught fish close to spawning grounds. Sometimes they're OK but most of the times they've zombies or really coloured that you wouldn't want to keep them. I've seen some monster red Sockeyes surface on the Harrison while fishing for chums. I basically saw every species that day, which I didn't think could happen.

[MG1]

Just picked up fish from my buddy. Crap, they're huge. A few were in the ten pound range. Got some red springs, but they were cannery dressed. Oh well. Two openings next week.

I had one sockeye in my batch that had turned........ wtf? They aren't supposed to turn until further up the river.

Anyway, Saucy......... sent you pm. I hope you can gut and cut, 'cause I ain't got no time for dat shit, yo.

[subordinate]

How'd you know there was 2 openings MG? There isn't a meeting scheduled until Friday.
So far this season is definitely nothing like 2010.

Maybe the bigger run will be later in the upcoming weeks, but this and last openings were paltry. :(

[godwin]

It is on the DFO website and location specific (but he probably got wind from this morning's demo fishing?):

For Commercial: (http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Regions=All&Fisheries=43,46,44,47,45,48&Areas=&year=2014&CFID=9338113&CFTOKEN=19211694)

There was an opening yesterday.

How'd you know there was 2 openings MG? There isn't a meeting scheduled until Friday.
So far this season is definitely nothing like 2010.

Maybe the bigger run will be later in the upcoming weeks, but this and last openings were paltry. :(

[subordinate]

The guys who generally sell at the docks are Area E fishermen, so assumed they were talking Area E fishermen for the fraser/gillnet.

[MG1]

Yup, area E.

Get 'em fresh.

[subordinate]

Yup, area E.

Get 'em fresh.

Yeah,

the next meeting isn't until Friday, so earliest possible opening would be Monday.

[MG1]

So far this season is definitely nothing like 2010.

Maybe the bigger run will be later in the upcoming weeks, but this and last openings were paltry. :(

Are you talking sport fishermen not having a good season? 'cause the catch has been pretty good for the Area E commercial gillnetters so far.

There's amount of fish actually in the river and the amount caught in the river. anyway..............

All the test fishermen I used to know are retired. They're the ones DFO get their numbers from....... well, sort of. There's the count further up the river. Like I mentioned before, fish aren't hungry at this stage, so sports fishermen with their rods and bait may not have much luck, but nets don't care. It's all in the condition of the waters - temperature, current, content, etc. The fish will make their way when nature tells them.

[subordinate]

Nope, talking about gillnetters.

I was out on the opening helping the pops, definitely nothing spectacular (comparing to 2010 wise)
Guess we were in bad spots.

[saveth]

I have a couple group of friends that participate in recreational fishery and this years sockeye season has been stellar. I get a report everyday from different areas and they all limit out within a couple hours. The commercial openings haven't hindered the recreation fisherman so far from what I've heard and seen. In 2010 I had days where hardly any fish were being caught. I don't know how it is for commercial fishery but I know how efficient they are with the nets so if the fish are in the river, they will get them.

[saucywoman]

Anyway, Saucy......... sent you pm. I hope you can gut and cut, 'cause I ain't got no time for dat shit, yo.

I actually gutted last night; I hope I got it all. THANK YOU again so so much :heartsmile: I really appreciate you. Now I can be the ulitmate stalker knowing your home address and cell :troll:

I didn't filet though, just took all the insides out, chopped off head and tried to wash off.

[subordinate]

24 hr opening on monday 8am to tues 8am. so you guys might get cheap fish by then.

Hate when the DFO does that.... ain't no body got energy to work 24hrs straight fishing.

[Hondaracer]

Went out yesterday on the Fraser below mission bridge, limited out in about 3 hours between two boats

Can't imagine fishing from the shore shoulder to shoulder like that, what a joke

[MG1]

Commercial fisheries Area E 24 hr opening from 8:00 am Monday to 8:00 am Tuesday morning. Most likely one more soon after.

[EuterVanWasser]

I'll be out tomorrow early. Will be fishing off sand heads in my boat. See you boys out there!

[saveth]

I rather stay home then fish shoulder to shoulder. A good amount of fish are being caught all over, you just have to get your lines in the water. I haven't been to pegleg since the last sockeye opening and the sheeer amount of boats is insane. Walk-in access at pegleg really is a gong show. I didn't believe it until I saw it first hand yesterday and I'm used to seeing idiots fish. Good luck to all the fisherman that plan on fishing today. If I wasn't busy, I would totally be out there today.

[MG1]

Haven't been to Sapperton in a while, so gonna check it out today. Go for a Sunday drive. I heard somewhere that they changed the entry to the gated docks. I've had people pm me where they can get fish and Sapperton is the closest without going native, Granville Island, or Steveston. Will post later on, specifics, when I get back.

[subordinate]

Haven't been to Sapperton in a while, so gonna check it out today. Go for a Sunday drive. I heard somewhere that they changed the entry to the gated docks. I've had people pm me where they can get fish and Sapperton is the closest without going native, Granville Island, or Steveston. Will post later on, specifics, when I get back.

It's likely flash-frozen salmon from the big freezing centre in Delta, brought to the docks, thawed, and sold as fresh.

[MG1]

No, they fish right there, between Patullo and Brunette. Buddy who's at Langley, fishes right under the Port Mann up to just before bend leading to Mission Bridge.

Anyway, just got back. No boats anywhere, and the dock I went to years ago has been taken down. A newer concreted dock is further down river and it looks like it's their new home. No boats. Entry to the road where the docks are has not changed.It is between Richmond Avenue and Cumberland on the river side of East Columbia. Blink, and you miss it.


EDIT: I think I wasn't clear in my previous post. I just wanted to see the changes to the dock, not to buy any fish.

[MG1]

If you guys like eating fresh sockeye salmon, enjoy it and take part in making sure it is something enjoyed by future generations.

Make sure to keep our rivers clean. Dispose of oils and chemicals properly. I cringe when I hear of people doing oil changes and draining the used oil down the sewers. Stop the introduction of invasive species into our rivers and streams. Stop buying/eating farmed Atlantic Salmon, until they do it right - tanks instead of pens in open water. Report poachers. Throw back fish that are undersized.

We are so fortunate to have one of the best tasting fish right here in our backyards. I'm no tree hugger, but we all need to do our part.

/sermon

[MG1]

24 hr opening Wednesday. Area E

[subordinate]

friends in the business MG?
I don't see anything for the ruling on today, on the DFO website. Should know by 2pm though, but you'd prob right.

[MG1]

I was out getting fish from fishermen this morning. One of them thought it was noon to noon, but dude who has connections said 8:00 am to 8:00 am. Just eavesdropping.............

Hey, if any of you are looking for work, they're looking for deck hands. Pencil neck geeks and whiners need not apply. Hard worker not afraid of getting dirty - cussing and swearing an asset.

[MG1]

Another reason for buying whole fish - salmon roe!

Ikura or sujiko.

Chum roe is most sought after of salmon roe and brings in the big bucks, but spring roe is just s good. Sockeye is brighter red but smaller. You gotta know how to prepare it though.

Also, for you sushi freaks. Don't forget to freeze. You can't/shouldn't eat fresh raw salmon or tuna. Must be frozen to kill any bacteria/parasites. Some good info on Internet. Just google.

Fish heads are a delicacy to a lot of Asians. I don't like it, but many say it's the best part, as well as area near gills. Nothing goes to waste. My favourite part is the skin and the fat just under it. Fried/grilled salmon skins, ftmfw!

[StylinRed]

Also, for you sushi freaks. Don't forget to freeze. You can't/shouldn't eat fresh raw salmon or tuna. Must be frozen to kill any bacteria/parasites. Some good info on Internet. Just google.

I did not know that...wow I used to dig in just like a bear :lol wtf... thanks!

Fish heads are a delicacy to a lot of Asians. I don't like it, but many say it's the best part, as well as area near gills. Nothing goes to waste. My favourite part is the skin and the fat just under it. Fried/grilled salmon skins, ftmfw!
i like the eyeball well i did as a kid
skin :buttrock:



I've been meaning to pick up Salmon from the docks but have been too busy sigh :/ wanted to keep a bunch in a freezer too to dine on throughout the winter ugh... i've got to pick up a freezer too sigh not enough time -_-

[MG1]

^Costco stand up freezer.

Always wanted a vertical one, but have enough traditional ones that still work at home. Didn't check the energy ratings. Then again, my old freezers are probably inefficient.

[MG1]

If any of you are going to go get some fish, remember to bring a cooler and some ice. Hot weather like today, fish will cook before you get home. If you ain't got no ice, take cooler into a McD's and ask them nicely to fill it up for you. I always have a fin in my hand when asking (almost waving it, LOL). They cannot charge you, but a fin or two into the Ronald McDonald House charity bin will get you enough ice to keep them suckers cold.

Hey, you end up with lots of cheap ice and the proceeds go to a very good cause.

I've only had one McD's refuse to give me ice. That's because the icemaker was nearly empty.

[subordinate]

revised to 8am to 8pm, wednesday

[godwin]

Any one checked out the secondary landing sites? The Langley one is the one that MG1 mentioned.

Basically the same place:
Ladner: 3383 River Road West
Ladner: 3437 River Road West
Ladner: Ladner Harbour Authority, Fisherman's Wharf


Westham Island: 4858 Savage Road (unloading dock)

More of less in Ladner:
Delta: Gunderson Slough in Annieville
Delta: Westham Island Net Shed, 3350 Westham Island Road
Delta: Westham Island, 4835 Kirkland Road
Delta: 9300 Alaska Way

Pitt River (Mouth): dock at 1101 Pitt River Road
Maple Ridge: Kanaka Wharf at South end of McKay Avenue, Albion Wharf at South end of 240th Avenue
Maple Ridge: 23970 River Road
Langley (East): McIvor's Landing
Mission: Net Float at foot of Donnateli Avenue (North side of Fraser River, approx. ½ mile upstream from mouth of Stave River)
Gibson's Landing: 1397 Robert's Creek
Steveston: Shed 39, Dyke Road

[godwin]

The most efficient freezers are chest freezers because you don't need to pump the coolant up to cool. However they are bad for your back.

For those who store sockeye for the winter.. get a vacuum sealer from Canadian tire or cheaper from American costco..

Treat the fish with some dignity and forethought (ie don't just freeze the fish whole). Cut the fish up when it is still fresh, into portions and pack them.. I have been using the vacuum sealer for the last decade or so with good results (I trim the fins and bones so they won't take up space and puncture the plastic pack).

^Costco stand up freezer.

Always wanted a vertical one, but have enough traditional ones that still work at home. Didn't check the energy ratings. Then again, my old freezers are probably inefficient.

[godwin]

$10 for a 8lb salmon, I would say it is a great season!

[Wormiez]

Where is everyone purchasing their salmon this year? T&T, Native Reserves?

[MG1]

^read the thread.

[MG1]

Prices keep falling, as expected.

It's a catch (pun intended) 22 for the fishermen. Hoping for good season, then getting so much it drives prices down, because supply and demand.

I feel for the fishermen. Salmon prices they get from packers and canneries haven't change much over the years, but fuel prices and gear has done nothing but go up. Caught in the midlle.......... damn gotta stop that pun shit, LOL.

Another opening next week......... possibly Tuesday. Not confirmed yet.

[godwin]

First Nations Salmon Economic Opportunity 12 hours opening tomorrow for Musqueam and Tsawwassen 8-8. I think just seeing Asian C9s in their Chanel pumps sorting / selecting fish with their broken English, also ditching their cars while parking on band land is nearly hilarious enough for the drive.

Fish sold out so fast, if you don't show up on time or when the boat docks you are out of luck. Like today, the place I went to sold out 3 minutes after start (3 tubs worth of salmon were sold). The next few hours I will be gutting / processing 30 fish.

T&T doesn't really have good salmon, thank goodness Mainlanders don't particular like them. Superstore ones are gill net caught, they are decent but the price is actually higher than hipsters stores like Daily Catch (http://www.dailycatch.org/news/) (which they would fillet, seal and all that jazz for you too). For those who live in apartments but like to store some for the winter I think DC is the least painful way. The store has to make a living too!

The decision for opening for next week is tomorrow.

Prices keep falling, as expected.

It's a catch (pun intended) 22 for the fishermen. Hoping for good season, then getting so much it drives prices down, because supply and demand.

I feel for the fishermen. Salmon prices they get from packers and canneries haven't change much over the years, but fuel prices and gear has done nothing but go up. Caught in the midlle.......... damn gotta stop that pun shit, LOL.

Another opening next week......... possibly Tuesday. Not confirmed yet.

[godwin]

To flash freeze at home.. go to Praxair.. eg the one on Clark and Grandview Highway (underneath the skytrain bridge). Get a jug of liquid N2.

Put safety goggles on, pour the N2 into a small tray enough to fit the sashimi in, dunk the sashimi into it.. take it out.. that's it.. fish has been flash frozen and essentially the water molecules in all the parasites had expanded and killed them off. Pour the N2 back into the can and reuse for next time.

[Hondaracer]

Jesus the comercial rigs basically suck the river dry..

went out and caught limit during the week three times now when the comercial rigs aren't out and limited out in less than 3 hours each time 3-5 of us. Went out yesterday during it being open couldn't get a bite over 5 hours

[godwin]

Opening next Tuesday 9-3 sounds like business hours!

[blagh]

Salmon Confidential Documentary 2013 British Columbia - YouTube

[MG1]

i've been saying this for years. The government and businesses behind farmed fish aren't listening and are turning a blind eye. Other countries have banned open pen farm fishing. Why have we not? Money. It's always about the god damn money. Never thinking about the future.

What can we do to stop this? By not buying farmed salmon. Simple. When I go to restaurants and stores that sell it, I talk to as many people as I can. Most just think I'm nuts. The stupid thing is, the salmon they farm is not even indigenous to these parts. They are from the ocean on the other side of the country. It's because they mature faster.

I think it's too late. My father when he was still alive, told me of salmon in his nets that didn't belong in the waters. They were Atlantic Salmon that have escaped the pens. Never made the connection until news of open pen farming started to come out.

Thanks, blagh, for bringing this up.


If any of you are involved in the restaurant business or sell fish, take farmed Atlantic salmon off the menu, before it's the only salmon you'll ever see in years to come.

[subordinate]

Prices keep falling, as expected.

It's a catch (pun intended) 22 for the fishermen. Hoping for good season, then getting so much it drives prices down, because supply and demand.

I feel for the fishermen. Salmon prices they get from packers and canneries haven't change much over the years, but fuel prices and gear has done nothing but go up. Caught in the midlle.......... damn gotta stop that pun shit, LOL.

Another opening next week......... possibly Tuesday. Not confirmed yet.

With the farmed salmon b.s, declining wild sockeye, and rising costs, it's no surprise that if you go to the docks, almost all the Gillnet fishermen are in their 60's.

Their kids wouldn't want that lifestyle I bet. Rising diesel, repair expenses, moorage fees, yearly license fees, fishing nets - all for what? one good year every 4?

Thing are only going to get worse in the next 5-10 years. It's similar to farming, not many of the next generation want that lifestyle. As a result, reports are showing increase in foreign immigration into farming.

Among my pop's friends, I know of only one that is likely to take over. That's 1/10th?

[godwin]

I think it is just society evolution. Look at farming (before the hipsters).. new immigrants always take the jobs no one wants. eg Shrimp farming in Gulf of Mexico.

The reality is sockeye prices have been static for the last few decades.. If you want price to increase.. get the Mainlanders to export it to China like they did with Dungeoness crabs.

Commercial fishermen might be in the 60s but natives are usually pretty young.

With the farmed salmon b.s, declining wild sockeye, and rising costs, it's no surprise that if you go to the docks, almost all the Gillnet fishermen are in their 60's.

Their kids wouldn't want that lifestyle I bet. Rising diesel, repair expenses, moorage fees, yearly license fees, fishing nets - all for what? one good year every 4?

Thing are only going to get worse in the next 5-10 years. It's similar to farming, not many of the next generation want that lifestyle. As a result, reports are showing increase in foreign immigration into farming.

Among my pop's friends, I know of only one that is likely to take over. That's 1/10th?

[godwin]

I have given up thinking pressuring the gov would or consumers will yield anything. The best way is to counter what the Scandinavian companies are doing and just invest in on land farms. There is one in operation in Agassiz (http://www.vancouversun.com/Farmed+salmon+from+Agassiz+lands+sustainable+marke ts/3519654/story.html) and make the big established companies pay big bucks to buy you out once you are successful.

The big companies are smart and good at confusing the consumers, ie they say the fish are from South America instead of Vancouver Island, you can't tell from the fillets anyways. Fujiya, Sushi Town etc don't care where they get the fish and consumers still want their $10 salmon sushi bowl fix.

I think if on land farming takes off (too bad the researchers are a bit too hippy (and infighting) to realise that's a way to get back at the gov and companies); it forms a viable competition that "hey we are serving farmed salmon that doesn't harm native fish". Consumers will go for that option. The public is ignorant in the intricacies of things (just look at the GMO thread on the board), you have to give them options. Much easier if you give them an obvious choice.

Not consuming doesn't work in a consumerist society.

i've been saying this for years. The government and businesses behind farmed fish aren't listening and are turning a blind eye. Other countries have banned open pen farm fishing. Why have we not? Money. It's always about the god damn money. Never thinking about the future.

What can we do to stop this? By not buying farmed salmon. Simple. When I go to restaurants and stores that sell it, I talk to as many people as I can. Most just think I'm nuts. The stupid thing is, the salmon they farm is not even indigenous to these parts. They are from the ocean on the other side of the country. It's because they mature faster.

I think it's too late. My father when he was still alive, told me of salmon in his nets that didn't belong in the waters. They were Atlantic Salmon that have escaped the pens. Never made the connection until news of open pen farming started to come out.

Thanks, blagh, for bringing this up.


If any of you are involved in the restaurant business or sell fish, take farmed Atlantic salmon off the menu, before it's the only salmon you'll ever see in years to come.

[godwin]

Openings Weds, Thurs and Friday!

[MG1]

When they extended today's opening by two hours, it was a sign.

As for the farm fishing thing, I will continue to inform people. Make a difference or no, I can't just let it go. Short of joining some Kumbaya, tree hugger, enviro cult, lol.

I have limited influence as an individual and there are bigger fish to fry.

Lomac, has Adams River turned red yet? I might actually go up if all goes well.

[corollagtSr5]

Is that when commercial isn't catching?

[MG1]

Yes, overspawning the river is not a good thing....... I think that's the term they use.

It's like 500,000 Vulcans going through Pon Farr at Rogers arena.

[dvst8]

Its been a pretty fun season sockeye/spring fishing the north fraser river. Been going about twice a week. Freezer can't fit anymore. :woot2:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-pfkFYTxSJwU/VAeHCbMAUFI/AAAAAAAATDA/OV9V3BoKE3s/w530-h706-no/20140901_133711.jpg

[godwin]

For those looking for fish in New West.. Alley Towing, the tugboat tow company right before Sapperton Landing Park has a sockeye fish for sale sign there (https://www.google.ca/maps/place/New+Westminster,+BC/@49.2121329,-122.8958059,3a,75y,86.33h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDmxW3vASxHpTRxE5sVHc3w!2e0!4m2 !3m1!1s0x5485d8753ddb5097:0xeca8e918f64dfeee?hl=en ).

Looks like next week is the last opening week this season.

YMMV

[MG1]

Yeah, the salmon have all but made it upstream. Getting the stragglers, slow pokes, and other species of salmon. If it weren't so far, I'd be at Hells Gate watching them salmon do their thing. It's always a spectacle.


Having cured salmon as we speak.

[godwin]

End of the season! For those who purchase, make sure you are not getting Chinooks (with white flesh) mixed in with Sockeyes! (definitely doesn't task as good)

[punkwax]

Caught a couple fat boys last week. Nothing beats eating fresh sockeye.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/nodnarb17/photo_zps5762f099.jpg

[saveth]

Last week was pretty good. This week has been terrible.

[Vansterdam]

is the Adams River salmon run worth checking out?

[Jas29]

Anybody here a fan of salmon caviar?

Here is some chum salmon caviar before being packaged (crappy cellphone pic)

http://i.imgur.com/lNmacPqs.jpg

[MG1]

Chum eggs are the best kind. People don't realize how much the Japanese would pay for number one export grade of the stuff. There's a reason why fishermen sell chum fully dressed,. They make money off of the eggs. Fishing companies take advantage of this and pay next to nothing for the chum itself and make a killing on the roe.

My favourite is herring roe. Not the ones found in the females, although they are good, too, but the ones that are on kelp (kombu kazunoko). The best kombu kazunoko are the ones where the roe is layed evenly on both sides of the kelp. The thicker, the more it will cost the consumer. I have a friend who harvests kombu kazunoko. He preps it in brine, dries it and freezes it. Soak the stuff in water again and it comes back to life. Almost as good as fresh.

Nowadays, they produce kombu kazunoko by placing large pieces of kelp, let the female herring so their thing. Like cultured pearls.......... Then there's the kazunoko that are layed on other plants and seeweed types.

Anyway, ikura, FTMFW! On hot rice with soy sauce.

[Jas29]

Fishing companies paid more for chum this year then usual from what i'm hearing. I never knew caviar cost so much always got it for free so never looked into the price lol

hmm never tried herring roe will try to get my hands on some. when is it in season?

will also try the hot rice and soy sauce in the next couple of days

[Culverin]

i've been saying this for years. The government and businesses behind farmed fish aren't listening and are turning a blind eye. Other countries have banned open pen farm fishing. Why have we not? Money. It's always about the god damn money. Never thinking about the future.

What can we do to stop this? By not buying farmed salmon. Simple. When I go to restaurants and stores that sell it, I talk to as many people as I can. Most just think I'm nuts. The stupid thing is, the salmon they farm is not even indigenous to these parts. They are from the ocean on the other side of the country. It's because they mature faster.

I think it's too late. My father when he was still alive, told me of salmon in his nets that didn't belong in the waters. They were Atlantic Salmon that have escaped the pens. Never made the connection until news of open pen farming started to come out.

Thanks, blagh, for bringing this up.


If any of you are involved in the restaurant business or sell fish, take farmed Atlantic salmon off the menu, before it's the only salmon you'll ever see in years to come.


I don't eat Atlantic.
My friends know me as a really serious foodie, but I don't want to be the asshole who gets all preachy about it.



According the some web research I've done, you're not supposed to eat Salmon fresh.
99% of the time, it's fine and you're totally safe, but there's an off chance you'll get a worm/parasite. That's why you're not supposed to eat it raw.
If I were to acquire chum eggs not through a commercial supplier, how do I know they are safe?

[MG1]

It has been posted a few times in this thread that all fish has to be frozen before eating it raw.

As for buying fish eggs from no n commercial sources, as long as it has been kept cool and isn't days old, you should be fine. They're eggs, not flesh. May not taste the best, though.

Back to kazunoko......... The best is actually the kind that are deposited on pine branches and leaves. Very local and specialized. Very auspicious at New Years. It is much like BC Nori. Not found anywhere else. Another local food that is better than stuff from Japan is T. Amano white organic miso. Like BC wines rivalling long established Euro and Cali wines.

[DragonChi]

Is the DFO opening still listing our area as area E?

Trying to figure out when and where to pickup salmon from the fisherman.

[fashomormon]

Is the DFO opening still listing our area as area E?

Trying to figure out when and where to pickup salmon from the fisherman.

Yep Area E 29. Potential opening Wednesday 6am to 10pm.
Notice should be up sometimes Tuesday, maybe earlier.