[Gallardo]

Greetings fellow members,

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this message.
-I have searched this forum thoroughly and have found many excellent advices from you guys about dealing with SCAMMERS
-hoping your expertise can shed some light on my issue at hand.

-My parents rented out their house in Surrey to an 80 year old lady, starting March 1st 2015

-Contracts signed and agreed by both parties

-2 weeks ago, the received cheque (rental payment for March) bounced.

-Parents checked up on the cheque received for the rental DEPOSIT, it bounced as well.

-Parents issued a notice to the tenant for her to pay within 5 days.

-5 days later, the tenant tells my parents she needs more time

-->parents issued her an eviction notice on the spot

-Tenant owes the Deposit and the rental payments for March and April.

-Tenant has NOT registered with the Fortis/BC HYDRO to make payments, did not pay for water/electricity/heating all this time

-Parents wants the tenant out immediately

-from what parents now know and understand, the tenant is experienced with The RTO rules and is using it to scamming people.

[BoostedBB6]

Telling her to leave is not an eviction notice.
If she knows how it work, she is well aware that the actually evict someone from your property can take a very long time. A friend of mine went through this with a place she owned.

Took her 6 months and loads of paperwork to get her formally evicted from the residence.

Best of luck but if she has done this before your in for a crazy ride :(

[BoostedBB6]

If your parents have not already, fill this out and serve her with it.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAsset?assetId=5F08B8E13B6E444C8C8C2C1F0A94 1D9B

[PJ]

Sounds like you got hit by a squatter.. every landlord's worst nightmare.

They know how to play the game, and they just jump from place to place for a few months here and there, knowing it takes time for the landlords to get all the legal work done to evict them. Not to mention you can't legally cut off their power, etc.

My uncle's been hit by one of these guys before too, and it's just a big headache. They didn't get him out for 6+ months.

Hope you can get this resolved soon.

[Gallardo]

Telling her to leave is not an eviction notice.
If she knows how it work, she is well aware that the actually evict someone from your property can take a very long time. A friend of mine went through this with a place she owned.

Took her 6 months and loads of paperwork to get her formally evicted from the residence.

Best of luck but if she has done this before your in for a crazy ride :(

If your parents have not already, fill this out and serve her with it.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAsset?assetId=5F08B8E13B6E444C8C8C2C1F0A94 1D9B

Hello BoostedBB6,

My parents gave her an eviction form. From my understanding, the police may not get involved, neither would any lawyers.

[Gallardo]

Sounds like you got hit by a squatter.. every landlord's worst nightmare.

They know how to play the game, and they just jump from place to place for a few months here and there, knowing it takes time for the landlords to get all the legal work done to evict them. Not to mention you can't legally cut off their power, etc.

My uncle's been hit by one of these guys before too, and it's just a big headache. They didn't get him out for 6+ months.

Hope you can get this resolved soon.

Wow, my thoughts was cut off hydro and power. Even though a contract has been signed, no payments were received since all the cheques bounced. Land lords really has the short end of the stick in tenancy laws.FailFish

[PJ]

From my understanding, the police may not get involved, neither would any lawyers.

Police wouldn't get involved because "technically" she's not breaking any rules. If she's not violent, destructive, noisy, etc, they would just tell you to take it up with the RTO.

[BoostedBB6]

If they did not use that form for this situation it would be easy for her to keep living there as the proper forms were not filled out.

That is the one they need to use. She has till 1pm on the date on the notice to leave. If she does not leave (which if she is a squatter she wont) then you need to get legal action involved. This can take a long time to do and can/will result in her being removed by Police if necessary.

[PJ]

Wow, my thoughts was cut off hydro and power. Even though a contract has been signed, no payments were received since all the cheques bounced. Land lords really has the short end of the stick in tenancy laws.FailFish

Yeah it's a really unfortunate situation. Basically as soon as you make the place inhabitable (cut off their hydro, change the locks, etc), you're actually doing more harm than good to your case. And if she knows the rules as well as you can only assume she does, then she can actually use that to fight back in court.

[BoostedBB6]

Your parents will most likely have to file a direct request and get all there paperwork done. and spend a considerable amount of time fighting if shes experianced.

Direct Request - Dispute Resolution (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=5F32A2D741FD4FE1890CB9B96325C0DD)

[Soundy]

In before someone recommends emailing her dean....

:drunk:

[Gallardo]

Yeah it's a really unfortunate situation. Basically as soon as you make the place inhabitable (cut off their hydro, change the locks, etc), you're actually doing more harm than good to your case. And if she knows the rules as well as you can only assume she does, then she can actually use that to fight back in court.

Yea, my parents has never dealt with this kind of thing before, they just want the scammer tenant to get out asap. Like what kind of world are we living in? living at someone's place without paying rent; while being PROTECTED by the law for doing so....:rukidding:

Your parents will most likely have to file a direct request and get all there paperwork done. and spend a considerable amount of time fighting if shes experianced.

Direct Request - Dispute Resolution (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=5F32A2D741FD4FE1890CB9B96325C0DD)

I will follow through with the link that you have provided asap, thankyou!

In before someone recommends emailing her dean....

:drunk:

Well, considering the old lady scammer is 80 years old...I wouldn't think her dean would even be alive right now..FailFish

[trd2343]

-Tenant has NOT registered with the Fortis/BC HYDRO to make payments, did not pay for water/electricity/heating all this time



Do you know who is registered at Fortis/BC Hydro at that address at this moment?

If it is still under your parents name, can you call Fortis and ask them to cut service because you aren't living there at the moment? I'm assuming that your contract doesn't include providing utilities right?

[Gallardo]

Do you know who is registered at Fortis/BC Hydro at that address at this moment?

If it is still under your parents name, can you call Fortis and ask them to cut service because you aren't living there at the moment? I'm assuming that your contract doesn't include providing utilities right?

Called up Fortis and the service is still registered under my parent's name. So this is another surefire sign that the scammer tenant has no intentions to pay for anything right from the get-go.

I am not sure if Fortis can cut the power to the house from their end, but I will call in and try asking.

[Sunfighter]

Question - and not trying to rub it in now - but did you parents check previous rental references for this tenant? If I'm about to let somebody reside in a piece of property that I own it's something I would be all over.

[Gallardo]

Question - and not trying to rub it in now - but did you parents check previous rental references for this tenant? If I'm about to let somebody reside in a piece of property that I own it's something I would be all over.

Did not do the reference or the credit check.

Apparently, my parents are really naive and trusting on people's words. At the time, the scammer tenant produced papers, stating that she has money in her bank, has a good annual income and has a pension plan.

In retrospect, those papers could have easily been forged. The scammer had her accomplices (all middle aged ladies) come with her to view the house and act all interested. References could have been faked too. What I think is happening is that the scammer knows the rules inside and out and chooses not to make payments even though she has the funds to do so.

[murd0c]

first thing get your parents to cut off the hydro and gas since its not in the contract. Then as everyone else said you are kinds fucked for now

[tiger_handheld]

Well, considering the old lady scammer is 80 years old...I wouldn't think her dean would even be alive right now..FailFish

you must be new here...

[ziggyx]

Question - and not trying to rub it in now - but did you parents check previous rental references for this tenant? If I'm about to let somebody reside in a piece of property that I own it's something I would be all over.

Just out of curiousity, what's stopping them from giving you fake references (ie: a friend of theirs to lie for them saying they're good renters)?

[Gallardo]

Just out of curiousity, what's stopping them from giving you fake references (ie: a friend of theirs to lie for them saying they're good renters)?

Yup, they could have easily have friends lie for them. And also, doing a credit check is important for any landlord, but in this case... I believe her credit check would clear and everything would look legit. Problem is that she's playing with the rules and not paying up the rent.

She gave my parents bs excuses saying oh she used the wrong account/bank.

Update: my dad saw a Moving company truck outside the house, and the guy in the truck approached my dad. Turned out that the old lady scammer got the moving company to move her stuff into the house, and paid them with a Cheque that ALSO bounced..

[murd0c]

have you tried googling her name to see if anything came up about being a scammer?

[sdubfid]

Some peoples grandmas

[yray]

Have RS meet at grandmas

/thread

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[TOPEC]

Stop payin for hydro at that address, just let the amount go into over due. I believe within 90 days of non payment hydro will actually go n cut power, same with gas, they'll lock up the main line at the meter. She "should" leave by then, that's when u pay up the overdue charges before being sent to collections. Technically the rent doesn't include hydro or gas so she should be payin for it, n I highly doubt she'll pay for the overdue charges just to get it reconnected.

3months vs 6months u choose

[parm104]

Just a little more information please:

1) What was the tenancy period? Month to month? A year? 6 months?

2) Have you documented the written notices that you've given them? Notice to pay or vacate, notice to vacate, etc.

You need to get on with a dispute resolution as soon as possible. The sooner you do it, the sooner you will be able to get your Order of Possession.

The key for you with this dispute resolution will be to ensure that you've given proper notice and have given them the statutory time frame to act on the notice.

You might want to use the Proof of Service form found on the BC Residential Tenancy website.

[Nlkko]

80 year old lady. Cut your loss and move on my friend.

[murd0c]

this is true, have your parents pay her to leave maybe?

[SSM_DC5]

Have you read this thread yet? http://www.revscene.net/forums/689031-so-you-want-landlord.html

some useful info:
"Basic things to remember/know:
-Payment of rent is due on the 1st of the month…every month regardless of Sundays, weekends, holidays, bank holidays, or any other excuse a tenant will use. It rent is not paid by 12:01am on the 2nd, it is late. You can issue this notice that will give the tenant 5 days to pay: http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-30.pdf. If they have not paid or filed to fight the notice within those 5 day, they will be forced to move.
-If a tenant is late 3 times within a short period of time (12 months), that tenant can be evicted without warning by using this form: http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-33.pdf. This RTB-33 form can also be used to evict a tenant for cause.
- Read these notices, understand these notices, and make sure these notices are issued as they should to avoid them being thrown out in court.
-Documenting everything is imperative should your case go to court. You have the burden of proof.
-Arbitration is a complicated process, but if you know what you are doing, you will be successful.
-Sometimes, no matter how well you vet a tenant, how great their references are, and how great they present themselves, we have all been screwed at one point. A few of them always slip through and you shouldn’t feel bad about it. "

[Gallardo]

Just a little more information please:

1) What was the tenancy period? Month to month? A year? 6 months?

2) Have you documented the written notices that you've given them? Notice to pay or vacate, notice to vacate, etc.

You need to get on with a dispute resolution as soon as possible. The sooner you do it, the sooner you will be able to get your Order of Possession.

The key for you with this dispute resolution will be to ensure that you've given proper notice and have given them the statutory time frame to act on the notice.

You might want to use the Proof of Service form found on the BC Residential Tenancy website.

1) The tenancy period is month to month

2) The appropriate notices from the RTA has been filled out and given to the scammer. Good statutory time frame was provided also.

I am curious to know how the Order of Possession is obtained? I know I need to go file forms and go up the chain, but who are which agency do I go through with?

[Gallardo]

Have you read this thread yet? http://www.revscene.net/forums/689031-so-you-want-landlord.html

some useful info:
"Basic things to remember/know:
-Payment of rent is due on the 1st of the month…every month regardless of Sundays, weekends, holidays, bank holidays, or any other excuse a tenant will use. It rent is not paid by 12:01am on the 2nd, it is late. You can issue this notice that will give the tenant 5 days to pay: http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-30.pdf. If they have not paid or filed to fight the notice within those 5 day, they will be forced to move.
-If a tenant is late 3 times within a short period of time (12 months), that tenant can be evicted without warning by using this form: http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-33.pdf. This RTB-33 form can also be used to evict a tenant for cause.
- Read these notices, understand these notices, and make sure these notices are issued as they should to avoid them being thrown out in court.
-Documenting everything is imperative should your case go to court. You have the burden of proof.
-Arbitration is a complicated process, but if you know what you are doing, you will be successful.
-Sometimes, no matter how well you vet a tenant, how great their references are, and how great they present themselves, we have all been screwed at one point. A few of them always slip through and you shouldn’t feel bad about it. "


Thanks for the link, yup I have. Really facepalmed myself after reading the info in that thread..

Btw, does anyone know what happened to Dinosaur and GridLock? they seemed to have vanished for a long long time..

[MindBomber]

Dino and Grid were banned from Revscene.

[InvisibleSoul]

Btw, does anyone know what happened to Dinosaur and GridLock? they seemed to have vanished for a long long time..

They had a major falling out with other RevScene members.

[SoNaRWaVe]

uh, if the tenancy was month to month, end the tenancy at the end of this month. give her notice that you will not be renewing tenancy.

an alternative method, but more work needed, the landlord can claim personal use and give 2 months notice and end the tenancy. this however will lose you rental income.

Two Month Notice - Landlord Notice (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=5111F0EB86EA45B29F5105D66FE601EC)

these 2 routes will definitely be shorter than anything else that has been mentioned.

[parm104]

80 year old lady. Cut your loss and move on my friend.

Cut your loss and move on?

Like he should sell his house and move? Or just pretend like she's not there even though she's living in the house?

[twitchyzero]

when she's not home do unspeakable things to her food, pillow, toothbrush...that should get her going fast.

80 years old or not she sounds experienced given that the moving company also got a bounced cheque.

If it was a legitimate sob story she would've communicated with your parents first.

[Gallardo]

uh, if the tenancy was month to month, end the tenancy at the end of this month. give her notice that you will not be renewing tenancy.

an alternative method, but more work needed, the landlord can claim personal use and give 2 months notice and end the tenancy. this however will lose you rental income.

Two Month Notice - Landlord Notice (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=5111F0EB86EA45B29F5105D66FE601EC)

these 2 routes will definitely be shorter than anything else that has been mentioned.

Great advice, me and my parents are doing everything we can to kick her out.

The 2 Month Notice to end the notice wouldn't work I think, because the cheques for 2 month's rent and the deposit payment all bounced and didn't go through.

[Gallardo]

when she's not home do unspeakable things to her food, pillow, toothbrush...that should get her going fast.

80 years old or not she sounds experienced given that the moving company also got a bounced cheque.

If it was a legitimate sob story she would've communicated with your parents first.

Ideally, anyone in this situation would want to grab a car and mow her over... but to mess with her and make her life like hell would give her excuse to btch and complain and drag the whole ordeal longer..

Yea, I think the scammer lady is well prepared and anticipating the actions that we will take against her

[SoNaRWaVe]

slap her with every notice possible. late rent and ending tenancy after next month. however though, it sounds like you have to give her until end of next month since its too late into the month. either way, thats plenty of notice given her tenancy is month to month.

then if she doesn't leave after next month, you have every ground to evict her asap. there shouldn't be the need to dispute since you have it all documented.

and to be a pain in the ass, slap her with inspection notices once a week. start documenting for damages in case she fucks shit up.

[rslater]

If she leaves the unit and you change the locks so she can't get in, what happens in that case? She would have to pay to have the locks changed? I would just keep doing that over and over again until she's broke. I would also call every door to door salesperson and religious group possible and tell them to come by all the time. That would drive me bonkers and I can't see how that's illegal.

[Gallardo]

slap her with every notice possible. late rent and ending tenancy after next month. however though, it sounds like you have to give her until end of next month since its too late into the month. either way, thats plenty of notice given her tenancy is month to month.

then if she doesn't leave after next month, you have every ground to evict her asap. there shouldn't be the need to dispute since you have it all documented.

and to be a pain in the ass, slap her with inspection notices once a week. start documenting for damages in case she fucks shit up.

Thank you for the input, documenting everything along the way. The frequent inspection on the house would be good.

If she leaves the unit and you change the locks so she can't get in, what happens in that case? She would have to pay to have the locks changed? I would just keep doing that over and over again until she's broke. I would also call every door to door salesperson and religious group possible and tell them to come by all the time. That would drive me bonkers and I can't see how that's illegal.

Thanks for your support, but changing the locks on the door may run into legal issues as well. But technically, since NONE of the payments came through for my parents from the Scammer, the signed tenancy contract then is garbage. I am tempted to lock that btch out too.

Oh, she's really shady now, wouldn't answer telephone calls or answer the door. My dad waited near the house, spotted her open the garage door and zip out in her car. Dad intercepted her and slapped her with the eviction notice.

[pb.kidz]

Jesus I didn't know there was such cunts in the world.

[SoNaRWaVe]

whatever you do, do not change the locks. that does more harm to yourself than good. it sucks to be the landlord in this situation, but it will just cause you more problems.

i stand corrected. you can only inspect the unit once a month. but you can pretend that you are selling the house privately and bring some friends along and enter as long as you give proper notice.

good way to keep an eye on the place.


Enforcing Possession

The landlord must serve a proper notice to end a tenancy if there’s cause for doing so – like not paying rent on time or causing damage or interference with the landlord’s rights. If the notice is not disputed, the landlord must follow the legal process to have the tenant removed from the property. If not, the process may have to be restarted and the tenant can seek compensation.
A tenant can follow the dispute resolution process (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/topic.page?id=14AB177975B04D4E964CDAD126A8DE4C) to request an Order of Possession if the landlord locks them out, refuses to give them the keys to the property, or otherwise prevents their lawful access.


Housing - Residents (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/theme.page?id=043ED83FA4319EF9EC01F4F5C5FD94FD)


site is full of info. good to give it a read over to see what tools you have and can use against her.

[68style]

Man, so many horror stories for renters here... I don't think I would ever own a rental property here. I know someone who owns a bunch in Arizona and the moment he gets even a hint of someone being a dickhead, his caretaker down there shows up with his carry conceal permit sidearm and tosses them out LOL... wild wild west style...

California is just as bad as B.C. for landlords... no rights at all...

[wstce92]

Reading about landlords and renters always pisses me off. Why the fuck are there so many shit for brains hippies running Canada.

[Jas29]

Whenever I rent out a basement suite or a house. I ask for the first months rent and security deposit in cash, buy a receipt book from the dollar store so you can provide a receipt if they want it. I had one guy say he didn't have that much cash in the bank...

[frost91]

property manager here. i deal with people like this every single day, this year alone i've already kicked out 4-5 tenants. i evicted someone on friday! lol

i've probably evicted 20+ tenants in the last year. there's a lot of things you can do that aren't listed but i do it all the time to evict tenants.

PM if you are in serious need of help, i'll try and respond quickly

btw, the police won't remove her for you as someone stated in a previous post. you'll need to hire a bailiff, after you have your court order of possession

[CRS]

property manager here. i deal with people like this every single day, this year alone i've already kicked out 4-5 tenants. i evicted someone on friday! lol

i've probably evicted 20+ tenants in the last year. there's a lot of things you can do that aren't listed but i do it all the time to evict tenants.

PM if you are in serious need of help, i'll try and respond quickly

Why not post here for future reference?

[Manic!]

Always take a cash deposit. Did the contract say who was paying for hydro?

[Soundy]

I had one guy say he didn't have that much cash in the bank...

Which means his deposit check would have bounced.... :suspicious:

[Hondaracer]

Since she's 80 it probably wouldn't be overly effective, but for a younger person Id probably just tell them that I'm going to do everything in my power to run your name into the fucking ground.

After taking pics of the person just build a website displaying their picture telling the story, go on all avenues like Craigslist etc post the same thing. Wouldn't be opposed to start posting posters around the neighborhood even so they see them.

[Gallardo]

Why not post here for future reference?

I am now in contact with Frost91 and hopefully with his advices I can resolve the issue once and for all.

I guess there are alot of grey areas in this whole Residential Tenancy matter...

Always take a cash deposit. Did the contract say who was paying for hydro?

Yes, in retrospect, a cash deposit makes alot more sense. The contract states that the tenant is responsible for the utilities.

[6o4__boi]

came into this thread expecting some Anthony Espinosa level scammer
was not disappointed.

In for frost91's advice. My parents are thinking about renting their basement suite, that info would be valuable just in case things go sideways.

[frost91]

i didn't want to post in this thread for future references because of the fact that its not quite "legal". but a few things i can say are is that you want to be as nice as possible in the eviction process until its time to drop the hammer and evict them.

also when you calculate money owed, you have to calculate future money owed and put that into account as well.

[nma]

Why not post here for future reference?

probably because it's in the grey area lol

[parm104]

Since she's 80 it probably wouldn't be overly effective, but for a younger person Id probably just tell them that I'm going to do everything in my power to run your name into the fucking ground.

After taking pics of the person just build a website displaying their picture telling the story, go on all avenues like Craigslist etc post the same thing. Wouldn't be opposed to start posting posters around the neighborhood even so they see them.

Yea, good advice. I'm sure these kinds of people are so concerned about their "good name" and reputation. There are always going to be victims and scammers out there. Yes, putting the scammer on blast will minimize the amount of victims out there but there will still be suckers out there getting scammed by these people.

A young person in this situation where they're desperate enough to scam a person by squatting in their home won't care about what you have to say about them or what the public has to say about them. ALL they care about is the free shelter over their heads.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sounds like you got hit by a squatter.. every landlord's worst nightmare.

They know how to play the game, and they just jump from place to place for a few months here and there, knowing it takes time for the landlords to get all the legal work done to evict them. Not to mention you can't legally cut off their power, etc.

My uncle's been hit by one of these guys before too, and it's just a big headache. They didn't get him out for 6+ months.

Hope you can get this resolved soon.

Why not? Just call hydro and say you rented the place and no longer wants to pay. I am not living there so I ain't paying for it.

[frost91]

i had a squatter steal electricity from the neighbor before because i turned off their power lol

[Verdasco]

Since she's 80 it probably wouldn't be overly effective, but for a younger person Id probably just tell them that I'm going to do everything in my power to run your name into the fucking ground.

After taking pics of the person just build a website displaying their picture telling the story, go on all avenues like Craigslist etc post the same thing. Wouldn't be opposed to start posting posters around the neighborhood even so they see them.

sounds like the most immature thing to do...

[Stormspirit]

After not paying and still living in my property? I'm going to get her out 1 way or another, today.

[mr_chin]

Just curious...
Do landlords have the keys to the rented property?
Do landlords have to pay for hydro if the renter doesn't?
Do landlords write their own agreements and have to abide by rules on how to write them? Can't they write, if rent is not pay, rent will be evicted immediately? (Meaning someone will go into the house and get throw her shit outside)

Other than that, my only advice is invite your friends over, especially ones that like to party and such, and just party there as many nights as they can.

[pengu]

Doing credit checks introduces more liability for the landlord and in general are useless.

[TouringTeg]

Just curious...
Do landlords have the keys to the rented property?
Do landlords have to pay for hydro if the renter doesn't?
Do landlords write their own agreements and have to abide by rules on how to write them? Can't they write, if rent is not pay, rent will be evicted immediately? (Meaning someone will go into the house and get throw her shit outside)

Other than that, my only advice is invite your friends over, especially ones that like to party and such, and just party there as many nights as they can.

I am no expert but have been renting 2 units since 2011. First time renting a unit I received a fake reference letter. They turned into a squatter who eventually stopped paying and left without proper notice. Left the door propped open with a coat hanger jammed under the door and did not return any keys, parking garage fob, etc. Luckily there was almost no damage.


Yes landlords have keys to the property.

Not from my experience when a squatter did not pay BC Hydro.

Landlords can write their own addendums to attach to the standard BC rental agreement. However the Residential Tenancy Act (RTA) supersedes. So if you write "Tenant will be evicted one day after non-payment of rent" you must still follow the RTA and deliver a 10 Day Notice to End Tenancy for Unpaid Rent. (btw it is another 3 days before it is deemed delievered so a tenant actually gets 13 days total.)

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAsset?assetId=5F08B8E13B6E444C8C8C2C1F0A94 1D9B

[PJ]

Why not? Just call hydro and say you rented the place and no longer wants to pay. I am not living there so I ain't paying for it.

Whether the landlord's living there or not, it's the landlord's responsibility -- unless there were additional, official formal agreements signed. Which, in most cases today, there aren't.

Also.. if you as the landlord make the place inhabitable for the tenant, (which is, believe it or not, actually illegal -- known as Constructive Eviction) the tenant has a case to fight back in court, even sue you. This could toss you into an even bigger mess than if you just did it by the books.

[Gallardo]

Update on the situation:

-After the whole situation is over, I will summarize some strong points and what to watch out for landlords, for future reference.

-Anyone who's interested in Frost91's input can PM him fore info. Do note though, because the Canadian laws that surrounds tenancy governing is complete sht, there are certain steps to take yourself to protect yourself better.

-Confronted the scammer lady, gave her the eviction letter and all the proper papers.

-Gave her until this Saturday to move her sht out and gtfo.

-After she is kicked out, need to go through the process to obtain the Order Of Possession and recover the payments that had never materialized

-Thank-you for the invaluable info shared in this thread by the RS community, I will update when I can and if mods will allow... I will post info on the scammer, so that potential landlords can be on the watch-out.

[murd0c]

What was her reaction when you gave her the papers and until sat to move out?

[parm104]

Update on the situation:

-Confronted the scammer lady, gave her the eviction letter and all the proper papers.

-Gave her until this Saturday to move her sht out and gtfo.

-After she is kicked out, need to go through the process to obtain the Order Of Possession and recover the payments that had never materialized


Yea, I dunno...A "squatter" doesn't leave after you give them an eviction notice. They will know that they have a decent amount of time between the date of eviction and the time it takes to get a legal judgement against them. I'm a little confused though because I thought you had already given the pay or vacate and eviction notices earlier.

I doubt she will be gone by this Saturday. You'll need an order against her regardless so I would've already submitted/made a claim there if I were you.

[Gallardo]

What was her reaction when you gave her the papers and until sat to move out?

-It was a real messed up situation, knocked on the door, and she acted all shady. Her grown son was near by as well.

-she acted all apologetic and nodded when told that she needs to move all her things out asap by Saturday.

-with her being 80 years old and experienced with scamming, everything points her reaction as fake and putting-on-a-show.

Yea, I dunno...A "squatter" doesn't leave after you give them an eviction notice. They will know that they have a decent amount of time between the date of eviction and the time it takes to get a legal judgement against them. I'm a little confused though because I thought you had already given the pay or vacate and eviction notices earlier.

I doubt she will be gone by this Saturday. You'll need an order against her regardless so I would've already submitted/made a claim there if I were you.

-I may have confused things a bit, but getting hold of her earlier in the week and serving her the papers was similar to playing hide-and-seek.

-This time around, everything was documented digitally too (audio,etc)

-you make a good point and it's what I suspect as well, being who she is, I think she is going to bs around and not leave until much much later.

-related to the point above...
-->when previously approached for new cheques after the previous ones bounced, she asked for extra time
-->5 days later, she asks for another week
-->a week later, she says she cannot pay-up, has no money!
-->so getting her to gtfo will be hard
-->a bailiff may be able to evict her with force, but it's a long trail of paperworks before that can happen

[SoNaRWaVe]

stay strong. and keep us posted.

it sounds like you are almost half way there.

[Gululu]

this country is going downhill fast.. 80 year old women scamming landlords.. wow I don't even know to laugh or feel sorry. if someone told me this story i wouldn't have believed it. Im outta here. gonna short my canadian assets and i'll be gone.

so long canada

[willystyle]

this country is going downhill fast.. 80 year old women scamming landlords.. wow I don't even know to laugh or feel sorry. if someone told me this story i wouldn't have believed it. Im outta here. gonna short my canadian assets and i'll be gone.

so long canada
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[MTV Cribs]

this country is going downhill fast.. 80 year old women scamming landlords.. wow I don't even know to laugh or feel sorry. if someone told me this story i wouldn't have believed it. Im outta here. gonna short my canadian assets and i'll be gone.

so long canada

You should go live somewhere else in the world because there's no scammers anywhere else except in Canada. True story because I heard it from a Nigerian guy.

[frost91]

- if shes out you don't need to obtain order of possession anymore, just swap the locks in case she made copies of the keys.

Update on the situation:

-After the whole situation is over, I will summarize some strong points and what to watch out for landlords, for future reference.

-Anyone who's interested in Frost91's input can PM him fore info. Do note though, because the Canadian laws that surrounds tenancy governing is complete sht, there are certain steps to take yourself to protect yourself better.

-Confronted the scammer lady, gave her the eviction letter and all the proper papers.

-Gave her until this Saturday to move her sht out and gtfo.

-After she is kicked out, need to go through the process to obtain the Order Of Possession and recover the payments that had never materialized

-Thank-you for the invaluable info shared in this thread by the RS community, I will update when I can and if mods will allow... I will post info on the scammer, so that potential landlords can be on the watch-out.

[Mr.HappySilp]

- if shes out you don't need to obtain order of possession anymore, just swap the locks in case she made copies of the keys.

And install alarm and wire to alarm company as well. They might try to come back and rob you.

I have to kick a tenant out too once. It wasn't pretty and she was crying when she was leaving but think of it this way. They cost you months of income, cost you your time, give you stress and top it off they will just go scam another person. Once you think about that you won't feel sorry or bad.

[parm104]

this country is going downhill fast.. 80 year old women scamming landlords.. wow I don't even know to laugh or feel sorry. if someone told me this story i wouldn't have believed it. Im outta here. gonna short my canadian assets and i'll be gone.

so long canada

Ya, after I heard about this 80 year old scammer, I decided to move out of this country too! What an outrage!

People around the world are seeking refuge status, running away from their homes in fear of their LIVES, and you are sitting here crying about how bad our country is because we have tenants who are freeloading. Get a life lol.

[frost91]

your 80 year old squatter is not bad compared to the new wave of alcoholic, drug abusing, Uganda refugee seeking immigrants I've had to deal with in the last 6 months.

worst ever. lol

[Hondaracer]

this country is going downhill fast.. 80 year old women scamming landlords.. wow I don't even know to laugh or feel sorry. if someone told me this story i wouldn't have believed it. Im outta here. gonna short my canadian assets and i'll be gone.

so long canada

80 year old scammers > foreign cafe investors

[Traum]

Question / Recommendation to the OP -- when I rent my apartment out, I always make it a point to cancel all the utilities (hydro, gas, whatever else) at the start of the tenancy and notify the tenant that he needs to arrange to have these things hooked up asap. I tell them about the date when my account closes, and the rest is up to them. BC Hydro and Tearson Gas never cut off the supply right away, but if a new account isn't set up within a reasonable time, they will cut service and the new account holder will need to pay for a setup fee of some sort.

This certainly isn't bombproof, but at least it reduces the insult that you have to pay for the tenant's utility usage.

On a different note, squatters that game the system like this really deserve to die the most painful death imaginable...

[dvst8]

Cut off their electricity and utilities. If tenancy board calls you about it to complain just tell them the situation. Tenancy board will tell you to correct it but they don't enforce it because tenant owes money. That's my past experience with a bad tenant.

or go in and remove an appliance. Claim you need to get it repaired. Tenancy board isnt going to protect you so you got to play at the bad tenants level..

[Phil@rise]

do not do anything without consent from the rto or you will just futher delay your efforts. as soon as you do anything without consent you become the "bad guy"