[meme405]

So this is startling news in the best of ways:

2016 Nissan 370Z starts at under $30,000 in Canada | Driving (http://driving.ca/nissan/370z/auto-news/news/2016-nissan-370z-starts-at-30000-in-canada)

Nissan has trimmed the 370Z’s starting price in Canada by $10,000.

That’s right: for 2016, a base Nissan 370Z will set you back a hair under $30,000 – $29,998, to be exact. Not only is that on par with U.S. pricing, but based on today’s exchange rate, the Canadian model actually works out to be cheaper.

The base 370Z coupe, now known as the Coupe Enthusiast Edition, comes standard with 18-inch alloy wheels finished in black, HID headlights, automatic climate control, a cloth interior and Bluetooth connectivity.

Nissan’s 3.7-litre V6 is still under the hood, pumping out 332 horsepower and 270 lb.-ft. of torque. A seven-speed automatic transmission is available, but buyers who prefer to row their own gears can opt for a six-speed manual with available rev-matching technology – just in case you mess up those perfectly-timed downshifts.

If you’re looking for more performance, Nissan is offering up the 2016 370Z NISMO for $47,998, while the open-top 370Z roadster starts at $49,498 for 2016.

For comparison’s sake, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe starts at $29,499, while the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ retail for $26,670 and $27,395, respectively.

INB4 mb_ buys a 370z instead of an FRS/BRZ.

[lowside67]

And in other news... FRS/BRZ sales drop 25%.

That's awesome news, maybe I can have a hope of buying a used 370Z for $20k in years to come...

[PandaDog]

The price of used 370z's are going to be hit pretty hard haha

Time to save up? :spin:

[underscore]

Good news for anyone who doesn't already own one, I'm guessing the price of the FRS/BRZ and Genesis coupe were hitting them too hard. Sucks for anyone who already has one though.

[Energy]

That's crazy. How is the Nismo $17k more then?

[meme405]

The other good news to these vehicles is that forums like the370z and myg37 have an abundance of quality used parts and pieces for these cars. Since the thing has been around for so long. You can pick up everything from carbon fenders to Twin Turbo kits for cheap.

In terms of used 370's on CL, those guys are fucked, I see used 2013 and 2014 base models listed for anywhere from 35 to 40 grand. All of a sudden you can buy a brand new one from 5k-10k cheaper from the dealer.

I'd expect prices for a good example 2012-2013 370 to dip around the 25k mark before this coming winter.

2009-2011 vehicles will be have to drop to 20k in no time.

That's crazy. How is the Nismo $17k more then?

Yes the Nismo is an utter rip off now, being that the price wasn't adjusted. Literally you can expect to see unsold Nismo cars on dealer lots for years to come unless they drop the price. Nobody will pay 17k extra for a bumper and some nicer seats.

[320icar]

They probably come with all the options checked already.

Just a wild guess too, but things like e-lsd and brembo brakes and recaro seats and maybe electronic suspension too? A nismo jumps up big time. Though in history you pay more for the nismo name than what you actually end up with

[tonyzoomzoom]

This is comparable to a lower end model that's been offered in the US for around US$30k - cloth seats, etc.

[Akinari]

Interesting. I'd take a 370Z over an FRS/BRZ any day of the week. Perhaps even over a Mustang Ecoboost? Although the Mustang certainly has "more" in terms of potential for more power with a tune and bolt-ons given that it's boosted...

[Timpo]

Yeah 370z can compete with boxster and Cayman in terms of performance. Who would buy FRS for the same price?

[Tone Loc]

332hp for 30k, or 200hp for 25k.... it seems like a no brainer to me.

This won't be good for FRS/BRZ sales at all.

[meme405]

They probably come with all the options checked already.

Just a wild guess too, but things like e-lsd and brembo brakes and recaro seats and maybe electronic suspension too? A nismo jumps up big time. Though in history you pay more for the nismo name than what you actually end up with

The nismo 370z comes with Akebono brakes, they are the exact same brakes which come on the regular sport package car.

I assume the most common configuration (for users on RS) after this price drop would become the base 370z plus the sport pack.

For $34k you have the 6 speed with the rev matching, the exact same brakes and drivetrain as the Nismo model.

That leaves you with almost 15k to do, exhaust, suspension, bodywork, and upgrade your seats, before you reach the price of the Nismo to make it worth it.

EDIT: grab and ark exhaust for $1000 bucks, some KwV3's for $2500, some new seats for 2-3k, and you are killing any Nismo model 370z for 10k less.

[dared3vil0]

332hp for 30k, or 200hp for 25k.... it seems like a no brainer to me.

This won't be good for FRS/BRZ sales at all.

If all we're measuring is horsepower, you can get a Genesis coupe with brembo brakes, torsen diff, and 348hp for under 30k...

[maxx]

wow, GTI and kids have serious competition

[meme405]

If all we're measuring is horsepower, you can get a Genesis coupe with brembo brakes, torsen diff, and 348hp for under 30k...

Yeah but Huyndai vs. a true blooded Z-car.

I mean come on lets be honest you want this in your cars heritage:
http://www.anime-kun.net/animes/screenshots/wangan-midnight-4710.jpg

vs.

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/hyundarri-old-hyundai-coupe-with-ferrari-looks-39750_1.jpg

:troll:

[jasonturbo]

I don't care for the looks or driving characteristics of the 370Z, but god damn, it feels like 2x the car that the Genesis is.

Let's not forget it's a two seater, maybe sales are hard to come by for a hardtop two seater... hence why the verts don't get the discount?

[meme405]

I don't care for the looks or driving characteristics of the 370Z, but god damn, it feels like 2x the car that the Genesis is.

Oh come on. From the side it's basically a 911...

:concentrate::badpokerface::drunk:

[jasonturbo]

Oh come on. From the side it's basically a 911...

:concentrate::badpokerface::drunk:

Not too far off from a narrow body 996 :heckno:

[radioman]

This is interesting.
Hyundais answer isn't to go cheaper like nissan is going. Their next gen is going to be some big $$$

Report: Hyundai To Launch Performance Line With Twin-Turbo Genesis Coupe (http://jalopnik.com/report-hyundai-to-launch-performance-line-with-twin-tu-1696767851)

[radioman]

LOLZ!@

[xXSupa]

Florida beating the bruins 2-1 and ottawa 3-0 over NYR.

Routing for the sens to make it in over the bruins!

LOL

[SpeedStars]

WOW, WHAT A TIME TO SELL ALL OUR CARS :troll:

edit: while this seems like good news though, the 350z was only priced at 25k for the base model...So you could say that Nissan actually priced the 370 too high to begin with

[radioman]

LOL

:okay:

[lowside67]

The great part is the "BASE" model is totally the one that you want. 6spd manual, xenons, bluetooth, LSD, cloth seats, and nothing else. Add sweet wheels/tires, win.

[tofu1413]

Having worked for Nissan and selling Nissans for a few years...


advertised at $29,998 before freight and pdi, and the car would be a car with extremely limited allocation.

[Jmac]

So much win :toot:

[lowside67]

If I wasn't so excited, I would take a moment to feel bad about the current owners... literally the base model that's $39,995 now is the exact same car as the new one at $29,995 except the new one will have cloth instead of leather.

[TOS'd]

Enhancements for the 2016 model year include the addition of a new Deep Blue Pearl exterior color and a new available Bose® audio system incorporating Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) and Active Sound Enhancement (ASE). The ANC system generates canceling sound to remove undesirable low frequency engine noise, while preserving invigorating sounds of engine performance, providing a more “pure” sound. The ASE enhances natural engine sounds to help bolster the driver’s acceleration experience.

http://jalopnik.com/oh-good-the-nissan-370z-gets-speaker-engine-noises-no-1696876189

:fullofwin:

:troll:

[dared3vil0]

Yeah but Huyndai vs. a true blooded Z-car.

I mean come on lets be honest you want this in your cars heritage:
http://www.anime-kun.net/animes/screenshots/wangan-midnight-4710.jpg

vs.



:troll:



Yes that was my point, all he mentioned was hp. My point was there's a hell of a lot more to a car than what it says on paper.

[twitchyzero]

how much is the cheapest one with leather or can you add it on as an option?
the (carcinogenic?) smell of new leather seats is priceless doe :badpokerface:

that's a seriously good deal...esp the old ones that will drop to 20K on used market
I always thought the V6 was a gas hog? That's a half decent milage for 350hp/276ftlbs
http://www.fuelly.com/car/nissan/370z
to think that RSX-S used to run $33K before the days of Gen Coupe and FRS/BRZ :heckno:

[threezero]

332hp for 30k, or 200hp for 25k.... it seems like a no brainer to me.

This won't be good for FRS/BRZ sales at all.

Still 2 different cars. Totally different driving dynamic. Beside both being rwd. FRS light nimble, better seating position imo than 370z and more visibility, frd actually make you work to get the power corners like its on rail. Also got room for 2 midgets or a complete set of tires for track. Toyota/subaru put their focus on balance for this car, from weight distribution to engine choice. Definately wasn't trying to impress anyone by number along, rather by the feel of driving it

370z big heavy gt like cruiser that only seats 2. Feel more luxurious. Comes with 100 blind spots. Powerful, the power is always there but it's almost impossible to drive the car at 10/10 for an average driver. Most of the focus on money for the car is spent on straight line rather than the curves. Imo Nissan here is trying to win the numbers game. Look how much horsey It has and how cheap it is.



2 different cars for 2 different style of driving. Sure you can add power to the frs or better handling to the 370z but stock for stock they are clearly meant for two different kind of drivers

[mb_]

What threezero basically said. While the power a 370Z has is nice, it feels like a boat compared to the Toyobaru twins. Other than power, I preferred everything about the FRS/BRZ over the 370Z.

If I was looking for power, I would probably put this and a Mustang into the mix but to me, the driving feel is more important. While this looks EXTREMELY attractive on paper, you'd have to drive both cars and see how you like them. I've already made up my mind, I can live with 200HP/151lb/ft :D

[rJZx]

^Get this :troll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83RCDFg67zQ

[lowside67]

Still 2 different cars. Totally different driving dynamic. Beside both being rwd. FRS light nimble, better seating position imo than 370z and more visibility, frd actually make you work to get the power corners like its on rail. Also got room for 2 midgets or a complete set of tires for track. Toyota/subaru put their focus on balance for this car, from weight distribution to engine choice. Definately wasn't trying to impress anyone by number along, rather by the feel of driving it

370z big heavy gt like cruiser that only seats 2. Feel more luxurious. Comes with 100 blind spots. Powerful, the power is always there but it's almost impossible to drive the car at 10/10 for an average driver. Most of the focus on money for the car is spent on straight line rather than the curves. Imo Nissan here is trying to win the numbers game. Look how much horsey It has and how cheap it is.

2 different cars for 2 different style of driving. Sure you can add power to the frs or better handling to the 370z but stock for stock they are clearly meant for two different kind of drivers
While it's not the only measure of the ever elusive "handling" game, a stock FRS does a paltry 0.89G on the skidpad while a 370Z delivers .97G out of the box, a pretty massive improvement. At autocross in stock class they were classed in the same class with equal preparation allowances for tires, etc. and at the highest levels of competition, the 370Z absolutely dominated the FRS to the point they had to reclass it.

I agree with you very much that they are 2 different cars for 2 different styles of driving but I disagree most of the rest of your post. You say things like "Toyota focused on the weight distribution" ... err, at 53/47 it's actually identical to the 370Z.

I really think Nissan didn't just show up with more hp, they showed up with more CAR - it's got more engine, bigger brakes, wheels/tires, much nicer interior, it goes on and on. At $39k vs $27k for an FRS it made sense but at $29,900 it's going to be a HUGE challenge for FRS sales moving forward IMO.

Mark

[threezero]

I mean frs was a hard sell from the get go. It looks exotic but has less horsey and is less powerful than a family sedan. I suppose for most ppl Frs will disappoint you at first drive. but it is truly design for an enthusiast. I'm not compare things for things between frs and 370z I'm comparing the ideology behind two cars.

You are right 370z brought a lot of car for the price. And that was their exact ideology behind the 370. Pack big engine, big brakes etc etc. I mean on theory if you put all of those big things together you are suppose to end up with a superior car. Car is just a sum of its parts.

Frs on the other hand was aiming to be a car for the driving experience and even have various timbits for the track enthusiast. Doesn't have the much brag worthy parts and specs but it's how everything was meticulously chosen and put together for the experience.

Anybody that has driven any low power older cars would be able to understand why the smile per miles is not measure by any speed and power along

[geeknerd]

so, when is the price drop happening?

[meme405]

I mean frs was a hard sell from the get go. It looks exotic but has less horsey and is less powerful than a family sedan. I suppose for most ppl Frs will disappoint you at first drive. but it is truly design for an enthusiast. I'm not compare things for things between frs and 370z I'm comparing the ideology behind two cars.

You are right 370z brought a lot of car for the price. And that was their exact ideology behind the 370. Pack big engine, big brakes etc etc. I mean on theory if you put all of those big things together you are suppose to end up with a superior car. Car is just a sum of its parts.

Frs on the other hand was aiming to be a car for the driving experience and even have various timbits for the track enthusiast. Doesn't have the much brag worthy parts and specs but it's how everything was meticulously chosen and put together for the experience.

Anybody that has driven any low power older cars would be able to understand why the smile per miles is not measure by any speed and power along

I understand 100% where you are coming from.

BUT...

Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if it handles like a boat and kicks like a donkey, being faster is all that matters.

:troll:

[vudooca]

Nice just as how the Z is suppose to be ever since the 240Z. An affordable sports car for all.

350Z prices dropping... 300zx twin turbo prices rising (friend sold his for 24,000 USD last month) and it looked like this http://www.z32tt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SeymourZ32-700x393.jpg... 240z prices rising too...

[Tone Loc]

Anybody that has driven any low power older cars would be able to understand why the smile per miles is not measure by any speed and power along

Trust me, I know a good car is not all about HP. I drive a 100hp 1986 Corolla lol and it never fails to put a big smile on my face every time I drive it.

I really do want the FRS to succeed, mostly because I'd like to buy one after landing a big-boy career and saving up for a down payment on a home.

But what I mean is that for the average consumer, i.e., not most of us who recognize that an FRS is more than the sum of its parts with respect to driving experience, it'll be a lot harder to justify the price of the FRS/BRZ when the 370Z is only 5-6k more (with a BRZ this price gap will be smaller).

This car is likely going to cater to all the people who think the FRS is "too slow" or has "not enough power".... IMO, you can lose your license driving both. So to me, driving a "slow car fast" is way more appealing. Just that other people won't see it that way.

[threezero]

^agree 100% all my cars are slow lol

[noclue]

I think the 370Z is due for a redesign next year. I would hold out

[vudooca]

Time to look for a used 370z Bob?s NISMO 370Z TT | (http://specialtyz.com/blog/?p=2579)

:D

[twitchyzero]

I think the 370Z is due for a redesign next year. I would hold out

I doubt a Z35 will be anywhere near 30k

[meowjinboo]

from what I remember this car has the highest insurance rates out of any vehicle ICBC insures. Can anyone confirmÉ

[Timpo]

it's gonna hurt Ford Mustang too.

[Timpo]

from what I remember this car has the highest insurance rates out of any vehicle ICBC insures. Can anyone confirmÉ

There's no way, Lamborghini, Maserati, Bugatti, Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Bentley, McLaren, etc...are all more expensive than the 370Z

[AudiFreak]

I don't care for the looks or driving characteristics of the 370Z, but god damn, it feels like 2x the car that the Genesis is.

Let's not forget it's a two seater, maybe sales are hard to come by for a hardtop two seater... hence why the verts don't get the discount?

Agreed. Not many are too crazy about 2 seater hard tops. It all depends on the market I guess.

[Traum]

With 245 front, and 275 rear high performance tires, of course the 370Z will out grip the FRS with the measly 215 "Prius" tires by a large margin. I am not familiar with the episode when the 370Z was classed in CS, but assigning that classification to the Z was more of a mistaken on the SEB's part than a suggestion that the 2 cars were equals.

With the weight distribution / balance thing, I suspect that threezero was really trying to refer to 1) weight, and 2) dynamic balance. It's just that his words came out wrong. There is no denying that Z is a 3300+ lbs pig compared to a 2700+ lbs medium weight car. 600 lbs is a LOT! I have never driven a Z car before, so I don't know how they handle, but I suspect that with that much power on tap, it can easily do power slides at will.

In that sense, I disagree that the Z offers more "car" than the FRS. I think it just offers a different car than the FRS. A lot of people are going to be attracted to the Z by its very attractive price and the package it offers, and the FRS is going to become an even more difficult sell in the face of this competitor.

And one more thing -- don't forget that the ND Miata is gonna become available for sale as well. And it'll come with its 155 hp engine. FailFish As much as I love the Miata, I really don't know how the car is gonna be able to fare against its competitors...

While it's not the only measure of the ever elusive "handling" game, a stock FRS does a paltry 0.89G on the skidpad while a 370Z delivers .97G out of the box, a pretty massive improvement. At autocross in stock class they were classed in the same class with equal preparation allowances for tires, etc. and at the highest levels of competition, the 370Z absolutely dominated the FRS to the point they had to reclass it.

I agree with you very much that they are 2 different cars for 2 different styles of driving but I disagree most of the rest of your post. You say things like "Toyota focused on the weight distribution" ... err, at 53/47 it's actually identical to the 370Z.

I really think Nissan didn't just show up with more hp, they showed up with more CAR - it's got more engine, bigger brakes, wheels/tires, much nicer interior, it goes on and on. At $39k vs $27k for an FRS it made sense but at $29,900 it's going to be a HUGE challenge for FRS sales moving forward IMO.

[underscore]

driving a "slow car fast" is way more appealing.

On twists and turns and a track sure, but for daily driving I'm getting really sick of underpowered vehicles. And lets be honest, the vast majority of 86/Z/Genesis owners just use them as DD's.

[ncrx]

With 245 front, and 275 rear high performance tires, of course the 370Z will out grip the FRS with the measly 215 "Prius" tires by a large margin. I am not familiar with the episode when the 370Z was classed in CS, but assigning that classification to the Z was more of a mistaken on the SEB's part than a suggestion that the 2 cars were equals.

With the weight distribution / balance thing, I suspect that threezero was really trying to refer to 1) weight, and 2) dynamic balance. It's just that his words came out wrong. There is no denying that Z is a 3300+ lbs pig compared to a 2700+ lbs medium weight car. 600 lbs is a LOT! I have never driven a Z car before, so I don't know how they handle, but I suspect that with that much power on tap, it can easily do power slides at will.

In that sense, I disagree that the Z offers more "car" than the FRS. I think it just offers a different car than the FRS. A lot of people are going to be attracted to the Z by its very attractive price and the package it offers, and the FRS is going to become an even more difficult sell in the face of this competitor.

And one more thing -- don't forget that the ND Miata is gonna become available for sale as well. And it'll come with its 155 hp engine. FailFish As much as I love the Miata, I really don't know how the car is gonna be able to fare against its competitors...

i agree with lowside.. it is more car not just from a specs point of view, but the fit , finish, chassis, etc is better in the z than in the frs. it is a nicer street car. however it also comes with larger maintenance costs.

the frs is cheap on the inside, cheap plastics, materials, and the engine is a snore, it sounds terrible, lacks torque, and just feels anemic. the frs might feel nimble on the street but in a stock vs stock situation at autox, the frs at the limit is not that enjoyable except through a slalom. now an stx frs would be quite fun, but if we're comparing stock vs stock, the z takes it

it is two very different experiences, but as a street car the z wins hands down. the only thing holding the z back is the age old nissan issue of fuel starve through a corner.

i just feel the frs is overpriced and underpowered. im not quite sure what market they're targeting.. young enthusiasts .. then its too expensive. young professionals? then the fit and finish isnt there. performance drivers? then it doesnt quite have the excitement required.

i myself will be picking up the nd miata, altho underpowered, i want the low weight, open top, toy car. i only drive twice a week so i can live with the inconvenience of its size. it also appears to have made a step forward in the fit finish department as well, however it is also overpriced and underpowered. so who knows what will happen to it.. maybe all the early na/nb owners will be looking for a replacement

[Traum]

Dips on ND co-drive, NCRX? :hotbaby:

[Akinari]

i just feel the frs is overpriced and underpowered. im not quite sure what market they're targeting.. young enthusiasts .. then its too expensive. young professionals? then the fit and finish isnt there. performance drivers? then it doesnt quite have the excitement required.

This.

The FRS/BRZ are great driver's cars, but as a DD I would not want one considering there are "better" cars out there for the price to choose from, from my perspective. Let's be honest here, $30k is not a small amount of money to a good chunk of here on RS. The only thing the FRS/BRZ does very well is in the steering department, but aside from that, pretty meh in my books after driving a few a couple times. For $30k, 370Z > FRS/BRZ all day everyday I don't even need to think twice about it, especially as a DD.

[Qmx323]

Having worked for Nissan and selling Nissans for a few years...


advertised at $29,998 before freight and pdi, and the car would be a car with extremely limited allocation.

+1

Out the door it'll probably run ya 36k

[meme405]

+1

Out the door it'll probably run ya 36k

Okay fine. But an FRS with no factory boxes checked besides navigation is $32,000 out the door, and that's with $1000 incentive.

The taxes and levies on both vehicles are largely similar. So we can stick to just looking at their MSRP's without much complaint either way.

The difference in price is for all intents and purposes $5000.

Now I will concede that due to the lack of back seats in the 370z, it is in a different more expensive insurance classification. So that's a cost to think about, as well as the fact that the 370z is going to be a complete pig on gas compared to the FRS. Also the 370z requires premium, vs the FRS can work on whatever.

Still I know which i'd rather drive...

[vudooca]

i think all toyota needs to do to answer back is to add a turbo package in the options. just needs a small garrett and wider wheels.

[mb_]

FRS also requires premium (91 octane) due to its high compression engine

[Gamed]

Not worth buying 2016 370Z when 2017 will be the new generation, new styling + more HP. And FRS/BRZ does give you better driving experience as its light and agile. Definitely FRS/BRZ are better street dd car while 370z 2 seater good for the track. It really up to you what you use the car for. You really don't need 3XX HP on the street while FRS/BRZ gives you enough with much less gas consumption with cheaper maintenance and cheaper to insure.

[twitchyzero]

Not worth buying 2016 370Z when 2017 will be the new generation, new styling + more HP.

again,

I doubt a Z35 will be anywhere near 30k

[smoothie.]

how did a 370 vs frs war happen?

they're not even in the same class.

excited for this price drop, maybe other manufacturers will follow suit!

[604STIG]

Wow, this is huge news (for me at least) I was just in at the dealer this weekend trying to take a look at the new Z cause i'm ready to pull the trigger on one. With this news though i'll definitely wait for the 2016, hopefully it's out by September. Now I just hop that they will finally let you select black leather with the white exterior.

[The_AK]

Waiting for Timpo's GT-R related response

[Timpo]

And one more thing -- don't forget that the ND Miata is gonna become available for sale as well. And it'll come with its 155 hp engine. FailFish As much as I love the Miata, I really don't know how the car is gonna be able to fare against its competitors...ND Miata will still handle great, it has Guiness World Record reputation of best selling sportscar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLGEA6U2tI

[Timpo]

how did a 370 vs frs war happen?

they're not even in the same class.

excited for this price drop, maybe other manufacturers will follow suit!

The 370Z vs FRS war happened because of 370Z's new price.

370Z and FRS used to be in the different class due to $10,000 price difference.
All the sudden, people who can afford an FRS can afford a 370Z now.

For $29,995, the 370Z is a lot of car for the money.

[Timpo]

Waiting for Timpo's GT-R related response

GT-R already dominates supercar class for its price point...370Z is in different class.

[capt_slo]

it's gonna hurt Ford Mustang too.

Not as much as you might think. The ecoboost has appeal to the cross-shoppers of the import vs. mustang - which is still a relatively small crowd.

Mustang sales are more at risk from the next Camaro and the rejection of the S550's "euro or fusion coupe look" from the traditional pony car crowd.

[Gamed]

The 370Z vs FRS war happened because of 370Z's new price.

370Z and FRS used to be in the different class due to $10,000 price difference.
All the sudden, people who can afford an FRS can afford a 370Z now.

For $29,995, the 370Z is a lot of car for the money.

Agree, 370Z vs FRS is purely on the prices. Even with the 10K price cut, it is still not that affordable as it is pretty much a toy track car. 2 Seater with limited truck space, not something you want on a daily bases while FRS is good for all purpose.But you'll likely to get bang for your buck if you consider Genesis Coupe for HP/Torque which FRS is lacking.

Here is a nice video on FRS vs 370Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4

[white rocket]

The 350 and 370 respectively have done nothing for me at all ever but fuck me, that's a good deal; and I'm a sucker for a good deal. I love love love the Z32 but pricing is outta hand right now as it's moving into collectable territory. It already has I suppose. For $30k it seems like A LOT of car for the money. Use money saved to improve where it lacks?

So are we thinking that Nissan Canada has done this to increase sales but also because the Z34 is on it's way out with the Z35 being introduced next year or 2017? Trying to flog off the old style?

[underscore]

Agree, 370Z vs FRS is purely on the prices. Even with the 10K price cut, it is still not that affordable as it is pretty much a toy track car. 2 Seater with limited truck space, not something you want on a daily bases while FRS is good for all purpose.

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).

[Gamed]

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).

True, Not that often that you'll have 2 additional passengers + yourself and even FRS the rear two seats is very very uncomfortable. But for a baby seat that's definitely possible. But sometimes it is good to have extra seats even though you may not be needing it. Use it as extra cargo space if needed. On the other hand, 370z 's truck space, you have a space of 1 20 inch tires.

[svelt]

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).

i see what you did there, but if just sitting down is hard enough for a taller dude, imagine doing anything else. still, i love back seats for the expanded storage space.

Again, as someone keenly observed this isn't a 30k car but more like a 36k price you have to pay out the door. Still, contrasting with whatever else you can pick up for 36 grand even in the lightly 1-2 year used market and it's a hell of a deal. Good work Nissan.

[meme405]

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).

Fuck I drive an SUV on the weekends, and a crew cab Pickup during the week, and I can count on one hand the number of days each month I need more than 2 seats.

[capt_slo]

I cram 2 or more passengers in my Mustang bout 4-5 times per month on average

[604STIG]

I have a 4 door sedan as my daily now, can't remember the last time I needed to use the rear seats for extra passengers. Have my Crew cab F150 for weekends anyways so this works for me:awwyeah:

[Akinari]

Having back seats to me just equals being able to huck random shit into the rear seats while I'm sitting in the driver's seat without having to open the rear doors :alonehappy:

Although, technically the 370Z's trunk area can be accessed from the driver's seat too unlike a roadster...

[Energy]

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).

Once or twice a month.

[Traum]

I have to ask, how often do you guys put more than 2 people in your coupe? I can't remember the last time I had someone back there (while driving anyways).
Dude, didn't you learn anything in highschool? You need the back seats for something else other than carrying additional passengers. :troll:

[Gamed]

No point of getting a new 2016 base model for 30K or 36K out the door. With the price cut, now all the used fully loaded Z 2009~2013 will be a lot cheaper. More so when 2016 is the last of its kinda. Either get an older Z or wait for the Z35 in 2017

[underscore]

Once or twice a month.

But you're trading your car for an S2K?

Dude, didn't you learn anything in highschool? You need the back seats for something else other than carrying additional passengers. :troll:

I made that exact joke in my post... either way no highschool kid will be buying a 370 unless their idiot parents buy it for them

[Energy]

But you're trading your car for an S2K?


That way I don't have to drive anyone at all :)

[lowside67]

Again, as someone keenly observed this isn't a 30k car but more like a 36k price you have to pay out the door. Still, contrasting with whatever else you can pick up for 36 grand even in the lightly 1-2 year used market and it's a hell of a deal. Good work Nissan.
In fairness, an FRS isn't a $30k car either.

FR-S:
$26,670
+$1,695 frt/PDI
+$125 a/c and tire levy
=$28,490
+$3,418.80 taxes
=$31,908.80

370Z:
$29,998
+$1,740 frt/PDI
+$125 a/c and tire levy
=$31,863
+$3,823.56
=$35,686.56

While there is $1,000 cash back on the FR-S right now, there won't be on 2016 models so the difference on newly ordered 2016 models is only $3,777.76, not the $5-$6k difference that is being thrown around casually in this thread.

I agree they are very different cars and I highly doubt the 370Z is going to have the lovely steering feel that the FRS has, I just don't know that I would miss that steering feel much on my commute, but I would certainly appreciate another 100ft-lbs of torque.

Mark

[lowside67]

In other news... here is the link to the real Nissan news release:
Nissan announces Canadian pricing for 2016 Nissan 370Z - Nissan Online Newsroom (http://nissannews.com/en-CA/nissan/canada/releases/nissan-announces-canadian-pricing-for-2016-nissan-370z)

Also, I just got off the phone with a local dealer, 2016s are literally shipping already and can be ordered. Unfortunately there is no middle ground, you either buy a base or you buck up another $14k for a touring+sport, there is no way to get a low option 370Z with the performance equipment like they can in the US which is super disappointing!

Mark

[Timpo]

The MSRP for 350Z was $50,000
Since 370Z came out, they lowered it by $10,000 which made it $40,000
Now they lowered ANOTHER $10,000 and made it $30,000

So the 370Z is $20,000 cheaper than 350Z, that's quite significant.

[tonyzoomzoom]

Sucks that there is no base model + sport option like they have in the US.

[SpuGen]

I almost bought an FRS.

Then I looked behind me and realized that the rear was completely useless. So, I bought an MR2.
Faster. Makes woosh noises. Equal amounts of useful space.

Plus, I've never seen a girl so amused by the fact that she was not only fucking in a car, but her head was also bobbing out of the t-tops, so it was like outdoors sex too. Two for one.

That being said, seriously considering a 370Z now. There's been a few times where I've wanted to just close my eyes and just buy one.

[kouki_monster]

You guys that are arguing that the 370z are two totally different cars are spot on

The 370z is now a 30k car.

And the FRS/BRZ should be a 20k ish car, even before the 370z price drop to increase competition lol.

[AudiFreak]

All this does is lower the price of used 370z base coupes, and a little bit of the touring/sport used market. Convertible/Roadster owners really aren't affected.

Would definitely be nice to pay 30k all in for a used 2016 in a year or two :P

[meme405]

All this does is lower the price of used 370z base coupes, and a little bit of the touring/sport used market. Convertible/Roadster owners really aren't affected.

Would definitely be nice to pay 30k all in for a used 2016 in a year or two :P

Who cares about convertible owners anyway, the soft top 370Z is so dumb looking, especially in a city like Vancouver where you are going to have the top up like 10 months out of the year.

You're right though, now that we know you can't get the sport pack vehicle at this great price it's slightly less interesting to me.

What is interesting is the fact that used prices for these things are still going to tank, and that includes the sport models. So I am likely going to be looking around in the used market in 6-10 months.

[brrrz]

If I knew I could have got a base 370Z for the same price as my BRZ. Id still pick my BRZ.

[Gucci Mane]

In fairness, an FRS isn't a $30k car either.

FR-S:
$26,670
+$1,695 frt/PDI
+$125 a/c and tire levy
=$28,490
+$3,418.80 taxes
=$31,908.80

370Z:
$29,998
+$1,740 frt/PDI
+$125 a/c and tire levy
=$31,863
+$3,823.56
=$35,686.56

While there is $1,000 cash back on the FR-S right now, there won't be on 2016 models so the difference on newly ordered 2016 models is only $3,777.76, not the $5-$6k difference that is being thrown around casually in this thread.

I agree they are very different cars and I highly doubt the 370Z is going to have the lovely steering feel that the FRS has, I just don't know that I would miss that steering feel much on my commute, but I would certainly appreciate another 100ft-lbs of torque.

Mark

supercharge the FRS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxPptepNZjk

[meme405]

If Scion/Subaru would release a TRD Sport package/STI model, which had either a supercharger or a small turbo, with some 255 or 275 square wheels and tires, and this had factory warranty support and costed 5-6k. Then it would make the FRS more of a competitor...

[tofu1413]

and if they did..

the car would no longer be "an affordable rwd fun car"

I think they did a good job to make a sports car for the masses. We are all spoiled by powerful cars / horsepower wars.

[SpeedStars]

If they released a supercharged/turbod FRS/brz you can expect it to cost upwards of 40grand... I think this is one of the many reasons Toyobaru is hesitant to boost it since, at 40K, you're asking a lot of money for not that much car... Also, at 12.5:1 in the fa20, having a reliable boosted high compression boxer engine is going to be trouble

[lowside67]

I don't know if I am the only one that misread it or if some seriously ninja shit has happened but turns out the 370Z base does not come with an LSD and the only way to get it is the $44k touring+sport package. Unfortunately I had to be at the dealership today test driving a car and working on ordering one to figure that out.

-Mark

[meme405]

I don't know if I am the only one that misread it or if some seriously ninja shit has happened but turns out the 370Z base does not come with an LSD and the only way to get it is the $44k touring+sport package. Unfortunately I had to be at the dealership today test driving a car and working on ordering one to figure that out.

-Mark

Since when? Source? EDIT: I mean I know you were at the dealership, but can you point me to somewhere on paper where it says that?

That LSD has been the only diff offered in the 370z for the entire run of the model.

Re-edit: Nevermind looks like american models have been like that for awhile. It was only in Canada where the LSD was always standard equipment.

[underscore]

If the only thing you want to add is an LSD save yourself $14k and get an aftermarket one that's piles better for $1500 and be done with it. From what little I know the OEM one isn't very good anyways.

You're right though, now that we know you can't get the sport pack vehicle at this great price it's slightly less interesting to me.

What does the sport pack come with over the base? From what I gather even the top FRS still isn't as well equipped as the base 370.

[tofu1413]

If the only thing you want to add is an LSD save yourself $14k and get an aftermarket one that's piles better for $1500 and be done with it. From what little I know the OEM one isn't very good anyways.



What does the sport pack come with over the base?

Leather, nav, bose, sport suspension, big brakes, 19" rays forged wheels, aero kit, syncro rev match...

off the top of my head.

[lowside67]

Since when? Source? EDIT: I mean I know you were at the dealership, but can you point me to somewhere on paper where it says that?

That LSD has been the only diff offered in the 370z for the entire run of the model.

Re-edit: Nevermind looks like american models have been like that for awhile. It was only in Canada where the LSD was always standard equipment.
I sat down with the salesman and we read the email from Nissan to the dealerships with the new information on 2016 pricing. It was clear that it was added when you got to Touring and above only.

While an aftermarket LSD is certainly possible, it's not legal in the autocross classing I am interested in so unfortunately it's not an option.

Mark

[lowside67]

Leather, nav, bose, sport suspension, big brakes, 19" rays forged wheels, aero kit, syncro rev match...

off the top of my head.
Touring adds leather, navi, heated seats, Bose, LSD

Sport adds Syncro rev match, 19" wheels, big brakes, front lip.

[sdubfid]

14k better include a vk

[meme405]

Leather, nav, bose, sport suspension, big brakes, 19" rays forged wheels, aero kit, syncro rev match...

off the top of my head.

No, some of those are touring package options.

Sport pack would be the synchro rev match, LSD, Akebono brakes, 19" rays, Illuminated Z side markers, Front Chin spoiler, rear deck lid spoiler, heated mirrors.

If they would just sell us the sport package car for 4k more than the Base model like they do in the states this would be a brilliant deal.

[Timpo]

If 370Z is going to be $30,000 here are some rivals in terms of price & power.

Ford Mustang
MSRP: $25,349
3.7L V6
300 hp @ 6,500 rpm
280 lb.-ft. @ 4,000 rpm
http://www.mustang6g.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/2015-Mustang-V6-Guard-750x510.jpg

Chevrolet Camaro
MSRP: $30,845
3.6L V6
323hp @ 6800 rpm
278 lb.-ft. @ 4800 rpm
http://www.torquenews.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_560/public/mm_gal_item_c2_14.img_resize.img_stage._1.jpg

Dodge Challenger
MSRP: $29,995
3.6L V6
305 hp @ 6,350 rpm
268 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/33/10/53/7113458/3/628x471.jpg

[asian_XL]

^ Genesis Coupe

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/new-specification/gen_coupe_38_ultimate_433x190.png

MSRP: $26,750
3.8L V6
345 hp @ 6400 rpm
295 lb-ft @ 6400 rpm

[Timpo]

^ Genesis Coupe

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/new-specification/gen_coupe_38_ultimate_433x190.png

MSRP: $26,750
3.8L V6
345 hp @ 6400 rpm
295 lb-ft @ 6400 rpm
$29,499.00 :ifyouknow:
New Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2014, 2.0T, 3.8, 3.8GT - Luxury Sports Car - Affordable Sports Car (http://www.hyundaicanada.com/pages/showroom/showroom.aspx?model=genesis%20coupe)

[Rainei]

Whether or not you believe people actually need more than 2 seats on a regular basis, the fact remains that the lack of actual seating for more than 2 people greatly restricts the potential market for the car.

I've driven a 2 seater as my sole vehicle for the past 2.5 years. It was fine at first, as I was hanging out with people that all had their own vehicle, but then I started hanging out with some friends that didn't.

With careful planning, I've avoided most conflicts by planning ahead of time and informing the friend that I can only drive one person. However, situations inevitably arise where the lack of seats ends up inconveniencing either yourself where you can't fit some stuff, or some other people and they would have to find their way home in the middle of the night, where it would have been on your way had you had an extra seat.

Caveat is, I was able to borrow both my brother's or mother's vehicle pretty often, which indeed have more than 2 seats.

It is actually quite a hassle, and I am sure a vast majority of the car buying public would not want to live with a 2 seater as an only vehicle.

[ImportPsycho]

$29,499.00 :ifyouknow:
New Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2014, 2.0T, 3.8, 3.8GT - Luxury Sports Car - Affordable Sports Car (http://www.hyundaicanada.com/pages/showroom/showroom.aspx?model=genesis%20coupe)

new 2015 pricing is really messed up.
2015 3.8GT is now 5k more than last year's and they left out HID and Navi.. :rukidding:

[Tone Loc]

On twists and turns and a track sure, but for daily driving I'm getting really sick of underpowered vehicles. And lets be honest, the vast majority of 86/Z/Genesis owners just use them as DD's.

Depends where/how you drive. And whether or not you are pissing off the people behind you, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck as $167 and 3 points is not worth appeasing the d-bag tailgating me but isn't smart enough to pass...

Personally, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets back in my N days - including losing my license - that I drive like a grandpa on the road now. For DD, you don't really need a whole lot of power to keep up with traffic... it's not like we live in Washington state where the highway traffic flow is like 120 km/h. Then again, I've only ever owned "slow" cars so that's just me.

[Timpo]

Whether or not you believe people actually need more than 2 seats on a regular basis, the fact remains that the lack of actual seating for more than 2 people greatly restricts the potential market for the car.

I've driven a 2 seater as my sole vehicle for the past 2.5 years. It was fine at first, as I was hanging out with people that all had their own vehicle, but then I started hanging out with some friends that didn't.

With careful planning, I've avoided most conflicts by planning ahead of time and informing the friend that I can only drive one person. However, situations inevitably arise where the lack of seats ends up inconveniencing either yourself where you can't fit some stuff, or some other people and they would have to find their way home in the middle of the night, where it would have been on your way had you had an extra seat.

Caveat is, I was able to borrow both my brother's or mother's vehicle pretty often, which indeed have more than 2 seats.

It is actually quite a hassle, and I am sure a vast majority of the car buying public would not want to live with a 2 seater as an only vehicle.
Whether or not you believe it most people actually do NOT need more than 2 seat most of the time.

That's why Smart cars have only 2 seats and they actually did quite extensive research on that.

And if you're worried about passenger capacity, which is understandable, you probably shouldn't be looking for a sportscar. Maybe get an EVO or STi.

Most Ferrari and Lamborghini have 2 seats and they still sell like hot cake. Same with Miata, Elise, etc.

[Timpo]

new 2015 pricing is really messed up.
2015 3.8GT is now 5k more than last year's and they left out HID and Navi.. :rukidding:

Maybe different Korean-Canadian rate exchange?

[!Yaminashi]

Most Ferrari and Lamborghini have 2 seats and they still sell like hot cake. Same with Miata, Elise, etc.

I really don't think people buying any of these types of cars are considering based on seating capacity.. They sell like hot cakes because they're directed at a specific market, but not the type of market that thinks "hmm I might have to drive my friends home on Friday night"

[Timpo]

I really don't think people buying any of these types of cars are considering based on seating capacity.. They sell like hot cakes because they're directed at a specific market, but not the type of market that thinks "hmm I might have to drive my friends home on Friday night"

So if you're a type of person who makes purchasing decision based on the car's capability to drive your friends around on Friday nights, then neither FRS/370Z is for you.

There are much better option for you out there.

EVO, STi, ISF, M3, A4, etc...

[Rainei]

I'm just merely commenting on the fact that the vast majority of the population would not consider a 2 seater based purely on the fact that indeed, they have friends that they would like to drive around on Friday nights.

Yes, most people dont use the back seats 95% of the time. It's the 5% where you do need it that really annoys people.

But otherwise yea, sacrifices have to be made since Miatas are too good not to drive.. Though I'm considering getting a four door for back up duties.

[Gamed]

The issue lies the price tag of $36K 2 seaters car that is being used for DD then seems waste of money, unless you have rich. If you finance or lease $36K its at least $600~700 per month commitment for like next 6~8 years. Majority of people who drive Smart car are single people who takes it too work. Who also rarely family. While for Lambo, 370Z isnt Lambo.

[underscore]

I sat down with the salesman and we read the email from Nissan to the dealerships with the new information on 2016 pricing. It was clear that it was added when you got to Touring and above only.

While an aftermarket LSD is certainly possible, it's not legal in the autocross classing I am interested in so unfortunately it's not an option.

Mark

Pardon my ignorance of AutoX classing, but could you just pick up an OEM LSD from someone who upgraded theirs and put it in your base? It might take a little bit of time and patience but I'd imagine you could get one very cheaply.

Yes, most people dont use the back seats 95% of the time. It's the 5% where you do need it that really annoys people.

I'll take the 5% annoyance so I can drive a better car the other 95%, but that's just me. If you have easy access to other vehicles (spouse, roommate, etc) then it's less of a problem. Or you could just get less needy friends :whistle:

Depends where/how you drive. And whether or not you are pissing off the people behind you, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck as $167 and 3 points is not worth appeasing the d-bag tailgating me but isn't smart enough to pass...

Personally, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets back in my N days - including losing my license - that I drive like a grandpa on the road now. For DD, you don't really need a whole lot of power to keep up with traffic... it's not like we live in Washington state where the highway traffic flow is like 120 km/h. Then again, I've only ever owned "slow" cars so that's just me.

I drive like a normal person but I don't like having to drop gears and take a bit of a run up just to pass someone on the highway or get up a hill. If you only ever drive on <80km/h roads it doesn't matter but on the highway it gets old fast.

[lowside67]

Pardon my ignorance of AutoX classing, but could you just pick up an OEM LSD from someone who upgraded theirs and put it in your base? It might take a little bit of time and patience but I'd imagine you could get one very cheaply.
It's possible but I would need to do an entire US "Sport Package" conversion, so would need SynchroRev, brakes, in addition to the LSD which would be a really expensive and not-worthwhile conversion. Doesn't really make a ton of sense but that's how the rules work.

Mark

[Timpo]

I'll take the 5% annoyance so I can drive a better car the other 95%, but that's just me. If you have easy access to other vehicles (spouse, roommate, etc) then it's less of a problem. Or you could just get less needy friends :whistle:

yeah, why would you spend extra money or sacrifice what you really wanted just so that you can be a designated driver for your friends?

I know he's doing a favor for his friends by purchasing specifically to drive them around, but they can probably get a ride with somebody else or take a cab, which sure to be cheaper than buying a 4 door sedan.
If you're trying to win popularity by driving people around, sorry but that's not gonna happen. I would not want to be the one making a huge purchase and paying gas and all that to drive friends around.
If I wanna 370Z, I want a 370Z. Not 4 door sedans like Altima and Accord, or even Mustang and Camaro for that matter.
If I was rich and want a Ferrari, I'd get a Ferrari, not Mercedes S Class or Porsche Panamera.

On special occasion when you really need to haul people around, you can rent a car or use car share services.

[bing]

It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.

[Gucci Mane]

It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.

lol, that comment reminded me of this video matt farah made..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_slw0W1xc

[Timpo]

It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.

Again, we're humans and we all have brains. I'm sure we can come up with different solution.

Your family is visiting? Tell them to take Skytrain or use public transit. If that's not an option they can always take a cab. I see lots of cabs lined up at Airport.

You wanna go out for dinner with friends? Oh fuck just use 2 cars instead of 1, what's the big deal if you had to do it occasionally. You only hang out with friend who do not own a car? Then just tip in and use a cab. Chances are, your friend might own an SUV or something so you can get on their vehicle.
Either way, it's much cheaper than buying a car.

It's definitely a trade off, but I would be so much happier with Porsche 911, Acura NSX, Ferrari 360 than some 4 door sedan or something with lots of seats just so that you can haul your friends around every once in a while.

What you're telling me is that just because not having extra seats is going to cause you a mild inconvenience, you would rather spend your hard earned money(we're talking about multi thousand $) on a car something you don't even wanna drive.

Seriously, we're all spoiled in this era to the point we can't even put up with mild inconvenience of taking cab or transit so you would give up a car that you wanted and buy a vehicle that makes you a designated driver. Even in BC we have lots of people, families, single mom/dad, students, and all the other people without a car and they're living fine. You only have a 2 seater sportscar? Wow, what a big deal.

[twitchyzero]

why is 4 vs 2 seats even being debated...I'm sure 95% of the owners of 2-seat sports cars has access to another car/truck that can haul more stuff/butts

[bomiheko]

I sometimes regret getting a 4 door sedan because people always ask you for rides. Its so annoying, I wish I got a 2 door coupe which will be my next car. We also have a cheap POS caravan for the very rare occasion of driving relatives around. 90% of the time I drive alone anyways.

[Galactic_Phantom]

^you should also get yourself some new friends/acquaintances..sounds like the ones you have are pretty bunk if they're always asking for rides

[Timpo]

I sometimes regret getting a 4 door sedan because people always ask you for rides. Its so annoying, I wish I got a 2 door coupe which will be my next car. We also have a cheap POS caravan for the very rare occasion of driving relatives around. 90% of the time I drive alone anyways.

Yeah, imagine this scenario.
You met this hot girl at a party and she ask you for a ride. You're thinking "yes!" because it'll be your opportunity to be just you and her for a while and get to know eachother, talk, flirt or whatever.
Now this dude at party comes and "hey man, can I get a ride too?" and you can't really say no because you would look like an ass if you drive a 5 seater sedan, plus your intention will be very clear too.
Whereas if you have a 2 seater sportscar you have a pretty legitimate reason to say no.

[Timpo]

^ this kind scenario happens all the time.

However the following could be the case too;

You met this group of 7 hot chicks at a party and they ask you for a ride. You only have a 2 seater sportscar so you have to tell them you can only drive one of them.
And here's this dude comes and "hey ladies! I got a Cadillac Escalade I can take all of you." So this dude takes all the ladies and you have no ladies.

[twitchyzero]

moral of the story...buy an 8-seater even if you're browsing a thread about 370z

[Timpo]

btw I was using this "picking up ladies" examples because I believe that's what most of you are/might be thinking. Let's face it seriously, who would spend huge chunk of hard earned money just to pick up your family from airport every once in a while? It's called a cab. And to drive your friends around? WTF?

so here's the link for you: Top 10 Chick Magnet Cars & Trucks Under $40,000 - Redline360 (http://www.redline360.com/garage/top-10-chick-magnet-cars-trucks-under-40000)

[GS8]

You guys don't get it....


The key is to have no friends at all. Get a 2 seater, problems solved!



:alone:


-


:okay:

[nsx042003]

ppfft....if "you can't drive your friend everywhere" is stopping you from considering this car, i'd say....get a minivan. it can drive ALL your friends ANYWHERE, taxidriver.

I think this is a great thing, other manufacturers might follow suit, and we win so much

[Timpo]

Yeah even Ferrari owners want to drive their friends around.
That's why Ferrari produced this car.

http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/0/0/5/0/4/9/Ferrari-FF-Novitec-Rosso-Tuning-729x486-caa84711bc905fed.jpg
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XT6A7747-625x416.jpg
http://www.cardotcom.com/photos/cars01/2012-ferrari-ff/12ferrari-ff-76.jpg

[asian_XL]

Ferrari owners can now pick up 3 hookers at a time and a dead body

[v_tec]

moral of the story...buy an 8-seater even if you're browsing a thread about 370z

Why settle for 8 when you can get an E-350 Wagon and be able to tell those bitches you drive around a V8 turbo at the same time.


Ford E-Series / Econoline Wagon.... not Benz :troll:

[bing]

Again, we're humans and we all have brains. I'm sure we can come up with different solution.

Your family is visiting? Tell them to take Skytrain or use public transit. If that's not an option they can always take a cab. I see lots of cabs lined up at Airport.

You wanna go out for dinner with friends? Oh fuck just use 2 cars instead of 1, what's the big deal if you had to do it occasionally. You only hang out with friend who do not own a car? Then just tip in and use a cab. Chances are, your friend might own an SUV or something so you can get on their vehicle.
Either way, it's much cheaper than buying a car.

It's definitely a trade off, but I would be so much happier with Porsche 911, Acura NSX, Ferrari 360 than some 4 door sedan or something with lots of seats just so that you can haul your friends around every once in a while.

What you're telling me is that just because not having extra seats is going to cause you a mild inconvenience, you would rather spend your hard earned money(we're talking about multi thousand $) on a car something you don't even wanna drive.

Seriously, we're all spoiled in this era to the point we can't even put up with mild inconvenience of taking cab or transit so you would give up a car that you wanted and buy a vehicle that makes you a designated driver. Even in BC we have lots of people, families, single mom/dad, students, and all the other people without a car and they're living fine. You only have a 2 seater sportscar? Wow, what a big deal.

I threw out a couple examples but that list is not exhaustive. I don't know about you but I hate arranging, paying for, and taking cabs. I'm not taking transit unless its a necessity or the sky train.

I think you have mistaken the fact that I am miserable driving a car I don't actually want to own - I love my A4 and 330. I drove a Z4 for years and at this age I value comfort more. I also enjoy having company in my vehicle from time to time. Most of my friends own their own homes now and drive luxury cars so nobody is poor and bumming rides all the time. I don't have friends like that.

I guarantee your family dynamic is way different than mine. Transit is out of the equation because their not poor and they value time. They can easily rent cars but it's more like, we don't want them to and offer to loan ours and take them around - it's not like they visit every year and they take us around when we visit. To be honest, it doesn't really factor that much into my purchases but I have come to realize how convenient it makes my life.

By the way, most people that can afford the cars you listed own/have access to 3-4+ other vehicles. Terrible comparison as most people will never own those vehicles.

[v_tec]

If I wanna 370Z, I want a 370Z. Not 4 door sedans like Altima and Accord, or even Mustang and Camaro for that matter.
If I was rich and want a Ferrari, I'd get a Ferrari, not Mercedes S Class or Porsche Panamera.

It's definitely a trade off, but I would be so much happier with Porsche 911, Acura NSX, Ferrari 360 than some 4 door sedan or something with lots of seats just so that you can haul your friends around every once in a while.

Wait. What?? No GTR???! :lawl:

[The_AK]

GT-R already dominates supercar class for its price point...370Z is in different class.

I expected more...

[threezero]

Off topic but those of you that make you visiting family member take the transit are obviously not chinese lol.

Imagine how much face you have lose for your family when you roll around in a nsx and your visiting family member is taking the bus to come meet you for dim sum. Shame on your whole family.

[bing]

Off topic but those of you that make you visiting family member take the transit are obviously not chinese lol.

Imagine how much face you have lose for your family when you roll around in a nsx and your visiting family member is taking the bus to come meet you for dim sum. Shame on your whole family.

all about that face... and saving money.

[Gamed]

Breaking: Subaru BRZ STI Confirmed - YouWheel.com - Car News and Review (http://blogs.youwheel.com/2015/04/20/breaking-subaru-brz-sti-confirmed/)

The Subaru STI concept car shown in the NY auto show is equipped with a turbocharged 2.0L flat-4 engine, producing 345hp.

http://blogs.youwheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Subaru_STI_Performance_Concept.jpg

http://blogs.youwheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Subaru_STI_Performance_Concept_1.jpg

[Gucci Mane]

that thing is ugly and will likely be very over priced

[radioman]

Watching the EVO video on that STI BRZ they said it wont go into production.

[smoothie.]

they confirmed an "sti" version is coming, but with no turbo.

:fuckthatshit:

[ÆonRising]

Just picked up a 2009 370Z Touring with Sport options for $20,500. The last guy who had put a deposit on it couldn't make it, and I came in at the last minute. They even gave me a good deal on a trade-in on my GTi, and the car's running great.

Can't imagine ever needing more performance in a car. Went to see my family in the interior and just locked it in at just under impound speeds in 6th gear and it took every single corner without a hint of losing grip or composure. If I ever need a nicer car it'll just be on Luxury and quiet ride. Upgrading to a Cayman S or 911 at this point would be purely with the intention of permanently losing my license.

[lowside67]

If that's not a rebuilt or with a ton of k, that's a fantastic deal, congratulations!

Mark

[tofu1413]

Just picked up a 2009 370Z Touring with Sport options for $20,500. The last guy who had put a deposit on it couldn't make it, and I came in at the last minute. They even gave me a good deal on a trade-in on my GTi, and the car's running great.

Can't imagine ever needing more performance in a car. Went to see my family in the interior and just locked it in at just under impound speeds in 6th gear and it took every single corner without a hint of losing grip or composure. If I ever need a nicer car it'll just be on Luxury and quiet ride. Upgrading to a Cayman S or 911 at this point would be purely with the intention of permanently losing my license.


excellent cars.

fun fact: nissan R&D used a Cayman S as the target bench mark for the 370Z during its development process.

[Traum]

On the note of picking up a 370Z, I want to bring up an incident that C&D ran into with their track test (lightning lap test) of the 370Z in 2010 since safety is paramount:

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/z-meets-wall-we-investigate-why-the-nismo-zs-brakes-failed-at-lightning-lap)

Coles notes:
- the base Akebono pads suddenly gave up without much warning at the fastest section of the track, and C&D proceeded to crash the car
- Ferodo pads improved things quite a bit, but would still overheat after repeated stops
- ATE Super Blue delayed the fluid overheating by a large margin, but would still overheat and boil
- C&D concluded that Nission likely did not provide adequate brake cooling (for performance use) in attempt to chase fuel economy numbers

moral of the story -- upgrade the brake components if you ever plan on tracking the car

I hope you'll enjoy your Z.

[dared3vil0]

On the note of picking up a 370Z, I want to bring up an incident that C&D ran into with their track test (lightning lap test) of the 370Z in 2010 since safety is paramount:

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/z-meets-wall-we-investigate-why-the-nismo-zs-brakes-failed-at-lightning-lap)

Coles notes:
- the base Akebono pads suddenly gave up without much warning at the fastest section of the track, and C&D proceeded to crash the car
- Ferodo pads improved things quite a bit, but would still overheat after repeated stops
- ATE Super Blue delayed the fluid overheating by a large margin, but would still overheat and boil
- C&D concluded that Nission likely did not provide adequate brake cooling (for performance use) in attempt to chase fuel economy numbers

moral of the story -- upgrade the brake components if you ever plan on tracking the car

I hope you'll enjoy your Z.

I think just about any "cheap" sportscar needs a brake overhaul before tracking it.

[ÆonRising]

I hope you'll enjoy your Z.

Thanks. Trying to get my mid-life crisis out of the way ahead of time. I'm buying a condo a year from now (being built right now), and it's likely marriage and kids won't be far off.

I figure this might be my last chance to be a douchebag for a while. The car even came with 10 free spray tans and a haircut.

I'm hoping the price drop was just because they were aware of the new pricing, but it seems a bit odd that the touring model is $10,000 more than the base. I mean, leather seats and a bose system are nice to have, but seriously?

[vitaminG]

i actually inquired at a dealer a while ago. salesman did some research and concluded that it does NOT come with LSD. he also didnt know what an LSD was at first so take it with a grain of salt

[capt_slo]

Touring model with Sport Pkg in '09 comes with limited slip.

[ÆonRising]

i actually inquired at a dealer a while ago. salesman did some research and concluded that it does NOT come with LSD. he also didnt know what an LSD was at first so take it with a grain of salt

Do you mean you checked at the dealer I bought my car at? Richmond VW? Was confused about this as well, but my limited research indicated that if you have the rev-matching and 19" wheels, then you have the LSD. At least on an '09 touring.

[ÆonRising]

Off topic but those of you that make you visiting family member take the transit are obviously not chinese lol.


Nope. Just bought a condo on the fourth floor, too. It'll probably have a pillar right in the middle of the living room.

I prefer HK Café to Dim Sum, anyway. :hotbaby:

[Limitless]

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but don't all 370z's come with VLSD? My 370z with sports package comes with it, I know that much. Also, took my Z down to the track with aftermarket pads (hawk HPS... would not buy again), dot 4 brake fluid and ss lines and there was no overheating with the brakes at all, although the brakes weren't that great. Just oil overheating really because of the lack of an oil cooler.

Sigh, should have sold my 370z before the price drop lol

[meme405]

All 2014 and earlier Canadian Spec 370z's came with the VLSD.

The US base model did not have the VLSD, now for 2015 they are selling that US base model here in canada, so for the first time in 2015 you are able to get a 370z in Canadian Spec without the VLSD.

You got a hell of a deal assuming the car was in good condition and the mileage wasn't astronomical.

[vitaminG]

Do you mean you checked at the dealer I bought my car at? Richmond VW? Was confused about this as well, but my limited research indicated that if you have the rev-matching and 19" wheels, then you have the LSD. At least on an '09 touring.

nothing to do with your car.

i inquired about the new canadian base 370z for 30k which is the subject of this thread.

[ÆonRising]

My bad. Cheers