[originalhypa]

So, what kind of Benz is it?

http://www.news1130.com/files/2015/04/IMG-20150412-00051.jpg

http://www.news1130.com/files/2015/04/IMG-20150412-00056.jpg

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – A teenager is in intensive care after a high-speed crash in Vancouver early yesterday morning.

Police say a car may have been upwards of 150 km/h on Southwest Marine and 57th Avenue before it slammed into a yard.

Constable Brian Montague says the driver is okay, but the 17-year-old passenger has serious injuries.

“Facial fractures, broken arm, head trauma, brain swelling,” he lists. “And I think they’re concerned about potential damage to one or both of his eyes.”

“Our investigators have obtained evidence to show that he was travelling at least double the speed limit. We’re continuing to work on the investigation to corroborate some other evidence that we have that would suggest that he was travelling in excess of three times the speed limit.”

There’s no word yet on charges against the 18-year-old novice driver.


From the CBC.
Two teens were pulled from their crumpled Mercedes AMG Sunday morning by firefighters after they lost control, went airborne, and crashed into a tree two metres above ground.
The 18 year old driver of the Mercedes is seriously injured but conscious, while the 17-year-old male passenger is in critical condition, said Vancouver Fire and Rescue Acting Battalion Chief Bob Hollier.

“It was apparent that it was airborne when it struck the trees,” Hollier said. “They were taken to hospital. They were conscious at the time of the extraction.”

The speedometer of the Mercedes was stuck at 180 km/h – a sign of how fast the car may have been going along Southwest Marine drive.

The Mercedes crashed into a tree two metres above ground off of Southwest Marine Drive. Police evidence markers showed how while the road curved right at 57th Avenue, the car kept going straight. The car hit a copse of trees to the west of the roadway at around 4:20 in the morning. Pieces of the car could be seen spread out over the roadway. There wasn’t a lot of traffic at the time, and police speculated no one called for help right away.

“Sounds like they may have been there for some time before being discovered,” Vancouver Police Const. Brian Montague said.
On the other side of Kerrisdale, a Ford Mustang flipped at 41st Avenue and Angus Drive at 5:45 am.

The driver and his female passenger weren’t seriously hurt, though the driver can be seen crumpling to the ground after being told something by police.
He was taken away on a stretcher.

Resident Carolyn MacFarlane said she’s seen too many crashes on that stretch of road.
“We tend to see a lot of accidents because people come screaming down 41st,” she said.
She said that includes an SUV carrying 7 high school aged teens that spun out and hit her property in 2005.
“It’s obviously not safe. We have [traffic] rules for a reason,” said MacFarlane.
About 35 people under 21 are killed each year in car crashes in BC. Some 6,900 are injured, and 70 per cent are male. They crash at more than twice the rate of other adults.


FailFish

[capt_slo]

C63 Edition 507

http://www.revscene.net/forums/654752-shitty-dangerous-drivers-thread-488.html

[originalhypa]

Okay, I feel a bit stupid now. But in my defense there were no pics in that thread.

So what is an Edition 507?

http://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/28791/C63_507_09.jpg

Available in saloon and estate versions too, in coupe form as tested the Edition 507 could be considered a Black Series lite, with nearly the same power and pace but lacking the more wild mods such as the 40mm/79mm increase in front/rear track, flared body, fully adjustable coilover suspension and standard limited-slip diff.
All of the more powerful C63s - Performance Pack, DR520, Black and 507 alike - get the SLS-donated engine upgrades, meaning forged pistons and con-rods and a lightweight crank. Losing three kilos from these components not only increases the tuning headroom, it also increases response and means the big V8 revs up faster and more cleanly. So, yes, you want your C63 to have that box ticked, basically.

We got a ticking off for saying the C63 Coupe was like a traditional muscle car last time we tested it but ... it is. OK, it's not built by rednecks and you don't need to wear a stars'n'stripes bandana to drive it. But the influence is clear, even if it's got a somewhat broader operating window. You know, one that includes going round corners as well as blitzing quarter miles.

ugh, such a waste.....

[trollguy]

poor passengers.. always get it the worse.

[jeedee]

:facepalm:

Kids these days still show off by speeding?

:facepalm: :facepalm:

Hope the passenger is recovers quickly...

[Traum]

Teen badly hurt when car crashes in Kerrisdale, sits unnoticed for nearly an hour (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/metro/Teen+badly+hurt+when+crashes+Kerrisdale+sits+unnot iced+nearly/10968307/story.html)

VANCOUVER - A 17-year-old boy is in intensive care after the car that he was riding in crashed into a front yard in Kerrisdale early Sunday morning.

It took nearly an hour after the 3 a.m. collision before anyone noticed the vehicle on the property on SW Marine Drive near 57th Avenue and called for help.

The driver of the vehicle has been treated in hospital and released, but the teenage passenger remains in serious condition with head trauma, broken bones in his face, brain swelling, a broken arm and possible eye damage.

"This kid was just a passenger in the car, but he ended up with very serious injuries," Vancouver police spokesman Const. Brian Montague said in a news release.

"Drivers need to remember that they are responsible not only for themselves, but for their passengers and everyone else on the road."

Police believe the vehicle was speeding at the time of the crash. No charges have been laid and the investigation is ongoing.

So many things I want to say about this, but I will just keep my mouth shut and stick to what has been reported so far. According to a local Chinese newspaper (Ming Pao), the Mercedes was reportedly "airborne" and slammed against some trees. The speedometer has also been shown to remain stuck at almost 180km/h. This is the link from Ming Pao:

撞樹反肚 溫西兩炮彈飛車
司機均年輕 17歲乘客危殆 - Ming Pao Canada Vancouver Chinese Newspaper (http://www.mingpaocanada.com/van/htm/News/20150413/vaa1h_r.htm)

There are pictures in both the Vancouver Sun and Ming Pao link, and they aren't pretty.

[originalhypa]

So true...
The CBC says that the passenger was female and is in critical condition. That is a pair of families who are going through hell right now. But that said, who the fuck is paying for this car?

Give any of us at 18, a 507 hp car that is known for cooking rear tires, and RS would be a much smaller place right now.

RIP to a limited edition. Hope that is all that is lost in this crash.

[ts14]

well i guess ill be the first to say it. they're lucky they aren't dead. they may have crashed at 180 but they were going faster before losing control. i see this almost all the time with young kids driving these new fast ass car. they don't drive them responsibly and at the end of they day, their parents will buy them another M or AMG car.

i remember my first car having 280 ish hp and i wrecked that in two months. the day i tasted 700+hp was the day i learned to drive safe. 17/18 is too damn young for cars like these. they're not mature enough

blame the parents

[320icar]

Parents are 100% to blame. Fucking irresponsible. For fucks sake man. No words to explain how hearing shit like this makes me feel

[tofu1413]

I recognize that 507.....


The kid tailed me.. proceeds to pull up right beside my evo and peels it at the stop light... well over 100km/h hitting north bound from marine all the way to 49th...

maybe its the same kid

[smoothie.]

bmw and merc still amaze me.

you'll live.

[ts14]

I recognize that 507.....


The kid tailed me.. proceeds to pull up right beside my evo and peels it at the stop light... well over 100km/h hitting north bound from marine all the way to 49th...

maybe its the same kid

i had the same thing happen to me. i feel like its the same kid.

[Gucci Mane]

:facepalm:

Kids these days still show off by speeding?

:facepalm: :facepalm:

Hope the passenger is recovers quickly...

kids? i have a cousin who drives like a complete lunatic in his type s TL and he's 28. guy thinks he owns the fucking road or something..

[Gucci Mane]

how many threads do we need about this?

[smoothie.]

i hear all the time "driver never dies"

there are exceptions, but damn, their poor families

[westopher]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.

[Traum]

bmw and merc still amaze me.

you'll live.
I agree. After reading the news report and seeing that pile of scrap metal, it just boggles my mind that these 2 kids are not dead.

how many threads do we need about this?
Was there another thread already? I did a quick check before posting, but I didn't see it.

[Gee.Tee.Ar]

They were not noticed for an hour? I thought the once the airbag deploys, the car automatically sends an SOS to emergency services?

Also, kids shouldn't be driving such powerful cars in the first place. I don't think "the kid was just a passenger" either. Often times it's the passengers that egg the driver on to do such reckless stunts.

[tofu1413]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.

phew. my car is rated at "280ps" from the factory :troll:

On a serious note, anyone behind the wheel of no matter how many horsepowers, two or four wheels is basically driving a death machine in the wrong hands. I think it would call for stricter licensing tests and practices.

[Timpo]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.
That's what they used to think in Japan.

They had 280hp restriction due to saferty concern. Interesting enough, that rule only applied to Japanese domestic vehicles. So American/European car got away with it.

After extensive research, they found out that horsepower had NOTHING to do with accident rate.

Just because you drive a 250hp Silvia or MR2, doesn't mean you are safer than 450hp Maserati or Aston Martin.

[Tone Loc]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.

Didn't that happen a year or so ago? It definitely local, and was also a Mercedes who was ripping it on a bridge and rear ended an older Honda who was doing the speed limit (I believe it was a Del Sol or similar)...

...needless to say, the Honda occupant(s?) died and the Mercedes driver walked away with minor injuries.

Unfortunately there's no stopping things like this, even if the gov't somehow banned the registration of high-powered cars to people without special licensing/GLP requirements, there will still be the problem of 1-2 ton lifted pickups driven by the same demographics (that is, young, male, and stupid) of people who IMO pose an even greater threat.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/1-dead-1-detained-after-deadly-granville-st-bridge-crash-1.1940121)

[originalhypa]

Just because you drive a 250hp Silvia or MR2, doesn't mean you are safer than 450hp Maserati or Aston Martin.

Unfortunately that is true.
I knew a guy who would buy POS hondas back in the day because he knew he was going to crash them at some point in time. I rode with him once, and that was the last time. Weaving through traffic, 110km in a 50 zone, etc. Idiots will crash regardless of what they drive. But buddy in the Civic never killed anyone, because he could never go 180kmh in his cars.

The thing that hp gives the unskilled driver is the ability to move far faster than they should be moving, in a very short amount of time.

[westopher]

Yeah that was the example I was alluding to, without using it directly. The difference is, with the truck argument, a brodozer truck is nowhere near as catastrophic as the impact caused by speed, nor is it as common as the high powered luxury cars. The high school physics is escaping me, but when we are talking about applied force, speed is a greater factor. Also, although many dumb fucks drive those trucks, those few extra seconds that it takes to get to a ridiculous rate of speed is sometimes enough time for the brain to play out a scenario in the persons mind of the consequences.

[westopher]

The thing that hp gives the unskilled driver is the ability to move far faster than they should be moving, in a very short amount of time.
Thats the biggest point in my argument. Shit can go sideways so much faster than the brain can process in these high horsepower cars. Ever ridden in a GTR, or a turbo S or any of these other acceleration monsters? You literally blink and you are going 100. Sneeze and all of a sudden you are going 180. Its fucking insanity.

[tofu1413]

The 507 is no slouch. just has problems putting the power down. that 6.2 is a gem.

[underscore]

Thats the biggest point in my argument. Shit can go sideways so much faster than the brain can process in these high horsepower cars. Ever ridden in a GTR, or a turbo S or any of these other acceleration monsters? You literally blink and you are going 100. Sneeze and all of a sudden you are going 180. Its fucking insanity.

Sneeze in a 500 HP car and the rear end is too far gone for an inexperienced driver to have a hope of saving, sneeze in a 100 HP car and... well nothing really.

[tofu1413]

100hp in a gen I MR2.... that's pretty scary already :lawl:

[Timpo]

Again, horsepower has nothing to do with accident rate. I know for a fact because Japan did an extensive research. Although Canadian driving condition may differ by a little bit, I would expect the result to be the same or similar. Sure, it can get you faster than where it supposed to be, but people who do not have brain receptor to think you should stop right there will speed like maniac no matter what.

You think 300hp restriction on your license might be a good idea?
Think about it again, there are many cars that are 300hp or less that can get you in more trouble than some high end cars;

http://season-report.sk/files/03-2013-campagna-t-rex-16s.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2009/r-z-0-9/2009-Sector111-Lotus-Exige-Side-Angle-1600x1200.jpg
http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/1999-Acura-NSX.jpg
http://www.fantasyjunction.com/img/cars/xlarge/51430.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ginetta/66-Ginetta-G12-num12-DV-11-PH-01.jpg
http://www.hexagonmodernclassics.com/images/cars-for-sale/1_7646-large.jpg
http://fastestlaps.com/photos/ferrari_348tb.jpg

[Genzlinger]

^ +1. Another super car bites the dust...how unfortunate.

[westopher]

Ok, give someone a GT2 and a blind corner at night 2000M away then give someone an Accord and put them in the same circumstances and we will see which ends with more damage. If you can get faster, in a shorter distance, you will crash going faster. Crashing faster means more inertia, which means more energy transfer, which means more damage. Its not rocket surgery. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would argue against stricter license testing, wether it be for people with high powered cars, or just everyone.

[asian_XL]

180km/h on SW Marine? can't we deport these drivers

[Galactic_Phantom]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away.
THIS
Fail away, but thank god they only injured themselves and no one else.
I can't imagine that merc obliterating into someone I care about while these fucks survive. I'd probably try to kill them myself

[originalhypa]

Ever ridden in a GTR, or a turbo S or any of these other acceleration monsters?

My STi was last dyno tested at just under 350whp, and it sits in the garage for about 5 months a year. The first week I take it out every year, I do something that scares the shit out of me.

A couple weeks ago I got some lift oversteer as I forgot we changed the alignment settings before I parked it. Ive spent the last 22 years taking my driving very seriously, so I was able to get it back under control. But we are talking about a car with AWD, and still more grip than many other cars out there. If I was driving my muscle car with 380 lbs at the wheels, I would be in the same boat as this kid.

I love powerful rides, but as you alluded to, they can bite you in the ass very quickly. While I am not a supporter of the government taking rights away, maybe there is something to be said about hp limits for N drivers, or maybe even special training for high hp cars. If you can afford a car with 500+ hp from the factory, you can afford a weekend of driver training in Mission.

The 507 is no slouch. just has problems putting the power down. that 6.2 is a gem.

It has such a great sound to it. The regular C63 is on my short list to replace the STi one day. The 507 would be a dream.

Again, horsepower has nothing to do with accident rate. I know for a fact because Japan did an extensive research

I almost wonder if the culture of Japan would have more to do with the accident rate than hp ratings. First off, there are fewer high hp options in Japan. For every GTR on the road, there are 50 Kei cars. Also, its a very small island full of people. So the options to get up to speed are limited. Unlike the lower mainland, where I can hit 200kmh coming into Chilliwack without seeing another car around. I feel that in Japan the vast majority of people respect authority and those around them. In the lower mainland the only thing people respect is the almighty dollar. I could be wrong, but maybe Im not?

[Raid3n]

Threads in 2 different forums on same topic merged into thread from VAC.

[originalhypa]

You kick much ass, Head Mod Raiden!!
Thank you for the merge.
:)

[originalhypa]

I'd probably try to kill them myself

:eek:

This just happened for realz.

CHARLOTTETOWN — A man in Prince Edward Island has been sentenced to life in prison with no parole eligibility for 35 years for killing two men in slayings that the Crown says were motivated by revenge.

Alfred Guy Vuozzo pleaded guilty to first- and second-degree murder in the shooting deaths of 68-year-old Brent McGuigan and his son, 39-year-old Brendon McGuigan.

The Crown says Vuozzo shot the men execution-style to avenge the death of his sister 45 years ago.

At Vuozzo’s sentencing hearing today in provincial Supreme Court, Crown lawyer John Diamond read an agreed statement of facts describing the motive behind the shootings near Montague on Aug. 20 of last year.

Diamond said the father of Brent McGuigan was the driver of a vehicle involved in a collision that killed Vuozzo’s nine-year-old sister in 1970.

Diamond said the 46-year-old Vuozzo has suffered from depression for years and went to the McGuigan household armed with a handgun to seek revenge for his sister’s death.

Diamond argued Vuozzo should have no parole eligibility for 50 years, while the defence sought 25 years before he could apply for parole.

Alfred Guy Vuozzo killed two men in PEI to avenge 1970 death of his sister, court hears | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/alfred-guy-vuozzo-killed-two-men-in-pei-to-avenge-1970-death-of-his-sister-court-hears)

[freakshow]

Its not rocket surgery.
:lol

[dared3vil0]

180km/h on MARINE drive? Fucking hell...

[sdubfid]

Yeah that was the example I was alluding to, without using it directly. The difference is, with the truck argument, a brodozer truck is nowhere near as catastrophic as the impact caused by speed, nor is it as common as the high powered luxury cars. The high school physics is escaping me, but when we are talking about applied force, speed is a greater factor. Also, although many dumb fucks drive those trucks, those few extra seconds that it takes to get to a ridiculous rate of speed is sometimes enough time for the brain to play out a scenario in the persons mind of the consequences.

I think you are referring to kinetic energy= 0.5MV^2

[Geoc]

Doesn't GM have the teen driver mode in their car? I'm surprised that the German brands don't have this feature. That or reckless speeding teens aren't as big of an issue there.

[Raid3n]

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.

should use something like the Aussie 'P' Plates.

the probationary license prohibits the following vehicles:

If the vehicle is manufactured before 1 January 2010

has an engine with eight cylinders or more, or
has an engine that is turbocharged or supercharged (except those listed in the probationary vehicle database).
has an engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle's performance (other than a modification made by the manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle, or
is a nominated high performance six cylinder engine (refer to the probationary vehicle database).


If the vehicle is manufactured after 1 January 2010

has a power to mass ratio of greater than 130 kilowatts (174hp) per tonne, or
has an engine that has been modified to increase performance (other than a modification made by the manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle)


i think we should have similar restrictions.

[anxiety]

I'm amazed by the safety of these high end cars which are usually german or italian. This one, the people managed to survive despite crashing at 180km/h

Last night, I was reading the Chinese news, one Ferrari 458 and a lambo gallardo were racing in a tunnel in Beijing, they were driving at least 180km/h as well, managed to crash onto the cement wall, both cars were totaled but both drivers were able to walk away without any problem.

Don't know if lucky or the cars are just that damn safe

[EndLeSS8]

Let's be honest guys, the HP/age restriction never works because (in one way or the other) this is a CAR-MODDING forum. People will modify their cars

You guys think ICBC is going to dyno every single car to enforce this?

[trollguy]

turn the aircare rollers into functioning dynos amirite

[twitchyzero]

anyone with a heavy foot can probably get themselves killed in a 120hp corolla..it doesn't take 300hp+
how did the car go airborne? Just checked google maps as I don't recall there being a hill there...I'm thinking they just meant the car flipped.

[Traum]

anyone with a heavy foot can probably get themselves killed in a 120hp corolla..it doesn't take 300hp+
how did the car go airborne? Just checked google maps as I don't recall there being a hill there...I'm thinking they just meant the car flipped.
If the car hit a curb at that kind of speed, it can easily launch into the air.

[BEEB]

It has such a great sound to it. The regular C63 is on my short list to replace the STi one day. The 507 would be a dream.





Don't do it Hypa, the C63 is a boring car. Keep that STi. :badpokerface:

[AAnthony]

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[threezero]

^foe a street bike most accident involve only injuring the rider and maybe his passenger. The chance of killing an innocent on a street bike is slim to non where as with powerful car one can do a lot of dmage before the vehicle comes to a full stop.

Personal safety vs public safety

[a00755836]

i hope this teaches the driver a valuable lesson. the passenger is just as valuable as he is.

[threezero]

^ I am willing to bet that the 17 yr old passenger is his gf? I hope she turns out ok if not what a burden to have for this 18yr kid for this rest of his live

[StylinRed]

I find it amusing how an18 yr old, driving recklessly, and likely killing his passenger, or at best ruining their health for the rest of their life, is referred to as a 'kid' and 'child' by both the media and members on here...yet if the same 'kid' had committed any other crime with the same result for the 17yr old he'd be a 'grown man' and should be put to death

come on ppl! luckily he didn't get any bystanders injured but the asshole is still a stupid asshole 180+ in the rain?

and if he came out uninjured why did it take 1+hr for emergency services? what was he doing during all that time

[threezero]

17 year old kid that kill or does other heinous crime probabaly went through a lot in his life already does he could be consider an adult.

Here is a 17 year old that got given a very expensive toy which he proceed to hurt someone with it. In all sense he is probabably babied from the moment he is born and have no taste any hardship for 17 years. So he is a kid still through and through. Having expensive toys that only an adult should be able to afford does not make him an adult, experience does

[threezero]

17 year old kid that kill or does other heinous crime probabaly went through a lot in his life already does he could be consider an adult.

Here is a 17 year old that got given a very expensive toy which he proceed to hurt someone with it. In all sense he is probabably babied from the moment he is born and have no taste any hardship for 17 years. So he is a kid still through and through. Having expensive toys that only an adult should be able to afford does not make him an adult, experience does

Parents should take the full blame here imo.

[bcrdukes]

I hope the engine is still good.

Looking forward to seeing multicartural do an engine swap into his E36.

[The_AK]

Let's be honest guys, the HP/age restriction never works because (in one way or the other) this is a CAR-MODDING forum. People will modify their cars

You guys think ICBC is going to dyno every single car to enforce this?

Yea right, the extent of the "mods" most of these immature kids is plasti-dipping or vinyl wrapping.

[flagella]

Dumb fking kid and his parents.

[trollguy]

I hope the engine is still good.

Looking forward to seeing multicartural do an engine swap into his E36.

fuck you heartless hipster

:noyoudidnt::noyoudidnt:

[R. Mutt]

I agree with others that the power of a vehicle versus their experience handling such a vehicle is a major contributing factor in circumstance like this.

One thing worth mentioning is driving a vehicle on public road is not a right but a privilege. You are not entitled to drive a car, you have to prove you are both physically and mentally capable of doing so. Vancouver is a very unique space where the ratio of inexperienced drivers with extremely high hp cars is much higher per capita than most places in the world. Add lots of rain to that equation and you have a genuine recipe for disaster.

Solution? Hard to say definitively but if I were in charge I would implement a licensing system similar to Germany. Here are the bullets:


two-stage test, the theory test and road test. Before being allowed to take these tests an eye-exam must have been performed and a first-aid course (usually lasts 8 hours) completed.
test includes questions about the mechanical aspects of an automobile, in addition to the usual examination on the rules of the road.
If a student wishes to be trained in a car with an automatic transmission and takes the road test on such a car, a remark will be added on the license and the holder may not drive cars with a manual transmission. A test taken on a manual transmission car automatically qualifies for driving automatic transmission cars though.
There are limits on how often and in which intervals failed tests can be repeated.
Obligatory lessons include a minimum number of lessons each driving on the Autobahn, outside urban areas, and in the dark.
costs over $2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory


The exuberant cost is certainly a point of contention that I'm not sure I agree with. While it will certainly make people think twice about fucking around, I think that number is way too high for the avg Joe/Jane. Conversely, the affluent can afford throw that kind of money around without concern.

I'd add to that:

Obligatory defensive driving course for Novice drivers
Obligatory advanced vehicle control / collision avoidance course for "higher risk vehicles performance vehicles" a list which is not necessarily defined by hp alone but rather takes weight, performance figures and other such specs into account.


The point is when you've been brought up by mommy and daddy with a sense of entitlement, little to no defensive/evasive driver training, and no sense of fear that lasts only during youth - I think it's safe to say one is more likely to drive a 507 hp car irresponsibly.

You can have all the money in the world but if you have to earn the right to drive, chances are you'll respect that privilege. If you've ever driven on EU motorways you'll appreciate how enjoyable driving can be. Not only are the speeds higher but people are focused, maintain their speed in lane and only move over to overtake.

[ZN6]

I'm amazed by the safety of these high end cars which are usually german or italian. This one, the people managed to survive despite crashing at 180km/h

Last night, I was reading the Chinese news, one Ferrari 458 and a lambo gallardo were racing in a tunnel in Beijing, they were driving at least 180km/h as well, managed to crash onto the cement wall, both cars were totaled but both drivers were able to walk away without any problem.

Don't know if lucky or the cars are just that damn safe

Because Engineering.

Things were designed to crumple or break in certain circumstances during a collision which saves lives. If Benz decided to make this car as rigid as possible without spot to crumple, these guys may have a better fate in a large blender.

Can't remember which hypercar had this but there were bolts or connectors that snapped off designed to break the cockpit away from the rest of the car during an accident.

No, not all luck, but R&D to make sure that lives are spared for the price of metal.

[bcrdukes]

fuck you heartless hipster

:noyoudidnt::noyoudidnt:

Oh, my bad.

RIP (?)

[noclue]

if the girl dies I bet you he will flee to China before getting charged

[The_AK]

if the girl dies I bet you he will flee to China before getting charged

...in a 2016 c63

[Timpo]

Ok, give someone a GT2 and a blind corner at night 2000M away then give someone an Accord and put them in the same circumstances and we will see which ends with more damage. If you can get faster, in a shorter distance, you will crash going faster. Crashing faster means more inertia, which means more energy transfer, which means more damage. Its not rocket surgery. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would argue against stricter license testing, wether it be for people with high powered cars, or just everyone.

oh fuck it's all about the driver

Put those kids in less expensive car, Accord, Mustang, whatever.
Those cars have less skidpad and stability control so they will lose outta control before reaching 180km/h around the corner. They don't have Brembo brakes with Pirelli P Zero.

Why are we even talking about how fast we can reach 180km/h? High end cars nowadays are made to go 300km/h or around there, it's up to the driver to make that decision.

We should give kids minivans or Japanese kei cars for the sake of safety if that's the concern.
Or maybe limit all the cars to 100hp by law, because that's all we need in real life to get the car moving. No need for 600hp V12 or whatever.

However according to Japanese government, limiting horsepower will contribute nothing to the safety.

Try give the kid this car and see if he will start driving safely.
I bet you he will just be driving like a complete moron like he did with the Mercedes. Don't blame on the car.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/honda-accord-coupe-v6-hfp.jpg

[Timpo]

yeah I agree with above post about our licensing regulations.

ICBC(or Canada) does not take driving seriously. At least compare to Japan and Germany.

In Japan for example, you MUST be trained by a qualified instructor from government. They even have their own designated training track with traffic lights, lanes, etc. to simulate real life driving situations.

I know that a lot of Japanese parents get surprised when ICBC tell them "you can just ask your buddy to teach you on the road, as long as he's 25 years old" and that completely blows their mind.

Same as in Germany, although I'm not familiar with the whole process, they do have very tough training as well.

The cost to obtain driver's license in Japan is approx $3,000-$4,000. In Germany, I know it's a thousands of $ also.

They also have complete government vehicle inspection. In Japan and Germany have this "Certificate of Roadworthiness" and that must be obtained periodically. The inspection is typically $2,000-$3,000 depending on the vehicle.

In Canada, you can buy a $500 beater off Craigslist and fix it up with your friends that aren't even mechanic. Quite scary thought for people from other country who have the tough laws.
Also most JDM vehicles that are imported into Canada are vehicles that failed government inspections.

[underscore]

^foe a street bike most accident involve only injuring the rider and maybe his passenger. The chance of killing an innocent on a street bike is slim to non where as with powerful car one can do a lot of dmage before the vehicle comes to a full stop.

Personal safety vs public safety

That's very false, you still have 600+ lbs of metal and meat carrying momentum, not as much as a car but still capable of doing a lot of damage. Hit a pedestrian or t-bone a car at speed and you'll likely kill them (and yes, it does happen).

Solution? Hard to say definitively but if I were in charge I would implement a licensing system similar to Germany. Here are the bullets:

I like the system that I believe the Swedes have, where the practical portion is in multiple parts, several of which are on adverse conditions. If my memory serves there's even a portion where you need to be able to recover from a skid in the wet around a corner.

[CorneringArtist]

I like the system that I believe the Swedes have, where the practical portion is in multiple parts, several of which are on adverse conditions. If my memory serves there's even a portion where you need to be able to recover from a skid in the wet around a corner.

A lot of the Nordic countries have this kind of program. The lessons are very strict, and a part of their youth driver education programs is driving at night in the snow on a private winding road to teach proper car control. Most of the time the cars are older RWD Volvos as well.

Of course to instill a similar program here would catch the ire of enthusiasts and "rights activists" alike...although a stricter program would have stopped idiocy like this and many others and tighter DUI restrictions to stop cases like that woman who was in the news recently for having nineteen DUI's and getting zero jail time. Of course, money talks.

[R. Mutt]

first and foremost, for any licensing system to work they need to make sure people can't be bribed :lol

It would be pretty awesome if they taught proper vehicle control like some of these places you guys mention. I remember watching something on YouTube with - Idris Elba: King of Speed. He ways learning to rally in Finland. I remember all the youths in the town were brought up riding small trail bikes as it helps develop their skill set especially progressing to a rwd vehicle in dirt and snow. It was almost like a right of passage and everyone drives old piece of shit cars and race each other on the weekend around a dirt track....kids around 13 years old and such. Kids with better skills than most adults.

Could you imagine that segment of the test, if we had something similar?
"Scandinavian flick - pass."
"Lift off - pass."
"I had to deduct points on your power oversteer...you need to stay on the throttle longer. Keep practicing." :lol

[ncrx]

no amount of driver training will save you from stupidity

common sense can't be taught

[Rainei]

In my fantasy world, I would implement a driving test where after you complete your standard road test, you would have to set a lap time with a standard car, ie corolla/civic.

If you can reach a certain time, you would have to know how to control a car at the limit, or at least realize that cars have limits.....

[jpark]

dibs on the brakes

[GotRice?]

Doesn't GM have the teen driver mode in their car? I'm surprised that the German brands don't have this feature. That or reckless speeding teens aren't as big of an issue there.

its cause getting a license in europe is way more harder compared to here, their insurance are way more expensive as a teen, so no way they can afford insurance for a AMG C63 at 18 unless going on their parent's insurance... speed cameras are basically everywhere and police actually do their jobs...

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

i got no care in the world for fuck bag drunk drivers and speeders. They can kill themselves instead of bystanders. so many close calls driving home from work. Crazy guy other night appears in my rear view out of nowhere on highway when it was nearly empty few secs earlier flashing hi beams(i am in slow lane) he tailgates, then cuts off car beside me and back in front. i assume he was traveling close to 200 km/h he was gone just like that. Looked like he almost lost control in his corvette or mustang.

Late night weekends I am extra careful. There are so many red light runners, and I am guessing buzzed or drunk. Happened a few times already on 41st/knight. If there's a truck beside me obstructing my view, I am never first to leave off the line if light turns green.

[nsx042003]

hmm...I think a higher level of driving may promote the mentality of "hey, I can still control this at high speed, so therefore i'm better and I can be more reckless."

We as human are fucking retarded. We learn from mistakes. We learn from accidents. We don't learn on "knowing" our abilities. No amount of education can stop these foolish kids from doing what they did.

I just hope, the injured can quickly recover, and the driver learn to stop speeding on the street from now on.

[GLOW]

i dunno guys, hard to picture this happening in a 95 corolla :whistle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhIf1K6YwlE

:troll: :troll: :troll:


but then again you have that 1 video (can't find it now :( ) of that acura EL swerving and crashing in to a knight street meridian

[white rocket]

Horrible stuff. Irresponsible parents for giving a child a car like that. Nothing can be done about that though as it's all about status. Irresponsible driver for going that fast on any public road, let alone Marine Drive.

Better/stricter licensing process needs to happen with ICBC. R.Mutt nailed it with Germany. I've always believed that a proper licensing process would easily reduce accidents. Unfortunately money rules and without rich parents buying high end cars for kids the economy suffers. Kinda kidding but not really.

[Tone Loc]

I agree that driver licensing in BC is too easy.

But you know what is absolutely fucking ridiculous?

Thousands of Richmond drivers could be on the road illegally due to ICBC-RCMP disagreement about Chinese licences (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Thousands+Richmond+drivers+could+road+illegally+IC BC+RCMP/9720159/story.html)

The fact that ICBC allows questionable (read: fake) Chinese drivers licenses to be valid and lets these same people - many of whom DO NOT KNOW how to drive a motor vehicle - register and insure a car under this same fake ass license. Which basically means that there are a ton of people in the Lower Mainland who legitly don't know how to drive and have never been tested for their driving. And to add insult to injury, they have told the Richmond RCMP to essentially stop doing their job and assume all Chinese DL's are authentic, even when Richmond RCMP recognized that it was a big problem and asked ICBC to do something about it.

IMO that is the real problem. Corruption in our system that shows ICBC does not care about driver safety or driver education, only the bottom line. If we forced everybody staying in Canada for more than X amount of months - easy to do if ICBC can access CBSA/Immigration data - they should have to take the Class 5 road test here in order to prove that they can drive. Plain and simple. None of this "equivalency" BS unless the police here can determine the legitimacy of said license.

[Timpo]

I agree that driver licensing in BC is too easy.

But you know what is absolutely fucking ridiculous?

Thousands of Richmond drivers could be on the road illegally due to ICBC-RCMP disagreement about Chinese licences (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Thousands+Richmond+drivers+could+road+illegally+IC BC+RCMP/9720159/story.html)

The fact that ICBC allows questionable (read: fake) Chinese drivers licenses to be valid and lets these same people - many of whom DO NOT KNOW how to drive a motor vehicle - register and insure a car under this same fake ass license. Which basically means that there are a ton of people in the Lower Mainland who legitly don't know how to drive and have never been tested for their driving. And to add insult to injury, they have told the Richmond RCMP to essentially stop doing their job and assume all Chinese DL's are authentic, even when Richmond RCMP recognized that it was a big problem and asked ICBC to do something about it.

IMO that is the real problem. Corruption in our system that shows ICBC does not care about driver safety or driver education, only the bottom line. If we forced everybody staying in Canada for more than X amount of months - easy to do if ICBC can access CBSA/Immigration data - they should have to take the Class 5 road test here in order to prove that they can drive. Plain and simple. None of this "equivalency" BS unless the police here can determine the legitimacy of said license.

So it's a battle between ICBC(Provincial Government) and RCMP(Federal Government) :considered:

[underscore]

If we forced everybody staying in Canada for more than X amount of months - easy to do if ICBC can access CBSA/Immigration data - they should have to take the Class 5 road test here in order to prove that they can drive. Plain and simple. None of this "equivalency" BS unless the police here can determine the legitimacy of said license.

Agreed, I don't really give a fuck if they have a legitimate license where they come from, wherever they learned to drive is still different from Canada. Anyone here for more than X months or anyone wishing to purchase/insure/be listed as the principal operator of a vehicle should have to pass a class 5 road test. At most having a foreign license should allow them to bypass the L/N process and go straight to a class 5 road test but that's it.

[Raid3n]

hmm...I think a higher level of driving may promote the mentality of "hey, I can still control this at high speed, so therefore i'm better and I can be more reckless."

We as human are fucking retarded. We learn from mistakes. We learn from accidents. We don't learn on "knowing" our abilities. No amount of education can stop these foolish kids from doing what they did.

I just hope, the injured can quickly recover, and the driver learn to stop speeding on the street from now on.

this explains that quite well...

http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU

[und3f3at3d]

ICBC is fighting this to the end, they know its wrong and dangerous but because if those china people arent allowed to drive here then ICBC will lose a big chunk of money from their insurance revenue on those mainlander's lambos and ferraris. I agree with everyone else in this thread, where people coming to the lower mainland to stay need to pass the class 5 before anything. The other day in Richmond, I saw some mainlander take a left turn out of a complex and travel into the oncoming lane for at least 10 secs before they knew what was going on.

[sekin67835]

I believe the main reason we cannot have harder licensing tests is because Canada cannot simply rely on other transportation method. We have translink and other public transportation, but they are no way up to the standards of the other countries. This causes a void in which citizens need a way to be able to get to work. Cheapest way so far? By car. Only way we can move onto stricter road tests and such is when we improve our other transportation methods.

[originalhypa]

In all sense he is probabably babied from the moment he is born and have no taste any hardship for 17 years. So he is a kid still through and through. Having expensive toys that only an adult should be able to afford does not make him an adult, experience does

You bring up a good point, and I actually know of a US scenario where the defense based their case on something called, "Affluenza". In other words, the defendant had never been taught right and wrong, nor was he ever disciplined by his parents, so how was he supposed to know not to steal beer, get drunk and high, and kill his friend along with a couple of strangers. He got off, the judge quit, and now the victims families are suing the hell out of the parents. It's a fascinating case.

Ethan Couch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch)

Texas teenager suffering 'affluenza' avoids jail for second time | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/texas-teenager-affluenza-escapes-jail-second-time)

The judge herself had sentenced a young black man for doing the same thing a decade earlier. He only killed one person, but he got a dime in a federal pen. Now that's racist justice up in hurr.


I believe the main reason we cannot have harder licensing tests is because Canada cannot simply rely on other transportation method.

Good point.
BC is not the lower mainland. Spent the weekend in Kelowna and stopped in Merritt for a bit. If you don't have a car up there, you're screwed. And that's only 3.5 hrs outside of the city. The further north or east you go, the tougher it gets.

[asahai69]

why keep bad drivers off the road when you can just raise premiums. Bad drivers = good business for ICBC

[freakshow]

You bring up a good point, and I actually know of a US scenario where the defense based their case on something called, "Affluenza". In other words, the defendant had never been taught right and wrong, nor was he ever disciplined by his parents, so how was he supposed to know not to steal beer, get drunk and high, and kill his friend along with a couple of strangers. He got off, the judge quit, and now the victims families are suing the hell out of the parents. It's a fascinating case.

Ethan Couch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch)

Texas teenager suffering 'affluenza' avoids jail for second time | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/texas-teenager-affluenza-escapes-jail-second-time)Wow.. very interesting case. I always thought that ignorance wasn't a valid defence..

[rriggi]

I had 450hp when I was 18 and no I didn't wrap it around a pole, after that 500hp, and then 700hp etc etc

...Still didn't wrap it around a pole, sure 18 year old's make stupid ass decisions, but its ultimately up to the driver what happens. Blaming the parents for the lack of education is the correct thing to do, not saying that they should have never bought the car for them blah blah. I'm sure this post will get some backlash, but the only reason I'm alive and thought twice about doing 180 in a residential area was from what my father taught me, and about just how quickly things can go wrong and just how quickly it'll kill me.

When you learn with 450HP, RWD, little to no driver aids, you learn to respect the machine.

[nma]

Ok, give someone a GT2 and a blind corner at night 2000M away then give someone an Accord and put them in the same circumstances and we will see which ends with more damage. If you can get faster, in a shorter distance, you will crash going faster. Crashing faster means more inertia, which means more energy transfer, which means more damage. Its not rocket surgery. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would argue against stricter license testing, wether it be for people with high powered cars, or just everyone.

I complete agree. My first car was a civic and I did some dumb shit but I couldn't/didn't go fast enough to not recover. My car now has over double the power and I have much more respect for the road and my vehicle.

[Timpo]

Wow.. very interesting case. I always thought that ignorance wasn't a valid defence..

People with mental disorders do get away with criminal responsibility or jail time depending on the situation.

:A person is not criminally responsible if he has a mental disorder that makes him unable to judge the nature or quality of the criminal act or to understand that the act was wrong at the time it was committed.: (Section 16, Canadian Criminal Code).
When a person suffering from a mental disorder commits an offence - Mental Health A-Z - Douglas Mental Health University Institute (http://www.douglas.qc.ca/info/committing-an-offence)

[underscore]

I believe the main reason we cannot have harder licensing tests is because Canada cannot simply rely on other transportation method. We have translink and other public transportation, but they are no way up to the standards of the other countries. This causes a void in which citizens need a way to be able to get to work. Cheapest way so far? By car. Only way we can move onto stricter road tests and such is when we improve our other transportation methods.

Or maybe that should be more incentive to not be a shit driver. I get that places with stricter licensing laws may have better public transit in some areas, but not all areas will be more viable than in Canada.

[BBMme]

Goodluck to the passenger. She will have a tough road ahead.

[inv4zn]

I think we should clarify:

There were TWO accidents on SW Marine that night.

1: C63, destroyed, 18 y/o male driver, 17 y/o male passenger - both in critical condition.
2: Red Mustang, doesn't look destroyed, asian male driver, asian female passenger. Both aren't hurt as badly.

Stop mixing up the two incidents.

Edit: News video. lol @ reaction of Mustang driver...I wonder what the police told him.
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/speedometer-stuck-at-180-km-h-after-kerrisdale-crashes-1.2323848

[Harvey Specter]

^

Lol @ Ford Mustang been an "expensive" car.

[Amuse]

People need to slow down on SW Marine, especially with all those curves and uneven pavement. I get tailgated all the time. I see the looks of their faces when they pass me and it looks like they're clueless of the speed limits.

[Tone Loc]

I believe the main reason we cannot have harder licensing tests is because Canada cannot simply rely on other transportation method. We have translink and other public transportation, but they are no way up to the standards of the other countries. This causes a void in which citizens need a way to be able to get to work. Cheapest way so far? By car. Only way we can move onto stricter road tests and such is when we improve our other transportation methods.

IMO this should be more of a deterrent to not be a fucking idiot.

Lose your license, can't get a good job, end up working at the Tim Hortons across the street... sounds fair to me. I lost my license for 4 months and it was horrible, it took literally 2x the time to get anywhere and I hated having to bum rides from my friends or my parents all of the time (and paying them for gas too, lol). That was nearly 4 years ago but I still drive like a grandma (or so my dad says). It was a great deterrent for me, why shouldn't it work for anyone else?

[Gucci Mane]

fuck, while i was on my lunch break at work today i saw 3 newer mustangs racing each other down 128st in surrey. they were easily going 100km/h and were at WOT. people are fucked.

[multicartual]

New cars are insanely fast stock, that is part of the problem


People crash and die much less than they did a few decades ago per capita, right?

[sekin67835]

IMO this should be more of a deterrent to not be a fucking idiot.

Lose your license, can't get a good job, end up working at the Tim Hortons across the street... sounds fair to me. I lost my license for 4 months and it was horrible, it took literally 2x the time to get anywhere and I hated having to bum rides from my friends or my parents all of the time (and paying them for gas too, lol). That was nearly 4 years ago but I still drive like a grandma (or so my dad says). It was a great deterrent for me, why shouldn't it work for anyone else?


I agree that suspensions are rightfully enforced. However I think you are missing my point. I'm referring to to new drivers obtaining lthe driver icense. As oringalhypa pointed out, if you live in Kelowna you will have a hard time going anywhere without a car. Perhaps instead of enforcing a really strict driving test for new drivers, they should enforce a strict driving test for those who have consistently received speeding tickets or have shown to be dangerous drivers.

imo it doesn't matter what car you're gonna drive. If you're an idiot you're gonna crash the car and somebody is going to get hurt no matter if it's a civic or a mercedes.

Also, icbc did provide stricter driving tests. back when I was a kid I remember teenagers just needed a knowledge test to start driving.

[Marco911]

Some people here need a lesson in reading comprehension. There is no evidence that the car was travelling at 180 km/h, yet people here repeat it as if it is a fact.

[underscore]

^ regardless, if you end up 2m up a tree I think we can all agree the driver was going way too fast for that road.

As oringalhypa pointed out, if you live in Kelowna you will have a hard time going anywhere without a car.

If you live in a decently central area, not really. If you live in the boonies sure, but not much worse than the boonies anywhere else.

Perhaps instead of enforcing a really strict driving test for new drivers, they should enforce a strict driving test for those who have consistently received speeding tickets or have shown to be dangerous drivers.

The only problem is you're only doing it after the fact. Giving stricter testing to someone only after they've been convicted of driving dangerously doesn't help people like the passenger in that Merc.

[originalhypa]

Wow.. very interesting case. I always thought that ignorance wasn't a valid defence..

I think that this is really the only defense you need.

http://wealthydebates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/gold-aha-156-500x330.jpg


People crash and die much less than they did a few decades ago per capita, right?

According the Wiki in the US, the yanks are dying at a rate of 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people. The worst was in the late 60's with an average of 25/100k. You can see the drop in deaths in 1974 when it went from 25, to 21/100k in a year. Larger bumpers, and much less powerful engines helped to keep people alive. Also, GM introduced the first airbags as an option in the Cadillac line in 1974. These days it's those same airbags combined with crumple zones and seat belts that are keeping people alive. I'm sure medical advancements have helped too.

List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year)

[Timpo]

New cars are insanely fast stock, that is part of the problem


People crash and die much less than they did a few decades ago per capita, right?It's a wonderful thing, you don't need a supercar to achive supercar performance.

Lamborghini Countach LP400
0-60mph: 6.8 seconds
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3457/3903584160_3de2fb131b_o.jpg

Honda Civic Si
0-60mph: 6.5 seconds
http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1407_2014_honda_civic_si_coupe_first_test/68930051/2014-honda-civic-si-coupe-front-three-quarter-in-motion.jpg

Porsche 911 Turbo
0-60mph: 6.1 seconds
http://www.supercars.net/carpics/1575/1975_Porsche_911Turbo30Coup2.jpg

Accord Coupe V6 EXL
0-60mph: 5.6 seconds
http://media.gotraffic.net/images/iHigv536DYas/v10/1200x-1.jpg

Lamborghini Coutach LP400S
0-60mph: 5.9 seconds
http://www.lambocars.com/images/countach/lp400s86.jpg

Mazdaspeed 3
0-60mph: 5.3 seconds
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2013/02/14/16/51/2013_mazda_mazdaspeed3-pic-5162116543432052935.jpeg

Detomaso Pantera GT5
0-60mph: 5.5 seconds
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6002/6019543661_c36604ffa5_b.jpg

Hyundai Genesis 3.8 R-Spec
0-60mph: 5.0 seconds
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-hyundai-genesis-coupe_100475244_l.jpg

Lamborghini Diablo
0-60mph: 4.5 seconds
http://fastestlaps.com/photos/lamborghini_diablo_vt.jpg

Lexus RC-F
0-60mph: 4.3 seconds
http://cdn2.evo.co.uk/sites/evo/files/dean_smith_evo-lexus_rcf-11_0.jpg

[dinfung]

better yet, why not just put a speed limiter on car, I believe the fastest highway we have in Canada is 120km? Why do we allow car to go up to 180+?

[Timpo]

better yet, why not just put a speed limiter on car, I believe the fastest highway we have in Canada is 120km? Why do we allow car to go up to 180+?

Because it's legal to sell a car that can achieve 300+km/h.

You can sell it, as long as it's sold under different premise. The premise is to be driven 50km/h in the city and 80-120km/h on the highway. Just because the product you sold is capable of doing something other than what it was intended, that doesn't mean you can't sell it.

eg. You are allowed to buy/sell knife, but you aren't allowed to stab people. You are allowed to buy/sell lethal substances (there's lots in spray can, auto care products, etc) but you aren't allowed to feed it to somebody.

[rriggi]

A new Honda is not anywhere near as dangerous as a 930 Turbo even if the 0-60 is less...

Those are all older cars with nearly nothing for drivers aids.

better yet, why not just put a speed limiter on car, I believe the fastest highway we have in Canada is 120km? Why do we allow car to go up to 180+?

Just go away please......

[Timpo]

A new Honda is not anywhere near as dangerous as a 930 Turbo even if the 0-60 is less...


That's what Jeremy Clarkson said. He said how dangerous it was to drive a Countach, 512 Boxer and Pantera back in the day. Constant wheel spin, abrupt acceleration, poor brake performance, heavy clutch, heavy steering, bad ergonomics, blind spots and loud exhaust and vibrations.
He was commenting how modern supercars are so driver friendly, you can go grocery shopping with Aventador or LaFerrari.

[threezero]

Little to no driver AIDS also means one is more reluctant to push the car beyond one's skill.

Electronic aids give the driver an boost of confidence and "driving skill". A lot of time improper car handling technique is completely mask and saved by driving AIDS and the driver has no idea. This built improper driving technique with dependence on computer. Most think this means the car is safe in reality it just built bad technique and false sense of safety.

When computer does mess up this leave a super powerful car in complete control on someone with bad car handling habits and zero idea how to control the powerful car at its limit with no AIDS. All it take is a split second and look what happened

[Vtec4life]

Nowadays, the C63 coupe is very popular among the Chinese young community. Why? Because they "think" it is an "easy" super car. 500hp automatic , lots of driving aids and rwd.
Whenever i see a C63 on the road, it is either a stupid chinese kid in his early 20s that looks and acts like a douche or an innocent chinese girl that did not know what the hell she is doing. Next time i see them on the road, i will try my best to make them crash "without hurting others of course".
Btw, i have seen a young beijing girl driving a 2015 GTR and does not know how to reverse without burning the clutch. U can definitely burn a DCT clutch if you dont know how to drive it.
What i am trying to express is simple. People from China cant drive for shit no matter what kind of car you drive. You guys born as a peasant, you die as a peasant. This logic will never change.
PS: i am a honger with a slow ass 300 hp shitbox.

[teggy604]

I am interested in what the police officer said to the kid driving the mustang?

[Timpo]

Little to no driver AIDS also means one is more reluctant to push the car beyond one's skill.

Electronic aids give the driver an boost of confidence and "driving skill". A lot of time improper car handling technique is completely mask and saved by driving AIDS and the driver has no idea. This built improper driving technique with dependence on computer. Most think this means the car is safe in reality it just built bad technique and false sense of safety.

When computer does mess up this leave a super powerful car in complete control on someone with bad car handling habits and zero idea how to control the powerful car at its limit with no AIDS. All it take is a split second and look what happened

I actually have nothing against electronic aids.

That's just a safety feature, or performance feature of the car depending on how you want to consider it.

Think of it as a brembo brakes, ohlins suspension, Advan tires, etc.
If you have been driving a car with top of line equipments (even if there's no electronic aids), try driving an absolute beater. Brakes metal to metal, bald tires, horrible alignment, engine and everything out of adjustments, etc.
I had a chance to drive a complete beater and holy shit I felt like I was a bad/dangerous driver.

What you're saying is, brembo brakes and pirelli P zero tires will give you false sense of your driving skills because good suspension/brakes/tires setting will give you much lower braking distance, skidpad, etc.

[Traum]

Damn... after reading your post, the very first conclusion that I came to is, I need to meet some of these Mainland Chinese girls... to show them how to drive these super cars safely, among other things... :troll:

Nowadays, the C63 coupe is very popular among the Chinese young community. Why? Because they "think" it is an "easy" super car. 500hp automatic , lots of driving aids and rwd.
Whenever i see a C63 on the road, it is either a stupid chinese kid in his early 20s that looks and acts like a douche or an innocent chinese girl that did not know what the hell she is doing. Next time i see them on the road, i will try my best to make them crash "without hurting others of course".
Btw, i have seen a young beijing girl driving a 2015 GTR and does not know how to reverse without burning the clutch. U can definitely burn a DCT clutch if you dont know how to drive it.
What i am trying to express is simple. People from China cant drive for shit no matter what kind of car you drive. You guys born as a peasant, you die as a peasant. This logic will never change.
PS: i am a honger with a slow ass 300 hp shitbox.

[Timpo]

Nowadays, the C63 coupe is very popular among the Chinese young community. Why? Because they "think" it is an "easy" super car. 500hp automatic , lots of driving aids and rwd.
Whenever i see a C63 on the road, it is either a stupid chinese kid in his early 20s that looks and acts like a douche or an innocent chinese girl that did not know what the hell she is doing. Next time i see them on the road, i will try my best to make them crash "without hurting others of course".
Btw, i have seen a young beijing girl driving a 2015 GTR and does not know how to reverse without burning the clutch. U can definitely burn a DCT clutch if you dont know how to drive it.
What i am trying to express is simple. People from China cant drive for shit no matter what kind of car you drive. You guys born as a peasant, you die as a peasant. This logic will never change.
PS: i am a honger with a slow ass 300 hp shitbox.

I agree that driver licensing in BC is too easy.

But you know what is absolutely fucking ridiculous?

Thousands of Richmond drivers could be on the road illegally due to ICBC-RCMP disagreement about Chinese licences (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Thousands+Richmond+drivers+could+road+illegally+IC BC+RCMP/9720159/story.html)

The fact that ICBC allows questionable (read: fake) Chinese drivers licenses to be valid and lets these same people - many of whom DO NOT KNOW how to drive a motor vehicle - register and insure a car under this same fake ass license. Which basically means that there are a ton of people in the Lower Mainland who legitly don't know how to drive and have never been tested for their driving. And to add insult to injury, they have told the Richmond RCMP to essentially stop doing their job and assume all Chinese DL's are authentic, even when Richmond RCMP recognized that it was a big problem and asked ICBC to do something about it.

IMO that is the real problem. Corruption in our system that shows ICBC does not care about driver safety or driver education, only the bottom line. If we forced everybody staying in Canada for more than X amount of months - easy to do if ICBC can access CBSA/Immigration data - they should have to take the Class 5 road test here in order to prove that they can drive. Plain and simple. None of this "equivalency" BS unless the police here can determine the legitimacy of said license.

I think we should clarify:

There were TWO accidents on SW Marine that night.

1: C63, destroyed, 18 y/o male driver, 17 y/o male passenger - both in critical condition.
2: Red Mustang, doesn't look destroyed, asian male driver, asian female passenger. Both aren't hurt as badly.

Stop mixing up the two incidents.

Edit: News video. lol @ reaction of Mustang driver...I wonder what the police told him.
Speedometer stuck at 180 km/h after Kerrisdale crashes | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/speedometer-stuck-at-180-km-h-after-kerrisdale-crashes-1.2323848)

Damn... after reading your post, the very first conclusion that I came to is, I need to meet some of these Mainland Chinese girls... to show them how to drive these super cars safely, among other things... :troll:


I'm sorry no offence intended to anyone but after reading this thread it seems like Asian people, particularly Chinese people are causing quite a bit of road hazard in BC :fulloffuck:

[smoothie.]

I'm sorry no offence intended to anyone but after reading this thread it seems like Asian people, particularly Chinese people are causing quite a bit of road hazard in BC :fulloffuck:

its not offensive.

increased asian drivers, more accidents in which drivers are asian.

its all relative.

[Vtec4life]

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.

[nsx042003]

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???


People in China never had Playstations and Gran turismo LOL Only until recently did they allow the sales of these consoles in store.

[threezero]

I actually have nothing against electronic aids.

That's just a safety feature, or performance feature of the car depending on how you want to consider it.

Think of it as a brembo brakes, ohlins suspension, Advan tires, etc.
If you have been driving a car with top of line equipments (even if there's no electronic aids), try driving an absolute beater. Brakes metal to metal, bald tires, horrible alignment, engine and everything out of adjustments, etc.
I had a chance to drive a complete beater and holy shit I felt like I was a bad/dangerous driver.

What you're saying is, brembo brakes and pirelli P zero tires will give you false sense of your driving skills because good suspension/brakes/tires setting will give you much lower braking distance, skidpad, etc.

That's not what I mean I am all for driver aids. But I'm a supporter of progressing one's driving skill one step at a time. All modern cars nowadays comes with driving aid of some sort. And all driver aid will at one time or anther fail or misinterprete the situation leaving only the driver in complete control even if it's just a split second. I bet you 90%of ppl here have skid out or when out of control when they are young in their hand me down Honda corrollas or what have you. They hit a curb and learn that drivers aid is not invincible and these you respect the car and your limitation as a driver. As time pass one acquires better and better car and the skill you have acquire mean you utilize the driver AIDS as an assitant rather than dependence.

WIth the kid's c63 it's like learning to fly before he knows how to walk. Without previous skills and experiences making mistake with other not so powerful car the kid is essentially on autopilot relying completely on driver AIDS without even knowing it. Talk about inflated ego and bad driving technique. If the same kid is giving a 509hp car with no driver assit he probably would of spun out at less than 30km/hr.

I still think that without learning how to drive properly first on something with little to no driver aid, Constantly pushing a fully compter aided car is just developing bad habit. I'm talking about pushing the car not puttering around from point a to point b. You know why you feel so dangerous and not in control when driving a car with no drivers aid? It's probabably becuase you do suck when there is no computer involve. Don't blame it on the car itself bad alignment fuck up brakes etc is dangerous for ANY car

[Tone Loc]

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.

Lol get out of here with all of this "Asian racism" bullshit about how Taiwanese and HKers are somehow better than Mainlanders... there are shitty drivers in every race. Though I do agree with you that some 20-year-old kid with an N sign in supercar cheapens the value of it a little (can't imagine how lawyers, corporate executives, CEOs etc. who have worked hard all their lives feel to be driving the same car as some 18 y/o son/daughter of corrupt Asia money), you're an idiot if you are somehow suggesting you are "better" than Mainlanders. I never get this HK attitude of being better than other Asians just because you were colonized by the Brits for an extra 100 years...

... as far as I am concerned, I couldn't care what country these bad drivers are from.. I just want it to be made much more difficult for these people to get a license in Canada.

[threezero]

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.

Way to judge the entire population by the behaviour of 1% of them. All the so call mainlander you see here are probabaly Rich and have no direct driving experience beside their supercar they got when they landed here. Go to China, most of the ppl their drive shitty cars day in and day out in mess up traffic. Imo these rich kids are just behaving like how all rich spoil kids. Nothing to do with nationality.

[Gucci Mane]

better yet, why not just put a speed limiter on car, I believe the fastest highway we have in Canada is 120km? Why do we allow car to go up to 180+?

no the best thing would be what ford has with their cars, the mykey system. i've got it in my truck and i can program one key to have different settings in the truck once its started. volume can be limited, speed limited as well, traction control/stability control cant be turned off. keep that active for kids when they go out and when they can prove that they're not little shit heads, just change everything.

[Gucci Mane]

I'm sorry no offence intended to anyone but after reading this thread it seems like Asian people, particularly Chinese people are causing quite a bit of road hazard in BC :fulloffuck:

the asians are creating road hazards, the browns are doing all the shootings and the white people are cashing out from their high property values in vancouver and moving out to langley and laughing at all of us. lol.


:troll:

[multicartual]

A new Honda is not anywhere near as dangerous as a 930 Turbo even if the 0-60 is less...

Those are all older cars with nearly nothing for drivers aids.



Just go away please......



Actually, YOU should go away.


I grew up driving on 0 driver nannies and, as a result, I have never crashed a car.


I've had many, MANY very high-powered cars that a fucking asian kid would have died in the first day on.


In fact, my Supra on low boost, (520 rwhp) was crashed by a goddamn chinese friend of mine after lending it to him. He crashed it in 4 hours after lending it to him.


Learning in a death trap is the best way to go. It teaches you, or you die.

[iamed]

Actually, YOU should go away.


I grew up driving on 0 driver nannies and, as a result, I have never crashed a car.


I've had many, MANY very high-powered cars that a fucking asian kid would have died in the first day on.


In fact, my Supra on low boost, (520 rwhp) was crashed by a goddamn chinese friend of mine after lending it to him. He crashed it in 4 hours after lending it to him.


Learning in a death trap is the best way to go. It teaches you, or you die.

Surprised that all those years of owning and driving all those high powered cars you haven't learnt the first and most important lesson..

You never lend it to a friend, regardless of sex or ethnicity.

[multicartual]

Surprised that all those years of owning and driving all those high powered cars you haven't learnt the first and most important lesson..

You never lend it to a friend, regardless of sex or ethnicity.


Bro... he was my best friend from high school. I trusted him. This was like 2005 though, so yes, I have learned a LOT since then.

[underscore]

The problem with driver aides is that people who always drive with them have no idea how to deal with them failing, and a lot of these aides do not have good failure methods (think of blind spot indicators).

keep that active for kids when they go out and when they can prove that they're not little shit heads, just change everything.

The problem is that would require someone to be a good parent, something that the kind of idiot who gives an 18 year old a brand new limited edition Merc generally isn't.

[LP700-4]

I am interested in what the police officer said to the kid driving the mustang?

:accepted:


Guy: Are you going to tell my parents?
Cop: Yes
Guy: :cry:

[nsx042003]

Way to judge the entire population by the behaviour of 1% of them. All the so call mainlander you see here are probabaly Rich and have no direct driving experience beside their supercar they got when they landed here. Go to China, most of the ppl their drive shitty cars day in and day out in mess up traffic. Imo these rich kids are just behaving like how all rich spoil kids. Nothing to do with nationality.

Spot on, spoiled fucks will always be spoiled fucks regardless of race.

I don't know if this is a well known fact or not, but people who are here from China are mostly quite well off. The amount of money needed in their bank account need to be quite a bit before they are granted a visa. Normal/middle class people won't be able to come here much. Which is why there are so many rich spoiled brats here that don't give 2 fucks.

So any update on the injuries?

[Timpo]

That's not what I mean I am all for driver aids. But I'm a supporter of progressing one's driving skill one step at a time. All modern cars nowadays comes with driving aid of some sort. And all driver aid will at one time or anther fail or misinterprete the situation leaving only the driver in complete control even if it's just a split second. I bet you 90%of ppl here have skid out or when out of control when they are young in their hand me down Honda corrollas or what have you. They hit a curb and learn that drivers aid is not invincible and these you respect the car and your limitation as a driver. As time pass one acquires better and better car and the skill you have acquire mean you utilize the driver AIDS as an assitant rather than dependence.

WIth the kid's c63 it's like learning to fly before he knows how to walk. Without previous skills and experiences making mistake with other not so powerful car the kid is essentially on autopilot relying completely on driver AIDS without even knowing it. Talk about inflated ego and bad driving technique. If the same kid is giving a 509hp car with no driver assit he probably would of spun out at less than 30km/hr.

I still think that without learning how to drive properly first on something with little to no driver aid, Constantly pushing a fully compter aided car is just developing bad habit. I'm talking about pushing the car not puttering around from point a to point b. You know why you feel so dangerous and not in control when driving a car with no drivers aid? It's probabably becuase you do suck when there is no computer involve. Don't blame it on the car itself bad alignment fuck up brakes etc is dangerous for ANY car
You still don't get it.

Electronic aids nowadays are so advanced, they calculate everything in matter of 1/100 second, it's way beyond human's capability.

You might think banning electronic aids and high performance equipments will make roads safer, because it'll hypotherically teach idiots a lesson, but in reality, electronic devices are saving lives.

Look, accident rates decline every year, despite the numbers of cars on the road are increasing ever year.
Cars are safer than ever, whether you like it or not, high tech cars will cover idiots' asses.
Anti collision system, stability control, ABS, traction control, auto blind spot check, they're all contributing factors to less accident rates.
https://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/roadsafety/TrafficCollisionStatisitcs_2011.pdf

[threezero]

I did not say to banning electronic aid. I was merely saying how getting a super car that completely control by computer aid is a bad idea for a completely NEW driver. Look at pilots they do not start out flying fully computerize Boeing commercial planes. They start out on little single engine Cessna with little to no computer AIDS. This is to prepare them for the very very slim chance that one day their commercial planes with all the electronic AIDS fail.

[Timpo]

I did not say to banning electronic aid. I was merely saying how getting a super car that completely control by computer aid is a bad idea for a completely NEW driver. Look at pilots they do not start out flying fully computerize Boeing commercial planes. They start out on little single engine Cessna with little to no computer AIDS. This is to prepare them for the very very slim chance that one day their commercial planes with all the electronic AIDS fail.

Actually, no.

Yes they do typically start with Cessna, Piper or Diamond Katana to start with, but it is not to train with no electronic aid aircraft.
If you can afford to rent a state of the art glass cockpit aircraft to start with(assuming it's a single engine and under 12,500 lbs I believe), they will let you. Although you would have to do the spin and spiral recovery by yourself.

The biggest reason Cessnas do not have electronic aid is that it is going to cost them millions of $ to get approved by ICAO, FAA and Transport Canada if they were to introduce one thing for aircraft or engine. For example, fuel injection, new sensors, ECU, etc.

That's why Lycoming engine has not evolved since 1960s or so. They're pretty much like lawnmower engine.

You can get a state of the art engine like cars, however the aircraft must be labelled as "experimental" which would not qualify for training.

[threezero]

Actually, no.

Yes they do typically start with Cessna, Piper or Diamond Katana to start with, but it is not to train with no electronic aid aircraft.
If you can afford to rent a state of the art glass cockpit aircraft to start with(assuming it's a single engine and under 12,500 lbs I believe), they will let you. Although you would have to do the spin and spiral recovery by yourself.

The biggest reason Cessnas do not have electronic aid is that it is going to cost them millions of $ to get approved by ICAO, FAA and Transport Canada if they were to introduce one thing for aircraft or engine. For example, fuel injection, new sensors, ECU, etc.

That's why Lycoming engine has not evolved since 1960s or so. They're pretty much like lawnmower engine.

You can get a state of the art engine like cars, however the aircraft must be labelled as "experimental" which would not qualify for training.

Thanks for the info. You are right and sorry I know nothing about airplanes I was just trying to make an analogy. You can not possible think it's safe for a new young driver to have a 500hp car just becuase it has computer AIDS. That was my point

[Timpo]

Thanks for the info. You are right and sorry I know nothing about airplanes I was just trying to make an analogy. You can not possible think it's safe for a new young driver to have a 500hp car just becuase it has computer AIDS. That was my point
Maybe Canada should allow Japanese kei cars so that you can only go so fast.
Canadian government thinks scooters are safe enough to be ridden on the road, but not kei cars.

Nissan Dayz Roox
0.66L DOHC Inline-3 Turbo
64hp, 72lb-ft
http://iwiz-autos.c.yimg.jp/c/autos/ucar/cars/368/101/UJ0012368101/UJ0012368101_001.jpg

Suzuki Alto Turbo RS
0.66L DOHC Inline-3 Turbo
64hp, 72lb-ft
http://img.response.jp/imgs/thumb_h/868348.jpg

Honda S660
0.66L DOHC Inline-3 Turbo
64hp, 77 lb-ft
http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/s660/special/theme01/images/gallery/lb/1.jpg

[Timpo]

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.

Yeah in Japan, they take driving very seriously.

You must go to driving school and they have this designated practice track. They won't just take you on the road until you pass all the skills test.
Before you are even allowed to practice on the road, you must prove your examiner that you can do parallel parking, stop & go safely, watch for hazards, how to change lane safely, have full control of the vehicle and all that stuff. After taking driving theory course and passing written test, you can finally go on the road with your instructor.

http://is-menkyo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9.jpg
http://miyagoas.com/images/mainImgBlock_img1.jpg
http://www.keishin-g.com/teine/cmn/img/cmn_headImg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/S-curve_in_Driver's_License_Center.jpg
http://www.lawson-drive.jp/allcmn/sch/04221/im/ph-t02.jpg
http://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2013/02/NG8WJ2ilc78KHCe_0.jpeg

[multicartual]

Someone has had to try and drift that

[ncrx]

the biggest different between the general population of japanese youth and north american youth is they know respect

[Traum]

the biggest different between the general population of japanese youth and north american youth is they know respect
I would say that is both a blessing and a curse though. For the Japanese kids, when they are bounded by so many unspoken rules and traditions, it kind of puts a lid to the limits of their imagination. On the other hand, with the American style of freedom, you end up with people that don't know respect...

But when it comes to spoiled brats, it doesn't matter what the cultural norm or pros and cons are. They are still gonna turn out to be unruly brats.

[asian_XL]

when they are bounded by so many unspoken rules and traditions, it kind of puts a lid to the limits of their imagination.

<insert> weird japanese octopus porn img </insert>

Timpo, driving schools are all over Asia, not just Japan. Getting a driver's license in Hong Kong is pretty difficult too.

[Timpo]

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Timpo, driving schools are all over Asia, not just Japan. Getting a driver's license in Hong Kong is pretty difficult too.
I never said it's easy to get a license in Hong Kong.

My point is, in overseas, it's typical to see people spending $3,000-$4,000 to get a drivers license due to extensive training and higher standards.

Parents from overseas get their mind blown because ICBC tells their kids that they can basically go out on the road where other traffic and pedestrians are, with their buddies or friend's older brother as long as he/she is 25 years old without even having a qualified instructor monitoring them.

Now ICBC, Police, general public complain about how kids don't know how to drive properly and causing hazards on the road. It makes foreigners wonder why. I'm sure you would agree that if German or Japanese license standard ever come to BC, half of people would not be driving on the road. Although there are idiots in every country on the road, I'm sure there are some accidents that have been prevented with proper training.
When you see people at Yaohan trying to back up and move forward 15 times until they can park properly, you know there's no way that person should have passed the driving test.

ICBC's license renewal is nothing but a joke and cash grab.
As you may know, in other countries, they will re-examine your hearing, eye sight, driving capabilities. Whereas here in BC, ICBC will take your $75 and send you a new license and absolutely no examination or refreshing required.

And fuck that "speed kills" phrase in Canada. People in Germany are going at least 130+km very safely. So speed itself isn't an issue there.

[Gumby]

Has there been another thread where Timpo has made so much sense? :troll:

[pastarocket]

OMG, Timpo is getting more thanks than fails on this thread. :troll:

Seriously, Timpo does make some strong points on BC's driver licensing requirements vs. the driving licensing requirements in Asian countries. :bigthumb:

[underscore]

And fuck that "speed kills" phrase in Canada. People in Germany are going at least 130+km very safely. So speed itself isn't an issue there.

When Germans have an accident on the autobahns though, it's BIG. A few years back there was a 100+ car accident because it rained FailFish

[teggy604]

any updates? passenger still alive? life support?

[jaretron]

Timpo has been the king of trolls for years, lol at those just figuring it out.

[freakshow]

Timpo forgot to log into his other account before posting

[MeowMeow]

any updates? passenger still alive? life support?

This is just what my student who knows the driver told me:

Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU
passenger is still unconscious but driver is fine.
the two met at a party on the day of the crash. He was driving the passenger home. Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash (im assuming after they were rescued)

Tsk tsk....

[Gumby]

Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU
Hey I got into UBC and only got a GS-R! :troll:

Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash (im assuming after they were rescued)
:nono:

[E-SPEC]

HOLY SHIT! I was in the hospital at the exact same time as this kid was for a minor leg injury, i was next to his friends that were there for him. In the short time i was, some nurse had come out and said to his friends something like "we are trying to get in touch with Social Services and also saying the guy is stating he is very adamant that he DOES NOT want his parents to know about this at all! " she also stated that he was on life support. Me and the guy beside me were like "wtf man??" that is the weirdest thing ever. He is in there about to possibly die and doesn't want his parents to know? But ya thats what happened. I asked his friend what happened and he didn't want to say.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash

Hah, the guy must be so proud of himself. Probably didn't learn anything from all this. I hope he kills himself with his next car without hurtin anyone else

[GLOW]

HOLY SHIT! I was in the hospital at the exact same time as this kid was for a minor leg injury, i was next to his friends that were there for him. In the short time i was, some nurse had come out and said to his friends something like "we are trying to get in touch with Social Services and also saying the guy is stating he is very adamant that he DOES NOT want his parents to know about this at all! " she also stated that he was on life support. Me and the guy beside me were like "wtf man??" that is the weirdest thing ever. He is in there about to possibly die and doesn't want his parents to know? But ya thats what happened. I asked his friend what happened and he didn't want to say.

<asianmeme.gif> <--more scared of parents than death.

[Tr1ll]

Unrelated incident but since we're on the topic..

Richmond residents drive new cars off end of Clover Point in Victoria - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1945106/richmond-residents-drive-new-cars-off-end-of-clover-point-in-victoria/)

[Tone Loc]

Gotta love it.

His passenger almost died, and buddy guy's biggest concern is not letting mommy and daddy find out he crashed their car.

Can't believe all I got was a Citizen watch when this idiot gets a C63... jk.

Semi serious.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Unrelated incident but since we're on the topic..

Richmond residents drive new cars off end of Clover Point in Victoria - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1945106/richmond-residents-drive-new-cars-off-end-of-clover-point-in-victoria/)
Son-in-law charged in deadly Richmond fire | News1130 (http://m.news1130.com/2015/04/17/son-in-law-charged-in-deadly-richmond-fire/)

In other news, 66 and 13 year old dies from psycho family member/arsonist
This world is not fair, innocent people dying while Darwin award contestants get a second chance in life.

[Timpo]

We see so many news articles around in BC how Chinese kids are acting dumb on the road.

But let's think about it.

Are Chinese kids particularly lacking common sense and respect causing problem on the road? Or is it a given opportunity and wealth causing the problem.

Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati,..those V10 and V12 engines sound amazing and so much fun to go fast on the road.
No, I'm not talking about legality here, I am asking, will typical teenage boys have fun driving 458 and Gallardo on the road?

Any teenage boys would be thrilled to hear that sound and feel the acceleration.

If you give those exotic cars to someone other than Chinese kids, for example white teenage boys, do you really think they are going to be driving like a granny and be respectful to the public? Or will they be revving the engine and see what the car can do on the road.

Not just Chinese kids. Nick Hogan, Justin Bieber, any young boys would enjoy going fast on the road. If you're on Revscene, you are a car enthusiast at certain degree and probably dreamed about having a Ferrari or Lamborghini at some point in your life so you would understand how young kids can't resist the power and thrill of driving exotic cars.

Sure we're all human and we need to think before we act, but that's not until you turn 30 or maybe late 20s where you have seen lots of dumb things people have done and have had close call yourself.

Young people, especially teenagers have this sense of invincibility, they can go fast on the road because they know they will never kill themselves or anyone else, they can drink and drive because they know they won't get caught or crash, they can smoke cigarettes or weed because they know that they will never get cancer, etc.

This famous article made Chinese kids in BC look bad, general public think that Chinese kids don't know how respect the road. But let's pick 13 typical high school and college student (all white guys), all under age of 21, do you think they are going to be driving slow and safe on the road? Or will it be just a matter of time til they get impounded? Young age, some of the fastest cars in the world, combined with ICBC's easy driver licensing requirements, see what's gonna happen.
13 young drivers caught racing luxury cars | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/13-young-drivers-caught-racing-luxury-cars-1.691489)

[Timpo]

Timpo has been the king of trolls for years, lol at those just figuring it out.what are you talking about I'm not a troll:

:ohgodwhy:

[E-SPEC]

No but you must be gay for having JB in your avy though, how does a man show off a pic of Bieber? Am i out of line?

[pengu]

A lot of Asians in general don't seem to know how to drive though. (I've met asians who know how to drive through the mcy community) but when it comes to cars a lot of asians seem to be clueless and/or blind. I almost got plowed off the road by some Asian guy with his head pressed up against the windscreen, changing lanes while seemingly oblivious that a motorcycle was kind of right next to him. Lack of driving culture I guess, culture shock I guess, maybe need more integration time or a requirement to speak fluent English.

[dovo]

A lot of Asians in general don't seem to know how to drive though. (I've met asians who know how to drive through the mcy community) but when it comes to cars a lot of asians seem to be clueless and/or blind. I almost got plowed off the road by some Asian guy with his head pressed up against the windscreen, changing lanes while seemingly oblivious that a motorcycle was kind of right next to him. Lack of driving culture I guess, culture shock I guess, maybe need more integration time or a requirement to speak fluent English.

new acct troll lol i bet you are asian :spamarama:

[multicartual]

It is true.

A lot of asians are bad drivers. Whenever you encounter some absolutely retarded, stunningly bad driving it is almost always an asian behind the wheel.

Just like how it is true that a lot of white guys are crack heads. I walk by the shelter on my way to get an $8 coffee and 3 doobies for $10 on the daily and it is all busted ass ghoul white guys waiting for a free soup.

[Timpo]

Meh, some Asians are capable of becoming an F1 Racer

Takuma Sato
http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/si/dam/assets/13/05/24/130524161121-takuma-sato-single-image-cut.jpg

Kamui Kobayashi
http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kobayashi-1416295540.jpg

Ma Quing Hua
http://autonews.gasgoo.com/resource/autonews/images/2012/7/201272319445.jpg

Satoru Nakajima
https://contosdaf1.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/australianaka1989c.jpg

Aguri Suzuki
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/003/619/472/hi-res-945f874898c817b59365f4ce1a8b2441_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75

[threezero]

lol at all the racist remarks in this thread.

[multicartual]

Not all terrorists are muslim, but...

Not all feminists are fat chicks, but...

Not all bad drivers are asian, but...

Not all crackheads are white, but...

Not all hipsters are pretentious, but...

[multicartual]

lol at all the racist remarks in this thread.


Stereotypes exist for a reason

[Timpo]

Oh fuck that shit, I've seen Asian people who suck at math.

[toehook]

Oh fuck that shit, I've seen Asian people who suck at math.

:pokerface: looks like I fall in that category.

[Qmx323]

This is just what my student who knows the driver told me:

Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU
passenger is still unconscious but driver is fine.
the two met at a party on the day of the crash. He was driving the passenger home. Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash (im assuming after they were rescued)

Tsk tsk....

LOL

"My son is about to start the next step of his life, and become a contributing member of this society, he's 18 and I'd like to put him in a German muscle car with 500+ HP and RWD..."

Parents are Smrt

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr168zmKZg1qh59n0o5_250.gif

[flagella]

:pokerface: looks like I fall in that category.

Well then.... You aren't a true Asian...

[toehook]

Well then.... You aren't a true Asian...

:QQ: my cantonese sounds like a white guy trying to speak the language but is having a difficult time doing it.

[Hot Karl]

i blame the got rice song.

[Timpo]

i blame the got rice song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Yd8g1kV3Y

[Timpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNpkLjnmgiQ

[originalhypa]

:lol

Never seen that before.

[ancient_510]

Meh, some Asians are capable of becoming an F1 Racer

Takuma Sato
Kamui Kobayashi
Ma Quing Hua
Satoru Nakajima
Aguri Suzuki

Taki Inoue
https://youtu.be/wCXEhf1pYtw

[originalhypa]

Any updates to this?
I'm sure someone here knows the guy or his victim. Where is gulululululu when you need him?

He's like the Chinese tmz.

:accepted:

[GLOW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNpkLjnmgiQ

the girl in the still :megusta:

[TypeRNammer]

the girl in the still :megusta:

I believe that's Elly Tran

[gilly]

Teen driver charged in crash was reportedly driving 250 km/h - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2608342/teen-driver-charged-in-crash-was-reportedly-driving-250-kmh/)

A teenage driver has now been arrested and charged following a car crash last April.

The violent crash sent his 17-year-old passenger to hospital, suffering from head trauma, facial fractures, brain swelling, a fractured arm, and possible eye damage.


The crash happened on South West Marine Drive at 3 a.m. on April 12, 2015, when the driver crashed a Mercedes into someone’s front yard near 57 Avenue. They were in the car, injured, for almost an hour before someone found them and called for help.

Both were taken to hospital, but the driver was treated and released the following day.

After an extensive investigation, the VPD Collision Investigation Unit found the driver was allegedly travelling in excess of five times the speed limit when he lost control of the vehicle. The speed limit is 50 km/h so he was driving over 250 km/h.

Nineteen-year-old Yue Hui Wang has been arrested and charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. He had returned to China and was only arrested for this crime at Vancouver Airport when he returned to attend his citizenship ceremony.

Wang has now been ordered to surrender his passport and has conditions not to be found in the driver’s seat of any vehicle.

He has been released from custody until his next court appearance.

He missed his citizenship ceremony.

[ImportPsycho]

nvm

[The_AK]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[IMASA]

Nineteen-year-old Yue Hui Wang has been arrested and charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. He had returned to China and was only arrested for this crime at Vancouver Airport when he returned to attend his citizenship ceremony.

I'm kinda disappointed that he was able to leave the country in the first place. Seems like the cops caught a break because he decided to come back for the citizenship ceremony. The guy could've just stayed in China to avoid criminal charges.

[westopher]

Lets see how this goes down.
Goes to court
Has expensive lawyer
Gets 12 months probation and 3 month license suspension
Is driving new huracan in 4 months as a gift for all his pain and suffering of being 3 months without a license and missing his citizenship ceremony.

[Teriyaki]

Wait, he still got his citizenship? Great.

[bcrdukes]

Paging Gulululu for commentary.

[Traum]

When Irene Thorpe was killed in a street racing incident back in 2000, one of the courts gave him a slap on the wrist type of punishment (house arrest only, I think?). From the subsequent uproar, the Immigration department got on the case and tried to deport the street racer since he wasn't a Canadian citizen yet. A couple rounds of court battles later, the Supreme Court deported the guy's a$$ back to India.

The passenger is not quite dead in this case, but why should the system treat this guy any different? I say we throw the (immigration?) book at him again and deport his a$$ back to China.

[jackmeister]

I think any type of serious crime is already grounds to deport permanent resident, or at least have citizenship application rejected.

unfortunately this kid got his citizenship application approved, hence why he was returning for ceremony

[westopher]

When Irene Thorpe was killed in a street racing incident back in 2000, one of the courts gave him a slap on the wrist type of punishment (house arrest only, I think?). From the subsequent uproar, the Immigration department got on the case and tried to deport the street racer since he wasn't a Canadian citizen yet. A couple rounds of court battles later, the Supreme Court deported the guy's a$$ back to India.

The passenger is not quite dead in this case, but why should the system treat this guy any different? I say we throw the (immigration?) book at him again and deport his a$$ back to China.
I usually agree with you traum on immigration and politics, but here I've gotta disagree. Once he became a citizen, he's a canadian as much as anyone. Its our courts job to punish him appropriately. I certainly think crimes causing serious injury or death are grounds to deny citizenship application, but revoking it sets a dangerous precedent.

[Retrac]

Why wasn't his application for citizenship delayed? Was there no police investigation going on at the time? I agree that once citizenship is granted it should not be taken away, however citizenship should be at least delayed until any ongoing police investigation is solved. He should have been denied the privilege of becoming a citizen to begin with.

[underscore]

I'm curious to know when his citizenship was approved, surely if there's an ongoing police investigation regarding someone their approval process should be put on hold.

[DragonChi]

Apparently, money does buy citizenship. If he was poor, I doubt he would have gotten in. That and he's in SFU now.

I wonder where the balance is between being criminally negligent and allowing someone citizenship due to wealth.

[Traum]

I usually agree with you traum on immigration and politics, but here I've gotta disagree. Once he became a citizen, he's a canadian as much as anyone. Its our courts job to punish him appropriately. I certainly think crimes causing serious injury or death are grounds to deny citizenship application, but revoking it sets a dangerous precedent.
Don't get me wrong, Westopher. I 100% agree with you that we can't revoke his citizenship if it has already been granted. At that point, this 19 year old kid becomes someone our regular justice system would have to deal with.

What is not clear to me is that at the time of his arrest, he has obviously not gone through with the citizenship ceremony yet. Does that still make him fair game for denial of citizenship application? or is the ceremony a mere formality at that point? I am not a legal expert, so I do not have an answer to this question. But if he still qualifies to have his citizenship application denied at that point, I would like to see we follow the precedence of the Indian fellow involved in the Irene Thorpe case and follow through with a similar legal proceeding. If the ceremony is a mere formality, then as I said above, our justice system would just have to deal with him like every other Canadian citizen.

[?NR]

isn't Bill C-24 still in effect?

if so:

The Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Minister can revoke your citizenship, if it is a routine case.

The Federal Court decides whether to revoke your citizenship, if it is a complex case (e.g. war crimes, crimes against humanity, security, other human or international rights violations, and organized criminality).


so, if convicted he still may lose his newly-acquired citizenship (if someone makes a big stink about it I suppose).

[vitaminG]

would like to see we follow the precedence of the Indian fellow involved in the Irene Thorpe case and follow through with a similar legal proceeding.

There's no precedence there, that guy wasn't a Canadian citizen.

The only thing that would matter for a non citizen is if they are sentenced to 6 months or more. it doesn't matter if it was street racing or drug dealing.

[Traum]

The Trudeau government has repealed the changes proposed by Bill C-24. I dunno what exactly that means in legalese, but I think the Citizenship / Immigration minister can't revoke somebody's citizenship -- it would need to go through a federal court, and the bar for citizenship revocation is probably much higher there.
isn't Bill C-24 still in effect?

if so:

The Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Minister can revoke your citizenship, if it is a routine case.

The Federal Court decides whether to revoke your citizenship, if it is a complex case (e.g. war crimes, crimes against humanity, security, other human or international rights violations, and organized criminality).


so, if convicted he still may lose his newly-acquired citizenship (if someone makes a big stink about it I suppose).

[twitchyzero]

i'm no lawyer but C24 was intended for those committing treason/terrorism...not for motor vehicle act offenses/negligence involving harm

quick someone post his facebook link :troll:

[conandoyle]

People in China never had Playstations and Gran turismo LOL Only until recently did they allow the sales of these consoles in store.
Not really, they got PS3 xbox in grey market as soon as it starts to sell in Japan

[conandoyle]

Yeah in Japan, they take driving very seriously.

You must go to driving school and they have this designated practice track. They won't just take you on the road until you pass all the skills test.
Before you are even allowed to practice on the road, you must prove your examiner that you can do parallel parking, stop & go safely, watch for hazards, how to change lane safely, have full control of the vehicle and all that stuff. After taking driving theory course and passing written test, you can finally go on the road with your instructor.



Amazingly, China has a very similar training process and license system as Japan. You cannot get license by driving you own car. You are only allowed to drive the test car to do your driving test. Not long ago, all the test cars were manual stick. You have to participate the designated program and driving school, at least 3 months to learn drive, park, hill start, mountain roads etc. Upon on graduation, you will have a chance to take written test, track test on designated track, and finally a road test.

http://www.zgxueche.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/zgxueche_2015-09-18_04-55-38.jpg

http://www.ndwww.cn/news/UploadFiles_5659/201311/2013111408543900.png

http://www.0370jxw.com/20120716.jpg

Training track test will have the electronic sensors to detect the mistakes. After you pass the designated test on the track, then you can proceed to the road test.
In reality, China is also kinda strict on enforcing traffic laws. They actually have a huge amount of cameras and violation sensors almost in every intersection around the city. If you drive on a solid line, you get ticket notification right away sent to your cellphone, usually come with 1-3 penalty points as well.

http://www.woyouche.com/upload/2016/03/04/709a6566-8dfa-4800-af26-a681ecbae28e.jpg

http://www.gxit023.com/uploadfile/2014/1107/20141107125020292.jpg

http://y2.ifengimg.com/package/special_20141201_42648/images/23.jpg

I think the problem is more about driving culture rather than the actual training process. If you go to China, you will find everybody driving like dumbass. Motorcyclists are the craziest.

https://youtu.be/__v_OBRz-qM

[320icar]

^^^ From living in Richmond my whole life, I don't believe a word you say.

[TOPEC]

the above mentioned licensing process is actually all true, traffic cameras at almost every major intersection pointing at individual lanes, they're able to spot u from playing on the cell phones to not wearing a seat belt. then again, with china, u can pay ur way out of everything, including obtaining a drivers license.

[IMASA]

https://youtu.be/__v_OBRz-qM

This video is pretty amazing, that blue car uses its turn signals pretty much all the time.
When it flips over, I noticed that the hazard lights are on. It's like the first thing going through the driver's mind when they flip over is "oh shit, better hit them hazard lights".

[asian_XL]

OT, in China, white people are the only kind people there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2VOS_P4yTI

[thumper]

This video is pretty amazing, that blue car uses its turn signals pretty much all the time.
When it flips over, I noticed that the hazard lights are on. It's like the first thing going through the driver's mind when they flip over is "oh shit, better hit them hazard lights".

most car manufacturers have the hazard lights programmed to come on automatically with airbag deployment/crash sensor.

eg. bmw

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/technology_guide/articles/crash_sensor.html?source=index&article=crash_sensor

[LP700-4]

Didn't they originally say 180km/h? Now they bumped it up to 250km/h which is still believable esp in a 507 but on marine drive it's bumpy af would take some balls to hold the gas for that long. Exaggeration for the news?

[320icar]

In the article I'm pretty sure they said that HE told investigators that's how fast he was going. And with modern cars most of them have a black box that records the last ~10 seconds before a crash with info of speed, if brakes were applied, you know, standard OBD2 stuff

[RRxtar]

i'm no lawyer but C24 was intended for those committing treason/terrorism...not for motor vehicle act offenses/negligence involving harm

quick someone post his facebook link :troll:
thats funny. because all public outcry when c-24 was being proposed was immigrants saying "we feel like second rate citizens because harper will deport us if we ever break a law or even get a speeding ticket"

[conandoyle]

^^^ From living in Richmond my whole life, I don't believe a word you say.

To be honest, I don't like to drive around Richmond either. I felt much more nervous driving on the roads in China. But everything I said about training process is true. What happened between training and actual driving is like what we treat the STOP sign here on road test and daily life. It's required to stop completely on the road test while I saw many ppl doing rolling stop on street.