[ah gon]

I think I should post this thread to let u guys split the post

Young woman badly injured in hit and run | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/young-woman-badly-injured-in-hit-and-run-1.1945289)

EDIT: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/we-love-ovey

Indiegogo campaign for her medical bills. -Ronin

[iHeat]

saw lots of police by that area today around 7am when i was heading to work hope they find the honda civic

[kouki_monster]

Saw this being shared by many friends on facebook who knew the girl that was hit, seen her around on campus at SFU, her wall was literally flooded with best wishes comments. Really hope she pulls through.

[Ronin]

Be on the look out for a black Civic with frontal damage.

[noclue]

Won't ICBC and MSP pay for her medical costs?

[Mr.HappySilp]

The least you could do is stay after you hit someone. Beside is Vancouver even if you hit someone most likely not much will happen to you.

People these days~~ too afraid to face consequence. Do the crime face the time.

[Ronin]

As someone currently dealing with ICBC for an accident where I was not at fault (got rear ended), it's a pain in the ass and they don't pay for it all up front. My physiotherapy costs are covered 50% now and 50% later, apparently. ICBC takes a long time to get you a cheque.

Also, prescription drugs aren't cheap and even if you're covered, you aren't covered 100% most of the time. I have family members paying $800 a month for prescription drugs despite having MSP coverage.

No one is going to go bankrupt on medical bills like they do in the US. If this was the US, $10k wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. She'll be taken care of but there is still a financial burden on the her and her family that they shouldn't have to deal with because some douche ran into her.

[Ch28]

Let's all hope for the best and that Ovey recovers soon.

[sonick]

As someone currently dealing with ICBC for an accident where I was not at fault (got rear ended), it's a pain in the ass and they don't pay for it all up front. My physiotherapy costs are covered 50% now and 50% later, apparently. ICBC takes a long time to get you a cheque.

Also, prescription drugs aren't cheap and even if you're covered, you aren't covered 100% most of the time. I have family members paying $800 a month for prescription drugs despite having MSP coverage.

No one is going to go bankrupt on medical bills like they do in the US. If this was the US, $10k wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. She'll be taken care of but there is still a financial burden on the her and her family that they shouldn't have to deal with because some douche ran into her.

Thanks, I was wondering about the MSP/ICBC as well.

As for Ovey, I am acquainted with her and have many mutual friends though not very close. She has always been super outgoing and friendly; definitely well liked and has a bright career future ahead of her.

She had liked a few of my pics I had posted on FB the afternoon prior to the accident, it's kind of unnerving to see it now realizing what tragedy she would encounter mere hours later.

[Eff-1]

As someone currently dealing with ICBC for an accident where I was not at fault (got rear ended), it's a pain in the ass and they don't pay for it all up front. My physiotherapy costs are covered 50% now and 50% later, apparently. ICBC takes a long time to get you a cheque.

Actually they do pay 100% of everything on an ongoing basis. I was also injured from a rear end collision and not out of pocket for anything.

Ovey is a friend of mine and I ask everyone to keep your eye out for the black civic and pray for her full recovery.

[Culverin]

I want to see a bounty on the civic.
Similar to Cops.

Information leading to the arrest and conviction.
A cunt who will run away from this probably has cunt friends as well.
We just need to entice one of them to sell-out his cowardly buddy.

[Ronin]

Actually they do pay 100% of everything on an ongoing basis. I was also injured from a rear end collision and not out of pocket for anything.

Ovey is a friend of mine and I ask everyone to keep your eye out for the black civic and pray for her full recovery.

I'm currently paying 50% of my physio costs, which they will reimburse me for later.

[Eff-1]

That's too bad. They reimburse me 100% for physio, chiro, massage, prescriptions, Tylenol, you name it. Yes you'll be reimbursed eventually for the difference but I rather not deal with that if I don't have to.

[4444]

i wonder what she was doing at 4am to be involved in the accident (what i mean is, was she crossing at an intersection, or jay walking, etc. - i'm not attesting blame, just interested in the circumstances) - regardless, the driver of the civic is guilty of something as he left the scene. accidents do, sadly, happen, but to leave, that either says you were doing something wrong or you're an idiot.

i'm a little confused as to why there is a need for raising funds. I thought Canada had free healthcare. The victim in question worked, correct? so wouldn't she have extended healthcare through that, above and beyond MSP, ICBC... i think that raised money shouldn't be needed from the perspective of this free healthcare system and her insurance should be sufficient... i guess the truth comes out when something serious happens, as has been supported by Ronin's case and others.

i do wish her well, as one human to another (don't know her personally) - no one deserves this.

edit: i hope they find the civic driver quickly and throw the fucking book at him/her. unfortunately one cannot prove if they were drunk or high subsequently, but i want all the powers available to throw at this person. they've had enough time to come forward now and say it was a terrible knee jerk reaction to leave, and show remorse - clearly this isn't happening.

sadly, they'll get a suspended sentence and license taken away for 12 months, or less, just like the drunk driver that killed my friend's family...

[nah]

As someone currently dealing with ICBC for an accident where I was not at fault (got rear ended), it's a pain in the ass and they don't pay for it all up front. My physiotherapy costs are covered 50% now and 50% later, apparently. ICBC takes a long time to get you a cheque.

Also, prescription drugs aren't cheap and even if you're covered, you aren't covered 100% most of the time. I have family members paying $800 a month for prescription drugs despite having MSP coverage.

No one is going to go bankrupt on medical bills like they do in the US. If this was the US, $10k wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. She'll be taken care of but there is still a financial burden on the her and her family that they shouldn't have to deal with because some douche ran into her.

MSP doesn't cover prescription drugs, it only covers your care with doctors and hospitals. Extend health insurance through work or out of pocket covers prescription drugs.

[stewie]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).

[4444]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).

because some people are valued higher than others in society because they are popular, with the in crowd, etc.

i agree with your sentiment exactly, nothing against this girl, but just that all life is equal.

that's not to say i don't wish her well, i wish her well as much as anyone else unfairly hurt or injured.

[shenmecar]

I hope the indegogo campaign actually only uses what is necessary to help her. If there is any leftover, donate it to charity or something. This can easily become a Filipino Charity Scam. That being said, I don't know the severity of her situation and don't know if the money raised will be enough either. Just expressing my concerns on donating to people I don't know on the internetz.

[6o4__boi]

shits messed up.


i noticed there's been a lot more stories of hit and runs in the news this year.
it's a pretty disturbing trend that it seems like more and more people are choosing the coward's way after causing accidents.
kinda makes me wonder if we need to revisit and maybe put more effort into how we deal with hit and runs

i absolutely hate these type of people, sure you have options, sure you may have been scared but fuck you for running...you have it easy, just think of the person you left injured/dying. I hope your family member/loved one suffers the exact same fate.

god forbid if this ever happened to a loved one, they better pray the authorities find them first if they decide to run away, cus i will spend my every waking moment and I will run myself to dust looking for this fucker and when I find them, they'll wish for the rest of their short lives that they'd stayed.

[Ch28]

I hope the indegogo campaign actually only uses what is necessary to help her. If there is any leftover, donate it to charity or something. This can easily become a Filipino Charity Scam. That being said, I don't know the severity of her situation and don't know if the money raised will be enough either. Just expressing my concerns on donating to people I don't know on the internetz.

This definitely won't be a filipino charity scam.

Last I heard, she was in an induced coma, so the situation is pretty severe.

[Sentinel]

Last I heard, she was in an induced coma, so the situation is pretty severe.

Her sister posted: in an induced coma with severe brain and bone damage.

[sonick]

UPDATE: It was a two door newer black Honda Civic coupe

[Hondaracer]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).


because she's Asian, goes to SFU, and this is revscene.

seems like the typical equation.

[Spoon]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).

Because social media. :yuno:

[Ch28]

because she's Asian, goes to SFU, and this is revscene.

seems like the typical equation.

Fuck off with trying to bring race into this.

It's about someone getting run over to the point where she's in a medically induced coma. Doesn't matter if she's asian, white, black, brown, ubc, sfu, langara, kwantlen.

[sonick]

Because social media. :yuno:

+1.

She is very well known within not only SFU but a ton of other local communities/associations. I only met her randomly through school but found she knew a ton of my mutual friends. Given that most of them/us are so adept with social media, it's no surprise it's gained so much traction.

Coincidentally she works and is quite involved in the local PR/communications/digital marketing realm.

[Inaii]

I didn't know anything about this until I saw Ronin post it on facebook. I hope she has a speedy recovery. Question though, if you spot the car in question do you call non-emerg or 911? 911 right since it's an open case and the driver fled?

[FerrariEnzo]

I didn't know anything about this until I saw Ronin post it on facebook. I hope she has a speedy recovery. Question though, if you spot the car in question do you call non-emerg or 911? 911 right since it's an open case and the driver fled?
Police are asking anyone with information to call the VPD Collision Investigation Unit at 604-717-3012 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

According to article...

[Inaii]

Police are asking anyone with information to call the VPD Collision Investigation Unit at 604-717-3012 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.

According to article...

Thanks missed that. I skimmed the article.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).

because she is popular. lots of people know her. she is super extroverted (in the smart way) and well known in whatever community she decides to partake in.


that being said, i know people that have been permanently disabled and yes, the government shines when you see what these people get, and how the government really takes care of them.... that being said again... there are a lot of costs that will come out of your own pocket when you're disabled. Beginning to explain how different a disabled person's life is, their needs and requirements to just "get by the day" ...is futile when the person listening isn't disabled or hasnt worked with disabled people themselves. there's lots of small obstacles that cost money and it all adds up.

The optimistic side of me hopes for a speedy recover, but the realistic and naturally pessimistic side of me knows that if she's in a medically induced coma... they probably loaded her up with barbs to do surgery on her head.

I think there's a pretty good chance she'll never be normal again. of course i don't really know any details other than she has critical head injuries and is in a medically induced coma (and what a medically induced coma pertains to).

[stewie]

I think there's a pretty good chance she'll never be normal again. of course i don't really know any details other than she has critical head injuries and is in a medically induced coma (and what a medically induced coma pertains to).


In that case, I'm going for an open craniotomy at the end of sept to remove my right anterior temporal lobe and it will result in me having visual memory loss.


If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

[rageguy]

I think there's a pretty good chance she'll never be normal again. of course i don't really know any details other than she has critical head injuries and is in a medically induced coma (and what a medically induced coma pertains to).

Yup, I feel bad for her family and friends. When she is out of the coma, what's going to happen to her? Amnesia, vegetable, the list goes on. The sad part is that due to all this social media coverage, you know the black Civic owner is hiding and repairing the damage right now.

[nma]

In that case, I'm going for an open craniotomy at the end of sept to remove my right anterior temporal lobe and it will result in me having visual memory loss.


If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

I can see why you feel this way, but seriously, she just got smoked by a car... She never asked for this to happen, and her friends are simply reaching out and trying to support her both emotionally and physically. If your friends were to set up a charity for you, then so be it.. If you want to set one up for your self, go ahead. I don't think there's anything wrong with what's going on. People are free to feel however they want. If they feel bad for her but don't give a shit about anyone else that's completely fine... Free world.


People often respond WAY more to things that happen to those that are somehow "connected" to them. I know people who only know her through others, and were really sad when they heard about the news. However, they had a much more mild reaction to a plane coming down and killing 300 people. I don't personally agree with that but it seems like that's just the way people are.

[twitchyzero]

If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

this might sound blunt but no one's stopping you from setting up a kickstarter/indiegogo account

I feel these sympathy/empathy crowdsourcing is more successful when it's a sudden onset....ie someone lost their house in a fire, a hit-n-run incident etc vs something you've lived with the majority of your life.

[trollguy]

well looks like vancitybuzz has posted her donation page. up to $20k in donations

[will068]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).


She's well-networked. She was already setting up these events and galas while she was in high school and I'm sure she did more networking while at SFU. Whenever I am in some sort of event or fund raiser, I would not be surprised if I find out if she was an organizer.

Anyways, my group of friends are friends with her and she really is that type of person with lots of positive energy. Maybe that's why folks are more than willing to help her out.

[meme405]

Should set up a kickstarter for the family of that del sol driver.

[Ronin]

In that case, I'm going for an open craniotomy at the end of sept to remove my right anterior temporal lobe and it will result in me having visual memory loss.


If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

That blows but honestly, no one is stopping anyone that knows you from doing the exact same thing.

She just happens to work in a very social media and tech orientated crowd and is well networked. I'm going to guess most of the people that you work with don't know what "the Twitter" is. Maybe one of them will have a bake sale for you.

Not hating. Just telling you the difference.

[trollguy]

Should set up a kickstarter for the family of that del sol driver.

think vancitybuzz will post it on their FB page? they've set precedent for this after all...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

In that case, I'm going for an open craniotomy at the end of sept to remove my right anterior temporal lobe and it will result in me having visual memory loss.


If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

if you want to, im sure people you know and people of RS will donate.

[Spoon]

In that case, I'm going for an open craniotomy at the end of sept to remove my right anterior temporal lobe and it will result in me having visual memory loss.

If someone could set up a charity for me that would be great. I'm not well known among 18-twenty-sonething year olds, but 75% of city workers in Burnaby know me, people from telus, kinder morgan, shaw, she'll, chevron, and other companies I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Let's just make the wild hypothesis that this individual did enough good and positively influenced others that she deserves this. Because dwelling on the whole "why her, not me" bit will just eat you up and not contribute to anything.

[FerrariEnzo]

This maybe a stupid question but lets say I was behind this civic and saw the whole thing, should I stop and tend/see the victim or follow that civic and just keeping my distance to let the cops know the exact location/direction of the car??

[Ch28]

That blows but honestly, no one is stopping anyone that knows you from doing the exact same thing.

She just happens to work in a very social media and tech orientated crowd and is well networked. I'm going to guess most of the people that you work with don't know what "the Twitter" is. Maybe one of them will have a bake sale for you.

Not hating. Just telling you the difference.

It's summer right now, so maybe they can open a few lemonade stands :thumbs:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

This maybe a stupid question but lets say I was behind this civic and saw the whole thing, should I stop and tend/see the victim or follow that civic and just keeping my distance to let the cops know the exact location/direction of the car??

the answer is obvious.

you would call the cops and follow the civic and try to get a licence plate.

what are u gonna do to help the victim? you a doctor? you a paramedic? you have the proper equipment? paramedics are coming anyway. but the civic is getting away every second you hesitate to follow it.

the damage has already been done, nothing you can do to lessen the physical harm done unless they were literally bleeding out and you knew how to stop the blood.

[Inaii]

This maybe a stupid question but lets say I was behind this civic and saw the whole thing, should I stop and tend/see the victim or follow that civic and just keeping my distance to let the cops know the exact location/direction of the car??

If other people stopped I would say follow the car.

[trollguy]

I would stop after making sure I got the plate #. That's all you really need to report and authorities can take it from there.

I am doubtful the 911 operator will tell you to continue chase the car.

[Ch28]

Her sister confirmed that she's now in stable condition

[Manic!]

the answer is obvious.



what are u gonna do to help the victim? you a doctor? you a paramedic? you have the proper equipment?


Every high school kid learns first aid.

[Inaii]

I would stop after making sure I got the plate #. That's all you really need to report and authorities can take it from there.

I am doubtful the 911 operator will tell you to continue chase the car.

Any time I've called in about someone who was weaving all over the place and nearly hitting other cars, they've asked me to follow them.

[trollguy]

seriously? haha.

i stand corrected then. free ticket to weave!

[FerrariEnzo]

the answer is obvious.

you would call the cops and follow the civic and try to get a licence plate.

what are u gonna do to help the victim? you a doctor? you a paramedic? you have the proper equipment? paramedics are coming anyway. but the civic is getting away every second you hesitate to follow it.

the damage has already been done, nothing you can do to lessen the physical harm done unless they were literally bleeding out and you knew how to stop the blood.
I have first aid level 1.. May not be much I do the proper basic technique which could help stablize the victim little a and increase the chances of survival via 911 operator... At the same time i dont want those bastards to get away... Hmmm....

[you!]

ok so it seems like quite a handful of ppl here knows the victim or has been somewhat related to her before but the question is still left unanswered...

what exactly was she doing at 4am when the accident happened?
not playing the blame game but i'm sure everyone else is curious, especially those who participated in donations despite not knowing her i would imagine at least deserves to hear her side of the story

[stewie]

I can see why you feel this way, but seriously, she just got smoked by a car... She never asked for this to happen, and her friends are simply reaching out and trying to support her both emotionally and physically. If your friends were to set up a charity for you, then so be it.. If you want to set one up for your self, go ahead. I don't think there's anything wrong with what's going on. People are free to feel however they want. If they feel bad for her but don't give a shit about anyone else that's completely fine... Free world.


People often respond WAY more to things that happen to those that are somehow "connected" to them. I know people who only know her through others, and were really sad when they heard about the news. However, they had a much more mild reaction to a plane coming down and killing 300 people. I don't personally agree with that but it seems like that's just the way people are.

this might sound blunt but no one's stopping you from setting up a kickstarter/indiegogo account

I feel these sympathy/empathy crowdsourcing is more successful when it's a sudden onset....ie someone lost their house in a fire, a hit-n-run incident etc vs something you've lived with the majority of your life.

Let's just make the wild hypothesis that this individual did enough good and positively influenced others that she deserves this. Because dwelling on the whole "why her, not me" bit will just eat you up and not contribute to anything.

That blows but honestly, no one is stopping anyone that knows you from doing the exact same thing.

She just happens to work in a very social media and tech orientated crowd and is well networked. I'm going to guess most of the people that you work with don't know what "the Twitter" is. Maybe one of them will have a bake sale for you.

Not hating. Just telling you the difference.

lol i honestly dont want some fund made up for me lol. they seem to pop up faster and faster each day.

wrong guess though ronin, but im not mad nor upset in the slightest. ive never heard of her, just as you've never heard of me. plain and simple. if she was that big of a deal, i'd have known who she is. vice versa

the answer is obvious.

you would call the cops and follow the civic and try to get a licence plate.

what are u gonna do to help the victim? you a doctor? you a paramedic? you have the proper equipment? paramedics are coming anyway. but the civic is getting away every second you hesitate to follow it.

the damage has already been done, nothing you can do to lessen the physical harm done unless they were literally bleeding out and you knew how to stop the blood.

depending on your first aid level you'd either stay or follow. for me, i wouldnt be able to leave once ive acknowleged the accident. ive the same first aid level a fire fighter has, and im still taking more courses to further that level.
am i a doctor? no.
a paramedic? no.
equipment? a simple t-shirt can be used as a tourniquet.
as long as your not trying to do more harm than whats already done, and trying to help, its better than doing nothing. the car can only go so many places without being seen by a camera.


just my 2 cents on this thread though. :)

[trollguy]

wrong guess though ronin, but im not mad nor upset in the slightest. ive never heard of her, just as you've never heard of me. plain and simple. if she was that big of a deal, i'd have known who she is. vice versa


i did enjoy ronin's assumption of the people you know though, and his subsequent bake sale comment.

[twitchyzero]

what exactly was she doing at 4am when the accident happened?


i'm trying to understand the significance of this question

if someone is out and about past 2am are you implying they might be up to no good? we don't live in a police state with martial law.

[jackmeister]

i'm trying to understand the significance of this question

if someone is out and about past 2am are you implying they might be up to no good? we don't live in a police state with martial law.

I think he's just wondering if she was putting herself into danger in the first place? I've been around that area around 4am and cars just rip down Pacific Blvd. It's also one of the worst places and times to get a cab, even though there are two nightclubs and a casino.

[jeedee]

i'm trying to understand the significance of this question

if someone is out and about past 2am are you implying they might be up to no good? we don't live in a police state with martial law.

There's nothing wrong with going out at 4AM or 2AM but I'm also curious as to why/how she got hit down at Pacific Blvd?

I'm guessing jaywalking?

I hope she makes a speedy recovery but jaywalking across that area or whatever the reason was is just trouble.

[Noir]

ok so it seems like quite a handful of ppl here knows the victim or has been somewhat related to her before but the question is still left unanswered...


what exactly was she doing at 4am when the accident happened?

not playing the blame game but i'm sure everyone else is curious, especially those who participated in donations despite not knowing her i would imagine at least deserves to hear her side of the story

What's relevance does the TOA have on the incident? There's no hour in the 24hr clock that anyone is fair game for a hit and run.

What if she was slutting it up and coming home from a one night stand? What difference does that make?

Let's not hide behind the "not playing the blame game/just curious" statement when its obviously untrue. We all know how it looks or sounds when a young lady is still out and about in ungodly hours. The point is, it still doesn't matter.



There's nothing wrong with going out at 4AM or 2AM but I'm also curious as to why/how she got hit down at Pacific Blvd?

I'm guessing jaywalking?

I hope she makes a speedy recovery but jaywalking across that area is just asking for trouble when it's a road for people who speed IMO


This is probably the more appropriate inquiry. What was she doing at the time of the accident, was she jaywalking, was she texting and crossing the street, etc, or not.

However, when the emphasis of the inquiry is more in regards to the time, rather than the nature of the incident... it's plain as daylight what a guy/girl is thinking instead.

[Stormspirit]

hope the best for her.

but i just need to know...why does everyone care so damn much about this? this happens all the time and nobody else sets up a donation for medical bills for that person. ive actually never even heard of this girl before so really ive no emotional attachment to her/this scenario. i see person after person on my facebook feed posting this saying "lets help her" or "shes the best" etc etc, yet not a single one of them are friends with her (or so their friends list says).

so u need to know the person in order to help them? typical selfish revscene poster. u must be asian and 18 as well.

[meme405]

so u need to know the person in order to help them? typical selfish revscene poster. u must be asian and 18 as well.

You idiot.

----

I think most people are just confused at the fact that this new phenomenon of crowd funding is being used to fund really odd things. I don't think anyone is bashing her, they are just curious on how this became a new norm so quickly.

Realistically this thing has raised like 25k in less than 12 hours, and is supposed to go on for almost a month. Even declining returns mean that if this story stays in the spotlight for the next little bit, it could easily surpass 50k. People do realize health care in Canada is free right? I mean I know, she can't go to work, and she might have physio, or medication, but 50 grand worth?

Like stewie said, this sort of things happens to others all the time. Most of them never receive anything like this, except for very rare instances.

[stewie]

so u need to know the person in order to help them? typical selfish revscene poster. u must be asian and 18 as well.

sorry bud, im white. i was 18 almost a decade ago...2 months till a decade actually. unless i was 8ish when i signed up in 2005...

selfish? no. theres a million charities around, i dont donate to any of them so why should this be an exception? cause shes a popular girl? whoop-dee-doo...

if your calling me selfish im only assuming that you've helped donate to her with or without knowing her? if not, quit being selfish and go donate. while your at it go donate to that christians childrens fund with all the starving kids in 3rd world countries.

but yes, if i dont know someone, never will, and have no intentions on ever knowing them. then why should i care? the most care ill give to a random person is the medical care im capable of giving, whether its an emergency child birth, car crash, burn victim, or cpr related...but just remember, its "life over limb", if your ever in a car crash, and your leg is completely pinched under the wheel with no chance of being able to squeeze it out, cars on fire and about to set you on fire and kill you...i will cut your leg off with whatever i have that can be used. inside my truck theres usually a hammer, crow bar, hacksaw, and hatchet since i go camping all the time.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

well i guess it just goes to show, being known and having lots of friends does make a difference.

that being said, even if the crowd funding gets to 300k, i bet she'd still rather reverse the injury than take the money.

I know a handful of people that have received a million dollar payout for being injured. they would ALL give back the million in a heartbeat if it meant reversing incident.

[Ronin]

so u need to know the person in order to help them? typical selfish revscene poster. u must be asian and 18 as well.

Why is that selfish?

I only have so much money and care to go around. The number of people that I don't know far outnumbers the people I do. Wouldn't it make sense for everyone to donate money and time to the causes that affect them and those around them that they know personally?

Just giving money willy nilly to everyone that has a sob story about world hunger or some disease or whatever is financially irresponsible. I write cheques once a year to the causes I support and then I don't donate anything the rest of the time unless they're people I know or someone's kid wants me to buy cookies for their school fundraiser. I figure all those other charities will be funded by people that care about them far more than I do.

[Terwg]

I hope Ovey makes a successful recovery.

The truth is that she will never be the same again. Damages to the brain are practically impossible to repair without side effects. In the best case scenario, she has to learn a lot of what she knew before again as well as the pain caused by the accident.

She is currently stable condition meaning that she won't die but the long term effects are most likely going to be lifelong. Even if she miraculously fully recovers, there will be emotional, personality changes (for someone like her who is very positive extravert, friendly, it would most likely be in the opposite direction of this), depression, short term memory loss, etc.

MSP/ICBC will cover most of the short term medical costs, lost wages, etc but the long term costs/accommodations would still be substantial. Also, one would know it is seriously when a Vancouver hospital heart surgeon department head makes a sizable donation on her donation page.

A lot of the students know her from Vancouver either through school, friends, events, etc and she has added value to people's lives so this is their way of giving back to her. Furthermore, she knows many people in media/social media and they are sharing the donation page link.

From my calculations, her out of pocket costs will most likely run into the 6 figures so the 25k is underestimating. If the driver is found, a 7 figure settlement is likely and she might not need the donation funds in the short term. If the driver is not found, the settlement might be in the 6 figure range out of the ICBC hit and run fund and she will need the donated funds.

[meme405]

I hope Ovey makes a successful recovery.

The truth is that she will never be the same again. Damages to the brain are practically impossible to repair without side effects. In the best case scenario, she has to learn a lot of what she knew before again as well as the pain caused by the accident.

She is currently stable condition meaning that she won't die but the long term effects are most likely going to be lifelong. Even if she miraculously fully recovers, there will be emotional, personality changes (for someone like her who is very positive extravert, friendly, it would most likely be in the opposite direction of this), depression, short term memory loss, etc.

MSP/ICBC will cover most of the short term medical costs, lost wages, etc but the long term costs/accommodations would still be substantial. Also, one would know it is seriously when a Vancouver hospital heart surgeon department head makes a sizable donation on her donation page.

A lot of the students know her from Vancouver either through school, friends, events, etc and she has added value to people's lives so this is their way of giving back to her. Furthermore, she knows many people in media/social media and they are sharing the donation page link.

From my calculations, her out of pocket costs will most likely run into the 6 figures so the 25k is underestimating. If the driver is found, a 7 figure settlement is likely and she might not need the donation funds in the short term. If the driver is not found, the settlement might be in the 6 figure range out of the ICBC hit and run fund and she will need the donated funds.

Sorry, but who the fuck are you?

"From my calculations..." :facepalm:

[noclue]

I think the reason why people are touchy about money crowd funding is that they still remember that grandma who got bullied on youtube and people crowd funded her $780,000USD... which is like winning the lottery. Ever since that story theres been lots of crowd-funding scams so people are more skeptic.

[stewie]

I think the reason why people are touchy about money crowd funding is that they still remember that grandma who got bullied on youtube and people crowd funded her $780,000USD... which is like winning the lottery. Ever since that story theres been lots of crowd-funding scams so people are more skeptic.

noclue, ive no clue what your talking about a grandma on youtube being bullied... :/

[dvst8]

This thread is about helping someone that legitimately needs help. It isn't about why you hate donating your money or defending your selfishness etc......If you have nothing nice to contribute, please keep your opinions to yourself.

[Shark Tank]

noclue, ive no clue what your talking about a grandma on youtube being bullied... :/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l93wAqnPQwk

[tiger_handheld]

Haven't read the last 3 pages, but how do a lot of people know her? Even if it's highschool , thats only about 2-300 people? seems like half the city knows her..

[Mr.HappySilp]

Haven't read the last 3 pages, but how do a lot of people know her? Even if it's highschool , thats only about 2-300 people? seems like half the city knows her..

That's the power of media. I don't think a lot of people know her personally. Most likely is friends of friends knows her.

[GS8]

If it was me in her spot, I would probably still be lying on the road due to lack of friends.

What happened to her was tragic. Whatever people's intentions are to only give money to the 'famous victim' is their own. I wouldn't even bother trying to understand the psychology behind it. I just know that some pedestrians get hurt / killed through no fault of their own like the woman on her scooter who got killed by a truck in Port Moody a couple of months ago.

[EmperorIS]

Alot of you in this thread needs to get hit by a car.

[Ronin]

Haven't read the last 3 pages, but how do a lot of people know her? Even if it's highschool , thats only about 2-300 people? seems like half the city knows her..

I don't understand why this part is so hard for some of you people to understand.

[4444]

i'm trying to understand the significance of this question

if someone is out and about past 2am are you implying they might be up to no good? we don't live in a police state with martial law.

i think for a lot of people it is just wonderment. 4am is a relatively abnormal time for most people to be at or around pacific and abott - granville, gastown, yaletown is probably more acceptable, but the question is more of was she at the cross walk, or was she jaywalking, was this a horrid accident where she was intoxicated and accidently stumbled into the road?

the surrounding information is totally irrelevant as fundamentally she was hit, is severely injured and the driver scarpered. but certainly, some people will be intrigued as to the events precluding the accident, perhaps just to be more aware for themselves of the risks one exposes them to on a daily basis.

i feel terrible for her as a human being, popular or not, I would never feel anything but sadness for anyone that experienced this, and regardless of if she were jaywalking, intoxicated, or totally following the rules of the road - this is still a horrific accident for anyone to be exposed to. Again, i think this is more of a self preservation thing - what can we learn from this accident.

[Eff-1]

If you have met her, you would understand why the response has been what it is. If you haven't met her, then you won't get it. If $25k is raised in 48hrs, that speaks to her character as a kind person and the network she has made for herself. Why question it??

[4444]

I don't understand why this part is so hard for some of you people to understand.

i don't get why it's important.

some people like to be popular, some people can't live without having loads of friends... others prefer a quieter life... so she has loads of friends who want to help her out - good for her, it's none of our business. if you don't want to donate, don't. there are millions of charities out there, you can't donate to them all - put this in that category

[you!]

i'm trying to understand the significance of this question

if someone is out and about past 2am are you implying they might be up to no good? we don't live in a police state with martial law.

read quote below

i think for a lot of people it is just wonderment. 4am is a relatively abnormal time for most people to be at or around pacific and abott - granville, gastown, yaletown is probably more acceptable, but the question is more of was she at the cross walk, or was she jaywalking, was this a horrid accident where she was intoxicated and accidently stumbled into the road?


^^ what 4444 said is exactly what i meant
so many posts since i last asked the question and yet it remains unanswered whether she was jaywalking/texting/drunk or if she was sober and and did nothing wrong, the point is people still need to know the events that occurred before the incident, especially those who does not even know her and made donations

whatever happened to knowing both sides of the story? what's the reason why people wont post it here, on the donations website, on vancity buzz, fb, etc etc??

[meme405]

whatever happened to knowing both sides of the story? what's the reason why people wont post it here, on the donations website, on vancity buzz, fb, etc etc??

I agree kind of.

But knowing both sides of the story kind of went out the window the moment the dumbass Civic driver decided to run.

Now it doesn't matter anymore what happened leading up to the event, that guy is the villain.

[Ching.Chong]

wow

[Ch28]

whatever happened to knowing both sides of the story? what's the reason why people wont post it here, on the donations website, on vancity buzz, fb, etc etc??

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the reason that nobody has said anything regarding this is because she was alone? She lives downtown, so it's not unimaginable that she was just walking home after a night out with friends.

I'm sure there have been nights where we've stayed out until 3-4am. Seriously, she knows everybody. Wouldn't be surprised if she's always being invited to events around the city.

[you!]

i know what u mean but yeh sure i could just be walking home too after a night out with friends but at the same time while walking home i may just want to get there faster by jaywalking, or maybe i could be texting/talking to someone, may just be really tired and not too attentive of my surroundings or i may be doing none of those and just walking home in a normal manner

its more for public awareness the way i see it - ive never been at that area, i frequent dt but im not familiar with the area where the incident happened so it's also good to know about the potential hazards around that area

like if im just walking by robson and thurlow area around rush hour it is very common to see ppl jaywalking or on the phone but the area she was at during the time of incident may be 10x more dangerous

[anxiety]

First walking at 4am alone isn't a good choice. Second, We don't know what really happened, but there could've been multiple scenarios. she might have jaywalked; she could've walked across the street legally but didn't scan the intersection. maybe she looked at her phone. I have seen both scenarios in downtime too many times. Jaywalkers; people dashing across the street not making eye contact with the left turning car or right turning car or not making sure if the car with red light has fully stopped. Not to mention it was 4am, people should've been even more cautious.

[Hondaracer]

Jay walking drunk at 4am hit by drunk driver heading home

If you hit a jaywalker when your sober or Somone just stepped out in front of you, you might as well stick around because it will be on the person walking. However public opinion will always be on the driver and with stories like the stupid $30 pizza one here, even if you are sober you'd probably be tempted to drive away then have your name dragged through the mud for Somone else's fault.

Not saying directly in this case but pedestrians in general should be more accountable or at least use their heads before stepping out in front of a 3000 lb car and thinking they're in the right.

[Noir]

Jay walking drunk at 4am hit by drunk driver heading home

If you hit a jaywalker when your sober or Somone just stepped out in front of you, you might as well stick around because it will be on the person walking. However public opinion will always be on the driver and with stories like the stupid $30 pizza one here, even if you are sober you'd probably be tempted to drive away then have your name dragged through the mud for Somone else's fault.

Not saying directly in this case but pedestrians in general should be more accountable or at least use their heads before stepping out in front of a 3000 lb car and thinking they're in the right.

That's one hell of a stretch, that I've ever seen, about arguing for the party who hit-n-ran.

[quasi]

Jay walking drunk at 4am hit by drunk driver heading home

If you hit a jaywalker when your sober or Somone just stepped out in front of you, you might as well stick around because it will be on the person walking. However public opinion will always be on the driver and with stories like the stupid $30 pizza one here, even if you are sober you'd probably be tempted to drive away then have your name dragged through the mud for Somone else's fault.

Not saying directly in this case but pedestrians in general should be more accountable or at least use their heads before stepping out in front of a 3000 lb car and thinking they're in the right.

True, my buddy hit some crackhead last month in the Vancouver Eastside on his way home from work. The guy stumbled into the side of his truck, bounced his head off side of the truck (hard enough to dent it) and then proceeded to get his legs run over as he fell under the back tire. The ambulance and cops came, the police told him it's a daily thing down here nothing you could do, took his statement and waived him along. The guy who got ran over wasn't very cooperative with the Police or the ambulance.

[underscore]

I think the reason why people are touchy about money crowd funding is that they still remember that grandma who got bullied on youtube and people crowd funded her $780,000USD... which is like winning the lottery. Ever since that story theres been lots of crowd-funding scams so people are more skeptic.

Better still, remember Kony 2012? Of course that was a total scam, but I'm still hesitant to crowdfund something that may not need funding. I haven't seen anything here yet to show she'll be paying for anything out of pocket so fundraising for bills she doesn't have seems a bit silly. I'd be more likely to donate to "she's stuck with a $xx bill" vs "she might have bills".

I agree kind of.

But knowing both sides of the story kind of went out the window the moment the dumbass Civic driver decided to run.

Now it doesn't matter anymore what happened leading up to the event, that guy is the villain.

I wouldn't jump to that 100%, but it's leaning heavily in that direction.

[raysquared]

The money would be good to cover all the work she's going to miss. It's going to be a LONG road back before she can even think of working. Having all this money would help so she wouldn't have to think about how she's going to cover her mortgage/loans etc.

Either way, like it's been said before, if you don't want to donate, don't. I'm sure if it was your sister/mom who got hit and runned, you would be singing a different tune.

[Noir]

Better still, remember Kony 2012? Of course that was a total scam, but I'm still hesitant to crowdfund something that may not need funding. I haven't seen anything here yet to show she'll be paying for anything out of pocket so fundraising for bills she doesn't have seems a bit silly. I'd be more likely to donate to "she's stuck with a $xx bill" vs "she might have bills".



I wouldn't jump to that 100%, but it's leaning heavily in that direction.

I think the point is not about recuperating and is moreso about compensating.

Yes, theoretically insurance should cover her recuperation, but i think the compensation aspect is more along the lines similar to:

- When you buy a friend a beer on a bad day.
- when you buy a friend who's down on his luck a meal.

Of course, we're talking about severe brain trauma and possibly life altering disabilities, so the concept is magnified. So instead of buying her a meal, it's more like her friends, family and anonymous well-wishers pooled together to make sure she's comfortable for the next year or two; which to me doesn't feel like an offensive or scammy a sentiment.

Now, if the friends and family was using guilt to raise funds like those random Filipina Charity beggars you get around town, then it would feel scammy. But it doesn't seem like that at the moment.


Edit: nm. Looks like there's a better answer below

[Xu.Vi]

Better still, remember Kony 2012? Of course that was a total scam, but I'm still hesitant to crowdfund something that may not need funding. I haven't seen anything here yet to show she'll be paying for anything out of pocket so fundraising for bills she doesn't have seems a bit silly. I'd be more likely to donate to "she's stuck with a $xx bill" vs "she might have bills".


There's actually a description in the webpage of where the proceeds will likely be going to. To quote: What will the funds be used for?

The funds will be used for medical and non-medical expenses incurred during Ovey's recovery process. It will also be used to offset general living expenses. In serious injuries, the recovery can be long and involve multiple expenses that are not covered by MSP. Examples include wheelchair, medicine, physiotherapy, and home care (when patients are not able to care for themselves).

Won't these expenses be covered?

It is difficult to say what will or will not be covered, and when any settlement(s) would be finalized. Ovey was a pedestrian in a hit-and-run accident, which involved a car and a driver that has not yet been identified. Settlements typically take time and do not help with short-term expenses incurred by the victim and their family.

Keep in mind, this isn't a plea from Ovey's family. Ovey's FRIENDS had put this together for her family to hopefully minimize financial burden.

[meme405]

Just out of curiosity, and nothing facetious, at all meant by this.

What kind of condition is she in?

I mean I know she was put in an induced coma (supposedly). I mean the only thing I see in the media is that she was in critical condition.

There are people talking about like quadriplegia and brain damage. I just don't really know where people are getting this information. Not saying its not true, just wondering if there is a source...

[Ch28]

Just out of curiosity, and nothing facetious, at all meant by this.

What kind of condition is she in?

I mean I know she was put in an induced coma (supposedly). I mean the only thing I see in the media is that she was in critical condition.

There are people talking about like quadriplegia and brain damage. I just don't really know where people are getting this information. Not saying its not true, just wondering if there is a source...

5 hours ago

Thank you to friends who have respected the doctors' wishes by not visiting the hospital. We need your help in not calling the hospital to ask for Ovey's status. This interrupts the medical professionals' care for Ovey. Ovey's status is unchanged but stable and is still not able to see visitors.

Our family would also like to thank everyone for all the support, love, and kind words.

Clara Yeung

[Amuse]

the answer is obvious.

you would call the cops and fold w the civic and try to get a licence plate.

what are u gonna do to help the victim? you a doctor? you a paramedic? you have the proper equipment? paramedics are coming anyway. but the civic is getting away every second you hesitate to follow it.

the damage has already been done, nothing you can do to lessen the physical harm done unless they were literally bleeding out and you knew how to stop the blood.
So what if the black civic driver runs multiple red lights? Will you run those reds too?

[dvst8]

Better still, remember Kony 2012? Of course that was a total scam, but I'm still hesitant to crowdfund something that may not need funding. I haven't seen anything here yet to show she'll be paying for anything out of pocket so fundraising for bills she doesn't have seems a bit silly. I'd be more likely to donate to "she's stuck with a $xx bill" vs "she might have bills".


............

[tiger_handheld]

That's the power of media. I don't think a lot of people know her personally. Most likely is friends of friends knows her.

I don't understand why this part is so hard for some of you people to understand.

to answer my own question.

she was a publicist and VP of a tech startup. chances are because of what she did, she had a lot of networks/connections.

to the folks that say, do you need to know someone to help. Of course you don't. BUT you are more willing to help if you have at least heard of their name before multiplied by the publicity the story receives.

[subordinate]

A VP and Publicist...sounds like she made good coin.

[godwin]

The doctors and nurses won't fully know until the patient is awake and off sedation. At this point it is all conjecture.

Induced coma gives the body's autonomic (ie more basic functions) to heal the body without interference.

As for funding, I assume it is to pay immediate bills like cables, rent etc while she is off work.


I mean I know she was put in an induced coma (supposedly). I mean the only thing I see in the media is that she was in critical condition.

[Terwg]

the brain is in a closed system (the skull). When we fall, there is bruising/swelling. The drug induced coma is to allow the swelling in the brain to reside as well as giving the doctors time to repair damaged blood vessels for example.

The words "critical" and stable are generic terms which doctors don't use themselves and is for the purposes of media. If the doctors give the specific conditions, it would be pages and pages of facts as well as patient confidentiality which doesn't allow the doctors to give details without the family's consent.

If one is able to see the surveillance videos, they can get an approximate speed of the impact (time of video with displacement of the car physics problem). This info could be compared to past similar collision cases (e.g. court filings) and can indirectly deduce her "condition" into the educated guess category versus speculation.

[Harvey Specter]

So should we crowd fund all victims of hit and runs or other accidents?

[radioman]

^sigh.....

[godwin]

I think the question should be families of all victims or hit and runs or other accidents start crowd fund campaigns?

Some people see a need and some people don't. I think it is best for the families / victims decide for themselves.. you don't have to contribute if you don't want to.

So should we crowd fund all victims of hit and runs or other accidents?

[Terwg]

Ovey's case from a legal perspective is quite complex. She is an entrepreneur and is both active in the community as well as the start up world. The grey area is that she has not reached her full potential yet and the start ups she joined is just beginning to grow and so the stock options she has is not worth very much. If a med student is injured the insurance adjuster can project the student's lost wages she should have earned based on her career path and has evidence from past court cases/rulings to back up claims for both the defendant and the plaintiff. An entrepreneur or people who join start ups have an uncertainty future in that the start up could liquidate or could be the next Facebook/Amazon/Snapchat or could be a company in between. No one case is similar and past court rulings might not help due to the uncertainty. When wages are projected into the future on potential earnings, there is so much uncertainty. If this case goes to court with ICBC if both sides could not reach a viable settlement, it would be a long one in that lawyers from both sides have to argue their case to get the minimum settlement for ICBC and the maximum settlement for the injured.

[twitchyzero]

:fulloffuck:

the last few pages of this thread can be summed up in one sentence:

No one is forcing you to donate.

[noclue]

To be honest I was kinda annoyed why she needs donations for her medical expenses since we as taxpayers technically did contribute for her medical costs. A country that has universal health care shouldn't really have to get donations like the USA IMO. But Ronin explained the reasons why which is compelling but I don't agree cause ICBC will provide compensation eventually. In the end it's up to you if you sympathize and wish to help her in this tragic case.

PS she'll never get lost wages like a med school student from ICBC. Entrepreneur success rates are too low

[Harvey Specter]

To be honest I was kinda annoyed why she needs donations for her medical expenses since we as taxpayers technically did contribute for her medical costs. A country that has universal health care shouldn't really have to get donations like the USA IMO. But Ronin explained the reasons why which is compelling but I don't agree cause ICBC will provide compensation eventually. In the end it's up to you if you sympathize and wish to help her in this tragic case.

PS she'll never get lost wages like a med school student from ICBC. Entrepreneur success rates are too low

+1.

[4444]

A VP and Publicist...sounds like she made good coin.

a VP of a start up = likely no actual income (bc the start up has no income) and publicist, that could mean anything in this day and age.

what a dumb comment - you must be so impressed by all these VP of bit.co.ly or lit.whatever.letters, all the BS no chance, no revenue start ups that splatter the market in this time of tech bubble. All these VP's are mostly 20 somethings that live in their parents' basements.

perhaps it will turn into something, chances are 95% of them won't. great thing about an online business, costs very little to establish.

[underscore]

There's actually a description in the webpage of where the proceeds will likely be going to. To quote:

Keep in mind, this isn't a plea from Ovey's family. Ovey's FRIENDS had put this together for her family to hopefully minimize financial burden.

Okay, so they confirmed that this is all based on expenses she may or may not incur. Normally people wait until it's known that she'll be facing things not covered by insurance etc but whatever.

But if this is for her friends/family to help her out that begs the question, is it appropriate to point this to strangers (ie post it on RS)?

[Hondaracer]

get a head injury and a new C class benz in return

[Gumby]

get a head injury and a new C class benz in return
:rukidding:

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen you post. And you post some stupid shit!

[Noir]

:rukidding:

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen you post. And you post some stupid shit!

He thinks apathy makes him macho.

A girl is fighting for her life and all he can focus on is the $$$ she's getting. Not that he'll admit it but i don't know what he's jelly for. I don't know anyone on this board that would trade places with Ovey just for a Mercedes C-class; So i highly doubt Ovey, if she comes around will be thinking the same.

[Ronin]

Don't be jelly that people like her more than you.

[Hondaracer]

Lol..oh god

When I'm sitting out on a dock with a beer in my hand my only thought is that I wish I had more E-friends.

[Hondaracer]

He thinks apathy makes him macho.

A girl is fighting for her life and all he can focus on is the $$$ she's getting. Not that he'll admit it but i don't know what he's jelly for. I don't know anyone on this board that would trade places with Ovey just for a Mercedes C-class; So i highly doubt Ovey, if she comes around will be thinking the same.

lol not Jelly, just kind of highlighting points others have made here re: actually "needing" the money.

Every bit obviously helps and no way in hell anyone is trading X amount for a life altering brain injury. I think it's just a statement to the sad state of this world when being popular on social media can benefit someone like this, where as people who are constantly in need, or groups which constantly need funds to operate for beneficial causes don't get a sniff.

As well, always find it funny how people get their panties in a knot over a little poke like that.. if I had said in in person around people it would be blown off as "hah what an asshole" but when people read it to themselves and stew on it, it gets to ya lol..

Just because people "know, or "know of" someone its SRS business but then a click away people are "lolling" at trucks driving over peoples heads in the NSFW forum

ohhhh dis world

[Eff-1]

So should we crowd fund all victims of hit and runs or other accidents?

Says the guy who drives Bentleys and 7-series and everything else like it's NBD.

:failed:

[Eff-1]

Following my accident less than two years ago, my personal expenses to date are $12,659 for treatments, prescriptions, etc and counting. Yes ICBC covers all that but that's after negotiating, bureaucracy, court, etc.

As a victim ICBC will award you a settlement as well for pain and suffering, but it's correlated to the % of liabilty they find you. If you're found to be partially or completely at fault, it reduces or eliminates your settlement. Let's say you were hit by a drunk driver but you were jaywalking, there goes a lot of your settlement. Another example is if you were in a crash that 100% wasn't your fault, but you weren't wearing a seatbelt, your settlement will be impacted because you were partly responsible for the severity your injury.

Point is, I'm pretty confident the family will need this money along the way and that's why friends are reaching out to support.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

well, if she wakes up and she makes a full recovery, hopefully she'll just donate the money or give the money back.

if she wakes up, and she's all fucked up, i'm 100% certain the money wont cover personal medical or "new way of life" related expenses over the course of her life.

lol, you guys can bitch if she wakes up fine and keeps the money. I would support your cause then, but as of now, I'm pretty sure she'll need the money.

[Harvey Specter]

Says the guy who drives Bentleys and 7-series and everything else like it's NBD.

:failed:

Lol, you got what I was saying completely twisted.

[Ch28]

If you met her in real life then you'd know she'd be the first one to donate all of the proceeds to charity if she could.

[you!]

almost 6 pages and ppl here who actually knows what happened still won't dare to say whether she was jaywalking/texting/drunk/etc or just normal pedestrian

guessing then that it's safe to assume that she is a somewhat at fault for what happened

[4444]

Wow, so much of this conversation is ignoring the fact that a young woman is lying in a medically induced coma, fighting for what was her life.

Can we just put the squabbles to bed and have some respect. Imagine of she read this page as either a fully recovered person, or in a potentially retarded state... Let's consider the human tragedy that has occurred here and that could easily happen to all of our mums, sisters, or girlfriends

[sonick]

almost 6 pages and ppl here who actually knows what happened still won't dare to say whether she was jaywalking/texting/drunk/etc or just normal pedestrian

:rukidding: Cynical much?

It's nothing to do with 'daring to say' what happened; nothing has been announced publicly on Facebook, in media, or otherwise.

Unless one of us is a close family member in the know, or has access to that security camera, or are one of the witnesses who they say were at the scene of the accident, none of us who know Ovey have been made aware of what actually happened.

[FerrariEnzo]

Less bitch'in on here...

Please update any info, like if the bastard was caught or any more info on the black civic...

[Eff-1]

almost 6 pages and ppl here who actually knows what happened still won't dare to say whether she was jaywalking/texting/drunk/etc or just normal pedestrian

guessing then that it's safe to assume that she is a somewhat at fault for what happened

Because maybe nobody knows. We weren't there. Just like you weren't. Ever think of that?

[underscore]

Following my accident less than two years ago, my personal expenses to date are $12,659 for treatments, prescriptions, etc and counting. Yes ICBC covers all that but that's after negotiating, bureaucracy, court, etc.

As a victim ICBC will award you a settlement as well for pain and suffering, but it's correlated to the % of liabilty they find you. If you're found to be partially or completely at fault, it reduces or eliminates your settlement. Let's say you were hit by a drunk driver but you were jaywalking, there goes a lot of your settlement. Another example is if you were in a crash that 100% wasn't your fault, but you weren't wearing a seatbelt, your settlement will be impacted because you were partly responsible for the severity your injury.

Point is, I'm pretty confident the family will need this money along the way and that's why friends are reaching out to support.

If you're found partly at fault you should be the one shelling out because you were the one who fucked up.

[Majestic12]

If you're found partly at fault you should be the one shelling out because you were the one who fucked up.

That's essentially what happens. You "shell out" by not getting whatever award you would have otherwise.

So if your award would've been 100k, and you were 30% at fault, you only get 70k. It's an overly-simplistic example, but that's generally how it is.

[meme405]

Following my accident less than two years ago, my personal expenses to date are $12,659 for treatments, prescriptions, etc and counting. Yes ICBC covers all that but that's after negotiating, bureaucracy, court, etc.

Do you pay into any sort of MSP? or are you just not going through your MSP for costs because you weren't deemed at fault?

I broke both my hands last year, among a few other hurt parts of my body, the breaks were severe as 2 of my metacarpals were pointing out of my left hand. I needed two surgeries and my left hand is still fucked up slightly. Went to physio for 7 odd months, and rehabilitation since my left hand was completely immobilized for almost 2 months.

Excluding my missed wages for not being able to go to work for over a month, my total expenses incurred was like a grand total of maybe $300. Granted without my MSP from work, that would be notably higher.

I also do still need to go in for further X-rays, and possibly another surgery to correct what's still a little messed up in my hand.

My point is accidents, even really bad ones don't cost that much in terms of immediate treatment, sure if you don't have MSP physio can be expensive, but that's the risk you run when you chose not to pay into some program. Kinda your own undoing...

Now if you are left with life altering injuries, or disabilities, now we are talking serious life long expenses.

I really think everyone should just be praying for the best for Ovey, instead of looking at this like shes going to be wheel chair bound for life. Have some optimism, she is going to wake up, and be fine...

[NKC ONE]

Meet this girl once a long long time ago. Very energetic and lively. I wish you a speedy recover.


So my question is, why was she at that location at that time and alone? Doesn't sound like what a typical girl would do. The Sherlock in me thinks there's a lot more to this.

[Terwg]

Meet this girl once a long long time ago. Very energetic and lively. I wish you a speedy recover.


So my question is, why was she at that location at that time and alone? Doesn't sound like what a typical girl would do. The Sherlock in me thinks there's a lot more to this.

No one knows unless either her or the people she was with at that hour tells us which they probably would not though an explanation might have to be given if this case goes to court.

Ovey is very social and gets invited to lots of events. It could be a late night event with an after party with friends that took her that late. Since she was into Start ups, it could be working hard expanding the business and meeting with others to complete certain milestones. It could that she went on a date and it was such a great experience that it was extended way past midnight since they connected so well. We really don't know what she was doing at that hour. Things could range from the obvious that young adults do to work responsibilities to living a double life.

[subordinate]

Edit, I'm an idiot, nvm

[Eff-1]

Do you pay into any sort of MSP? or are you just not going through your MSP for costs because you weren't deemed at fault?

I broke both my hands last year, among a few other hurt parts of my body, the breaks were severe as 2 of my metacarpals were pointing out of my left hand. I needed two surgeries and my left hand is still fucked up slightly. Went to physio for 7 odd months, and rehabilitation since my left hand was completely immobilized for almost 2 months.

Excluding my missed wages for not being able to go to work for over a month, my total expenses incurred was like a grand total of maybe $300. Granted without my MSP from work, that would be notably higher.

I also do still need to go in for further X-rays, and possibly another surgery to correct what's still a little messed up in my hand.

...

Let's make sure we are talking about the same things. MSP is the govt health care plan. We all have to pay a monthly premium of $70 to be part of it. Personally I think it's a tax grab but I digress. Some employers will cover the MSP monthly premium for you as part of a benefits package. MSP only covers basic doctor visits and hospital treatments. That's it.

MSP doesn't cover prescriptions, optometrists, annual check ups, .physio, chiro, dentists, crutches, wheelchairs, and a lot of other stuff you might need. If you have a benefits plan from work, or you pay for one, then it might cover some or all of these things.

If you are in a car accident and it's not your fault, you can claim back all those expenses that MSP didn't cover from icbc. (Even you were at fault, you can get icbc to pay but you are entitled to much less). Same if you are injured on the job. Then any medical expenses are passed on to work safe. Even your benefits plan at work won't cover your expenses if you indicate they are from an accident. They will make icbc pay.

So in your case I'm not sure who paid for your physio and rehab but I bet it definitely wasn't MSP.

I think it's important to clear up any misconceptions for people who don't understand why we fundraise for ovey because they think taxes already pay for everything she will need to help recover. They don't unfortunately.

[godwin]

You are a welder, if you get injured at work and your employer paid into Worksafe BC. Worksafe BC will cover the cost you mentioned, so you can get back to work ASAP (their mandate, they will even bump you through over people on the wait list if they know they can get you back to work). If you fall off your own roof while retrieving a wayward frisbee, then you will have to pay for the rehab yourself.

It seems you don't really know how the healthcare system work and who are the actors involved or their roles.

Your experience is non sequitur in the victim's scenario, because most startup doesn't qualify for Worksafe. Even if they are covered, Worksafe doesn't cover being hit by a car when you are on the way home.

The thing is once you have been injured, you still need to pay basic things like phones, rent, etc etc.. it is not like if you are injured, you are off the hook to pay any outstanding bills. I think the victim's friends is trying to cover that aspect and other out of pocket expenses.



Do you pay into any sort of MSP? or are you just not going through your MSP for costs because you weren't deemed at fault?

I broke both my hands last year, among a few other hurt parts of my body, the breaks were severe as 2 of my metacarpals were pointing out of my left hand. I needed two surgeries and my left hand is still fucked up slightly. Went to physio for 7 odd months, and rehabilitation since my left hand was completely immobilized for almost 2 months.

Excluding my missed wages for not being able to go to work for over a month, my total expenses incurred was like a grand total of maybe $300. Granted without my MSP from work, that would be notably higher.

I also do still need to go in for further X-rays, and possibly another surgery to correct what's still a little messed up in my hand.

My point is accidents, even really bad ones don't cost that much in terms of immediate treatment, sure if you don't have MSP physio can be expensive, but that's the risk you run when you chose not to pay into some program. Kinda your own undoing...

Now if you are left with life altering injuries, or disabilities, now we are talking serious life long expenses.

I really think everyone should just be praying for the best for Ovey, instead of looking at this like shes going to be wheel chair bound for life. Have some optimism, she is going to wake up, and be fine...

[Terwg]

MSP is the basic BC government health plan that everyone has to buy into. If you are low income, it is at a reduced rate or even free. MSP only covers the basic doctor visits and treatments. This means that it might be the cheapest treatment versus the best (and often most expensive) treatment that money can buy in the US privately owned hospitals. We don't get to choose the best doctors in that field and is often put on a long waitlist for a specialist in that field.

Medical equipment rentals (wheelchairs, hospital beds, clutches) are covered by the red cross in the short term (e.g. less than 3 months) or the government long term rental system and there is often a waitlist and the equipment is old.

Prescriptions, physio, chiro, etc is covered by the insurance plan that you buy into either as a student (the student plan) or the various work plans. Since Ovey is in a startup and she is in her mid 20s, the plan she most likely bought into is the basic plan with a cap on prescriptions per year as well as limited other benefits with a % deductible that one pays out of pocket (ranges from 50% on the low end to 70% on student plans to 80% on most work plans).

Fundraising for Ovey serves many purposes. She might need very specialized treatment that can only be found in the US and need to pay out of pocket. There is long term rehabilitation assistance (e.g. someone to help around the home), basic necessities that she still has to pay while in the hospital (rent, phone, bc hydro, etc).

The fundraising also serves the purpose of building Ovey's character and her potential earnings in the future and concern for her from the community would play a vital part in getting a settlement from ICBC either directly or through the court system. The lawyers have to paint a picture of what Ovey is like before the accident and what her future would have been versus what her life is like after the accident and this alternate future. The deviation between the two future scenarios is the amount in monetary terms that Ovey's lawyer would have to argue for her.


2013 BCSC 1545 Payne v. Miles (http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/13/15/2013BCSC1545.htm)

The above link is a past court case from a car accident and is approximately the steps that have to take place and the categories where compensation is appropriate. Often these cases occur years after the accident after recovery and assessment by doctors when recovery has plateaued. People from friends, past employers, and doctors who provided medical testimony as well as other people the person interacted provided evidence to build the person's before and after image.

Let's make sure we are talking about the same things. MSP is the govt health care plan. We all have to pay a monthly premium of $70 to be part of it. Personally I think it's a tax grab but I digress. Some employers will cover the MSP monthly premium for you as part of a benefits package. MSP only covers basic doctor visits and hospital treatments. That's it.

MSP doesn't cover prescriptions, optometrists, annual check ups, .physio, chiro, dentists, crutches, wheelchairs, and a lot of other stuff you might need. If you have a benefits plan from work, or you pay for one, then it might cover some or all of these things.

If you are in a car accident and it's not your fault, you can claim back all those expenses that MSP didn't cover from icbc. (Even you were at fault, you can get icbc to pay but you are entitled to much less). Same if you are injured on the job. Then any medical expenses are passed on to work safe. Even your benefits plan at work won't cover your expenses if you indicate they are from an accident. They will make icbc pay.

So in your case I'm not sure who paid for your physio and rehab but I bet it definitely wasn't MSP.

I think it's important to clear up any misconceptions for people who don't understand why we fundraise for ovey because they think taxes already pay for everything she will need to help recover. They don't unfortunately.

[meme405]

You are a welder, if you get injured at work and your employer paid into Worksafe BC. Worksafe BC will cover the cost you mentioned, so you can get back to work ASAP (their mandate, they will even bump you through over people on the wait list if they know they can get you back to work). If you fall off your own roof while retrieving a wayward frisbee, then you will have to pay for the rehab yourself.

It seems you don't really know how the healthcare system work and who are the actors involved or their roles.

Your experience is non sequitur in the victim's scenario, because most startup doesn't qualify for Worksafe. Even if they are covered, Worksafe doesn't cover being hit by a car when you are on the way home.

The thing is once you have been injured, you still need to pay basic things like phones, rent, etc etc.. it is not like if you are injured, you are off the hook to pay any outstanding bills. I think the victim's friends is trying to cover that aspect and other out of pocket expenses.



Sorry MSP was wrong.

I meant something like Industrial Alliance:

Industrial Alliance, Insurance and Financial Services (http://www.inalco.com/english/index.jsp)

The company and you split the costs and they in turn pay for a LARGE portion of your prescription, physio, glasses, they also pay dental and stuff.

Many people even those, who work for companie which don't provide this service seek out a company and pay it themselves because it is a way of protecting your ass should you be injured.

For the record, I was not injured in the workplace, I fell mountain biking at whistler.

[Ronin]

People have raised more money for potato salad.

Any time an injury is severe enough that you have to remain in hospital, there will be costs one way or another.

[radioman]

Standalone disability plan to cover your lost wages AND an individual health & dental plan.

Not sure why you would link to the home page of an insurance company and expect people to know what you are referring to.

[Ch28]

UPDATE:
We have raised over $36,000 for Ovey - THANK YOU! We haven't been able to respond to every comment and message but know that we have read all of them - thank you for the encouragement and kind words you've sent to us. It has been a rough week and a half for us all but we are grateful for the support.

Ovey's condition has improved and she is now out of the medically induced coma, but she remains in ICU. We will continue to add news on Ovey's condition as we hear, and will be using this page for updates - please visit this page for news as it's been difficult for us to respond to each individual that contacts us.

[svelt]

I've been critically injured in a vehicle accident over 10 years ago through no fault of my own before and ICBC was generous with the payout. It allowed me to buy a $25,000 car outright at the age of 18 and pay for all of my undergraduate and graduate schooling with no parental help or student loans. The money has evaporated now but it made the next 10 years of my life easier than it could have been.

I'd never be so naive to think that the payout is ever worth the trauma and suffering incurred through rehabilitation from a serious accident. There are years and experiences you won't be able to get back. That said, ICBC can be worked - I've dealt with them on a number of occasions and have always felt the settlements, while not necessarily equal to the suffering, are fair.

I know many here on RS have different experiences and opinions, but I don't doubt that if Ovey has good, solid legal counsel she will be able to translate her lost wages, costs, opportunities and hardships into a $ settlement that we would find to be balanced and adequate. I do not think donating money if you do not know her is *necessary* in the long run because I believe ICBC will eventually dole out to her plenty (regardless of whether the civic driver is found), but I do not question anyone's charitable choices. Maybe her family needs the money in the short term?

I've met Ovey once. Nice a pleasant girl and a very unfortunate incident to happen to such a bubbly and positive person. I sense a bit of latent jealousy from the responses here and from a number of others that have commented on this incident. No one set up a crowdfunding for me but that's probably because I didn't put the energy and effort into making a lot of friends and connections at the time that would warrant it. My only reservation that prevents me from donating is that I'm pretty sure ICBC will give her more than enough to cover her needs given my own experience, so I will hold off until I know more about how serious and long-term her injuries are, and how her quality of life going forward will be diminished.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I've been critically injured in a vehicle accident over 10 years ago through no fault of my own before and ICBC was generous with the payout. It allowed me to buy a $25,000 car outright at the age of 18 and pay for all of my undergraduate and graduate schooling with no parental help or student loans. The money has evaporated now but it made the next 10 years of my life easier than it could have been.

I'd never be so naive to think that the payout is ever worth the trauma and suffering incurred through rehabilitation from a serious accident. There are years and experiences you won't be able to get back. That said, ICBC can be worked - I've dealt with them on a number of occasions and have always felt the settlements, while not necessarily equal to the suffering, are fair.

I know many here on RS have different experiences and opinions, but I don't doubt that if Ovey has good, solid legal counsel she will be able to translate her lost wages, costs, opportunities and hardships into a $ settlement that we would find to be balanced and adequate. I do not think donating money if you do not know her is *necessary* in the long run because I believe ICBC will eventually dole out to her plenty (regardless of whether the civic driver is found), but I do not question anyone's charitable choices. Maybe her family needs the money in the short term?

I've met Ovey once. Nice a pleasant girl and a very unfortunate incident to happen to such a bubbly and positive person. I sense a bit of latent jealousy from the responses here and from a number of others that have commented on this incident. No one set up a crowdfunding for me but that's probably because I didn't put the energy and effort into making a lot of friends and connections at the time that would warrant it. My only reservation that prevents me from donating is that I'm pretty sure ICBC will give her more than enough to cover her needs given my own experience, so I will hold off until I know more about how serious and long-term her injuries are, and how her quality of life going forward will be diminished.

Doubt they will offer her much in terms on lost wage. She is a president of a start up with really no profit or asset or revenue. So basically, ICBC won't or provide very little in terms of wage lost....... Maybe that's why the are raising funds for her. in case she can't run the company anymore and have no job to support herself in the future.

[Majestic12]

Since it was a hit and run, the most ICBC can pay out is $200k -- and that's to account for a lot of stuff, including the "pain and suffering" damages, lost wages (past loss and future loss) and the cost of her future care too.

$200k isn't much if the injuries are long term and severe.

source: i is lawyer.

[Jassanova]

Since it was a hit and run, the most ICBC can pay out is $200k -- and that's to account for a lot of stuff, including the "pain and suffering" damages, lost wages (past loss and future loss) and the cost of her future care too.

$200k isn't much if the injuries are long term and severe.

source: i is lawyer.

Plus 150K in Part 7 benefits and TTDs.

She also might qualify for UMP.

[nah]

Since it was a hit and run, the most ICBC can pay out is $200k -- and that's to account for a lot of stuff, including the "pain and suffering" damages, lost wages (past loss and future loss) and the cost of her future care too.

$200k isn't much if the injuries are long term and severe.

source: i is lawyer.

Let's hope they catch the person then, so it's not considered a hit and run.

[Terwg]

Let's hope they catch the person then, so it's not considered a hit and run.

It is easier said than done. 2 weeks has already passed which means that it is very likely that the car has been repaired. The police has to find the car, and prove that the owner of the car is the actual person in the car. It is a very difficult case to prove. A large amount of resources would have to be poured into finding the driver. Without critical leads that the police can follow, there isn't much they can do. The driver is unlikely to turn himself/herself in because the liability from this case would be in the 7 figures. Most likely, the person's insurance is not enough to cover it and the person would have to spend their life paying off this debt liability to Ovey.

[R. Mutt]

Any update on this? Has the driver been found? How is Ovey's recovery thus far?

[CRS]

Any update on this? Has the driver been found? How is Ovey's recovery thus far?

Looks like she's doing much better!

https://twitter.com/oveyyeung

No update on driver.

[mb_]

Good to see she's doing well. Hope the driver is found!

[Ch28]

Any update on this? Has the driver been found? How is Ovey's recovery thus far?

She left rehab earlier today and is in great spirits and looks/sounds like she'll make a full recovery. She even posted a photo of dinner she cooked tonight haha

Unfortunately, the driver is still at large