[CharlesInCharge]

Its around midnight and Im coming home in my mothers van and get pulled over at Hastings and Granville.

There reason being that the van is registered to a female and they noticed me driving being a male of course.
(My mothers insurance allows for other drivers to operate the car.)

Was I discriminated against here?

[rriggi]

van is registered to a female and they noticed me driving being a male

Probably just a random check, not discriminatory, inconvenient yes but be glad they checked, i.e car was stolen.

[XplicitLuder]

ya its discrimination. Shoulda told them you were actually a female

[CharlesInCharge]

Dont they need probable cause?
The police officer was a lady with a male passenger and another backup car that arrived soon after.

[pinn3r]

lol yo chill

[CharlesInCharge]

I want to cash in on any of my rights being violated in this police state.

[SpeedStars]

did CiC get hacked?? Yes there is probable cause that the van may have been stolen because it is registered under a female. If you were a female driving a car registered to another female, they may have not checked...Or if your mom's name was like Sam or Charlie

[radioman]

Welcome back CiC! Totally didn't miss you!

[CharlesInCharge]

Im not really "back"... and I still have you on my ignore list ;)

@SpeedStars
:p
I guess where we're at is if these police assumptions are actually probable cause in the laws... anyone know for sure?

edit
p.s. I had been ticketed in the past in the same van a year ago (with the same insurance clause to have others operate it).

[underscore]

They can pull you over simply to check that you have a license so I'm not too sure what the problem is here.

[CharlesInCharge]

There are three races, white, black and Asian.
To put in specifics, the officer pulling me over was another race and sex then me.

If the laws in Canada let police pull over any car to check for licensed drivers... then they can keep pulling over blacks to check their licenses all day long without any problems of civilians to file a discrimination suit then, correct?

[CCA-Dave]

Is this thread serious?

I'm 100% okay with a vehicle being pulled over at midnight because the driver (in some way or another) clearly doesn't match the registered owner. I don't think that's a profiling problem, I think it's actually a helpful and reasonable use of police resources. BECAUSE, if my car is being driven after midnight by a person who clearly doesn't match my registered name in some way or another, I would be quite happy to hear police pulled them over to find out if their story seemed reasonable or not.

Now, true, I'm a white male so probably don't experience profiling in the way that others do or feel they do. BUT I have been pulled over in the middle of the day because I'm clearly not Asian and I'm driving a vehicle with a very Asian sounding name on the ownership. In that particular case the modifications piqued the officer's interest, and when he ran the plate he realized there was very little chance I was the owner, so I was pulled over for a check. Another time I was pulled over in Montreal while driving a professional rallyists race car. The cop knew I wasn't said "top five" driver, and pulled me over to inquire as to why I had the race car and confirm that it hadn't been stolen.

In both cases I left feeling like I had found two traffic officers that were great at their jobs, and interested in doing more for the community than simply meeting a ticket quota.

-D

[zilley]

are you fucking retarded?

[Klondike]

lol just tuck your dick next time and use a falsetto.

(also wb u cheeky scrub)

[CharlesInCharge]

:)

.....
BUT I have been pulled over in the middle of the day because I'm clearly not Asian and I'm driving a vehicle with a very Asian sounding name on the ownership. In that particular case the modifications piqued the officer's interest, and when he ran the plate he realized there was very little chance I was the owner, so I was pulled over for a check. ....Why would he run your plates if you didnt do anything wrong?
This is police state bull shit... if people were pulled over in Saudi Arabia on suspicions... people would say thats what you get for living in a authoritarian state... with big brother police state tactics.
Come to Canada to live in a free country.

I suspect why they pulled me over... but they used an "unmatched registered owner" excuse... so I want to also use a profiling excuse in court so that
1) they wont target me again
2) get monetary compensation for PTSD

[CCA-Dave]

2) get monetary compensation for PTSD

sigh.

You were pulled over, grow up and deal with it.

[CharlesInCharge]

Now every police car and undercover in my view will put me in stress.
I have to conceal any Marajuana I have in the car... think of excuses for being late in my affairs.

[underscore]

Why would he run your plates if you didnt do anything wrong?

How else are they supposed to know if it's stolen or wanted for some other reason?

2) get monetary compensation for PTSD

Because you were pulled over in a car that wasn't yours? Are you fucking kidding me? You going to try and falsely claim to have a disorder that impacts and ends thousands of peoples lives just so you can try to scam some money in court?

[SoNaRWaVe]

you do know that police officers run random plate checks...amongst other reasons why they would run a plate check. maybe there was a van that was stolen recently that matched the your van's description.

stop being so self centered. its not always about you.

[Inaii]

I don't usually respond to CiC threads, but you're a fucking idiot. Please disappear again.

[meme405]

:Popcorn

[NSX]

Checking documentation is part of a traffic stop. Police have absolutely every right to stop the vehicle to check to see why the driver doesnt match the RO. You dont like it? Then dont drive a vehicle. Once you get into a vehicle, you fall under the (Traffic Safety Act) -Alberta, which i assume is very similar to BC, and you give Police a tremendous amount of power, unlike walking down the street.

[T4RAWR]

what are you doing after midnight cruising around hastings in your mom's minivan anyways?

[SoNaRWaVe]

he did say marijiuana

[v_tec]

what are you doing after midnight cruising around hastings in your mom's minivan anyways?

Renting his van out by the hour (http://www.revscene.net/forums/701798-rent-room-hour-2.html#post8603076) :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

If it wasn't you driving, and was a thief who stole the van instead, wouldn't you be happy that he got pulled over?

[Adorkami]

I don't like the idea of being pulled over for not matching the sex of the registered owner. if the want to run the plates, sure. But not a fan of having my wife pulled over because both of our vehicles are in my name.

[CCA-Dave]

I don't like the idea of being pulled over for not matching the sex of the registered owner. if the want to run the plates, sure. But not a fan of having my wife pulled over because both of our vehicles are in my name.

Does the time of day change that opinion at all? I agree with you that it's likely unreasonable during the daytime (unless, say, there is a report of a recent stolen vehicle matching description)...but late and night/early mornings, it seems completely reasonable.

-Dave

[ninjatune]

You can be pulled over in BC to check for valid licence, insurance, sobriety of the driver, and mechanical fitness. If you don`t like it that much then feel free to take the bus, hippy.

[E.D.C.5]

http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/more-popcorn.gif

[underscore]

Does the time of day change that opinion at all? I agree with you that it's likely unreasonable during the daytime (unless, say, there is a report of a recent stolen vehicle matching description)...but late and night/early mornings, it seems completely reasonable.

-Dave

I think where the registered address is vs the location of the vehicle would play a part as well. If you're mom lives in Chilliwack and you're driving her van downtown at 2AM, I'd like to think you'd be pulled over.

[FatalCloud]

OP, maybe you should have quoted her lyrics from lil wayne 'mrs officer'

Mrs. Officer, Mrs. Officer
Tell your lieutenant get them cuffs off of ya
I'm kid kid... my face on every wanted poster
I'm wanted by every lady cop all over
That ass so big I catch a battery to hold ya
My hands so big you thought I told ya to pull it over
She pulled me over... pulled me out the rover
Then she pulled me closer... threw me in the back of the car
Put me in handcuffs start ripping my pants off
(all you heard on the dispatcher is...)
Wee Ooh Wee Ooh Wee,
Wee Ooh Wee Ooh Wee,
Wee Ooh Wee Ooh Wee,

[CharlesInCharge]

She was actually good looking. (srs)
How else are they supposed to know if it's stolen or wanted for some other reason?.Do you think inbetween donut breaks and chasing down robbers that police have time to check every cars registered name and facial profile?
They profiled CCA-Dave.... maybe hes a skinny guy with extruding bone cheeks, they took him for a meth user and thief and found some excuse to interrogate him.

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge View Post
2) get monetary compensation for PTSDBecause you were pulled over in a car that wasn't yours? Are you fucking kidding me? You going to try and falsely claim to have a disorder that impacts and ends thousands of peoples lives just so you can try to scam some money in court? There are different degrees of PTSD, try reading a book once in awhile.

you do know that police officers run random plate checks...amongst other reasons why they would run a plate check. maybe there was a van that was stolen recently that matched the your van's description.

stop being so self centered. its not always about you.Or maybe there were ISIS terrorist on the loose with the same description as me.. or maybe the female cop felt bitter towards caucasian males because those are the kind of people shes had to bow down to all her years of school and police academy.
You can play 1001 scenarios, but only the court particulars will reveal some excuse of why they pulled me over... not because of matching descriptions.

I don't usually respond to CiC threads, but you're a fucking idiot. Please disappear again.

http://i.imgur.com/TXhVsrq.gif

Checking documentation is part of a traffic stop. Police have absolutely every right to stop the vehicle to check to see why the driver doesnt match the RO. You dont like it? Then dont drive a vehicle. Once you get into a vehicle, you fall under the (Traffic Safety Act) -Alberta, which i assume is very similar to BC, and you give Police a tremendous amount of power, unlike walking down the street.So Traffic Safety Act triumphs the Charter of Rights acts?

what are you doing after midnight cruising around hastings in your mom's minivan anyways?My day started out after seeing a car flipped on its side at the Chevron gas station on Georgia (took video) then I went to replace my flat tire on my 300zx which was so low to the ground that I had to use 4 different jacks replace it... I finished up at around 7pm, visited my fathers house and finally came home to this police state bullshit.
My license had expired and they gave me a $280 no license ticket... but they were nice enough not to tow my car and have my mother come and drive the van home for their police state tactics.

[CharlesInCharge]

If it wasn't you driving, and was a thief who stole the van instead, wouldn't you be happy that he got pulled over?I would rather have a stolen van then live in a police state... which is done thanks to peoples tax dollars.

I think where the registered address is vs the location of the vehicle would play a part as well. If you're mom lives in Chilliwack and you're driving her van downtown at 2AM, I'd like to think you'd be pulled over. I live in downtown... and crime isnt exclusive to night time goers... people work night shift, have a night life, or arent in the rat race... does that mean they should be okay with a police state?

[underscore]

My day started out after seeing a car flipped on its side at the Chevron gas station on Georgia (took video) then I went to replace my flat tire on my 300zx which was so low to the ground that I had to use 4 different jacks replace it... I finished up at around 7pm, visited my fathers house and finally came home to this police state bullshit.
My license had expired and they gave me a $280 no license ticket... but they were nice enough not to tow my car and have my mother come and drive the van home for their police state tactics.

:facepalm: That's exactly why they're allowed to pull people over to check for licenses you idiot.

[CharlesInCharge]

Did they have face recognition software to differentiate me from my brother or any other male that my mother would lend her car to?
Or is it that important for the police state to make everyone submit to their great powers yet the downtown East Side is the largest drug infested concentration in north America.

[CCA-Dave]

At first I thought you were trolling, but your replies have made it abundantly clear you're an idiot. I'm almost at a loss for words. If you manage to find a lawyer who doesn't laugh you out of their office, I hope the judge fines you for wasting the court's time. Please do tell us when your court date is (if you file correctly, I'd estimate early-mid 2016), I'd take a day off and enjoy the session.

Just out of curiosity, do you think this will be handled in the traffic court where a challenge to your expired license ticket would be, or some other court?

-Dave

[CharlesInCharge]

Canada is a "bastion of freedom"... they shall provide me a lawyer for my charter rights.

The ticket is valid, unless the judge does a 360
Other times this happens when the police coincidentally catch a CIA smuggler but the courts throw out the case because there was no probable cause to get pulled over. (constitution rights [USA] violated as an excuse?)

[CRS]

Canada is a "bastion of freedom"... they shall provide me a lawyer for my charter rights.

The ticket is valid, unless the judge does a 360
Other times this happens when the police coincidentally catch a CIA smuggler but the courts throw out the case because there was no probable cause to get pulled over. (constitution rights [USA] violated as an excuse?)


For someone that's pretty snide about telling others to read books, you'd figure that they would know a 360 is a full circle resulting is no change of direction.

[geeknerd]

Its a privilege to drive and not a right. You're fine to transit/cab/walk around without ID if you want.

[NSX]

Wow. How do you survive in this world. Dont answer.

[hchang]

Stop feeding the troll

[v_tec]

Can a mod move this to Off-Topics / fight club so we can all fail OP :badpokerface:

[CharlesInCharge]

Yes to the Off Topic so sheeple will learned.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yes to the Off Topic so sheeple will learned.
K

[murd0c]

Welcome back CiC I for one missed you being gone!!

[ts14]

CIC = ILLUMINATI

[spoon.ek9]

are you fucking retarded?

have you not seen his body of work before? :lol

[Euro7r]

I was heading over to my buddies place at 5AM in the morning once and the cop pulled me over and asked me if I was the registered owner of the vehicle because it is registered to a female (my mother) and I told them it's my mom car.

Cops just trying to make sure the vehicle isn't stolen etc.

[JD¹³]

They pulled you over because they know you're hiding MH370 up your ass. Shoulda hit them with your 30mm cannon :Pbjt:

[StylinRed]

they're not really allowed to random stop, however, it was argued many many years ago (80s iirc) that random stops is a reasonable limit on the Charter as it deals with public/road safety which is a benefit to the gen pop

so they are allowed to random stop

[quasi]

They pulled you over because the area you were in and the time of night, the not matching the registered sex of the vehicle owner was just icing on the cake. They wanted to see if a) you were drunk or b) if you were alone just trolling for drugs or hookers.

Chucky the solution is quit trolling for hastings hookers at midnight and the popo will leave you alone.

[Mr.HappySilp]

This is what you should do
1. Get a lawyer and sue the police
2. Get your story printed on every single newspaper, news outlet, Internet, radio stations, talk shows
3. Profit!

[GLOW]

Reminds me of human rights violations at McDonalds


This thread...
http://www.revscene.net/forums/customavatars/avatar21005_12.gif

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

Now every police car and undercover in my view will put me in stress.
I have to conceal any Marajuana I have in the car... think of excuses for being late in my affairs.

GTFO of revscene bro

[CRS]

Reminds me of human rights violations at McDonalds


This thread...
http://www.revscene.net/forums/customavatars/avatar21005_12.gif

:lol

Did you see my avatar and was like "yeah, that'll work good"? Although I'm sure the argument can be made for most, if not, all of CiC's threads.

[Soundy]

I think all the chemtrails and Fukushima radiation and GMO vaccines have finally fully rotted Chuckie's brain.

[SoNaRWaVe]

i think it was rotted way before hand....

[Manic!]

There are three races, white, black and Asian.


What the fuck man, my brown ass does not count?

[Alby]

:)

Why would he run your plates if you didnt do anything wrong?
This is police state bull shit... if people were pulled over in Saudi Arabia on suspicions... people would say thats what you get for living in a authoritarian state... with big brother police state tactics.
Come to Canada to live in a free country.

I suspect why they pulled me over... but they used an "unmatched registered owner" excuse... so I want to also use a profiling excuse in court so that
1) they wont target me again
2) get monetary compensation for PTSD

can i get monetary compensation from you for PTSD? im now afraid to read posts in case it maybe posted by CiC which may cause my brain to explode

[SkinnyPupp]

IMO there's one race - human.

[meme405]

IMO there's one race - human.

Really?

Cause I could have sworn the Zionists are a different race...

[GLOW]

:lol

Did you see my avatar and was like "yeah, that'll work good"?

actually ya, pretty much :lol

[moody]

I got pulled over because I was driving my sisters car and she's the registered owner. She lives in downtown and I was in Burnaby. They asked me where she lived, named ..etc. It is just a routine check. I'm sure the officer does not have anything against you. Dont get your panties in a bunxh. It is Not worth stressing over.

[Soundy]

"...any discrimination rights violated here?"

No - you have every right to be discriminated against.

[Akinari]

CiC threads are always so amazing

[Gumby]

:inout:

[Hot Karl]

i thought this guy killed himself in cali after he killed his roommates and shot up bitches because he's a virgin.

[Presto]

Welcome back CiC! Totally didn't miss you!

Im not really "back"... and I still have you on my ignore list ;)


LOL. If you're still checking what was written then you are ignoring nothing. You're just creating an extra step to read something. As usual, you're only fooling yourself. Bravo.

[pastarocket]

inb4 CiC makes a post stating that its a conspiracy against all male drivers who drive vans in sketchy areas of town. :facepalm:

[T4RAWR]

Canada is a "bastion of freedom"... they shall provide me a lawyer for my charter rights.

actually... you need to make an application for legal aid. a lawyer is not simply provided to you. also, there has to be a risk of jail and the matter has to be a criminal offence. you are provided the opportunity to obtain free legal advice from a duty counsel/lawyer but that is at the time of an "arrest" where your charter rights are read to you.

you were issued a violation ticket which does not require you to be arrested and thus, does not require you to be chartered. if you want to pursue legal means civilly or for your VT you will have to pay for that yourself.


The ticket is valid, unless the judge does a 360
Other times this happens when the police coincidentally catch a CIA smuggler but the courts throw out the case because there was no probable cause to get pulled over. (constitution rights [USA] violated as an excuse?)

generally, with the exception of a very few amount of courts (usually in small towns) your matter will be heard by a justice of the peace, not a judge.

the ticket is of course valid, a justice of the peace or potentially a judge, may overturn the ticket but that will be up to you to dispute in court. you will have a chance to provide your evidence (which in this case seems non-existent) and the officer will provide his/her evidence.

i dont think that a justice of the peace or judge will overturn the ticket in this instance given that the officer has satisfied reasonable and probable grounds that you operated a motor vehicle contrary to requirements of the motor vehicle act by not having in your possession a valid driver's licence. it would be easy to prove given that, A) you failed to produce your driver's licence when you were stopped and B) it would be simple enough for them to call up ICBC and ask if you had a valid licence on such and such date.

my advice is to just pay the ticket early to get the discount.


good luck with the civil suit, if you win your case make sure to update us here.

[jasonturbo]

Really?

Cause I could have sworn the Zionists are a different race...

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[Soundy]

The ticket is valid, unless the judge does a 360


You realize that's a compete circle, right?

[CharlesInCharge]

Jimmies rustled?
http://i.imgur.com/UuCYvYt.gif



Look at how the backup car positioned himself... he was standing outside and along corner while 3 young ladies just happen to be walking down the side walk. (cant make out people in video)
A little embarrassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeSiM0UuKws
my ticket http://i.imgur.com/nBUSgtf.jpg

Video of the flipped car on that YouTube channel
http://i.imgur.com/9GJAhHB.jpg
Welcome back CiC I for one missed you being gone!!Thanks

I was heading over to my buddies place at 5AM in the morning once and the cop pulled me over and asked me if I was the registered owner of the vehicle because it is registered to a female (my mother) and I told them it's my mom car.

Cops just trying to make sure the vehicle isn't stolen etc.Most likely not in my case.

A little more detail into my case is that last year I had consecutive no insurance tickets... this racked me up $800. Kept doing it because it doesnt count as points on your license... thing is I wasnt aware of the near 360 beam their camara's have.

The police are using these very advanced big brother tools to enforce their police state.
I also played some friendly "freeman on the land" games over a decade back before it was popular. With my license being expired... they pretty much pulled the van over to see if its me to ticket and tow. Thats fucked, the police state has its net out to catch you before you even break any laws on the road.

For someone that's pretty snide about telling others to read books, you'd figure that they would know a 360 is a full circle resulting is no change of direction.A 360 means going back to where you started. Get with the times man.
http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Why_54c132_1415960.gif

http://imageshack.us/a/img530/9875/360walkawayjk0.gif

They pulled you over because the area you were in and the time of night, the not matching the registered sex of the vehicle owner was just icing on the cake. They wanted to see if a) you were drunk or b) if you were alone just trolling for drugs or hookers.

Chucky the solution is quit trolling for hastings hookers at midnight and the popo will leave you alone.This is downtown Vancouver where the car is registered... not some small town or suburb.

What the fuck man, my brown ass does not count?You're indian Caucasian.


I got pulled over because I was driving my sisters car and she's the registered owner. She lives in downtown and I was in Burnaby. They asked me where she lived, named ..etc. It is just a routine check. I'm sure the officer does not have anything against you. Dont get your panties in a bunxh. It is Not worth stressing over. It was probably an excuse to pull you over and catch you off guard to find something... or they profiled you as a criminal.

LOL. If you're still checking what was written then you are ignoring nothing. You're just creating an extra step to read something. As usual, you're only fooling yourself. Bravo.It took me a long time to build up my ignore list... it lets me keep track of the trolls and sheeple.

[CharlesInCharge]

actually... you need to make an application for legal aid. a lawyer is not simply provided to you. also, there has to be a risk of jail and the matter has to be a criminal offence. you are provided the opportunity to obtain free legal advice from a duty counsel/lawyer but that is at the time of an "arrest" where your charter rights are read to you.

you were issued a violation ticket which does not require you to be arrested and thus, does not require you to be chartered. if you want to pursue legal means civilly or for your VT you will have to pay for that yourself. So the Charter rights freedoms is exclusive to people who have money to get a lawyer? I'll file at the U.N. human rights branch. What ever to try and keep these guys away from bugging me in the future.



...

my advice is to just pay the ticket early to get the discount.


good luck with the civil suit, if you win your case make sure to update us here.Thanks, I will pursue it and keep you guys updated.

[SkinnyPupp]

:Popcorn:

[Soundy]

So the Charter rights freedoms is exclusive to people who have money to get a lawyer?
Um, no. State-funded lawyers are reserved for those who actually need them. If you got one for some bullshit complaint like this, that might mean some battered mother trying to escape an abusive husband can't get the representation she needs.

[CRS]

If CIC can't even admit he was wrong with basic geometry, he will never admit he is wrong with anything else.

[CCA-Dave]

A little more detail into my case is that last year I had consecutive no insurance tickets... this racked me up $800. Kept doing it because it doesnt count as points on your license... thing is I wasnt aware of the near 360 beam their camara's have.
So now you've admitted to willfully breaking the Law, as per the BC Motor Vehicle Act section 3. I guess in your world the law only counts if you think it should?


they pretty much pulled the van over to see if its me to ticket and tow. Thats fucked, the police state has its net out to catch you before you even break any laws on the road.
First question: Was it your own vehicle, or your Mom's vehicle that you racked up multiple no insurance tickets in?
If it was your mom's, than I'd say there is good and probable cause for pulling over that vehicle to confirm it has valid insurance.
If it was your own vehicle, not the one you were driving, I can almost guarantee there was another reason for the stop.


A 360 means going back to where you started.
That would be a 180. I go back to my previous statement. You sir, are an idiot.


So the Charter rights freedoms is exclusive to people who have money to get a lawyer? I'll file at the U.N. human rights branch. What ever to try and keep these guys away from bugging me in the future.
I will say it again, you have absolutely no idea what you're getting into. You failed to answer my questions last time, but your answer here confirms you don't even know what level of court you would make that challenge in. I have actually challenged the province on a section of the charter of rights and freedoms, and thus I state again with experience: You have NO idea what you're getting into. Since you're so interested in the charter of rights and freedoms, may I suggest that you actually go and read the charter? You see, the right to counsel (a lawyer) is covered under section 10 of the charter of rights and freedoms. 10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention
a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

The key point, in your case is "on arrest or detention". In your case of challenging the province on a violation of your rights and freedoms, you are not the defendant. You are the plaintiff, not the defendant, and there is nothing in Canadian Law that provides council to a plaintiff. Knowing that you are likely to try and twist the word 'detention' into being stopped at the side of the road for purpose of checking your license and insurance information, I suggest you partake of that 'reading books' activity where you will find that a roadside stop is not 'detention' as described in the charter.

Lastly, legal aid in BC is provided by the legal services provider. Presuming that you meet their financial guidelines, you'll discover that neither your license ticket nor your challenge to the charter of rights and freedoms falls under the areas legal aid is provided:
Legal problems that may be covered by legal aid include:
criminal charges,
mental health and prison issues,
serious family problems,
child protection matters, and
immigration problems.

lol, okay coffee break over. Back to work...

-Dave

[NSX]

Borderline retarded.


You should move to Alberta. Love to see you here for "no insurance" - $2300 fine or 45 days in jail.

[CRS]

So now you've admitted to willfully breaking the Law, as per the BC Motor Vehicle Act section 3. I guess in your world the law only counts if you think it should?


First question: Was it your own vehicle, or your Mom's vehicle that you racked up multiple no insurance tickets in?
If it was your mom's, than I'd say there is good and probable cause for pulling over that vehicle to confirm it has valid insurance.
If it was your own vehicle, not the one you were driving, I can almost guarantee there was another reason for the stop.


That would be a 180. I go back to my previous statement. You sir, are an idiot.



I will say it again, you have absolutely no idea what you're getting into. You failed to answer my questions last time, but your answer here confirms you don't even know what level of court you would make that challenge in. I have actually challenged the province on a section of the charter of rights and freedoms, and thus I state again with experience: You have NO idea what you're getting into. Since you're so interested in the charter of rights and freedoms, may I suggest that you actually go and read the charter? You see, the right to counsel (a lawyer) is covered under section 10 of the charter of rights and freedoms.

The key point, in your case is "on arrest or detention". In your case of challenging the province on a violation of your rights and freedoms, you are not the defendant. You are the plaintiff, not the defendant, and there is nothing in Canadian Law that provides council to a plaintiff. Knowing that you are likely to try and twist the word 'detention' into being stopped at the side of the road for purpose of checking your license and insurance information, I suggest you partake of that 'reading books' activity where you will find that a roadside stop is not 'detention' as described in the charter.

Lastly, legal aid in BC is provided by the legal services provider. Presuming that you meet their financial guidelines, you'll discover that neither your license ticket nor your challenge to the charter of rights and freedoms falls under the areas legal aid is provided:


lol, okay coffee break over. Back to work...

-Dave

☐ NOT REKT ☑ REKT

[T4RAWR]

So the Charter rights freedoms is exclusive to people who have money to get a lawyer? I'll file at the U.N. human rights branch. What ever to try and keep these guys away from bugging me in the future.



that's not exactly what i stated... the charter applies to all Canadians residing in Canada. you are wanting a free lawyer for the purposes of disputing a traffic violation. legal aid is usually reserved for people who make under a certain income bracket, have a risk of jail, etc etc... :)

there is the UBC Law Students' Legal Advice Program available to you as well. they are completely free and may consider taking on your case if you really feel that you need legal representation to dispute your violation ticket.


I suppose as a last ditch resort you could also take your case to pivot legal society who take on cases for the disenfranchised and downtrodden.



by the way, i don't think you have to go as far as the U.N. human rights counsel in regards to making your application. There is a BC human rights coalition that may be able to assist you if you feel that your rights as a Canadian have been infringed upon.





Thanks, I will pursue it and keep you guys updated.

i look forward to it. :)

[underscore]

A little more detail into my case is that last year I had consecutive no insurance tickets... this racked me up $800. Kept doing it because it doesnt count as points on your license... thing is I wasnt aware of the near 360 beam their camara's have.

The tickets are $596 each, so your statement makes no sense. But looking at the rest of your post, you're just a delusional troll.

Mods, can we finally ban this stupid fuck? This clown is just a worthless troll at best.

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[bobbinka]

I came into this thread with the slight hope that CiC's police stop would end with him being tazed in the nuts. I am disappointed. :(

[Ronin]

So when you told them the car is your mother's, did they pull you out of the car and beat you with sticks? If that happened, then maybe they were discriminating.

If they said, "Oh, my mistake, sir. You have a good night now." after asking you a few questions like they probably did, then I'd chalk that up to the police actually doing their job. They saw something suspicious, like someone driving a car that they aren't the owner of, and they stopped a car. Yes, they profiled...they profiled you correctly.

[SkinnyPupp]

The tickets are $596 each, so your statement makes no sense. But looking at the rest of your post, you're just a delusional troll.

Mods, can we finally ban this stupid fuck? This clown is just a worthless troll at best.



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We're not banning him, if you think he's worthless just add him to your ignore list

[CharlesInCharge]

What a preppy or square, probably never broke a rule in his life to find out that they dont always give you the maximum fine for breaking the rules.

Um, no. State-funded lawyers are reserved for those who actually need them. If you got one for some bullshit complaint like this, that might mean some battered mother trying to escape an abusive husband can't get the representation she needs.Had these three officers not been occupied keeping "ICBC's" interests to charge me money... a women may have been battered from a lack of cops in the city. :concentrate:

So now you've admitted to willfully breaking the Law, as per the BC Motor Vehicle Act section 3. I guess in your world the law only counts if you think it should?
Do you serve the Queen? These laws against freedom of movement are unlawful.


First question: Was it your own vehicle, or your Mom's vehicle that you racked up multiple no insurance tickets in?
If it was your mom's, than I'd say there is good and probable cause for pulling over that vehicle to confirm it has valid insurance.
If it was your own vehicle, not the one you were driving, I can almost guarantee there was another reason for the stop.
It was my mothers ownership and the police camera & laptops are continually updating (wireless-ly) from the ICBC database.


That would be a 180. I go back to my previous statement. You sir, are an idiot.
no you are. :whistle:


I will say it again, you have absolutely no idea what you're getting into. You failed to answer my questions last time, but your answer here confirms you don't even know what level of court you would make that challenge in. I have actually challenged the province on a section of the charter of rights and freedoms, and thus I state again with experience: You have NO idea what you're getting into. Since you're so interested in the charter of rights and freedoms, may I suggest that you actually go and read the charter? You see, the right to counsel (a lawyer) is covered under section 10 of the charter of rights and freedoms.
I dont expect to win like you... I just want to rustle some jimmies so that they'll leave me alone.
Maybe I'll call the RCMP and ask how to file a claim against the VPD corporation for charter of rights violations.

The key point, in your case is "on arrest or detention". In your case of challenging the province on a violation of your rights and freedoms, you are not the defendant. You are the plaintiff, not the defendant, and there is nothing in Canadian Law that provides council to a plaintiff. Knowing that you are likely to try and twist the word 'detention' into being stopped at the side of the road for purpose of checking your license and insurance information, I suggest you partake of that 'reading books' activity where you will find that a roadside stop is not 'detention' as described in the charter.
I'll tell the Canadian government that I only understand simple words and seek justice in being profiled. we'll see how much freedom I can squeeze out from Canada's court system.

Lastly, legal aid in BC is provided by the legal services provider. Presuming that you meet their financial guidelines, you'll discover that neither your license ticket nor your challenge to the charter of rights and freedoms falls under the areas legal aid is provided:
Im poor, lets see how far it takes me.

lol, okay coffee break over. Back to work...

-Dave


Borderline retarded.


You should move to Alberta. Love to see you here for "no insurance" - $2300 fine or 45 days in jail.Big Brother loves you guys.


that's not exactly what i stated... the charter applies to all Canadians residing in Canada. you are wanting a free lawyer for the purposes of disputing a traffic violation. legal aid is usually reserved for people who make under a certain income bracket, have a risk of jail, etc etc... :)

there is the UBC Law Students' Legal Advice Program available to you as well. they are completely free and may consider taking on your case if you really feel that you need legal representation to dispute your violation ticket.


I suppose as a last ditch resort you could also take your case to pivot legal society who take on cases for the disenfranchised and downtrodden.



by the way, i don't think you have to go as far as the U.N. human rights counsel in regards to making your application. There is a BC human rights coalition that may be able to assist you if you feel that your rights as a Canadian have been infringed upon.






i look forward to it. :)Thanks for those links, I wont attempt to dispute the ticket, just the profiling and even compensation for my PTSD.

So when you told them the car is your mother's, did they pull you out of the car and beat you with sticks? If that happened, then maybe they were discriminating.

If they said, "Oh, my mistake, sir. You have a good night now." after asking you a few questions like they probably did, then I'd chalk that up to the police actually doing their job. They saw something suspicious, like someone driving a car that they aren't the owner of, and they stopped a car. Yes, they profiled...they profiled you correctly.I was reading how cold night drivers that had their window down were target pull overs for police because drunks leave their windows down... but really is this how a free society is run? I cant enjoy keeping my windows down now in-case police might target me? Just me telling you guys that... will create future PTSD for some of you and you can thank the police state for that.

[underscore]

I just want to rustle some jimmies so that they'll leave me alone.

But how are they supposed to know who you are before they pull you over genius?

[Alby]

CiC, it seems like you detest the laws that all citizens abide by. if you feel that these laws are unjust and that you do not need to follow them, just uproot and start residing in another country that meets your standards.

[CharlesInCharge]

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/how-about-no.jpg

[Xu.Vi]

Still can't get over the fact you want to be compensated for PTSD. It must be so traumatic whenever you hear the sirens and lights flashing everywhere from your flashbacks...

[Ronin]

I was reading how cold night drivers that had their window down were target pull overs for police because drunks leave their windows down... but really is this how a free society is run? I cant enjoy keeping my windows down now in-case police might target me? Just me telling you guys that... will create future PTSD for some of you and you can thank the police state for that.

If the police target you for having your windows down because you might be drunk? Then good. It'll catch people that are actually drunk. Once they realize you're not drunk, you'll be on your way after a minute or two of stopping at the side of the road. That seems like a small price to pay to get drunk drivers off the roads. If that gives you PTSD, then you're just weird.

[GLOW]

wait... OP drives without insurance? that gives me PTSD...who do i sue?

[CCA-Dave]

OP, please.

I'll donate to the kickstarter. hahahaha

[Soundy]

CiC, it seems like you detest the laws that all citizens abide by. if you feel that these laws are unjust and that you do not need to follow them, just uproot and start residing in another country that meets your standards.
No no, I kinda like this concept... it means I can beat CiC senseless just because I don't feel like assault laws apply to me.

[Alby]

:thumbs::thumbs:

[mr_chin]

I was reading how cold night drivers that had their window down were target pull overs for police because drunks leave their windows down... but really is this how a free society is run? I cant enjoy keeping my windows down now in-case police might target me? Just me telling you guys that... will create future PTSD for some of you and you can thank the police state for that.

Don't blame the police for doing their job by keeping drunk drivers off the road, blame the people in our society who drink and drive and keeping their windows rolled down. If 15/30 people in a crowd have stolen something... all 30 people will be stopped and searched. If the 15 innocent have nothing to hide, they'll be on their way in seconds.

If you had problems with the police about driving without insurance IN THE SAME vehicle, don't blame them for pulling you over to check if your insurance is valid. You're either pissed because you WILL have something to hide in the future or you just don't understand that it is their job to enforce the law.

It's a free society because we have laws. You keep saying police state, this is nothing like police state. When you have check points at every entrance to Richmond from Vancouver, Burnaby to Surrey, that's police state. Just think about it for a second if police weren't doing their job and have people running around stealing, killing, drinking and driving, etc. You'll find something else to complain about.

[StylinRed]

So the Charter rights freedoms is exclusive to people who have money to get a lawyer? I'll file at the U.N. human rights branch. What ever to try and keep these guys away from bugging me in the future.



Thanks, I will pursue it and keep you guys updated.

I told you it had already been decided that random stops under the motor vehicle act was deemed a reasonable imposition on the charter (was just too lazy to dig out the specific info), you won't have a charter argument but being mad about it is expected and there's nothing wrong with that (since it is an infringement on your rights, just a reasonable one)

as for Legal Aid, the Liberals have decimated it over the years they've been in power that's why you won't get it unless it's a serious case with the possibility of serious jail time

[multicartual]

Why do you people have so much time to write long replies if you think he's such a troll?

[Soundy]

Why do you people have so much time to write long replies if you think he's such a troll?

Because RS.

[CharlesInCharge]

Still can't get over the fact you want to be compensated for PTSD. It must be so traumatic whenever you hear the sirens and lights flashing everywhere from your flashbacks...The fact of seeing a Dodge Charger (police car or not) now has given me PTSD.
http://www.gandzcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2012-Dodge-Charger-SXT-Blacktop-Rear-Angle-View.jpg

If the police target you for having your windows down because you might be drunk? Then good. It'll catch people that are actually drunk. Once they realize you're not drunk, you'll be on your way after a minute or two of stopping at the side of the road. That seems like a small price to pay to get drunk drivers off the roads. If that gives you PTSD, then you're just weird.Our society revolves around the promotion of sex, drugs/alcohol, and materialism... fix that before rebutting with crocodile tears on how these police state stops are acceptable to save people.

Don't blame the police for doing their job by keeping drunk drivers off the road, blame the people in our society who drink and drive and keeping their windows rolled down. If 15/30 people in a crowd have stolen something... all 30 people will be stopped and searched. If the 15 innocent have nothing to hide, they'll be on their way in seconds.

If you had problems with the police about driving without insurance IN THE SAME vehicle, don't blame them for pulling you over to check if your insurance is valid. You're either pissed because you WILL have something to hide in the future or you just don't understand that it is their job to enforce the law.

It's a free society because we have laws. You keep saying police state, this is nothing like police state. When you have check points at every entrance to Richmond from Vancouver, Burnaby to Surrey, that's police state. Just think about it for a second if police weren't doing their job and have people running around stealing, killing, drinking and driving, etc. You'll find something else to complain about.Check points between towns like in Isreal is the not the definition of a police state.
I can write a whole page on how we live in a police state for the sheeple to understand... but I'll let these pictures do the talking of whats to come rather then waste energy.


Lets talk about Sandy Hook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZbclCel1J8

http://i.imgur.com/wWokmNH.jpg
edit - previous low quality pictures turned out to be false


You can also read these articles for a start.
National Grieving or Unveiling of Police State Canada? | Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/15/national-grieving-or-unveiling-of-police-state-canada/)
Law, Criminality, and Assaults on Indigenous Peoples | Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/30/law-criminality-and-assaults-on-indigenous-peoples/)

I told you it had already been decided that random stops under the motor vehicle act was deemed a reasonable imposition on the charter (was just too lazy to dig out the specific info), you won't have a charter argument but being mad about it is expected and there's nothing wrong with that (since it is an infringement on your rights, just a reasonable one)

as for Legal Aid, the Liberals have decimated it over the years they've been in power that's why you won't get it unless it's a serious case with the possibility of serious jail timeI read that the race or ethnicity of suspects pulled over in Canada is not recorded. Does this mean they can profile people all day long and no Charter Rights are broken? If its not a Charter Rights violation... its some kind of violation... I'll file at the U.N. if no options are available.

[mr_chin]

http://i.imgur.com/W5b23Ff.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wWokmNH.jpg

-edits
wheres the yellow line?
http://i.imgur.com/Pi7gu4D.jpg

Also children are being evacuated... why stop and rearrange the children?
http://i.imgur.com/Q4btOo0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TSN6sOe.jpg

See the shoe lace change...
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/shannonhicksphoto1withdialogue1-jpg.9015/
https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/shannonhicksphoto1adialogue1-jpg.9014/


You've got to be joking me. Your definition of police state is this?

[underscore]

^ in that last one, that's not even the same group of kids...

[CharlesInCharge]

@mr_chin
What are the five main points of a police state to you?

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Do you agree with this definition?
: a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police and especially secret police in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to publicly known legal procedures

As to my situation, I found some possible avenues to take my case to...
Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP
https://www.crcc-ccetp.gc.ca/en/provincial-links

[parm104]

The fact of seeing a Dodge Charger (police car or not) now has given me PTSD.

If its not a Charter Rights violation... its some kind of violation... I'll file at the U.N. if no options are available.

LOL PTSD! LOLOL.

Also, please let us all know how your "U.N. Filing" goes. Share with the rest of RevScene how successful you are with your Human Rights violation claim.

What Human Right exactly will you be claiming to be violated?

[CharlesInCharge]

Is it the native Americans and immigrant Hispanics that are the visible minorities in Canada and are associated with higher incidents of crime?
Would you see a problem with setting up a police road check coming into downtown and pulling those ethnicity over to double check their papers and look for drugs, weapons, and tools for stealing?

[parm104]

Is it the native Americans and immigrant Hispanics that are the visible minorities in Canada and are associated with higher incidents of crime?
Would you see a problem with setting up a police road check coming into downtown and pulling those ethnicity over to double check their papers and look for drugs, weapons, and tools for stealing?

As you are ignorant to the law and the history of how the law has affected people...I will enlighten you by letting you know that gender unlike race and ethnicity, are not subject to higher scrutiny. Legally, race and ethnicity have had a long-standing history of misrepresentation and marginalization in front of the law and gender (especially the male gender), simply has not.

Secondly, there is a fundamental difference between stopping someone at random because a police officer ran the vehicle tags and realized that a vehicle registered to a female was being driven by a male and with police purposefully pulling over minorities to look for drugs, weapons and tools for stealing.

Again, what human rights violation was made by your police stop?

You can sit here and cry all you want on an online forum but I suggest you put your money where you mouth is and prove everyone wrong who sees right through your bullshit. If you seriously believe you have standing, make a human rights claim with the U.N. as you suggested, file a civil rights claim with the Federal Government, and show us some action rather than you mouth running; or in this case, your fingers typing on a keyboard.

[CharlesInCharge]

..I will enlighten you by letting you know that gender unlike race and ethnicity, are not subject to higher scrutiny. Legally, race and ethnicity have had a long-standing history of misrepresentation and marginalization in front of the law and gender (especially the male gender), simply has not.Men are the hunter gatherers, its often them committing crimes to feed their families or drug problems (women easily sell their bodies)... so yes they are subject to higher scrutiny.

Secondly, there is a fundamental difference between stopping someone at random because a police officer ran the vehicle tags and realized that a vehicle registered to a female was being driven by a male and with police purposefully pulling over minorities to look for drugs, weapons and tools for stealing.So going by your logic this gives legality to pull over millions of drivers in Canada as millions upon millions let other people (family members and friends) drive their car.
its not a good excuse to cover up police state tactics.

Again, what human rights violation was made by your police stop?Its like I asked you in my last post... so your Indian (telling from your user name) and people of your ethnicity are prominently living in Surrey. Would there be any human rights violations if police setup road checks before bridges going into the lower mainland and obviously stopping to check all Indians papers?

You can sit here and cry all you want on an online forum but I suggest you put your money where you mouth is and prove everyone wrong who sees right through your bullshit. If you seriously believe you have standing, make a human rights claim with the U.N. as you suggested, file a civil rights claim with the Federal Government, and show us some action rather than you mouth running; or in this case, your fingers typing on a keyboard.You dont need to come into this thread and read about me running my mouth. I'll take action when I want.

[Ronin]

Our society revolves around the promotion of sex, drugs/alcohol, and materialism... fix that before rebutting with crocodile tears on how these police state stops are acceptable to save people.

What's there to fix?

Sex, drugs, alcohol and materialism are all awesome.

[CharlesInCharge]

:p
Ahhmm... no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zhxl5QMf5rc

[parm104]

.
... so your Indian (telling from your user name)


OMG! PTSD!! You just called me Indian based on my profile name. Racial-profiling! WoW, I expect this type of discriminatory behaviour from the police but not from someone with such high stature and amazing grammar such as yourself!

You'll be hearing from the United Nations Civil Rights Tribunal very soon! They told me after they decide on this genocide case they're looking at from Uganda, my case is next in line.

[CharlesInCharge]

My Indian school mate is named Parm, an Indian origin name... and yes when police look at your name, they will judge you not because there are many intellectual Indians in university, as doctors, or trolls that scrutinize about grammar... they think of the Indian gangsters living the thug life.

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Police state proof

Aboriginal corrections report finds 'systemic discrimination
'"A 'cloud' over Canada's human rights record"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aboriginal-corrections-report-finds-systemic-discrimination-1.1338498

[multicartual]

they think of the Indian gang bangers living the thug life.


https://entertainmentmaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gangsofwasseypur2_01.jpg

[CCA-Dave]

Lol. "police state", "profiling"

... so your Indian (telling from your user name)

http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/5289465+_b5033e41c86914e0f0ba519f50f2f4e0.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

If someone is named Arash, people familiar with Iranian names will in your logic "profile" that person as being Iranian. This is offensive?
How does this work Dave... would Iranians be the expectation to your rule if they recognize Arash as being Iranian? or is everyone a racist profiler for associating names to country of origin???

[CCA-Dave]

How does this work Dave...

I'm quite confident no one can figure out how things 'work' in your head. You're the one that has problems with non-existent profiling, but then demonstrate clear profiling in your own posts...so really, it is you that should be explaining how this works, no?

[CharlesInCharge]

Here let me break it down for you...

I go to a party
http://www.toonpool.com/user/856/files/xmas_party_1000735.jpg

I get introduced to a group of people and starting talking to this one girl... she says her name is Paven.
http://www.bravotv.com/sites/nbcubravotv/files/styles/card-thumbnail--computer/public/bravo_video_thumbnails/NBCU_Bravo/73/763/150224_2849385_Get_to_Know_Asifa.jpg

I then "profile" her and guess her background from past experiences of meeting Indians with that name.

"Are you Indian?"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-fCYcmsoJwro/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/7AF_eIuXSok/photo.jpg

And if you were in that group, you'd claim... what exactly?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/042/354/thats-racist.gif

[underscore]

CiC does know BC isn't part of the US, right? ...right?

[Soundy]

CiC does know BC isn't part of the US, right? ...right?
We're all cut from the same Zionist cloth.

[Soundy]

The fact of seeing a Dodge Charger (police car or not) now has given me PTSD.

....

Check points between towns like in Isreal is the not the definition of a police state.

Why aren't you living in Israel then? I mean aside from the fact you can't spell it properly... it's clearly not a police state, they don't have black Dodge Chargers as cop cars, and there are more Zionists than you can shake a stick at. It's also not prone to ocean-drifting Fukushima radiation.

[CharlesInCharge]

Why aren't you living in Israel then? I mean aside from the fact you can't spell it properly... it's clearly not a police state, they don't have black Dodge Chargers as cop cars, and there are more Zionists than you can shake a stick at. It's also not prone to ocean-drifting Fukushima radiation.
My point was that check points between towns alone is not the singular definition of a police state. Modern day israhell also doesnt deserve to be spelt as ancient Israel.

How great America is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCsAxF28cI

[white rocket]

TL;DR

Police can pull you over for whatever. Honestly. It's up to you to fight it if you feel your rights were violated. You put up a stink during that situation then you're gonna get tagged for resisting. But, driving your mom's van, registered to her and a male is driving? For sure they want to make sure the vehicle isn't stolen. Happens all the time. Good for the cops for being up on that shit.

[Akinari]

Why is this even a thread

[CharlesInCharge]

@white rocket
Just to empathize, Im not delusional about there being actual true rights in this country... our citizenship\birth certificate makes us a corporate own entity.

As to your other comment.
http://i.imgur.com/SpFRJ6h.jpg

[white rocket]

Why is this even a thread

It gives us something to do. Some peeps just stir the pot and some create a pot to be stirred. Honestly, if creating a thread for the most ridiculous shit ever was a crime then CiC should be serving a life sentence.

[6o4__boi]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/154/912/berneydidnotread.gif

[white rocket]

When cops pull you over, play nice, answer their questions, keep your fucking opinions to yourself and conform. You won't have a problem unless you have a problem. Seems cowardly to say that but we, the people, give police a certain level of power to make that judgement call. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong.

Bitching about discrimination and whatnot is just dumb in this certain circumstance.

[CharlesInCharge]

Try reading the whole thread next time.

[white rocket]

You mean this:

Its around midnight and Im coming home in my mothers van and get pulled over at Hastings and Granville.

There reason being that the van is registered to a female and they noticed me driving being a male of course.
(My mothers insurance allows for other drivers to operate the car.)

Was I discriminated against here?

I believe I covered this already

[CharlesInCharge]

Nope.

------------

Lots of police crimes documented here
PINAC - Be the Media - Little Brother Watching Big Brother (http://photographyisnotacrime.com/)

[white rocket]

FailFish What am I missing then?

[CharlesInCharge]

It wasnt just profiling, their big brother tactics took into account my history and license validation... a lot has been said in this thread... not worth read.

[white rocket]

You mean they actually did a bit of a background checking and noticed a few things worth mentioning? Jeez, what a bunch of asshole cops doing their job.

[CharlesInCharge]

Yes you are correct. You win.

[SoNaRWaVe]

A little more detail into my case is that last year I had consecutive no insurance tickets... this racked me up $800.


seriously, get the fuck off the road. its fucks like you that ruins peoples lives.

i for one hope the police next time tow your car and revoke your license (if you had any to begin with).

not only is the police making the roads a safer place, they are possibly saving lives from idiots like you.

i can't imagine the possible consequences of you hitting someone and have no insurance. not only are people now on their own simply because of your anti law antics, now their lives are ruined because of you (financially/emotionally/physically etc.).

and here you are complaining about a police officer doing their job and providing a safer environment for all of us. as said, being in their position gives them the right to profile and judge. they use it at their discretion. it is an effective tool for what they do. to deal with tools like you.

i have no sympathy for idiots like you.

[CharlesInCharge]

"i have no sympathy for idiots like you."
I feel the same about you... if you know how insurance works that means if you have insurance, you will get covered... not the person without insurance.

Sheeple like you are traitors to this country.

edit - plus the people thanking you on your post.

[SoNaRWaVe]

you are an idiot. my insurance will only cover me so much. and thats why i buy into the under insured policy, in case for dicks like you.

ever heard of Third Party Liability coverage? oh right, you don't have insurance. so guess what? if you hit me, and you got no coverage, i only have my insurance to cover me, then the rest is out of my pocket.

maybe you should learn how insurance works. take that tin foil hat off for 5 mins.

edit: funny you say "traitors to this country". if you respect this country, then respect the law. these laws are in place for a reason. just because you are a "freeman" shouldn't make you above the law. and here you are bashing the police.

[parm104]

you are an idiot. my insurance will only cover me so much. and thats why i buy into the under insured policy, in case for dicks like you.

ever heard of Third Party Liability coverage? oh right, you don't have insurance. so guess what? if you hit me, and you got no coverage, i only have my insurance to cover me, then the rest is out of my pocket.

maybe you should learn how insurance works. take that tin foil hat off for 5 mins.

edit: funny you say "traitors to this country". if you respect this country, then respect the law. these laws are in place for a reason. just because you are a "freeman" shouldn't make you above the law. and here you are bashing the police.

He drives around in his mom's minivan and the few dollars he makes working for THE MAN probably goes to buying tin foil to wrap around his head. Why on EARTH would a person like this need to understand car insurance? lol

[CharlesInCharge]

you are an idiot. my insurance will only cover me so much. and thats why i buy into the under insured policy, in case for dicks like you.

ever heard of Third Party Liability coverage? oh right, you don't have insurance. so guess what? if you hit me, and you got no coverage, i only have my insurance to cover me, then the rest is out of my pocket.

maybe you should learn how insurance works. take that tin foil hat off for 5 mins.

edit: funny you say "traitors to this country". if you respect this country, then respect the law. these laws are in place for a reason. just because you are a "freeman" shouldn't make you above the law. and here you are bashing the police.Hows the rat race working for you???? too poor to buy full insurance???????????????
I guess driving with full insurance is a privilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People like you should get off the roads if you dont like the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoNaRWaVe]

uh what? am i missing something here?

driving with insurance is mandatory, its not a privilege. people like you should get off the roads if you don't know the rules.

[CharlesInCharge]

Why do I need to pay for high insurance premiums if Im a great driver... what kind of socialist country is this for me to cash out every month to cover all the drunk driver, distracted cell phone killers, and people who think they can fuck around because they think that seat-belt is going to keep them safe in a crash.

[SoNaRWaVe]

Why do I need to pay for high insurance premiums if Im a great driver... what kind of socialist country is this for me to cash out every month to cover all the drunk driver, distracted cell phone killers, and people who think they can fuck around because they think that seat-belt is going to keep them safe in a crash.

their mentality and your mentality is at the same level. you are too blind too see it.

they think they won't get into an accident. and you also don't think you will get into an accident.

insurance, in this instance, is never needed until you need it.

so what you're saying is if, god forbid, that you were in an accident, you will deny the health care that comes out of their insurance policy and you rather pay the health care all on your own? or are you going to rake it all in and get everything possible out of that policy (all the health care that you need)? :whistle: everybody needs to pay into it because accidents happen.

no one likes icbc, i get it. but it works when you need it to.

[CharlesInCharge]

I dont care, peoples mistakes shouldnt be a burden on me to pay so much to drive on the road.

People get women pregnant by accident... Im suppose to fund the food in that child's stomach with my tax dollars?
What about me, what if I want to have a child... but cant because of all these expenses to even afford real food (aka what they call "organic" these days) for myself.

ICBC is run out of the City of London as is Canada. They've been caught scamming the insurance system themselves.. I dont know how many hundreds of millions... but who goes to jail for that? Where do people of this "democratic" country vote to fix this????

[CCA-Dave]

So, I'm curious...if you need health care, do you expect Canada's public health care system to take care of you? How about if you injure yourself via a home-improvement project, sport or by slipping down the stairs?

[CharlesInCharge]

Not if I lived in a poor country like Afghanistan that was ravaged by Imperialist... (I believe Wallstreet controlled Russia late into its break up).
If I go to the hospital and there are a lack of staff, lack of medical equipment, lack everything... then I wouldn't expect to get treated properly.
Canada is in the top 5 resource rich countries in the world, specially with its low ~30 million population.

[Alby]

yo bro CiC. seriously, it seems like you don't like the way our country works. maybe you should just leave and go somewhere that really really suites you. all you do is whine and shit, about the smallest thing that happens to you.

[CharlesInCharge]

Smallest things? Names these...
I had three people with guns surround me for not doing anything wrong but "not matching the registered owner".

[underscore]

CiC wants to live in a magical fairy land, but he can't even tell us how it would work. He wants the impossible, but refuses to understand the impossibility of his delusional fantasy.

[Alby]

Smallest things? Names these...
I had three people with guns surround me for not doing anything wrong but "not matching the registered owner".

cops doing their job is a minor thing. you are NOT the only person they do this to. by your logic, im assuming that if a traffic person tells you to stop because of construction/heavy machinery is working that can put you in danger, you should just go ahead and not adhere to them right? and then when something does happen, you gonna sue them for PTSD cuz next time you can't look at construction/heavy machinery ever again.

[CharlesInCharge]

The system should be using its big brother tools to stop drugs and pedophiles as they have the power to revealed by Edward Snowden... instead they are extra ordinarily going out of their way to make sure ever citizen submits to licenses and ICBC fees.

@ underscore
As if Canada is so great and righteous.
Mossad agents were caught with truck bombs on the morning of 911 (see NY police audio online), yet Canada sends its troops to afghanistan to find Bin Laden (CIA name Tim Osman), we kill a shit load of people and one of our soldiers sets the longest sniper kill shot recorded in history... then our American counter parts are protecting poppy fields (as video documentation is shown with Geraldo Rivera) to keep its export, to this day!!!!, at 90%, then our Canadian soldiers come home and some of them go into the police force where they go into dangerous life threatening situations fighting (dealers and users) the very Opium (Heroin) plight that they helped liberate for its production.
Yes what a great country.

[bobbinka]

CiC, have you ever considered posting on Reddit instead? You'd reach a much larger audience and I think you would be well received there.

Just make sure you post the link here afterwards, so we can keep up with the show.

[CharlesInCharge]

I dont think it would help me much... I already have some sources to try and file some kind of claim.
I just hope it would rely something to the police database not to pick on me in the future... specially because I'll be driving a kit car one day.

[bobbinka]

No no, i think you're on to something and you need as much exposure as possible to spread the word. Reddit would be a good place to post.

You go get em, chuckles.

[underscore]

@ underscore
As if Canada is so great and righteous.
Mossad agents were caught with truck bombs on the morning of 911 (see NY police audio online), yet Canada sends its troops to afghanistan to find Bin Laden (CIA name Tim Osman), we kill a shit load of people and one of our soldiers sets the longest sniper kill shot recorded in history... then our American counter parts are protecting poppy fields (as video documentation is shown with Geraldo Rivera) to keep its export, to this day!!!!, at 90%, then our Canadian soldiers come home and some of them go into the police force where they go into dangerous life threatening situations fighting (dealers and users) the very Opium (Heroin) plight that they helped liberate for its production.
Yes what a great country.

I never said it was or wasn't. You point out "flaws" yet fail to have even a vaguely reasonable ideal for how the world should work. If you're going to keep going on about how horrible everything is, perhaps start coming up with some viable alternatives?

[Alby]

I never said it was or wasn't. You point out "flaws" yet fail to have even a vaguely reasonable ideal for how the world should work. If you're going to keep going on about how horrible everything is, perhaps start coming up with some viable alternatives?

the only viable alternative here is his own society with his own views/laws.

[Soundy]

I never said it was or wasn't. You point out "flaws" yet fail to have even a vaguely reasonable ideal for how the world should work. If you're going to keep going on about how horrible everything is, perhaps start coming up with some viable alternatives?

You see, it's not Canada he has issue with, it's the whole damn planet.

I would suggest...

Mars One (http://www.mars-one.com/)

Totally srs. :pokerface:

[CharlesInCharge]

I will never be a king or prophet to set standards of living... but if I had some kind of power, I would start with where all the money off natural resources is going.

BC's hidden debt
http://www.revscene.net/forums/696224-bcs-hidden-debt.html
No no, i think you're on to something and you need as much exposure as possible to spread the word. Reddit would be a good place to post.

You go get em, chuckles.:) Seems like a lot of work.. anyone is welcome to link this thread to see the responses.

[Soundy]

Its around midnight and Im coming home in my mothers van and get pulled over at Hastings and Granville.

There reason being that the van is registered to a female and they noticed me driving being a male of course.
(My mothers insurance allows for other drivers to operate the car.)

Was I discriminated against here?

Dont they need probable cause?
The police officer was a lady with a male passenger and another backup car that arrived soon after.

I want to cash in on any of my rights being violated in this police state.

Im not really "back"... and I still have you on my ignore list ;)

@SpeedStars
:p
I guess where we're at is if these police assumptions are actually probable cause in the laws... anyone know for sure?

edit
p.s. I had been ticketed in the past in the same van a year ago (with the same insurance clause to have others operate it).


...
My day started out after seeing a car flipped on its side at the Chevron gas station on Georgia (took video) then I went to replace my flat tire on my 300zx which was so low to the ground that I had to use 4 different jacks replace it... I finished up at around 7pm, visited my fathers house and finally came home to this police state bullshit.
My license had expired and they gave me a $280 no license ticket... but they were nice enough not to tow my car and have my mother come and drive the van home for their police state tactics.

Smallest things? Names these...
I had three people with guns surround me for not doing anything wrong but "not matching the registered owner".

This story gets better and better every time he tells it. I'm waiting for it to turn into the Blues Brothers...

http://www.imcdb.org/i286909.jpg

http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/blues-brothers-1980-pic-51.jpg

(Spoilered for PTSD)

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/2quc-iQ96R0/maxresdefault.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

Welcome back CiC! Totally didn't miss you!Is this your second time saying this? I saw the first similar message but the post got deleted and user probably banned....
so tell me... why jimmies rustled?

[MG1]

specially because I'll be driving a kit car one day.

First thought that came to me........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8Qls0HnWo


KITT - Knight Industries Two Thousand, LOL really lame acronym

[SoNaRWaVe]

So, I'm curious...if you need health care, do you expect Canada's public health care system to take care of you? How about if you injure yourself via a home-improvement project, sport or by slipping down the stairs?

Not if I lived in a poor country like Afghanistan that was ravaged by Imperialist... (I believe Wallstreet controlled Russia late into its break up).
If I go to the hospital and there are a lack of staff, lack of medical equipment, lack everything... then I wouldn't expect to get treated properly.
Canada is in the top 5 resource rich countries in the world, specially with its low ~30 million population.

So you do expect Canada to treat you for such injuries then . Guess what? You are now using other people's tax dollar. If it was a car accident, you are now also using their insurance policy. So it's ok that you don't pay into it but can use it for yourself.

What kind of bullshit double standard is this?

[CharlesInCharge]

Do you think Canadian hospitals will deny you treatment if you have an outstanding debt with ICBC, perhaps even for a student loan?
I can imagine the US is like that...no funds for your heart surgery and they'll just let you die on the floor.

[CCA-Dave]

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/135/7/c/Daniel__s_Facepalm_by_xAikaNoKurayami.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

I dont know if that facepalm was for me or not... but it sure doesnt make sense to be paying tax dollars into the medical system (which is what a 45% fake inflated cost of all of our budget?) then here is ICBC wanting medical treatment insurance fees on top of that. We're paying twice.

[T4RAWR]

they're not really allowed to random stop, however, it was argued many many years ago (80s iirc) that random stops is a reasonable limit on the Charter as it deals with public/road safety which is a benefit to the gen pop

so they are allowed to random stop

got bored and looked into this.

what CiC originally wanted i believe is to make a complaint based on what he felt as his section 9 charter right being violated.

s.9 of the charter is as follows:


Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.


the relevant case law though which you referred to in your post that lists the reasons why police can stop CiC in his mom's van is as follows:


R. v. Mellenthin (1992):

"The aim of check stops is to check for sobriety, licences, ownership, insurance, and the mechanical fitness of vehicles."

[CharlesInCharge]

Nice!
Its established that ownership and insurance of cars are almost relayed in real time to the laptop.
If they pulled me over because they presumed I was the same driver with the expired license, that presumption may not have been allowed.
So they made it fall under not matching the registered owner.

To use that excuse, where does the line get crossed on violating charter rights for "arbitrarily detainment".

[T4RAWR]

Nice!
Its established that ownership and insurance of cars are almost relayed in real time to the laptop.
If they pulled me over because they presumed I was the same driver with the expired license, that presumption may not have been allowed.
So they made it fall under not matching the registered owner.

To use that excuse, where does the line get crossed on violating charter rights for "arbitrarily detainment".

that doesnt make any sense though. they didnt violate your charter rights because they're allowed to pull you over to check whether or not you have a valid driver's licence.

thus the detention was not arbitrary...

[SoNaRWaVe]

Do you think Canadian hospitals will deny you treatment if you have an outstanding debt with ICBC, perhaps even for a student loan?
I can imagine the US is like that...no funds for your heart surgery and they'll just let you die on the floor.

I dont know if that facepalm was for me or not... but it sure doesnt make sense to be paying tax dollars into the medical system (which is what a 45% fake inflated cost of all of our budget?) then here is ICBC wanting medical treatment insurance fees on top of that. We're paying twice.

you do know that not all health care related costs are covered by canada right? you would need to make 3rd party claims for some.

i am specifically talking about motor vehicle incidents. sure, you're covered for your GP and xrays and what not. but guess where the liability part kicks in. its when shit doesn't get covered and you would be using that insurance policy to cover yourself. thats what icbc insurance is for. not to mention the cost to cover the damage of the vehicle itself.

[CharlesInCharge]

What is a great costing medical expense? A disability over many, many years. What ICBC offers may be as great as the monthly offer of what our disability welfare programs offer.
Im sure rich people dont even go through ICBC for life tragedy accidents.

@T4RAWR
Looking at the definition of arbitrary.
Arbitrariness is the quality of being "determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle

The police made an arbitrary (on chance) decision to find me (knowing my license was expired) behind the wheel taking into account my brother or another similar looking males (they have my picture on the laptop) couldve been behind the wheel instead... holding a valid license.

But police used the excuse of "not matching owner."

So I may have to use the arbitrary (on whim) argument that they profiled me as a thief.

We'll see what the offices say after I call later in the week.

[T4RAWR]

i think you might wanna read R. v. Ladouceur.

good luck with your discussions with the officer.

[SoNaRWaVe]

it could be anything CiC. could be specialists or special equipment or special treatment. who knows. but the fact is, if an accident occurred, you would be billing icbc. but without insurance, good luck with that.

i don't even know why you bothered with the welfare program when i am specifically talking about icbc insurance. it doesn't matter what the offer is, but if theres an accident, you only go through icbc or whatever 3rd party insurance you decided to go with for the appropriate claims.

[CharlesInCharge]

The Queen tries to make a harmonious environment for her worker bees to function. High ICBC premiums could just be way to keep a fraction of poor people off the street and lessen traffic.
We dont really know how much ICBC spends on replacing cars or limbs... but we do know they all originate back to the City of London.

Canada is so rich, we'd have jobs making these running through Vancouver with new bridges. Instead we have zombie droves of video game players and porn fanatics.

p.s. I would never put my faith in an ICBC policy as we hear of people always disputing what they think was deserved. I would only go to a reputable corporation.

Tehran, Iran pictured.
http://i.imgur.com/89Kl3Zt.jpg


i think you might wanna read R. v. Ladouceur.

good luck with your discussions with the officer.Thanks! that case is the best on this!!!

[SoNaRWaVe]

good luck with this "reputable corporation"

[CharlesInCharge]

:)
Speaking of that tunnel...:whistle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN1Ab26GlPU

[dSpaceman]

CiC is a god

[mr_chin]

CiC...

How did you know or found out that the police "used an excuse" of not matching the owner, to pull you over? Or is this just your assumption?

What rights of yours did they violate? Did they not allow you to speak? Did they threatened you to speak? Did they arrest you on no suspicion of crime? Did they not allowed you an attorney? Did they not read you your rights on your arrest? Did they not allow you to make a phone call?

My license had expired and they gave me a $280 no license ticket... but they were nice enough not to tow my car and have my mother come and drive the van home for their police state tactics.

In this situation you explained, would you rather have your license suspended? Have your car towed and impounded? Not allow your mother to come drive the van? Or would you rather they let you off free, with no fine, no tow, because you've made a mistake but you're a free man on this planet and should be allowed to do whatever you want? Please give an explanation of a fair consequence/punishment in your point of view.

What sort of actions did they used that is considered "profiling" you? Did they follow you home? Was it the same police officers that pulled you over every time? Did they follow you on days of your errand? Were they camping outside your house?

Did you expect the police to singly and individually rule you out to be the special one because you've been pulled over multiple times for the same cause that you've already explained? To completely erase your history of driving without insurance so that you won't get pulled over again? Allow even 1% chance that you might do it again but just completely shrug it off because they should respect your rights?

Do you expect every one to drive without insurance because every one is and should be a good driver? And that no, none, zero, zilch, accidents will ever occur? Pay close attention to this question because I used the word "accidents".

If accidents do occur in your life one day, and the other party is at fault 100%, who do you expect to pay for your medical and repair expenses? If the party can only fork out 0.1% of said expenses, who covers the rest? Do you expect to garnish that person's wage and put that person in debt to you for the rest of his life that won't cover your expenses that is required in the period of months or years because of an "accident" that neither of you wanted?

If you were driving without insurance and I t-boned you at an intersection while you're turning left on a green light, who will pay for my damage? Or would consider that you had every right to turn left without caution and that I pay my own and you pay your own? Do you deem this solution to be fair then?

Please, answer these questions in detailed your most detailed opinion because I sure as hell want to know what your vision of a perfect motor vehicle system is like. Or you don't have to answer them at all, because you have every right to.

[CharlesInCharge]

Those are many questions... but to get to the root of it... answer a few of mine so I know where to start.

First, was my pull over an arbitrary one?
Second, if it was, do you think the law against being arbitrarily detained should be taken out of the Charter?

[Alby]

i believe the pull over is not an arbitrary one.

[CCA-Dave]

CiC...

How did you know or found out that the police "used an excuse" of not matching the owner, to pull you over? Or is this just your assumption?

What rights of yours did they violate? Did they not allow you to speak? Did they threatened you to speak? Did they arrest you on no suspicion of crime? Did they not allowed you an attorney? Did they not read you your rights on your arrest? Did they not allow you to make a phone call?



In this situation you explained, would you rather have your license suspended? Have your car towed and impounded? Not allow your mother to come drive the van? Or would you rather they let you off free, with no fine, no tow, because you've made a mistake but you're a free man on this planet and should be allowed to do whatever you want? Please give an explanation of a fair consequence/punishment in your point of view.

What sort of actions did they used that is considered "profiling" you? Did they follow you home? Was it the same police officers that pulled you over every time? Did they follow you on days of your errand? Were they camping outside your house?

Did you expect the police to singly and individually rule you out to be the special one because you've been pulled over multiple times for the same cause that you've already explained? To completely erase your history of driving without insurance so that you won't get pulled over again? Allow even 1% chance that you might do it again but just completely shrug it off because they should respect your rights?

Do you expect every one to drive without insurance because every one is and should be a good driver? And that no, none, zero, zilch, accidents will ever occur? Pay close attention to this question because I used the word "accidents".

If accidents do occur in your life one day, and the other party is at fault 100%, who do you expect to pay for your medical and repair expenses? If the party can only fork out 0.1% of said expenses, who covers the rest? Do you expect to garnish that person's wage and put that person in debt to you for the rest of his life that won't cover your expenses that is required in the period of months or years because of an "accident" that neither of you wanted?

If you were driving without insurance and I t-boned you at an intersection while you're turning left on a green light, who will pay for my damage? Or would consider that you had every right to turn left without caution and that I pay my own and you pay your own? Do you deem this solution to be fair then?

Please, answer these questions in detailed your most detailed opinion because I sure as hell want to know what your vision of a perfect motor vehicle system is like. Or you don't have to answer them at all, because you have every right to.

Based on the rest of this thread, I'm inclined to believe CiC doesn't answer questions...

-Dave

[mr_chin]

Those are many questions... but to get to the root of it... answer a few of mine so I know where to start.

First, was my pull over an arbitrary one?
Second, if it was, do you think the law against being arbitrarily detained should be taken out of the Charter?

Yes. To start, they randomly chose your vehicle to look up on their computer. The pull over itself, no, they had a reason to.

Second question is irrelevant to the first because you're talking about being detained, but no it should not be taken out. Randomly detaining people for no reason is an example of police state, which in your case, was not random.

Your turn.

[Jmac]

You weren't even detained (legal definition). They pulled you over and asked you some questions because you didn't match the description of the owner.

I've been pulled over driving my GF's car in the middle of the night because I didn't match the her description. I have never had any tickets, criminal history, or any problems with law enforcement at all. What reason did they have to "discriminate" against me? All this time, I was convinced that those nice officers were just doing their job.

[CharlesInCharge]

The definition of detained should come from the old "Blacks Law" dictionaries.
The case posted earlier talks about police stops like this being against the Charter Rights.
R v Ladouceur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Ladouceur)

So whats the count here 3-4 members being pulled over for no reason?

..... The pull over itself, no, they had a reason to.
.....On what reasoning?
The "man driving a borrowed car is probably the same guy with all the tickets and now his license is expired", reasoning?

Even though they caught me on these set of suspicions... would it be okay if they stopped my brother to see if it was me or not?
Excessively pulling over cars to see if family members with expired driver licenses arent behind the wheel... rather police state, isnt it?

[CCA-Dave]

Wow.

Excessively pulling over cars to see if family members with expired driver licenses arent behind the wheel...

You honestly think that's what happened? I don't suppose if any of us tell you that isn't the case, and your fears are irrational, you aren't going to change your mind...right?

-Dave

[CharlesInCharge]

You tell me what happened Dave.

[CCA-Dave]

I'd be happy to give you what I, and others, seem to think is an obvious explanation for what happened. But how about you go through the thread and actually take the time to answer the questions we've asked you?

-D

[Alby]

The definition of detained should come from the old "Blacks Law" dictionaries.
The case posted earlier talks about police stops like this being against the Charter Rights.
R v Ladouceur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Ladouceur)

So whats the count here 3-4 members being pulled over for no reason?

On what reasoning?
The "man driving a borrowed car is probably the same guy with all the tickets and now his license is expired", reasoning?

Even though they caught me on these set of suspicions... would it be okay if they stopped my brother to see if it was me or not?
Excessively pulling over cars to see if family members with expired driver licenses arent behind the wheel... rather police state, isnt it?

the cops didn't know it was a borrowed car. the cops did not not know its a guy with tickets and license expired.

what the cops would know if they did ran the car before pulling you over is that a female is the registered owner. it's late at night. all they did was pull you over to make sure the van was not stolen. whatever else they find from that is besides the point. they are just DOING their job. it could have been me they pulled over, it could have been Dave, it could have been ANYONE. you are just making a big case about it over nothing.

[SoNaRWaVe]

CiC never answers questions. all he does is deflect, and "answers questions by asking unrelated questions" back.

he can't answer directly because he probably knows the answers won't help his cause.

[CharlesInCharge]

the cops didn't know it was a borrowed car. the cops did not not know its a guy with tickets and license expired.

what the cops would know if they did ran the car before pulling you over is that a female is the registered owner. it's late at night. all they did was pull you over to make sure the van was not stolen. whatever else they find from that is besides the point. they are just DOING their job. it could have been me they pulled over, it could have been Dave, it could have been ANYONE. you are just making a big case about it over nothing.I have "freeman on the land" rebel status from over a decade ago. This wont alert the police laptop every-time they analyze my cars scan? I think you're being too gullible as to how much information pops up for an officers eyes.
I'd be happy to give you what I, and others, seem to think is an obvious explanation for what happened. But how about you go through the thread and actually take the time to answer the questions we've asked you?

-DPeeps can highlight these good question if missed over time... now tell us what you think.... the police were thinking when pulling me over.

[ts14]

Mr.stubbz has no rights

[CharlesInCharge]

Maybe to answer some of Mr.Chin's questions before hand... lets look at the Islamic republics laws on accidents...
Take for insistence the following murder of a women after being run over by an SUV on the sidewalk.
The victims son is here on video saying he only received $400 from the government of Canada. (Some kind of human victims fund for these type of incidences.):smug: edit - actually 400 was the fine the murderer had to pay.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/687674-canadian-courts-fine-driver-$400-after-running-grandmother-over-sidewalk.html

Had that same accident happen in Iran, they may deem a short to almost life long jail time... but the victims family can reduce a sentence, dismiss jail time, or demand what ever figure amount of money (and payment plan) for no jail time.

[Alby]

I have "freeman on the land" rebel status from over a decade ago. This wont alert the police laptop every-time they analyze my cars scan? I think you're being too gullible as to how much information pops up for an officers eyes.
Peeps can highlight these good question if missed over time... now tell us what you think.... the police were thinking when pulling me over.

key words being YOUR cars meaning the car is registered under you. your moms car IS NOT.

Maybe to answer some of Mr.Chin's questions before hand... lets look at the Islamic republics laws on accidents...
Take for insistence the following murder of a women after being run over by an SUV on the sidewalk.
The victims son is here on video saying he only received $400 from the government of Canada. (Some kind of human victims fund for these type of incidences.):smug:

http://www.revscene.net/forums/687674-canadian-courts-fine-driver-$400-after-running-grandmother-over-sidewalk.html

Had that same accident happen in Iran, they may deem a short to almost life long jail time... but the victims family can reduce a sentence, dismiss jail time, or demand what ever figure amount of money (and payment plan) for no jail time.

but this is Canada. if you wish to be under their laws you are free to move there.

[CharlesInCharge]

Oh gosh heaven forbid we adopt laws from a country thats been around for thousands upon thousands of years.

key words being YOUR cars meaning the car is registered under you. your moms car IS NOT.When I say my car, that means car in my possession.


Thinking now the laptop may have even alerted an expired license tone, letting the officers know the last person ticked in that car could be driving illegally. So they may have not even taken my profile (how i look) into account before deciding to pull me over.

[Soundy]

I have "freeman on the land" rebel status from over a decade ago.
If you choose not to accept the laws of the land, then to automatically waive any rights you might have had on that land.

/thread.

[Alby]

Oh gosh heaven forbid we adopt laws from a country thats been around for thousands upon thousands of years.

When I say my car, that means car in my possession.


Thinking now the laptop may have even altered an expired license tone, letting the officers know the last person ticked in that car could be driving illegally. So they may have not even taken my profile (how i look) into account before deciding to pull me over.

there is no way a cop can ID ANY person driving ANY vehicle unless THEY pull them over and ask for ID. unless you are talking futuristic bullshit where cops brains are implemented with hard drives and databases to run facial recognition. but that just even goes against your beliefs even more.

[bobbinka]

Maybe to answer some of Mr.Chin's questions before hand... lets look at the Islamic republics laws on accidents...

Great. It's looked at. Now, answer the questions.

[CharlesInCharge]

If you choose not to accept the laws of the land, then to automatically waive any rights you might have had on that land.

/thread.When I said status, I meant on the police laptop... barely anyone has freeman status... except some first nations and I can imagine the local wealthy.

[CharlesInCharge]

there is no way a cop can ID ANY person driving ANY vehicle unless THEY pull them over and ask for ID. unless you are talking futuristic bullshit where cops brains are implemented with hard drives and databases to run facial recognition. but that just even goes against your beliefs even more.Even if its my mothers van and insurance, which is automatically detected from the cameras to the laptop, my history is attached to that plate. Im not totally sure if that answers your previous comment... others can chime in.

[mr_chin]

The definition of detained should come from the old "Blacks Law" dictionaries.

So you just go around assuming that the definition of detain should be from that dictionary. And when you do get detained, you argue like an idiot based on your assumptions?

You don't have to answer that.

The case posted earlier talks about police stops like this being against the Charter Rights.
R v Ladouceur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Ladouceur)

So whats the count here 3-4 members being pulled over for no reason?

On what reasoning?
The "man driving a borrowed car is probably the same guy with all the tickets and now his license is expired", reasoning?

Your way of arguing/debating/discussing is the same as one of my friend. He keeps bringing up other stories/cases that is irrelevant to his and another whole topic begins. And he does this every time he is about to be proven wrong (usually with questions) just so it diverts the argument so he can remain in his lala land of "i am right".

I'm talking about him... not you, unless this sounds like you?

You don't have to answer that.

Even though they caught me on these set of suspicions... would it be okay if they stopped my brother to see if it was me or not?

Had they known 100% if it was your brother driving that vehicle, they wouldn't pull him over. Do they 100% know if it was your brother? No. How do they find out 100% if it was you or your brother? By pulling you over. What motive do the police have by pulling you or your brother? To make sure it wasn't you that was driving and if it was, to make sure you had a valid license. Did they made the right choice by pulling you over to check if it was you or your brother?

You don't have to answer the last question.

Excessively pulling over cars to see if family members with expired driver licenses arent behind the wheel... rather police state, isnt it?

So because it happened to you on a regular basis, you think police officers are doing that to citizens of Vancouver?

You don't have to answer that, but if your answer is yes, you are truly a moron.

I have "freeman on the land" rebel status from over a decade ago. This wont alert the police laptop every-time they analyze my cars scan? I think you're being too gullible as to how much information pops up for an officers eyes.

And how much do you know about information being shown on a police laptop? Or are these just your assumption/accusation/suspicion?

You don't have to answer that.

Peeps can highlight these good question if missed over time... now tell us what you think.... the police were thinking when pulling me over.

I would say with 99% assurance that they were trying to find out if it was you that was driving and if you had a valid license of not. Did they made the right decision and were they thinking clearly?

You don't have to answer that.

Maybe to answer some of Mr.Chin's questions before hand... lets look at the Islamic republics laws on accidents...


Better yet, answer them first, then we will discuss another topic from another country with another set of laws, rules, and rights.

When I say my car, that means car in my possession.

You should be clear.

If you found and had a gun in possession, do you tell police officers that it's your gun?

If you accidentally took your co-worker's coffee cup and poured coffee in it... do you tell him that it was your cup?

You don't have to answer those. But if your answer is yes to both those question, you are truly a moron and this behavior is similar to a 10 year old's.

Thinking now the laptop may have even alerted an expired license tone, letting the officers know the last person ticked in that car could be driving illegally. So they may have not even taken my profile (how i look) into account before deciding to pull me over.

Is this your assumption? Do you continue to link one assumption to another to come up with an answer on a regular basis?

You don't have to answer those. But if your answer is yes, please go see a psychologist.

I know for a fact though, that police officers can put notes/comments on a license plate on their laptop. So maybe when they first pulled you over, they noted that a man without license was and probably had been driving this vehicle. This most likely led to the second pull over because they saw a man driving that vehicle.

This is just my assumption, you can completely ignore it if it alters yours.

Even if its my mothers van and insurance, which is automatically detected from the cameras to the laptop, my history is attached to that plate. Im not totally sure if that answers your previous comment... others can chime in.

Wait, so you're dead on sure about the bold statement in this quote? How do you know about this? What evidence/proof do you have that these "cameras" can automatically detect license plate/drivers to the laptop?

You don't have to answer that.

[bobbinka]

CiC, is it not possible that a vehicle of similar description was reported to the police for, let's say, reckless driving, and that is why you were pulled over?

If the answer is "that is a possibility", then your entire argument is pointless, we should just end the thread, and you can pick a new topic to troll RS with.

If the answer is "I know for a fact that that is not possible, they only pulled me over because they profiled me", then you are delusional.

[CharlesInCharge]

Or its possible you could have "Stockholm syndrome and are being an apologists for the system.

@mr_chin
You have many questions here... Im sure other members have the answer to a good number of them... its better I wait it out for others to chime in too.

[T4RAWR]

The definition of detained should come from the old "Blacks Law" dictionaries.
The case posted earlier talks about police stops like this being against the Charter Rights.
R v Ladouceur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Ladouceur)



i think that i should point out that R. v. Ladouceur states that the random stop is a charter violation, HOWEVER, it is deemed reasonable under section 1 of the charter.


from your link:


The violation of section 9 was justified as a reasonable limitation under section 1. The government successfully established that there was a pressing and substantial objective of increasing highway safety, and that random stops were an effective means of achieving the objective through deterrence. This position was further supported by evidence of its effectiveness in other countries as well.


case in point, you operating a motor vehicle without a valid licence.

[Alby]

Or its possible you could have "Stockholm syndrome and are being an apologists for the system.

@mr_chin
You have many questions here... Im sure other members have the answer to a good number of them... its better I wait it out for others to chime in too.

why can't you chime in and answer them?

[CharlesInCharge]

For one me you and Mr.Chin were having a debate over me stating "my car"... when in fact it was established from the first post whom the vans ownership and insurance belongs to.
Other questions are if police cars are picking up plate numbers??? this have been known for years am I not correct?? why should I be cleaning up here... other should chime in.

@T4RAWR
But who keeps a tab on how many random stops are made and on which ethnicity?
Is a U.N. filed case the only worth while accountability on our statistics? I bet so.

[T4RAWR]

For one me you and Mr.Chin were having a debate over me stating "my car"... when in fact it was established from the first post whom the vans ownership belongs to.

@T4RAWR
But who keeps a tab on how many random stops are made and on which ethnicity?
Is a U.N. filed case the only worth while accountability on our statistics? I bet so.

i dont think a tab is necessary though to be honest.

statistics are however you read them. if there is a majority population of a certain race, say asian in richmond, then of course the stats will show that a majority of the people being pulled over are minority (as a racial class) members.

[CRS]

Guys, I'm not sure why you're expecting to get a direct answer from CiC (and not just ludicrous amounts of side stepping and deflecting). If you've ever followed any threads by CiC, all he does is speculate and have conjecture.

A few pages back, he mistakenly used 360 degrees when he meant 180 degrees. Despite this being a fairly minor mistake, when confronted with it, he just side stepped it and went on to spew more nonsense instead of a simple 'You're right, I'm wrong. My bad.'.

[Alby]

i think CiC may make a perfect politician.

[parm104]

Guys, I'm not sure why you're expecting to get a direct answer from CiC (and not just ludicrous amounts of side stepping and deflecting). If you've ever followed any threads by CiC, all he does is speculate and have conjecture.

A few pages back, he mistakenly used 360 degrees when he meant 180 degrees. Despite this being a fairly minor mistake, when confronted with it, he just side stepped it and went on to spew more nonsense instead of a simple 'You're right, I'm wrong. My bad.'.

Have you ever suffered from PTSD? NO? That's what I thought.

This guy clearly had a traumatic incident being pulled over by Law Enforcement. Most people in this world have no idea what it feels like to be pulled over by the police. Of course he's going to be a little loopy and mix up things like 180 degrees and 360 degrees. It's apart of PTSD! HELLO!

[CCA-Dave]

This whole thread has me searching CL for a black charger...just so I can cruise DT Vancouver at night. I'm thinking of getting a horn which will allow me to do the "whoop-whoop" whenever I see a minivan.

-D

[underscore]

Anyone else starting to think CiC coming back is just a ploy by the staff to increase posting and conversation again, like those funny posts the site account was making a while back? It seems a lot more plausible than someone actually being this dense.

The definition of detained should come from the old "Blacks Law" dictionaries.

You can't pick and choose a definition of a word that's different from the definition used by the document that contains the word. No court, not even the UN, gives a flying fuck what you think the definition "should" be, only what the definition actually is.

[mr_chin]

Or its possible you could have "Stockholm syndrome and are being an apologists for the system.

@mr_chin
You have many questions here... Im sure other members have the answer to a good number of them... its better I wait it out for others to chime in too.

But don't you see and realize that only you here who is... how can I put it... the odd one? Outcast? Nobody else is siding with your case, so why do you think that other members would and should chime in on my questions to you?

You don't have to answer that.

For one me you and Mr.Chin were having a debate over me stating "my car"... when in fact it was established from the first post whom the vans ownership and insurance belongs to.
Other questions are if police cars are picking up plate numbers??? this have been known for years am I not correct?? why should I be cleaning up here... other should chime in.

@T4RAWR
But who keeps a tab on how many random stops are made and on which ethnicity?
Is a U.N. filed case the only worth while accountability on our statistics? I bet so.

There were more questions other than who's the owner and if police cars are picking up plates. Questions that dig a little deeper into your thoughts and opinions which you clearly have intention to avoid.

Don't worry... like I've stated, you don't have to answer anything if you don't want to because it's your rights. You clearly know the answers to those questions and knowing that if you had openly answered them, you, I, and everybody on this forum will realize that you're just a moron who refuse to accept reality.

[CharlesInCharge]

Yeah okay Im a moron and you're the big genius... Im putting you on ignore for two weeks for your tiring comments. If your questions (some already addressed but repeated by you again) were truly worthy ones, Im sure other members will repost them one by one now for me to individually address.

i dont think a tab is necessary though to be honest.

statistics are however you read them. if there is a majority population of a certain race, say asian in richmond, then of course the stats will show that a majority of the people being pulled over are minority (as a racial class) members.:failed:

[Soundy]

Yeah okay Im a moron and you're the big genius...
:failed:

Congratulations, you finally got something right!

[quasi]

Congratulations, you finally got something right!

As they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes and there are none more blind.

[CCA-Dave]

Im sure other members will repost them one by one now for me to individually address.

lol, your superiority complex is never ending.

[Soundy]

As they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes and there are none more blind.

"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." :troll:

:pokerface:

[mr_chin]

So because it happened to you on a regular basis, you think police officers are doing that to citizens of Vancouver?

You don't have to answer that, but if your answer is yes, you are truly a moron.


If you found and had a gun in possession, do you tell police officers that it's your gun?

If you accidentally took your co-worker's coffee cup and poured coffee in it... do you tell him that it was your cup?

You don't have to answer those. But if your answer is yes to both those question, you are truly a moron and this behavior is similar to a 10 year old's.

Don't worry... like I've stated, you don't have to answer anything if you don't want to because it's your rights. You clearly know the answers to those questions and knowing that if you had openly answered them, you, I, and everybody on this forum will realize that you're just a moron who refuse to accept reality.

Yeah okay Im a moron and you're the big genius... Im putting you on ignore for two weeks for your tiring comments. If your questions (some already addressed but repeated by you again) were truly worthy ones, Im sure other members will repost them one by one now for me to individually address.

I never called you a moron unless you applied to the "if's" throughout my posts... and since you just claimed yourself to be a moron... your answers to the first three questions in these quotes are "yes"... and you've just somehow openly answered all my questioned.

Thank you, I am done here.

[Presto]

I love how CiC threatens to put people on "ignore". He still checks each and every one of them. Whatever makes him feel better, I guess!

[SoNaRWaVe]

LOL @ CiC.

you really seem to have quite some knowledge on police technology.

1) these types of cameras would have to be mounted for them to scan your plates. these can also be seen in new west bylaw enforcement vehicles. to be honest, i have yet to see actual police cars with them. if i recall, this technology is quite expensive and i doubt EVERY cop car would have it just to scan for your plates. for the most part, i see the cop manually punching in the plate numbers on their laptops.

https://postmediacanadadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/04-02-licence-scanning-e1402435118696.jpg

2) lets play a bit here, lets say they DID scan your plates and they added notes on your repeated offenses based on the plates. REGARDLESS who is driving the car, they would still simply pull you over. if it was you that was driving, great. they just caught you in the act again, and pull you off the streets, HENCE, providing a safer environment for ALL. if it WASN'T you driving, then they would simply let that said person go and everyone is on their merry way (provided everything checks out).

They would not even have to profile you or make assumptions on ANYTHING. they are simply doing their job, and FOLLOWING up.

what bugs me is that they didn't do more than just ticket you. clearly you have no respect for the law and have constantly broken the law. and for the foreseeable future, continue to do so. i hope you get caught more often. i don't need my rates going up because of you.

icbc needs to come up with another tactic to collect these tickets for you freeman people.

[Alby]

^ better remove that image. his PTSD is gonna act up.

[Ronin]

CiC is not down with OPP.

[jasonturbo]

CIC's troll game is air tight.

[SoNaRWaVe]

that don't look like no dodge charger to me.

[Soundy]

Palestinian cops don't drive black Chargers...

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[meowjinboo]

A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of "melts". Almost every "grilled cheese" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called "grilledcheese" is nothing short of utter blasphemy. Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese. I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled "melts" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese. I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being. Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples "grilled cheeses" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment i saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now.
You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.

[CharlesInCharge]

Haha, an inside joke between me the our out of province poster :D



2) lets play a bit here, lets say they DID scan your plates and they added notes on your repeated offenses based on the plates. REGARDLESS who is driving the car, they would still simply pull you over. if it was you that was driving, great. they just caught you in the act again, and pull you off the streets, HENCE, providing a safer environment for ALL. if it WASN'T you driving, then they would simply let that said person go and everyone is on their merry way (provided everything checks out).


So lets say Tim the tool man has a son with an outstanding student debt and has recently had ICBC take his license away.

So your free society would have police pull over these type of cars that match Tim's description.... a male in the family with an expired license plate?
Maybe your police state society would at least put a threshold on the number of stops allowed for a family shared car? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514Eyz7gd7L.jpg

Show us your papers!
http://www.alt-market.com/images/stories/customs-border-patrol-agents.jpg

[Ronin]

Man, maybe you just look shady. I'm an Asian male that drives a loud farty car everywhere like it was on fire and the police just wave me through every roadblock.

[SoNaRWaVe]

So lets say Tim the tool man has a son with an outstanding student debt and has recently had ICBC take his license away.

So your free society would have police pull over these type of cars that match Tim's description.... a male in the family with an expired license plate?
Maybe your police state society would at least put a threshold on the number of stops allowed for a family shared car? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514Eyz7gd7L.jpg


what on gods earth are you talking about. i clearly stated that IF all that info is tied to the license plate. they wouldn't pull these types of car over that matches tim's car description. they would pull it over when (and if) the info shows up when they punch in your plates.

and 2nd of all, do you mean expired license plate as in expired insurance on the plates? if that's the case, they are going to get pulled over regardless since its ILLEGAL TO DRIVE WITH EXPIRED INSURANCE.

and unless the photo of the person with the expired or revoked driver's license are all sent to the police database (and i highly doubt this), there's no way the cop can know that they are indeed driving unless they pull up beside each individual car and look at the person. i don't think they do all this either.

so my guess is that your previous offenses were tied to the plate and they ran your plates and they had every right to pull you over (since you are a repeat offender apparently). because you are a danger to all of us on the road.

[CharlesInCharge]

what on gods earth are you talking about. i clearly stated that IF all that info is tied to the license plate. they wouldn't pull these types of car over that matches tim's car description. they would pull it over when (and if) the info shows up when they punch in your plates.

and 2nd of all, do you mean expired license plate as in expired insurance on the plates? if that's the case, they are going to get pulled over regardless since its ILLEGAL TO DRIVE WITH EXPIRED INSURANCE.

and unless the photo of the person with the expired or revoked driver's license are all sent to the police database (and i highly doubt this), there's no way the cop can know that they are indeed driving unless they pull up beside each individual car and look at the person. i don't think they do all this either.

so my guess is that your previous offenses were tied to the plate and they ran your plates and they had every right to pull you over (since you are a repeat offender apparently). because you are a danger to all of us on the road.Yes I meant to say expired license.
So what if one son was caught speeding over a year ago, actually 3 times in a span of a few months... and this year his license is expired... in your society Tim's car should be then subject to random pull overs to see if the troubled sons is driving it?? and should there be limits on these random stops for each family car?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BKRxICq__PU/hqdefault.jpg

[SoNaRWaVe]

i can't believe you are asking this CiC.

if the son is prone to speeding, he will be caught and pulled over because he is speeding. this doesn't need a plate check. if he wasn't speeding, and the police did a plate check, he wouldn't be pulled over.

and with his license being expired, and was caught before, and was tied to the plate, then how is it wrong for the police to pull him over to check his license? if his license is expired, they write him a ticket and that gets recorded. if his license is not expired, then both be on their merry way.

you think there is enough police out there that there will always be one behind the car to check its plate? what are the odds of any one of us to see a police car right behind us everyday?

you make it sound like its everyday that they are checking on this troubled son.

[CharlesInCharge]

Look man its a police state... I think everyone of the new police cars are equipped with 3 camera, the front and the sides. There could be one parked in a burger joints parking lot next to Kingsway and rely all the delinquent cars passing to the cruisers down the road. Even intersection cameras are scanning plates for high level criminals.
We are Britain's (largest land mass thats surveillanced) little sister country, remember that.
Im witness to this technology with my 3 consecutive no insurance tickets in a span two months.
The first one was a fluke of being behind me... the other times I was followed after passing them.

As to pulling cars over for troubled sons with expired licenses... should the coppers be allowed to do this over and over again? because we are looking at 3 other males driving that car... at times even Tim and his wife. So this couple should constantly have PTSD of getting pulled over, time and time again, for having a troubled son?

[Alby]

Look man its a police state... I think everyone of the new police cars are equipped with 3 camera, the front and the sides. There could be one parked in a burger joints parking lot next to Kingsway and rely all the delinquent cars passing to the cruisers down the road. Even intersection cameras are scanning plates for high level criminals.
We are Britain's (largest land mass thats surveillanced) little sister country, remember that.
Im witness to this technology with my 3 consecutive no insurance tickets in a span two months.
The first one was a fluke of being behind me... the other times I was followed after passing them.

As to pulling cars over for troubled sons with expired licenses ... should the coppers be allowed to do this over and over again? because we are looking at 3 other males driving that car... at times even Tim and his wife. So this couple should constantly have PTSD of getting pulled over, time and time again, for having a troubled son?

1) the answer is blatantly yes. the law dictates that one must drive with a valid license. its a cops job to enforce and uphold the law.

2) guess what? that comes with the territory when their vehicle is constantly getting flagged with people driving without a license.

you know how all this can be avoided? follow the law like anyone else and they wouldn't be having such problems.

[SoNaRWaVe]

Even intersection cameras are scanning plates for high level criminals.

Im witness to this technology with my 3 consecutive no insurance tickets in a span two months.
The first one was a fluke of being behind me... the other times I was followed after passing them.

As to pulling cars over for troubled sons with expired licenses... should the coppers be allowed to do this over and over again? because we are looking at 3 other males driving that car... at times even Tim and his wife.

are you kidding me? intersection cameras scanning plates? this isn't some skynet bullshit. you are just paranoid.

lets amuse you a bit. IF intersection cameras can scan plates, what good would that do? i don't see all criminals being caught. you don't think there would be a manned person behind the camera to verify the scan? i couldn't imagine how much man power you would need to constantly monitor intersection cameras.

as for your no insurance tickets, when you pass a cop car, its not hard for them to SEE your plates have expired insurance. they didn't just follow you for the heck of it.

if your plates were tagged for expired drivers license , why wouldn't they stop you? they have the right to check it. even if it was tim or his wife driving. who knows, they probably even add a note that the license is renewed. no more checks afterwards. even if they did check, like i said, both of you will be on your merry way if everything checks out.

like alby said, just follow the law then you would have no problems. you chose to do this to yourself.

please also provide pictures of these said side cameras. i only know of the ones that are mounted on top of the police cars.

[bobbinka]

I hope they continue doing whatever it is you think they are doing to you. If it legit gives you PTSD, then so be it. Because if you choose not to obey the laws, you should suffer the consequences and accept the responsibility as a grown man (I assume). You do this to yourself. Suck it up.

If you truly believed any of the things you say on here, if you are as intelligent as you'd like us to believe, if you're the only one that can "see through it all" and the rest of us are just sheep, then go do something about it instead of trolling forums.

You can be the change, Chuckles.

[NSX]

I think CiC should act EXACTLY the way he does right now for the rest of his life, especially when he deals with the Police. Self correcting really. Film it too next time CiC.

[quasi]

Im witness to this technology with my 3 consecutive no insurance tickets in a span two months.
The first one was a fluke of being behind me... the other times I was followed after passing them.

Do you have a plate on your vehicle and if so does that plate have a current decal or an expired one?