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Feburary 3rd... get ready!

http://youtu.be/M-5HKThVcYw

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Watch Ken Block slide the 2016 Ford Focus RS around (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a24805/watch-ken-block-slide-the-2016-ford-focus-rs-around/)

We have additional details about the upcoming 2016 Focus RS from another trusted source, including power output, so let's start with that. With the Mustang GT's V8 holding down a 435 hp spot at the top of the Ford performance pecking order (for now, until the 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 emerges), the Focus RS is free to turn up the horsepower wick. Since the 2.3-liter Ecoboost is easily capable of more than its 310 hp output in the Mustang, which was dictated more by fuel economy concerns than anything else, the RS is free to pump out between 325 and 350 hp. The higher figure is more likely. This is because as a low-volume, niche product that doesn't compete with the Mustang GT, there's no reason to hold the Focus RS back.

To put the power down, Ford will employ an entirely new AWD system intended for high-output applications. It's not the same system employed on the Fusion, Escape, and MKZ. The new system will employ torque vectoring front and rear to aid handling, and after debuting in the Focus RS it will trickle down to other applications.

That means the Focus RS might have some high-performance AWD company in Ford's lineup soon.

[white rocket]

Never liked the Focus(or Ford for that matter) but I'm excited about the AWD system at that power level. New hot hatch to compete with the new CTR Turbo

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meanwhile, VW still hasn't said yes or no with their R400... maybe they will finally get off their asses and make up their mind:

http://youtu.be/EphfVrMw5pY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuztaVjpWug

it's going to be an all out war when the RS and the R400 finally meet.

[thumper]

on a side note... why is it we don't have this here?

Two Sumo Wrestlers try to get into a Ford Focus - Ford Door Edge Protector (Go Further) - YouTube

[Bender Unit]

Ford Performance Liquid Blue is on a roll.

[320icar]

So if it is an AWD car I may have to trade in my '14 focus St

[320icar]

Fuck this waiting game is killing me. I want to know more and see if it's totally out of my price range

[thumper]

Fuck this waiting game is killing me. I want to know more and see if it's totally out of my price range

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/641/298/448.jpg

[320icar]

gonna be honest though, im a little worried about how they will make it look. if they keep it like the current focus and just add some box flares and a bigger wing, everyone will be happy. but if they model it after that "facelifted" focus, it might be pretty ugly. im not sure if that facelifted one even came out in '15 like it was supposed to.

http://vtec.carthrottle.com/image/1/700/0/uploads/articles/focus-st-comparison-53ad2f07091a0.jpg
http://vtec.carthrottle.com/image/1/700/0/uploads/articles/focus-st-comparison-2-53ad2f1124626.jpg

the facelift one on top of course. i dunno maybe im just severely bias, but it looks like the facelifted one ate something sour. kinda like the impossibruuuuuu guy


http://resources.carsguide.com.au/styles/cg_hero_large/s3/FocusST_23.jpg
http://memecrunch.com/meme/28CH6/impossibru-guy/image.png?w=400&c=1


these are just some potential renderings. but if they made it look this aggressive, we would all be so happy and i'd trade in 100% regardless of cost.

http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/ford-focus-rs-2015-01.jpg
http://nsautoreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2016-Ford-Focus-RS-Redesign.jpg
http://www.skyinsurance.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ae-ford-focus-rs-rear.jpg

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just keep breathing 320icar... it will be all over soon one way or the other :lol

[68style]

So it might come out next year with...... Slightly more power than a stock STI. Interdasting.

[bcuzracecarz]

Pretty filthy numbers, price is issue for a Ford tho, but I'd still totally consider it if the performance is as promised

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b606/Sincereal/Screenshot_2015-02-02-22-36-29-1_zpsojuzlffx.png

[Timpo]

so what's the 0-60mph, 1/4 mile, skidpad, Nurburgring laptime and all that?

Is it actually faster than EVO and STi?

[BBMme]

I wished it looked like the first RS

[Teriyaki]

And... Leaked!

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/b47accd46bb455bbedce9fbb87e7e145/201492725/focusexterior4.jpg
Ford Focus RS leaked ahead of official debut (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/02/ford-focus-rs-leaked/)

[Bender Unit]

:yuno: where are those widebody fender ?

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http://youtu.be/_x6OAxFdWTI

http://youtu.be/s2N6kZW8SDc

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supposedly the live event is at http://www.gofurtherlive.com but the url is not working for me :confused:

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http://youtu.be/QQ6JqTMHcqs

i don't know what they put in the fruit punch at the christmas dinner gathering at ford but whatever it is, i hope they are still drinking it hard...

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2016 Ford Focus RS: This Is Your 320-HP, AWD Monster Hatch From Ford (http://jalopnik.com/2016-ford-focus-rs-this-is-your-320-hp-awd-monster-ha-1683323602)

Ford may be an American-based car company, but for too long they've kept one of their hottest offerings out of the hands of Americans. No more. Meet the 2016 Ford Focus RS, the 320 horsepower all-wheel drive monster hatch we've been waiting for.


2016 Ford Focus RS: This Is It
Here's our first glimpse of the 2016 Ford Focus RS, the turbocharged beastie that's set…
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The "normal" Focus ST is one of the best hot hatches around, coming to the table with a 2.0-liter turbo four with 252 horsepower and 270 pound-feet of torque. The Focus RS ups the ante with a 2.3-liter turbo four, sourced from the Mustang EcoBoost, with 'at least' 320 horsepower and 'at least' 320 pound-feet of torque. Yeah, that'll do.

What'll do even more is that the power is linked to a six speed MANUAL gearbox. A gearbox where you can select your own gear. This is wonderful, grand, delightful, excellent news.

Yes, the bestial, machine gun-like five-cylinder engine is good. It will be missed. But the 2.3-liter four is the future of small-displacement EcoBoost power, and it should be great.


Ford also announced the new RS has the one performance feature that hoons have been begging for the most: all-wheel drive. The last RS was front-wheel drive but largely free of crippling torque steer thanks to its RevoKnuckle suspension, but the new one will go full rally-grade with proper four-wheel power. And that's really where it should be these days.

And it's not your regular dumb all-wheel drive. The Focus RS has torque vectoring all-wheel drive that can send up to 70 percent of the drive torque to the rear axle, and 100 percent of that torque can be diverted to one wheel. It monitors conditions between the front and rear continuously in order to establish where all that power goes.

As expected, that AWD system (which was not totally expected), is paired with a revised and upgraded suspension with stiffer springs, sway bars, and adjustable dampers. It has electric power steering, but Ford promises "excellent feet."

We'll see.

In Europe, the RS will have standard Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, which is about as sticky as you'd want a road tire to be. As an option you can get the hardcore Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires as well. We better get those here too, for I need to hit the track and immediately ruin as many sets as possible.

Inside, it has some fantastic looking Recaro seats, but I have to say I'm not that impressed by the rest. Especially the steering wheel. It looks like it'd be more at home in a junkyard Festiva than a rally Ford. We'll have to see if it's terrible when we drive it (hint).

Outside, it gets more aggressive than the ST with a big wing, unique wheels, and unique front fascia that kind of looks like a mask. But apparently a lot more of the money was spent making the RS drive fantastically, which is just fine here.


We can't wait to see more as it makes its Geneva Auto Show debut in March and then makes its way to America, as Ford CEO Mark Fields has promised.

Good stuff from Ford these days, huh?

[BoostedBB6]

Decent looking for sure. Nice to see they finally are having the RS in North America.

[StylinRed]

looks sweet and that blue is gorgeous, wonder what the production blue will be like

[mb_]

Looks sweet, I like it. I wonder what Mazda will do with the Mazdaspeed 3 now that Ford has an AWD Focus.

[Gucci Mane]

Fuck this waiting game is killing me. I want to know more and see if it's totally out of my price range

it is :(. $40k US. i was also considering trading my truck in for one but its just too damn expensive.

[320icar]

Ughhh... I don't like how it looks. But I still might want one. Even at 40+ grand it comes in much cheaper than evo or sti

[heleu]

Really? You can get a base STI for $38K here.

If the RS is $38K in the states, it will be more expensive than the STI here.

I think the price will drop in a year after the initial buzz.

[320icar]

And what does a base sti come with...

When I was looking for my '14 ST, it was 32k. A 2011 sti was still 35k and the evo x even more. So I don't see how an sti could realistically start at 37

[brrrz]

And what does a base sti come with...

When I was looking for my '14 ST, it was 32k. A 2011 sti was still 35k and the evo x even more. So I don't see how an sti could realistically start at 37

The STI goes from $38-$45. You have to remember that its not a ford and is still worth something when it comes time to sell it.

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http://youtu.be/bHgPLT4_4Hs

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Really? You can get a base STI for $38K here.

If the RS is $38K in the states, it will be more expensive than the STI here.

I think the price will drop in a year after the initial buzz.

i am wondering if it is because the RS is built only in cologne germany. current exchange rates, duties and shipping costs cannot be working in favor of the final price...

[ilvtofu]

The STI goes from $38-$45. You have to remember that its not a ford and is still worth something when it comes time to sell it.

I wouldn't worry much about depreciation, rare(ish) and desirable Fords tend to hold their value pretty well. Agree that their regular cars aren't worth anything after a few years.

Lol @ STI starting at 38k, that model is so basic and stripped down it's not really good for anything but a track only build, don't think I've ever seen one on the road in that trim.

[320icar]

^^ exactly. But I wasn't gonna argue with that guy. Clearly not worth it :p base sti's feel 5 years old right out of the box (not including the 2015 maybe

[Timpo]

I wouldn't worry much about depreciation, rare(ish) and desirable Fords tend to hold their value pretty well. Agree that their regular cars aren't worth anything after a few years.

Lol @ STI starting at 38k, that model is so basic and stripped down it's not really good for anything but a track only build, don't think I've ever seen one on the road in that trim.

sorry man but this is NOT a Ford P68, GT, GT40 or classic 1969 Boss Mustang.

Perhaps Focus SVT did hold its value a bit better but not that well compare to other Japanese cars. Same as Neon SRT-4.

Sure, some Fords hold value so well that you can actually sell for more than MSRP but I can't see it happening with this car.

[Timpo]

I wonder if it's gonna be faster than the Civic Type-R.

I can see people comparing Focus RS to Civic Type-R more than EVO and STi.

HONDA VTEC TURBO :fuckyea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uob5R38SP-I

[GabAlmighty]

And I just bought a 14' ST... But like mentioned, I have a feeling the RS once it's all said and done is gonna be pretty expensive. A properly optioned out one I'm thinking will be mid 40's at least.

[Timpo]

on a side note... why is it we don't have this here? http://ehealthwoman.com/apple/images/9.gifhttp://financenot.com/image/images/23.gifwhat are you talking about? it'll be sold globally.

2016 Ford Focus RS - Exclusive First Details of AWD Hot Hatch (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a6342/2016-ford-focus-rs-first-details-exclusive-insider-info/)

[320icar]

Timpo you buffoon. We're not saying it will go up in value. We are saying the St was a good buy (as will the RS) and depreciation should be very limited. Not a tone sold. Most have been kept stock and so on. A mazdaspeed3 is more accurate to compare to an srt4.

[denham]

I'd have one of these over an Sti I think. Looks better and more exciting.

[trollguy]

I wouldn't worry much about depreciation, rare(ish) and desirable Fords tend to hold their value pretty well. Agree that their regular cars aren't worth anything after a few years.

Lol @ STI starting at 38k, that model is so basic and stripped down it's not really good for anything but a track only build, don't think I've ever seen one on the road in that trim.

i think the differences btwn a base STI and a loaded version isnt too much iirc...

you pay more for a sunroof, foglights, and slightly better speakers. . oh, and NAV.

unless subaru is offering a bare bones version with no radio?

[em1.ac]

I like the RS because it's smaller and more compact to an STi. I still can't believe I am choosing a FORD over a SUBARU right now. I do not like the new STi at all, The GC8, GD and 08-14 models of the STi we're great. The new one, looks in my opinion too big, too much like a family sedan and nothing screams rally. The engine has been the same for 2 generations now pretty much and it's time for SUBARU to step it up a notch and finally deliver something that's smaller, more powerful and has some rally inspiration in it again. Ford is going in the right direction with this RS. It's growing on me.

I guess also it's exciting, STI has lost that excitement factor for me. Again, lots of people will probably disagree with me especially the fan boys, even though I am a fan boy of SUBARU but in this case, I'd take that RS over an STI.

[320icar]

^^ Strong reading skill

edit: lol guy deleted his post. nevermind

[underscore]

The plastic bit in the grill looks like a mouth guard :heckno:

[twitchyzero]

rear fog light looks hella cheap...they need the ones you can find on JDM hondas
those taillights were nice when revealed 5 years ago but will be dated for a 2017 model (to presuambly 2020+)
everything else is superb though...overall i'm surprised how appealing it is even without a widebody...and focus is historically an ugly/ricer looking vehicle

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message board (from the guys who brought you wrxforums):

Focus RS Forum (http://www.focusrs.org/forum/forum.php)

[320icar]

I just got that email from focusst.org telling me about that website.

So how long do you think until dealerships will start getting info on the car. I'd like to go in and talk about my options as per ordering and stuff. I figure since it's only just February it will still be a while

[thumper]

it was wrxforums that sent me notice of this site...

when i went to test drive a 2015 mustang last weekend the salesperson did not have anything official and was relying on the internet just like the rest of us.

i would use that message board to ask your question, if someone hasn't posted it already.

[mlum6969]

I wonder how reliable this is going to be. Its pushing a lot of power out of a small 2.3L motor. Also I'd be concerned about a the AWD system.

[thumper]

that motor is currently in the 2015 mustang and tuners are hitting big numbers boosting it up so we'll have to see what happens between now and when the rs gets released.

i am unfamiliar with this awd system. do they use it on the wrc fiesta rally car?

[heleu]

AWD system sounds fairly similar to the Acura SH AWD system. It'll be interesting if it is superior to the Subaru or Audi AWD systems...

[Timpo]

^ who cares, GT-R's ATTESA AWD is better than Ford or anything else.

[vitaminG]

seems like open front diff with brake diff, no center diff, rear is a an eLsd with active torque vectoring

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qPjeclwz--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ctmzvpcotjlyoi6cmiyo.jpg

[thumper]

wow that's crazy. am i correct in understanding that this is set up to be more like a rwd car, ie. based on the amount of torque it sends back to the rear wheels and the elsd?

no wonder why it does those powerslides in the videos we've seen so far...

as for the torque vectoring being brake-based, will that mean under race conditions it could eat up pads and rotors quicker or unevenly?

[Timpo]

Torque Vectoring? what's so big deal about it...Acura had it for a long time and I'm quite certain that other car manufactures have been using that technology for a long time too.

[Galactic_Phantom]

^ who cares, GT-R's ATTESA AWD is better than Ford or anything else.

A GTR is also 3 times the price of this you fuck

[vitaminG]

Apparently it has a drift mode, that helps it drift somehow

[Timpo]

Apparently it has a drift mode, that helps it drift somehow

BMW was the first one to come up with drift control system as far as I know.

Drift Baby, Drift: BMW?s Countersteering Stability Control Coming Soon ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog (http://blog.caranddriver.com/drift-baby-drift-bmws-countersteering-stability-control-coming-soon-2014-ces/)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a6655/what-bmws-auto-drift-car-is-all-about/

[thumper]

http://youtu.be/wUlWuoXRUoE

[GabAlmighty]

wow that's crazy. am i correct in understanding that this is set up to be more like a rwd car, ie. based on the amount of torque it sends back to the rear wheels and the elsd?

no wonder why it does those powerslides in the videos we've seen so far...

as for the torque vectoring being brake-based, will that mean under race conditions it could eat up pads and rotors quicker or unevenly?

Most definitely; if you're a bitch and run with the TC turned on ;)

[thumper]

http://youtu.be/hDofgYyTxEg

[320icar]

I don't like the way it looks or sounds :(

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Why The Only 2016 Ford Focus RS In America Is A Half Million Dollar Car (http://jalopnik.com/why-the-only-2016-ford-focus-rs-in-america-is-a-half-mi-1693827701)

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kJpHxuuw--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/fllhe9gorgxd0defygc6.jpg

[multicartual]

I bet if I tossed the keys to any of you faggots probably like 1 in 100 could execute a drift in my 5.0 E36

[Manic!]

I bet if I tossed the keys to any of you faggots probably like 1 in 100 could execute a drift in my 5.0 E36

Dude your car only makes like 200 HP with a 5L engine.

[punkwax]

lol

[Akinari]

Dude your car only makes like 200 HP with a 5L engine.
https://youtu.be/HrfCixsd2N8?t=3s

[320icar]

FWIW, was at Ford today and got some hands on time with the 2015 focus ST. Definitely not as good looking looking as the 13-14. The only plus is that it has a back up camera, which wasn't an option on the pre facelift.

I think they will probably fuck up the price and put it way too high for the RS

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/8ChITfUI-tw

[BoostedBB6]

wow that's crazy. am i correct in understanding that this is set up to be more like a rwd car, ie. based on the amount of torque it sends back to the rear wheels and the elsd?

no wonder why it does those powerslides in the videos we've seen so far...

as for the torque vectoring being brake-based, will that mean under race conditions it could eat up pads and rotors quicker or unevenly?

Under normal driving conditions is 100% front wheel drive and can send up to 70% to the rear wheels under different circumstances. So it is basically a FWD Focus until the fun starts when its AWD.

[BoostedBB6]

Fuck this waiting game is killing me. I want to know more and see if it's totally out of my price range http://financehotela.com/yellow/images/37.gifhttp://financehotela.com/yellow/images/30.gif


Apparently they will be priced below the most optioned out EcoBoost Mustangs.....if that is the case then its going to be around 40K for one of these and given this ie a new motor, unproven drive train I would probably opt for an STi for that money....... I so wish they had the last gen RS here tho....I would love one of those.

[vitaminG]

Ford says the hot hatch’s “specially engineered 2.3-litre EcoBoost engine” is good for 345 horsepower and 324 lb-ft of torque to all four corners. The turbo-four shares the basics with the all-aluminum mill found on the Mustang, with upgrades including: a “low-inertia twin-scroll turbocharger with larger compressor”; “less restrictive intake design” for more breathing capability; larger intercooler and radiator for increased cooling; high-temp-resistant cylinder heads and high-tensile cast iron cylinder liners; and “a large-bore high performance exhaust system with an electronically controlled valve in the tailpipe that helps optimise the balance of back pressure and noise output.”

2016 Ford Focus RS Delivers 345 HP With 'Specially Engineered' EcoBoost Mill - The Truth About Cars (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/06/2016-ford-focus-rs-delivers-345-hp-with-specially-engineered-ecoboost-mill/)

[320icar]

The want is strong with this one

[ncrx]

Apparently it has a drift mode, that helps it drift somehow

since they're mentioning its a computer controlled clutch pack based diff, they're locking the rear diff when the inside rear is in the air and sending all the torque to the outside rear wheel.

they're also probably sending the majority of torque to the rear

cool gadgetry, but every bench racer fanboy doesnt realize, these fancy diff's require expensive fluids, maintenance, and when the pumps and electronic controls go... enjoy the repair bill

[multicartual]

Dude your car only makes like 200 HP with a 5L engine.


I could do more with 200 than you could with 500


:smug:

[Manic!]

I could do more with 200 than you could with 500


:smug:

That's 520. :smug:

[thumper]

at goodwood driven by ken block (thankfully he didn't crash it):
https://youtu.be/znpHcrMTHdk

[capt_slo]

US pricing has apparently leaked - $35,730

2016 Ford Focus RS Price Leaked: $35,730 » AutoGuide.com News (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/07/2016-ford-focus-rs-price-leaked-35-730.html)

So possibly in the $38k-40k range here to start?

[vitaminG]

2016 Ford Focus RS Hits 60 in Just 4.7 Seconds, Starts At $36,605 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/frankfurt-auto-show/news/a26711/2016-ford-focus-rs-hits-0-62-in-47-seconds-and-has-a-drift-mode/)

[brrrz]

Found out today from Ford Canada my dealership will be getting 6+ of these. Probably have to take one for a test drive...you know for product knowledge. We are also on the list to receive a Ford GT...don't think I will be able to take that around the block LOL

[320icar]

Are they all spoken for already via pre-orders or down payment? I wouldn't put a dp on one, but would like to see one in person before I decide if I'm gonna trade in my '14 ST

[brrrz]

We have got two of them spoken for already which I hear is about the same as all the other dealers out there. I have heard mixed rumors of them not beginning production until next spring or not available until next spring. Either way my guess is most of the first 2016models will be sold before they hit the lot at least for the first 4 months or so. Kinda like when the 15 mustang came. You had a better chance seeing one on the road then in a dealer now each dealer seems to have at least 2 of them

[Bender Unit]

MSRP for Canadian ?
$50,000+ ??

[320icar]

Should be around 39,999

[dru]

$46,969

Drift-able Ford Focus RS priced at $46,969 - Autos.ca (http://www.autos.ca/general-news/drift-able-ford-focus-rs-priced-at-46969/)

[Akinari]

Yeah...no

Not going to buy a turbo 4cyl hatchback when I can buy a badass V8 coupe for less.

[320icar]

You mean why buy a fast powerful practical car with a full warranty that will share lots of regular focus parts, instead of a v8 amg car with 90k car kind of maintenance?

[BoostedBB6]

Trying to bite into the STi/Evo world with a Ford.....I like the car but 50k is out of line IMO.
More money than a fully loaded STi but not proven at all.....and sounds like crap in that Ken block video to boot.

[Gucci Mane]

You mean why buy a fast powerful practical car with a full warranty that will share lots of regular focus parts, instead of a v8 amg car with 90k car kind of maintenance?

Or maybe he's talking about a 2015 mustang gt? But for me personally, if I were to spend that much money it would go towards a c6 z06 corvette.

[320icar]

Durr. Didn't think of that lol. A nice mustang GT with a sport pack should be pretty much the same price. Especially if you snag it around Ford employee pricing (or have a costco membership and get up to 1000 off instantly). Oh that would be a difficult choice...

[Gucci Mane]

Durr. Didn't think of that lol. A nice mustang GT with a sport pack should be pretty much the same price. Especially if you snag it around Ford employee pricing (or have a costco membership and get up to 1000 off instantly). Oh that would be a difficult choice...

i've been pricing them out, a base gt with track pack and recaro's comes out to just under $45k. i bet with employee pricing you could get it a little cheaper, thats if that promotion is still going on of course..

edit: employee pricing ends september 30th. better get on it soon!

i just priced out another one, comes to $40k with employee pricing. god damn, now i want one. lol

[brrrz]

There are 4 non premium mustang GTs with recaros left in the province... 3 of them are autos

[Akinari]

Or maybe he's talking about a 2015 mustang gt? But for me personally, if I were to spend that much money it would go towards a c6 z06 corvette.
I was referring to the Mustang GT :derp: without a doubt I'd much rather have a V8 Mustang which starts way less than the Focus RS does as well...loaded up is still cheaper.

Hell I wouldn't even mind an Ecoboost Premium with Performance Pack then slap on a Cobb tune.

[flagella]

You mean why buy a fast powerful practical car with a full warranty that will share lots of regular focus parts, instead of a v8 amg car with 90k car kind of maintenance?

Who the fuck cross shops AMG and Focus?

[vitaminG]

a mustang GT and a focus RS arent really a good comparo either, v8 rwd coupe or 5 dr turbo 4 awd. dont think too many people will cross shop.

real competitors are golf r $40k, sti $38k and even audi s3 $45k. focus might have a bit more tech and may be a bit faster, but i think id rather have any of those for cheaper and imo look better less boy racer look

although id rather have m235i for 45k than any of those...

[Nomomo]

May as well get an amg a45 if your gonna spend that much.

[320icar]

a mustang GT and a focus RS arent really a good comparo either, v8 rwd coupe or 5 dr turbo 4 awd. dont think too many people will cross shop.

real competitors are golf r $40k, sti $38k and even audi s3 $45k. focus might have a bit more tech and may be a bit faster, but i think id rather have any of those for cheaper and imo look better less boy racer look

although id rather have m235i for 45k than any of those...

Dunno buddy, sti's, golf R's and evos aren't really much cheaper. And you get (maybe) better tech and better performance? I dunno we'll have to wait and see once it's released. But I think I'd still rather have the focus Rs. I'm super bias tho

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2015 SUBARU WRX STI SPORT-TECH !! LIGHTNING RED METALLIC!! (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/5179364799.html)

[GS8]

I can say with fair certainty this car was never meant to be a high volume seller. Just a made to order car for people who just want it, also dealers who will gouge the shit out of it on the showroom.

I'm sure Ford's not complaining about it either. They showed us what they're capable of but they price it to the point of not having to mass produce it. Seems fine from a business standpoint. It's a straight niche car.

[Akinari]

a mustang GT and a focus RS arent really a good comparo either, v8 rwd coupe or 5 dr turbo 4 awd. dont think too many people will cross shop.

real competitors are golf r $40k, sti $38k and even audi s3 $45k. focus might have a bit more tech and may be a bit faster, but i think id rather have any of those for cheaper and imo look better less boy racer look

although id rather have m235i for 45k than any of those...
Golf R :sweetjesus:

[thumper]

interesting to see what people want to trade in for an rs... from jeeps to sti's:

What are you trading in? (http://www.focusrs.org/forum/11-focus-rs-purchasing/16-what-you-trading.html)

[vitaminG]

interesting to see what people want to trade in for an rs... from jeeps to sti's:

What are you trading in? (http://www.focusrs.org/forum/11-focus-rs-purchasing/16-what-you-trading.html)

lol all these guys trading in their recently acquired focus STs must feel like such dumbasses

might be a good time to pick up a focus ST though...

[320icar]

Now why would you say that.

Edit: if people who bought the ST in the market if fwd cars (such as myself) it's still. Great buy. Better performance, tech and lower price than the competition. Mazdaspeed 3, gti, Hyundai fwd turbo hatch thing, etc. So if we trade in, it's because we want into the AWD market like evo's and sti's. Doesn't mean we had a stupid buy in the hot hatch segment

[Gucci Mane]

one guy is trading in his focus st and a 360 spyder. another is trading in his 09 ranger rover supercharged.

da fuq?

[Marshall Placid]

Specs are good, but not keen on the interior...especially when the MRSP is (tentatively) around $46,000.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2017-Ford-Focus-RS-091-876x535.jpg

IMO, Golf R or the S3 are better alternatives.

http://theautoz.com/images/audi-s3-interior-9.jpg

I prefer the S3's lower profile dashboard (for a larger wind shield) and motorized screen (biased, of course), LED-lit cup holders, LED-lined speakers, MMI of course, and umm... the twistable titties :) (I meant... the air-conditioner vents).

[jasonturbo]

The interior is why I didn't wait for the Focus RS, it feels very child like inside to me.

Brilliant alternative to the STI though, far more refined than its Subaru counterpart I suspect.

Edit: I will also say the Golf R is a bit of a soft car + has no hand brake, hopefully it's still hoonable in the snow... if you're looking for something a bit more sporty the RS is probably a stellar buy - the S3 and MK7 R are the adults of the segment, super comfy inside.

[dared3vil0]

That interior is severely lacking for 46k...

[GabAlmighty]

lol all these guys trading in their recently acquired focus STs must feel like such dumbasses

might be a good time to pick up a focus ST though...

Lol, no. I traded in a 50k+ truck at 7% interest for a 30k car at 0% interest. Definitely don't feel like a dumbass. But thanks for coming out!

As for interior. I like mine, everyone who has sat in my car loves in (albeit the Recaros help a lot). Not that I've been in too many brand new vehicles but I like everything about my ST, which is essentially the same interior as an RS.

And no, I will not be trading in my ST for an RS.

[320icar]

This. Only thing I'd add to my interior is a flat bottom steering wheel

[Akinari]

Having been inside an A3/S3 in a showroom, it's miles above anything Ford could ever dish out. I would rock that interior all day everyday. So awesome, so driver focused, so simple and clean. LOVE.

[brrrz]

Thursday mailbag:

Focus will be only available in one trim level for Canadians(45-46K). Dealers WILL NOT be allocated any RS's but will build if a factory order is made. Meaning if you want one in the first year you better put down a deposit and order one.

Email statement I received from Ford Canada today:

"The all-new Focus RS is expected to be delivered to North American customers in the spring of 2016. The car debuts new Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive with Dynamic Torque Vectoring for outstanding traction and grip with unmatched agility and cornering speed, and features a specially engineered version of Ford’s new 2.3-litre EcoBoost 350 HP engine, which delivers 4.7-second 0‑100 km/h (0-62 mph) acceleration and hits 265 kph."

Ford released its Official trailer of its 8 part series that will start on September 30th that will be released as follows
Eight weekly episodes start on Sept. 30:

· Episode 1: Project kick-off – Block and Nair debate what the car should deliver, from behind the wheel of an early prototype

· Episode 2: Design and development – Crunching crashes put the new design to the toughest of tests

· Episode 3: Hitting the road – A 1,600-kilometre (1,000-mile) drive through epic terrain takes prototypes from high in the Rocky Mountains to the Arizona desert

· Episode 4: Test-track trials – Block heads for Ford’s top-secret test facility, and indulges in some “hooning”

· Episode 5: Arctic extremes – Winter testing in Sweden, and the team is under pressure to improve performance

· Episode 6: Power struggle – It’s all about performance, as the Ford manufacturing plant in Saarlouis, Germany, gears up for production

· Episode 7: Close scrutiny – The day of the critical sign-off drive follows Block’s headline appearance at the Goodwood Festival of Speed

· Episode 8: Final chapter – It’s time for the nail-biting management review

The series trailer is available to view here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdgAFY1fXAE

Happy Thursday :)

[Mr.Money]

45k :ahwow: so many higher power cars for that much.

[Galactic_Phantom]

^Like?

[brrrz]

Priced out fully loaded
Sport-tech STI - $47,045 (305hp)
Golf R w/tech - $42,010 (292hp)
Mitsubishi Evo - $48,758 (291hp)
Audi S3 - $57,000 (290hp)

[brrrz]

Tuesday Mailbag:

Ford Canada

Pricing

In Canada, the Focus RS in Canada will be offered in one fully-equipped orderable configuration with no free-standing options, except for the chargeable Nitrous Blue Quad-Coat paint. The RS MSRP is $46,969 plus $1,600 D&D and $100 Federal A/C tax. The Nitrous Blue Quad-Coat paint has a $995 MSRP.

The $46,969 MSRP includes heated power Recaro® leather seats, heated mirrors, heated steering wheel, SYNC® 3 with Navigation, Sony® Audio System with 10 speakers with SiriusXM® radio, Power Moonroof, RS Car Cover, 19” Premium Painted Forged Alloy wheels, 19” Michelin® Pilot Sport Cup 2 summer tires, Michelin® Pilot Alpin PA4 18” Winter Tire & RS Alloy Wheel Package (this winter tire/wheel package is shipped separately to the dealership), plus a whole lot more. A complete Order Guide and Price List will be published to dealers in the near future.

Innovative Ford Performance All-Wheel Drive

The control unit in the rear drive unit continuously varies the front/rear and side-to-side torque distribution to suit the current driving situation, monitoring inputs from multiple vehicle sensors 100 times per second. A maximum of 70 per cent of the drive torque can be diverted to the rear axle. Up to 100 per cent of the available torque at the rear axle can be sent to each rear wheel. The AWD system has been tuned to deliver exceptional grip – with lateral acceleration exceeding 1 g – and class-leading cornering speed and acceleration out of a bend.

Michelin® High Performance Summer and Winter Tires

High-performance 235/35 R19 Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires to complement the driving dynamics of the Focus RS. Ford Performance engineers have also approved the Michelin 225/40R18 Pilot Alpin PA4 winter tires and developed an 18” RS alloy wheel for cold weather applications. In Canada, a winter tire/wheel package will be standard equipment on the Focus RS and will be shipped separately to the dealership.

Brembo Brakes

For enhanced braking during hard track driving, the all-new Focus RS features 350 mm (13 ¾ inch) ventilated front discs and lightweight aluminium Brembo® four-piston monoblock calipers – painted in distinctive RS blue with a Brembo

RS Exhaust Sound

Ford Performance engineers have tuned the RS to deliver a rewarding and sporty sound character during spirited driving, with the distinctive burbles and pops that are a RS signature. This very special 2.3-litre EcoBoost unit will inspire drivers as they feel the surge of the turbo, and reward them as they take it to the red line – all delivered with a stirring sound guaranteed to put a smile on the driver’s face.

[320icar]

Sigh. They got the price point so wrong...

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/JDrwJAxJYCs

[thumper]

Sigh. They got the price point so wrong...

need to wait and see what the performance figures and real world comparison shows first.

should the evo be on the list above? i thought this was its last year?

[heleu]

Wow. Didn't expect it to price out a Golf R.

[Nabatron]

yeah the price is alittle on the high end...

[Vulgate]

For all those interested, the Focus RS Canadian Configurator (http://bpfoc.ford.ca/2016-Ford-Focus?branding=1&lang=en&gnav=header-cars#/Models/Technology%5BTechnology:GAS10%5D/Style%5BBodyStyle:BS-HC.TPOLevel:FOCUS-RS-CA%5D) is live.

There are no options

2016 FOCUS RS
Payment Summary
MSRP $46,969
Total of Options $0
Total Fees $1,700
Available Incentives 32$0
Taxes $5,841
NET PRICE $54,510

[brrrz]

Ford has stopped taking build orders for them or in other words they are sold out. Dealerships can still take a deposit and send in a build request but the chance of them building one for you in MY 2016 is slim to none. We have some expected arrival dates as far back as June/July 2016.

[jasonturbo]

Lol 52K for a Focus RS... that's 10K more than I paid for my Golf R.

It might be a good car, but as a value proposition, the Golf R is a much better buy.

[brrrz]

Lol 52K for a Focus RS... that's 10K more than I paid for my Golf R.

It might be a good car, but as a value proposition, the Golf R is a much better buy.

http://s30.postimg.org/ktpjpha41/golf_r.jpg (http://postimage.org/)


I don't disagree how much value you get for the price of the Golf R but it would only be 10K less if you didn't pay any taxes. Everyone sees value in different areas. Some might see lots of value with 58 more hp and 70lbs more torque, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires and wheels for summer and Michelin Alpin PA4 winters mounted on 18" alloy wheels for winter. Some could care less. This is why its great to have more then just the STi playing the market. Even with the S3 in the game now it might not be the fastest by any means but its by far the most expensive when you option it out but damn its nice :drool: to each their own

[vitaminG]

http://s30.postimg.org/ktpjpha41/golf_r.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires and wheels for summer and Michelin Alpin PA4 winters mounted on 18" alloy wheels for winter.

it comes included with winter tires? or is that an extra cost accessory?

[68style]

Why the fuck they force people to take winter tires and rims as a package? That's stupid... Take it out of the price and make it a bloody option instead of raping everyone on it hiding it in the MSRP, which I'm sure they are doing.

[jasonturbo]

Just in terms of power, the VW drive train can make crushing power with a flash and downpipe... if that's what you're worried about.

I don't see the RS listing winter tires/wheels are standard equipment... just the summers.

Here in Alberta it's a 10K discount if you go with the Golf R Base vs Focus RS... if you DSG and tech package a Golf R it's like 46.5K... which I also think is insane.

[68style]

I don't see the RS listing winter tires/wheels are standard equipment... just the summers.



"In Canada, a winter tire/wheel package will be standard equipment on the Focus RS and will be shipped separately to the dealership."

[jasonturbo]

It doesn't show up on the configurator lol It's not that I don't believe you.

[GabAlmighty]

Just in terms of power, the VW drive train can make crushing power with a flash and downpipe... if that's what you're worried about.

I don't see the RS listing winter tires/wheels are standard equipment... just the summers.

Here in Alberta it's a 10K discount if you go with the Golf R Base vs Focus RS... if you DSG and tech package a Golf R it's like 46.5K... which I also think is insane.

So you void your warranty to get into the same power class? haha.

I'm gonna go ahead and ASSume that the RS will be available in a "base" model next year. They just want their first gen, first year cars, to have all the bells and whistles.

I don't think the price is too far off just a smidge on the high side. But they could have made the tires/wheel combo option and save the buyers say $2000.

[underscore]

According to the TV ad I saw, all new Fords will come with summers and winters. While it seems like a good idea, most vehicles ship with shit tires, so if the supplied winters are just as bad it's more of an inconvenience then a perk.

[brrrz]

"Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires and wheels for summer and Michelin Alpin PA4 winters mounted on 18" alloy wheels for winter"

You will get highly rated winters and summers both mounted on alloy wheels both with TPM

[blackGS?]

I'm guessing dealers marked these cars up at least 5gs over sticker price.
Was checking prices on EVO final editions, some dealers have been asking 56-58gs.
In terms of rarity probably the same number of units released to Canada? 350?

[g-velocity]

$48.6k including frieght and pdi is not too much for a German made 340hp AWD hot hatch......
A Golf R with similar options priced at $48.9k with tech pack and F&P too.
A STi with Tech pack is $47.5k

[NNT]

Its pricey but not too overprice. the RS is made in Germany and pretty much same price as a STi. and its the closest thing come from Ford to the iconic Escort RS Cosworth that hit the market over 20 years ago. Now imagine if Lancia bring back the Delta Integrale or Toyota bring back the Celica GT-4.

[thumper]

ugh. i spoke to a salesperson from key west ford and he said the dealership was only allocated one RS for 2016 (not including any customer factory orders)... i don't know what it's like at the other dealerships but just how rare is this going to be? :confused:

[jasonturbo]

If anyone wants an RS and the local dealers say that they can't get you one, start calling small town dealers.

Worked for me with my MK7 R.

[thumper]

oh god my head hurts...

The Ford ordering process explained from start to finish (http://www.focusrs.org/forum/11-focus-rs-purchasing/908-ford-ordering-process-explained-start-finish.html)

[tofu1413]

man.. the world we live in today.


$50k ford focus :pokerface:

[brrrz]

Dealerships were not allowed to order a RS unless there was a customers name on the build sheet. First year is by factory order only. They want the RS to be exclusive and hard to get creating more demand (at least at first). Each dealership was allowed to order as many as they wanted until the contracted number of units built with the factory was filled. Following the old rule of "build one less then the people demand". The mark up is actually similar to an STI. Just because it's domestic doesn't mean it has 5-10k of markup. This is actually only true in the truck world tbh.
The order process is pretty easy for the RS because it only comes fully loaded. Only thing you have to chose is color. Ordering one will take as long and be as complicated as remembering how to spell your name

[jasonturbo]

Dealerships were not allowed to order a RS unless there was a customers name on the build sheet.

This is either not true, or the dealers are bucking the system.

I know of one dealer here that plans to have two of these in their showroom for sale.

This same dealer also offered me an RS if I wanted one, 100% he could get it for me.

Sauce: He manages the dealership, just talked to him 5 minutes ago and confirmed this.

Ultimately it should not be that hard to get one, is anyone here actually ordering one?

[320icar]

If I had he money, 100% but I'm fine with my focus st for $20k less

[tofu1413]

makes the ST focus tremendous value compared to RS.

[320icar]

Yeah. I mean, once I see an RS in person with the sick driveline, brakes, body kit and recaro seats I will probably feel a bit different. But I could go buy a fiesta ST used for less than the difference of trading the st and getting an RS. And could make that a stripped out track car lol.

I'm just rambling. Hiding on revscene to avoid conversation with the mother in law

[g-velocity]

man.. the world we live in today.


$50k ford focus :pokerface:

Don't forget it's a German made Ford.
A Golf R with less power costs the even more with the same amount of options equipped and STi/Evo are only $1000 cheaper.
Evo is
People pays over $80k for an American made MB or BMW.

[jasonturbo]

Don't forget it's a German made Ford.
A Golf R with less power costs the even more with the same amount of options equipped and STi/Evo are only $1000 cheaper.
Evo is
People pays over $80k for an American made MB or BMW.

I paid 42K for my Golf R taxes in, 6MT w/ Nav.

If you option out a Golf R with DSG it's no longer comparably equipped for one, and it's still far less money.

According to the websites:

My Base 6MT Golf
39995 + 1605 Freight PDI + GST = $43,680

Loaded DSG w/ Tech Golf
43410 + 1605 freight PDI + GST = $47,265

Focus RS Base (No fancy blue paint)
46969 + 1700 "Fees" + GST = $48,754
Though the website actually quoted me @ $51,103 after taxes.

Base STI
37995 + 521.25 "fees" + 1650 freight PDI + GST = $42,174

Sport Tech STI (Has NAV, probably the better comparison)
45395 + 521.25 "fees" + 1650 freight PDI + GST = $47,566

Evo MR
51998 - 2500 Incentive + 129.55 "fees" + 1600 freight PDI + GST = $53,788 (No Nav lol, with Nav it's $57,883)

Evo GSR w/ Nav
45982 -2500 Incentive + 129.55 "fees" + 1600 freight PDI + GST = $47,472

So then comparably equipped (Minus the fact that you can't get a Golf R w/ Sunroof/moonroof)

Golf R - $43,680
EVO GSR w/ Nav - $47,472
STI Sport Tech - $47,566
Focus RS - $51,103

Maybe I'm retarded, but from what I can see, Golf R still the cheapest, Focus RS still the most expensive, and there exists a massive 7400$ delta between the Golf and the Focus.

Disclaimer - There are no "fees" listed on the VW website, looking at the bill of sale for my R, I paid a total of;
$6.25 AMVIC
$20 Tire Levy
$100 Air Tax

[NKC ONE]

I've been trying to find an allocation for a while. Could someone kindly PM me and lead me to the right direction? Much appreciated.

[jasonturbo]

I've been trying to find an allocation for a while. Could someone kindly PM me and lead me to the right direction? Much appreciated.

PM sent

[g-velocity]

I paid 42K for my Golf R taxes in, 6MT w/ Nav.

If you option out a Golf R with DSG it's no longer comparably equipped for one, and it's still far less money.

According to the websites:

My Base 6MT Golf
39995 + 1605 Freight PDI + GST = $43,680

Loaded DSG w/ Tech Golf
43410 + 1605 freight PDI + GST = $47,265

Focus RS Base (No fancy blue paint)
46969 + 1700 "Fees" + GST = $48,754
Though the website actually quoted me @ $51,103 after taxes.

Base STI
37995 + 521.25 "fees" + 1650 freight PDI + GST = $42,174

Sport Tech STI (Has NAV, probably the better comparison)
45395 + 521.25 "fees" + 1650 freight PDI + GST = $47,566

Evo MR
51998 - 2500 Incentive + 129.55 "fees" + 1600 freight PDI + GST = $53,788 (No Nav lol, with Nav it's $57,883)

Evo GSR w/ Nav
45982 -2500 Incentive + 129.55 "fees" + 1600 freight PDI + GST = $47,472

So then comparably equipped (Minus the fact that you can't get a Golf R w/ Sunroof/moonroof)

Golf R - $43,680
EVO GSR w/ Nav - $47,472
STI Sport Tech - $47,566
Focus RS - $51,103

Maybe I'm retarded, but from what I can see, Golf R still the cheapest, Focus RS still the most expensive, and there exists a massive 7400$ delta between the Golf and the Focus.

Disclaimer - There are no "fees" listed on the VW website, looking at the bill of sale for my R, I paid a total of;
$6.25 AMVIC
$20 Tire Levy
$100 Air Tax

All right Keyboard Warrior,
I didn't realize the price of the R is actually price included.
However, why don't you compare apple to apple.
The RS comes with navi and moon roof which is equivalent to R with Tech pack/PDI/Freight makes it $43615 + tax and other fees.
RS still makes more power than the R by 60 more HP and 70 more lb/ft torque .
Its the most powerful vehicle amount the vehicles above.
You can argue all day about how expensive the RS is but fact is still a very high demand car.
BTW, the STi Tech pack is 47565 before tax which is 1000 less than for Focus RS.

[320icar]

Sure but I would take an RS over a golf R over and over and over. Personal taste, so stop arguing it

[jasonturbo]

All right Keyboard Warrior,


Lol

Base R still comes with Nav 6.5" screen, tech pack comes with 8" nav screen. Not that it matters, even a loaded DSG car still costs less than the RS.

You said a comparably equipped Golf R costs more than the RS which is incorrect. Go buy an RS if you want a one I don't care lol maybe you prefer how the RS looks or you feel you really need that extra 60hp on the street etc.

Sorry I stumbled into fanboy convo, I didn't realize that's what this thread is.

[thumper]

I've been trying to find an allocation for a while. Could someone kindly PM me and lead me to the right direction? Much appreciated.

contact ryan at key west ford.

https://www.facebook.com/ryanleverette.drives/?ref=br_rs

[underscore]

All I can say is that if the price is the big deciding factor between the two chances are you're wasting your money with either one.

[tofu1413]

or................


spend 40 ish k and could buy a nicely pre owned M3 from me :troll:

[thumper]

just a nibble of a test drive on the street/track...

https://youtu.be/oF4ml18x_XU

[Mr.Stubbz]

hopefully with the growth of fun hatchbacks, vw will bring over the polos and polo gti's :tears:

[tofu1413]

VW up! R.


:lawl:

[320icar]

man i really wish they did the RS on the '13 or '14 body. not a fan of the facelift at all...

[bcuzracecarz]

RS is up on the Ford Canada (http://www.ford.ca) site, fun to see the different colours but I could never justify that price for it... Deep coin even if it is a beast

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/Ftei3z4KS-4

[brrrz]

First shipments in Canada wont be until ~3rd quarter the first estimated arrival date is July. We will also find out if our two Ford GT requests will be approved by Ford Canada in the next 10 days! Rumor has it we will have a Ford GT at the Vancouver auto show this year. Nothing confirmed yet though.

[twitchyzero]

any ideas on the production numbers?

are these gonna become the next Cossies in terms of rarity? Is there any demand for the older RS in Europe?

[NKC ONE]

Still no luck finding one.

[akira112]

Friend managed to secure one out in Abby, you may have to venture further out if you want one.

[bcuzracecarz]

Buddy at Nanaimo Ford just said that they are ordering their one this week, all they were allocated and it's a huge dealer.... But that also could play into the "because island" trend

[blackGS?]

2016 RS just went for $550,000 at Barrett Jackson.
I'm assuming #000

[NKC ONE]

Went as far as Calgary to locate one and still nadda.

[dared3vil0]

What would you guys pay for an RS?

I'm not saying related to the actual price, but what price point would it need to be at for you to seriously consider it/buy it?

For me, in the $35k range.

[thumper]

a base ST is $35k...

i would have gone with $40k, but they come fully loaded and have to be built and shipped in from germany, which is expensive, whereas it's cheaper in the uk because you can get a stripped down base car.

[Mr.Stubbz]

yeaaaa, realistically speaking around 40kish would most likely be the magic number for myself and probably a large number of people, considering thats what the golf r and sti is generally around that price.

sits patiently and waits for jasonturbo to sell his R for a RS :troll:

[320icar]

I already told myself if it was $39,999 I'd trade in my ST and get one. But they blew that figure out of the water

[AzNightmare]

What would you guys pay for an RS?

I'm not saying related to the actual price, but what price point would it need to be at for you to seriously consider it/buy it?

For me, in the $35k range.

:seriously:

It's competing with STI / Golf R...

I would expect to pay STI, Golf R price range.
(and I'm not talking about base price STI, cause no one buys base STI)

[twitchyzero]

it starts at 36k USD...50k CAD is within reason...in its main market it's 30k GBP which is almost 60k in loonies (i'm assuming VAT is alread included though)

just from comments in this thread it seems like Canada's allocation is quite small...I don't see any reason to drop close to 40k

[StylinRed]

$49k?! that's the same as the gt mustang :crazy2: which I find already high priced

sweet car though but seems outrageous

[asian_XL]

2016 RS just went for $550,000 at Barrett Jackson.
I'm assuming #000

First 2017 Acura NSX sold For $1.2M at Barrett-Jackson. ResidentSleeper

[thumper]

yeaaaa, realistically speaking around 40kish would most likely be the magic number for myself and probably a large number of people, considering thats what the golf r and sti is generally around that price.

sits patiently and waits for jasonturbo to sell his R for a RS :troll:

don't forget the upcoming civic type r is just below the RS in price as well.

like someone said, the canadian allocation is very small, with dealer allocatíons barely amounting to one per dealership across canada, which compared to the US is barely anything. on top of that, there were many who put down deposits before production even started so that leaves pretty much nothing left... there will be more lamborghinis on the road here than this thing.

[dared3vil0]

:seriously:

It's competing with STI / Golf R...

I would expect to pay STI, Golf R price range.
(and I'm not talking about base price STI, cause no one buys base STI)

If I was buying an STi I would want the most basic one possible... Personally i'm not a fan of sunroofs, leather, navigation, heated this and cooled that.

I kinda want a stripped out Focus RS with nothing more than AC, good cloth recaros, and power windows LOL. I'm not saying it'll ever happen, i'm just saying that's what I want.

[NKC ONE]

I'm happy at just under $50k after tax all in.

[Mr.Stubbz]

don't forget the upcoming civic type r is just below the RS in price as well.

like someone said, the canadian allocation is very small, with dealer allocatíons barely amounting to one per dealership across canada, which compared to the US is barely anything. on top of that, there were many who put down deposits before production even started so that leaves pretty much nothing left... there will be more lamborghinis on the road here than this thing.

oh yea, totally forgot about the new ctr LOL

plus the new ctr has a lot of "nostalgia" for certain people, but in this day and age, the amount of people that want to buy a hot hatch and have it look obnoxious af is relatively in the minority.

Theres no denying that the new ctr is ridiculously fast but seeing as how honda has been out of the "fun to drive" market for almost a decade now *at least over here*, might be hard for normal buyers to want to shell out nearly 50k for a civic

[thumper]

but more of those nostalgic people who remember a different time when hondas were fast and fun will pay more for a civic (just look at itr prices right now) than they will for a $50k ford that only few can get who only know what a performance focus was from the old SVT or something out of european car magazines :(

[Mr.Stubbz]

i dunno though, most of those people are also totally aware that they can build a faster car with more of the nostalgic lightweight tossability than shell out more than double possibly for a vehicle thats untested for long term reliability.

also in a manufacturer standpoint, the new ctr might be even rarer than the new focus rs due to the fact that honda doesnt exactly have the statistical information needed to know if enough people are willing to actually buy the vehicle, its pretty easy for people online to join some random petition saying that they want the car over here and would be interested in buying one, but when push comes to shove and they actually have to spend their own money, they wont actually buy one. Whereas ford already has a proven portfolio of fun performance cars that the general public will actually buy.

[AzNightmare]

So who has 1 hour to spare for this in-depth review?
"don't be scared... you know, we divided them in chapters... in the video description..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBU_3m_78k

[thumper]

$49k?! that's the same as the gt mustang :crazy2: which I find already high priced

sweet car though but seems outrageous

base GT is around $38k msrp... but fully loaded it's something like $55-60k?

and then there is this: 2015 Ford Mustang Roush 610HP Supercharged RARE Fully Loaded (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/5354381092.html)

over $95k for a mustang... i just can't wrap my brain around that, roush or not :fulloffuck:

[320icar]

I'm not gonna watch it. Don't want to regret my decision to stick with ST

Thumper, when you say base GT, does that include brembo, recaro, LSD, all that? Or just a boring base mustang but with a 5.0... Cuz really as far as I'm concerned, the only point of a GT is the full track pack. Even if that means going with 2014 to get the good stuff

[Gucci Mane]

I'm not gonna watch it. Don't want to regret my decision to stick with ST

Thumper, when you say base GT, does that include brembo, recaro, LSD, all that? Or just a boring base mustang but with a 5.0... Cuz really as far as I'm concerned, the only point of a GT is the full track pack. Even if that means going with 2014 to get the good stuff

Track pack is a $3500 option and the recaro's are a $1500 option. I've priced out a base gt with track pack and recaro's and it comes out to about $43000 before taxes. So when he means base, it's literally base. Cloth seats, no fancy audio system or wheels.

[thumper]

I'm not gonna watch it. Don't want to regret my decision to stick with ST

Thumper, when you say base GT, does that include brembo, recaro, LSD, all that? Or just a boring base mustang but with a 5.0... Cuz really as far as I'm concerned, the only point of a GT is the full track pack. Even if that means going with 2014 to get the good stuff

base model 6spd manual with no options checked.

i know what you're saying. my 2011 is a track pack, with 3.73 gears, backup camera, and hids (halogens were stock back then). that's it.

check everything off and you get this (2015):

2015 Ford Mustang GT Premium Nav Backup Cam Lthr Perf Pkg 19' (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/5428204921.html)

wait for employee discount season, and use your $1000 rebate with your costco membership as well.

[Mr.Stubbz]

over $95k for a mustang... i just can't wrap my brain around that, roush or not :fulloffuck:

if you were to spend over 95k for a mustang though, theres a shelby gt550 in the richport ford showroom for like, 113k iirc :fullofwin:

[thumper]

6 min EVO review...

https://youtu.be/aEuY88zVyi8

dat exhaust brap brap brap :D

[320icar]

wish i had that exhaust popping...

[dark0821]

damn.... now I really want a RS

[vitaminG]

2016 Ford Focus RS vs. Subaru WRX STI, VW Golf R ? Comparison Test ? Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-focus-rs-vs-subaru-wrx-sti-vw-golf-r-comparison-test)

[bcuzracecarz]

Dat colour on the golf R doe :sweetjesus:

[320icar]

Did anyone check out the RS at the auto show? I was super unimpressed.

1. Hate that blue in person
2. Had the same seats as my ST, just embroidered with RS instead
3. Wheels are lackluster (one in auto show)
4. Still just personally not a fan of the facelift.

I'm happy with my ST

[Mancini]

Did anyone check out the RS at the auto show? I was super unimpressed.

1. Hate that blue in person
2. Had the same seats as my ST, just embroidered with RS instead
3. Wheels are lackluster (one in auto show)
4. Still just personally not a fan of the facelift.

I'm happy with my ST

You don't like the seats in your ST?

[320icar]

I do like them, but I expect an upgrade for an extra $16,000

[ilvtofu]

Did anyone check out the RS at the auto show? I was super unimpressed.

1. Hate that blue in person


Lol I love that blue, I'm sick of seeing Ford Escapes and base model Fiestas with what looks to be the same blue.

While I'm happy with my ST and that it was actually less than half the price of what they're selling the RS for it does leave a bit to be desired.
The Ecoboost motor delivers awesome around town drivability and fuel economy, feels very fast in city speeds but above 5000 RPM it runs out of steam. Fixable with a big turbo but that's something I'm not that interested in exploring at the moment. I'm very curious how the RS will feel on a 4th gear highway pull.

Having owned a Mk6 GTI with DSG that engine definitely felt more linear (stock for stock) despite putting out about the same power. In contrast the STI doesn't make much power down low and has noticeable lag but perhaps might have the best feeling engine on the track?

IMO VW has the best balance for a dual purpose street/track car and seems to do both very well. The R has the best interior, and a price point that is spot on for Canada and the Golf R would be my pick if I felt intrigued to replace my car. The only real question is 6MT or DSG but the car is definitely on my short list for next year.

[tofu1413]

drove a 2015 STI a few days ago and was pretty impressed......



are the Focus RS and Golf R really that much better...?

[brrrz]

First shipment of the RS from Germany to Canada left yesterday. Estimate of 90 day arrival. They are coming!

[jasonturbo]

First shipment of the RS from Germany to Canada left yesterday. Estimate of 90 day arrival. They are coming!

Odd, I've seen a picture of one landed in Halifax

https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/51a29b82-69b1-4c58-b616-d81f14228a0d-large.jpeg

Source

https://www.linkedin.com/company/metro-ford

[thumper]

i thought the one pictured above was a press car? :confused:

[!Aznboi128]

press car eh.... time to get my hands on one

[Xander]

press car eh.... time to get my hands on one

I heard all the local ones have been sold for a lot more than MSRP. I got invited to join an auction, I told them to eat it lol

[tofu1413]

^ yep.


all sold over MSRP. up to 15k :lawl:

[Nabatron]

I honestly dont know what all the hyp is about wih this car? its an over priced focus and still a ford..

[320icar]

Pretty narrow minded view for a car guy

[twitchyzero]

I honestly dont know what all the hyp is about wih this car? its an over priced focus and still a ford..

you can say that about just any high performance hatches
as already mentioned this thing is probably more German than your average Mercedes.

[Xander]

^ yep.


all sold over MSRP. up to 15k :lawl:

I was supposed to pick one of these up before I was looking at BMW's and looking for and ultimately picking up an ISF. But the dealer I was working with didn't communicate with me at all.

Two days ago they asked me if I was still interested in one.

[NKC ONE]

Had one offered to me at $5k premium. Pass.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Is this only for a limited production run?

[brrrz]

All sold over MSRP?

Either a lot of bad he said she said going on or people just going to the wrong dealer. Each one we were allocated didn't go for a penny over MSRP.

Might be why we already have a deposit for a 2017...

[bcuzracecarz]

I am honestly baffled where all the hype is, I get its a performance benchmark for the hot hatch and all the "history", but *&#$, it's still a focus interior with a fancy seat and plastic erywhere. I feel like it'll be a big rush of orders then once they're actually delivered and people get to physically sit in them, the buzz will drop off... Also I love Ken block and all, but the hype around the drift button is waaaay too much, it'll end with a bunch of people in polls in crystal mall parking lot. Now if only Subaru would pull their head out of their ass and throw the JDM motor in and bump the power...

[Xander]

All sold over MSRP?

Either a lot of bad he said she said going on or people just going to the wrong dealer. Each one we were allocated didn't go for a penny over MSRP.

Might be why we already have a deposit for a 2017...

I got offered to join an auction. I think it was Key West. How many did you guys get allocated? I heard there was only 200 allocated to Canada.

[Xander]

I am honestly baffled where all the hype is, I get its a performance benchmark for the hot hatch and all the "history", but *&#$, it's still a focus interior with a fancy seat and plastic erywhere. I feel like it'll be a big rush of orders then once they're actually delivered and people get to physically sit in them, the buzz will drop off... Also I love Ken block and all, but the hype around the drift button is waaaay too much, it'll end with a bunch of people in polls in crystal mall parking lot. Now if only Subaru would pull their head out of their ass and throw the JDM motor in and bump the power...

One can only hope... :s

[320icar]

I am honestly baffled where all the hype is, I get its a performance benchmark for the hot hatch and all the "history", but *&#$, it's still a focus interior with a fancy seat and plastic erywhere. I feel like it'll be a big rush of orders then once they're actually delivered and people get to physically sit in them, the buzz will drop off... Also I love Ken block and all, but the hype around the drift button is waaaay too much, it'll end with a bunch of people in polls in crystal mall parking lot. Now if only Subaru would pull their head out of their ass and throw the JDM motor in and bump the power...

Have you even been in the new focus? I absolutely love my ST interior. Wayyyyy nicer than the mazdaspeed 3 and sti interior (of the previous generation, not been in the new sti yet)

[underscore]

Hopefully they don't end up like the i8's, everything super hyped and then 3 months later tons of them with low k in on trades.

[thumper]

I am honestly baffled where all the hype is, I get its a performance benchmark for the hot hatch and all the "history", but *&#$, it's still a focus interior with a fancy seat and plastic everywhere. I feel like it'll be a big rush of orders then once they're actually delivered and people get to physically sit in them, the buzz will drop off... Also I love Ken block and all, but the hype around the drift button is waaaay too much, it'll end with a bunch of people in polls in crystal mall parking lot. Now if only Subaru would pull their head out of their ass and throw the JDM motor in and bump the power...

but *&#$, it's still a focus interior with a fancy seat and plastic everywhere

i could substitute "focus" with "STi" or "Evo" and most of the above would still apply. Yes, the drift button could be considered to be a gimmick, but it is what sells in its intended market.

[GLOW]

I honestly dont know what all the hyp is about wih this car? its an over priced focus and still a ford..

competitors will now offer a "rarry mode" button and be able to sell their cars for $15k over MSRP too Kappa :troll:

[Galactic_Phantom]

I heard there was only 200 allocated to Canada.

For its entire production or just the first MY?

[Xander]

The first MY. But then again, that's just what I heard, I was hoping brrrz would chime in.

[jasonturbo]

Unrelated, but any of you Ford geeks know what the pricing for Canada will be on the 2017 F150 Raptor?

I might have to buy a work truck again, wanting something with a high douche factor.

[Mr.Money]

I say 70 grand canadian for SuperCrews

[Gucci Mane]

I say 70 grand canadian for SuperCrews

lol. probably more.. the 2016 f150 limited supercrew is about $75k. i wouldn't be surprised if the raptor was pushing $80k+

[jasonturbo]

US pricing is supposed to be 50-55K MSRP, I can't see Ford asking for much over 70K CAD.

Then again they priced the Focus RS too high IMO.. so maybe I just don't get it.

I also worry about the reliability of the fancy new drivetrain... and could live without the paddle shifters.

[320icar]

LOL guys a 2013 raptor is still 65+. They were over 80 new.

[Gucci Mane]

US pricing is supposed to be 50-55K MSRP, I can't see Ford asking for much over 70K CAD.

Then again they priced the Focus RS too high IMO.. so maybe I just don't get it.

I also worry about the reliability of the fancy new drivetrain... and could live without the paddle shifters.

just lease a lariat or something

[jasonturbo]

My Ford guy tells me no official pricing yet, expect 80-85K+ CAD.

Ouch.

[brrrz]

I got offered to join an auction. I think it was Key West. How many did you guys get allocated? I heard there was only 200 allocated to Canada.

Almost every dealer across Canada was allocated one RS and I think there are about 100 in BC alone. Originally Ford said the RS was only going to be a 2 year model run but last week they announced they will bump it up to three. My guess is they will end up doing a 4 year run with these. The Ford GT is the one getting 250 per year with a two year run.

I did hear that dealers were doing an auction on these. But not to name names but there are also other dealers out there who make fake window stickers and replace them with the Ford window sticker with a $5k,$10K+ extra mark up. There is one particular auto group owner who is known for this. We dealer traded in a truck with a MSRP of $58k and a dealer forgot to take off their window sticker which listed the truck at $71K...gross

Unrelated, but any of you Ford geeks know what the pricing for Canada will be on the 2017 F150 Raptor?

I might have to buy a work truck again, wanting something with a high douche factor.

Ford has not given Canadian dealers access to build a Raptor yet but our guess would be around $80K

[brrrz]

Order bank for 2017 RS's opens this week :D

[thumper]

Order bank for 2017 RS's opens this week :D

how long does it take for the car to arrive once an order is placed?

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep10ChjKVuQ

Oh look, Fatt Marah leased one. We'll see how soon till he trades it off :troll:

[brrrz]

how long does it take for the car to arrive once an order is placed?

No word yet but id guess 6 months+. We already have 4 in our order bank. Also no word on how many Ford will allocate this time around.

[thumper]

i went to metro...

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13613393_10154301822958134_4941480886521497082_o.j pg

nice, but not for what they want for it :(

salesperson told me there are only 3 here, one i know was sold by key west, and the other i don't know... roughly 30 units total in all of canada.

[320icar]

I was told the dealership in salmon arm got one but doubt that's true. It was probably straight ordered in if anything

[brrrz]

Here is the window sticker for the one at metro


https://s32.postimg.org/e19bv0j4l/image.png (https://postimg.org/image/568hkhuc1/)

There are 4 on the island and 3 in the lower mainland and a few up north. Alberta already has 8 of them. No salmon arm but its quite funny seeing some of the dealers that got one.

[thumper]

wow. and metro wants how much again? meh.

[hud 91gt]

Cool car. 50g's cool? It's still a Focus. And I like Focii

[AzNightmare]

Focus ST's already seem super rare. I guess spotting a RS on the street would be next to impossible with such limited quantities. lol

[fishCak3s]

Focus ST's already seem super rare. I guess spotting a RS on the street would be next to impossible with such limited quantities. lol

3 Ford expats drives the Focus ST and 2 has the Fiesta ST here at work:badpokerface:

[Nabatron]

lol the price of this car is getting out of hand...its still a focus and its still a ford...

[CorneringArtist]

lol the price of this car is getting out of hand...its still a focus and its still a ford...

I have a feeling the Type R is going to be as bad as this, if not worse.

[Nabatron]

^100% agree

[tegra7]

Following in the footsteps of its cousin: https://youtu.be/dpHx7iPNYVc

[bcuzracecarz]

https://i.imgflip.com/17d8g5.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/17d8g5)

[Galactic_Phantom]

I have a feeling the Type R is going to be as bad as this, if not worse.

Is the Type R expected to be full production or limited?

[twitchyzero]

i mightve already said this but isn't it 40k us? 50k cad sounds like a deal if no dealer markup.

[jasonturbo]

i mightve already said this but isn't it 40k us? 50k cad sounds like a deal if no dealer markup.

You could apply that to any vehicle right about now, Canadians are getting much more new vehicle for the dollar than our American counterparts.

IE: My GT4 configuration is 107k CAD vs 96k USD, roughly 17k CAD discount or 15%.

Friend of mine might be out driving an RS this weekend, I'm going to see if he'll let me drive it :)

[Mancini]

Matt Farah has it right. All of the other reviews focused (pun intended) too much on drift mode. Matt gave a good impression of build quality, power delivery, driving dynamics, adaptive dampers, etc.

[thumper]

2016 Ford Focus RS - $55664 Focus RS (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/ctd/5680104530.html)

http://images.craigslist.org/00303_hzJTTqRHBdI_1200x900.jpg

[tofu1413]

no test drives....


but what if I dont like the way it drives..... :lawl:

[Nabatron]

just noticed the car only has front brembos and not rears dafuq is this shit?

[Nabatron]

also they don't get the same recaro seats as the euro version which are legit bucket seats!

[Nabatron]

^just found out you get the option in the states for rs2 package which you can get the recaro bucket seats with no adjustable head rest....Canada gets only the normal recaro ones with adjustable head rest...