[aristo-crat]

I have a question.

I have a very recognizable car, and was recently pulled over and given a speeding ticket.

The officer based his pulling me over on "us being called in by an off duty officer who said we were driving dangerously and speeding" - Which wasn't the case at all. We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was. We were driving with the flow of traffic except for passing people. Anyways, thats not important. He didn't get me on a gun or anything.

The officer said he was "giving me a huge break" and said that if I dispute the ticket, hes "going to see me and court and will charge (me) with street racing and excessive speed"

There were 4 of us driving together, on a single lane road. We were NOT street racing. He said that driving in a group and speeding is classified as speeding under the MVA.


What I'm wondering is:

A) Is the the officer legally allowed to 'blackmail' me into paying the ticket? Saying "pay it or i'll charge you with other offences'. He literally said: "If i get notice that you're disputing this ticket, I will meet you in court and i will bring the officer who called you in and will charge you with excessive speed and street racing, and will attempt to get your vehicle impounded"

Is this not blackmail? Isn't it my right to fight a ticket?

B) Can i be charged with another offence in court, if i'm going to fight the ticket? If i go to fight this speeding ticket, can i be further charged with something else if i wasn't charged at the time he wrote the other ticket?


Thanks for the insight.

[nsx042003]

But you just said you did speed and more than anyone else when you are passing people.

I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Fafine]

sounds like blackmail
better lawyer up and sue his ass!

[Special K]

He charge you for speeding and you did just that.

What is your basis for disputing?

[tiger_handheld]

based on the info you gave, i'd dispute it - it takes 1.5-2yrs for the system to call you and by that time do you really think the witness will remember what happened?

[jinxcrusader]

The ticket was handed to you for speeding.

Per your initial post:
We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was.

Allow me focus on the main point.
We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was.



Also, please don't try to bullshit a car forum. 4 friends in different cars. I'd wager my balls you guys were showing off your cars to each other by driving fast. We've all done it before.

[nma]

probably one of the worst places to ask if u want an actual answer

[zulutango]

I have a question.

I have a very recognizable car, and was recently pulled over and given a speeding ticket.

The officer based his pulling me over on "us being called in by an off duty officer who said we were driving dangerously and speeding" - Which wasn't the case at all. We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was. We were driving with the flow of traffic except for passing people. Anyways, thats not important. He didn't get me on a gun or anything.

The officer said he was "giving me a huge break" and said that if I dispute the ticket, hes "going to see me and court and will charge (me) with street racing and excessive speed"

There were 4 of us driving together, on a single lane road. We were NOT street racing. He said that driving in a group and speeding is classified as speeding under the MVA.


What I'm wondering is:

A) Is the the officer legally allowed to 'blackmail' me into paying the ticket? Saying "pay it or i'll charge you with other offences'. He literally said: "If i get notice that you're disputing this ticket, I will meet you in court and i will bring the officer who called you in and will charge you with excessive speed and street racing, and will attempt to get your vehicle impounded"

Is this not blackmail? Isn't it my right to fight a ticket?

B) Can i be charged with another offence in court, if i'm going to fight the ticket? If i go to fight this speeding ticket, can i be further charged with something else if i wasn't charged at the time he wrote the other ticket?


Thanks for the insight.

blackmail - definition of blackmail by The Free Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail)

You have the right to dispute any ticket. During the trial evidence will be entered by the crown outlining what happened....all evidence. JP will hear it and yours...and decide if evidence has been prevented to convict you. Crown have up to 12 months after the breaking of the law to enter any further charges, cancel what has been issued and reissue a new VT or just go with what they have already issued. You may call it blackmail...,hardly...others may call it giving you a break.

[underscore]

A) That's not blackmail, that's the officer letting you know he gave you a break, but if you decide to try and abuse that he'll no longer give you a break. B) You can be charged up to 12 months after the offense occurred, disputing and taking it to court has no impact on their ability to do so. Since you only have 30 days to dispute the officer has plenty of time for filing any other possible charges.

based on the info you gave, i'd dispute it - it takes 1.5-2yrs for the system to call you and by that time do you really think the witness will remember what happened?

Except you have to dispute within 30 days, when the witness is still very capable of ensuring they don't forget anything.

[SoulCrusher]

Great argument

We may have been speeding... We were driving with the flow of traffic except for passing people.

There were 4 of us driving together, on a single lane road ..

[mb_]

OP admits to speeding, gets a ticket for it. Accuses the officer of blackmailing

Lol

[aristo-crat]

Its not the ticket I care about. Its 200$. Minor.

What bothers me is the way he handled it. Was simply inquiring what you guys thought about it.

We were on the way home from a car show. It was me, my girlfriend, another good friend of ours and some random genesis. We absolutely were not driving like d-bags. No differently than I'd drive on my own.

But Zulutango and Underscore answered what I needed. Thanks.

[meme405]

I'm just going to point out that if an off duty cop took time out of his day to phone you in, I'm going to believe his story over yours. I mean be honest, why the fuck would he phone you in over everyone else. Unless this cop is some sort of sadist and loves to see others get tickets they don't deserve...:rolleyes:

Even in your own story you admit to some questionable behaviour:

We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was. We were driving with the flow of traffic except for passing people. Anyways, thats not important. He didn't get me on a gun or anything.


You admit to driving with the flow of traffic which is fine, everyone does 10 or 15 over the limit, no big deal. But then you go on to say that you were then passing people on a single lane road? Something isn't adding up.

If you were going with the flow of traffic on a single lane road, which is already 10 to 15 km/h over the limit, why the fuck were you passing people? If that's the truth then you can probably start to see the issue..

Either way you already admitted guilt on a public forum, so just pay the ticket, and enjoy the fact that the officer likely did give you a break.

[aristo-crat]

There are always going to be people who drive 5-10 under the limit.. that was who we passed. There were multiple cars that passed us as a group. Again, not disputing the fact that we were speeding.

[hchang]

There are always going to be people who drive 5-10 under the limit.. that was who we passed. There were multiple cars that passed us as a group. Again, not disputing the fact that we were speeding.

And that's what your ticket was for correct?

[sho_bc]

There are always going to be people who drive 5-10 under the limit..

Which, when you think about it, makes sense and is A-OK, because the MAXIMUM speed you're allowed to travel is what is posted.

[BallPeenHammer2]

Just dispute it.

See what happens and update in a year.

If you were in the right, then it'll be thrown out.

If you bullshitted us about the event and had the book thrown at you, you will either

a) whine about lack of right like that other retard that got held up at a road block for 20minutes

b)Say nothing because you were embarrassed for being an ass and this thread will die.

see? easy.

[SumAznGuy]

Actually, I side with OP.
I was driving my S, minding my own business pulling up to a VPD cruiser.
I wasn't speeding since it was light out and I could clearly see the marked vehicle.
As I pull along side. the officers slams on the brakes, pulls behind me and flips on the lights.

One officer comes to the driver side window and asks to see my driver's license while the other office does the walk about.

The first officer asked me if my address on the license is correct and I said no. I informed ICBC and they said they were going to mail the sticker out to me.
Then the other officer notices that my front plate was on my dash and not mounted to the front of the car.

So the officer writes me up for the front plate and not having the correct address on my DL. and then crosses the second charge off and tells me that he will write it back on if I dispute the ticket.

Well, I disputed the ticket, even phoned the officer and left him a voice message asking for his notes from that night.
Never heard back from him and he never showed up at court.

To me, it wasn't blackmailing, but a form of intimidation to get me to pay the fine and not dispute the ticket.

If I was op, I would dispute the ticket. From what OP has told us, the officer who wrote him the ticket only heard from an off duty officer that OP may have been speeding and the ticket issuing officer never caught OP speeding. The intimidation, imo, was used to keep OP from disputing the ticket which he has the right to do so.

OP has the right to question his accuser. In this case, the accuser is the off duty officer.
I would love to see OP dispute the ticket and see what the officer has to say to the JP if they actually do show up.

[zulutango]

Actually, I side with OP.
I was driving my S, minding my own business pulling up to a VPD cruiser.
I wasn't speeding since it was light out and I could clearly see the marked vehicle.
As I pull along side. the officers slams on the brakes, pulls behind me and flips on the lights.

One officer comes to the driver side window and asks to see my driver's license while the other office does the walk about.

The first officer asked me if my address on the license is correct and I said no. I informed ICBC and they said they were going to mail the sticker out to me.
Then the other officer notices that my front plate was on my dash and not mounted to the front of the car.

So the officer writes me up for the front plate and not having the correct address on my DL. and then crosses the second charge off and tells me that he will write it back on if I dispute the ticket.

Well, I disputed the ticket, even phoned the officer and left him a voice message asking for his notes from that night.
Never heard back from him and he never showed up at court.

To me, it wasn't blackmailing, but a form of intimidation to get me to pay the fine and not dispute the ticket.

If I was op, I would dispute the ticket. From what OP has told us, the officer who wrote him the ticket only heard from an off duty officer that OP may have been speeding and the ticket issuing officer never caught OP speeding. The intimidation, imo, was used to keep OP from disputing the ticket which he has the right to do so.

OP has the right to question his accuser. In this case, the accuser is the off duty officer.
I would love to see OP dispute the ticket and see what the officer has to say to the JP if they actually do show up.

To have avoided those VTs...install your front plate instead of having a sharp-edged piece of metal sliding dangerously on your dash. You can change your address instantly if you visit any Autoplan agent and tell them. You were issued the VT because the database still showed your old address. You are required to let them know of the change within 10 days.

If you are requesting legal disclosure it must be done in writing and you must describe exactly what you want.,..and what you want must be able to be disclosed. When you get legal you get handled legally. A phone call fishing expedition will not get you results. He gave you a break on the fail to notify and he is correct in that he has up to 12 months to lay the second charge if he wants. You show up and question him...and if you testify he has the right to cross examine you too.

[SumAznGuy]

To have avoided those VTs...install your front plate instead of having a sharp-edged piece of metal sliding dangerously on your dash. You can change your address instantly if you visit any Autoplan agent and tell them. You were issued the VT because the database still showed your old address. You are required to let them know of the change within 10 days.

If you are requesting legal disclosure it must be done in writing and you must describe exactly what you want.,..and what you want must be able to be disclosed. When you get legal you get handled legally. A phone call fishing expedition will not get you results. He gave you a break on the fail to notify and he is correct in that he has up to 12 months to lay the second charge if he wants. You show up and question him...and if you testify he has the right to cross examine you too.

I wasn't pulled over for the front plate violation. We were east bound with the sun starting to set.
If the officer looked in the mirror, all the would see is the setting sun.
This is backed up by the fact they were not aware of the plate until the other officer did the walk around the car.
And I did go to an autoplan agent to get my address changed before getting pulled over. I received the sticker in the mail a few days later.

As for disclosure, either way, the officer that issued me the ticket never showed up and I would love to hear what happens in court to OP.

And the way I see it, the officer could have said it in a less dick way to seem less intimidating.
He could have said to OP "I gave you a break this time. I could have charged you with XXX other motor vehicle offenses but I am only issuing you a ticket for XXX"
But "if you decide to dispute the ticket, I will tack on XXX motor vehicle offenses" is something that doesn't need to be said.

[Soundy]

Just dispute it.

See what happens and update in a year.

If you were in the right, then it'll be thrown out.

If you bullshitted us about the event and had the book thrown at you, you will either

a) whine about lack of right like that other retard that got held up at a road block for 20minutes

b)Say nothing because you were embarrassed for being an ass and this thread will die.

see? easy.

Inb4 OP emails the cop's dean.

[xXSupa]

Actually, I side with OP.
I was driving my S, minding my own business pulling up to a VPD cruiser.
I wasn't speeding since it was light out and I could clearly see the marked vehicle.
As I pull along side. the officers slams on the brakes, pulls behind me and flips on the lights.

One officer comes to the driver side window and asks to see my driver's license while the other office does the walk about.

The first officer asked me if my address on the license is correct and I said no. I informed ICBC and they said they were going to mail the sticker out to me.
Then the other officer notices that my front plate was on my dash and not mounted to the front of the car.

So the officer writes me up for the front plate and not having the correct address on my DL. and then crosses the second charge off and tells me that he will write it back on if I dispute the ticket.

Well, I disputed the ticket, even phoned the officer and left him a voice message asking for his notes from that night.
Never heard back from him and he never showed up at court.


If I remember correctly, don't the cops needs a reason to pull you over? They can't just pull you over for no reason, inspect your car, then ticket you from that inspection..

[sho_bc]

If the reason was to inspect the condition of the vehicle, thats reason enough. You can be pulled over to confirm drivers licence (and compliance with any restrictions), insurance, sobriety and vehicle condition, without having observed a violation.

[underscore]

I disputed the ticket

You disputed a completely legitimate ticket? This is why our courts are so backlogged you dunce.

[SumAznGuy]

You disputed a completely legitimate ticket? This is why our courts are so backlogged you dunce.

I don't even know where to begin with this statement.

First off, the courts being backlogged have nothing to do with me disputing a ticket.
If Crusty Clark deemed the courts being backlogged was an issue, then she'd allow them to hire more people or stop the OT freeze.
Heck, they would reopen the Burnaby courthouse if the issue is that bad.

Secondly, at what point was my ticket a legitimate ticket? As I said, I was given a ticket for having the incorrect address on my DL, which I did go to an autoplan agent to have the address corrected. It's not my fault ICBC takes a week to snail mail the sticker with the amended address on it.

And really, calling someone names. FailFish

[underscore]

When you dispute a ticket in court it takes the time and money of the courts does it not?

Secondly, at what point was my ticket a legitimate ticket? As I said, I was given a ticket for having the incorrect address on my DL, which I did go to an autoplan agent to have the address corrected. It's not my fault ICBC takes a week to snail mail the sticker with the amended address on it.

You said that the address ticket was removed so you just got a plate ticket, which was completely valid given that your plate was not corrected mounted.

I'm not sure why the sticker would be mailed anyways, I've always had them printed on the spot. Realistically you could just use a piece of tape and change it yourself in the meantime.

[Soundy]

I'm not sure why the sticker would be mailed anyways, I've always had them printed on the spot. Realistically you could just use a piece of tape and change it yourself in the meantime.
You can do an address change online and the sticker is mailed to you. Presumably this is something you do right away when you move, and the sticker should easily arrive within the 10 day window.

[rriggi]

I've had a situation like this, where I was told if I disputed the ticket I would receive the offences that he was giving me a break on. What these "other offences" are, is beyond me.

I disputed it anyways, ticket got thrown out and I went on with my life.

And yes cops can pull you over for no reason at all, its happened to me twice in the last week when I was wearing shady clothes in my black car...

Kinda thankful that they check to make sure my car is MY CAR, but it can get annoying if I'm going somewhere.

[zulutango]

First part of the VT was 100% legit....you told us that. How long before getting stopped did you go to the Autoplan agent? I have done business with them to change vehicle details and it was somewhere between instantly and 30 mninutes before the changes showed up on the database...I wonder why yours took so long to show up? Did you inform them within the 10 days required by law?

[Qmx323]

Funny story,

Got pulled for using my cell phone (high fine and points), was given a break. Instead received a ticket for not having my registration (significantly lower fine, no points) on me (sitting on the kitchen counter). I quote "You have a clean record and you seem to know what you did wrong, I see no reason to ruin your summer with the cell phone ticket. You can dispute it if you want, they will most likely chuck it anyways, we just wanna make sure you have your paperwork in order"

Nice guy. Still gonna pay it, I fucked up and will take responsibility.

[wing_woo]

Similar situation with me. Guy gave me a warning for speeding and a $100 ticket for no insurance papers. Found the insurance papers as he was handing me the tickets. Ended up getting just a warning for speeding as he cancelled the no insurance ticket. Was Richmond RCMP. He gave me a break and luckily for me, it ended up being an even bigger break as he could have went and said, oh, you found your insurance...well let me go change that warning to a ticket for speeding. So, I was very lucky...and it wasn't one of those just above the speed limit ones too. It was open road on Steveston Hwy and I wasn't paying attention (1 in the morning).

[Soundy]

Coming down the hill into Kelowna once on a work trip, cops had a stop set up by the visitors' center... my work van had a pretty badly spidered windshield, so naturally the cop pulled me aside and pointed it out, then asked for my license and registration.

Registration I found, but my license was nowhere to be seen... cop asked if I knew my BCDL#, but I didn't... then asked if I knew my SIN#, which I did; he also asked my name, address, etc. to confirm it all. At that point I figured out where my license was: a couple days earlier I'd been in to the local detachment to get a criminal record check done for volunteer work, had taken my license out for them to photocopy, and then put it back in the pocket of a coat that was at that moment, hanging in the closet at home.

I think the cop appreciated the irony of it, and was probably able to confirm my story, since all he gave me was a box 3 N&O and 15 days to get the window fixed. Could have been several hundred dollars and a box 1, but... no fine, nothing for not having my license on me.

So thanks to that cop for having a sense of irony.

[SumAznGuy]

First part of the VT was 100% legit....you told us that. How long before getting stopped did you go to the Autoplan agent? I have done business with them to change vehicle details and it was somewhere between instantly and 30 mninutes before the changes showed up on the database...I wonder why yours took so long to show up? Did you inform them within the 10 days required by law?

Yes I did. My brother is my autoplan agent so it was just a phone call away.
This is one of the reason's why I disputed the ticket and called asking for disclosure. I would have loved to see what he wrote down or be able to see what was on his screen.
For all we know, the address may have been correct on the screen but I didn't have the sticker on my DL hence why he gave me a "break" on the incorrect address on my DL.

When you dispute a ticket in court it takes the time and money of the courts does it not?

You said that the address ticket was removed so you just got a plate ticket, which was completely valid given that your plate was not corrected mounted.

I'm not sure why the sticker would be mailed anyway, I've always had them printed on the spot. Realistically you could just use a piece of tape and change it yourself in the meantime.

Sorry, I flipped it around. You are correct.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not CIC and don't want my post to seem that way.

But I disputed the no front plate ticket because of 2 things.
1) my experience has shown me I have a 50% chance of winning because the officer doesn't show up.
2) I wanted to see the officer in court and see what he had to say about what happened that night.

Since the officer no showed, all that I can guess is he used the threat of another charge as a form of intimidation into paying for the ticket.

[Nlkko]

How about owning up to your mistake, pay your ticket and learn from it. Instead of trying to skirt the law and brag about it.

[meme405]

What is the charge for a failed dispute attempt now? Wasn't it only like 25 bucks before.

I feel like they need to bump that cost up, just to keep the idiots with nothing more than a hope the officer doesn't show up, from disputing. For 25 bucks its a gamble a lot of people are willing to make. For $100 I feel a lot more people would pay their deserved tickets and just move on.

[SumAznGuy]

What is the charge for a failed dispute attempt now? Wasn't it only like 25 bucks before.

I feel like they need to bump that cost up, just to keep the idiots with nothing more than a hope the officer doesn't show up, from disputing. For 25 bucks its a gamble a lot of people are willing to make. For $100 I feel a lot more people would pay their deserved tickets and just move on.

Also had to miss half a day's worth of work so @ $14 an hour, 4 hours is $56.
I've also shown up to court and had another officer ask the courts to postpone the hearing as the officer in question was away. In that case, it was $56 x 2.

How about owning up to your mistake, pay your ticket and learn from it. Instead of trying to skirt the law and brag about it.

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[underscore]

But I disputed the no front plate ticket because of 2 things.
1) my experience has shown me I have a 50% chance of winning because the officer doesn't show up.
2) I wanted to see the officer in court and see what he had to say about what happened that night.

So you cost yourself $56 on a 50/50 chance you'd have to pay another $221 (possibly $316 if the other charge was added back) for a total of $277/372 instead of just paying $171 for a completely valid ticket? On top of not owning up to your mistakes that's not very good gambling.

As a side note not displaying your plate is a lesser fine than incorrectly displaying it, so if you're not going to put it on properly you're better off not having it at all.

[v_tec]

Secondly, at what point was my ticket a legitimate ticket?

Then the other officer notices that my front plate was on my dash and not mounted to the front of the car.

So the officer writes me up for the front plate and not having the correct address on my DL. and then crosses the second charge off and tells me that he will write it back on if I dispute the ticket.

FailFishFailFishFailFish

[meme405]

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I hope your momma reads thread, sees this comment, and gives you a hearty smack to the back of the head.

[Lomac]

As I said, I was given a ticket for having the incorrect address on my DL, which I did go to an autoplan agent to have the address corrected.

Just quoting because I have a question regarding this for the PO's reading this thread, not because I want to annnoy SumAznGuy.

What's considered an "incorrect address" on a DL? In my case, I rent two homes in two different towns. My DL shows my address in Salmon Arm, as does one of my cars, yet another one of my cars has it's insurance based on my Kamloops address (mainly because that's where the car is kept and only used around town). If I get pulled over in that car and show my DL which has the SA address, can I get ticketed for having an incorrect address?

[sho_bc]

Your DL is supposed to have your primary residence on it. Helps with things like collisions, injuries, NoK type situations more than anything else. Very common for people who don't want to be found (by police, their enemies, the tin foil army) to use their parents address, a friend's address, keep their old address - and just grab the ICBC mail from there once every 5yrs - and then when stopped and asked to provide their address, they recite the incorrect address in the hopes that the police won't know the difference.

[SumAznGuy]

So you cost yourself $56 on a 50/50 chance you'd have to pay another $221 (possibly $316 if the other charge was added back) for a total of $277/372 instead of just paying $171 for a completely valid ticket? On top of not owning up to your mistakes that's not very good gambling.

The $14 per hour is made up. I don't work at a pizza parlor or drive a red RSX. :okay:
Is the fine that much for the front plate? Always thought it was $100 or something like that.
But what I wanted, was to see what the officer had to say.
It may not affect most people here on RS, but one day it could happen.
An officer uses the loop hole of pulling people over to check for valid licenses or insurance and do the walk around or ask to check the trunk.
Then to save face, writes up some bogus ticket or warning....

As a side note not displaying your plate is a lesser fine than incorrectly displaying it, so if you're not going to put it on properly you're better off not having it at all.

Thanked for this.

[ancient_510]

RS calls me stupid for not talking to the police. :toot:

So I see you aren't properly displaying your licence plate
*crickets*
Licence, registration, and proof of insurance
*hand stuff over*
Please state your name and address
*Name and address*
Why doesn't this match your licence?
*crickets*
Is this your licence?
*crickets*
Did you steal this licence?
*crickets*
So my colleague told me you were speeding
*crickets*
Another police officer called me and told me to find this car
*crickets*
I will get them to come to court to testify
*crickets*
Alright, here are a bunch of tickets
*crickets*

It's up to the Crown to prove that you didn't change your address on your license in the prescribed period and not for you to prove that you did. I'm not sure how the computer displays your address...

It's up to the Crown to prove that you were driving the vehicle contrary to a law. I'd call that a "lack of continuity of the accused's journey" and hearsay. Just think why red light tickets are issued to the RO and not the operator (unless someone talks to the Crown and they can put the offence on a specific person).

If you shut your mouth, you may probably have just gotten off with just the improper plate display and a speeding ticket as the RO only.

[wing_woo]

It's up to the Crown to prove that you didn't change your address on your license in the prescribed period and not for you to prove that you did. I'm not sure how the computer displays your address...

It's up to the Crown to prove that you were driving the vehicle contrary to a law. I'd call that a "lack of continuity of the accused's journey" and hearsay. Just think why red light tickets are issued to the RO and not the operator (unless someone talks to the Crown and they can put the offence on a specific person).

If you shut your mouth, you may probably have just gotten off with just the improper plate display and a speeding ticket as the RO only.

And how would not saying anything gotten him off as the RO only? The officer can clearly identify who was operating the vehicle at the time. The reason red light cameras are charged to RO is because there is no way of knowing who was driving the vehicle. If the officer already stopped you, regardless of whether you say anything or not, they have already identified you as the operator at the time of the offense.

[underscore]

FailFish @ancient510

The $14 per hour is made up. I don't work at a pizza parlor or drive a red RSX. :okay:
Is the fine that much for the front plate? Always thought it was $100 or something like that.

$196 for the incorrect plate, $109 for no plate. But there's the $25 for a failed dispute to consider, and the -$25 discount for paying early. So no plate paid early = $84, incorrect plate lost in court = $221 + wages + possibly other charges you got warnings for.

But what I wanted, was to see what the officer had to say.
It may not affect most people here on RS, but one day it could happen.
An officer uses the loop hole of pulling people over to check for valid licenses or insurance and do the walk around or ask to check the trunk.
Then to save face, writes up some bogus ticket or warning....

I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting, people get pulled over, checked, and sent on their way without a ticket all the time.

[zulutango]

An officer uses the loop hole of pulling people over to check for valid licenses or insurance and do the walk around or ask to check the trunk.
Then to save face, writes up some bogus ticket or warning....

The "obstructed plate" VT was not bogus... it was on the dash....the address thing was a mistake...or not? It was cancelled anyway. Previous discussion in this very thread talked about the legally-accepted practice of stoping vehicles for the reasons previously discussed..read earlier posts. I have stopped thousands of vehicles over the years to check those things. The VT was not to "save face"...it was because the plate was unsecured and obstructed. End of story.

[ancient_510]

And how would not saying anything gotten him off as the RO only?
...
If the officer already stopped you, regardless of whether you say anything or not, they have already identified you as the operator at the time of the offense.

Because according to the OP "The officer based his pulling me over on 'us being called in by an off duty officer who said we were driving dangerously and speeding'".

One officer identified the vehicle, directed their colleague to find and stop it, and then they did. Seems a little difficult to find continuity. I'm not saying the OP is guilty, I'm just saying there is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost by talking to the police.

[Soundy]

RS calls me stupid for not talking to the police. :toot:

[I]So I see you aren't properly displaying your licence plate
*crickets*
Licence, registration, and proof of insurance
*hand stuff over*
Please state your name and address
*Name and address*
Why doesn't this match your licence?
*crickets*
Is this your licence?
*crickets*
Did you steal this licence?
*crickets*

"Step out of the car please"
*crickets interrupted by the sound of handcuffs*

[sho_bc]

One officer identified the vehicle, directed their colleague to find and stop it, and then they did. Seems a little difficult to find continuity.

Far from it. Pulled over shortly after the complaint was made, in the company of vehicles as described by the off-duty officer. No JP is going to believe that the driver somehow magically became different in what is likely a short time frame.

OR, the off-duty officer kept a visual of the train of cars, swung past the traffic stop and wrapped up the phone call with the call-taker with something like "Yup, thats one of the cars, I'll send you a write-up of what I saw/my evidence when I'm back to work".

Both of those scenarios (and many others) are easy ways to ensure continuity of the vehicle for the purposes of issuing a ticket to the driver.

[zulutango]

Like Sho said...I have done exactly that on a number of occasions. On a couple of occasions I actually stopped and confirmed the driver's identity to the Member.

[BallPeenHammer2]

man....all this trouble over a plate and some speeding.

I just drive my little leased car. I gas, fix and wash it.

I use my bluetooth to talk on the phone as I not drive like a dumbass while not drunk.

So little headaches. no dumb RS posts.....

Such Simple. Much easy.

[zulutango]

man....all this trouble over a plate and some speeding.

I just drive my little leased car. I gas, fix and wash it.

I use my bluetooth to talk on the phone as I not drive like a dumbass while not drunk.

So little headaches. no dumb RS posts.....

Such Simple. Much easy.


Such..so unlike RS.....how did you get here anyway??? :)

[SumAznGuy]

man....all this trouble over a plate and some speeding.
I not drive like a dumbass while not drunk.

Like I said, I did change my address with ICBC and was waiting for the sticker in the mail, but what ever. That ticket was almost 10 years ago and I won.

So based on the bolded part, you drive like a dumbass while drunk. :accepted:

[BallPeenHammer2]

Such..so unlike RS.....how did you get here anyway??? :)

it's been years and I still don't know myself. LOL

[Sango]

This happened to a friend of mine a few years ago.

He was pulled over by Richmond RCMP when he was in Richmond. The officer was going to cite him for speeding (60 km/h in 50 km/h). I don't recall the exact conversation but he told the officer most people goes 60. The officer then saids, which roads and my friend names them and questions why was he being pulled as he was following the flow of traffic.

What happens next, changed things... He then tells the officer that there is a spider crawling on him. The officer then looks and sees the spider (sort of big) and sort of freaks out. My friend then tell the officer to come closer to the car, the officer does. He then uses his palm and squash / kill the spider on the officer's chest.

As the officer is in relief with the spider gone, the officer lets my friend go (no ticket) and tell him to drive safely.

[zulutango]

"Spider Pig, Spider Pig....does whatever a Spider Pig does...." (Homer Simpson...the Simpson's Movie). :)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=714-Ioa4XQw


and for you older folks....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX5BngxRWLg

[6o4__boi]

saw an officer with a laser yesterday on hwy 1 just past the Burnaby lake stretch

i was in the middle lane following the flow of traffic, volume was pretty thick for a Sunday but surprisingly the flow was fast
limit is 90 but i must've been going 120-130 with a 5 second gap to the car in front of me, right lane was going ~110 and left lane was whizzing by at 130+

i rmbr thinking :lawl: officer must be having a field day on the laser since he could easily pick out anyone for speeding.

[meme405]

saw an officer with a laser yesterday on hwy 1 just past the Burnaby lake stretch

i was in the middle lane following the flow of traffic, volume was pretty thick for a Sunday but surprisingly the flow was fast
limit is 90 but i must've been going 120-130 with a 5 second gap to the car in front of me, right lane was going ~110 and left lane was whizzing by at 130+

i rmbr thinking :lawl: officer must be having a field day on the laser since he could easily pick out anyone for speeding.

Yup the speed limit is a complete joke from willingdon all the way accross the new bridge. Limit should be 110. I doubt we will ever see it above 100 though.

Anyone going 90 on that section of highway is a MAJOR impedance, and puts themselves at huge risk.

[Flatsix]

I have a question.

I have a very recognizable car, and was recently pulled over and given a speeding ticket.

The officer based his pulling me over on "us being called in by an off duty officer who said we were driving dangerously and speeding" - Which wasn't the case at all. We may have been speeding, but not more than anyone else was. We were driving with the flow of traffic except for passing people. Anyways, thats not important. He didn't get me on a gun or anything.

The officer said he was "giving me a huge break" and said that if I dispute the ticket, hes "going to see me and court and will charge (me) with street racing and excessive speed"

There were 4 of us driving together, on a single lane road. We were NOT street racing. He said that driving in a group and speeding is classified as speeding under the MVA.


What I'm wondering is:

A) Is the the officer legally allowed to 'blackmail' me into paying the ticket? Saying "pay it or i'll charge you with other offences'. He literally said: "If i get notice that you're disputing this ticket, I will meet you in court and i will bring the officer who called you in and will charge you with excessive speed and street racing, and will attempt to get your vehicle impounded"

Is this not blackmail? Isn't it my right to fight a ticket?

B) Can i be charged with another offence in court, if i'm going to fight the ticket? If i go to fight this speeding ticket, can i be further charged with something else if i wasn't charged at the time he wrote the other ticket?


Thanks for the insight.

Most likely if you take it to court it will be thrown out. You probably passed the off duty cop and pissed him off so he called his buddy. If a bunch of people called you it might be harder. But how he handled the situation it seems like he just wanted you to pay the fine.

If it was me I would take it to court the ticket is cheap but the points are no fun. If he does show up they usually give you a deal to pay the money and have no points.