[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[SkinnyPupp]

I like how people are so flippant about paying for content, even when faced with new laws. The solution isn't to actually pay for the stuff you're enjoying, it's to find new ways to get around it.

For me it's not even about the laws... It was just so easy for so long to disassociate content creators from the content itself. "well it's right there on torrent, why should I even pay for it?" That might have even worked well in the days of $20 CD's and $30 DVD's.

But now with new pricing schemes - $5 rentals on youtube, Netflix streaming at a monthly price, even pay-per-views are like $20 now, or $10 a month like what WWE is doing. Games almost instantly drop 50% in price, and can reach 70% off after a year or so on sales. Why would you bother to pirate? Is it because you're just so used to it?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[ScizzMoney]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that pays for music and movies.
:okay:

[SkinnyPupp]

The sense of entitlement is what bothers me... Are people like that for everything? If you can get away with stealing food or clothing, why not just do it?

[nsmb]

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[striderblade]

to those who are using the private inter access vpn. Which server did you guys use in your openvpn router setting? The one i'm using is kinda slow

[Ch28]

Usenet + SSL encryption ftw

[Mr.HappySilp]

I work for one of the ISPs and from what the big guys said the E-mail is a warning to the user. It doesn't mean much as none of your info is being pass to anyone. The only time your info will be release if it is from the police with a warrant.

So in short unless the movie studio etc etc... goes through the length of trying to sue you and get a police warrant and take you to court there is nothing to worry about. WILL they go after you? They could but the chance is slim unless you are running a sever that shares copy right content (IE IPtorrents). you really have nothing to worry about.

BTW Telus have been sending these E-mails out for years already so is nothing new.Regarding the warnings. We have been getting those warning E-mails from studios for ages already. They always end up in the deleted folders but now all we do is forward our customers the E-mails. Nothing more.

[Ch28]

Here you go Ulic

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[SkinnyPupp]

Can someone TD;DR ulics last 2 posts for me? Something about being entitled to money? And ownership is why we have wars? :fulloffuck:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[SkinnyPupp]

I never said anyone 'owns' anything. However there should be an exchange both ways when it comes to content. The creator lets you enjoy the content in exchange for something - obviously this is usually money. Sometimes it can be other things, like sharing their content, donations, or even in exchange for simple good will.

However spoiled fucks will always want it for free. Why? Because it has always been that way. Starting with their mom giving them what they want, when they want. Then along came napster and torrents. Instead of leeching off their moms, they are leeching off the internet.

Price points have been changing, where people who feel morally obligated to pay for content no longer feel ripped off for doing so. So the excuse of "it costs too much to buy a CD/DVD/etc" no longer exists. Now, by pirating shit, you're no longer being cheap. You're just still that greedy little 5 year old who is used to getting what they want.

No, you don't "own" the music you pay for. Nobody said you did. Just like you don't "own" the house you rent, or the gardener you hire to maintain your lawn, or the cell phone plan you're using. But you are paying for a service. It would be pretty shitty to hire someone to do a job, and then just not pay them. When they ask for their payment, you're just going to say fight me for it, and whoever wins this little "war" gets to keep the money?

I know none of this will get through to ulic, but I think other people will come across it. I know piracy is simply accepted because for a lot of people in their 20's and 30's, that's just how it always was. Mom buys you stuff until you can download it yourself easily. People aren't making this content for people to "share" (which is funny how this word gets used in place of copying or pirating by people trying to defend what they know is probably not actually sharing. If they do, they should look the word up in a dictionary)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[SkinnyPupp]

yeah, when your gardener works for you, he's already working under a won war.

:fulloffuck: Well this conversation has ceased being useful for anyone else now. But I guess I can respond to some of the more coherent statements you made

who do you think you are to judge who should have to pay what? or think that there should be some absolute system that is controlled like that?

I'm not the one judging, you are. My judgement goes like this: If you want something, you give what's asked for it. If you can't do that, you don't get what you want. I'm not deciding "who should have to pay". It's quite simple: Everyone should.

And I don't think there should be an "absolute system that is controlled". that would REALLY suck. I prefer to think that people will simply "do the right thing". Stop being greedy and lazy, and "do what's right". My thinking is that not everyone knows that what they're doing is not "what's right". They are just used to getting shit for free.

people just don't care. most people. and most people is what counts. majority of people, are what dictates what is ok and what isn't ok. and right now, it's still okay. You don't get shunned for doing it.

This is what's changing. "most people" was true 10 or even 5 years ago. Now it's just the greedy cunts, the lazy pricks, the clueless and the ignorant. "It's easy to get, so I'll get it" is the only excuse left now. Pretty soon that will be gone, and you will deserve every bit of "shunning" for doing it.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I got a good idea for Ulic, why don't you go and make a movie and spend millions and millions of dollars on it and tell everyone your movie is free and anyone can download at no cost.

Do that for a couple of movies and see how much debt you will be in.

In your reason no one owns anything and we should take what we want, if that's the case then why are you working? Why are you spending time to make money instead of enjoying your life and take whatever that you want and go travel for free? Why not just go to restaurant/supermarket and grab what you want or better yet go to your landlord and tells them that you will no longer pay rent because they don't own their house.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[willystyle]

Anyway, Private Internet Access is good, been using it for years. No complaints.

[twitchyzero]

it's not tangible, therefore there's no value :troll:

[twitchyzero]

still comes down to quality, timeliness and convenience for me

Movies: if video streaming can match Blu-ray quality I'll consider it. Otherwise I'll still continue to only buy the movies I really like.
Shows: torrent still allows me to view it in HD before it even airs on westcoast...so forget waiting 10 months for it to come out on Netflix.
Sports: there needs to be a centralized way to follow different sports while still being affordable.
Music: services need to support FLAC
Games: I'm satisfied with the current delivery system thanks to Steam

[RRxtar]

Can someone TD;DR ulics last 2 posts for me? Something about being entitled to money? And ownership is why we have wars? :fulloffuck:
I dont even bother skimming over his posts in any threads anymore. They are all incoherent babble. Too much mind freeing drugs or something

[StylinRed]

I like how people are so flippant about paying for content, even when faced with new laws. The solution isn't to actually pay for the stuff you're enjoying, it's to find new ways to get around it.

For me it's not even about the laws... It was just so easy for so long to disassociate content creators from the content itself. "well it's right there on torrent, why should I even pay for it?" That might have even worked well in the days of $20 CD's and $30 DVD's.

But now with new pricing schemes - $5 rentals on youtube, Netflix streaming at a monthly price, even pay-per-views are like $20 now, or $10 a month like what WWE is doing. Games almost instantly drop 50% in price, and can reach 70% off after a year or so on sales. Why would you bother to pirate? Is it because you're just so used to it?

i think its because i got used to going to x site or x service for content, the other day i wanted some software (powerdvd) and my initial reaction was to dl it (even though i buy my software these days) and i thought "you know i should look at how much this costs" and cyberlink is selling it for $50 + you get 3 other programs for that price and i literally thought to myself ":fulloffuck: why pirate?" so I just bought it...think it may be a growing up thing or a combination of age, prices dropping, and accesibility, photoshop, office, lightroom, etc are all really affordable these days (especially if you're still able to get student discounts) and downloading the software from the provider is so quick and easy these days

as for games i havent pirated one of those in at least a decade...they're just so cheap, especially if you're not concerned about or able to play on release day

The sense of entitlement is what bothers me... Are people like that for everything? If you can get away with stealing food or clothing, why not just do it?

can't remember what class it was that i took...but it was related that most people would steal if given the opportunity, especially if there were no consequences...can't recall exactly what it was but it separated people into 3 groups above is the gist of it

[Vansterdam]

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[SkinnyPupp]

If you guys are all interested, let me set up an affiliate plan first so you can go through RS.. Since I assume since most are blocking ads, this could be a viable way to support us instead of some random guy on redflagdeals :)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

honestly, you should just make one anyway and post it in the thread.

I use RS enough to justify monetary support. lol.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

another one people recommend was

https://12vpn.net/

the difference they said was 12vpn was faster.

[SkinnyPupp]

another one people recommend was

https://12vpn.net/

the difference they said was 12vpn was faster.
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[ImportPsycho]

about a year ago
I received email from Telus that nickelodeon has contacted them about me dling bubble guppies(for my 2yr girl).... for real... I sht bricks that day lol..
so yea... never again

[Ronin]

I've been pirating things since I got the Internet. Hundreds of gigs a month and I've never gotten a notice.

[Canadian Rider]

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[Manic!]

Anyone know if you would get in trouble using a Shaw hot spot?

[SkinnyPupp]

interested
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[[o_o]]

Noob question..

12vpn/privateinternetaccess/similar programs only works through wifi or does it work with local area connection too?

[Ch28]

;8576592']Noob question..

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Both work

[SkinnyPupp]

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[Great68]

I want offline viewing capabilities, I kill time on the ferry or on a plane by watching a few TV episodes or a movie.

But, I don't want to pay "ownership" prices. I have no desire to own a movie collection (I delete the ones I've downloaded after I watch them), I don't re-watch movies often.

And I want them in Blue-Ray HD quality (above the shit that Telus/Shaw try to pass off as HD on their Pay Per View services)

Once media providers have figured that out, I will be happy to start handing over my money.

[trd2343]

comes into effect like... tonight.

what are u guys doing to... yeah?

for those that don't know. ISP's will give out warnings and keep all your info about your downloads for 6 months incase they wanna sue you or some shit.

they'll warn you and tell u how to "remove" the content etc etc.

either way. in short. your downloads are being tracked by big brother now.

VPN? what's the solution? (other than paying for content duh, we're all intellectual pirates here).

Is it correct to assume that the person that gets into trouble is actually the account holder of the internet service, and not the person/computer/IP address that actually downloaded the content?

ie. account under mom's name, I downloaded the content

[Tone Loc]

Where do sites like PopcornTime (where you are "streaming" a torrent as opposed to downloading a copy onto your computer) stand with this new law? Personally, I stopped pirating movies when I found out about PopcornTime... and since I started subscribing to Spotify I no longer pirate music.

That being said, the whole analogy about stealing food, money, cars, etc. doesn't really fit here.

If you have a sandwich, and I take it, you no longer have a sandwich... but I do.

This is theft.

But if you have a sandwich, and I stuck it into a special machine that made an exact duplicate of it, you AND I would have a sandwich.

Is this really theft?

The argument could easily be made that the average "pirate" wouldn't have paid for it anyway. Don't know about you guys, but before I got an Internet connection fast enough to torrent HD movies (and porn, lots of it) I just didn't go to the movies... I don't think people are being "entitled" here, it's just that piracy can be, or was, a lot easier than buying physical content.

For example, let's take the movie "The Interview"

It was $6.99 to rent from YouTube. BUT you couldn't watch it in 1080p on a browser, which means you need some kind of streaming box, Smart TV, etc. to watch it the way it was meant to be seen. Moreover, you only had the movie for 48 hours after you opened it.

...or you could just go onto Popcorn Time, watch it in 1080p HD on your computer, and just enjoy... all for free. See my point? It's just easier, and less restrictive (usually).

[StylinRed]

iirc streaming services are in a grey area and for the moment you're good to go for using them

[mos_skeeto]

I'm currently using Private Internet Access. Works great and I have a backup 25gig block of a non-expiring newsgroup subscription if I want to download a tv show minutes after it's released. I set it the VPN as an executable on my laptop because I only turn it on when I boot up uTorrent.

[Presto]

Looks like it's starting to happen, and the copyright trolls are so excited about it that they didn't change their email to apply to Canadian laws.


Canada’s new copyright notice-and-notice system has been in place for less than a week, but rights holders are already exploiting a loophole to send demands for payment citing false legal information. Earlier this week, a Canadian ISP forwarded to me a sample notice it received from Rightscorp on behalf of BMG Rights Management. The notice, which is posted below with identifying information removed, must be forwarded to the subscriber or the ISP faces the possibility of statutory damages of between $5 – 10,000. Rightscorp announced that it was entering the Canadian market last year, so its participation in the notice-and-notice system is not a surprise. What is surprising is that the company has brought its model of issuing demands for payments to Canada by warning of U.S. damage awards and Internet termination in order to stoke fear among Canadians that they could face massive liability if they refuse to pay.

The notice falsely warns that the recipient could be liable for up to $150,000 per infringement when the reality is that Canadian law caps liability for non-commercial infringement at $5,000 for all infringements. The notice also warns that the user’s Internet service could be suspended, yet there is no such provision under Canadian law. Moreover, given the existence of the private copying system (which features levies on blank media such as CDs), some experts argue that certain personal music downloads may qualify as private copying and therefore be legal in Canada (Howard Knopf explains the applicability when the music is copied to “audio recording medium”).

In addition to misstating Canadian law, the notice is instructive for what it does not say. While a recipient might fear a lawsuit with huge liability, there is very little likelihood of a lawsuit given that Rightscorp and BMG do not have the personal information of the subscriber. To obtain that information, they would need a court order, which can be a very expensive proposition. Moreover, this is merely an allegation that would need to be proven in court (assuming the rights holder is able to obtain a court order for the subscriber information).

The full notice states:

Subject: Unauthorized Use of Copyrights RE:
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 00:00:00 -0600 (CST)
From: DMCA@DigitalRightsCorp.com
To: abuse@isp.com

**NOTE TO ISP: PLEASE FORWARD THE ENTIRE NOTICE***

Re: Unauthorized Use of Copyrights Owned Exclusively by BMG Rights Management (US) LLC

Reference#:

Dear Sir or Madam:

Your ISP has forwarded you this notice.
Your ISP account has been used to download, upload or offer for upload copyrighted content in a manner that infringes on the rights of the copyright owner.
Your ISP service could be suspended if this matter is not resolved.
You could be liable for up to $150,000 per infringement in civil penalties.

The file BMG Artist – BMG Song.mp3 was infringed upon by a computer at IP Address 192.—.—.— on 2015-01-02 00:00:00.0 GMT.

We represent the copyright owner.
This notice is an offer of settlement.
If you follow the link below and login to the Rightscorp, Inc. automated settlement system, for $20 per infringement, you will receive a legal release from the copyright owner.

Follow this link or copy and paste into your browser:
https://secure.digitalrightscorp.com/settle/

Rightscorp, Inc. represents the following ‘copyright owner(s)’ BMG Rights Management (US) LLC (‘BMG’). BMG is the exclusive owners of copyrights for BMG Artist musical
compositions, including the musical compositions listed below. It has come to our attention that ISP Internet Services Provider is the service provider for the IP address listed below, from which unauthorized copying and distribution (downloading, uploading, file serving, file ‘swapping’ or other similar activities) of BMG’s exclusive copyrights listed below is taking place.

This unauthorized copying and/or distribution constitutes copyright infringement under the U.S. Copyright Act. Pursuant to 17 U.S.C. 512(c), this letter serves as actual notice of infringement. We hereby demand you immediately and permanently cease and desist the unauthorized copying and/or distribution (including, but not limited to downloading, uploading, file sharing, file ‘swapping’ or other similar activities) of recordings of BMG Artist compositions, including but not limited to those items listed in this correspondence.

BMG will pursue every available remedy including injunctions and recovery of attorney’s fees, costs and any and all other damages which are incurred by BMG as a result of any action that is commenced against you. Nothing contained or omitted from this letter is, or shall be deemed to be either a full statement of the facts or applicable law, an admission of any fact, or a waiver or limitation of any of BMG’s rights or remedies, all of which are specifically retained and reserved. The information in this notification is accurate.

We have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of herein is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or by operation of law. I swear, under penalty of perjury, that I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive rights that have been infringed. While BMG is entitled to monetary damages from the infringing party under 17 U.S.C. Section 504, The BMG believes that it may be expeditious to settle this matter without the need of costly and time-consuming litigation.

In order to help you avoid further legal action from BMG, we have been authorized to offer a settlement solution that we believe is reasonable for everyone. To access this settlement offer, please copy and paste the URL below into a browser and follow the instructions for the settlement offer:

https://secure.digitalrightscorp.com/settle/

Very truly yours,

Christopher Sabec
CEO
Rightscorp, Inc.
3100 Donald Douglas Loop, North,
Santa Monica, CA 90405
Telephone: (310) 751-7510

** For any correspondence regarding this case, please send your emails to DMCA@DigitalRightsCorp.com and refer to Notice ID:

If you need immediate assistance or if you have general questions please call the number listed above.

Infringement Source: Torrent
Timestamp: 2015-01-02 00:00:00.0 GMT
Infringers IP Address: 192.—.—.—-
Infringers Port: 12345
Listing of infringement(s) (Title/Filename/Timestamp/Hash): BMG Artist
BMG Song | BMG Artist – BMG Song.mp3 | 2015-01-02 00:00:00.0 | SHA1 |

In a nutshell, Rightscorp and BMG are using the notice-and-notice system to require ISPs to send threats and misstatements of Canadian law in an effort to extract payments based on unproven infringement allegations. Many Canadians may be frightened into a settlement payment since they will be unaware that some of the legal information in the notice is inaccurate and that Rightscorp and BMG do not know who they are.

The government could have avoided this misuse of the system had it issued regulations specifying the precise content of the notices. Despite months of discussions on the regulations, Industry Minister James Moore abandoned the process, implementing the system with no additional information requirements and no sanctions for the inclusion of false or misleading information. The government’s backgrounder says that the law “sets clear rules on the content of these notices”, however, it does not restrict the ability for rights holders to include information that goes beyond the statutory minimum. Rightscorp and BMG are exploiting this loophole to send demands for payment accompanied by false information on Canadian law.

These actions necessitate two responses. First, Internet service providers should add their own information to the notices, advising their subscribers on the true state of Canadian law and reassuring them that they have not disclosed their personal information to the notice sender. The law does not prohibit ISPs from adding additional information within the forwarded notice and they should begin doing so immediately.

Second, the government should quickly implement regulations prohibiting the inclusion of settlement demands within the notices and creating penalties for those companies that send notices with false or misleading information. The Canadian government has frequently defended the notice-and-notice system as a balanced approach, but its fairness is being undermined with Canadians now facing the prospect of misleading settlement demands.
source: Rightscorp and BMG Exploiting Copyright Notice-and-Notice System: Citing False Legal Information in Payment Demands - Michael Geist (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/01/rightscorp-bmg-exploiting-copyright-notice-notice-system-citing-false-legal-information-payment-demands/)