[RickyTan3]

Just got an email.

WTF SERIOUSLY?

I have been with telus about 10 years and now they start charging for data usage, wtf is this a cell phone plan?

and its capped at 250gb?

Anyone else have this?

[Soundy]

Sure it's not a scam email?

[Mr.HappySilp]

lol is been on the news for months now. Oh and there HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A USAGE CAP!

Now it is up to the ISP if they have to enforce or not. You can either use your internet within the cap, pay for higher package with more bandwidth or use techsavy which is unlimited but is really slow.

[hchang]

Yeah I just got that email today too

My billing cycle starts every 17th and apparently I've already used more than half of my alloted data

Pretty bs, I've always gone over every month but never had to pay extra.

Shaw has a pretty good promotion going right now if I end up being charged for over usage this month I'm switching to Shaw

[Presto]

Are you going over your limit regularly? I just checked mine, and I've been over for the last 7 out 8 months. There was a huge spike last billing cycle, but there was no extra charge for that, or any other time. How does your usage compare, OP?

[nabs]

im at 411 gb average it said in the letter we got in the mail. in december we were upto 490 gb. Were just gonna opt for the 15 dollar a month unlimited with each person contributing an extra 5 bucks a month towards the internet.

We have 8 consistent users and most of us stream all our tv shows and movies on a daily basis.

[twitchyzero]

where does it say extra $15? i thought it was extra 30/mo to get out of UBB?

[nabs]

there's a huge thread in the computer forum
if you wanna keep going overlimit without getting raped you have to pay an extra 30/mo or switch

If you subscribe to TTV its only extra 15 a month.

[corollagtSr5]

"Starting June 1, 2015, when you exceed your monthly data allowance, TELUS will provide you with additional data buckets of 50 GB as needed. The first bucket is $5 and each bucket after that is $10.

The unused portion of your last additional data bucket will expire at the end of your billing cycle. Your data usage will be reset to zero and your regular monthly data allowance will apply." Quoted from my email from telus. If you have optik tv it's only 15 dollars to add unlimited data and 30 dollars if you don't have optik.

[melloman]

"Starting June 1, 2015, when you exceed your monthly data allowance, TELUS will provide you with additional data buckets of 50 GB as needed. The first bucket is $5 and each bucket after that is $10.

The unused portion of your last additional data bucket will expire at the end of your billing cycle. Your data usage will be reset to zero and your regular monthly data allowance will apply." Quoted from my email from telus. If you have optik tv it's only 15 dollars to add unlimited data and 30 dollars if you don't have optik.

So if you buy 2 buckets, (100gb) and you only use 80gb, the other 20gb is scrapped.

:fuckthatshit: Another reason I'll never go to Telus. :thumbsup:

[heleu]

They've been doing this for a while, I find they just look the other way if you're not always over.

My parents had a exchange student renting a room from them, and their internet usuage went from 100GB/month to 1000GB/month. They got a warning message right after that. lol.

[jasonturbo]

So if you buy 2 buckets, (100gb) and you only use 80gb, the other 20gb is scrapped.

:fuckthatshit: Another reason I'll never go to Telus. :thumbsup:

Shaw is going to be rolling this out as well.

[EuterVanWasser]

Captain Obvious speaking here: every ISP/Cable provider in NA is moving this way to capture lost revenues on television subscriptions due to the proliferation of streaming content.

If anything, I'm trying to find a good deal now to lock in to unlimited content before they crank up prices even further.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Broadband & High Speed Internet plans | Shaw.ca (http://www.shaw.ca/internet/plans/)

High Speed Internet service providers BC, Alberta | TELUS.com (http://www.telus.com/en/bc/internet/)
TELUS Unlimited Internet Data Plan | Add-ons | TELUS.com (http://www.telus.com/en/bc/internet/unlimited-data-usage/?INTCMP=InternetRiverflowUnlimitedData)
You can get unlimited internet for extra $15 as long as you have TV with them so is not so bad

TekSavvy - Cable (http://teksavvy.com/en/residential/internet/cable)
Internet | Novus (http://www.novusnow.ca/internet/)

Pretty much all the ISP in Vancouver have a cap of some sort......

[l2_narain]

I signed up my parents account and my own account on 2 different e-mails. I got a e-mail for my parents place..:\

[AzNightmare]

So if you buy 2 buckets, (100gb) and you only use 80gb, the other 20gb is scrapped.

:fuckthatshit: Another reason I'll never go to Telus. :thumbsup:

You've misunderstood the concept of these buckets. Think of them as a fine for going over. You don't want these buckets, nor are they for sale.

Once you go over, instead of Telus charging by the $/GB, they just give you a "bucket" of additional 50 GB for $5. This is also why the "bucket" is not carried over to your next billing cycle. You're not buying more GB for $5. You're being penalized $5, and the additional 50 GB is just a benchmark of your new limit before you get penalized again.

-----------------

I don't see a problem with this. While many people are upset about these overage charges and threatening to switch providers, it's fair and it makes sense. Why would someone paying less than me get just as much GB as me? And why would I get just as much as someone paying more? Every provider has their internet usage limits advertised before you sign up, so it's not like the limit is some fine-print scam.

It's more like internet limit is finally being enforced, after everyone has been accustomed to abusing it in the past.

IMO, Being docked only $5 for an additional 50 GB to play with is a good deal. If people are still going over 50+ GB on a regular basis, then they should just upgrade to a plan that offers a higher internet limit.

[melloman]

It's more like internet limit is finally being enforced, after everyone has been accustomed to abusing it in the past.

IMO, Being docked only $5 for an additional 50 GB to play with is a good deal. If people are still going over 50+ GB on a regular basis, then they should just upgrade to a plan that offers a higher internet limit.

Sugar coating it...

How about we look at it like: ISP's now have the technology to accurately track your data usage, and have randomly thought up a "fair" number per GB to charge you.

It's not like they don't make enough money off you to begin with, if they were actually struggling they would've implemented the overage-charges a long time ago..

They just want more money.

[AzNightmare]

Sugar coating it...

How about we look at it like: ISP's now have the technology to accurately track your data usage, and have randomly thought up a "fair" number per GB to charge you.

It's not like they don't make enough money off you to begin with, if they were actually struggling they would've implemented the overage-charges a long time ago..

They just want more money.

Are you referring to the price/GB on the plans or about the overage fee of the "bucket" $5/50GB ratio?

Let me ask you this. How much internet did you sign up for?
And are you exceeding that amount? It's really a black and white question here.

Maybe you can debate about the morale of them wanting more money or not, but isn't this how all successful businesses are run? The fact is, the internet limit was never a hidden fact. It's just that now it's being enforced, that's why people are upset. What did you think the internet limit were for??

Then again, I know exactly how much I need per billing cycle, and I pay for what I need and nothing more. So maybe that's why I'm not complaining.

I mean, I'm not using 400 GB a month on a 150 GB plan, and then complaining. :derp:
I must be missing something, but I don't understand why people are mad about not getting what they didn't pay for.

[Mr.Jay]

Max overcharge bill is also limited to $75 bucks.

I got students at my house so my monthly is over 600GB last time I check my usage so for $15 extra isnt that bad actually

[vixroar]

Shaw is going to be rolling this out as well.

Source?

[willystyle]

Broadband & High Speed Internet plans | Shaw.ca (http://www.shaw.ca/internet/plans/)

High Speed Internet service providers BC, Alberta | TELUS.com (http://www.telus.com/en/bc/internet/)
TELUS Unlimited Internet Data Plan | Add-ons | TELUS.com (http://www.telus.com/en/bc/internet/unlimited-data-usage/?INTCMP=InternetRiverflowUnlimitedData)
You can get unlimited internet for extra $15 as long as you have TV with them so is not so bad

TekSavvy - Cable (http://teksavvy.com/en/residential/internet/cable)
Internet | Novus (http://www.novusnow.ca/internet/)

Pretty much all the ISP in Vancouver have a cap of some sort......
CIK Telecom, Teksavvy, Distributel, and Lightspeed all offer unlimited internet packages at low prices (compared to Telus and Shaw). You guys just haven't looked hard enough. It will virtually be the same speeds as they all piggyback off of Telus and Shaw.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ just check techsavvy
They do have a usage system for the Cable50 84.95 it comes with a usage of 300GB per month. Unlimited Usage between 2am and 8am

For our cable customers we are offering unlimited usage between 2am and 8am. This allows our customers to download large items free of charge during this time period. Items downloaded during this time do not count toward your Bandwidth limit.

So they do have a limit as well.

A lot of these unlimited ISP works like Wind mobile. Is unlimited but once you hit a hard limit your speed will get reduce.
Also they all seem to have an activation fee and you have to buy the modem. So there is a up front cost and they aren't in every part of town.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?

[TOPEC]

Sugar coating it...

How about we look at it like: ISP's now have the technology to accurately track your data usage, and have randomly thought up a "fair" number per GB to charge you.

It's not like they don't make enough money off you to begin with, if they were actually struggling they would've implemented the overage-charges a long time ago..

They just want more money.

ISPs ALWAYS had the ability to track data usage, it was never strictly enforced cus most of the customers never really go over their data cap. it wasnt until the past few years where internet streaming service has become more and more popular, ppl r starting to use up more and more data. instead of ISPs just providing faster and faster, they should also increase data caps. look at ISPs out east, many of them offers fast speeds with unlimited data.

do u all get pissy for going over ur monthly cell phone minutes as well?! same idea.

[rageguy]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?

I live in a household with 6 people. Each has a computer and a smartphone, and some have a tablet too. I have 250GB per month from Telus.

250GB divided by 6 people, divided by 30 days in a month = 1.4GB per day per person

Now let's look at 1 person. This person games, streams on YouTube, maybe listen to SoundCloud here and there, and may pirate 1 or 2 movies a month. That person has an iPhone, goes on SnapChat, Instagram and so on. Downloads a few games on the App Store or iTunes Store. This is just 1 person. What about the other 5? Now you see how 250GB is inadequate.

[willystyle]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?
I torrent about 20GB/month, sharing my connection with 2 others in the family that stream daily and we hit about 400GB/month. It doesn't take much to get here. I question those that go over 1TB/month, and there are a few of those in this forum.

Like what I've mentioned in other threads, as technology advances, bandwidth delivery is cheaper on a yearly basis. We are already paying some of the highest fees for internet service in the world. Our internet services should be cheaper every year, with higher speeds and more bandwidth, instead it's heading the other direction. Straight price gouging.

[SoNaRWaVe]

or better yet, find out exactly when your cycle resets and set a threshold on the router to give you a warning or cut off the internet if you are not willing to pay.

if you ever read the fine print of your contract, it always had the clause to charge you usage that is over the cap. just because you were never charged doesn't mean its a right for you to go over. its a privilege to you that it was never enforced.

them charging you for over usage is just according to contract. take it as a bonus when you were never charged.

[HonestTea]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?

THIS.

[Manic!]

ISPs ALWAYS
do u all get pissy for going over ur monthly cell phone minutes as well?! same idea.

My cell phone company never used the word unlimited multiple times when I signed up, Shaw did.

Some one needs to design a program that will eat up all the bandwith you have left over each month.

[jlo mein]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?

Gizmodo calculated that 1080p Netflix streaming uses 4.7GB/hour. That's already 141GB/month for only watching Netflix one hour each day. Add in more time and other legal internet activities that have increasing bandwidth requirements (Youtube, Instagram, Facebook, RS users posting 70MB gifs) and it's easy to see how 500GB/month is possible.

[GC8]

You have a business hoping to make lots of money right? Before Netflix and other streaming services were around, data traffic wasn't too bad. But now its crazy! as jlo mein mentioned. Streaming services are now making big bucks off the backs of ISP. Netflix etc isnt giving a penny to ISP *correct me if I am wrong* who spends millions on upgrading and maintaining their network.

I currently use a 50MB plan which includes 400gb. Good thing my highest month is only 302GB in the past year.

[hypediss]

Adding to the point, revenue from tv services are dropping due to streaming services like netflix etc. As each of these telecom companies need to manage their bottom line you can bet that they start looking to monitor the usage of their customers and look to make up for the loss from their other lines of business through new pricing products and services.

It's the practice of a company that manages the shift in consumer behaviour. If you want unlimited bandwidth, then you should expect that the ISP will increase their pricing for those type of services as well.

[willystyle]

You have a business hoping to make lots of money right? Before Netflix and other streaming services were around, data traffic wasn't too bad. But now its crazy! as jlo mein mentioned. Streaming services are now making big bucks off the backs of ISP. Netflix etc isnt giving a penny to ISP *correct me if I am wrong* who spends millions on upgrading and maintaining their network.

I currently use a 50MB plan which includes 400gb. Good thing my highest month is only 302GB in the past year.
It doesn't cost much money to upgrade or maintain a ISP network. It cost the ISP 1 cent to deliver 1GB of data across their network these days (and that takes in account of all the expenses associated).

Adding to the point, revenue from tv services are dropping due to streaming services like netflix etc. As each of these telecom companies need to manage their bottom line you can bet that they start looking to monitor the usage of their customers and look to make up for the loss from their other lines of business through new pricing products and services.

It's the practice of a company that manages the shift in consumer behaviour. If you want unlimited bandwidth, then you should expect that the ISP will increase their pricing for those type of services as well.
This may be true, but I don't agree with such practices. That's a terrible excuse, particularly if you look at Asia and Europe, where their network is far more congested, but can deliver 1GBps, unlimited bandwidth for $30 per month. Heck, I think most of us would pay for that even if it cost $60/month here.

[AzNightmare]

If you guys are sharing bandwidth with 6 people at home... Maybe it's not asking for much to fork out $2.50 each/month to get the unlimited package... lol.


or better yet, find out exactly when your cycle resets and set a threshold on the router to give you a warning or cut off the internet if you are not willing to pay.


Telus:
Going forward, we’ll also notify you by email when you have:
Reached 75% of your data allowance
Reached 95% of your data allowance, and
Exceeded your data allowance

[GC8]

It doesn't cost much money to upgrade or maintain a ISP network. It cost the ISP 1 cent to deliver 1GB of data across their network these days (and that takes in account of all the expenses associated).


This may be true, but I don't agree with such practices. That's a terrible excuse, particularly if you look at Asia and Europe, where their network is far more congested, but can deliver 1GBps, unlimited bandwidth for $30 per month. Heck, I think most of us would pay for that even if it cost $60/month here.

TELUS investing $3 billion in B.C. over next three years (http://about.telus.com/community/english/news_centre/news_releases/blog/2012/03/02/telus-investing-3-billion-in-bc-over-next-three-years)

That is a lot to me

[Klondike]

Just a heads up, Optik TV doesn't count for data. I have a 150GB cap so I just PVR all the shows I want to watch.

I don't stream youtube in HD anymore. Doesn't really bother me. Last month I was 4GB under my cap.

On the flip side, internet and 'cable'/optik have been very steady.

[GC8]

Just a heads up, Optik TV doesn't count for data. I have a 150GB cap so I just PVR all the shows I want to watch.

I don't stream youtube in HD anymore. Doesn't really bother me. Last month I was 4GB under my cap.

On the flip side, internet and 'cable'/optik have been very steady.

Correct and to be more specific Netflix app or any apps on OPTIKTV do count as data

[RickyTan3]

So the fucked up the thing is TV internet cap is combined.

My home, mom and dad do mostly tv watching and they exceeded the cap.

IMO that is not fair

[Manic!]

Just a heads up, Optik TV doesn't count for data. I have a 150GB cap so I just PVR all the shows I want to watch.

I don't stream youtube in HD anymore. Doesn't really bother me. Last month I was 4GB under my cap.

On the flip side, internet and 'cable'/optik have been very steady.

So your ISP is forcing you to chang how you use the internet. That is just crap.

[carisear]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?


porn. duh.

but everything is huge these days. I just downloaded win10 upgrade for my phone, and that was already 1.5gb ... and another version is coming out in a week .. that'll be 3 gb just for updating OS on my phone.

my steam folder is something like 1tb. I have everything set to autopatch. everytime I turn on my damn ps3 it takes hours to update -- I'm guessing multiple gb of updates ...

[willystyle]

TELUS investing $3 billion in B.C. over next three years (http://about.telus.com/community/english/news_centre/news_releases/blog/2012/03/02/telus-investing-3-billion-in-bc-over-next-three-years)

That is a lot to me

U realize a good chunk of that is going towards Telus Garden, which has zero impact on end consumers Internet data speed and use of bandwidth right?

Also, the article indicates that Telus is also trying to bring the world's fastest speeds.. What does that even mean without a figure? It means nothing.

Unless they have all the specifics written down. The article means nothing but attempting to boast its image.

Edit: article was taken from Telus. I think that's pretty self explanatory.

[CrispyChicken]

I rarely download any torrents, capped my usage from strictly using Netflix, damn that thing can eat up a lot of data

[trip]

netflix gives you the best quality based on your current internet speeds.
try changing that setting

[Soundy]

can i ask what the fuck you guys are downloading to use up 200-500gigs a month?

Revscene. :pokerface:

[TOPEC]

My cell phone company never used the word unlimited multiple times when I signed up, Shaw did.

Some one needs to design a program that will eat up all the bandwith you have left over each month.

thats interesting, when was this? growing up with dial up, ive always known there was somewhat of a limit to access the internet. from how many hours u get with dial up each month, to how much bandwidth u get with broadband.

[willystyle]

Ever wonder why 4K videos have had such a SLOW adoption and will likely not come to fruition over 1080P?

One 4K stream on Youtube requires a 25Mbps downstream. The average internet speed (both urban and rural in Canada) is half of that speed. Rural Canada is even more ridiculous, their average speed is like 1.5Mbps.

The US is pushing their internet speed to 25Mbps by 2019 as a national standard (which is still pretty damn sad on a global scale). Guess what our federal government is aiming for?

5Mbps by 2019.

While the rest of the world has already exceeded 100Mbps and hitting 1Gbps in most developed countries. Don't think of this in small means such as being able to stream 4K, or download slightly faster. This will have detrimental affects on technological innovations in Canada in the long-term. This will be the downfall of our tech economy in the long run due to our government's shortsightedness.

On a consumer-level, this is also one of the reasons why we are being gouged left and right, as our telecommunication sector is virtually closed, without any foreign investments, and government's lack of care to invest in infrastructure.

/rant

FCC's new broadband internet target leaves Canada behind - Technology & Science - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fcc-s-new-broadband-internet-target-leaves-canada-behind-1.2938440)

[SoNaRWaVe]

If you guys are sharing bandwidth with 6 people at home... Maybe it's not asking for much to fork out $2.50 each/month to get the unlimited package... lol.




Telus:
Going forward, we’ll also notify you by email when you have:
Reached 75% of your data allowance
Reached 95% of your data allowance, and
Exceeded your data allowance

thats nice but only the account holder will get that notice. and then the account holder will have to tell everyone in the household.

for the less savvy person, they wouldn't have the slightest clue on how much data they have left. i guess its just easier to tell everyone to chip in more per month if thats the case

[twitchyzero]

if you live under that household you can be added to the notification e-mail list, doesn't have to be account holder AFAIK

i'm gonna have a real first world problem between june and august when they bring back student promo...my 8tb drive just came in so brb while i dl 240GB/day for the month of may :lol

[Mr.HappySilp]

Ever wonder why 4K videos have had such a SLOW adoption and will likely not come to fruition over 1080P?

One 4K stream on Youtube requires a 25Mbps downstream. The average internet speed (both urban and rural in Canada) is half of that speed. Rural Canada is even more ridiculous, their average speed is like 1.5Mbps.

The US is pushing their internet speed to 25Mbps by 2019 as a national standard (which is still pretty damn sad on a global scale). Guess what our federal government is aiming for?

5Mbps by 2019.

While the rest of the world has already exceeded 100Mbps and hitting 1Gbps in most developed countries. Don't think of this in small means such as being able to stream 4K, or download slightly faster. This will have detrimental affects on technological innovations in Canada in the long-term. This will be the downfall of our tech economy in the long run due to our government's shortsightedness.

On a consumer-level, this is also one of the reasons why we are being gouged left and right, as our telecommunication sector is virtually closed, without any foreign investments, and government's lack of care to invest in infrastructure.

/rant

FCC's new broadband internet target leaves Canada behind - Technology & Science - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fcc-s-new-broadband-internet-target-leaves-canada-behind-1.2938440)

Do you know how much it cost just to lay fiber? Is a lot more than you think also Canada is a pretty big country unlike some of the places like Asian (HK, China, Japan).

[willystyle]

Do you know how much it cost just to lay fiber? Is a lot more than you think also Canada is a pretty big country unlike some of the places like Asian (HK, China, Japan).
Most of the major cities in Canada are already laid out with fiber (Fiber-To-The-Node). Only issue is telecommunication companies are too cheap (and lacking a standard from the federal government - read the article above) to lay out the "last mile".

Correct me if I am wrong, but you work for Novus, so I understand your opinion may be bias.

The cost of fiber cable has been coming down in price tremendously in the last decade. There's absolutely no reason why our internet speed is slower than countries like Nigeria and Uganda. This is how pathetic and embarrassing of a state we are in.

Cost of Fibre Optic Cable: $120USD/KM (Average)
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/high-quality-factory-non-armore-outdoor_596495932.html?s=p

[Ludepower]

The infrastructure is already set up for these huge telecom companies...it cost pennies to deliver data.

This is pure price gouging.

[Manic!]

thats interesting, when was this? growing up with dial up, ive always known there was somewhat of a limit to access the internet. from how many hours u get with dial up each month, to how much bandwidth u get with broadband.

It was when Shaw internet first came to town. They had this big open house at a local high school and the guy kept saying unlimited internet. Years later they said the guy meant unlimited connection to the the internet not unlimited bandwidth.

I wonder if using Shomi or Crave TV counts towards the cap? Bell tried to to that with cellphones buy not charging data for people live streaming TV from there app but got shut down by the CRTC. But thats wherewe are heading use there service and data does not count use something like YouTube and your cap takes a hit.

Remember in the 80's when it use to cost a buck a minute to call the east cost and you had to rent or buy a phone from the telco? The government opened up competition and the prices dropped over night. I remember a company doing 10 cents a minute the another company doing 7 cents then someone doing 5 cents now it's a penny or less a minute. The government needs to do something so there can be actual competition.

[Ronin]

I bitched a little on social media and called to cancel, genuinely ready to go to Teksavvy, when Telus said they would upgrade my account to unlimited bandwidth for free.

But keep in mind I've had a Telus high speed account since 1998.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Most of the major cities in Canada are already laid out with fiber (Fiber-To-The-Node). Only issue is telecommunication companies are too cheap (and lacking a standard from the federal government - read the article above) to lay out the "last mile".

Correct me if I am wrong, but you work for Novus, so I understand your opinion may be bias.

The cost of fiber cable has been coming down in price tremendously in the last decade. There's absolutely no reason why our internet speed is slower than countries like Nigeria and Uganda. This is how pathetic and embarrassing of a state we are in.

Cost of Fibre Optic Cable: $120USD/KM (Average)
High Quality Factory Non-armore Outdoor Fiber Optic Cable Gyfxy - Buy Non-armore Fiber Optic Cable,Fiber Optic Cable,Fiber Optic Cable For Cctv Product on Alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/high-quality-factory-non-armore-outdoor_596495932.html?s=p)

Is not as easy as you think. Bigger companies like Shaw have had help from the gov way back in the ways to lay their network. Private company like us don't really have much help. A lot of the times we have to rent our bier from other companies or build our own (btw is not cheap like the link you provided). Also the wiring in your building (if you live in an apartment) matters as well. Some of the building are wired with crappy cate3 cable you are lucky to even get 10Mbps download. Newer building have less issues.

I can't say how much it cost of lay new fibers to new areas but it is in 5 digits for a few km. So you can image how costly it can be just to upgrade to some areas where there is only a small number of people. It is not worth the investment. That's why we only do high raise and apartments that's very close together to save cost.

[Soundy]

The cost of fiber cable has been coming down in price tremendously in the last decade. There's absolutely no reason why our internet speed is slower than countries like Nigeria and Uganda. This is how pathetic and embarrassing of a state we are in.

Cost of Fibre Optic Cable: $120USD/KM (Average)
High Quality Factory Non-armore Outdoor Fiber Optic Cable Gyfxy - Buy Non-armore Fiber Optic Cable,Fiber Optic Cable,Fiber Optic Cable For Cctv Product on Alibaba.com (http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/high-quality-factory-non-armore-outdoor_596495932.html?s=p)


I can't say how much it cost of lay new fibers to new areas but it is in 5 digits for a few km. So you can image how costly it can be just to upgrade to some areas where there is only a small number of people. It is not worth the investment. That's why we only do high raise and apartments that's very close together to save cost.
First of all, I doubt Shaw, Bell and Telus are logging in to Alibaba to buy shitty cheap Chinese cable... :fulloffuck:

Second, that's just the price of the cable. Never mind things like shipping and import duties, since they're probably buying in Canada (or at least within North America)... there's still all the manpower to lay it, the equipment, the trucks... it's not like the cable guy coming to your house, sticking a splitter in the junction box, and stapling a new coax to the siding to add an outlet to your bathroom. You can't just splice a piece of fibre with a couple of crimp connectors.

EDIT: also, Uganda has 40 million people in 236,000 square km (136 people per km^2); Nigeria has 180 million in just under a million km (167 people per km^2). Both are a relatively small area to wire up, with a lot of people to split the cost of it.

Canada has barely 35 million people packed tight into nearly nine million square km - that's 3.4 people to every km^2. If you want the same service and want to split the cost across its users... they're going to have to pay a fuckton more. And yes, I realize that most of the population is clustered along the south border... doesn't change the fact that those connections have to cross a LOT of open space, and there's not nearly as many people to pay for it.

[TouringTeg]

I signed up for unlimited last month. 4 person household (2 up and 2 tenants down).
Our tenants love Netflix so it's common we go over 200 gb

$10 per month but they gave us a loyalty discount of $5 off for 6 month. May as well ask for it.

For those with a suite thinking of ditching telus. Shaw charges a $25 suite fee if they know you have one.

[Moneyteam]

You have a business hoping to make lots of money right? Before Netflix and other streaming services were around, data traffic wasn't too bad. But now its crazy! as jlo mein mentioned. Streaming services are now making big bucks off the backs of ISP. Netflix etc isnt giving a penny to ISP *correct me if I am wrong* who spends millions on upgrading and maintaining their network.

I currently use a 50MB plan which includes 400gb. Good thing my highest month is only 302GB in the past year.

Honestly, I don't disagree that Telus can charge what they want. If you don't like it, switch to another provider. But to suggest that streaming services like Netflix owe such a debt of gratitude to ISP's like Telus sounds a bit biased or one-sided. I have a friend who is considering paying telus to increase their allowable data usage as they are going over their limit DUE to Netflix. So the question is, who is generating revenue for whom? :)

[willystyle]

Is not as easy as you think. Bigger companies like Shaw have had help from the gov way back in the ways to lay their network. Private company like us don't really have much help.
When I mentioned telecommunication sector, I was referring to the big 3, not small telecoms.

A lot of the times we have to rent our bier from other companies or build our own (btw is not cheap like the link you provided). Also the wiring in your building (if you live in an apartment) matters as well. Some of the building are wired with crappy cate3 cable you are lucky to even get 10Mbps download. Newer building have less issues.

I can't say how much it cost of lay new fibers to new areas but it is in 5 digits for a few km. So you can image how costly it can be just to upgrade to some areas where there is only a small number of people. It is not worth the investment. That's why we only do high raise and apartments that's very close together to save cost.
As I've said, much of this cost could be split between the major telecoms and the federal government. If we only get the urban areas all linked up, the cost is not that high.

First of all, I doubt Shaw, Bell and Telus are logging in to Alibaba to buy shitty cheap Chinese cable... :fulloffuck:
.....Yeah because everything made in China is shitty and cheap. :rolleyes:

Second, that's just the price of the cable. Never mind things like shipping and import duties, since they're probably buying in Canada (or at least within North America)...
Since Chinese-made products are shitty and cheap, and that they will likely purchase an American-made product, why would you need to worry about tariffs? That's what NAFTA is for.

there's still all the manpower to lay it, the equipment, the trucks... it's not like the cable guy coming to your house, sticking a splitter in the junction box, and stapling a new coax to the siding to add an outlet to your bathroom. You can't just splice a piece of fibre with a couple of crimp connectors.
Most of the time when telecommunication companies lay fibre, they wait and collaborate with city workers to put in fibre while they are doing maintenance work on sewage and underground pipes. In this case, the cost of excavating, equipment rental, so on and so forth, is not an expense for the telecommunication company right? You should look up how Google Fibre does it in the states.

EDIT: also, Uganda has 40 million people in 236,000 square km (136 people per km^2); Nigeria has 180 million in just under a million km (167 people per km^2). Both are a relatively small area to wire up, with a lot of people to split the cost of it.

Canada has barely 35 million people packed tight into nearly nine million square km - that's 3.4 people to every km^2. If you want the same service and want to split the cost across its users... they're going to have to pay a fuckton more. And yes, I realize that most of the population is clustered along the south border... doesn't change the fact that those connections have to cross a LOT of open space, and there's not nearly as many people to pay for it.
I disagree with your argument. I believe that the cost to put this in place is not as high as you state. And obviously, the big telecoms CEO's would use the same excuse as you just stated that the population isn't big enough for it to sustain fibre. Currently, there's no incentive for the big telecoms to further advance internet technology. No need to invest more money in infrastructure when they charge us $80 for a monthly plan, when it costs them $3 to deliver that service (notice the markup here?).

Obviously, if we left it up to the Big 3 to charge us for true fibre optic, without any regulation, competition (it doesn't exist currently in canada, what we have here is an oligopoly) and oversight from the government, they'd charge us an arm and a leg. In which this case, fibre optic would never be sustainable by their accord.

Shaw:

60Mbps/400GB Cap
=$90/month

If they put in fibre, and have unlimited bandwidth and a 1GBps, we would have the most expensive 1GBps plan on this planet based on how our big telecoms gouge us now with copper-based wire, so by logic, it obviously wouldn't be sustainable by the average Canadian, based on how they charge us now. LOL!

[!LittleDragon]

Would be great if they just charge for what is used like many other things. Like 15c per gig. I don't mind paying more for the months I use a lot and the months I use less, I can save a few bucks.

[Soundy]

Most of the time when telecommunication companies lay fibre, they wait and collaborate with city workers to put in fibre while they are doing maintenance work on sewage and underground pipes. In this case, the cost of excavating, equipment rental, so on and so forth, is not an expense for the telecommunication company right? You should look up how Google Fibre does it in the states.
That's fine within the cities. What about when you want to connect Vancouver to Toronto and need to cross 4,000km of empty prairies?

I disagree with your argument. I believe that the cost to put this in place is not as high as you state.
I didn't state any cost.

And obviously, the big telecoms CEO's would use the same excuse as you just stated that the population isn't big enough for it to sustain fibre.
I also never said the population wasn't big enough to support fibre. I'm saying the population DENSITY isn't enough to support large-scale fibre at a cost the customers will accept. And when the customers have whined enough that the government clamps all kinds of caps and restrictions on what they can charge, it really limits the attractiveness of making that investment.

Currently, there's no incentive for the big telecoms to further advance internet technology. No need to invest more money in infrastructure when they charge us $80 for a monthly plan, when it costs them $3 to deliver that service (notice the markup here?).
There's no incentive to invest money in MASSIVELY EXPANDED infrastructure when they're not allowed to charge any more for it.

CAN they do it? Sure. What's their incentive? Why would they WANT to?

[willystyle]

That's fine within the cities. What about when you want to connect Vancouver to Toronto and need to cross 4,000km of empty prairies?

It's called the internet backbone. That aspect is already in place. Like I've said, it's the "last mile" where they're not willing to invest. They as in the government and the oligopoly.

There's no incentive to invest money in MASSIVELY EXPANDED infrastructure when they're not allowed to charge any more for it.
That's the problem! You can't gouge more than you're already gouging.

What's their incentive? Why would they WANT to?
No incentive for the big corporations, but tons for the federal government; however, there's no will to get it done, hence my rant!

Do we need it? Yes
Is it sustainable? I believe so
Will it make more profit for the big 3? Probably not!

You made the comment that it's not sustainable to build it, and I'm saying that it does, as long as we are charged reasonably for it. However, there's no such thing as reasonable pricing when it comes to internet access in Canada based on our current organizational structure and obsolete draconian policy's.

[twitchyzero]

I bitched a little on social media and called to cancel, genuinely ready to go to Teksavvy, when Telus said they would upgrade my account to unlimited bandwidth for free.

But keep in mind I've had a Telus high speed account since 1998.

also had DSL with them since 97...haha will use this as ammo.

Do you have all 3 in a bundle or just internet?

[Presto]

^^^
call them and ask to talk to retentions. That's the department that can do anything for you.
Let them make the offer. They want to keep you.

[Manic!]

Would be great if they just charge for what is used like many other things. Like 15c per gig. I don't mind paying more for the months I use a lot and the months I use less, I can save a few bucks.

LOL that will never happen. They don't even let you roll over data.