[murd0c]

So bored earlier I click on the thread what grind's my gears to vent about a co-worker...

http://www.revscene.net/forums/643228-what-grinds-your-gears-64.html

I see 604_boi and other's raging on a horrible article about a reporter sticking up for the women who killed and then lied about the 6 dogs in the summer

MacNair: Sympathy for the dog killer Paulsen - News - Surrey Now (http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/macnair-sympathy-for-the-dog-killer-paulsen-1.1752410)

About 22 years ago, my wife and I adopted a dog from the Toronto Humane Society on a whim. It was a yappy little three-year-old Shih Tzu who was territorially aggressive, impossible to walk and poorly house trained. We couldn’t leave her alone or she would bark incessantly for hours or destroy something in the apartment. Nevertheless, we loved the stupid dog. We bought her the premium dog food, got her special toys and turned her hair shavings (Shih Tzus don’t shed) into Christmas ornaments. When she got kidney stones we spent $2,000 we didn’t have for an operation. In 2001, with a myriad of health problems and an inability to hold her bladder or bowel movements any longer, we put her to sleep. It was sad at first, but we also had a newborn baby to care for at the time. Although I enjoyed having a dog and I can understand how people get emotionally attached to their pets, I have to say that fatherhood changed my perspective on the human-animal hierarchy. For the most part, I think we tolerate the anthropomorphic projections that people place on their animal companions when they call them “babies” and say they “love” them. Well, I suppose a person can love anything, but there’s no love like that which we have for other people. Which brings me to the point of this story. I felt sympathy for dog walker Emma Paulsen last week when I learned she was about to spend six months in prison for killing six dogs and then attempting to cover it up. I felt sympathy because Paulsen is going to lose her right to freedom over the death of six animals who, at the end of the day, are essentially inconsequential to this world. Oh yes, I’m sure the dogs were important to the dog owners. That much is clear. But they’re only dogs. And this is a woman’s life we’re talking about. Dogs are easily replaced. If you don’t think that’s true, head down to your local animal shelter. You can grab one for about $350. The other thing about dogs? They only live for about eight to 10 years. Most people who live with dogs their entire lives can be expected to go through a dozen before they, too, meet the grim reaper. One of my favourite movies of all time, Old Yeller, is about a faithful golden lab who befriends a boy before getting bitten and becoming rabid. The owners do what any sensible owner would do. They shoot the dog and get a replacement. I’m not condoning anything Paulsen did to those dogs. It’s certainly disturbing that she had such a big mental lapse and then tried to cover up evidence of her mistake. But at the end of the day that’s what happened. She made a mistake. It’s also disturbing to think that somebody who may be suffering from a mental illness will now go to prison for it. Why are we not helping Paulsen get the care she needs? The reason why we’re being punitive is pretty obvious. We’re crucifying her for killing North America’s version of the sacred cow. In other parts of the world, killing dogs isn’t so taboo. Some countries openly feast on dogs the same way we eat chickens. Other countries find dogs to be a nuisance, shooting strays in the streets. Still other countries find them unclean and refuse to come into any contact with them whatsoever. It seems rather an arbitrary social construct to make it perfectly legal to slaughter cows and ducks and chickens and sheep but to send a woman to jail for six months for killing dogs. The dog owners lost their animal companion and for that they deserved monetary compensation. A few thousand dollars could buy a pure-bred replacement from a top-notch breeder. But much like this former dog owner came to realize, the dogs don’t make a difference in this world one way or another. We should be worrying about and caring for our fellow human beings. Let’s get started by doing more of that. - See more at: MacNair: Sympathy for the dog killer Paulsen - News - Surrey Now (http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/macnair-sympathy-for-the-dog-killer-paulsen-1.1752410#sthash.lJ9WGcCo.dpuf)

Of course that made me really made because to be honest I like animals way more then people so I had to but the loser on blast..

https://twitter.com/Reecek15/status/563431800781807616

https://twitter.com/Reecek15/status/563432114985512961

I'm of course getting flamed by people that agree with him on twitter talking about the Charlie incident and asking if I'm a member of ISIS.. :whistle:

All of a sudden I receive a text from a chick in Calgary I hooked up once a year ago saying she saw me on global and she agree's with everything I said...


Reporter shares hate mail following opinion piece on sympathy for dog killer - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1814559/reporter-shares-hate-mail-following-opinion-piece-on-sympathy-for-dog-killer/)


All I know is I'm happy this guy was put on blast since a reporter should think twice before putting up a story that would hit so many people's hearts.. Now the Surrey Now had to put out an apology because of this and hopefully this guy will think twice before putting out such a heartless article.



This is the apology letter

The Now would like to apologize. In Thursday’s paper, we published a column written by Adrian MacNair that has offended many of our readers. The column was about dogs and Emma Paulsen’s jail sentence of six months for her part in the horrible deaths of six dogs. The column contained language and references to dogs that were insensitive and should not have been published. While I support our columnists’ right to hold – and publish – opinions that may be unpopular, as editor, I accept responsibility for allowing such viewpoints to be expressed in a callous, insensitive and disrespectful manner. Many readers have called and emailed , expressing their anger and disappointment over the column. I am making every effort to reach out to all of them and apologize in person, including the families who lost tragically their dogs in the “Brookswood Six” crime. I would like to thank those of you who have taken the time to call, email or comment on the Now's Facebook page. Many of us in the newsroom share your compassion for animals and your opinions are important to me. As editor, I will do my utmost to ensure that such insensitive statements are not published again. Thank you. Editor, Beau Simpson - See more at: OUR VIEW: An apology for dog column's insensitivity - News - Surrey Now (http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/our-view-an-apology-for-dog-column-s-insensitivity-1.1753738#sthash.4kX7rIA6.dpuf)



Why did I decide to post this? cause RS fucken rocks and I love everyone of you!!! :fuckyea:

[StylinRed]

eh, from what i understand she didn't do it (kill them) on purpose and even lost her own dogs in the car?? (cmiiw)

the issue is just how she handled it no? lying about it and pretending they were stolen etc


edit: okay read his article....so NOT what i was expecting

I felt sympathy because Paulsen is going to lose her right to freedom over the death of six animals who, at the end of the day, are essentially inconsequential to this world.

Oh yes, I’m sure the dogs were important to the dog owners. That much is clear. But they’re only dogs. And this is a woman’s life we’re talking about.

Dogs are easily replaced. If you don’t think that’s true, head down to your local animal shelter. You can grab one for about $350.

The other thing about dogs? They only live for about eight to 10 years. Most people who live with dogs their entire lives can be expected to go through a dozen before they, too, meet the grim reaper.

One of my favourite movies of all time, Old Yeller, is about a faithful golden lab who befriends a boy before getting bitten and becoming rabid. The owners do what any sensible owner would do. They shoot the dog and get a replacement.

- See more at: http://www.thenownewspaper.com/news/macnair-sympathy-for-the-dog-killer-paulsen-1.1752410#sthash.p98wRKtO.dpuf

:fulloffuck:

[snails]

wait.. you're white??

i have you on instagram!

:alonehappy:

[murd0c]

wait.. you're white??

i have you on instagram!

:alonehappy:

Yes I'm white and you should know that since you have me on IG lmao

[snails]

Yes I'm white and you should know that since you have me on IG lmao

i didnt know you were Murdoc though! anyways sorry for getting off topic

:toot:

[6o4__boi]

Lol afaik murd0c is the guy on his avatar haha

I dunno why that guy is putting up all the nasty things being said about him.
He brought it on himself writing such a reckless and thoughtless article, was he expecting a Pulitzer?
His best option at this point is to just shut the hell up and wait for the internets to cool down

[320icar]

Thank you for doing something (murdoc and everyone else who was outraged). That column was disgusting and insensitive and shows that reporter as vile human scum, which seems pretty accurate

[murd0c]

Thank you for doing something (murdoc and everyone else who was outraged). That column was disgusting and insensitive and shows that reporter as vile human scum, which seems pretty accurate

I was pissed off but now my Twitter is getting lighted up people calling me insane... Like I was being serious but this is straight comedy for me!!

I'm happy something was done because of this

[murd0c]

i didnt know you were Murdoc though! anyways sorry for getting off topic

:toot:

Damn now people know I'm not black lol

[Jas29]

Re tweeted Murd0c's tweets. Surprised the editor let that article be published

[Tone Loc]

Posted this in the "What Grinds Your Gears" thread originally:

Wow.

That's all I can really say. Just wow.

Wow that a person could be so specist and callous towards a touching and sensitive situation. That "opinion piece" regarding dogs made my blood boil. Not because I own a dog - but I do love them - but because it's so callous and insensitive. I could care less if it's directed at a blue whale or a pet goldfish, but for some ignorant prick to essentially devalue and degrade someone's personal relationship with their pet makes me sick. For many people, a dog, or any pet, is a valued member of the family. It certainly doesn't help that the guy looks and sounds like an utter and complete douche who implicitly believes that money can buy everything. I mean, who even says this?!

A few thousand dollars could buy a pure-bred replacement from a top-notch breeder.

How would he feel if his child was murdered and someone else told him that his child "didn't make a difference in this world one way or another". Or that the "replacement" cost for his child is essentially nothing, so he shouldn't be upset. The fact that this pompous ass even put a monetary value on a relationship really shows me the extent of this "reporter's" sociopathic and ignorant mind.

Not to mention that dogs are companions for tons of people, such as seniors, empty nesters, the blind, mentally disabled, people who can't/won't conceive, etc.... just wow. What a short-sighted, selfish, callous piece of shit.

Articles like this only serve to reinforce my belief that the average house pet is more loyal and selfless than the average person. Smh.

[Jmac]

All I know is if someone killed my cat, Lenny, a cheque or a new pet sure as fuck wouldn't cut it. If the person had covered it up and tried to make herself into the victim like Paulsen did, I'd probably be hoping for more justice than a 6-month slap on the wrist.

[Mr.C]

I love animals, and I don't know how I'd react if someone killed one of my cats due to negligence.

That said, free speech is what it is. You can't go around threatening someone just because his opinions are insane.

[multicartual]

I am sympathetic towards her, even if she got only 1 minute in jail her life is permanently fucked on a social and financial basis

[320icar]

Good.

[punkwax]

No sympathy because she lied. If she had told the truth to the owners from the beginning, this story would have never been made nearly as public as it was.

[murd0c]

No sympathy because she lied. If she had told the truth to the owners from the beginning, this story would have never been made nearly as public as it was.

exactly, lying gets you no where and especially in a situation like this.

[Manic!]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

[Tone Loc]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

People are free to make, so in your mind the punishment for murder must be even stupider.

[StylinRed]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

the way i explain it to people who think of dogs as inconsequential (nothing wrong with that) is that this lady destroyed several peoples belongings and hid that fact and obstructed justice and wasted resources, so that's why she got jail time...sure she could have been fined or given a conditional sentence, but she got a few months of forced vacation at a camp instead

look at what destruction of property (mischief) gets you in canada

Punishment
(3) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property that is a testamentary instrument or the value of which exceeds five thousand dollars
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Idem
(4) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property, other than property described in subsection (3),
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

so it's not like her sentence was severe

[6o4__boi]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

:suspicious:

not sure if trolling or is actually retarded...

[knight604]

Never go full retard, unless you have actually raised a dog or any sort of animal, your opinion is crap

[Akinari]

Originally shared the article on the What Grinds your Gears thread, was absolutely despicable what the writer had to say, totally insensitive.

Tweeted the article out to most of the major media outlets in Vancouver, including Lynda Steele. Here's what she had to say :derp:

http://i.imgur.com/1Wkeb9D.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Don't give that idiot more attention, that's what he wants.

[MindBomber]

I'd love to buy you a beer one day, dude.

You have my respect for putting that 'reporter' in his place.

[westopher]

:suspicious:

not sure if trolling or is actually retarded...
Actually retarded. This has come up many times.

It is often said you can judge a persons character upon the way they treat animals. Now, I understand in some cultures, they have a different view of what is appropriate for food and what not. I will never criticize someone for eating animals that we don't. Many people will see us the same way for cows, pigs, etc.
But anyone who willingly hurts an animal for the sake of it, causes unnecessary suffering to an animal, kills an animal for no reason, or lacks understanding of relationships with animals is a sociopath. Plain and simple.

[GabAlmighty]

Considering my cousins dog was one of the victims (the labradoodle) I have no sympathy for her. Like it was mentioned, it so much the mistake that she made it was the lying about it afterwards.

[westopher]

To be a professional dog walker and not understand the consequences of leaving animals in a hot car on a summer day is the equivalent of my spilling poison into someones food, being aware of it, and giving it to them to eat anyways. It is the mistake of it just as much as the lies I believe. There are mistakes and there is GROSS negligence. It just like a drunk driver causing a car accident. Of course they didn't mean to crash their car, but those risks that were taken is far from a mistake.
The lying compounded it into being an act of gross negligence to an act of malice in my opinion.

[Manic!]

People are free to make, so in your mind the punishment for murder must be even stupider.

You can't buy or sell humans. By buying an animal you are putting a monetary value on. Sentimental value has no place in law. If someone was house sitting and killed a bunch of the owners fish and flushed them down the toilet should they get jail time?

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.


So many people on the forum claim to love dogs but I where did you get your dog from. That will show how much you love dogs.

[Manic!]

Actually retarded. This has come up many times.

It is often said you can judge a persons character upon the way they treat animals. Now, I understand in some cultures, they have a different view of what is appropriate for food and what not. I will never criticize someone for eating animals that we don't. Many people will see us the same way for cows, pigs, etc.
But anyone who willingly hurts an animal for the sake of it, causes unnecessary suffering to an animal, kills an animal for no reason, or lacks understanding of relationships with animals is a sociopath. Plain and simple.


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[zilley]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

ignorant fucking asshole.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.

You have said some of the fucking stupidest things in the history of Revscene, but this statement tops it all.

[Manic!]

You have said some of the fucking stupidest things in the history of Revscene, but this statement tops it all.

What makes one race of dog worth more than the other?

We have an overpopulation of dogs but people still keep breeding them like no tomorrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation_in_domestic_pets

Why not put a limit to breeding until the overpopulation of dogs and other animals until the the problem is solved.

That will never happen because dogs are like clothes and fashion accessories. People were paying $200 $300 or more for rockin republic jeans then they went out of style and then London Drugs was trying to sell them for $29 and know one was buying. If you go to a pound you can tell what dogs were trendy 5 10 years ago and that are now out of style.

[SkinnyPupp]

What makes one race of dog worth more than the other?
Dogs don't have races, they have breeds. And they all essentially originated from wolves. There are no labradors "in the wild" and there are no poodles "in the wild". Both have been selectively bred over generations by humans. They can mate with each other all they want, nothing bad comes of it (unless a really large male breeds with a small female, for obvious reasons)

And if you look at dogs, or any other form of life, as something that can just be tossed away because you have to pay for it.. like what the fuck? :fulloffuck:

You are sick.

[Manic!]

ignorant fucking asshole.

Dog owners are the one putting a price on them not me.

[Manic!]

Dogs don't have races, they have breeds. And they all essentially originated from wolves. There are no labradors "in the wild" and there are no poodles "in the wild". Both have been selectively bred over generations by humans. They can mate with each other all they want, nothing bad comes of it (unless a really large male breeds with a small female, for obvious reasons)

And if you look at dogs, or any other form of life, as something that can just be tossed away because you have to pay for it.. like what the fuck? :fulloffuck:

You are sick.

Again what make one dog worth more than another?

[SkinnyPupp]

Again what make one dog worth more than another?
That depends on whoever is paying for it

[Jayboogz]

:Popcorn

[melloman]

Dog owners are the one putting a price on them not me.

Yup, just like that Chinese guy buying the Tibetan mastiff for $2mil in China.
I'm fine going to the SPCA and just adopting a dog, it will cost afew hundred bucks, but that keeps the SPCA in business helping animals.

What do you love Manic?

[murd0c]

Dog owners are the one putting a price on them not me.

It's the breeder's that put a price on a dog and the owners pay that because that's what they are looking for in an animal. The amount of money spent on a pet doesn't matter its the love you give them and they give back. If you have never owned a animal its hard to explain but just the unconditional love that will cheer you up while having a bad day or in general.

[nma]

So, if someone pays for adoption, kid gets kidnapped.. Just go buy another kid, right Manic?

[white rocket]

Fuck Paulsen and fuck McNair. Lying bitch deserves zero sympathy. Article writing cunt saying that the dogs were "essentially inconsequential to this world"? Are you joking? You had a bad experience with a shih Tzu and now you're bitter? Fuck you clown.

I'm with murd0c; people piss me off but animals don't have any judgemental issues. The death of these dogs is like the death of innocence. Putting trust in a so-called "professional" and this is the result? Oh yeah, sympathy for her all day. What emotional trauma she must be going through. /endsarcasam

inb4 she applies for a day care licence. Fucking cunt.

[fliptuner]

The only way that writer could get people to read his shit is by writing ignorant trash. His editor is equally responsible for allowing the article to be published.

[Godzira]

I consider my pets a huge part of my family and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If anyone fucks with my family I would want justice.
She would have had to leave the dogs in there for a pretty long time for them to die from exhaustion, wouldn't she? What could she have possibly been doing for that long when she knew she had them in a hot car? It's her JOB to care for them and make sure nothing happens to them. There's such a double standard with the whole thing, and for people to take her side and say that pets are disposable. How heartless can you possibly be!?

That's complete negligence, I feel terrible for the families knowing their dogs suffered in their last moments and if I were them I would wish the worst for the bitch that did it to them.

[Akinari]

You can't buy or sell humans. By buying an animal you are putting a monetary value on. Sentimental value has no place in law. If someone was house sitting and killed a bunch of the owners fish and flushed them down the toilet should they get jail time?

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.

So many people on the forum claim to love dogs but I where did you get your dog from. That will show how much you love dogs.

What makes one race of dog worth more than the other?

We have an overpopulation of dogs but people still keep breeding them like no tomorrow.

Overpopulation in domestic pets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation_in_domestic_pets)

Why not put a limit to breeding until the overpopulation of dogs and other animals until the the problem is solved.

That will never happen because dogs are like clothes and fashion accessories. People were paying $200 $300 or more for rockin republic jeans then they went out of style and then London Drugs was trying to sell them for $29 and know one was buying. If you go to a pound you can tell what dogs were trendy 5 10 years ago and that are now out of style.

Dude, if you're for real, this is hands-down the most ignorant shit I've ever read in my three years of being a part of Revscene.

Dogs are living beings, with beating hearts with flesh and skin.

This has nothing to do with whether or not dogs have sentimental value or monetary value not, this is about a fucking human being, knowingly killing six living animals with beating hearts with flesh bones and blood, which were important to all of their owners, then LYING to their owners that the dogs disappeared when in reality they were purposely killed and left to die.

And really? Fish? You're really comparing a fish to a dog? :suspicious:

You have a car Manic? So if I went and drove your car off, crashed it, set fire to it, then came to your house to tell you face-to-face that your car was stolen and fed you false information about the culprit who stole your car, then you find out that I was the one who fabricated this lie, you'd be OK with it because cars are just pieces of metal and plastic that shouldn't have any sentimental value anyway right?

:facepalm:

[Tone Loc]

You can't buy or sell humans. By buying an animal you are putting a monetary value on.

Not sure if you're serious or just plain ignorant. Take a trip out of your little first-world bubble and realize that humans are trafficked all over the world for slavery, sexual exploitation, and labour. Can't buy or sell humans? That's news to me.

[originalhypa]

I respect human life and was taught to hold it in higher regard than the life of an animal. But I love our dog, cat, and bunny. They're special to us, and part of the family.
Bottom line, Emma Paulson is a piece of shit and one would have to dig pretty deep to defend her.

[Godzira]

You have a car Manic? So if I went and drove your car off, crashed it, set fire to it, then came to your house to tell you face-to-face that your car was stolen and fed you false information about the culprit who stole your car, then you find out that I was the one who fabricated this lie, you'd be OK with it because cars are just pieces of metal and plastic that shouldn't have any sentimental value anyway right?

:facepalm:



http://i.imgur.com/JSBTl.gif

[nma]

It's not just about "pets". This woman is a criminal. When you PAY someone to do a service for you, the least you expect out of someone is honesty. She was negligent and lied to try and cover everything up. She also wasted a bunch of time and resources that eventually led to her guilt.

Imagine depositing your money at the bank, then getting a call saying your money was stolen in a robbery. You then find out it was actually the bank that stole your money. Would you want the people involved to go to jail?

NAH MONEY CAN BE REPLACED, LET THEM LIVE ON GAIZ IZZ JUS PAPER


Imagine if someone like Manic was in charge of the justice system, we would all be so fucked

[Godzira]

Revscene jury duty let's go put this lady in her place!

[murd0c]

WOW this story has now made the main page of the Huffington Post.. Talk about blowing up quick and I really wonder if this guys going to get fired over this?

Huffington Post Canada - Canadian News Stories, Breaking News, Opinion (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/)

[6o4__boi]

I'd fire him...i'd seriously consider firing the editor too.

That cesspool he considers a column shouldn't have been published. Any idiot with some knowledge of journalism would know that. The fact that it was published goes to show how much effort they put into reviewing what gets published, which is about the same effort the Canucks put in scoring a pp goal these days.

[underscore]

"I felt sympathy because Paulsen is going to lose her right to freedom over the death of six animals who, at the end of the day, are essentially inconsequential to this world."

At the end of the day, Paulsen, reporter dumbfuck, myself, and everybody else on this planet are "essentially inconsequential" as well, so does this fucktard think killing anything doesn't matter then? In the grand scheme of things absolutely nothing anyone does matters for fuck all, the whole planet could explode right now and it wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not entirely sure what this stupid sack of shit is trying to say.

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.

I can buy a human for "a few hundred bux", should trying to cover up and lie about manslaughter not land you in jail as well? Which, afaik, is the part that's landing her jail time, not the deaths.

You can't buy or sell humans.

Yes, you can. It's not legal in most places, but you can do it.

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.

They don't exist in the wild so...

So many people on the forum claim to love dogs but I where did you get your dog from. That will show how much you love dogs.

My cats are from the SPCA, the inlaws dogs and cats (now just cat I guess, RIP Tiger :( ) are from the SPCA, IIRC all the pets in my extended family aside from maybe 1 are from the SPCA or were rescued in some way (which I think lands near 20 pets).

[Godzira]

I'd fire him...i'd seriously consider firing the editor too.

That cesspool he considers a column shouldn't have been published. Any idiot with some knowledge of journalism would know that. The fact that it was published goes to show how much effort they put into reviewing what gets published, which is about the same effort the Canucks put in scoring a pp goal these days.

Controversy sells, when has the media ever been ethical ?

[underscore]

^ it can be, people just need to start ignoring/blasting the shit ones instead of gobbling up their garbage.

[Hot Karl]

You can't buy or sell humans. By buying an animal you are putting a monetary value on. Sentimental value has no place in law. If someone was house sitting and killed a bunch of the owners fish and flushed them down the toilet should they get jail time?

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.


So many people on the forum claim to love dogs but I where did you get your dog from. That will show how much you love dogs.

actually people are literally bought and sold every day and it's been happening since the beginning of people.

there are allowances for sentimental value in law. heirlooms, trophies, pictures.

the aforementioned labradoodles' labradoodleness is not relevant to the discussion. as for "forcing" 2 dogs to mate? WOW. if by forcing you mean "not constantly stopping the dogs from fucking"

both my dogs are spca mutts. so go break a bottle and sit on it.

you're like that 14 year old girl who just discovered peta. it's really cute but hopefully you'll grow out of it and at least educate yourself about the subject as opposed to being that little 14 year old spaz screaming meat is murder at a mcdonalds. keep up that fight you adorable little rebel.

[white rocket]

I couldn't believe this comment: “Although I enjoyed having a dog and I can understand how people get emotionally attached to their pets, I have to say that fatherhood changed my perspective on the human-animal hierarchy"

You're joking right? What the fuck does having a kid have to do with the relationship with a pet? I just had a daughter in July and my dogs are now 10 years old. I love them just the same now and also love my daughter. I don't see how my dogs would all of sudden become second rate. We're all one big family. I hope your not teaching your kid your views on the human-animal hierarchy.

[murd0c]

I thought the same thing, having a child should give him more in-site how important a pet is especially with the way he would see his kids with the animals.

I saw on twitter that people are now going after his wife for the things that he said. Talk about wrong but I have a feeling this guy will think twice before putting out a story like that again.

[murd0c]

Here his FB

https://www.facebook.com/adrian.macnair?fref=ts

WOW he knew this was going to piss off people!!

[Godzira]

Here his FB

https://www.facebook.com/adrian.macnair?fref=ts

WOW he knew this was going to piss off people!!

hahaha holy shit.

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10978490_892229690797332_7696711735442886363_n.jpg ?oh=50d560846daf042447cde62cff4d4bf0&oe=55661D63

[murd0c]

and people have been tweeting me saying I'm fucken crazy and a horrible person lol

[AAnthony]

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[white rocket]

haha, that's harsh. People need to be smart about this. Threatening and saying shit like that on social media can be a recipe for disaster. As much as I feel the same way I always watch what I say online(more Twitter/FB rather than forums). Not sure how the Criminal Code works with social media but that Kevin Hayer guy is basically threatening Adrian and the proof is now public.

[murd0c]

I don't think you're a crazy horrible person, but telling the guy you would pay to see him tortured for writing an article just makes you look like one of those PETA nut cases...

The guy deserves the backlash from his article, but the way you handled it made you look like a psycho, and nobody wants to side with a psycho...

I do agree that my comments were over the line, my anger and frustration with the article got the best of me and in a way I do regret it. I'm happy this is now national news and hopefully he will lose his job now.

[freakshow]

Your avatar isn't helping either.. :p

[Gucci Mane]

You have a car Manic? So if I went and drove your car off, crashed it, set fire to it, then came to your house to tell you face-to-face that your car was stolen and fed you false information about the culprit who stole your car, then you find out that I was the one who fabricated this lie, you'd be OK with it because cars are just pieces of metal and plastic that shouldn't have any sentimental value anyway right?
:facepalm:

he actually does. drives a v10 R8. just another self entitled douche snob living off of mommy and daddy riches. dont pay any attention to him


both my dogs are spca mutts. so go break a bottle and sit on it.


BAHAHAHA. i fucking loved that. its so damn sad i head to read Manic's retarded fucking posts as my dog was sitting next to me with his head on my thigh..


and thanks murdoc. this was awesome. i'm so glad that scum writer got his dose of social justice.

[6o4__boi]

I don't think you're a crazy horrible person, but telling the guy you would pay to see him tortured for writing an article just makes you look like one of those PETA nut cases...

The guy deserves the backlash from his article, but the way you handled it made you look like a psycho, and nobody wants to side with a psycho...


I honestly don't think Murd0c's comments were that bad. If anything that guy was a total bag of dicks for publicizing comments he knew damn well were coming. He's an even bigger sack of shit for trying to get some public pity out of it.
He probably received emails that were far worse. Hell, if people could read my mind after I read that article they'd probably think I'm some deranged psychopath.

[Godzira]

agreed^

[murd0c]

The way I was looking at it at the time was the dogs were locked in a car, basically tortured to death and then then the family's were lied about what happened. So that's the reason why I made that comment but of course it was blown out a proportion but that's the internet for ya!!

I have heard from a lot of people that have told me they would of said a lot worse then what I did. I'm just happy I only had 140 bars to deal with.

[GabAlmighty]

You can't buy or sell humans. By buying an animal you are putting a monetary value on. Sentimental value has no place in law. If someone was house sitting and killed a bunch of the owners fish and flushed them down the toilet should they get jail time?

Also a labradoodle? Forcing 2 animals that would have never mated in the wild to breed because they look cute is plain stupid.


So many people on the forum claim to love dogs but I where did you get your dog from. That will show how much you love dogs.

We aren't arguing the ethics of dog breeding you dumb fuck. Fwiw i'd probably agree with you in such an argument, to a point.

http://cdn.overclock.net/4/47/582x386px-LL-47e8dbce_Point_over_your_head1.jpeg

[Manic!]

he actually does. drives a v10 R8. just another self entitled douche snob living off of mommy and daddy riches. dont pay any attention to him






I also own a 97 Civic hatch that I haven't driven in 2 years but don't want to sell it and work 7 days a week.

At least some cities are taking the lead and trying to stop breeders.

San Diego City Council unanimously votes to ban retail sale of dogs, cats, rabbits in pet stores - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego (http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-city-council-to-vote-on-pet-store-ban-070813)

Also just because I don't a agree with you shouldn't attack me personally.

[Godzira]

I also own a 97 Civic hatch that I haven't driven in 2 years but don't want to sell it and work 7 days a week.

At least some cities are taking the lead and trying to stop breeders.

San Diego City Council unanimously votes to ban retail sale of dogs, cats, rabbits in pet stores - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego (http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-city-council-to-vote-on-pet-store-ban-070813)

Also just because I don't a agree with you shouldn't attack me personally.

just stop..

[GabAlmighty]

I also own a 97 Civic hatch that I haven't driven in 2 years but don't want to sell it and work 7 days a week.

At least some cities are taking the lead and trying to stop breeders.

San Diego City Council unanimously votes to ban retail sale of dogs, cats, rabbits in pet stores - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego (http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-city-council-to-vote-on-pet-store-ban-070813)

Also just because I don't a agree with you shouldn't attack me personally.

What's the difference between an attack and a simple statement of truth?

[westopher]

A dog is more than an animal in our society, wether you appreciate it or not, its fact.
These were a bunch of dogs, who were loved by their families, and to not understand that is simply stupid.
Dogs are not just pets, therapy dogs provide joy to geriatric patients at hospitals, confidence to autistic children, lead the blind in their day to day lives, provide support to our soldiers with PTSD in their darkest days with unconditional love, tech children how to be parents in their later years by providing care and patience for a living being that relies upon them for guidance. I could go on for hours with their roles, but thats a pretty reasonable start.
The lives of many humans have been greatly affected positively by dogs and our society as a whole benefits from the human/dog relationships, as well as dogs benefit from it. If you made it through grade 6 science you'd understand how a symbiotic relationship between species exists and how the dog/human interaction is the perfect example.
If you can't understand that, there is simply something wrong with the functions of your brain.

[Manic!]

We aren't arguing the ethics of dog breeding you dumb fuck. Fwiw i'd probably agree with you in such an argument, to a point.

http://cdn.overclock.net/4/47/582x386px-LL-47e8dbce_Point_over_your_head1.jpeg

You are missing the point. My point was people are upset because they are dogs. If it was some other animal that was not a pet there would not be so much outrage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfRMeU6pQ8

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

reported to his dean.


hmmm so they died of heatstroke.

yeah she shoulda weighed the consequence of getting caught vs telling the truth.

it's pretty hard to fake a crime scene when you're not a professional scammer like i am.

i would of just told the truth. oh well. u can't mess with a dude's dog. that's worse than fucking his wife.

[Manic!]

A dog is more than an animal in our society, wether you appreciate it or not, its fact.
These were a bunch of dogs, who were loved by their families, and to not understand that is simply stupid.
Dogs are not just pets, therapy dogs provide joy to geriatric patients at hospitals, confidence to autistic children, lead the blind in their day to day lives, provide support to our soldiers with PTSD in their darkest days with unconditional love, tech children how to be parents in their later years by providing care and patience for a living being that relies upon them for guidance. I could go on for hours with their roles, but thats a pretty reasonable start.
The lives of many humans have been greatly affected positively by dogs and our society as a whole benefits from the human/dog relationships, as well as dogs benefit from it. If you made it through grade 6 science you'd understand how a symbiotic relationship between species exists and how the dog/human interaction is the perfect example.
If you can't understand that, there is simply something wrong with the functions of your brain.

Valued members of a family should not be bought on craigslist and should not be fedexed overnight.

[westopher]

You are missing the point. My point was people are upset because they are dogs. If it was some other animal that was not a pet there would not be so much outrage.

You are missing the point. Its a fucking dog, and that is the place of dogs in OUR society. Its not a cow. Its not a pig. We didn't raise the dog for food. Of course there wouldn't be as much outrage because dogs are ranked where they are ranked based on our societies values which is for many people, as a family member. If somebody left someones beloved cow in their truck to suffocate, and covered it up people would still be outraged however. Its about empathy for the victim and the lack of that this article showed which is why people are so outraged.

[westopher]

Valued members of a family should not be bought on craigslist and should not be fedexed overnight.
Yeah because most people with dogs have done both of those things. You are comparing the worst practices about dogs and believe they are the norm? Take your fucking tinfoil hat off and read between the lines.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

actually a lot of pure breeds are fedexed.

what am i to do when i buy some exotic breed from europe? or wherever. shipping them is the only feasible way.

even if you go pick them up yourself, where do you think the animals go?

the shipping compartments for animals are pretty safe. not that you have much of a choice.

[westopher]

Fair enough actually. Its not like they throw them in an envelope and hope for it to get there.

[StylinRed]

I feel like im on a Greenpeace forum... (cuz greenpeace is crazier than peta folk :))

[GabAlmighty]

You are missing the point. My point was people are upset because they are dogs. If it was some other animal that was not a pet there would not be so much outrage.


No I am not. Did you not see the part that I bolded? Generally speaking when someone quotes a post and bolds a certain part of it, that is the part of the post they are answering to...

So really, you missed the point, then you missed it again... And you're still arguing.

[white rocket]

Clearly Manic! is going for the devil's advocate here(I guess) but for the sake of this thread and those participating in it.......................

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j217/whiterocket/cat-control-1_zps2uxrvoyt.jpg (http://s81.photobucket.com/user/whiterocket/media/cat-control-1_zps2uxrvoyt.jpg.html)

[Manic!]

actually a lot of pure breeds are fedexed.

what am i to do when i buy some exotic breed from europe? or wherever. shipping them is the only feasible way.

even if you go pick them up yourself, where do you think the animals go?

the shipping compartments for animals are pretty safe. not that you have much of a choice.


Maybe don't buy a dog from Europe and get a dog from the pound. It's not like the dog from the pound is going to love you less.

[murd0c]

Maybe don't buy a dog from Europe and get a dog from the pound. It's not like the dog from the pound is going to love you less.

Have you ever had any pets at all in your life?

[Godzira]

I've found rescue pets are waay more loyal, loving and affectionate than the latter.

[Manic!]

Have you ever had any pets at all in your life?


Yes I have. If you are going to buy a dog like you would by a pair of shoes well....

[multicartual]

Don't give that idiot more attention, that's what he wants.


Funny thing is, if you're a writer and you write moderate things, you'll never be known


He has to write shit like what he wrote or he'll just be like me! A nobody writer!

[westopher]

Yes I have. If you are going to buy a god like you would by a pair of shoes well....
What the hell does that mean?

[MindBomber]

I feel like im on a Greenpeace forum... (cuz greenpeace is crazier than peta folk :))

I don't think you're aware of how insane PETA actually is; they would borderline support the dogs' death.

[murd0c]

Funny thing is, if you're a writer and you write moderate things, you'll never be known


He has to write shit like what he wrote or he'll just be like me! A nobody writer!

Well this guy is going to get fired and will never get a job again due to the article

[underscore]

At least some cities are taking the lead and trying to stop breeders.

San Diego City Council unanimously votes to ban retail sale of dogs, cats, rabbits in pet stores - 10News.com KGTV ABC10 San Diego (http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-city-council-to-vote-on-pet-store-ban-070813)

That could backfire and increase illegal puppy mills though. And a lot of animals sold in pet stores are actually rescues, IIRC the kittens at Pet Smart are selected from the SPCA.

You are missing the point. My point was people are upset because they are dogs. If it was some other animal that was not a pet there would not be so much outrage.

People are mainly upset that she lied about the inhumane death of someones pet and tried to cover it up. I'd be just as pissed if they were someones pet birds, pigs, pigs, or whatever, and I would be nearly as pissed even if they weren't pets because she left six animals locked in a box long enough for them to all die of heat stroke.

[Manic!]

I don't think you're aware of how insane PETA actually is; they would borderline support the dogs' death.

Peta actually kills lots of Animals.

http://petsalive.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1.jpg

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Dead-Puppy_0001.jpg

[Godzira]

well now this is just getting depressing...

:inout:

[murd0c]

I would like to say Animals are way better then people!!

[StylinRed]

I don't think you're aware of how insane PETA actually is; they would borderline support the dogs' death.

lol yeah i know they're out there too but i consider greenpeace even crazier :lol

[white rocket]

Peta actually kills lots of Animals.

That's what MindBomber is sayin' y0! PETA has a crazy high kill rate.

I like animals because of their instinctive nature. No jealously, envy bullshit.

[SkinnyPupp]

PETA thinks animals are better off dead rather than living under the rule of people. They are fucking insane.

[Godzira]

PETA thinks animals are better off dead rather than living under the rule of people. They are fucking insane.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/748/604/445.gif

[meowjinboo]

Maybe don't buy a dog from Europe and get a dog from the pound. It's not like the dog from the pound is going to love you less.

people get dogbreeds that fit their lifestyle.

live in a condo? Get a small dog.

Have a big house with lots of yard space?

Get an active dog.

Different dog breeds have different energy levels, attention spans, attention needed etc.

[chouchou]

no point arguing with Manic! anymore... he wins everytime you try a rebuttal. he could care less about this argument haha

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

breed makes a big diff... dog, cat... whatever.

that's like picking a wife based on... just there's a woman that's free. lol.

breed dictates personality (and training, but genetics plays a big role).

[Manic!]

breed makes a big diff... dog, cat... whatever.

that's like picking a wife based on... just there's a woman that's free. lol.

breed dictates personality (and training, but genetics plays a big role).

breed dictates personality? So you believe pitbulls are all dangerous or is it bad owners who make them hat way?

[Drow]

#rsjusticeleague

[murd0c]

breed dictates personality? So you believe pitbulls are all dangerous or is it bad owners who make them hat way?

in certain aspects yes breed does dictate the type of personality a dog has. A big portion of that is owner training as well, taking the dogs for walks, showing them attention that they need. Thats why this story is so frustrating cause these people trusted this dog walker to take care of these dogs during the day, taking them on walks and giving them the exercise and social interaction they need.

[underscore]

breed dictates personality? So you believe pitbulls are all dangerous or is it bad owners who make them hat way?

Some breeds have more potential to be dangerous, but it all comes down to the owners at the end of the day.

[westopher]

I wouldn't say more potential to be dangerous but I'm just speaking semantics here. I'd say more potential to do harm based on the situations its put into due to high levels of strength and agility. Unfortunately for me, and my dog, pitbulls, and german shepherds are high on that list which often means he is met with fear or criticism. Just means I spend more time developing his positive interactions with people and dogs which is actually pretty awesome.
There is nothing wrong with choosing a breed that carries common behavioural characteristics that coincide with your lifestyle. The only real problem with animal breeding is the breeding of negative characteristics for the sake of vanity and recognition.
https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/
However again, as manic usually manages in every thread he posts in, this is pointlessly off of the original topic on a confusing tangent due to his incoherent ramblings that makes everyone who acknowledges his posts basically start a new conversation.

[Hot Karl]

You are missing the point. My point was people are upset because they are dogs. If it was some other animal that was not a pet there would not be so much outrage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfRMeU6pQ8

talk about missing the point? you keep bringing up breeders which are not relevant to the discussion at all. even if all the dogs were from breeders, it doesn't change the fact their owners care about them.
being against pet breeders is like being against murder. you really are a 14 year old girl.

it's an outrage because it's a pet. that's the ENTIRE POINT. PERIOD. THAT'S IT.

your entire "argument" is "if they weren't pets no one would care".

no shit sherlock. if it was a bunch of raccoons a crazy lady kidnapped off the street it wouldn't be a big deal.

but then again, i don't think anyone would be paying her and she wouldn't be running a raccoon kidnapping business like the lady in the story.

[Manic!]

talk about missing the point? you keep bringing up breeders which are not relevant to the discussion at all. even if all the dogs were from breeders, it doesn't change the fact their owners care about them.


it's an outrage because it's a pet. that's the ENTIRE POINT. PERIOD. THAT'S IT.

your entire "argument" is "if they weren't pets no one would care".

no shit sherlock. if it was a bunch of raccoons a crazy lady kidnapped off the street it wouldn't be a big deal.

but then again, i don't think anyone would be paying her and she wouldn't be running a raccoon kidnapping business like the lady in the story.


Is a homeless mans murder less important than the death of a family man? Just because something is a pet and is loved by it's owners should have no effect on the punishment given to the killer.

[CRS]

Is a homeless mans murder less important than the death of a family man? Just because something is a pet and is loved by it's owners should have no effect on the punishment given to the killer.

I'm really trying hard to understand your perspective or at the very least, what you're trying to say.

I've read through this post 5 different times and still have no idea what you're trying to convey.

[StylinRed]

he's saying emotions shouldn't come into play in the pursuit of justice....i think, which would mean he finds the sentence too harsh.

but if so, i don't know why he's continuing with you guys except for shits and giggles, especially after my pointing out to him what destruction of property (mischief) can get you in terms of max sentencing, in Canada (1st page) to show she really just got a harder slap on the wrist (but still a slap)

[meowjinboo]

breed dictates personality? So you believe pitbulls are all dangerous or is it bad owners who make them hat way?

are you a fucking retard or do you always play devils advocate?

[Manic!]

are you a fucking retard or do you always play devils advocate?

Others on RS agree with me too but don't post because they don't want to deal with the nut jobs on RS or get failed and that's a shame. It's one thing to disagree with me it's another to call me names and threaten to kill me like some have.

[Eff-1]

Others on RS agree with me too but don't post because they don't want to deal with the nut jobs on RS or get failed and that's a shame. It's one thing to disagree with me it's another to call me names and threaten to kill me like some have.

Do yourself a favour. Stop posting. In fact, don't ever post anything ever again. It does you no service. Except if you see a thread about gas stations. Then you can post. Because that actually provides value to others.

Remember. Only gas stations.

[murd0c]

Do yourself a favour. Stop posting. In fact, don't ever post anything ever again. It does you no service. Except if you see a thread about gas stations. Then you can post. Because that actually provides value to others.

Remember. Only gas stations.

I have the gas station side of things covered so we don't even need him to post about that either.

[Manic!]

Do yourself a favour. Stop posting. In fact, don't ever post anything ever again. It does you no service. Except if you see a thread about gas stations. Then you can post. Because that actually provides value to others.

Remember. Only gas stations.

You should start your own site so you can ban everyone that does not agree with you.

[SkinnyPupp]

Others on RS agree with me too but don't post because they don't want to deal with the nut jobs on RS or get failed and that's a shame. It's one thing to disagree with me it's another to call me names and threaten to kill me like some have.
I highly doubt that many people agree with you that can read.

[6o4__boi]

Going to jail for accidentally killing something you can buy for a few hundred bux is just plain stupid.


When this is the root of your argument on this thread's subject you'd be hard pressed to find anyone non-retarded to agree with you.

You should go out on a date with Macnair or something. Top it off with some dog stew and a walk through the kennels filling out paperwork for adoption but not actually adopting anything.

[Manic!]

When this is the root of your argument on this thread's subject you'd be hard pressed to find anyone non-retarded to agree with you.

You should go out on a date with Macnair or something. Top it off with some dog stew and a walk through the kennels filling out paperwork for adoption but not actually adopting anything.

I would rather just order a dog via Dogs for Sale & Puppies for Sale from Europe - Euro Puppy (http://www.europuppy.com/) and then not pick it up from the airport. After that file a dispute with paypal. Also looks like Kishi needs a home urgently.

[MG1]

Others on RS agree with me too but don't post because they don't want to deal with the nut jobs on RS or get failed and that's a shame. It's one thing to disagree with me it's another to call me names and threaten to kill me like some have.

I don't agree with anyone in this thread, but I was totally blown away with OP's threats against the columnist. People can have an opinion, plain and simple. One thing I've noticed with RS is, once people start to agree with someone and start contributing their own brand of mud slinging and shit, it keeps snowballing. Everyone gets brave and some go full on retard. Kumbaya!

I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but if one of our members is being threatened over having an opinion, this forum is not worth saving.

god bless........

[meowjinboo]

When this is the root of your argument on this thread's subject you'd be hard pressed to find anyone non-retarded to agree with you.

You should go out on a date with Macnair or something. Top it off with some dog stew and a walk through the kennels filling out paperwork for adoption but not actually adopting anything.

Dogs are not even a few hundred dollars. Dogs can cost 1500 to buy after all the shots, not to mention all the leashes, cages, food, trimming and cleaning.

DOGS ARE NOT CHEAP TO RAISE.

[westopher]

No one threatened manic in this thread whatsoever. People just think he's an idiot.

[underscore]

I don't agree with anyone in this thread, but I was totally blown away with OP's threats against the columnist. People can have an opinion, plain and simple. One thing I've noticed with RS is, once people start to agree with someone and start contributing their own brand of mud slinging and shit, it keeps snowballing. Everyone gets brave and some go full on retard. Kumbaya!

I didn't read all the posts in this thread, but if one of our members is being threatened over having an opinion, this forum is not worth saving.

god bless........

You should know better than that.

[Jmac]

Dogs are not even a few hundred dollars. Dogs can cost 1500 to buy after all the shots, not to mention all the leashes, cages, food, trimming and cleaning.

DOGS ARE NOT CHEAP TO RAISE.
That's like saying a Pinto is worth thousands of dollars because of insurance, gas, repairs, and maintenance.

The opinion that the author (and Manic) seem to think one can just kill any animal and write a cheque for its "market value" is the issue at hand. "Market value," as with cars, doesn't include associated costs of ownership.

So ... along the same lines ... Should one be able to kill the dog walker and cut a cheque to her family for her "market value," which would now be presumably lower now relative to prior to the incident given her demonstrated incompetence and lack of trustworthiness ... ?

Demonstrating the ridiculous thought process here. I don't believe the value of the dogs or the woman should be based on their "market values."

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

the title...

i thought sympathy and empathy were supposed to be non-discriminatory and free for everyone lol!!!

they're supposed to be handed out like those hooker ads in vegas by the mexicans.

[meowjinboo]

That's like saying a Pinto is worth thousands of dollars because of insurance, gas, repairs, and maintenance.

The opinion that the author (and Manic) seem to think one can just kill any animal and write a cheque for its "market value" is the issue at hand. "Market value," as with cars, doesn't include associated costs of ownership.

So ... along the same lines ... Should one be able to kill the dog walker and cut a cheque to her family for her "market value," which would now be presumably lower now relative to prior to the incident given her demonstrated incompetence and lack of trustworthiness ... ?

Demonstrating the ridiculous thought process here. I don't believe the value of the dogs or the woman should be based on their "market values."

That's fucking insanity. This is a member of my family. Yes I believe that a pet is a member of the family. I'm housing, clothing it, making sure it has proper medical care and is properly fed.

You can't put a dollar fucking value on that shit.

[Manic!]

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[Manic!]

That's fucking insanity. This is a member of my family. Yes I believe that a pet is a member of the family. I'm housing, clothing it, making sure it has proper medical care and is properly fed.

You can't put a dollar fucking value on that shit.

Under Canadian law you can.

She was charged with destruction of property (mischief) gets you in canada

Quote:
Punishment
(3) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property that is a testamentary instrument or the value of which exceeds five thousand dollars
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Idem
(4) Every one who commits mischief in relation to property, other than property described in subsection (3),
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


I have know Idea how they came up with the value of the for dogs. I am not including the 2 she owned because you can do what ever you want with your own property and be charged with what she was charged with. But I do know people have done 10's of thousands of dollars worth of damage and have done zeo jail time. That one guy killed a 100 sled dogs in Whistler and got zero jail time.

[freakshow]

So wait, i'm a little confused. You're arguing that she shouldn't do jail time, but quoted a law that specifies she should do jail time?

[Great68]

My family had many dogs while I was growing up. I love dogs.
Each one of them had a unique personality, and I was sad each time one of them passed on.
The thing is, they were all the family PET, not a family member.

When I was about 13-14, we had a 2 year old Shepherd/Doberman cross that one day, completely out of the blue, snapped at a toddler. The dog had no aggression warning signs that would ever let us think it would do that.
My dad had it put down that week. A month later we had a new dog.
That's how you learn pets like dogs are replaceable.

But I actually don't have any sympathy for the Emma Paulson woman because
A) For someone who cared for dogs as a living, How could the common sense on this woman be so fucking out of whack to leave the dogs in a closed canopy in the sun?
B) She LIED and tried to cover up what she did

[Manic!]

So wait, i'm a little confused. You're arguing that she shouldn't do jail time, but quoted a law that specifies she should do jail time?

I can understand you are confused. Those are guide lines. Others who have been charged with mischief over $5000 have gotten probation and maybe some community service.

Like this:
ASSAULT; MISCHIEF OVER $5000 - Peel Law ChambersPeel Law Chambers (http://peellawchambers.com/assault-mischief-over-5000/)

What I don't understand is how they assessed the value of the 4 dogs at over $5000. If they where from the pound would she have been charged with mischief under $5000? Sounds stupid to me.

[freakshow]

So the valuation of the animals lives is the primary issue for you?
ie. If they were found to have a value of over $5,000 (however that would be assessed), then jail time is warranted.

[Eff-1]

Under Canadian law you can.

She was charged with destruction of property (mischief) gets you in canada

I have know Idea how they came up with the value of the for dogs. I am not including the 2 she owned because you can do what ever you want with your own property and be charged with what she was charged with. But I do know people have done 10's of thousands of dollars worth of damage and have done zeo jail time. That one guy killed a 100 sled dogs in Whistler and got zero jail time.

Like I said earlier, you need to just stop posting. Especially when you don't know the facts. She wasn't charged with anything like that, and the cash value of the dogs has zero relevance to anything. Everything you have said is wrong.

She was originally charged with two things. The first was multiple counts of animal cruelty under the BC SPCA Act. Did you notice the law is called "animal" cruelty, not "pet" cruelty. So regardless of whether it's a pet or wild animal, yours or someone else's, purchased/adopted or how much it costs, if you cause an animal to be under distress, it's punishable by up to two years in prison. That has nothing to do with destruction of property.

And she was not charged with mischief. She was charged with public mischief, which is making a false police report. That's a criminal code offense, punishable by up to five years in prison.

Even though she was charged with multiple counts, she plead guilty to only one count of each. During sentencing, there were several victim impact statements provided to the judge that demonstrated what she did caused a lot of pain to the owners of the pets. Also, the judge noted she deliberately covered up what she did, lied about it, and has still never apologized.

Still think going to jail for six months is stupid?