[adambomb]

A white South Carolina police officer has been charged with murder over the shooting death of a black man who appeared to be fleeing from him, local authorities said on Tuesday, with the FBI and the U.S. Justice Department announcing a separate probe into the case.

The incident began after Scott was pulled over for a broken taillight, local media reported.

A video of the encounter published by the New York Times shows a brief scuffle between Slager and Scott before the latter begins running away. The video, which appears to be recorded by a bystander, then shows the officer firing several shots at Scott, who falls to the ground. Scott does not appear to be armed while fleeing from Slager.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/walter-scott-shooting-police-officer-faces-murder-charge-in-death-of-black-man-1.3024036

Check the video. Shoots the guy when he's running away. :gun: :eek5r:
Black 'murica gon be mad. White 'murica should be too.


https://vimeo.com/124336782

[pinn3r]

absolutely NO justification to this

fleeing suspect was slow as fuck too

[pastarocket]

If this isn't cold blooded murder, I don't what it is.

What makes this shooting worse is that you see the cop in the video drop an object near Scott's body after the shooting. Is the dirty cop dropping his Taser near the body in order to make the crime scene look like the black guy had the Taser with him?

That's obstruction of justice right there if the cop is planting that Taser near the body.

Justice must prevail! :mad:

[Ford_Fanatic]

Looks like the victim was being tased and knocked the taser out of the cop's hand and started running

[FerrariEnzo]

the cop fires 8 rounds into the guy and then cuffs him.... stupid?

[StylinRed]

as ford fanatic said, looks like he was tased and knocked the taser out of the officers hands and hopped away, probably still reacting to the shock the cop fires 8 rounds into the guy and then cuffs him.... stupid?

they cuff clearly dead suspects too, just in case they were faking their half missing head

[nah]

I'm surprised the cop didn't notice the guy filming them there and try to take that footage.

[underscore]

Walter Scott shooting: Police officer faces murder charge in death of black man - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/walter-scott-shooting-police-officer-faces-murder-charge-in-death-of-black-man-1.3024036)

A white South Carolina police officer was arrested and charged with murder on Tuesday after a video showed him shooting eight times at the back of a 50-year-old black man who was running away after a traffic stop and died at the scene.

Fuck sakes CBC, gotta bring race into this shit again.

[Manic!]

Fuck sakes CBC, gotta bring race into this shit again.

Race still is a big issue down south.

[Roach]

Wow, that is fucking terrible.

The circumstances almost looked like a skit SNL would film to mock white cops. Except it's real.

Now imagine if there was no cell phone video.

Kev

[Timpo]

Good thing that we have that on camera, otherwise cop can easily lie like they always do and tell false story how overly aggressive the suspect was and all that.

Cops are getting fat and lazy like many people in North America, I guess they never got trained to chase suspect and put them on the ground?

They should only be using weapons only if their lives are in danger, in this case, shooting that man is not justified.

I can't believe BC made another 20 year contract after RCMP's fatal YVR taser incident too. RCMP had 4 cops and they could easily muscle him down on the ground too.

[StylinRed]

Good thing that we have that on camera, otherwise cop can easily lie like they always do and tell false story how overly aggressive the suspect was and all that.

Cops are getting fat and lazy like many people in North America, I guess they never got trained to chase suspect and put them on the ground?

They should only be using weapons only if their lives are in danger, in this case, shooting that man is not justified.

I can't believe BC made another 20 year contract after RCMP's fatal YVR taser incident too. RCMP had 4 cops and they could easily muscle him down on the ground too.

it doesn't matter if there's video evidence
do you guys remember the officer that shot a suspect in the back of the head while the suspect was already handcuffed and laying, face down, on the ground?

the officer only got 2 years minus time served (paroled less than 6 months later) because the jury believed that he had meant to pull his taser and not his pistol... (convicted of involuntary manslaughter)

BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Johannes_Mehse rle)

there was cellphone recording of the whole incident

[Tone Loc]

Fuck sakes CBC, gotta bring race into this shit again.

Like Manic said above... the whole 'race' thing is a much bigger issue in the States than it is here. For decades now, the mainstream media and politics has made it seem like racial tensions - especially between Blacks and Whites - there are a thing of the past. Thanks to smartphones, social media, etc... unfortunately it is showing that these "vanished" racial tensions are still alive today. Especially considering the past year and all the news stories about Blacks being un-necessarily (or necessarily in certain cases) injured or even killed by police, it makes sense to highlight race as a factor in the incident... because it likely is.

Considering the suspect looked pretty overweight and running at a very slow pace, shooting him was absolutely not necessary. Hell, any cop who actually passed their physical should have no problem chasing and taking someone down, doubly so if the suspect is overweight and super slow. I mean, I am no cop but I am pretty sure I could chase a guy like that and knock him down to cuff him, let alone someone who is actually fit like a police officer. Good to see the justice system in the USA working instead of sweeping things under the rug and making everything seem okay.

[4444]

it doesn't matter if there's video evidence
do you guys remember the officer that shot a suspect in the back of the head while the suspect was already handcuffed and laying, face down, on the ground?

the officer only got 2 years minus time served (paroled less than 6 months later) because the jury believed that he had meant to pull his taser and not his pistol... (convicted of involuntary manslaughter)

BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Johannes_Mehse rle)

there was cellphone recording of the whole incident

imagine if that were actually true (meant to pull tazer, pull gun instead) - now, not sure why you'd need to taze a cuffed person on the ground

[Mr.C]

I've seen fucked up shit, and this is right up there with police executions in Brazil. What a fucking incompetent officer. Odds are he'll get life.

[4444]

I've seen fucked up shit, and this is right up there with police executions in Brazil. What a fucking incompetent officer. Odds are he'll get life.

i'm not so sure - there will be a 'story' behind this, i'm sure.

why did the dude run, though? never run from the cops, and if you're gonna run, zig zag!

[ilovebacon]

i hope that cop dies or get rape!

[4444]

i hope that cop dies or get rape!

haha, judge, jury, and executioner.

i'm not saying the cop isn't likely 100% guilty of 2nd degree murder, but come on!

[ilovebacon]

He had a good 10sec to aim for the leg but he sucks at shooting or pull out a taser. That guy who fled couldn't even get far when back ups arrival.

[GLOW]

he shouldn't have took out his gun at all, but afaik if cops pull out their gun they are trained to hit their target so they aim for the torso (largest part of the body). i don't think they do justice shots like in sega virtual cop.

[7seven]

There is no justification for this shooting, I can see this officer being convicted.

the cop fires 8 rounds into the guy and then cuffs him.... stupid?

That is proper protocol, officers are trained to restrain/secure all downed subjects, even ones that might appear to have fatal injuries. There is a chance that a wounded subject could still be a threat and you don't know if the subject has any other weapons on their person. It might seem over the top, but its just part of the training.

[underscore]

Like Manic said above... the whole 'race' thing is a much bigger issue in the States than it is here. For decades now, the mainstream media and politics has made it seem like racial tensions - especially between Blacks and Whites - there are a thing of the past.

I get that, but the CBC is a Canadian news outlet. Reading that article the author comes across like someone from an American outlet.

[capt_slo]

I get that, but the CBC is a Canadian news outlet. Reading that article the author comes across like someone from an American outlet.

Try reading the British articles...

You'll be hard pressed to find a news story on this incident that doesn't highlight race. Hell, even Fox News headlined it
White SC officer charged with murder in shooting death of black man

In the context of what has happened in the last year in the US, you can't ignore the race angle on this story.

[underscore]

Fair point I guess, I'm not saying to ignore the race aspect I just feel like it's a bit much to have it as the leading line.

[white rocket]

Racist headlines rustle jimmies and increase sales. It's just the way it is. Will definitely be interesting to see how the US reacts to this as a whole.

[Mr.C]

i'm not so sure - there will be a 'story' behind this, i'm sure.

why did the dude run, though? never run from the cops, and if you're gonna run, zig zag!

The video evidence is damning, especially when it looks like he plants something next to the body.

Just noticed that SC has the death penalty.

[NSX]

No excuse there. Justice please.

[Berzerker]

Reading the details on what the officer said before the video evidence came out is proof why all officers need to start wearing body cams. He straight up lied about the way things went down. Had no video been taken, 99% sure he would have gotten away with murder.
I believe South Carolina has the death penalty. nomsayin?

Berz out.

[4444]

The video evidence is damning, especially when it looks like he plants something next to the body.

Just noticed that SC has the death penalty.

oh, it's damning. i only saw the dropping of the taser this morning, but still, let the justice (injustice?) system do its work

i still question why anyone would EVER run from the police.

[willystyle]

Cop charged in shooting of unarmed black man faced earlier complaint of using excessive force

Mitch Weiss And Michael Biesecker
NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. — The Associated Press
Published Thursday, Apr. 09 2015, 3:08 AM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Apr. 09 2015, 3:10 AM EDT

The South Carolina police officer charged with murder after video surfaced of him shooting a fleeing suspect in the back was allowed to stay on the force despite an earlier complaint he used excessive force against an unarmed man.

In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Mario Givens recounted Wednesday how he was awakened before dawn one morning in September 2013 by loud banging on the front door of his family’s North Charleston home.

A white South Carolina police officer was charged with murder Tuesday, hours after law enforcement officials viewed a dramatic video that appears to show him shooting a fleeing black man several times in the back. (April 8)
VIDEO
Video: Footage shows officer gunning down fleeing man (Warning: graphic)
A white South Carolina police officer will be charged with murder over the shooting death of a black man who appeared to be fleeing from him. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).
VIDEO
Video: South Carolina police officer faces murder charge over shooting of black man
On his front porch was Patrolman Michael Thomas Slager, the same officer now charged in the shooting death of Walter Lamer Scott following a traffic stop over a broken taillight. The latest case of a white police officer killing an unarmed black man grabbed international attention this week after a video recorded by a bystander showed Slager firing eight times as Scott ran away.

Wearing only a T-shirt and boxer shorts, Givens, who is also black, said he cracked open his door and asked the officer what he wanted.

“He said he wanted to come in, but didn’t say why,” said Givens, now 33. “He never said who he was looking for.”

Then, without warning, Slager pushed in the door, he said.

“‘Come outside or I’ll tase you,“’ he recalled the officer saying as he burst in. “I didn’t want that to happen to me, so I raised my arms over my head, and when I did, he tased me in my stomach anyway.”

He said the pain from the stun gun was so intense that he dropped to the floor and began calling for his mother, who was also in the home. At that point, he said another police officer came into the house and they dragged him outside and threw him to the ground. He was handcuffed and put in the back of a squad car.

Though initially accused of resisting the officers, Givens was later released without charge.

“It was very devastating,” said Bessie Givens, 57, who was awaked by her son’s piercing screams. “You watch your son like that, he’s so vulnerable. You don’t know what’s going to happen. I was so scared.”

It turned out that the police officers had gone to the family’s home at the behest of his brother’s ex-girlfriend, who earlier reported awakening in her nearby house to find Matthew Givens in her bedroom, uninvited. She said he left when she began screaming, and she called police.

That woman, Maleah Kiara Brown, told the AP in an interview on Wednesday that she and a friend had followed the police officers over to the Givens home and were sitting outside as Slager knocked on the door. The second officer had gone around to the back of the house.

She had provided the officers with a detailed description of Matthew Givens, who is about 5 feet 5 inches (1.5 metres, 12.7 centimetres) tall. Mario Givens stands well over 6 feet (1.8 metres).

“He looked nothing like the description I gave the officers,” Brown said, referring to Mario Givens. “He asked the officer why he was at the house. He did it nicely. The police officer said he wanted him to step outside. Then he asked, ‘Why, why do you want me to step outside?’ Then the officer barged inside and grabbed him.”

Moments later, she saw the police officers drag Givens out of the house and throw him in the dirt. Brown said she kept yelling to the officers they had the wrong man, but they wouldn’t listen. Though Givens was offering no resistance, she said she saw Slager use the stun gun on him again.

“He was screaming, in pain,” she said. “He said, ‘You tased me. You tased me. Why?’ It was awful. Terrible. I asked the officer why he tased him and he told me to get back.”

She said she later told a female police supervisor what she had seen.

“He was cocky,” she said of Slager. “It looked like he wanted to hurt him. There was no need to tase him. No reason. He was no threat — and we told him he had the wrong man.”

Angered by what happened, Mario Givens went downtown to police headquarters the following day and filed a formal complaint. He and his mother say several neighbours who witnessed what happened on the family’s front lawn also contacted the police, though they say officers refused to take their statements.

The incident report from that night filed by Slager and the other officer, Maurice Huggins, provides a very different version of events. In the report, obtained by the AP through a public records request, Slager wrote that he could not see one of Givens’ hands and feared he might be holding a weapon. He wrote that he observed sweat on Givens’ shirt, which he perceived as evidence he may have just run from Brown’s home, and then ordered him to exit several times.

When Givens didn’t comply, Slager said he entered the home to prevent him from fleeing, and was then forced to use his stun gun when Givens struggled against him. According to the officers’ report, the two Givens brothers are described as looking “just alike.”

After Mario Givens filed his complaint, the department opened an internal investigation. A brief report included in Slager’s personnel file said a senior officer was assigned to investigate. After a couple weeks, the case was closed with a notation that Slager was “exonerated.”

Brown is listed as a witness in the investigative report, but her purported statement included none of the details she said she provided about Slager using his Taser to shock Givens while he was on the ground. She said she was never contacted as part of the police investigation and had not spoken with anyone about that night until she was contacted by an AP reporter Wednesday.

The report also includes statements from Givens and another woman who was there that night, Yolonda Whitaker, said she saw Slager stun Givens “for no reason.” Efforts to reach Whitaker on Wednesday by phone and the addresses listed for her in the police report were unsuccessful.

Givens said he was never contacted as part of the internal investigation into Slager and only learned the case had been closed after he went to the station about six weeks later and asked what happened.

“They never told me how they reached the conclusion. Never. They never contacted anyone from that night. No one from the neighbourhood,” Givens said.

Asked about the 2013 incident on Wednesday, North Charleston police spokesman Spencer Pryor said the department now plans to review the case to see if its decision to exonerate Slager was correct. He had no timetable on when that review might take place.

Givens shook his head Wednesday when asked about his reaction to learning Slager had been charged with murder. Slager is being held in jail without bond.

“It could have been prevented,” Givens said of Scott’s death. “If they had just listened to me and investigated what happened that night, this man might be alive today.”
Cop charged in shooting of unarmed black man faced earlier complaint of using excessive force - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/cop-charged-in-shooting-of-unarmed-black-man-faced-earlier-complaint-of-using-excessive-force/article23854218/)

[JaPoola]

Most fitting sentence for this pig would be to put him in general population in jail.

Putting him on death row would be a long waste of time and money.

[dachinesedude]

Most fitting sentence for this pig would be to put him in general population in jail.

Putting him on death row would be a long waste of time and money.

and how is putting him in jail not a waste of time and money?

[white rocket]

The death penalty is cheaper. Perhaps not the right choice according to some but SC enforces it and it saves tax payers money. Personally I'm all for the death penalty for both the justice aspect and saving money.

[Bouncing Bettys]

The death penalty is cheaper. Perhaps not the right choice according to some but SC enforces it and it saves tax payers money. Personally I'm all for the death penalty for both the justice aspect and saving money.

All I have ever read or heard about the cost of the death penalty compared to life in prison is that, in the end, putting someone to death costs more due to court costs, appeals, etc.

[Timpo]

California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto)

Police Camera will cut complaints by 88%, also cuts use of force by 60%

[underscore]

The death penalty is cheaper. Perhaps not the right choice according to some but SC enforces it and it saves tax payers money. Personally I'm all for the death penalty for both the justice aspect and saving money.

I'm about 50/50 on the death penalty but only in cases like this with very clear evidence, witness statements alone aren't reliable enough.

[JaPoola]

and how is putting him in jail not a waste of time and money?

How long do you think he would last in general population in a South Carolina jail where the majority of inmates are black?

[InvisibleSoul]

Dash cam footage of the traffic stop before the shooting

Walter Scott shooting: Dashcam video shows him run away after traffic stop - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/walter-scott-shooting-dashcam-video-shows-him-run-away-after-traffic-stop-1.3027165)

[pinn3r]

The death penalty is cheaper. Perhaps not the right choice according to some but SC enforces it and it saves tax payers money. Personally I'm all for the death penalty for both the justice aspect and saving money.

False. The death penalty is just as expensive, if not more

Death penalty court proceedings are hefty

[geeknerd]

oh, it's damning. i only saw the dropping of the taser this morning, but still, let the justice (injustice?) system do its work

i still question why anyone would EVER run from the police.

same reason you run away from criminals.

source: http://www.revscene.net/forums/702714-south-carolina-police-officer-faces-murder-charge.html

[Traum]

Damn... 20 years...

Ex-cop in South Carolina gets 20 years in prison for shooting - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2017/12/07/ex-cop-south-carolina-sentenced/)


A white former South Carolina police officer has been sentenced to 20 years in prison for shooting an unarmed black motorist to death in 2015.

A federal judge handed down the sentence for Michael Slager on Thursday. Slager pleaded guilty to violating Walter Scott’s civil rights by unjustly shooting him in the back five times as he was running away from a traffic stop.

A federal judge ruled that Slager committed second-degree murder. The ruling came as part of federal sentencing proceedings.

[CharlesInCharge]

Is that a full 20 years or will he get paroled after 5-10?

[mikemhg]

Should be life. He murdered that man, and tried to cover it up.

[Halfpast]

Is that a full 20 years or will he get paroled after 5-10?

Federal prison in the U.S. does not have parole release, so he'll serve the full 20 years, minus credit for time served prior to sentencing and maybe credit for good behavior, which is capped at 54 days per year.

[SiRV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdJYZMKeQs

Fuck the police

[twitchyzero]

lol tyt

the leo brought out the biggest rifle in his cruiser...jesus did he think he was clearing out an Al-Qaeda cell or something?

[Mr.Money]

pretty crazy USA has the most fucked up people in the police force.....absolutely no training of danger awareness and its more easy to pull the trigger on anything in the slightest.

[Ford_Fanatic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdJYZMKeQs

Fuck the police

Fuck, that video got my blood boiling.

Any typical person would have trouble following those confusing orders on a good day, let alone while being under the barrel of a gun.

Look at this goof. What regular cop etches "YOU'RE FUCKED" on a rifle they use while on the job?

You just know he plays dress up at home, decked out in special operator gear, trying to grow a gnarly ass beard (but probably can't) and daydreams about gunning down"Hajjis"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQh4ORhWsAAOd_R.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

If that's not the most punchable doucheface I've ever seen, I don't know what is WutFace

[MarkyMark]

What kind of protocol is that? Why can't they just tell them to lay face down with your hands behind your back? It's like they made it like that to purposely make it easier to shoot people for not complying.

[welfare]

Fuck the police

Does it make much sense to judge the entire institution for the actions of an individual?

[MarkyMark]

The system is broken if trigger happy goofs like that are given a job in the first place.

[welfare]

The system is broken if trigger happy goofs like that are given a job in the first place.

And how would you propose to make it completely fool proof then?
Or should we just get rid of it altogether?

[RiceIntegraRS]

Does it make much sense to judge the entire institution for the actions of an individual?

Yes is does J

If someone makes racist comments and their whole family doesnt see anything wrong with it, then it makes them all racist too. Thats the problem with the police force, a cop can make a mistake, shoot someone and the whole force will never admit too any wrongdoing. Theyll back them up and say what they did was perfectly fine. Thats why the public has no faith in the police anymore because when cops shoot innocent people, it follows there "protocol"

[MarkyMark]

And how would you propose to make it completely fool proof then?
Or should we just get rid of it altogether?

Right back to the gun supporter approach eh? If we can't stop it 100% then we shouldn't try at all right?

These guys don't exactly have Hannibal Lecter smarts, it wouldn't be hard to weed out some of these "I was bullied in highschool so it's time for payback" assholes.

[welfare]

So if your child got abducted, and the police found the perpetrator and your child, you'd say fuck the police, right?

[SiRV]

Does it make much sense to judge the entire institution for the actions of an individual?

I would say Yes.

The cop killed a dude carelessly. If you go through the whole report, the spokesperson for the police department says, "We don't think charges should have ever been laid in the first place."

So THIS ENTIRE specific Arizona Police Department institution in particular, I would judge. How the fuck does the spokesperson of the entire PD vouch for this murderer?

There are literally Countless other examples of police getting away with cold blooded murder, similar to the example above across the country.

[SiRV]

So if your child got abducted, and the police found the perpetrator and your child, you'd say fuck the police, right?

What if I fuck your mom, but I give you a thousand bucks? You wouldn't want to punch me in the face?

[underscore]

I would say Yes.

The cop killed a dude carelessly. If you go through the whole report, the spokesperson for the police department says, "We don't think charges should have ever been laid in the first place."

So THIS ENTIRE specific Arizona Police Department institution in particular, I would judge. How the fuck does the spokesperson of the entire PD vouch for this murderer?

There are literally Countless other examples of police getting away with cold blooded murder, similar to the example above across the country.

You do realize it isn't reviewed by every single member of the department right?

[welfare]

I would say Yes.

The cop killed a dude carelessly. If you go through the whole report, the spokesperson for the police department says, "We don't think charges should have ever been laid in the first place."

So THIS ENTIRE specific Arizona Police Department institution in particular, I would judge. How the fuck does the spokesperson of the entire PD vouch for this murderer?

There are literally Countless other examples of police getting away with cold blooded murder, similar to the example above across the country.

Literally countless eh? It would be nice if there were statistics.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/10/24/on-duty-under-fire/?utm_term=.24ce3f4eb76d



But only a small number of the shootings — roughly 5 percent — occurred under the kind of circumstances that raise doubt and draw public outcry, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. The vast majority of individuals shot and killed by police officers were, like Snyder, armed with guns and killed after attacking police officers or civilians or making other direct threats.

Jim Pasco, executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police, said The Post’s findings confirm what police officers already know.

“We know that anecdotally, because typically that’s why police officers choose to use deadly force,” said Pasco, whose organization includes 335,000 officers nationwide. “These are circumstances where their lives or the lives of citizens around them are in imminent danger.”

In 74 percent of all fatal police shootings, the individuals had already fired shots, brandished a gun or attacked a person with a weapon or their bare hands, according to an analysis of actions immediately preceding the shootings, which draws on reports from law enforcement agencies and local media coverage. These 595 cases include fatal shootings that followed a wide range of violent crimes, including shootouts, stabbings, hostage situations, carjackings and assaults.


Another 16 percent of the shootings came after incidents that did not involve firearms or active attacks but featured other potentially dangerous threats. These shootings were most commonly of individuals who brandished knives and refused to drop them.

The 5 percent of cases that are often second-guessed include individuals who police said failed to follow their orders, made sudden movements or were accidentally shot. In another 4 percent of cases, The Post was unable to determine the circumstances of the shootings because of limited information or ongoing investigations.

And I just watched the Shaver video. If you watch frame by frame just prior to him being shot, he reaches his right arm behind his back. It's pretty clear in the video.
That's why the jury found him not guilty.

What if I fuck your mom, but I give you a thousand bucks? You wouldn't want to punch me in the face?

Sorry, you'll have to explain the relativity of this question.
I can certainly explain mine.

[GS8]

- I wouldn't blame all of Starbucks when one barista gives me bad service

- I wouldn't blame the entire Dental Association when one Dentist gives me a bad root canal

- I wouldn't blame all teachers when I had a shitty gender studies Prof

- I wouldn't blame all black people for the one who stole my phone

---

There's bad people everywhere and cops are no exception. Some cops do think they're above the law and those people should be gone as they are supposed to be law ENFORCERS. I've read stories on raids at the wrong address and that whole thing just left me :fulloffuck:

But to make blanket statements like 'fuck the police' is what creates the already divisive culture we have.

[SiRV]

Literally countless eh? It would be nice if there were statistics.
Wisconsin trooper faced down a gunman who planned to go out fighting | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/10/24/on-duty-under-fire/?utm_term=.24ce3f4eb76d)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0f_nFKVoyQ
Look at the stats and find a counter argument for me please.

More examples of cases of cops killing people:
- Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Philando Castile
- Look up their names on youtube for their murder videos at the hands of police
- Yes countless other cases can be found this was all just in 5 mins of searching



And I just watched the Shaver video. If you watch frame by frame just prior to him being shot, he reaches his right arm behind his back. It's pretty clear in the video.
That's why the jury found him not guilty.


If you honestly think that the cop is innocent and responded appropriately in that specific scenario, then there really is no arguing with you. We just have totally different opinions on what is right and what is wrong.


Sorry, you'll have to explain the relativity of this question.
I can certainly explain mine.

How is it so different? The metaphor is me making my entire being the 'police force'. Sure, I may do some bad things (i.e. fucking your mom), but just because I do that, it does not mean that every fiber of my body is bad.

[welfare]

Holy fuck. 3 people? And that condemns the entire force?
If I showed you three cases where a woman killed a man, unprovoked, would you say fuck all women?
What if I showed you ten? What about a hundred? A thousand?

I can't say whether or not he acted appropriately. I wasn't the one pulling the trigger. But the jury seemed to think so after just six hours.
And it appears he followed protocol.
And clearly this wasn't like the vast majority of shootings that are indefinitely justifiable.

Honestly, with the amount of power the police have, and how fucked up individuals are these days, I'm surprised things are as good as they are. Especially with the sentiment of contempt for them by the general public. These people should see what it's like to live in a country where the police force is institutionally crooked.

And look, you're more than welcome to make comments like fuck the police. Just like I'm more than welcome to debate them. But let's try and keep it somewhat intelligible.

[SiRV]

Holy fuck. 3 people? And that condemns the entire force?
If I showed you three cases where a woman killed a man, unprovoked, would you say fuck all women?
What if I showed you ten? What about a hundred? A thousand?

I can't say whether or not he acted appropriately. I wasn't the one pulling the trigger. But the jury seemed to think so after just six hours.
And it appears he followed protocol.
And clearly this wasn't like the vast majority of shootings that are indefinitely justifiable.

Honestly, with the amount of power the police have, and how fucked up individuals are these days, I'm surprised things are as good as they are. Especially with the sentiment of contempt for them by the general public. These people should see what it's like to live in a country where the police force is institutionally crooked.

And look, you're more than welcome to make comments like fuck the police. Just like I'm more than welcome to debate them. But let's try and keep it somewhat intelligible.

The video has full stats

[Manic!]

Holy fuck. 3 people? And that condemns the entire force?
If I showed you three cases where a woman killed a man, unprovoked, would you say fuck all women?
What if I showed you ten? What about a hundred? A thousand?

I can't say whether or not he acted appropriately. I wasn't the one pulling the trigger. But the jury seemed to think so after just six hours.
And it appears he followed protocol.
And clearly this wasn't like the vast majority of shootings that are indefinitely justifiable.

Honestly, with the amount of power the police have, and how fucked up individuals are these days, I'm surprised things are as good as they are. Especially with the sentiment of contempt for them by the general public. These people should see what it's like to live in a country where the police force is institutionally crooked.

And look, you're more than welcome to make comments like fuck the police. Just like I'm more than welcome to debate them. But let's try and keep it somewhat intelligible.

But you're ok with banning people from a whole country just because of a few bad apples.

[welfare]

Look at the stats and find a counter argument for me please.



Not too hard to do that.

Murder rates:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Denmark: 0.99
Finland: 1.60
United kingdom: 0.92

United States: 4.88

It's pretty easy to argue police brutality against countries with far far lower murder rates.
Funny, your boy Cjenk didn't compare to Mexico or Brazil eh?

[SiRV]

Not too hard to do that.

Murder rates:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Denmark: 0.99
Finland: 1.60
United kingdom: 0.92

United States: 4.88

It's pretty easy to argue police brutality against countries with far far lower murder rates.
Funny, they didn't compare to Mexico or Brazil eh?


Seems hard to find relevant data though eh. The data provided in the video I link is in relation to cop violence. Yours is overalll homicide rates, what’s the logic in posting that?

And yeah your right, the USA is a country that is more similar to Mexico than other developed first world Countries =/

[welfare]

Seems hard to find relevant data though eh. The data provided in the video I link is in relation to cop violence. Yours is overalll homicide rates, what’s the logic in posting that?

And yeah your right, the USA is a country that is more similar to Mexico than other developed first world Countries =/

Because police killings are going to correlate to homicide rates. That's why Cjenks comparisons aren't valid.

[twitchyzero]

rewatch the second video and tell me with a straight face he wasn't looking for the slightest cue to blast the guy's head off.

[welfare]

I watched it. Frame by frame. The guy did reach behind his back tho. Why in the fuck would you do that?
I'm not saying one way or the other on that call. I'm not in the guys shoes. Anything beyond the facts are just opinion. And the facts are that he followed protocol.
There was a report of guns being at the residence. That's why they were there. Apparently they weren't real guns but he didn't know that at the time obviously.

And I'm really not trying to argue his innocence. I'm just saying I don't think it does anybody any good to incite animosity between the vast majority of men and women who risk their lives every day (and for the most part I think do a pretty good job) and those that they're trying to protect.

I think we need to ask, how many of us here would want to be in their shoes?

[welfare]

rewatch the second video and tell me with a straight face he wasn't looking for the slightest cue to blast the guy's head off.

Hold on, which video you talking about? See you edited the post

[welfare]

Really, it doesn't even matter. Of course there are videos of police unjustly killing people. That's never going to stop.
Just like civilians unjustly killing won't.
Neither will racism or sexism, or any other bad deed.
But as long as they're on an individual level, I'm fine with accepting that.

[twitchyzero]

so what's the protocol?

the instruction was not to move a single muscle. then he was asked to get into an position for arrest.

then asked to crawl forward? WTF. I am not versed in how to cuff someone when you're handling an AR but I don't see how crawling forward would de-escalate the situation after you're already about to pop a vein barking commands. So what was this cop's next instruction after crawling forward gonna be? Here, cuff yourself??

No, but I didn't sign up to be in the police. He understood the risks in this line of work.

A spokesperson's statement, the title position says it all. The statement is on behalf of that entire police department. Does that mean every officer there is hot-headed? It at least suggests their training is to be questioned if the response is "just following protocol"

and we don't need the shit happens remark. It's the fact that he was acquitted that's got the public angry.

[welfare]

It's because he reached.
Sure, I will agree that protocol in that department should be reviewed. Maybe. I don't think either of us really know enough about the specifics of it to make a valid judgment on that tho

[68style]

There is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have approached that gentleman while face down with his palms stretched outward or clasped behind his head, keeping his gun trained, then kneeling into his back and handcuffing him. That is standard procedure. I know this because I've been through the training myself.

It never should have gotten to the point where the suspect is able to be in a position where it appears he reaches.

This officer is/was a complete lunatic... and he was also let go/fired for various other reasons beyond this incident.

[dark0821]

for lack of better judgement, I just watched the video...and my god... RIP, having 2 kids of my own... I just don't believe my own eyes....

The cop - weather if it was lack of training, or he freaked out at the moment, the high adrenaline or stress he was under... he clearly lost control of himself well before the situation escalated to this level. He had a panic attack and ended someones life.

Don't get me wrong, people make mistakes, especially under pressure, but usually my mistakes do not cost people's lives. That is why the police should be held to a higher standard.

I would like to give the cop and benefit of the doubt that this is "out of character" of him and he just fucked up... big... but having his personal gear (assault rifle) engraved with "you are fucked" does not help his image...

I don't want to take a side, because I wasn't there, I have limited background. I do not know his prior experience, I do not know his personality, I do not know his PD's policy or protocol.

I would have told the suspect to turnaround, walk backwards with both hands held straight up. But that's just me... and I can say that because now I have time to analyse the situation.

the victim - holy fuck... where do I begin... he was out of town doing a job (having wife and kids), but still decided to invite a girl he met at the hotel to his room for drinks... a bit drunk... have air soft pointing out the window. In the video you can clearly hear he told the officer he was NOT drunk and have no trouble following instructions... that was a stupid move, he should've said that he has a bit of drink and maybe that will help the cop handle the situation differently. Because to the cop, if you don't follow his instructions (even just confusing bad ones), you don't follow = you are resisting/not cooperating. If he knows you are drunk, then he may consider that the influence of alcohol may have hinder your ability to comply and not necessary resisting....

the hotel and the "concerned guests" - wow just wow, I think they are the real victims, they did nothing wrong, calling the authorities when you are concerned is the right thing to do. But even if you did the right thing and wanted to be a responsible resident. I can't imagine living with the guilt that you will feel some what responsible for the death. Its a tragic and knowing that your tip let to an innocent man to his death. I will literally develop mental problems if I were the original concerned guest who notified authority. How would I face my family, my friends, how would I face the now widow and his 2 young kids....

sorry for the long rant.... all in all I actually feel quiet uneasy and disturbed. To me it seems more like the system failed the victim, failed the cop, its sad news all around.

Once again, rest in peace, deepest condolences.

[MarkyMark]

I'd like to see the average American (obese) even follow that protocol. As they attempt to crawl their big top heavy gut pushes them forward. Naturally your hands go forward to break your fall and the cop shoots you in the head because you were clearly trying to attack him.

Being in that line of work is dangerous, I don't think they sugarcoat that on the resume. You trained to be able to handle those situations yet time and time again we see that a lot of cops are not suited to be mall security let alone get to play with a real gun.

[Manic!]

Do to the lax gun laws and all the mass shootings in the states cops have to assume every person is armed and dangerous. Better shoot someone then get shot.

[twitchyzero]

*asks someone to crawl*

OMG THE ARMS WENT IN THE DIRECTION OF HIS WAIST

one of the video's comment said it best, just interlock the fingers visibly and don't move at all. Even trigger-happy officers wont fire if you're holding still...don't even give them the slightest doubt you're reaching for a weapon

unless they're just hell-bent on executing you

[Manic!]

I wonder what the NRA/pro gun crowd has to say about this.

[freakshow]

As hard has it was to watch that video multiple times, and the officer clearly looks like a douche and an idiot, Shaver does, relatively abruptly turn to reach to his back. Must have been the intoxication or something.. because it seems like Shaver really wanted to follow their instructions exactly.

[ssjGoku69]

Do to the lax gun laws and all the mass shootings in the states cops have to assume every person is armed and dangerous. Better shoot someone then get shot.

I read somewhere that this video of an officer getting killed by a Vietnam veteran is shown to the trainees during their training. The lesson in this clip is that a second of hesitation can get you killed. The fact that firearms seem to be everywhere in the US doesn't help either.

To Serve & Protect ?...... I'm not so sure about that


Luckily the biggest fear in GVRD is just being tazed.


https://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc?t=60

[mikemhg]

You know what's actually fascinating? For the most part being a police officer is not as dangerous a job as you think, there are far more dangerous jobs out there.

Has anyone actually looked at the statistics of police who are shot in a given year?

Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths (http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?)

66 police out of the hundreds of thousands employed throughout the US were killed by gun shot last year. Some of those shootings include friendly fire. 2016 in particular was a bad year in comparison to previous.

The majority of police deaths are actually related to vehicular accidents.

This myth of danger is somewhat unfounded, there is no reason why these shootings should be occurring to such degree. It's poor training, poor hiring practices, some people simply should not be police officers, plain and simple. We allow them to perpetuate us this narrative so that they may cover their own asses.

[hchang]

^ I agree that they need better training.

Policing in the states is so saturated. They have multiple agencies policing the same area which I never understood. Hard to have a standard when you have so many different views on how to police. They've got City Police Departments, County Sheriff Offices and State Troopers. FBI / DEA too I guess but they don't actively patrol the streets.

Not sure how accurate this article is but it states police officers make less than $40,000 a year in South Carolina. Superiors and Detectives make about $47,000. With that kind of pay in my opinion will yield you average individuals, hired to a job where employees have power and need to be held to a higher standards than the average civilian.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/693403

Average SC Police Officer salary $28,000

State Trooper $37,000

From this link highest salary I see for Police Officer was $51,000 at Rock Hill, SC

https://www1.salary.com/SC/police-officer-salary.html

Vancouver Police probationary wage $70,000. After three years of service goes to $90,000. Four years $100,000 less Union dues.
http://deltapolice.ca/joindpd/constable/compensation/

Delta Police $66,009 probationary, three years $91,000. Four years $101,000 less Union dues.
http://deltapolice.ca/joindpd/constable/compensation/

RCMP starting salary $53,000. Three years $86,000. No Union dues.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/salary-and-benefits

[SiRV]

^ I agree that they need better training.

Policing in the states is so saturated. They have multiple agencies policing the same area which I never understood. Hard to have a standard when you have so many different views on how to police. They've got City Police Departments, County Sheriff Offices and State Troopers. FBI / DEA too I guess but they don't actively patrol the streets.

Not sure how accurate this article is but it states police officers make less than $40,000 a year in South Carolina. Superiors and Detectives make about $47,000. With that kind of pay in my opinion will yield you average individuals, hired to a job where employees have power and need to be held to a higher standards than the average civilian.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/693403

Average SC Police Officer salary $28,000

State Trooper $37,000

From this link highest salary I see for Police Officer was $51,000 at Rock Hill, SC

https://www1.salary.com/SC/police-officer-salary.html

Vancouver Police probationary wage $70,000. After three years of service goes to $90,000. Four years $100,000 less Union dues.
Compensation - Delta Police Department (http://deltapolice.ca/joindpd/constable/compensation/)

Delta Police $66,009 probationary, three years $91,000. Four years $101,000 less Union dues.
Compensation - Delta Police Department (http://deltapolice.ca/joindpd/constable/compensation/)

RCMP starting salary $53,000. Three years $86,000. No Union dues.
Salary and benefits | Royal Canadian Mounted Police (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/salary-and-benefits)

The level of education/brain power it takes to become a cop in Canada is much different than that of the states. To become a VPD officer, you basically need to have a university degree to be even considered being allowed to be part of the force.

In the states, you could be a high school drop out/trigger-happy call of duty fanboy, and end up with a licence to kill. The lower wages reflect the type of character they look for. If they upped the wages to a more respectable level, then it's likely more respectable people would apply.

[welfare]

And not a single protest or riot. Strange..

[SiRV]

And not a single protest or riot. Strange..

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2016/09/from-ferguson-to-charlotte-why-police-protests-turn-into-riots/500981/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest

For some out of country context:
Mass rally in Paris against police brutality | France News | Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/thousands-march-paris-police-violence-170319205028094.html)

[welfare]

I meant for Daniel Shaver

[SiRV]

I meant for Daniel Shaver

Seems to have caused a big stir online.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/8/16752914/police-arizona-philip-brailsford-daniel-shaver

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/arizona-police-shooting-philip-brailsford-acquitted

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/footage-of-a-police-killing-that-jurors-didnt-punish/547868/

Daniel Shaver death: Video shows police shooting unarmed man as he begs for life with his hands up | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/daniel-shaver-death-arizona-police-shooting-video-unarmed-begs-for-life-hands-up-a8100966.html)

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#action

[welfare]

Yes. The outrage pouring over the keyboards is staggering

[Manic!]

Yes. The outrage pouring over the keyboards is staggering

Wait till it happens 30 or 40 more times.

[twitchyzero]

OK so the commands were NOT coming from the officer who wore the cam and pulled the trigger.

Another officer can be heard ordering them to get on the floor and threatening to shoot if they do not comply.

“If you make a mistake, another mistake, there is a very severe possibility you’re both going to get shot,” the officer says in the video. He shouts at Mr. Shaver, “If you move, we are going to consider that a threat, and we are going to deal with it, and you may not survive it.”

“I’m sorry,” Mr. Shaver says at one point. “Please do not shoot me,” he says at another.

The officer’s commands at times seemed contradictory.

“Do not put your hands down for any reason,” he tells Mr. Shaver. “Your hands go back in the small of your back or down, we are going to shoot you, do you understand me?”

“Yes, sir,” a tearful Mr. Shaver responds.

But immediately after, the officer commands, “Crawl towards me,” prompting Mr. Shaver to lower his hands to the floor and begin moving toward the camera.

A few seconds after beginning to crawl, Mr. Shaver twists slightly to his right, his elbow pointing upward. As someone shouts, “Don’t!” Officer Brailsford begins firing.


having multiple officers in that hallway doesn't change the case dramatically but I can see why the experts might lean towards the police's side

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html

edit: so now I'm even more puzzled why one of them couldn't just cuff Shaver when he had his hands behind his head

[Manic!]

The guy on the ground had also been drinking. Just imagine if the guy was def or has some physical or mental disability.

[welfare]

Wait till it happens 30 or 40 more times.

Just like the narrative claims.
Except it's not really true

https://www.cesariolab.com/race-bias-in-shooting

[SiRV]

Just like the narrative claims.
Except it's not really true

https://www.cesariolab.com/race-bias-in-shooting

Those stats are presented in a biased way.
Check these ones instead and they paint a much more different picture.

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

[Mr.Money]

I read somewhere that this video of an officer getting killed by a Vietnam veteran is shown to the trainees during their training. The lesson in this clip is that a second of hesitation can get you killed. The fact that firearms seem to be everywhere in the US doesn't help either.

To Serve & Protect ?...... I'm not so sure about that


Luckily the biggest fear in GVRD is just being tazed.


https://youtu.be/k8-ycSkoYfc?t=60


damn that was hardcore to watch.

the cop was way too passive...some crazy fuck comes out a truck saying "Kill Me!"...holding a rifle easily visible and even has enough time to load a clip in standing outside his door

that instantly raises red flags....and the cops training he completely forgot everything in a panic,he couldn't even shoot the guy 7 steps away..the fuck..was even crazy to see the old war vet use his training in a rage rushing the cop

[Traum]

Instead of focusing on what the cop did, I thought the more ridiculous part of this tragedy is how the court just set the murderous cop free. So his hand twitched to reach for his waist, and he deserves to get fired on from an AR multiple times?

The court ruling here reminded me of the case in Toronto where a cop (Forcillo) shot and killed a knife-wielding teen (Yatim). The cop fired 9 rounds on the kid in total. The first 3 were deemed to be appropriate, but not the subsequent 6 shots. And thus he was only guilty of attempted murder from the firing of the subsequent 6 shots.

The cases are obviously quite different, but I can't help but feel that the Canadian court here came to a verdict that is far more appropriate than what the US court handed out.

So to me, it isn't just the US police system not working. Their court / legal system is also not working as well, and that latter part if far more disconcerting to me.

[RRxtar]

You know what's actually fascinating? For the most part being a police officer is not as dangerous a job as you think, there are far more dangerous jobs out there.

Has anyone actually looked at the statistics of police who are shot in a given year?

Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths (http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?)

66 police out of the hundreds of thousands employed throughout the US were killed by gun shot last year. Some of those shootings include friendly fire. 2016 in particular was a bad year in comparison to previous.

The majority of police deaths are actually related to vehicular accidents.

This myth of danger is somewhat unfounded, there is no reason why these shootings should be occurring to such degree. It's poor training, poor hiring practices, some people simply should not be police officers, plain and simple. We allow them to perpetuate us this narrative so that they may cover their own asses.
for what its worth, not every cop that gets shot dies. can you find numbers on how many are shot and survive? how about how many have simply had a gun pulled on them?

[welfare]

Those stats are presented in a biased way.
Check these ones instead and they paint a much more different picture.

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

Please explain to me how the presentation of the stats, which were constructed specifically to remove bias, actually makes them bias.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

[SiRV]

Please explain to me how the presentation of the stats, which were constructed specifically to remove bias, actually makes them bias.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/


Taken directly from your mediabiasfactcheck site:

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: Vox is an American advocacy news website run by Vox Media, co-founded by liberal columnists Ezra Klein, Melissa Bell, and Matt Yglesias and launched in April 2014. Vox presents with left wing bias in reporting and story choices. There is some use of loaded words, but most articles are sourced to credible information. (5/15/2016)


Did you just see that vox is a left leaning source and immediately discredit it? or do you have a problem with Vox reporting 'factual information' - as described by the link you posted?

With regards to your cesariolab link. It looks like it's written by a C/C+ achieving social science undergraduate student. The author makes so many jumps in mental gymnastics to support his point that:

[QUOTE] However, adjusting these numbers for criminal interactions produces the same consistent finding as seen earlier: Whites were more likely to be killed than Blacks [QUOTE/]

[Berzerker]

When a vast majority of the population carries guns you have to be prepared for EVERYONE having a gun and treating EVERYONE like they could kill you. It's an unfortunate side effect to lax gun laws. Were the commands contradictory and difficult? Yes, did dude reach down quickly to his waist and small of his back? Absolutely. It should never have gotten to that point. Lay down flat on your face with arms outstretched and palms on the floor should have been the time when he was cuffed. Terrible situation with the worst possible outcome. I wonder how the jurors feel after the fact seeing the footage and the evidence that was held from them.

Berz out.

[welfare]

Taken directly from your mediabiasfactcheck site:


Did you just see that vox is a left leaning source and immediately discredit it? or do you have a problem with Vox reporting 'factual information' - as described by the link you posted?



You conveniently missed this part

(wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes

Maybe it's safe to assume that we all present data in a manner which is bias hmmm?

[SiRV]

Again, I reference this article.

https://www.vox.com/cards/police-brutality-shootings-us/us-police-racism

Please point out to me where you find these 'word-modifiers' that influence what is being presented? Most of what I see in that article are numbers and quotations from research studies.

[welfare]

Are these the numbers you're talking about?
Taken from card four of that article

For critics of law enforcement, the incomplete data is just another way it's difficult to hold police accountable. Without complete and accurate statistics, it's impossible to evaluate the extent of racial disparities in police killings, and how the US truly compares with other countries in deaths by law enforcement.

[SiRV]

Are these the numbers you're talking about?
Taken from card four of that article

Ok man, that was really grasping at straws there. If anything, I would assume a right leaning sounding guy like yourself would have appreciated that specific quote because it supports your hypothesis that cops aren't doing a bad job at all.

I'm not going to waste my time on this anymore, you obviously aren't that well educated with analyzing data or even simple concepts. Go on believing that white people are more likely being killed than blacks.

[underscore]

for what its worth, not every cop that gets shot dies. can you find numbers on how many are shot and survive? how about how many have simply had a gun pulled on them?

I don't think officers have time to consider the odds when they think someone is about to pull a gun on them.

I wonder how the jurors feel after the fact seeing the footage and the evidence that was held from them.

I was under the impression they did see it, did they not?

[Berzerker]

You are right the full video was shown. The fact he had "your fucked" etched on his gun was hidden. Could be small but it shows this guy was out to hurt someone IMO and this was a perfect opportunity.

Berz out.

[twitchyzero]

the judge knew about what was engraved on the rifle, but said it won't be used against him in the case

[mikemhg]

Not sure if it was mentioned as well, but the Jury was not allowed to watch the video. They feared it would unfairly influence their decision, which is absolutely ridiculous.

The system is broken, what do we need to do to change it.

Protests aren't working.

[RRxtar]

I don't think officers have time to consider the odds when they think someone is about to pull a gun on them.

my point was that he said "only 66 police were shot and killed last year" implying there is no danger from guns for cops

it is possible 1000 cops have been shot or have had a gun drawn on them. we don't know those numbers.

[GLOW]

his behaviour was like itching to unload the clip ... i was waiting for him to scream UNCLE BENNNNYYYYYY

movie reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plz8T_Pq-kM

[welfare]

Not sure if it was mentioned as well, but the Jury was not allowed to watch the video. They feared it would unfairly influence their decision, which is absolutely ridiculous.

The system is broken, what do we need to do to change it.

Protests aren't working.

The jury saw the video.
Just because a suspect gets killed questionably, doesn't mean the system is "broken".
These are individual incidents. Not a system failure.

[welfare]

Ok man, that was really grasping at straws there. If anything, I would assume a right leaning sounding guy like yourself would have appreciated that specific quote because it supports your hypothesis that cops aren't doing a bad job at all.

I'm not going to waste my time on this anymore, you obviously aren't that well educated with analyzing data or even simple concepts. Go on believing that white people are more likely being killed than blacks.

The article basically states that it's whole premise is pointless, since the data is incomplete.

It doesn't 'support my hypothesis'. Because there is no reliable data to argue either side