[yelnats8]

Lowered my g35 last week and got an alignment done this week. Shop was able to get the toe back within spec but my negative camber has doubled with the drop and couldn't be adjusted.

I've read that toe affects tire wear the most and should be close to 0. Can I get by okay with this much camber or will I be running into a lot of issues? My main concern is going through tires quickly.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2dufqdv.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/oihrah.jpg

[snails]

3 isnt much, you wont see much uneven wear either.. when you get closer to 4+ it starts to look silly IMO and around 6+ you start to see significant tread wear differences as the outside tire is hardly on the ground

[GabAlmighty]

That's a decent amount of rear camber but you'll probably live. You'll wear tires out faster, yes. Noticeable so? I think that's more dependant on your driving style/vehicle/conditions etc.

[boatcaptain]

should check your rear left tire :p

[fliptuner]

If you posted what the car is, you'd probably get options on what you can do to correct the camber.

[yelnats8]

should check your rear left tire :p

lol ya I'm not sure why it showed 0, psi was 35

If you posted what the car is, you'd probably get options on what you can do to correct the camber.

g35 and I can get a camber kit to get the camber back within spec but I prefer not to if it's not really necessary.

[GabAlmighty]

lol ya I'm not sure why it showed 0, psi was 35



g35 and I can get a camber kit to get the camber back within spec but I prefer not to if it's not really necessary.

99% chance you'll be fine leaving it the way it is. If it starts handling funny for your style then sure get a camber kit and maybe that'll fix it. Also, fwiw, you MAY run into clearance issues if you get your camber back closer to 0 depending on your tire/rim size.

[dared3vil0]

I love those wheels... OEM Nissan wheels used to be so nice.

[ed99]

From my experience, -3 isn't so bad. Once your in the -4 and up you will notice faster tire wear. Which place did you go for this?

[donjalapeno]

no such thing as too much negative camber...

http://www.amigos-unidos.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Negative-Camber-extrem1.jpg




jk, as others said -3 isn't too bad.

[bigzz786786]

Why not just get rear camber arms? There like 150

[underscore]

^ plus another alignment. It would've been better to just get them before and have one alignment but as others have said that amount of camber should still be reasonable enough to be okay.

[Traum]

Hmm... Why do I feel like I'm the only one that thinks the OP has too much negative camber for street use? IMO, if the car doesn't get driven aggressively, it is definitely going to notice some camber wear (on the inner shoulders of the tires).

[Noran]

Rear camber is for noobs.

Get camber arms that are more adjustable.

[325isMSPORT]

anything up to 3.5 is fine preferably your rear is -1 less than the front

[Yodamaster]

It's (functionally) pointless having camber on a daily driver, unless you're going fast enough on the street for it to make a difference in grip. For everyday use, 0 is perfect, it's what tires are designed for.

That being said, you're already at the limit for acceptable camber on the street.

[cho]

i have -3.75 in the rear, after one summer, it showed pretty severe camber wear

[Traum]

It's (functionally) pointless having camber on a daily driver, unless you're going fast enough on the street for it to make a difference in grip. For everyday use, 0 is perfect, it's what tires are designed for.

That being said, you're already at the limit for acceptable camber on the street.
If all cars on the road are only meant to drive straight, then yes, I'd agree that 0° camber is perfect. But because cars in the real world have to both go straight and turn, I would have to say that at least having some small amount of negative camber is beneficial -- it would dramatically maximize the performance envelope of the said vehicle.

From my own experience, I'd say that for street use, having even as little as -0.5° worth of front camber makes a major difference (compared to 0° camber) to the drivibility of the car.

[knight604]

If you are going to drop your car, i say do it right and get the camber kit.

[Yodamaster]

If all cars on the road are only meant to drive straight, then yes, I'd agree that 0° camber is perfect. But because cars in the real world have to both go straight and turn, I would have to say that at least having some small amount of negative camber is beneficial.

For 90% of daily driving scenarios, with 99% of the cars on the road, a minute camber adjustment doesn't really make any difference. I've driven with positive, 0, negative and irregular camber on the street, if you aren't speeding, the feeling is the same regardless. For what it's worth, 0 and -0.5 will wear about the same, but -3 is asking for trouble with wear patterns.


"But because cars in the real world have to both go straight and turn"

Clarify, camber doesn't play much of a part until you're doing a bit more than daily driving, you're dipping into the physics of steering differential.

[bigzz786786]

It looks like your on springs too. You should have gone coilovers with adjustable rear camber arms and toe bolt. I use to own a g35 coupe and slammed it too. But with coils and rear camber arms, there was enough play to get it -1.75 all around. Parts for the coupe are super cheap now adays and are a easy to install if you have slight mechanical knowlage. Do it right the first time and you save yourself a lot of headache in the future

[E-SPEC]

This is a personal preference matter. Some people are retards. and some aren't.

This guy is running too much thats for sure.

[Matsuda]

This is too much..

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11015116_904655522919929_5699684153953115647_n.jpg ?oh=515b5510bdd8c6c0a15625ebc424b642&oe=5548FCF5

[yelnats8]

I calculated the cost of getting the rear camber back to spec and its about $500 (camber kit, most likely have to roll rear fenders, install, and another alignment).

I guess I'll see how my tires wear with the camber, if it's pretty minor I think I can live with it.

Off topic but has anyone taken their lowered ride to YVR? If I'm not mistaken the speed bumps there are pretty big, do you guys scrape going over them?

[trollguy]

sorry if i missed this but how much driving to you do a year? that will also play a factor in any accelerated tire wear due to camber.

and are you referring to the speed bumps through the departure area? if so, you may be okay.. i dont know how much clearance you actually have with your car post lowering.

[yelnats8]

sorry if i missed this but how much driving to you do a year? that will also play a factor in any accelerated tire wear due to camber.

and are you referring to the speed bumps through the departure area? if so, you may be okay.. i dont know how much clearance you actually have with your car post lowering.

Not a lot, between 10k-15k.

Ya the speed bumps through the departure and arrival area and also the elevated walkways and the bump when you exit the airport. I have about 2.5" ground clearance now.

[GabAlmighty]

You joined the lowered life, go out and experiment my friend. For the most part you don't look that low, just watch your front bumper on cement barriers in parking lots.

[trollguy]

Not a lot, between 10k-15k.

Ya the speed bumps through the departure and arrival area and also the elevated walkways and the bump when you exit the airport. I have about 2.5" ground clearance now.

oh i should have specified- not how many kms but the type of driving. if you do lots of hwy driving (mostly straight), i believe wear will be much faster than city driving.. if that makes sense.

i think that makes sense. in my head at least. lol.

i think you should be ok with that clearance as gabalmighty said

[SumAznGuy]

I calculated the cost of getting the rear camber back to spec and its about $500 (camber kit, most likely have to roll rear fenders, install, and another alignment).

Wait. What wheels are you currently running? Why would you need to roll your fenders? :suspicious:

[yelnats8]

Wait. What wheels are you currently running? Why would you need to roll your fenders? :suspicious:

Stock but I added 25mm spacers all around. If I corrected my camber I will rub for sure.

[Tr1ll]

I calculated the cost of getting the rear camber back to spec and its about $500 (camber kit, most likely have to roll rear fenders, install, and another alignment).

I guess I'll see how my tires wear with the camber, if it's pretty minor I think I can live with it.

Off topic but has anyone taken their lowered ride to YVR? If I'm not mistaken the speed bumps there are pretty big, do you guys scrape going over them?
You'll be fine going through YVR at your ride height. Just go slow and don't speed through it.

[yelnats8]

hey guys, sorry to bump up my thread but I need some verification. I ended up buying a NRG rear camber kit and had the kit installed but when the shop installed the camber kit and did the alignment they couldn't reduce my negative camber. Without the kit my camber was -3.4 degrees with 0.08 degrees toe and now with the kit installed its at -3.6 degrees camber with 0.06 degrees toe. Shop said if I want to reduce my negative camber they can do it but then my toe would be out.

I thought getting camber arms would be able to bring my camber back within spec? Feels like I just wasted money on a camber kit and labor because my camber and toe is still pretty much identical to what it was without the kit.

https://www.getnrg.com/node/730/image_gallery

[bossha]

You're doing it wrong .. I heard if you get enough camber you can float on water

[mlum6969]

they are ADJUSTABLE camber arms. adjust them to whatever degree camber you want. changing camber will change the toe.
so tell them yes, adjust the camber, and readjust the toe.

[meme405]

The only thing I can think is if the stock toe adjustment doesn't have the right range after they bring your camber back into spec. Not too positive on this. I do know they make toe bolts for the G35 as well. You might have to snag a set of those.

[underscore]

What shop is doing this? Do they understand the concept of adjustable? They should be telling you what needs to be done to get the camber and toe in spec, not just saying "welp, it's fucked".

[yelnats8]

The only thing I can think is if the stock toe adjustment doesn't have the right range after they bring your camber back into spec. Not too positive on this. I do know they make toe bolts for the G35 as well. You might have to snag a set of those.

You're right, just talked to the shop again and they said I will have to get aftermarket toe bolts in order to get both the camber and toe back within spec.

[trollguy]

go to a different shop. like mlum said, they are adjustable. that means +/-

oh, i kept missing the toe point. i dont know shiz about nissan. lol.

[J.C]

my rear tires lasted like 6xxx KM before it was worn down on the edge at -5.3ish
but got them flipped to double the life :fuckyea:

[Grim]

This retard loves them cambur
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u304/azn_fryrice/LMAO_zpss4rfp3tc.jpg (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/azn_fryrice/media/LMAO_zpss4rfp3tc.jpg.html)


https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11330734_1617757968509980_1262984119_n.jpg

[Lomac]

That's just fucking stupid.

[meme405]

Lol NO issues under hard acceleration.

Yeah because the engine on it is 100% stock and it puts out the same horsepower as like a vespa. All the FRS needs is like a mountain bike tire and it will have more grip than the car can use.

Inb4 all the FRS/BRZ owners are mad at me...:troll:

[The_AK]

If you're not riding on your sidewalls, you're not doing it right

[Timpo]

http://bbs44.meiwasuisan.com/car/img4/13531996640001.jpg

[Timpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhT3C9mHLZ4

[mlum6969]

i'd say about -2.0 would be enough camber for daily. anything more would exponentially wear down the tires inside edge.

[thumper]

Not a lot, between 10k-15k.

Ya the speed bumps through the departure and arrival area and also the elevated walkways and the bump when you exit the airport. I have about 2.5" ground clearance now.


how many people and luggage are you taking with you to the airport? that 2.5" you are measuring without anyone in it might be a different story loaded up.

[Grim]

if you lower your car to a point where you have so go sideways on every single speed bump.. you've lowered it too much.
it probably hurts your handling and suspension geometry if anything.

stahppp

[Akinari]

I have around -2 up front and around -5/-5.5 in the rear.

[Lomac]

The dangers of negative camber if you don't pay attention to your tread wear...:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/304557_10151983737825080_1584589694_n.jpg?oh=75037 0ad6d3262f61081cba71f6e9062&oe=562C184C

Oops.

[Traum]

^^ Looks perfect! Steel belts for that extra bite and traction under slippery conditions! :lawl:

[BMWRicer]

I have around -2 up front and around -5/-5.5 in the rear.

I know its your car, and you build it in a way that it pleases you, but what gave you the idea of putting that much negative camber on an SUV? Trying to start a new trend?

[meme405]

It's funny cause I got my car aligned last week. At drive height my front camber is -2, my rear is at -3.2ish. Caster and Toe are within spec.

When I slam the thing my rear camber is like 10 degrees or something ridiculous, the machine failed to read it properly cause it was so tucked out.

Inspected my tires after probably 3k km and they don't even show a slight camber wear, and I don't expect to see one really. It's Toe more than anything that kills tires.

[Lomac]

It will also depend on the type of tire you're running. Softer rubber will obviously wear much quicker than the harder stuff. The picture above was a set of old winter tires that had worn down enough that I was simply using them as all-seasons during one summer. I can't recall what the camber was set at (wasn't too extreme as I had Dale's correct the majority of it with my camber kit, but I do recall that toe in/out was as at 0.

[Akinari]

I know its your car, and you build it in a way that it pleases you, but what gave you the idea of putting that much negative camber on an SUV? Trying to start a new trend?
I've never really seen my car as a true SUV, but rather a wagon-like box especially when lowered. It's just a Scion xB with more interior space and CR-V underpinnings (which is adapted from the Civic anyway). The thing can't go offroad anyway, might as well lower it for better handling and add some camber for style. Plenty of 2G xBs (which resemble more of the size and look of an Element) slammed with tons of camber, no one ever bats and eye.

I haven't had any particularly severe tire wear like meme said, although I have driven my tires for around 5,000kms and there is some very slight feathering on both rear tires appearing, so went back in for an alignment to correct the toe again. Each of my tires costs less than a full alignment so I couldn't care less.

[J.C]

when i had -3, tire wear wasn't really noticeably bad
i believe its when you get in the -4s and above that tire wear just tanks

although toe is the main factor for eating up tires, after a certain amount of camber it also plays a huge role

[SumAznGuy]

It's a combination of camber, toe and front or rear tire on a front or rear drive car.
Even at 0 camber and 0 toe, the drive wheels will always wear more than the non-drive wheels especially if you like to hard accelerate from the lights.
Same thing for braking. Since 70-90% of the braking is done with the front tires, if you like to late brake, expect the front tires to wear faster than the rears.

On a fwd car, lots of camber with 0 toe will not cause too much camber wear on the rear tire.
Lots of camber with some toe on the front tires of a fwd car is asking to change front tires frequently.

On my S2000 with autoX spec alignment, my fronts wore pretty evenly but much faster than the rears because of the toe out.
On my ITR, the rear wheels were just along for the ride and most of the time the inside wheel was off the ground in a turn so the fronts completely wore out but the rears looked close to new for tread depth.

[underscore]

I have around -2 up front and around -5/-5.5 in the rear.

better handling

:suspicious:

[yelnats8]

So I got aftermarket toe bolts and getting my car re-aligned tomorrow. I don't plan on getting a camber kit for the fronts so my front camber is currently at -2.4.

Would the car drive worse or would there be no difference if the camber in the rear was less than the front (say set at -1.5) or should I get the shop to make the rear camber match the fronts?

[Traum]

^^ Depends on the car. With a lot of FF cars, you actually want more front camber than the back because they would be understeering pigs if they run matching camber front and rear.

[yelnats8]

^ my car is RWD

[GabAlmighty]

Back end will be a little more inclined to get sideways