[BeefCake4000]

http://youtu.be/lGVWojMMeg4

3.8 litre
385hp
6 speed Manual gearbox
$84,600 USD

[123654123]

radio buy now!!

[ZN6]

http://www.kuzabiashara.co.ke/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Empty-wallet.jpg

:okay:

[Bender Unit]

911 3.8 engine in the middle of the car with 6 speed manual.

Thank You, Porsche :bowjerk:

:QQ: They heard our prays for manual.

[radioman]

Time to put a deposit down.

I dont need to eat.
or live in a home.

Maybe I can sell a kidney :pokerface:

[smoothie.]

buy it new radio.

warranty

new car smells.

who needs food?

[StylinRed]

that's hot

[fliptuner]

Time to put a deposit down.

I dont need to eat.
or live in a home.

Maybe I can sell a kidney :pokerface:

This should help:

http://foodsafety.suencs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Indomie_pack.jpg

[Speed2K]

Go all the way radioman, European delivery!

[radioman]

This should help:

http://foodsafety.suencs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Indomie_pack.jpg

$3 a day! $1000 to feed myself for the year?!? That'll work!

[jasonturbo]

Three months ago I put a deposit down to secure the first GT4 of an unnamed dealers allocation.

Details to follow once I know more, if I can't get a PTS car with euro delivery I will probably pass. #jaded

[StylinRed]

what about the targa 911 though :drool:

http://files2.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/normal.jpg?pool=multimedia&type=image&id=rd-2015-homepage-banner-ww-911targa4gts-kw05&lang=none&filetype=normal&version=d69de572-a157-11e4-b849-001a64c55f5c

[denham]

This ticks a LOT of the right boxes for me. I'd definitely consider picking one up used in a few years time.

[Speed2K]

On Jalopnik! (http://jalopnik.com/porsche-cayman-gt4-this-is-it-1683600199)

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8_kYLl6V--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wlvhzgvewefhaotjb8ko.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XD69iiJ3--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/xob98dcfirdhxzolyig8.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7dWT8bBA--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/u85oxu69dod37lggo9nj.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--4YvexiCo--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/kgxfr7zgwsbjq9d8yafh.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--KH03CCZ9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/mc9j3nrebgq7o9789gjm.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Q9_QKKuS--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/n4fpikmc4d9fgckapdgh.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1KxzeJyu--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/pxiqu6elkmmvpdu1e44z.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--y-OkgX0R--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lryqn6z6p8rkr7xazgtn.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6bFfld5z--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/afzx1x7jsy54w98knpmf.jpg
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MkbUMpv6--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/tsp940k9kc1ndtgwaf1m.jpg

[Timpo]

Fuck I don't see the point of Cayman, it's just a fucking Boxster with roof on it. I'd rather have a Boxster with less money.

I am however, impressed with Nurburgring lap time of 7:40 though. That is faster than Camaro ZL1, Pagani Zonda S, Audi R8 V10 and last gen 911 GT3.

[Energy]

Its power is transmitted by a standard six-speed manual gearbox with dynamic gearbox mounts – there is no PDK transmission option

YES

[Z3guy]

I wonder what the weight savings are? Whoops, just watched the video 1340kgs

[Timpo]

YES

why are people so against dual-clutch paddle shift, traction control, ABS, stability control, launch control, synchro rev-match, etc?

I think technology advancement is a great thing especially for high end cars.

If you wanna simple go-kart sort of cars, there are other cars for you.

[bicboi]

Still not a huge fan of the rear. Everything else looks amazing though.

[denham]

why are people so against dual-clutch paddle shift, traction control, ABS, stability control, launch control, synchro rev-match, etc?

I think technology advancement is a great thing especially for high end cars.

If you wanna simple go-kart sort of cars, there are other cars for you.
A lot of us still enjoy the feeling of controlling a car without computers, that's all. I think it's fine that there is the option of dual clutch, paddle shift, rev-match, etc but for a lot of us the feeling of nailing a heel-toe shift and driving a car well without electronic aids is half the fun. That said certain cars (like a GTR maybe) suit paddle shift more than others (like an Elise) IMO.

[white rocket]

That actually looks pretty fucking awesome. Nice specs too. I always thought the Cayman was a ghey younger Boxster brother(also ghey) but I have been swayed.

[xjc11]

looks amazing. I wonder how this will compare to the BMW M2

[westopher]

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
I wish I had a better paying job.
This and the M2 are the only non supercar cars I have been so excited about in a long time. (and honestly more excited about than almost any supercars as well)
I have heard from a very reputable source that dealerships have taken 4x the amount of the deposits of the cars that are being, and ever will be built not knowing porsche was going to do such a limited production. These are going to double in price the moment they drive off the lot.

[Mr.Money]

i'll wait for Porsche Cayman GT4 Turbo S,need that 540hp.

[Z3guy]

I am very intrigued about the GT4 when it gets PDK. For a tight track like Mission, I think this is going to surprise allot of more powerful and expensive cars.

[GLOW]

if radio can retrofit one of these to live in he might be able to make it work
http://www.uhaul.com/reservations/images/Equipment/Trailers/Open4x7Large.png

[Nabatron]

car looks sick but unfortunate I cannot affords!

[Timpo]

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
I wish I had a better paying job.
This and the M2 are the only non supercar cars I have been so excited about in a long time. (and honestly more excited about than almost any supercars as well)
I have heard from a very reputable source that dealerships have taken 4x the amount of the deposits of the cars that are being, and ever will be built not knowing porsche was going to do such a limited production. These are going to double in price the moment they drive off the lot.

I am confused about the term supercar sometimes.

This Cayman can beat a lot of so called "supercars"
Pagani Zonda, DeTomaso Pantera, Lamborghini Diablo, Ferrari 360 Modena, Ferrai Testarossa, Ferrari 550 Maranello, Lamborghini Countach, Isdera Commendatore 112i, etc..

...despite the performance, it's not considered a supercar just because it's an entry level Porsche, or maybe how plain it looks, how cheap it is, whatever it might be.

[ZN6]

I am confused about the term supercar sometimes.

This Cayman can beat a lot of so called "supercars"
Pagani Zonda, DeTomaso Pantera, Lamborghini Diablo, Ferrari 360 Modena, Ferrai Testarossa, Ferrari 550 Maranello, Lamborghini Countach, Isdera Commendatore 112i, etc..

...despite the performance, it's not considered a supercar just because it's an entry level Porsche, or maybe how plain it looks, how cheap it is, whatever it might be.

Because performance is relative to the era of car and is a moving yardstick.

Was there a Veyron to benchmark when the countach was new? No.


385 Horsepower 2 decades ago would still be sub-supercar class. In the mid 90s, supercars still had around 500+ Horsepower. McLaren F1, F50, Diablo, like you mentioned, cars you would find in Need For Speed 2 (Epic game by the way)

3 decades ago in the 80s then it'd be supercar class.

Today 332 horsepower is achievable by a car worth less than $50,000 (370Z).

Hyundai Genesis 5.0 Sedan achieves 420HP under $60,000.

Price and cost to produce it along with material to create it and manufacturing process is probably a better measure of what makes a super car a super car, or a hypercar a hypercar.

[hud 91gt]

Been waiting for this since the the cayman came out! Awesome piece of machinery.

[bumsuck]

The GT4 configurator is live on Porsche.de

[StylinRed]

Hyundai Genesis 5.0 Sedan achieves 420HP under $60,000.

$62 (before adjustments + etc which = 63) :P

[fliptuner]

Three months ago I put a deposit down to secure the first GT4 of an unnamed dealers allocation.

Details to follow once I know more, if I can't get a PTS car with euro delivery I will probably pass. #jaded

I guess I'm way behind the game. Seems like more people have deposits down than there are allotted units.

Snooze u lose. :okay:

[jasonturbo]

Here's what I know

- As of this morning, my dealer has a total of 5 deposits for GT4, 3 deposits came in within 24hrs of the announcement. No dealers have received a confirmed allocation yet in Canada… USA maybe, but doubtful.
- My dealer had an allocation of 5 991 GT3's, they begged and leaned on Porsche and managed to get a sixth since the buyer was a returning customer among other cars, owned a 918 Spyder.
- They are not limited production cars, but at the same time, they are. The assembly line will be modified for a short time period for a GT4 run, that will largely determine the total number of cars they make; however long they can stop making boxsters and standard caymans.
- Porsche Canada has the German options/spec catalog up on the website, at this time there is no pricing or availability for Canadian options.
- German market does not "appear" to get PTS (Paint to sample), so it's doubtful in North America that we will get this option, but I know a lot of people will be asking for it… so who knows.
- Euro delivery is a go!
- 991 GT3RS will ONLY be available with PDK, base GT3 will LIKELY be available as a 2016/2017 model with a 7MT. (Potentially crushing the 997 value increase trend)

I'm going to look hard at the options catalog and figure out my configuration tonight, I can approximate prices based on the Cayman GTS price list for now.

Still not sold, though I do think 997 GT3 will become a more affordable car over the next two years between this car and the likely release of a 991 GT3 MT.

Edit: My one fear is that owning a Cayman GT4 I would miss the hips of the 911… it's that big fat ass that I love some much.

Eidt #2: Porsche USA GT4 configurator is up, my build worked out to 94K USD, there appears to be NO PAINT TO SAMPLE which is totally geh!

[Stook]

I feel GT4 is very good value consider it has brakes/ suspension from GT3 and a carrera engine plus alot more fancy parts that aren't on the s and gts. Well worth the 10k over the GTS i have to say. Wish I could order one.

[m_coupe]

The configurator is now live on the Canadian website!

[jasonturbo]

Did my config, the only options I really took was sport seats, extended leather with guards red stitching, carbon fiber interior trim, and metallic paint - 110k.

Imagine that adding PTS (If it was an options) and PCCB you're at nearly 130K landed :s

I've pressed the dealer to find out if Porsche will do any PTS, if they won't, I won't buy one.

Edit: I would still be perfectly contect to focus on a 997 GT3 RS, wish I had room/time for a nice hot rodded 964 :(

[westopher]

I would be much less excited to buy a new car of this type if I couldn't do some sort of special paint. Hoping BMW lets M2 purchasers do the individual program.

[Mancini]

why are people so against dual-clutch paddle shift, traction control, ABS, stability control, launch control, synchro rev-match, etc?

I think technology advancement is a great thing especially for high end cars.

If you wanna simple go-kart sort of cars, there are other cars for you.

You may as well ask why an enthusiast would be against driverless cars simply because the technology is better.

[Stook]

I think pts is possible it may take a little time to get approved. What color are you think? So far my fav Porsche non standard colour is blood orange.
on the 991 gt3, we could get pts here in Canada, but it was not available in USA .

[StylinRed]

I can't deal with PtS...I would never end up buying a car because I would just be stuck going through all the possibilities :lol

It'd be great if you had an idea beforehand of exactly the colour you wanted but if not, omg

[jasonturbo]

What color are you think? So far my fav Porsche non standard colour is blood orange.

RS Green would have been my instinctual choice, not to be confused with viper green.

but… looking at the dimensions of the car and considering its presence, I think maybe Voodoo Blue would be a nice choice :)

Voodoo Blue;

http://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1024x680/80-porsche_991_gt3_c342508112014163555_2_3cac4acc627b da6f3b2fc9c7b8aed9199025866b.jpg
http://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1024x680/80-porsche_991_gt3_c342508112014163555_8_ed0ed5f8679f efcbc6887d189ee86a90304a667d.jpg

Edit: More rumors, 918 owners received letters informing them that they get priority, supposedly a total of 700 GT4's being produced - limited production run.

[smoothie.]

LAGUNA BLUE BRO

[Stook]

That's a nice colour. good to be different from every other riviera or mexico blue.

If its indeed 700 units only, this car will be the next 4.0 RS. collectors/918 owners will buy them all.

[bumsuck]

I'd go with Signal Green with Signal Green wheels and Signal Green stitching :megusta:

[StylinRed]

Aetna Blue

http://www.influx.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Porsche-356-105-1-of-1.jpg

or a green...

http://sloancars.com/wp-content/uploads/inventory/824_web.jpg

http://cprclassic.com/images/portfolio/AuratiumGreen59ConvertibleD/900W/175.JPG


something from their early colour chart.... :megusta:

those colours may not look right on a new one though :/ (aetna is a bit too popular though)

[radioman]

More 918s then GT4s :fuckthatshit:

[freakshow]

Theres no way this will be a 700 car worldwide production run

[jasonturbo]

Theres no way this will be a 700 car worldwide production run

Agree, I can't see it being so limited.

That's why they call them rumours ;)

[radioman]

Add an extra 0 so I can believe I can get one in 6 years.

[kchan]

man the cayman gt4 is so beautiful

i love everything about it - cant wait to start seeing these on the roads or more importantly the track

probably more superior in almost every way compared to the exige damn..

[Stook]

man the cayman gt4 is so beautiful

i love everything about it - cant wait to start seeing these on the roads or more importantly the track

probably more superior in almost every way compared to the exige damn..

Time to order one before its too late :)

[kchan]

Time to order one before its too late :)

cant give up on my dream car :hotbaby:

[jasonturbo]

Got an email from my dealer today saying PTS might be on the table, they will have an answer back from PNA next week supposedly on my Voodoo Blue!

[denham]

Has anyone seen any numbers for the weight of the GT4? I'd be interested to see how much they've shaved off a stock Cayman.

[radioman]

Watch the video. He talks about places where weight is added. Suspension and engine and some where weight is reduced. Wheels etc. I wouldn't be shocked if it was close to the same weight.

[Timpo]

man the cayman gt4 is so beautiful

i love everything about it - cant wait to start seeing these on the roads or more importantly the track

probably more superior in almost every way compared to the exige damn..

oh fuck that, Exige is far better than Boxster.

The Exige will give you more raw driving experience, whereas the Boxster is more of a luxury car.
and I'm sure Exige is lighter too.

Also the Exige will stand out more on the road than the Boxster.

[Timpo]

I really don't understand why air-cooled Porsche hold up value so much.

$249,900 :suspicious: 1989 Porsche 911 For Sale - 987510 - duPont REGISTRY (http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/1989/porsche/911/987510)

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/remote.jpg.ashx?404=default&width=570&height=380&urlb64=aHR0cDovL3BpY3R1cmVzLmRlYWxlci5jb20vbS9tYXN lcmF0aW9mbG9uZ2lzbGFuZC8wMDcwL2EzNmM2NTQ2YzZjNTE3Z WUxYTEwZGExZGFlODEzNDg1eC5qcGc&hmac=ngMRXz0HlWA

I'll take the MP4-12C for LESS MONEY. Thank you fucking very much.

http://fsv-image.autoc-one.jp/images/1255788/057_o.jpg

[TouringTeg]

Thats a speedster. Very low production. Air cooled 911s are great cars, but its collectors and speculators driving up the price.

[jasonturbo]

I really don't understand why air-cooled Porsche hold up value so much.


Without trying to sound like "That PCA douchebag", drive some of the more desired Porsches and perhaps you will understand why they are commanding such a premium.

Though there is no doubt speculators and collectors driving the price up, in general it seems as though very few people at this time have any interest in parting with their desired Porsche - 964 RS America or TT, 993 Anything, 997 GT3 etc.

I can't think of any car other than a 997 GT3 RS that I would perhaps consider as a suitable replacement for my GT3... There are other cars I want, but I have to "add to the collection" as parting with my car just doesn't seem like a good option. That I believe is the issue with the Porsche market, those who have the desired cars just have no interest in parting with them.

[Timpo]

Porsche 911 is so expensive for what it is.. Singer 911s are like what? $350-$500k?

http://wordpress.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/singer-911-1.jpg

[Timpo]

I would take the Rauh Welt 911 for much less money.

http://www.zerotohundred.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/RWB-Gathering-15.jpg
http://media.supercharged.fr/2013/09/rwb-993-bete-rauh-welt-begriff-01.jpg
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/30781870+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/eurp_1011_03_o%2Brauh_welt_begriff_porsches%2B964_ caerra_2s.jpg

[westopher]

I'll take a regular 911 for way less money than that.
http://ernsteverything.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/db_Porsche_964_RS_1992_63_11.jpg
But based on the topic at hand, this is the most enthusiast driven porsche coming out since the 997 gt3/rs. Hugely exciting, and I hope it paves the way for porsche to give in to the desires of the enthusiast and make a 7 speed Manuel 991 gt3.

[jasonturbo]

I would take the Rauh Welt 911 for much less money.


You do realize a Rauh Welt is not at all comparable to a Singer 911.

RWB - Overfenders, spoiler, bumpers, coils, wheels, and basic engine mods on a base Porsche 930, 964, 993 that you already own. (And it ain't cheap)

Singer 911 - They take a customer supplied 964 and replace virtually every last piece of the car to create a modern take on a classic Posrche with amazing performance and attention to detail. In the Singer you aren't paying a premium based on it belng a collector car, you are paying a premium for the blood, sweat, tears, design, and parts cost. A phenomenal amount of man hours goes into the building of a Singer 911.

Sometimes Timpo.. you just don't get it. Do you own a car, have you driven any of the super cars you love so much?

Edit: 964 is my fave air-cool Porsche era, and the price hasn't gone totally bananas yet.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v_460XnG3rI/maxresdefault.jpg

[Timpo]

^ ok then here's the perfect concept

Singer 911 modded by RWB

http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/354/6/7/rwb___singer_911_by_durci02-d4jndbq.jpg

[westopher]

Built my gt4 on the online configurator. 107k. Not bad.

[Timpo]

Built my gt4 on the online configurator. 107k. Not bad.

Nissan GT-R Premium: $108,500 :suspicious:

GT-R can compete with some of the world's renown supercars, whereas Cayman can't.
Introducing the 2015 Nissan GT-R® | Nissan GTR Sportscar | Nissan Canada (http://www.nissan.ca/en/sportscars/gt-r?next=header.vehicles.postcard.vlp.image)

http://www.nissan.ca/content/dam/nissan/vehicles/2015/gt-r/colors-photos/exterior-photos/004-15TDIus_GTReb020x-large.jpg

[westopher]

I'd rather pay 214k for the Cayman than ride in one of those things from the drivers seat. That car is the antithesis of what I want in a car.

[smarv]

In the Evo video I don't recall hearing that production would be limited to a specific number of units, but it would only be limited to how fast they can build them to meet the demand. Does anyone have any credible source to suggest a production limit?

[westopher]

It was mentioned on a forum I frequent by one of Porsche's top salesmen on the continent, however, he has also said they seem to be somewhat wishy washy on confirming it. I honestly don't think anyone really knows for sure yet other than the people deciding it.

[Stook]

I don't think Timpo gets it, haha.

I read a lot of threads on gt4 on rennlist, there's really no confirmed # on production. since its a GT car, it will be harder to get than a regular cayman for sure and somewhat of a limited run. no dealer knows how many allocation they will get, they will get what they get. If you want one, best thing to do is put your name on the list with deposit, wait and hope for the best.

[Timpo]

This one looks pretty cool

1992 Porsche Boxser Proto

http://cartype.com/pics/9572/full/porsche_boxster_1_93.jpg
http://cartype.com/pics/9572/full/porsche_boxster_2_93.jpg
http://www.cyberdesignconcepts.com/guenter/images/Boxster_prototype_93_b.jpg
http://allcarcentral.com/porsche/Porsche_Studie_Boxster_1992_PCS0626_Porsche_Museum _2012.jpg

[radioman]

^wut!?

[Timpo]

I don't know why Boxsters are so expensive.. to me, Boxster is kinda like Mustang and Camaro, something you see on the road everyday & everywhere.

I'd rather have a Lotus and it will probably be more fun.

http://img.pistonheads.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Fullsize/lotus/exige-s2/lotus-exige-s2-S1503316-1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/08/03-lotus-evora-gte-road-car-concept.jpg

[dared3vil0]

I don't know why Boxsters are so expensive.. to me, Boxster is kinda like Mustang and Camaro, s


You're out to fucking lunch.

[Timpo]

You're out to fucking lunch.

How so? :suspicious:

Porsche Boxster, or Cayman are nothing special or there's way too many of them. Which lacks exclusivity. I am not saying Porsche is a bad car, but just saying there's way too many of them. It's not THAT eye catching on the road, just like BMW M3 or something. Although some of them are modded nicely.

For that kinda price, I'd rather have a Lotus Elise, Evora, Exige or maybe Alfa Romeo for much less money. If I don't care about exclusivity, I'd rather get a Nismo 370Z for bang for buck. It still comes with nice seats, brakes, tuned 350hp engine and suspension, etc.

Alfa Romeo 4C
Starting at* $ 61,995
https://4c.alfaromeo.com/en_ca
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ySvb44ucuIE/maxresdefault.jpg
http://images.caricos.com/a/alfa_romeo/2015_alfa_romeo_4c_us/images/1024x768/2015_alfa_romeo_4c_us_13_1024x768.jpg

Nismo 370Z
Starting at * $47,998
2015 Nissan 370Z® Coupe Sports Car | Nissan Canada (http://www.nissan.ca/en/sportscars/z-coupe?next=header.vehicles.postcard.vlp.image&gclid=CPvHiMy91MMCFc9ffgodOIIAhA)
http://www.j-sd.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/nissan-370z-nismo-2015_08.jpg
http://www.j-sd.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/nissan-370z-nismo-2015_10.jpg

[jasonturbo]

Dealer called me today, still no allocations but they did received an email response from Porsche stating that PTS should be available later in the year.

Sounds like they are scheduling two production runs, one starting in March/April with July delivery and one in the fall, PTS likely only being available on the fall builds.

[Stook]

hold off and order pts, it will pay back when time comes to sell. plus you will have a very unique car.

I think the allocations will start to flow in after the Geneva auto show.

[smoothie.]

Is pts similar to bmw individual?

Iirc it was mostly individual colored m3s that took forever to sell on CL

??

[jasonturbo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZH5_JK_kSo8

Hmmmm, TBH it sounds lame to me compared to the Mezger :s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3oc6TkMiJg

The engine in the 997 GT3 sounds like sex.

[radioman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9-Sr8RPty4

[wheel604]

i actually like it. is not bad... but of cos the new gt3rs is much better... but is gonna be twice the price.