[no idea]

So I've been ripped off buying a cell phone off a guy from Craigslist. Yeah I know buyer beware... Even though did the usual meet in public spot, plugged my Sim into phone to test and it all seemed to pass the sniff test. Guy even seemed pretty easy going and forthright. Course few days later can't connect to cell network anymore and find out phone was just blacklisted. Simple misunderstanding? Tried calling/texting the guy and he doesn't reply and blocks me...don't think it's a simple misunderstanding anymore.

Don't know what the forums thoughts are on these scumbags... But what if I thought that somebody here might know the guy? I think he knows it's next to impossible to get in caught and I think he was a little too brazen and I have a name, phone number and what I think is his background...

Anybody care to help?

[jaguar604]

uhhh... call the police?

[nabs]

Police would hardly do anything, best you can do is just record it for their own records. just take it as an expensive lesson and move on.

[snails]

well, post the guys info here for our reference.. maybe rs can do some digging and find our more.. although any sort of justice will be hard to come by..

this world is so dishonest and its fucking gross. people work hard to hard for their money and its so easily taken with no consequence

[frozen]

Not much of a lesson to learn here, unless you plan to never buy used phone again. OP, sorry to hear this. Hope the guy gets run over by a bus soon.

[bicboi]

strong username to post content ratio

[no idea]

Talked to police. Very unlikely chance of arrest. Spoke to Rogers they can't/won't do anything citing confidentiality. However they do say I too many blacklisted phones end up being associated with one account will ring bells internally.

The seller was either being too open thinking no one can track him down or is assuming someone else's identity. If it was my name that he was using I'd want to know, wouldn't you?

Using the name from both his voicemail msg and my caller ID I did some googling and his background does match up with what he told me of himself. Hes supposed to be a ubc accounting student and may be in to tracking cars. Again if he is impersonating me I'd want to know.

As for my low post count- it's funny what having kids and getting a career going does to your time to posting on forums...

[Tone Loc]

As for my low post count- it's funny what having kids and getting a career going does to your time to posting on forums...

Uhh, nobody said anything about your post count...?

That being said, try posting the guy's info/appearance on here, as well as a copy of the original ad. It's likely that guy is a Craigslist "regular" and others have been scammed by him before, or will be in the future.

[Presto]

Likely, Rogers blacklisted his phone because he was delinquent on his payments.

[quasi]

Phone was probably either on contract and he didn't make payments or he used a stolen credit card to buy phone and once they figured out it was purchased with stolen card phone was blacklisted, way more common then you'd think.

So dangerous to buy a phone off craigslist, would never do it myself risk isn't worth the reward of a cheaper phone.

[bcrdukes]

OP,

Sorry to hear about your experience. I hope something works out in your favour. If anything, karma will bite hard.

Just a reminder to everyone that this stickied thread exists in the Mobile Phone forums. it's old but please, I encourage you to read it if you ever decide to buy a phone!

http://www.revscene.net/forums/604311-%2Ajust-heads-up%2A-buying-used-phones.html

[Soundy]

Using the name from both his voicemail msg and my caller ID I did some googling and his background does match up with what he told me of himself. Hes supposed to be a ubc accounting student and may be in to tracking cars.
This is ringing a very loud bell for a past post here on RS.

Someone not quite so tired might want to try looking back a year or two.

[PeanutButter]

How exactly can a cell phone company black list a phone? Can't you just reflash the firmware and you'll be good?

Or is the IMEI hardcoded into the phone and cell phone companies can lock phones out this way?

[jackp0t]

Most likely this is what happened seller has one of those cellphone insurance. He sold the phone had then reported it stolen carrier, then blacklisted the phone. Seller gets money a new phone and you lose.
But here's a consolation price for you OP that blacklist is only over here in Canada. Go to Ebay or something sell the phone and hope you get your money back or more.

Moral of the story is
Be wary of buying almost new or released phones

[Mikoyan]

How exactly can a cell phone company black list a phone? Can't you just reflash the firmware and you'll be good?

Or is the IMEI hardcoded into the phone and cell phone companies can lock phones out this way?

Hardcoded. Each handset produced has a unique IMEI.

From Protect Your Data. Protect Yourself. (http://www.protectyourdata.ca), you can do 2 imei searches per day.

Anytime a GSM, HSPA or LTE wireless device is reported as lost or stolen to a participating Canadian wireless service provider, that device’s unique IMEI number will be added to a shared national blacklist (the “Blacklist”). Any device appearing on the Blacklist will be blocked, and participating Canadian wireless service providers will not allow it to be used on their respective wireless networks.

There's usually a 24-48 delay for other carriers to see blacklisted devices from other carriers. And you still can't stop the device from being flagged by the owner after the fact.

[PeanutButter]

Hardcoded. Each handset produced has a unique IMEI.

From Protect Your Data. Protect Yourself. (http://www.protectyourdata.ca), you can do 2 imei searches per day.

Anytime a GSM, HSPA or LTE wireless device is reported as lost or stolen to a participating Canadian wireless service provider, that device’s unique IMEI number will be added to a shared national blacklist (the “Blacklist”). Any device appearing on the Blacklist will be blocked, and participating Canadian wireless service providers will not allow it to be used on their respective wireless networks.

There's usually a 24-48 delay for other carriers to see blacklisted devices from other carriers. And you still can't stop the device from being flagged by the owner after the fact.

Wow, that is interesting. I ignorantly thought there would obviously be a way around this.

[Mikoyan]

Most likely this is what happened seller has one of those cellphone insurance. He sold the phone had then reported it stolen carrier, then blacklisted the phone. Seller gets money a new phone and you lose.
But here's a consolation price for you OP that blacklist is only over here in Canada. Go to Ebay or something sell the phone and hope you get your money back or more.



Participating US carrier blacklists do use the Canadian database too.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Cut your losses, and try to sell it on eBay or online to someone international.

Post person's info here as well.

[rageguy]

The phone will work outside of North America, so sell it to someone on eBay. Also, never buy a contracted phone on Craigslist. Only buy phones which were bought outright for full price with no subsidy.

For example, you can buy an iPhone 6 Plus on Craigslist, if the receipt says it was purchased for full price. You can't really get that blacklisted.

[Gumby]

For example, you can buy an iPhone 6 Plus on Craigslist, if the receipt says it was purchased for full price. You can't really get that blacklisted.
The original buyer can't report it as stolen?

[rriggi]

I had this shit happen to me, but I found out by unlocking the phone and moving to another carrier the phone would work again. I kept using it for 2 years until Apple Store screwed up my battery exchange and they gave me a refurb unit

[hchang]

Cut your losses, and try to sell it on eBay or online to someone international.

Post person's info here as well.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind... Just cut the losses.

I once bought a brand new in box iRock

Wanted the iPhone 5 BNIB cause it was for a friend but ended up being a fucking rock.

Was furious for the rest of the week but oh well you live you learn

[Razor Ramon HG]

An eye for an eye makes the world blind... Just cut the losses.

I once bought a brand new in box iRock

Wanted the iPhone 5 BNIB cause it was for a friend but ended up being a fucking rock.

Was furious for the rest of the week but oh well you live you learn

Yeah, and then the same dude goes on to scam another guy because he realizes he can get away with it.

People with insurance plans on their phones do this all the time.

If it was me, I'd be doing everything I can to get my money back.

I once bought an iRiver PMP off someone. I inspected it at the time, but got home and realized the screen was full of artifacts and couldn't tell at the time because the dude put on some wallpaper to hide it.

He was avoiding my calls, texts, and emails.

Ended up hunting down all his info including his home address and home number.

He ended up meeting me for a full refund the next day with some bullshit excuse.

[CRS]

An eye for an eye makes the world blind... Just cut the losses.

I once bought a brand new in box iRock

Wanted the iPhone 5 BNIB cause it was for a friend but ended up being a fucking rock.

Was furious for the rest of the week but oh well you live you learn

Fuck that.

People need to help accountable for their actions. If you spend you life cheating people of their hard earned money, you're a piece of shit. Pieces of shit like that deserve to have caution signs all around them and their name.

You can't expect to let people off the hook and leave it "at a lesson learned". Help the community out and prevent this from happening to another person. If you were furious, why would you knowing put someone else through that when you can prevent it?

[hchang]

^ I'm all for roasting the scammer but selling it international or to someone on eBay is not going to make anything better

[CRS]

^ I'm all for roasting the scammer but selling it international or to someone on eBay is not going to make anything better

That's not what was referenced in your other post.

As for selling it internationally where it is not blacklisted (as blacklists are generally based on regions), it will help in recuperating some cost. This way, someone gets a phone they can use in their region and OP gets to get some of his money he would have otherwise completely lost.

[TOPEC]

^ I'm all for roasting the scammer but selling it international or to someone on eBay is not going to make anything better

whats wrong with selling the phone to someone else outside of NA that can use the phone? its not like OP is screwing someone else over.

[AzNightmare]

Wait. I'm not clear on something. So how did this happen?
If it worked at first during the "sniff test", then the seller called Rogers to blacklist the phone??

[CRS]

Wait. I'm not clear on something. So how did this happen?
If it worked at first during the "sniff test", then the seller called Rogers to blacklist the phone??

That or the seller stopped making payments on it.

Seeing so many of these threads coming up, I'm glad that we have a pretty active B&S where you can buy from reputable members instead of strangers on CL. Don't get me wrong, CL has its place but I feel more safe buying from RS than anywhere else.

[Razor Ramon HG]

^ I'm all for roasting the scammer but selling it international or to someone on eBay is not going to make anything better

You've misunderstood my post.

Blacklists in Canada are only applicable in Canada and certain carriers in the US.

Other countries say for example in Asia do not use the same blacklists, so if the OP sells the phone to someone from one of those countries, then the phone will work.

It's a nice way to get cheaper phones if you know what you're doing.

:fuckyea:

[$_$]

Post his info so we know who this dipshit is. Vancouver is a pretty small place

[b0unce. [?]]

I remember this was a big issue with the Nexus 4 and 5's. People would order straight from the Google website. Sell it on craigslist, blacklist it by reporting it stolen or something and they would get a replacement? Something along those lines. They would continuously make a profit by getting brand new phones, selling them, blacklisting them and getting a replacement right away.

[Soundy]

An eye for an eye makes the world blind... Just cut the losses.
The other reason for posting the guy's info is so others are warned not to do business with him...

[TOS'd]

its funny cause hchang wanted OP of another thread to continue following some crack addicts in surrey or something and do justice.

[Integgyy]

This happened to me before when i bought a note 2 it fucking sucks. I unlocked it so it could be uaed by bell phones then sold it to a friend. No proborms after that. Goodluck man!

[buhdeh]

It's not even worth buying phones off people anymore. So many ways the seller can screw you and it doesn't even matter what assurance you have... receipts, IMEI check, whatever. They can still screw you over a few weeks or even a few months later.

[hchang]

That's not what was referenced in your other post.

As for selling it internationally where it is not blacklisted (as blacklists are generally based on regions), it will help in recuperating some cost. This way, someone gets a phone they can use in their region and OP gets to get some of his money he would have otherwise completely lost.

You've misunderstood my post.

Blacklists in Canada are only applicable in Canada and certain carriers in the US.

Other countries say for example in Asia do not use the same blacklists, so if the OP sells the phone to someone from one of those countries, then the phone will work.

It's a nice way to get cheaper phones if you know what you're doing.

:fuckyea:

Yeah sorry never mind I misunderstood his post.

I thought selling it internationally meant selling a known dud to some other poor guy somewhere else ... Hence the eye for an eye analogy

My apologies

[FerrariEnzo]

Likely, Rogers blacklisted his phone because he was delinquent on his payments.
Apparently Rogers/fido dont blacklist phones because of non-payment. they send the cost of the phone and final bill to customer and no response they send it off to collections...

[mb_]

Hes supposed to be a ubc accounting student and may be in to tracking cars.

Post his details lol, I'm sure someone on RS will know who he is

[melloman]

I immediately put up a scam warning on CL naming this guy and his cell #. Ad was gone next morning, my scam warning still up. I spoke to Rogers and the VPD the next day, which resulted in little satisfaction. It kept eating away at me then finally last night I googled his name and it totally matched up with the profile he gave me.

When I bought the phone, we met up at the Costco downtown at the return desk and after we transacted we both wandered back into the Costco to do some shopping and engaged in a little chit chat. The online details match up so well...


http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111004092756/uncyclopedia/images/5/56/Angry_German_kid.gif

Post the details bro. Do the right thing and let us out this bitch. :accepted:

[Sw0op]

Looks like he's here on RS too

http://www.revscene.net/forums/679824-momo-monte-carlo-steering-wheel.html

[Presto]

Looks like he's here on RS too

http://www.revscene.net/forums/679824-momo-monte-carlo-steering-wheel.html

And still active:

Last Activity: 01-21-2015 11:41 AM

[quasi]

Wow, that's the way to get your money back right there... WTF.

Get friend to email him, meet him somewhere, confront him, and don't let him get away until you get your money back.. How easy is that?

Lol, no doubt that was his shot to find him.

[elwell]

LOL akuma Z, lets hunt him down

[no idea]

Thanks guys. Noose tightening?
If he is an accounting major I am prepared to cause a world of professional hurt for him. As I mentioned before I graduated quite some time ago and guess what? Lots of my peers were in accounting and are now managers and partners at most of the major public practice firms...
And on his way to get a professional accounting designation there is something called a personal /professional code of conduct which probably doesn't include ripping people off. He needs to know there are consequences. As someone earlier mentioned... Karma.

[604STIG]

And you didn't think to contact this guy using a different number when you saw his second ad?:facepalm: Instead you posted a warning on CL?:fulloffuck: You sure taught him a lesson he won't soon forget.

[no idea]

Unfortunately, the days of gathering a few buddies together to "straighten things out" are long past for me.

I had a feeling he'd be on here. Although surprised that no one knows of him yet. Guess it's early. Too bad, we really need to throw out the bad apples.

[GGnoRE]

lol let the hunt begin

[quasi]

Unfortunately, the days of gathering a few buddies together to "straighten things out" are long past for me.

I had a feeling he'd be on here. Although surprised that no one knows of him yet. Guess it's early. Too bad, we really need to throw out the bad apples.

You're a better man then me, I'm turning 40 this year and I would have tuned that asshole up or got my ass kicked trying if he did that to me and I was able to get a hold of him.

[no idea]

Ha, I've still got a few years on you still and yes the temptation was strong but have a family to support and my own personal and professional code of conduct to maintain in order to pay the bills.

[Xu.Vi]

Looks like he has a son too according to facebook!

[Aetios]

If you don't want to go the physical route, you should have at least gotten some friends to meet up with him for his wife's phone, then have them take a video and picture of him.

I personally would do a lot more than just take his photo if I met up with him again. That piece of shit would be begging to give me my money back.

[Not really racist!]

hahahahaha so SKETCH

deactivated his facebook, guilty as fuck bro

[Gumby]

hahahahaha so SKETCH

deactivated his facebook, guilty as fuck bro
If you log in to your facebook account, you will be able to access the link.

[wycked]

Exposed

[TOPEC]

isn't he the same dude that drives the white 370z with amuse body kit, specialized plates "akuma"? lol

[Not really racist!]

look at his RS profile, hes been to many meets and has friends on this site, has a big bromance with an MTPness

been to Bryne meets, Hoi An meets, etc.

[bcedhk]

http://i.imgur.com/F7wD3.gif

[no idea]

Thanks for the internet-Fu boys!
I didn't mention that when I met him at the Costco return counter he was trying to do some return that the Manager on duty said she'll do "... Only this time" and he says it was for his wife.
Hey I mentioned to him later that I was going back into store to buy a hockey bag for my kid but did he give a shit?

[TOS'd]

waiting until you can google his name, number, or linkedin and this thread is the first link..

[murd0c]

waiting until you can google his name, number, or linkedin and this thread is the first link..

especially when he's looking for a job. This guy fucked up and the RS Beatdown crew is working magic again.

[murd0c]

well his FB is gone so you know he's watching this thread now!!

[Presto]

Hey there.

[FerrariEnzo]

He's still active on here..

Last Activity: Today 02:18 PM


I bet hes checkin this thread actively to see the progress...

His LinkedIn profile is gone now too

[murd0c]

He's actually looking at this thread right now... I wonder if he will man up and say something...

[wycked]

Make sure you let potential employers know about this guy.

[FerrariEnzo]

I doubt he will.. If hes gone so far to take down his FB/LinkedIn profile...

His LinkedIn profile said hes owner of PNY Auto Parts.. What/where is this place?


I bet hes gona take down his youtube channel soon... lmao

[willystyle]

RS Witch Hunt!

[smoothie.]

Have fun getting kicked out of school Alex!

I'm sure the UBC code of ethics will help you OP.

[CRS]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/466/680/b0e.gif

[willystyle]

I wonder if anyone screenshot his FB and Linkedin. ;)

[Not really racist!]

shoot an email to the dean..... worth a shot

[snowball]

If he had left his linkedin and facebook up I would've waited for a legit response. But once you start deleting your accounts to avoid being tracked.... guilty. :whistle:

[Presto]

LinkedIn is gone, too.

[bcedhk]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk0tfjhLcG1qa10w1o1_500.gif

=Alex

[Not really racist!]

Last Activity: Today 02:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/oRHNryJ.png

[HonestTea]

I wonder if anyone screenshot his FB and Linkedin. ;)

I'm sure someone has a screenshot of it in their cache lol

[AKUMA_Z]

Hi everyone,

I was just notified by a friend who came across the thread. I will admit. I made a wrong decision in my life.

Please have mercy on me and allow me to straighten things with the OP. I sincerely apologize for the mess that I created here in the community.

I will be contacting the OP right away.

[Not really racist!]

Hi everyone,

I was just notified by a friend who came across the thread. I will admit. I made a wrong decision in my life. I recently had a baby and I was somewhat financially challenged.

Please have mercy on me and allow me to straighten things with the OP. I sincerely apologize for the mess that I created here in the community.

I will be contacting the OP right away.

you wouldn't have done shit if we hadn't gone on our witchhunt
scumbag

[HonestTea]

you wouldn't have done shit if we hadn't gone on our witchhunt
scumbag

Pretty much this. +10000

He probably would've continued to scam others if RS didn't go on this witch hunt.

[FerrariEnzo]

Hi everyone,

I was just notified by a friend who came across the thread. I will admit. I made a wrong decision in my life.

Please have mercy on me and allow me to straighten things with the OP. I sincerely apologize for the mess that I created here in the community.

I will be contacting the OP right away.
LMAO you have his been notified by someone?
YET you were in this thread like 20mins before DELETING all your accounts!!!!

[FN-2199]

Hi everyone,

I was just notified by a friend who came across the thread. I will admit. I made a wrong decision in my life.

Please have mercy on me and allow me to straighten things with the OP. I sincerely apologize for the mess that I created here in the community.

I will be contacting the OP right away.

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq328/GTdracula/ayvn8m.gif

[ricecookerboi]

In before Scammer goes missing the next morning on the 5 o clock news

[68style]

LOL!! I dont know, I'm gonna give him credit if he straightens this out, most people would have stubbornly Anthony'd that shit and kept on rollin' thinking they aren't doing anything wrong in whatever perverse world they live in hahaha

[?NR]

Thread closed. Parties in question will deal with this on their own accord.