[highfive]

I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this topic when we have one in the Palestine and Israel.

Apparently another reporter has been beheaded by ISIS.

ISIS Beheads American Captive, Monitoring Group Says (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101964233)

I was reading up on how ISIS was formed, it's pretty crazy how they slowly and build an area where they claim they are their own state now.

[4444]

after the cluster fuck that was the israel and palestine thread, we don't need more of this shit.

we need NATO, the UN, whomever to come together agree that this shit isn't right on this earth, and have them perform an arse fucking of the IS members.

this is not about US vs. IS (they hate all westerners, especially Europeans), it's not about religion. it's about a bunch of fucktards using religion as a tool to control people, money, and power.

the west needs to end this, but only once the significant majority of all world members of whichever body polices international issues agree that this needs to end.

[murd0c]

I'm kinda shocked CiC didn't start this thread...

[Mr.HappySilp]

The US isn't going to send in ground troops. Also I think the US have more interested in the conflict between Russia and ukraine. US simply can't let Russia take over ukraine due to the military advantages it gives to Russia.

[multicartual]

Jennifer Lawrence naked!!!

[radioman]

I just bought an ISIS exhaust for my car. FUCK!!!!

[Mr.HappySilp]

Jennifer Lawrence naked!!!

Wish there were more leaks......

[Manic!]

Did someone say ISIS?

https://mlpchan.net/oat/src/1408754117596.jpg

[multicartual]

Bieber was arrested again


This whole ISIS shit is so not relevant to my decadent western lifestyle

[multicartual]

Any of you guys downvoting me:


Why should this concern me?


1. I will never have to fight them
2. There will never be a terrorist attack in Vancouver
3. This is like reality TV and the people beheaded/beheading people are like TV stars


Life is one giant form of entertainment. I can't wait for the first movie to be made about Delta Force or Seal Team 6 popping back some keffiyehs while ISIS dorks scream "allah snackbar!!!"


Again, this shit is dark entertainment that will never affect us.


Beyonce will continue to win awards
Bieber will get another million followers
Housing prices in Vancouver will go up another 10% this year
Big tits and cold beer will still put a smile on my face

0 concern, nothing to see here

[TOS'd]

lol, downvoting.

[TOPEC]

someone goes on reddit too much

[flagella]

Any of you guys downvoting me:


Why should this concern me?


1. I will never have to fight them
2. There will never be a terrorist attack in Vancouver
3. This is like reality TV and the people beheaded/beheading people are like TV stars


Life is one giant form of entertainment. I can't wait for the first movie to be made about Delta Force or Seal Team 6 popping back some keffiyehs while ISIS dorks scream "allah snackbar!!!"


Again, this shit is dark entertainment that will never affect us.


Beyonce will continue to win awards
Bieber will get another million followers
Housing prices in Vancouver will go up another 10% this year
Big tits and cold beer will still put a smile on my face

0 concern, nothing to see here

shut up noob

[fT-z33wor]

Life is one giant form of entertainment. I can't wait for the first movie to be made about Delta Force or Seal Team 6 popping back some keffiyehs while ISIS dorks scream "allah snackbar!!!"



http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab150/1fuzzydunlop1/Allahhusnackbar.jpg

[multicartual]

The only way the world will start to really pay attention to ISIS is if they start beheading women and children


When men die nobody really cares because men are 100% expendable


If ISIS started beheading women can you imagine the outrage it would spawn... holy fuck

[MG1]

Any of you guys downvoting me:


Why should this concern me?

0 concern, nothing to see here


What if it affects the availability/supply of super hot Russian, Romanian, Czech pornstars? Err......... I mean actresses and supermodels.

[multicartual]

What if it affects the availability of super hot Russian, Romanian, Czech pornstars? Err......... I mean actresses and supermodels.

Every 24 hours new 18 year old runaways are getting off a bus stop in Las Vegas looking to sell access to their vaginas for cash


The only thing we might miss out on is inbred looking Polish guys pounding butterfaced Czech drug addicts in the ass while their eyes roll back

[MG1]

I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this topic when we have one in the Palestine and Israel.

Apparently another reporter has been beheaded by ISIS.

ISIS Beheads American Captive, Monitoring Group Says (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101964233)

I was reading up on how ISIS was formed, it's pretty crazy how they slowly and build an area where they claim they are their own state now.

This is Revscene. Need I say more?

All kidding aside, this is very significant topic worthy of its own discussion. This terrorist group is so evasive and what's more scary is there doesn't seem to be a leader to speak of. The evolution of evil.

[MG1]

Every 24 hours new 18 year old runaways are getting off a bus stop in Las Vegas looking to sell access to their vaginas for cash


The only thing we might miss out on is inbred looking Polish guys pounding butterfaced Czech drug addicts in the ass while their eyes roll back

So Euro porn will survive.............. Good to know.

[StylinRed]

Any of you guys downvoting me:


Why should this concern me?


1. I will never have to fight them
2. There will never be a terrorist attack in Vancouver
3. This is like reality TV and the people beheaded/beheading people are like TV stars


Life is one giant form of entertainment. I can't wait for the first movie to be made about Delta Force or Seal Team 6 popping back some keffiyehs while ISIS dorks scream "allah snackbar!!!"


Again, this shit is dark entertainment that will never affect us.


Beyonce will continue to win awards
Bieber will get another million followers
Housing prices in Vancouver will go up another 10% this year
Big tits and cold beer will still put a smile on my face

0 concern, nothing to see here



Well actually the concern with ISIS is that they have a larger than expected makeup of foreign fighters from the UK/US/Canada etc and those members have come out to say that they're going to attack their respective home countries

So it's a major concern right now (more so in the UK) I wouldn't be surprised if one or some of these nuts came back and tried to do something

And they're not just a bunch of villagers with no skills & training

It was noted on CNN that ISIS is well trained too, that they fight with US Army Ranger tactics CNN Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2014/08/27/tsr-dnt-todd-isis-growing-stronger-tactics.cnn&video_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F)
So perhaps they were even getting training by the US to fight Assad before splintering off to their own crazy cause. As we've seen with Afghanistan/Iraq Army troops which left the army after training to join the opposition

The UN sounds like it wants to go in and have ISIS taken out but as always countries don't really want to get involved

The US wasn't so concerned with ISIS originally because they were a part of the Syrian Rebels bringing down Assad and they were attacking Iranian support fighters coming through Iraq to assist the Assad regime, it wasn't until ISIS got too crazy that the US began some drone strikes

[multicartual]

Well actually the concern with ISIS is that they have a larger than expected makeup of foreign fighters from the UK/US/Canada etc and those members have come out to say that they're going to attack their respective home countries


Oh well, hope our spies are good enough at finding the plots before they occur!


In the meantime, titties and beer


Seriously no sense even worrying about shit none of us have any control over


http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/d/dr-strangelove-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb-1964-_143073-fli_1377010278.jpg

[vafanculo]

The only way the world will start to really pay attention to ISIS is if they start beheading women and children


When men die nobody really cares because men are 100% expendable


If ISIS started beheading women can you imagine the outrage it would spawn... holy fuck

They have. Women have been made slaves to IS members. Do a google image search for ISIS executions, you will see plenty of beheaded children.

Some nut job in Chicago led police on a chase, and he had the Isis flag waving from the car. Isis already tweeted pictures standing in front of the white house, and a Chicago landmark.

Interested to see how this plays out.

[multicartual]

Women have been made slaves to IS members. Do a google image search for ISIS executions, you will see plenty of beheaded children.

Maybe there's no money to be made stirring up emotions over beheaded children which is why I haven't heard anything about it?

I read a lot of news from many different sources, never heard or seen a peep about this.

BRB going for whiskey then will go do the most morbid google search of my life

[tiger_handheld]

The west needs to pressure the Saudi's to step up their game and assist with ending this bs.

I feel the only way this terrorist crap is going to die is if the rest of the muslim world condemns it. If the saudi's just sit around jacking off with their oil money, ISIS, Al Quida, Taliban, Syrian Thugs, Hamas will continue their ways.

[4444]

The west needs to pressure the Saudi's to step up their game and assist with ending this bs.

I feel the only way this terrorist crap is going to die is if the rest of the muslim world condemns it. If the saudi's just sit around jacking off with their oil money, ISIS, Al Quida, Taliban, Syrian Thugs, Hamas will continue their ways.

i've yet to hear any condemnation from Muslims anywhere of these actions.

i just take it as these people (ISIS, boko harom (or however it's spelt), etc.) just take the koran and misinterpret it, and that islam, like all faiths, is innately good... but if that were the case, where are the rallies for good muslims telling non-muslims that what the crackers are doing is not preaching islam, but rather hatred (and doing so for power and money, the real reason for this)

[Manic!]

i've yet to hear any condemnation from Muslims anywhere of these actions.

i just take it as these people (ISIS, boko harom (or however it's spelt), etc.) just take the koran and misinterpret it, and that islam, like all faiths, is innately good... but if that were the case, where are the rallies for good muslims telling non-muslims that what the crackers are doing is not preaching islam, but rather hatred (and doing so for power and money, the real reason for this)

ISIS 'betraying' Muslims, says Calgary imam before hunger strike - Calgary - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/isis-betraying-muslims-says-calgary-imam-before-hunger-strike-1.2744182)

Isis terror threat: Leading British Muslims issue fatwa condemning terror group - Home News - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-terror-threat-leading-british-muslims-issue-fatwa-condemning-terror-group-9702042.html)

[4444]

ISIS 'betraying' Muslims, says Calgary imam before hunger strike - Calgary - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/isis-betraying-muslims-says-calgary-imam-before-hunger-strike-1.2744182)

Isis terror threat: Leading British Muslims issue fatwa condemning terror group - Home News - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-terror-threat-leading-british-muslims-issue-fatwa-condemning-terror-group-9702042.html)

good, i want these voices heard louder, and on the streets, and those that go over to fight, i want them to be banished from their communities on return.

fuck these animals, they aren't good muslims, and are just making the whole west/muslim hatred even worse (both sides make it worse each day)

[multicartual]

and are just making the whole west/muslim hatred even worse (both sides make it worse each day)

I suspect that globalist western culture pushing atheism, hollywood entertainment, hardcore porn, alternative sexualities, relaxed masculinity, gender equality, etc etc are rallying points for Imams to declare that now is the time to fight for fundamentalist Islam before it is too late.

Before western cultural hegemony is complete

[4444]

I suspect that globalist western culture pushing atheism, hollywood entertainment, hardcore porn, alternative sexualities, relaxed masculinity, gender equality, etc etc are rallying points for Imams to declare that now is the time to fight for fundamentalist Islam before it is too late.

Before western cultural hegemony is complete
western culture is totally going to the dogs. doesn't mean some fucktard can make me follow some hard line religious fundamentalist regime.

i want freedom, even if our freedom isn't truly free anymore, i'm still happy in it.

[finbar]

Burn ISIS Flag Challenge - @BURNISIS - LEBANON - YouTube


The Arab World's Version of the Ice Bucket Challenge: Burning ISIS Flags (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/09/lebanon-isis-flag-burning-challenge)

[Wykydtron]

I have always loved ISIS.
Isis - Holy tears - YouTube

[mr_chin]

The only way the world will start to really pay attention to ISIS is if they start beheading women and children


When men die nobody really cares because men are 100% expendable


If ISIS started beheading women can you imagine the outrage it would spawn... holy fuck

Even then, other countries will not get involved. Gadaffi was raping women and young girls and leaving to die, no country stepped in. No country will waste money on military invasion unless there are other interest like oil and other resources involved.

Well actually the concern with ISIS is that they have a larger than expected makeup of foreign fighters from the UK/US/Canada etc and those members have come out to say that they're going to attack their respective home countries

So it's a major concern right now (more so in the UK) I wouldn't be surprised if one or some of these nuts came back and tried to do something

And they're not just a bunch of villagers with no skills & training

It was noted on CNN that ISIS is well trained too, that they fight with US Army Ranger tactics CNN Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2014/08/27/tsr-dnt-todd-isis-growing-stronger-tactics.cnn&video_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F)
So perhaps they were even getting training by the US to fight Assad before splintering off to their own crazy cause. As we've seen with Afghanistan/Iraq Army troops which left the army after training to join the opposition

The UN sounds like it wants to go in and have ISIS taken out but as always countries don't really want to get involved

The US wasn't so concerned with ISIS originally because they were a part of the Syrian Rebels bringing down Assad and they were attacking Iranian support fighters coming through Iraq to assist the Assad regime, it wasn't until ISIS got too crazy that the US began some drone strikes

Assad hasn't been brought down...

Isis is no different than al qaida. Sources say that Isis IS the former al qaida. When the US took them out, they actually deported them to Pakistan for a while until the heat died down and then they returned.

The US have no interest right now to take out Isis because the US want them to take more Syrian land so that when the US gets involved, they have more grounds to invade. If America wants to take out isis, they can do it no problem. It's much harder for US to go straight on against Syria right now because then they'll be fighting a frontal war against Isis and Syria .

The US doesn't care about civilian lives nor the hostages that were and are going to be beheaded. The big picture is letting Isis fight assad, in hopes of a civil war and then US intervenes and take over.

The US will launch a full blown attack on Isis when Isis executes a terrorist attack on Europe mainly Britain or when Syria becomes fully destabilized.

[StylinRed]

Assad hasn't been brought down...

right, he hasn't been...

[mr_chin]

BBC News - Islamic State crisis: Arab states join US fight (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29166372)

Something tells me the US motive is to take out Assad and not actually defeating ISIS itself.

Mr Obama has asked the US Congress to approve a bill seeking $500m (£308m) to fund an increase in the training and arming of "moderate" Syrian rebels so that they can take the fight to the jihadist group.

Obama refuses to send US ground troops, so he can fund and arm local rebels to take over president Assad, pretty plain and wise. Thus, costing American taxpayer more money. A world war is imminent when Russia decides to interfere.

[hchang]

Another beheading?

Reports: Islamic State releases new beheading video (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/13/reports-islamic-state-releases-video-of-hostage-beheading/15595887/)

[K.Dubz]

https://ia601402.us.archive.org/12/items/MSG_3/msg3.mp4

Skip to 2:03 mark for beheading

[BrRsn]

Documentary - Meeting ISIL (PressTV goes deep inside the terrorist group) - YouTube

not a bad way to waste 2 hours

[wasabisashimi]

Why haven't US send the good guys in yet?
http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/the_expendables_2-wide.jpg

[BrRsn]

Another war like afghanistan where 2/3rds of injuries come from IED's rather than direct contact ... yeaaaah doesn't sound too fun. The US is in a little too deep hence the air assets and no men on the ground

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i wish ISIS attacked the chinese and russians.

they would get shit done. haha...

[Manic!]

isis claims America is afraid to fight them on the ground. Someone should ask isis why they are afraid to fight America in the air.

[tegra7]

UPDATED: FBI knows identity of ISIS executioner, director says - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1583031/islamic-state-fbi-says-identity-of-isis-executioner-confirmed/)

[BrRsn]

isis claims America is afraid to fight them on the ground. Someone should ask isis why they are afraid to fight America in the air.

that's funny ... a bunch of AK toting untrained civilians against marines with javelin missiles and m16's .. yeah not likely. I've fired weapons similar to the AK and good luck hitting anything beyond ~50 meters. It's no wonder they (ISIS/Al Qaeda/Taliban) expect to die going into combat

isis could slow down marines w/ IEDs, landmines, suicide attacks .. but the fact of the matter is the level of superiority America/Canada/Britain possesses on the ground is unmatched by any other force -- most conservative estimates say 2/3rds of all soldiers killed in afghanistan were due to IED strikes rather than conventional combat. There's videos of american soldiers getting hit 2-3 times by Taliban during a firefight and surviving because of their body armor -- it's a level of technological superiority they simply cannot match with AK's and RPG's. America's air power just adds insult to injury IMO

they're determined as hell, I'll give them that though

[Traum]

UPDATED: FBI knows identity of ISIS executioner, director says - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1583031/islamic-state-fbi-says-identity-of-isis-executioner-confirmed/)
I don't understand why the FBI would want to release this information. Wouldn't it be much easier to nab the guy if he doesn't know his cover has already been blown? By releasing even just the fact that the FBI has a good lead of who the guy might be is detrimental to the investigation, and I can't see any benefits out of the move at all.

[Yodamaster]

I don't understand why the FBI would want to release this information. Wouldn't it be much easier to nab the guy if he doesn't know his cover has already been blown? By releasing even just the fact that the FBI has a good lead of who the guy might be is detrimental to the investigation, and I can't see any benefits out of the move at all.


Being aware that a nation with the resources to wipe you from the face of the earth has identified you can expose a variety of weaknesses in one's self. I'd imagine that it's an attempt to dissuade members of ISIS from being willing to show themselves on camera, regardless of measures to protect their identity.

There could be many other reasons for the FBI releasing such specific information, many of which would only make sense to someone within the intelligence community that is dealing with this case directly. What I do know is that the FBI would not issue such a statement without having covered all of their bases first, there is a strategy here, what it is we may never know.

[CP.AR]

i wish ISIS attacked the chinese and russians.

they would get shit done. haha...

Their areas of operation will simply be a crater the next day.

[4444]

Being aware that a nation with the resources to wipe you from the face of the earth has identified you can expose a variety of weaknesses in one's self. I'd imagine that it's an attempt to dissuade members of ISIS from being willing to show themselves on camera, regardless of measures to protect their identity.

There could be many other reasons for the FBI releasing such specific information, many of which would only make sense to someone within the intelligence community that is dealing with this case directly. What I do know is that the FBI would not issue such a statement without having covered all of their bases first, there is a strategy here, what it is we may never know.

exactly this. it says "if you join IS, we will find you, and we're gonna fuck you up" - will potentially dissuade others from joining

[StylinRed]

i was watching news about isis the other day and its said they've amassed over $1bn dollars and are selling $3mn of oil daily to fund their operations from seized oil fields...they have US tanks and artillery and weapons captured from Iraq/Syria plus they have US Army ranger training...so I don't think comparing them with the Taliban would be accurate at all

i'm glad they're finally doing something to stop them and more and more european countries are joining in but wow did they ever fuck up supporting a resistance to Assad and to say that they still want to support the resistance but only "moderates" shows they haven't woken up to what they've spawned

[4444]

i was watching news about isis the other day and its said they've amassed over $1bn dollars and are selling $3mn of oil daily to fund their operations from seized oil fields...they have US tanks and artillery and weapons captured from Iraq/Syria plus they have US Army ranger training...so I don't think comparing them with the Taliban would be accurate at all

i'm glad they're finally doing something to stop them and more and more european countries are joining in but wow did they ever fuck up supporting a resistance to Assad and to say that they still want to support the resistance but only "moderates" shows they haven't woken up to what they've spawned

i'm sure these numbers aren't accurate - they're the media's best estimates, but no doubt they're well funded.

the ranger training is limited to those that got it. some punk of the streets of the UK, France, etc. has no ranger training, yes some of the Iraqi army that have defected got limited training, but the US won't give their intellectual property away that easy.

and the tanks and weapons, that's 60's and 70's technology - shit like humvees, which are great and used by the US still, but nothing that can't be destroyed by the US today and instantly.

they may be slightly better than the taliban (equiped similarily by the russians all those years ago), but nothing compared to the technology the US and western powers have at their disposals.

now, if they left air support which IS had taken over, i'd be slightly concerned, but in the end of the day, the US is the greatest aerial power there is, so there's no competition from a war standpoint, it's just a matter of time and collateral damage.

[StylinRed]

bombing campaigns are really effective against establishments (serbia, iraq) since there are actual targets and this is perhaps where ISIS is like the Taliban in that there aren't really any targets but ISIS seems to be even more mobile and spread out than the Taliban and they blend in better

Hopefully it'll be swift and before anything close to home happens :/

[4444]

Hopefully it'll be swift and before anything else barbaric happens to innocent people anywhere in the world

there you go, fixed for your insensitivity and nimby-ism.

[StylinRed]

that would be impossible though as barbaric things are happening as we speak against innocent civilians by ISIS' hands a realistic hope would be what i wrote...of course all of us wish for the tragedies to end swiftly for those under ISIS' immediate vicinty but again that's not going to be possible (the Brits are expecting the campaign to take at least 1 year)

[mr_chin]

Going back a while ago, ISIS captured US convoy, tanks, and warfare in the middle east. US has stated before that if their weaponry are captured, the first thing they will do is launch an airstrike to take it out. Their priority is to not let their own weapon get into the enemies' hands, yet nothing was done then.

Do people actually believe airstrikes will take out ground troops of a militant group? Are people so naive to believe the US is in Syria for ISIS? The US has used this tactic before in Iraq, and is doing it again in Syria. Fund a terrorist group to destabilize the targeted country, and then move in and use every reasoning to "help". Several Syrian civilians have already been killed because of these airstrikes, and people believe they're there to take out ISIS, lol.

The US doesn't want to use their own troops since there's already a rebellion going on. Kill the enemy with his own knife, arm local rebels to take out the Assad regime, while the US sit back and have a glass of champagne. Now Britain says they have to arm 15,000 rebels in order to take out ISIS. The sole purpose of US going into Syria is for oil and nuclear weapons.

What level of threat is ISIS at the moment to the US? 0. Nothing has happened yet in the good old America. No American troops has been injured or killed by ISIS and the US wants to so call take ISIS out. Not even Assad himself has done anything to threaten or harm the US. Obama sure is rushing into this. At least Bush plot out every reason and sacrificed many troops to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to take out Saddam and Bin Laden. If the US wants to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, they can do so without an difficulty at all. As long as ISIS exists, they have reasons to invade countries in the middle east.

The US is really good at using mainstream media to deceive the public, and all the videos showing ISIS threatening the US that they will hang their flag at the white house, is probably all enacted. The beheading, all of them, doesn't even show the process of the head coming off, doesn't even show blood squirting from their neck, and people are going "OMG, ISIS needs to be stopped".

[multicartual]

The US is really good at using mainstream media to deceive the public, and all the videos showing ISIS threatening the US that they will hang their flag at the white house, is probably all enacted. The beheading, all of them, doesn't even show the process of the head coming off, doesn't even show blood squirting from their neck, and people are going "OMG, ISIS needs to be stopped".


Life is just one giant reality show

[cheeky_scrub]

Did anyone see the Kurds fighting ISIS at the Turkish border this morning on CNN?

They have balls of steel. If there's any group in this mess I have the most faith in, it's the Kurds

[Traum]

Mr. Chin,

I'd have to disagree with a lot of what you've written above.

With 2 American journalists getting publicly beheaded and broadcast around the world, do you expect the US to just stand back and do nothing? The entire Congress, both the Democrats and Republicans, and the general American population are expecting and pressuring Obama to do something. It doesn't need to have anything to do with oil, money, or nuclear weapons. When Americans are publicly killed by "enemies of the state" in this manner, American citizens expects their government to stand up and beat the crap out of whoever it is.

[mikemhg]

I tend to very much agree with Mr Chin's post above.

This whole ISIS scenario just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Something smells stinky about this one; I'm just not buying it. How does the US even know the exact assets that ISIS has in the first place? I've watched countless docs about ISIS, and I still do not understand how they are even operating without the US intentionally allowing them to.

That entire region is under MASSIVE satellite surveillance, how in the world can ISIS be running these Oil Field operations where they are pumping and refining this oil, then selling it on the black market? How is this not easily identified and seen by US surveillance drones and satellites? You would think it would be pretty straightforward to blow those people running these oil fields in ISIS territory right off the face earth, it's not like it would be difficult to identify these sites from the smoke and oil sludge that is generally all over the place of these sites.

It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever, I'm not saying ISIS doesn't exist, but this really does seem like a false flag to me. It's ironic that the American public was so disgusted with the idea of a Syrian war, the administration goes back to the drawing board, and suddenly ISIS is all over the media, and have become this massive threat and reason to enter that region once again. Now we have the perfect excuse to jump into a country that the American public had no taste to do so last year.

Seems very convenient.

[Manic!]

I tend to very much agree with Mr Chin's post above.

This whole ISIS scenario just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Something smells stinky about this one; I'm just not buying it. How does the US even know the exact assets that ISIS has in the first place? I've watched countless docs about ISIS, and I still do not understand how they are even operating without the US intentionally allowing them to.

That entire region is under MASSIVE satellite surveillance, how in the world can ISIS be running these Oil Field operations where they are pumping and refining this oil, then selling it on the black market? How is this not easily identified and seen by US surveillance drones and satellites? You would think it would be pretty straightforward to blow those people running these oil fields in ISIS territory right off the face earth, it's not like it would be difficult to identify these sites from the smoke and oil sludge that is generally all over the place of these sites.

It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever, I'm not saying ISIS doesn't exist, but this really does seem like a false flag to me. It's ironic that the American public was so disgusted with the idea of a Syrian war, the administration goes back to the drawing board, and suddenly ISIS is all over the media, and have become this massive threat and reason to enter that region once again. Now we have the perfect excuse to jump into a country that the American public had no taste to do so last year.

Seems very convenient.

US was allowing it by not acting because they did not want to go back to Iraq. Also those mobile oil refineries are no more because the US blew them up a few days ago.

[cheeky_scrub]

It's ironic that the American public was so disgusted with the idea of a Syrian war, the administration goes back to the drawing board, and suddenly ISIS is all over the media, and have become this massive threat and reason to enter that region once again. Now we have the perfect excuse to jump into a country that the American public had no taste to do so last year.

I want to address this.

The reason, I think, that there was so much opposition to an intervention in Syria was two fold. One, it was an internal conflict (Syrians killing Syrians), and Americans feared a military intervention would only fuck up the region even more; and two, there was no clear cut evidence genocide as in Bosnia, Croatia, Albania.

Iraq, an ally of the US, was in danger of collapsing under the threat of ISIS. ISIS was threatening the consulate in Erbil (remember when they were marching to Baghdad? Obama sent in "advisors" and suddenly their progress stopped). The Peshmerga needed help (and they owed the Kurds big time after dropping the ball on Saddam's gassing campaigns), so the US came in to protect their interests.

Now, they have to cut off the threat at the source, which is in Syria. Why they didn't take on ISIS years before is another matter.

I don't know whether I agree with this logic, but that's how I think the US sees it.

[RRxtar]

Going back a while ago, ISIS captured US convoy, tanks, and warfare in the middle east. US has stated before that if their weaponry are captured, the first thing they will do is launch an airstrike to take it out. Their priority is to not let their own weapon get into the enemies' hands, yet nothing was done then.

Do people actually believe airstrikes will take out ground troops of a militant group? Are people so naive to believe the US is in Syria for ISIS? The US has used this tactic before in Iraq, and is doing it again in Syria. Fund a terrorist group to destabilize the targeted country, and then move in and use every reasoning to "help". Several Syrian civilians have already been killed because of these airstrikes, and people believe they're there to take out ISIS, lol.

The US doesn't want to use their own troops since there's already a rebellion going on. Kill the enemy with his own knife, arm local rebels to take out the Assad regime, while the US sit back and have a glass of champagne. Now Britain says they have to arm 15,000 rebels in order to take out ISIS. The sole purpose of US going into Syria is for oil and nuclear weapons.

What level of threat is ISIS at the moment to the US? 0. Nothing has happened yet in the good old America. No American troops has been injured or killed by ISIS and the US wants to so call take ISIS out. Not even Assad himself has done anything to threaten or harm the US. Obama sure is rushing into this. At least Bush plot out every reason and sacrificed many troops to invade Iraq and Afghanistan to take out Saddam and Bin Laden. If the US wants to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, they can do so without an difficulty at all. As long as ISIS exists, they have reasons to invade countries in the middle east.

The US is really good at using mainstream media to deceive the public, and all the videos showing ISIS threatening the US that they will hang their flag at the white house, is probably all enacted. The beheading, all of them, doesn't even show the process of the head coming off, doesn't even show blood squirting from their neck, and people are going "OMG, ISIS needs to be stopped".
stopped taking your post seriously when you said OBAMA and BUSH make any decisions on their own at all.:smug:

[cheeky_scrub]

Lol, Obama rushed into this? He's been incredibly cautious in forming a coalition; Bush went full cowboy into Iraq.

[Ludepower]

ISIS is fake?
They've declared their own state by redrawing borders.
I dont know what the end game looks like but they're taunting the most powerful nation in the world into a war.
Theres no riddles this time.

[mr_chin]

Mr. Chin,

I'd have to disagree with a lot of what you've written above.

With 2 American journalists getting publicly beheaded and broadcast around the world, do you expect the US to just stand back and do nothing? The entire Congress, both the Democrats and Republicans, and the general American population are expecting and pressuring Obama to do something. It doesn't need to have anything to do with oil, money, or nuclear weapons. When Americans are publicly killed by "enemies of the state" in this manner, American citizens expects their government to stand up and beat the crap out of whoever it is.

Yes, and this is where the whole media thing comes in. Resort back to my post and I've explained how the beheading could possibly be fake. Who films a beheading without the actual head being severed and calls it a threat to a nation? It shows an introductory, the beginning process of the beheading, and the end result of the victim. A cheap low budget film industry can act this out on television any day.

If the US really wants to do something, why not send in ground troops? Wouldn't then, their priority is to get these hostages out and not take out oil rigs and such? And to do so, wouldn't you need ground troops to go into Syria like how they went into Iraq and Afghanistan to flush Osama and Saddam out? Airstrikes evidently will not take out ISIS. Airstrikes evidently is there to take out bases, land, etc. and to this day, civilians have been killed along with ISIS militants. These civilians are killed in the surrounding of their homes. For the US to jeopardize civilian lives to kill terrorist members makes the US no difference than a terrorist themselves.

stopped taking your post seriously when you said OBAMA and BUSH make any decisions on their own at all.:smug:

I'm sorry, I should be more specific and put in the word administration. I'm not directly stating that the one president is making the decision, but the era of the president.

When I said Obama rushed into this, I meant that he has no reasonable cause to enter Syria with airstrikes whereas Bush waited until 9/11 before really doing anything. Keep in mind that the US had already planned an invasion in Syria YEARS AGO and their main purpose there is to take out the Assad regime, this is why I meant "rushed". Again, ISIS has no threat to the American homeland at the moment. Every threat has yet to be carried out. There is no reports of US civilians or troops killed by ISIS to this day, other than the so-called beheading. There is even a stupid live interview with an former Canadian ISIS member (face uncovered) over skype by Vice News, and he basically came clean saying that there are ISIS member in the US mobilizing for an attack. HOW STUPID CAN THAT BE? All of these media showing ISIS sounds like a tactic to stir up the Americans' anger and support the airstrikes in Syria.

This is no war. ISIS alone doesn't stand a chance against a nation with high end military warfare. Their weapons belong to the US and are ground base only. They're not heat seeking missiles, they're not weapons that can intercept missile attacks. They're not weapons that can take out an F-16. The US is making this sound bigger than it is.

Only time will tell what will happen next. Sudan is my guess.

[Manic!]

Hey Mr. Chin have you searched online for the beheading video?


Maybe RS can raise some money to sent you to the middle east to find out if ISIS is real or not.

[Traum]

Yes, and this is where the whole media thing comes in. Resort back to my post and I've explained how the beheading could possibly be fake. Who films a beheading without the actual head being severed and calls it a threat to a nation? It shows an introductory, the beginning process of the beheading, and the end result of the victim. A cheap low budget film industry can act this out on television any day.

I am not going to discuss the authenticity of the beheading. The chances of it being fake seems pretty slim, and the chances of the hostages not being dead is pretty much next to zero.


If the US really wants to do something, why not send in ground troops? Wouldn't then, their priority is to get these hostages out and not take out oil rigs and such? And to do so, wouldn't you need ground troops to go into Syria like how they went into Iraq and Afghanistan to flush Osama and Saddam out? Airstrikes evidently will not take out ISIS. Airstrikes evidently is there to take out bases, land, etc. and to this day, civilians have been killed along with ISIS militants. These civilians are killed in the surrounding of their homes. For the US to jeopardize civilian lives to kill terrorist members makes the US no difference than a terrorist themselves.

The US will not send ground troops because the public backlash as a result of the soldiers' deaths and injuries are far too high. The associated costs of ground troop deployment are also going to be very high. Committing ground troops deployment will amount to political suicide, and Obama is at least smart enough to see that.

Additionally, had the US send in ground troops, they will unavoidably become the primary force in the fighting, and that will inevitably lead to higher attempts / occurrences of terror attacks at home on US soil. By limiting their commitment to air strikes, surveillance, and intel gathering, it necessitates the involvement from other countries. Should any retaliatory terror attacks occur, at least the US will not be the only target. More importantly, by involving Islamic allies, the US can avoid getting the military action being labelled as anti-Islamic and anti-Muslims.

[mr_chin]

Hey Mr. Chin have you searched online for the beheading video?


Maybe RS can raise some money to sent you to the middle east to find out if ISIS is real or not.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/category/beheadings-graphic

Op-Ed Daily » WARNING: Extremely Graphic Video of James Wright Foley Beheading (http://op-edaily.com/world-news/warning-extremely-graphic-video-of-james-wright-foley-beheading/)

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/02/second-american-journalist-steven-sotloff-reportedly-has-been-beheaded-by-the-islamic-state-isis/

WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO - Jihadi John beheads David Haines (FULL VIDEO) - Middle East - International - News - Catholic Online (http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56900)

I gathered this for you. The first link shows ACTUAL beheading and the whole process of it. These videos literally makes you cringe.

The rest are the ISIS beheading... all of them shows the knife slicing back and forth ten or more times with no blood. Not to mention, the knife doesn't even sink into the neck. To think that someone is going to execute another, with what looks like a combat knife, they would be extremely sharp. Ten or more slices would pretty slice right to the bone, with blood squirting out of the arteries.

Lastly, I didn't say ISIS was fake, I said these beheading more than likely are. All the news and media headline have "EXTREME GRAPHIC", "UNCENSORED", etc. to hype up this false alert.

Stop believing mainstream media. This is the worst false alert to use to invade a country because no actual evidence of it is and will be found. Spend less than $1000 dollar per video, and suddenly the president of United States has authorization for airstrikes in one of the countries with the most oil.

I am not going to discuss the authenticity of the beheading. The chances of it being fake seems pretty slim, and the chances of the hostages not being dead is pretty much next to zero.

The chances of it being real seems pretty slim BECAUSE THERE IS NO ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF THE BEHEADING. The chances of the hostages not being dead is pretty arguable since NO ONE SAW THEM DIED.

The US will not send ground troops because the public backlash as a result of the soldiers' deaths and injuries are far too high. The associated costs of ground troop deployment are also going to be very high. Committing ground troops deployment will amount to political suicide, and Obama is at least smart enough to see that.

What info do you have supporting the cost of ground troops. What difference is it to send in ground troops in Iraq vs Al Qaeda and Syria? Oh yeah, Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq for oil, they were actually there for terrorism.

When you want to flush out certain groups and leaders from a country, you send in troops because it is the most efficient and effective way. When you want to take out bases and establishments, you send in airstrikes, ground troops and tanks will definitely not get that done.

Additionally, had the US send in ground troops, they will unavoidably become the primary force in the fighting, and that will inevitably lead to higher attempts / occurrences of terror attacks at home on US soil. By limiting their commitment to air strikes, surveillance, and intel gathering, it necessitates the involvement from other countries. Should any retaliatory terror attacks occur, at least the US will not be the only target. More importantly, by involving Islamic allies, the US can avoid getting the military action being labelled as anti-Islamic and anti-Muslims.

I think by now, the whole world knows that the attack in Syria is lead by the Americans, if ANYONE is going to be attacked, it will be the US first. So to think they are trying to divert enemy focus is very naive. Not to mention, ISIS is certainly incapable of doing any sort of damage to the US. To even bring any destruction to NA, you're speaking of China and Russia, ISIS? No way.

Local rebels first priority, is the Assad regime, not ISIS. And now you have a country, strong in military warfare, arming them and training them, in hopes they'll destroy ISIS? Maybe so, but afterwards who's next? The bold line is probably the least the US has to worry about. You really think the US would be afraid of false claims by any country? The US is pretty much already under false claims by Russia and Americans themselves. And how about WWII? They don't care, as long as the job is done and they have a good explanation (which they will) to cover up everything.

[Traum]

What info do you have supporting the cost of ground troops. What difference is it to send in ground troops in Iraq vs Al Qaeda and Syria? Oh yeah, Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq for oil, they were actually there for terrorism.

Err... lemme see:

Sending ground troops:
The costs of sending troops, weaponry, support personnel, establishing new base camps, etc.
The costs of sending injured troops back to the US and their associated medical and post-injury costs.

Conduct air strikes:
The costs of sending planes (or possibly drones) out from already established permanent military camps.
Near zero risk of injury to air force members.

Yeah, I really think sending in ground troops is gonna be the cheaper method. :lawl:


When you want to flush out certain groups and leaders from a country, you send in troops because it is the most efficient and effective way. When you want to take out bases and establishments, you send in airstrikes, ground troops and tanks will definitely not get that done.

I don't dispute these plain and obvious facts. But the fact of the matter is, Obama does not want to deploy troops out again, when he has only just withdrawl the majority of troops back from Iraq. Doing so would amount to political suicide for him and the Democrats. Unless there is widespread desire from both the US and the international community, he is not going send in ground troops.


I think by now, the whole world knows that the attack in Syria is lead by the Americans, if ANYONE is going to be attacked, it will be the US first. So to think they are trying to divert enemy focus is very naive. Not to mention, ISIS is certainly incapable of doing any sort of damage to the US. To even bring any destruction to NA, you're speaking of China and Russia, ISIS? No way.

US first, yes. But US alone, no. Why was the British journalist beheaded? Why was the French tourist killed? By rounding up a host of different countries from around the world to support this attack, the US wants to make sure that the international community is splitting / sharing the risks of local home grown terror attacks.

Also, your claim that IS cannot bring any destruction to NA is just completely naive. If Al Qaeda can organize plane hijackings and plane bombs and such, certainly IS can pull off the same thing if they divert enough effort and resources into it. Don't forget that a good number of IS' fighters are coming from the international community as well, including Americans. I do not know how likely such a terror attack could happen, but it certainly seems possible.


The bold line is probably the least the US has to worry about. You really think the US would be afraid of false claims by any country? The US is pretty much already under false claims by Russia and Americans themselves. And how about WWII? They don't care, as long as the job is done and they have a good explanation (which they will) to cover up everything.
You are completely missing my point. The US most definitely has an interest in avoiding being labelled as anti-Islam because it does not want to attract any finger pointing from American Islam groups, nor does it want to give any excuses to radical Muslims, abroad or local to the US, to carry out terror attacks within the US.

[mr_chin]

Err... lemme see:

Sending ground troops:
The costs of sending troops, weaponry, support personnel, establishing new base camps, etc.
The costs of sending injured troops back to the US and their associated medical and post-injury costs.

Conduct air strikes:
The costs of sending planes (or possibly drones) out from already established permanent military camps.
Near zero risk of injury to air force members.

Yeah, I really think sending in ground troops is gonna be the cheaper method. :lawl:


Lol where did you interpret my post to ask for a difference in cost and which is cheaper? I simply ask where you get information on the cost of sending in ground troops and the difference in purpose. :facepalm:

Also, your claim that IS cannot bring any destruction to NA is just completely naive. If Al Qaeda can organize plane hijackings and plane bombs and such, certainly IS can pull off the same thing if they divert enough effort and resources into it. Don't forget that a good number of IS' fighters are coming from the international community as well, including Americans. I do not know how likely such a terror attack could happen, but it certainly seems possible.

Did you just claimed that 9/11 was not staged? :facepalm:

Keep watching the news and soak in every information buddy. End of discussion after that 9/11 claim.

[Lomac]

Did you just claimed that 9/11 was not staged? :facepalm:

Keep watching the news and soak in every information buddy. End of discussion after that 9/11 claim.

You're right. Conspiracy theory crap belongs in Fight Club, ideally in CIC's thread.

You've lost all credibility with that first sentence.

[Yodamaster]

Guys, chill out, it's a bunch of middle eastern rednecks fucking up their own part of the world. There are more important domestic issues that require our attention, stop artificially sizing these assholes up, facist "states" run by radicals are nothing new.

Do you honestly think that a few radicals are going to be an issue domestically? There are more neo nazis in Canada than there are ISIS wannabe assholes, we outnumber them completely. The fear spawned by 9/11 was not warranted, sometimes the right thing to do is just move on and stop worrying about the what-if scenarios. The bus I ride could explode into a million pieces, it'd suck, but I would not want my country to go to war over it when the culprit was some extremist punk, our rage only fuels them.

[mr_chin]

You're right. Conspiracy theory crap belongs in Fight Club, ideally in CIC's thread.

You've lost all credibility with that first sentence.

Lol, I think by now, 9/11 is known to be an inside job. You can say there is no physical evidence surrounding it. I can also say there is no evidence to prove that Al Qaeda hijacked the planes. So who's side is the conspiracy?

[StylinRed]

I'm sorry Chin but there really isn't any reason for multiple, fake, beheading videos...do you really think the reporters and that ex-raf aid worker are still alive somewhere?

there are countless civilians being beheaded and ISIS has placed their heads on posts throughout cities it's not like beheading is beneath them...

or do you think that these beheading videos were created to simply entice the west in going into syria/iraq to take out isis? i don't think an excuse was needed everyone was on board already but simply dragging their feet waiting for america

and if they are fake videos to entice the west those 3 victims would have to be killed anyway so why wouldn't they be beheaded for the video...

i don't know, i'm sorry, i'm trying to make sense of thinking that they're fake videos but i just don't see it

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

mr chin, try not to validate internal feelings with internal values or an internal construct of how things are.

it creates a false loop. you must always validate the internal, with external, and vice versa.

Basically use your logic and sensing and project it outwards... look around and observe empirical evidence (by empirical i mean hard facts that have been verified by all), and realise that most of your theories are not reflected in reality... but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation. Your internal intuition will go to any lengths to justify your internal feeling/emotion based suspicions.

otherwise, be serious, you're just validating internal facts (facts only you believe), with internal feelings... feelings only you feel. There is NO validation there. You're just preaching to the choir, and you are the preacher and choir. kinda get my drift?

there always has to be a balance of validations or it's just a slippery slope of self imagination backed up by self feeling.

A reverse example is someone validating external feedback with external feedback. Perhaps someone needing external validation of their actions, and then looping it by backing it up with external validation of the senses. The more feedback they get, the more wild they think they can be, i'm sure we all know people like this and they always push it to the edge. The guy that parties too hard, and the troll are some of the few examples.

the internal loop creates schizoid type paranoid thinking. the external loop creates this kinda enjoyment trollish extreme sense bombardment. both are unbalanced in personality.

another example of complete internal loop validation is when you dream. thats why things in dreams always make sense no matter how weird or crazy they are. because it's just internal projection validated by internal values and systems. it's just a big infinite loop of self validation. anything can make sense when that happens. whether it's a positive or negative loop (both blind), depend on emotions, as the data is skewed to one or the other as it passes through the emotion filter in the mind.

lol kinda off topic, but yeah, mr chin... your responses in this thread are kinda off from how you usually post. Just something I noticed. No offence meant or anything. Just stating what I know. Take what you will.

[cheeky_scrub]

Lol, I think by now, 9/11 is known to be an inside job. You can say there is no physical evidence surrounding it. I can also say there is no evidence to prove that Al Qaeda hijacked the planes. So who's side is the conspiracy?

1. The 9/11 first responders (and search dogs) who came down with all sorts of horrible illnesses. That's as physical as you can get.

2. OBL personally claimed responsibility for 9/11. Two of the hijackers were known al-Qaeda members on the FBI's watch list long before 9/11.

Seriously, it's okay to have a skeptical eye about events, but your conclusions should come from the evidence, not the other way around.

[mr_chin]

mr chin, try not to validate internal feelings with internal values or an internal construct of how things are.

it creates a false loop. you must always validate the internal, with external, and vice versa.

Basically use your logic and sensing and project it outwards... look around and observe empirical evidence (by empirical i mean hard facts that have been verified by all), and realise that most of your theories are not reflected in reality... but as they rely almost entirely on internal validation. Your internal intuition will go to any lengths to justify your internal feeling/emotion based suspicions.

otherwise, be serious, you're just validating internal facts (facts only you believe), with internal feelings... feelings only you feel. There is NO validation there. You're just preaching to the choir, and you are the preacher and choir. kinda get my drift?

there always has to be a balance of validations or it's just a slippery slope of self imagination backed up by self feeling.

A reverse example is someone validating external feedback with external feedback. Perhaps someone needing external validation of their actions, and then looping it by backing it up with external validation of the senses. The more feedback they get, the more wild they think they can be, i'm sure we all know people like this and they always push it to the edge. The guy that parties too hard, and the troll are some of the few examples.

the internal loop creates schizoid type paranoid thinking. the external loop creates this kinda enjoyment trollish extreme sense bombardment. both are unbalanced in personality.

another example of complete internal loop validation is when you dream. thats why things in dreams always make sense no matter how weird or crazy they are. because it's just internal projection validated by internal values and systems. it's just a big infinite loop of self validation. anything can make sense when that happens. whether it's a positive or negative loop (both blind), depend on emotions, as the data is skewed to one or the other as it passes through the emotion filter in the mind.

lol kinda off topic, but yeah, mr chin... your responses in this thread are kinda off from how you usually post. Just something I noticed. No offence meant or anything. Just stating what I know. Take what you will.

This is really getting off topic, but I'll say this. When it comes to things like this, it's all about what you believe. Do you really need internal and external validation on what you believe? It's certainly debatable and this is where the "loop" you mention comes in, it'll continue to go around and around, and we'll never get to the end of it.

I am a guy that believe what I see and don't see, and everything I said was based on that. Beheading? Didn't see it, so not going to believe it. Tower fell demolished style? Saw it, so I believe it was planned. Didn't see members of Al Qaeda hijacked the airplanes, not going to believe it. ISIS is a threat to America, saw the claim, didn't see the threat, I'll take it as that. You get my drift.

1. The 9/11 first responders (and search dogs) who came down with all sorts of horrible illnesses. That's as physical as you can get.

2. OBL personally claimed responsibility for 9/11. Two of the hijackers were known al-Qaeda members on the FBI's watch list long before 9/11.

Seriously, it's okay to have a skeptical eye about events, but your conclusions should come from the evidence, not the other way around.

I'll admit, I base my conclusion on assumptions, how the towers fell, and interviews with eye witnesses of what they saw and heard. To tie all of that to what I already saw, it's hard to believe, and no matter how much people try to convince, that the towers fell from jet fuel and was not demolished.

Anyways, this topic is not about 9/11, so that's that.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

i spoke too soon about the chinese

Chinese national 'captured' fighting for ISIS - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/05/world/asia/china-isis/?iref=obinsite)

totally forgot, we wouldn't know if they were attacked cuz no news would come out lol.

i guess they're already involved.

[RRxtar]

Read some stuff last night about a potential threat against New York, and quite a few people who live in NY were commenting on how the police presence in the subways has mysteriously been noticeably low. Many places where cops are posted have been empty for a couple weeks

[mikemhg]

^Because ISIS isn't a threat domestically, plain and simple.

I have never heard a single person credibly explain to be how bombing and fighting individuals whether it be in Iraq, or Syria, makes the United States any safer.

If this group had any intentions of committing a terrorist act in the US, they could do so tomorrow. Spending billions of tax dollars to bomb a COMPLETELY isolated threat does not make the West any more safe.

Why are we repeating this rhetoric decade after decade? Are we any safer today after Afghanistan, and Iraq? One can easily argue that if anything these regions are far more destabilized and less safe than before the US went in there.

You can't bomb and fight an idea. ISIS is an idea. Who doesn't think that once ISIS is bombed off the map, there won't be another new group to take their place? Jesus there were already reports that the Americans were bombing a new group even worse than ISIS (I believe Khorasan they were called)?

The question is, when does this all end? Or more so, when does the media and government stop selling this bullshit story that these engagements are about the safety of the people, and not just a version of modern imperialism?

Domestically, America's infrastructure and middle class is deteriorating at an exponential rate, and yet you are seeing massive amounts of GDP being dumped into the Middle East, only serving a few key interests, while the rest of the US suffers. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore, and I'm shocked people aren't more up in arms about the garbage we're being fed here.

Trust me, I'm the furthest from a Tin-Foil hat type guy, but let’s call a spade a spade, ISIS while not fictional, is certainly a false flag that is being used as a reason to perpetuate the war machine.

[mr_chin]

Obama just stated yesterday in an interview that Syria is much more complicated than it seems. Most of the land is ungoverned and that the use of military forces was needed. He also stated that several modular refineries were attacked and successfully killed I forgot how many ISIS militant.

I'm not even sure anymore if Obama's has any priority to rescue these hostages from ISIS or if he just wants to control land in Syria.

[kunoman1]

ISIS Is Getting Closer To Baghdad - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-getting-closer-to-baghdad-2014-9)

:heckno:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

China and US to focus on combating IS at Beijing summit, Hong Kong not priority: Shanghaiist (http://shanghaiist.com/2014/10/08/china_and_us_to_focus_on_combating.php)

[Hondaracer]

^Because ISIS isn't a threat domestically, plain and simple.

I have never heard a single person credibly explain to be how bombing and fighting individuals whether it be in Iraq, or Syria, makes the United States any safer.

If this group had any intentions of committing a terrorist act in the US, they could do so tomorrow. Spending billions of tax dollars to bomb a COMPLETELY isolated threat does not make the West any more safe.

Why are we repeating this rhetoric decade after decade? Are we any safer today after Afghanistan, and Iraq? One can easily argue that if anything these regions are far more destabilized and less safe than before the US went in there.

You can't bomb and fight an idea. ISIS is an idea. Who doesn't think that once ISIS is bombed off the map, there won't be another new group to take their place? Jesus there were already reports that the Americans were bombing a new group even worse than ISIS (I believe Khorasan they were called)?

The question is, when does this all end? Or more so, when does the media and government stop selling this bullshit story that these engagements are about the safety of the people, and not just a version of modern imperialism?

Domestically, America's infrastructure and middle class is deteriorating at an exponential rate, and yet you are seeing massive amounts of GDP being dumped into the Middle East, only serving a few key interests, while the rest of the US suffers. It just doesn't make sense to me anymore, and I'm shocked people aren't more up in arms about the garbage we're being fed here.

Trust me, I'm the furthest from a Tin-Foil hat type guy, but let’s call a spade a spade, ISIS while not fictional, is certainly a false flag that is being used as a reason to perpetuate the war machine.

X100000

Exactly.

Who gives a shit about Isis takin some small northern village in Iraq, that is a concern for the western world?

When you can go to massive events where thousands of people gather and not have to go through pat downs or security checks, and you're worried about a couple hundred guys out fighting each other in the desert? Lol

[StylinRed]

Well if you believe the latest reports, ISIS was/is planning to hit shopping malls in Canada :crazy2: critics are calling it a conservative party scare tactic though

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

for all who wonder why the USA is so "world police"

just re-read not so long ago history...

WWI to WWII...

league of nations, all that crap, and then america helping the world by becoming a major war manufacturing power plant and saving the world from the nazi's.

the UN is useless because just like the league of nations, they didn't really plan or do jack shit. they cant do jack shit.

the USA was forced into making weapons for everyone, and then going to save everyone.

imagine nations as living entities... old entities, that act no different than old people. they will always act the same based on the shit that happened to them earlier in their life.

nations change and age much slower than the cells (people) they are composed of.

you don't just go from a world weapons manufacturing plant, and world police, to not, in a few life times.

it was predestined. The USA is the way it is today, because of WWI and II. They are in everyone's noses, cuz no one was back then, and look what the fuck happened.

You can sure bet they aren't gonna ever make that mistake again.

The world made the USA the way it is. And it will continue to act this way until they are proven wrong...

it's a test of time, beyond the measurement of 1-2 generations. beyond the measurement of a human life.

the USA is in everyone's fucking noses because we appointed them to do it generations ago.
they do it because no one did it back then and the world went to shit, people started to do whatever they wanted and the world just stood by and watched.

now the USA will always be in peoples noses, cuz two countries at war, is worse than the world at war.

it only takes 1 shit disturber to fuck everything up.

I only fully realised this after i re-read up about WWI and II and how the wars started and how they were mediated.

it makes perfect fucking sense. we are just living in the shadow of the past.