[westopher]

Highway 99 Crash: Alleged Impaired Driver Kills Cyclists, Passenger Near Whistler (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/31/2-cyclists-1-passenger-k_n_7480930.html?&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063)

This is fucking brutal. FailFish
Still investigating wether the driver was in fact intoxicated, but a horrible outcome all around.
PEMBERTON, B.C. - Three people are dead after a man, who police believe was impaired, drove into a group of cyclists out for a weekend ride northeast of Whistler, B.C.

RCMP said they received a call from a witness about a driver crashing into three people cycling along Highway 99 around noon on Sunday, killing two of them, along with the vehicle's sole passenger.

The condition of the third cyclist was unknown, said RCMP Staff Sgt. Steve LeClair.


"The problem is the area is relatively remote with no cell phone coverage and spotty radio reception," he said. "We do have a collision-investigation team on scene, as well as our local members and the coroner."

LeClair suggested reports the driver was impaired at the time of the crash were based on observations from witnesses and police officers at the scene.

"I don't know what the particulars of that are but I suspect it's based on their observations and their experience," he said.

One officer accompanied the driver as he was airlifted to a hospital in Vancouver.

The Mounties have not released the names of anyone involved in the accident.

The families of the two cyclists who were killed have been notified, said LeClair, but the identity of the deceased passenger has yet to be confirmed.

No charges have been laid, however, police say the investigation is ongoing.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Being drunk at noonFailFish.
Killing 3 people, jesus I hope he kills himself out of guilt

[westopher]

I hope he stays alive long enough to have the remorse absolutely destroy him first. Prison can be a fate worse than death for some.

[melloman]

I'm confused.. he hit 3 cyclists, killed 2 of them.. and the passenger in the vehicle died..

No pictures or story of what happened to the car? Drove off the side of the road and went flying into a ditch?? Only thing I can think of how the passenger died..

[multicartual]

Guy will get like 3 years, tops

[Hot Karl]

cycling is the lamest extreme sport there is.

all the danger, none of the speed, no real air time, zero chance to dodge, survival is dumb luck. it's a fucking hamster wheel.

and you get to deal with all the idiots on the road. it sounds like a delightful stress free exercise routine on THE SIDE OF A FUCKING HIGHWAY.

whenever you drive, you accept the fact that it's entirely possible some drunk runs a red light and smokes you. that is the reality of being on the roads. so i have no love for idiots who choose to occupy the same roads but on a bike guaranteeing certain injury and near death if anything goes down.

we're all doing an activity that requires safety equipment. if you choose to forgo yours, and pay the price, then go fuck yourself.

[multicartual]

it sounds like a delightful stress free exercise routine on THE SIDE OF A FUCKING HIGHWAY.


Sigh, retard

[Sneaky]

cycling is the lamest extreme sport there is.

:failed:

>TFW no fail button

[originalhypa]

Sigh, retard

Doesn't he know, you never go full retard?
FailFish


But homeboy makes a point that I think needs to be made.
Last week I rode my mtn bike from Whistler Village to Function Junction for beer reasons. I took the valley trail which runs about 7km. The problem is, it doesn't go the full distance to FJ. Long story short, I was forced to ride a km along the highway. Sure, there's a pseudo bike lane/shoulder, but I also nearly got smoked by some dickfart in an F150. Good thing I had a mtn bike, because I had to hop into the shallow ditch when he occupied my area. silly douche was probably on his cel......

Bottom line, I tell my kids that it's dangerous to be on the side of the highway, but lots of parents obviously don't offer the same lesson. While I'm watching for anything while I drive, some people just don't. Do the cyclists deserve what they get? No fucking way, that's a stupid statement to make. But you don't need to do the math to know that a bicycle travelling at 45kmh getting hit by a car at 100kmh isn't going to end well for the cyclist.

RIP.

[jasonturbo]

Day drunk, that shit cray.

I'm pretty sure you get a stiff fine for this sort of thing in Alberta.

What an ignorant cunt, shame we don't believe in capital punishment, I'm all for a zero tolerance approach to drinking and driving, I see it as being an effective tool in preventing this shit.

Edit: I'm a bit assumption heavy, he might not have been drunk, could have been high etc.

[Hot Karl]

bike all you want, it doesn't affect me besides the annoyance of the bike lanes.

go walk on the side of a highway for a bit. it's sketchy as fuck with cars whipping by at 100km. but being on a bike is so much safer. in fact it's so safe i'll do this highway ride 2-3 times a week.
why would i use a bike trail? or any other fucking road. let's find literally the fastest roads i can, so i can exercise on the side of them. why not have your kids just play catch on the side of the highway then?

cyclists always cry about how dangerous and inattentive drivers are in the city. then why the fuck would you go onto a roadway with these same drivers but at double the speeds. fucking hypocrite cyclists.

i'm a retard. i'll be the retard stuck in traffic and you can call me a retard as they scoop you into a ziploc bag while your family gets to find out all about arranging a funeral.

saw these great cop commercials in alberta. "you can be right, but what good is that if you're dead."

maybe you can have a law named after you! that'll be comforting to everyone you leave behind.

[jasonturbo]

bike all you want, it doesn't affect me besides the annoyance of the bike lanes.

go walk on the side of a highway for a bit. it's sketchy as fuck with cars whipping by at 100km. but being on a bike is so much safer. in fact it's so safe i'll do this highway ride 2-3 times a week.

cyclists always cry about how dangerous and inattentive drivers are in the city. then why the fuck would you go onto a roadway with these same drivers but at double the speeds. fucking hypocrite cyclists.


Bikers who are biking because that is their method of transportation have the right to complain about drivers... But those that are biking on the roads for the sake of leisure or sport (not to get from point a to point b) should not be using the road IMO.

To me it's comparable to playing basketball on the road etc.

If anything I feel like bikes should share side walks with pedestrians, the consequences of a biker hitting a pedestrian are likely less severe than a car hitting a cyclist etc.

[Nssan]

It seems the tables have turned and this has become 'blame the riders'. How many times when you were driving, you were more scared of the cyclist on the side of the road then they were? So normally, a sober driver would have taken precautions to make sure there was enough room for both to occupy the road. Obviously, the reason this tragedy happened was because this driver was not sober and did not properly handle the vehicle.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Bikers who are biking because that is their method of transportation have the right to complain about drivers... But those that are biking on the roads for the sake of leisure or sport (not to get from point a to point b) should not be using the road IMO.

To me it's comparable to playing basketball on the road etc.

If anything I feel like bikes should share side walks with pedestrians, the consequences of a biker hitting a pedestrian are likely less severe than a car hitting a cyclist etc.
Cyclists complain about everything yet they're the ones who don't adhere to the laws of the road. No offence to anyone here who bikes but in the lm all I see are bikes weaving in and out of traffic and running red lights. Its starting to be like Taiwan here. Except there they don't even run red lights..

[yray]

mt currie stretch of the 99 is 50km/h and narrow as fuck

[BoostedBB6]

There is 0 confirmation of impaired driving, simply a witness assuming based upon how the vehicle was operated. So to assume he was drunk is not really fair.

There is so little information to go on from this article to judge anything. For all we know, the onlooker could have seen him trying to avoid a biker who was falling over, swerved, hit 2 bikers and went down an embankment killing his passenger and injuring him.....just saying that there is to little to know anything other than 3 dead and one injured.

[westopher]

At the very least, for him to kill 2 cyclists AND the passenger that was in the car, on a stretch of road that was 50km/h, its safe to say there was gross recklessness involved to some degree.

[canali]

see the latest news update/pics/video below;

Cyclists in deadly Pemberton collision identified | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/cyclists-in-deadly-pemberton-collision-identified-1.2400799)

check out the damage to the car: 2 cyclists coming down a long descent FAST into a car that is coming towards them
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/cyclists-killed-in-pemberton-crash-mourned-by-friends-1.2400799

seems that one or both of the riders crashed right into the passengers's side
....someone in a passenger seat in that car would have been smoked with such forces coming at them.

..news reports indicate that the cyclists were on a long and fast descent when this driver, going uphill, crossed lanes and slammed into them....what a mess, I'm sure.

another alleged drunk driver takes down a few more...toss the book--and hard!-- at em.
no one, whether it be thru booze, meds or weed, should be driving impaired, endangering the lives of others.

[Hondaracer]

You can kill your own three kids in cold blood in this province and be out cruising for chicks at metro on day passes in 3 years. Nothing of consequence will happen in this backward fucking system

[flagella]

While Hot Karl's comments are pretty harsh, I do agree with what he said in terms of accepting the risk when biking. This is actually one of the reasons I never got into motorcycle although I very much wanted to. I'm definitely not a fan of taking risks, particularly when it involves taking risks that are not in my control (all it takes is some idiot driver who fails to notice you to kill you). This is truly a sad incident and I hope the driver gets his rectum resized in prison, but the moment these cyclists decided to cycle on highways, they have accepted such risk.

[murd0c]

I just confirmed the guy that hit them was drunk, he required brain surgery today

[Jmac]

I dislike cyclists as much as the next motorist, but the complete lack of empathy is appalling.

[Hondaracer]

the driver was already suspended for DUI and wasnt suppose to be driving, couple native guys from pemberton kill "staples of the community" from whistler, nice

[Y2K_o__o]

I hope he stays alive long enough to have the remorse absolutely destroy him first. Prison can be a fate worse than death for some.

No way!
our medical expense is really heavy now
Letting him alive is just a burden to our bill

[GS8]

I just confirmed the guy that hit them was drunk, he required brain surgery today

Should have had brain surgery before he decided drinking and driving was a-ok

[multicartual]

the driver was already suspended for DUI and wasnt suppose to be driving, couple native guys from pemberton kill "staples of the community" from whistler, nice



Why is it never "Doctor accidentally runs over two career criminals and paralyzes rapist"?


Thank god for selling porn and doing drugs, I'll live forever!!! FailFish

[Tone Loc]

It seems the tables have turned and this has become 'blame the riders'. How many times when you were driving, you were more scared of the cyclist on the side of the road then they were? So normally, a sober driver would have taken precautions to make sure there was enough room for both to occupy the road. Obviously, the reason this tragedy happened was because this driver was not sober and did not properly handle the vehicle.

Maybe I am in the minority here, but oftentimes I am more worried about the behavior of cyclists than cars. Simply because maybe, MAYBE 5% of cars drive "unpredictably" whereas the percentage of cyclists who ride unpredictably (i.e., running red lights, stop signs, swerving around pedestrians crossing the street, riding on the sidewalk or on crosswalks) is much higher... sure, the likelihood of them damaging my car is a lot lower, but when you consider that cyclists do not have insurance or a license, and are 100% able to run away without providing identification for insurance purposes, it's a pretty shitty proposition to be in a collision with a cyclist.

[multicartual]

the percentage of cyclists who ride unpredictably (i.e., running red lights, stop signs, swerving around pedestrians crossing the street, riding on the sidewalk or on crosswalks) is much higher...


If you removed crackheads from the equation, at least downtown, you'd remove 90% of the problem.

5% are hot, distracted chick riders
5% are stoned hipsters :whistle:

[GLOW]

If you removed crackheads from the equation, at least downtown, you'd remove 90% of the problem.

5% are hot, distracted chick riders
5% are stoned hipsters :whistle:

+/-1% degree of variance to account for the 1% hot, distracted, stoned chick hipsters?

[originalhypa]

+/-1% degree of variance to account for the 1% hot, distracted, stoned chick hipsters?

We leave those for bcrdukes.
His milkshake brings all the hipsters to the yard.

[GLOW]

We leave those for bcrdukes.
His milkshake brings all the hipsters to the yard.

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/My-Milkshake-Brings-All-The-Boys-To-The-Yard.gif

[Amuse]

I thought helmets were mandatory for cyclists in BC in the late 90's? What happened to that law?

[canali]

update on driver...seems the impaired driver (sam alec or alek)
was suspended from driving for a 130 day DUI already
...how do you say ''Fucked!''?

http://www.lillooetnews.net/news/local-news/local-man-identified-as-driver-in-triple-fatality-1.1954667

Details emerge about deadly cyclist accident | Watch News Videos Online (http://globalnews.ca/video/2030426/details-emerge-about-deadly-cyclist-accident/)

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/cyclists-killed-in-pemberton-crash-mourned-by-friends-1.2400799

"Some media outlets are reporting that the driver, Sam (aka Farmer) Alec had been
sentenced to 144 days in jail and was still prohibited from driving at the time of the crash."

both the driver and passenger are members of some lillooet first nations band

[GLOW]

inb4 pleads not guilty.

[Hondaracer]

But his homeless friends who were interviewed out front of convenient stores said he was a good person, so that's all that really matters

[6o4__boi]

inb4 he gets some sort of shit conditional sentence
and appeals it
and probably win

[azncreationz]

I thought helmets were mandatory for cyclists in BC in the late 90's? What happened to that law?

Nothing happened to that law, still in existence, just like seatbelts are mandatory, not drinking & driving, not txting & driving are mandatory as well.
I don't think the helmets would have saved these cyclists from a head on impact. Also, they were descending a downhill at a high rate of speed. And fyi, most, if not all, serious road cyclists are wearing helmets, especially these two since they belong to a club.

[canali]

i saw that too: but they're talking about the passenger who also died (st pierre?), i believe. if
referring to the news clip i provided: nothing mentioned of the driver, community wise, other than both same native band
...at least i didn't hear anything.

But his homeless friends who were interviewed out front of convenient stores said he was a good person, so that's all that really matters

[underscore]

It seems the tables have turned and this has become 'blame the riders'. How many times when you were driving, you were more scared of the cyclist on the side of the road then they were? So normally, a sober driver would have taken precautions to make sure there was enough room for both to occupy the road. Obviously, the reason this tragedy happened was because this driver was not sober and did not properly handle the vehicle.

Not so much scared of the cyclist, but scared for them. A lot of cyclists put themselves in very dangerous places with seemingly no concern. They can also be a danger without actually hitting anything simply by causing others to perform evasive maneuvers to avoid them.

Now in this case it sounds more likely to have been a wrong place at the wrong time sort of scenario, given that the passenger in the vehicle was killed, but it's hard to say without more information.

[Galactic_Phantom]

I thought helmets were mandatory for cyclists in BC in the late 90's? What happened to that law?

:fuckthatshit: rules don't apply to those special chosen ones.

Not being racist but is he aboriginal? If so 604_boi might actually be right

[ImportPsycho]

I dont know how ppl ride bicycles on the roads. Are you not scared some noob driver gona hit you with side mirror? If i have to ride bicycle, sidewalk is where ill stay unless cycle lane is there

How many drivers get stressed whenever they have to pass cyclists?

[xeryusx]

I dont know how ppl ride bicycles on the roads. Are you not scared some noob driver gona hit you with side mirror? If i have to ride bicycle, sidewalk is where ill stay unless cycle lane is there

How many drivers get stressed whenever they have to pass cyclists?

Thank you.

I know I don't ride anywhere near the amount of time regular bikers do, but if I do have to get on one, I use the sidewalk.

Fuck those who give me sour looks like I'm in their way. Rather be that than dead.

The bicycle community in Vancouver (I say Vancouver because this is where I live) is a little too entitled. And I understand their position; we have bike lanes throughout the city made specially for them. But at its very basic point, a car, even the smallest one (forTwo's) that is ALL metal/steel/HARDERFUCKINGMATERIALSTHANHUMAN. You're sitting on a bike without ANYTHING protecting you. You can take all the precautions in the world but when idiots, 2000lb rolling metal box and alcohol are involved, all bets are off. IE: this terribly sad situation.

Just be more aware out there bikers.

/2cents

[corollagtSr5]

It's illegal to bicycle on the sidewalk. You have to take your chances with the road ragers. VPD nabs 733 sidewalk cyclists (http://www.vancourier.com/news/vpd-nabs-733-sidewalk-cyclists-1.1937093)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8toxPvpciJc

[ImportPsycho]

It's illegal to bicycle on the sidewalk. You have to take your chances with the road ragers. VPD nabs 733 sidewalk cyclists (http://www.vancourier.com/news/vpd-nabs-733-sidewalk-cyclists-1.1937093)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8toxPvpciJc

I dont see why it needs to ILLEGAL.
outside of DT core and maybe Broadway, how often do you see ppl walking on the sidewalks? most sidewalks are deserted.


http://former.vancouver.ca/bylaws/2849c.PDF#page=35
No person shall ride any bicycle upon any sidewalk except where posted by signs.

[canali]

Driver in crash that killed Whistler cyclists had suspended licence for drunk driving - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/driver-in-crash-that-killed-whistler-cyclists-had-suspended-licence-for-drunk-driving-1.3097680)
History of impaired driving

The driver has a history of previous convictions for impaired driving and driving when his licence was suspended.

February 2007: Arrested for impaired driving in Fort St. John and convicted later that year. Sentenced in 2008 to a one-year driving prohibition.
December 2008: Arrested for driving with a suspended licence in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 30 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
October 2009: Arrested for impaired driving in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 60 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
April 2011: Arrested for operating a motor vehicle while disqualified in Lillooet. Sentenced later that year to 45 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
March 2014: Arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level over .08, and operating a motor vehicle while disqualified. Sentenced in October 2014 to 144 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition on the first count, and 120 days in jail on the second count.

wow, this sam alec driver dude is now in the shitter for sure...and only brings more light to our lame ass laws for repeat dui offenders.

if he is truly an alcoholic, then what can the system do to see people like this get help to ensure they're on the way to recovery...so that there is no repeat offence scenario ad nauseum leading to his sort of unnecessary carnage.

on the other hand, I guess you can't really 'recover' unless you truly want to...am pretty sure now he'll ''want to'', but little too late with the heart breaking devastation and damage already done.

[4444]

Driver in crash that killed Whistler cyclists had suspended licence for drunk driving - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/driver-in-crash-that-killed-whistler-cyclists-had-suspended-licence-for-drunk-driving-1.3097680)
History of impaired driving

The driver has a history of previous convictions for impaired driving and driving when his licence was suspended.

February 2007: Arrested for impaired driving in Fort St. John and convicted later that year. Sentenced in 2008 to a one-year driving prohibition.
December 2008: Arrested for driving with a suspended licence in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 30 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
October 2009: Arrested for impaired driving in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 60 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
April 2011: Arrested for operating a motor vehicle while disqualified in Lillooet. Sentenced later that year to 45 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
March 2014: Arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level over .08, and operating a motor vehicle while disqualified. Sentenced in October 2014 to 144 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition on the first count, and 120 days in jail on the second count.

wow, this sam alec driver dude is now in the shitter for sure...and only brings more light to our lame ass laws for repeat dui offenders.

if he is truly an alcoholic, then what can the system do to see people like this get help to ensure they're on the way to recovery...so that there is no repeat offence scenario ad nauseum leading to his sort of unnecessary carnage.

on the other hand, I guess you can't really 'recover' unless you truly want to...am pretty sure now he'll ''want to'', but little too late with the heart breaking devastation and damage already done.

if the above is true, it speaks to an absolute failure in the government to keep its citizens safe.

I would be looking to sue the government, not for fiscal retribution, but for a change in attitudes towards repeat offenders.

[Hondaracer]

The guy sounds like fucking scum. I highly doubt anything other than extended jail time was going to keep him off the road.

[6o4__boi]

:fulloffuck:

shitty laws.
repeat offenders like that need to be taken out back and shot in the dick.
twice.
with an American Civil War era cannon.

[underscore]

I dont see why it needs to ILLEGAL.
outside of DT core and maybe Broadway, how often do you see ppl working on the sidewalks? most sidewalks are deserted.


http://former.vancouver.ca/bylaws/2849c.PDF#page=35
No person shall ride any bicycle upon any sidewalk except where posted by signs.

Because if it isn't some spandex superstar is going to be going way too fast and not pay attention, and end up mowing down some old lady or child.

if the above is true, it speaks to an absolute failure in the government to keep its citizens safe.

I would be looking to sue the government, not for fiscal retribution, but for a change in attitudes towards repeat offenders.

Hindsight is 20/20. It sounds like if this idiot was anywhere but in jail he'd still be driving. The problem is, can you justify a life sentence to someone for driving without a license? And if so, how many strikes before that happens? It's not as easy as you seem to think it is.

[fliptuner]

3 DUI's and 5 driving suspensions.

When do they ban him from driving for life?

[Hondaracer]

3 DUI's and 5 driving suspensions.

When do they ban him from driving for life?

what would that do, just in that list he was caught driving while banned what, 3 times? and those were just the times he was caught

[flagella]

This. Nothing would've stopped him from driving unless he remains in jail. Too easy to have an access to a car and this guy was driving while technically banned.

[GLOW]

ya a banning won't stop him. maybe a "get caught driving and do time" scenario.

[ScizzMoney]

It's not his fault. It is the fault of his oppressors from his upbringing.

:derp: :troll:

I can say this because I'm half native.

[NKC ONE]

I'm suspecting that he's getting caught on purpose or naturally just so he can go back into jail. If he's a native and it's minimum security, I can sort of understand why. For a lot of struggling people, I can guarantee you that life inside is much better than in the real world.

[Timpo]

Driver in crash that killed Whistler cyclists had suspended licence for drunk driving - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/driver-in-crash-that-killed-whistler-cyclists-had-suspended-licence-for-drunk-driving-1.3097680)
History of impaired driving

The driver has a history of previous convictions for impaired driving and driving when his licence was suspended.

February 2007: Arrested for impaired driving in Fort St. John and convicted later that year. Sentenced in 2008 to a one-year driving prohibition.
December 2008: Arrested for driving with a suspended licence in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 30 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
October 2009: Arrested for impaired driving in Lillooet. Sentenced in 2010 to 60 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
April 2011: Arrested for operating a motor vehicle while disqualified in Lillooet. Sentenced later that year to 45 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition.
March 2014: Arrested for driving with a blood alcohol level over .08, and operating a motor vehicle while disqualified. Sentenced in October 2014 to 144 days in jail and a three-year driving prohibition on the first count, and 120 days in jail on the second count.

wow, this sam alec driver dude is now in the shitter for sure...and only brings more light to our lame ass laws for repeat dui offenders.

if he is truly an alcoholic, then what can the system do to see people like this get help to ensure they're on the way to recovery...so that there is no repeat offence scenario ad nauseum leading to his sort of unnecessary carnage.

on the other hand, I guess you can't really 'recover' unless you truly want to...am pretty sure now he'll ''want to'', but little too late with the heart breaking devastation and damage already done.
holy shit dude, just by looking at that kind of history, it's very obvious that it was just a matter of time til he's gonna kill somebody.

epic fail for government for not doing anything about it

[Timpo]

on a side note...how does ICBC handle a case like this?
As far as I know, ICBC does not cover DUI drivers.

Normally victims' families will be compensated for future living cost if they were relying on victim's income. Does this mean victims will personally have to file a civil lawsuit against this guy or what?

[Timpo]

This. Nothing would've stopped him from driving unless he remains in jail. Too easy to have an access to a car and this guy was driving while technically banned.

Yeah I don't know about his life but he either did not give a shit about the law or had nothing to lose.

I do not want to be rude to the victim, but if I were the passenger, I would stay the fuck away from his car. Why did he even get in?

[canali]

agree with your comment below
mine was asking: what is the govt doing to deal with alcoholism and repeat DUI offenders....it is a sickness, afterall...just tossing one's butt into jail without treatment does nothing.

and then i guess anyone can follow the process of attending any rehab sessions as part of one's rehabilitative sentence, but if they truly don't give a shit and aren't ready to change, then it's the 'if nothing changes, then nothing changes'.

.holy shit dude, just by looking at that kind of history, it's very obvious that it was just a matter of time til he's gonna kill somebody.

epic fail for government for not doing anything about it

[ImportPsycho]

7Because if it isn't some spandex superstar is going to be going way too fast and not pay attention, and end up mowing down some old lady or child.


You can say the same for bicycle on the roads.
some drunk driver is going to mow down group of cyclists.
so should we ban cars from the road for the safety of cyclists?

seems to me, bicycle on the side walks is better option for everyone

jst my 2cents

[Galactic_Phantom]

Canadian criminal justice system logic:
Breaches. Slaps him with more probation hoping he'll change :fuckthatshit:

[ImportPsycho]

As far as I know, ICBC does not cover DUI drivers.


Really? Good god.... I did not know that...

[multicartual]

In a society that promotes "No fucks given" is it any wonder this guy didn't give a fuck and drove anyways?

[westopher]

on a side note...how does ICBC handle a case like this?
As far as I know, ICBC does not cover DUI drivers.

Normally victims' families will be compensated for future living cost if they were relying on victim's income. Does this mean victims will personally have to file a civil lawsuit against this guy or what?
What are they going to get out of him though? The court can award them a billion dollars but the guy will have no money to pay them. Clearly he was just a walking breathing log of shit. I'm sure he had no job.

[CCA-Dave]

...and that is why you buy the uninsured motorist coverage as part of your insurance coverage.

-Dave

[canali]

especially in flaky BC, with so many hicktowns (like rural AB)
so true....cover your ass

...and that is why you buy the uninsured motorist coverage as part of your insurance coverage.

-Dave

[multicartual]

Clearly he was just a walking breathing log of shit. I'm sure he had no job.


I pray a virus or war comes to wipe the slate clean so we can start again fresh!

[vitaminG]

...and that is why you buy the uninsured motorist coverage as part of your insurance coverage.

-Dave

too bad you cant get insurance on your bike... their families arent getting anything, unless they had life insurance

and im pretty sure uninsured motorist coverage is already included in basic insurance.

[CCA-Dave]

too bad you cant get insurance on your bike... their families arent getting anything, unless they had life insurance

and im pretty sure uninsured motorist coverage is already included in basic insurance.

Wrong on the first point, correct on the second point. Underinsured protection is included in basic for up to 1 million dollars, you can add additional coverage to a total of 2 million dollars. The beauty of it is that it protects you from underinsured motorists, even if you're a passenger or a cyclist.

If you're in a crash where the driver at fault doesn't have enough insurance to pay for your injury costs, Excess Underinsured Motorist Protection applies to:
you and anyone else in your vehicle
you, no matter what vehicle you're riding in, or when you’re a pedestrian or cyclist, and
members of your household riding in any vehicle (except ones they own), or who are injured as pedestrians or cyclists.

Note: Underinsured motorist protection coverage doesn't apply to crashes in provinces or states where the law doesn't allow you to sue and recover damages for injury or death caused by a vehicle crash.

The above quote is direct from ICBC's website.

-Dave

[Timpo]

Really? Good god.... I did not know that...

Yeah it says on the fine print. ICBC will NOT cover DUI drivers even if you're under legal blood alcohol limit and police did NOT arrest you.

ICBC insurance policy says absolutely no alcohol allowed.
Criminal Code of Canada says you can drive up to 0.05 to 0.08%.

^ make sure you know that these are two different things.

So you go through a road block with 0.05% blood alcohol, cops won't care because you're not breaking the law.
But if you cause an accident, even at 0.01% blood alcohol, ICBC will NOT cover you because that is their insurance policy.

Did a quick search and found this article:
When ICBC Denies Insurance Coverage for Drinking and Driving Tips And Advice (http://www.icbcadvice.com/general-ICBC-legal-issue-tips/when-ICBC-denies-insurance-coverage.php)

[jasonturbo]

If you are hit by an insured driver, and they are intoxicated at the time, they are not considered insured.

BUT,

So long as that driver has a valid policy in Canada on the vehicle, the insurance company is binded by the absolute liability provision to cover the claimant for the federally mandated minimum statutory coverage of 200K.

Ref. Section 258 of the Insurance Act

Dumbed down below;

http://www.gregmonforton.com/assets/files/Pickerling-Litigator.pdf

Start @ "Tort Claim"

[iEatClams]

Our DUI laws are a joke. It happens so often and kills many people, affecting many lives, yet are laws are pretty weak.



This guy was driving on a highway, but say we change the scenario, taking the bicycling out of this, and instead of a highway, he's driving say down Main St. and he running a red light and hits your friend/brother/family member as they are crossing the street. How would you feel if he only got 3 years of prison?

[Sunfighter]

the driver was already suspended for DUI and wasnt suppose to be driving, couple native guys from pemberton kill "staples of the community" from whistler, nice

I agree with most in this thread that this individual deserves to feel the full force of the law (and more) ... but I don't agree that it's necessary to make reference to the driver's ethnicity. I assume you are attempting to layer in a stereotype to help make your point. Given the racist edge that adds to your comment and the fact that the driver was clearly and entirely at fault it was unnecessary.

[Hondaracer]

I agree with most in this thread that this individual deserves to feel the full force of the law (and more) ... but I don't agree that it's necessary to make reference to the driver's ethnicity. I assume you are attempting to layer in a stereotype to help make your point. Given the racist edge that adds to your comment and the fact that the driver was clearly and entirely at fault it was unnecessary.

the news story had like a minute thing on how the driver got along "with both sides, the whites and us" in interviews within the community

i dont think my comments went nearly as far as the global news reporters coverage..

[Bouncing Bettys]

I agree with most in this thread that this individual deserves to feel the full force of the law (and more) ... but I don't agree that it's necessary to make reference to the driver's ethnicity. I assume you are attempting to layer in a stereotype to help make your point. Given the racist edge that adds to your comment and the fact that the driver was clearly and entirely at fault it was unnecessary.
In a similar case, the driver's ethnicity played a part in receiving a very light sentence.

Driver who killed pedestrian has jail term quashed on appeal; aboriginal background citedHome / News / Accidents / Driver who killed pedestrian has jail term quashed on appeal; aboriginal background cited

Driver who killed pedestrian has jail term quashed on appeal; aboriginal background cited
By: Tim Petruk in Accidents, Courts, Crime, Justice, Law & Order, News February 13, 2015 117 Comments 61604 Views

IN THE PHOTO: The scene of the Nov. 21, 2012, collision that killed Valerie Brook. (KTW FILE PHOTO)

A B.C. Supreme Court judge has overturned a six-month jail term handed last year to a chronic prohibited driver who in 2012 struck and killed a pedestrian in a downtown Kamloops crosswalk.
Instead, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Alison Beames placed Donald Charles Isadore on three months of house arrest to be followed by four-and-a-half months under a strict curfew, ruling the original sentence did not take into consideration Isadore’s aboriginal background.
Beames knocked 44 days off of the original sentence for time served, which is how long Isadore spent in jail before being granted bail for his appeal.
At the time of the fatal crash, Isadore — who has never held a valid permanent driver’s licence, but has a record of driving prohibitions dating back to 1986 — was bound by multiple driving prohibitions and suspensions.
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He had been sentenced less than three weeks earlier to a 30-day jail term and fined $500, in addition to a two-year driving ban, for a separate driving-while-prohibited conviction.
While driving a pickup truck while prohibited on the early evening of Nov. 21, 2012, Isadore struck and killed 66-year-old Valerie Brook as she crossed Victoria Street at Sixth Avenue in downtown Kamloops.
In the two months that followed the fatal collision, he was caught two more times driving while prohibited.
On Jan. 4, 2013, Kamloops Mounties got a phone call from a security guard at Lake City Casino, who said Isadore had driven to the facility.
Court heard the security guard recognized Isadore because casino security helped out in the aftermath of the collision that killed Brook, which took place on the same block as the casino.
Isadore was arrested, charged with driving while prohibited and released.
Four days later, casino security called police again after Isadore was spotted getting his parking validated at the casino desk.
He was arrested when he was kicked out of the casino at 12:30 a.m. on Jan. 9, charged with another count of driving while prohibited and released.
After a trial in July of last year, Kamloops provincial court Judge Stella Frame sentenced the 64-year-old to six months in jail.
Isadore appealed that sentence on the grounds that Frame failed to properly consider his native heritage in delivering her sentence.
Court heard Isadore attended an Indian residential school for 12 years, beginning when he was five years old. He struggled with drugs and alcohol as an adult, but has been clean and sober since the 1990s.
Isadore has been on disability for depression since 2001.
In her sentence, Frame called Isadore’s background a “horrific history.”
She noted, however, that his continued prohibited driving — he was busted behind the wheel five times since buying a pickup truck in 2010 — was not directly attributable to his native circumstances, but was because his friends and family asked him for rides.
On appeal, Justice Beames said that is where Frame erred, noting Isadore’s continued driving should be linked to his background.
“His decision to drive under those pressures is linked to his circumstances as an aboriginal person,” she said.
“That is to say, I find particularly there is something in his horrific lifetime experiences that mitigates his actions in driving despite his prohibition.”
Beames said Isadore’s time in residential school created “a lack of respect for the system.”
Prior to Isadore’s original sentencing last summer, Brook’s daughter, Loralie Loewen, spoke to the court.
“At the end of the day, I’m not sure it will fix anything because nothing’s going to bring my mom back,” she said. “Our family is left completely heartbroken. My mom is somebody who had a really caring heart.
Crystal Greffard, another of Brook’s daughters, said in court jail was the only option for Isadore.
“Nothing seems to make any difference — no matter how many suspensions he gets it doesn’t make a difference,” she said. “Killing someone doesn’t make a difference.
“How else can you keep someone like that off the streets, other than physically taking him off the streets and making it so he can’t get behind the wheel of a vehicle?”

[Timpo]

I agree with most in this thread that this individual deserves to feel the full force of the law (and more) ... but I don't agree that it's necessary to make reference to the driver's ethnicity. I assume you are attempting to layer in a stereotype to help make your point. Given the racist edge that adds to your comment and the fact that the driver was clearly and entirely at fault it was unnecessary.

Not trying to be racist here but native people are in fact, at risk for things like this. Not everybody, but many of them are. It's a well known fact in Canada.
Let's face it, even Government of Canada announces how large percentage of first nations are at risk for domestic violence, child prostitution, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, etc.
If you look at the website for recovery centres for first nations, they will show you all the data and statistics too.

Anyways, his comment was not too far from Chinese kids speeding Ferrari and Lamborghini in Richmond. Stereotypical? Perhaps, but it's also a fact too.

[canali]

the story was referring to his passenger pierre st paul jr, who was also killed...he was the one respected on both sides of the community...as per the driver, who knows...doubtful, however.

the news story had like a minute thing on how the driver got along "with both sides, the whites and us" in interviews within the community

i dont think my comments went nearly as far as the global news reporters coverage..

[Sunfighter]

Not trying to be racist here but native people are in fact, at risk for things like this. Not everybody, but many of them are. It's a well known fact in Canada.
Let's face it, even Government of Canada announces how large percentage of first nations are at risk for domestic violence, child prostitution, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, etc.
If you look at the website for recovery centres for first nations, they will show you all the data and statistics too.

Anyways, his comment was not too far from Chinese kids speeding Ferrari and Lamborghini in Richmond. Stereotypical? Perhaps, but it's also a fact too.

Timpo - I don't disagree that there are studies that speak to the fact that First Nations youth (and adults) are often at risk for alcohol and substance abuse but so to are youth from any ethnicity if their upbringing is particularly impoverished or unstable. The same studies show that First Nations youth are disproportionately exposed to these conditions - hence the connection. Genetically, no ethnicity is any more pre-dispositioned to alcohol abuse than any other. That's driven by environment.

That said - alcohol abuse or a challenging childhood is not an excuse for driving under the influence and slaughtering innocent cyclists. Every member of our society must be held accountable to the exact same standard as any other member regardless of wealth, background, ethnic origin, language, or religion.

To the original point - citing "native" in this context is unnecessary. It's irrelevant that the accused is First Nations. If he was under the influence, regardless of background, the law should hammer him into the ground. He slaughtered two cyclists and killed a passenger and his history implies that it's unlikely that this pattern of abuse and reckless driving will change in the future. The accused chose to get into that vehicle. That was a personal choice and I pray he is crushed by the courts for that decision - a decision that NOBODY forced him to make.

[jasonturbo]

Natives to me are like a national treasure :)

They honestly deal with a lot of issues people just don't understand... I spent 7 years living in Yellowknife growing up and it really helped shift my perspective from ignorance to understanding.

Having said that, stats tell a story... And it's reasonable for people to stereotype... But it's a shame.

Natives are also the only source of any true Canadian identity IMO... So I think we should, as a Society, support them. That doesn't mean giving them breaks so they avoid jail time after DUI killing someone... It means giving communities the help they need, providing educational grants, encouraging them to preserve their history and be proud of it, etc.

Meh, super shitty how the general stereotype of drunk indians is so prevalent.

[underscore]

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You can say the same for bicycle on the roads.
some drunk driver is going to mow down group of cyclists.
so should we ban cars from the road for the safety of cyclists?

seems to me, bicycle on the side walks is better option for everyone

jst my 2cents

It's not quite the same, but if you move all the cyclists to the sidewalk, where the heck do people walk? Erratic pedestrians on the sidewalk would be arguably a more frequent hazard for a cyclist than cars are.

[tarobbt]

https://www.facebook.com/greg.drozd.16/videos/10152802955765880/

Those spandex warriors...

[Timpo]

Timpo - I don't disagree that there are studies that speak to the fact that First Nations youth (and adults) are often at risk for alcohol and substance abuse but so to are youth from any ethnicity if their upbringing is particularly impoverished or unstable. The same studies show that First Nations youth are disproportionately exposed to these conditions - hence the connection. Genetically, no ethnicity is any more pre-dispositioned to alcohol abuse than any other. That's driven by environment.

That said - alcohol abuse or a challenging childhood is not an excuse for driving under the influence and slaughtering innocent cyclists. Every member of our society must be held accountable to the exact same standard as any other member regardless of wealth, background, ethnic origin, language, or religion.

To the original point - citing "native" in this context is unnecessary. It's irrelevant that the accused is First Nations. If he was under the influence, regardless of background, the law should hammer him into the ground. He slaughtered two cyclists and killed a passenger and his history implies that it's unlikely that this pattern of abuse and reckless driving will change in the future. The accused chose to get into that vehicle. That was a personal choice and I pray he is crushed by the courts for that decision - a decision that NOBODY forced him to make.
ok I kinda get your point, everybody should be treated equally.

But the fact is that native people are entitled for so many benefits and support from the government. The harsh fact is that society will look at them as a tax taker, not tax payer...and use that tax for not very good cause like alcohol.

I understand that their ancestors got invaded 2 centuries ago, but I have seen so many people who strived to change their lives and succeeded too, without having all the support from government. And only took 1 generation to change.
There was a homeless girl who have gone to Harvard University without even having sufficient food, or I don't think entrepreneurs like Robert Herjavec had particularly good childhood either. There are countless people who worked their ass off to change their lives. Do large percentage of first nations people have enough drive/motivation to change their live? That's hard to say and giving out money isn't simply going to fix it.

I have seen so many native youth/kids think that they can't do anything because their natives. And society treat them as a difficult group and they will act like so. It's kinda like placebo effect. What if your background is native and if everybody treated like one of people with problems? Maybe you will start to believe that you're actually not that great.

I know jasonturbo said that first nations are treasure of Canada, which may be true but they need to act like so in the society because I have seen many of them who act very arrogant and rude.

Please don't get me wrong, because I personally know first nations people who are very polite and friendly, but the problem is, our government will keep advertise them as victims and difficult groups, and use our tax money to support that claim. Until that stops, unfortunately people will keep believing so. And yes, the world is not fair, we all know that. Myself included, I'm ignorant at many magnitude too.

Just like raising kids, if you raise your kids to believe in the way that he/she is capable of a lot of stuff, the chances are, they will start to believe so. If you put them down and tell them they're problematic, they will act like one. We're sort of doing this at national level. I think you're entitled for first nations benefit/compensation if you have 1/8 of first nations blood in you, which makes me wonder if that's even necessary.