[jasonturbo]

What a piece of shit, I hope he gets thrown in a Zimbabwe prison.

U.S. dentist wanted for killing Cecil the lion - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/index.html)

(CNN)An American man is being sought in connection with a case that has drawn international attention -- the killing of Cecil the lion -- Zimbabwean officials said Tuesday.

The man suspected in Cecil's death is Walter James Palmer of Eden Prairie, Minnesota, according to Johnny Rodrigues, head of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force.

Cecil, who was 13, was a prized lion in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park, where visitors reportedly sighted him frequently. A video of the animal, regal, indifferent and sleepy-eyed, has been widely disseminated.

He was a participant in a study that Oxford University in Britain was conducting, and he had been outfitted with a GPS collar.

A police official in Zimbabwe said that two Zimbabweans had been arrested in the case and that police were looking for Palmer.

Walter James Palmer, a U.S. hunter wanted for killing Cecil the lion, seen posing (on the left) with a dead ram.
Walter James Palmer, a U.S. hunter wanted for killing Cecil the lion, seen posing (on the left) with a dead ram.
An alleged $50,000 payment
The Zimbabweans, Honest Trymore Ndlovu and Theo Bronchorst, were due in court Wednesday, according to a statement from the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority and Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe. Bronchorst is a professional hunter, the statement said.

Rodrigues said Palmer was an American and gave his passport number and street address, but police were more vague. Charity Charamba, a Zimbabwe police spokeswoman, said police were seeking Palmer, "who might be an American or a Spaniard."

The allegation is that the lion was killed illegally, Charamba said.

In a statement Tuesday, Palmer, who runs a dental practice, said he hired professional guides who secured proper permits.

"To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted," he said in the statement.

"I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt."

He said no authorities in Zimbabwe or the United States had contacted him but he would assist them in any inquiries.

The hunter concluded: "Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion."

Palmer posing (on right) with dead Black Tailed deer. Palmer said he 'deeply' regrets killing Cecil the lion, and thought the hunt was legal.
Palmer posing (on right) with dead Black Tailed deer. Palmer said he 'deeply' regrets killing Cecil the lion, and thought the hunt was legal.
Rodrigues said that Palmer "apparently paid $50,000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronchorst received this money."

The incident may not be the first time Palmer has run afoul of the law while hunting.

A man by the same name and age, and from the same town, illegally killed a black bear in Wisconsin several years ago, according to court documents. That individual pleaded guilty to making a false statement

He knowingly made false statements to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and was sentenced to one year on probation and ordered to pay a fine of nearly $3,000, records show.

Attempts to contact Palmer's lawyer Tuesday about the 2006 case were unsuccessful. Jon Austin, a spokesman for Palmer, said he is aware of reports on the bear case, but had no information.

Wounded, then tracked for another 40 hours
Cecil's death was cruel, in Rodrigues' account.

On July 6, Rodrigues said, Bronchorst took Palmer to Hwange National Park.

"They went hunting at night with a spotlight, and they spotted Cecil," Rodrigues said. "They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park, and they scented an area about half a kilometer from the park," or about 550 yards.

Rodrigues said Palmer shot Cecil with an arrow but failed to kill him. Then the two men tracked Cecil, finding him about 40 hours later and shooting him to death with a gun, Rodrigues said.

They discovered that he had been fitted with a GPS collar and tried to destroy it, Rodrigues said.

Cecil was skinned and beheaded, Rodrigues said. Contrary to earlier reports, he said, the head has not been found.

"The saddest part of all is that, now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the hierarchy, Jericho will most likely kill all Cecil's cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females," Rodrigues said. "This is standard procedure for lions."

Conservation concerns
An animal protection group said Cecil's death was sad "not only from an animal welfare perspective, but also for conservation reasons."

African lion populations have fallen almost 60% over the past three decades, and as few as 32,000 of them remain in the wild, the International Fund for Animal Welfare said.

"As troubling as it is, the rarer these trophy hunted animals become, the more hunters are willing to pay to kill them -- like the American hunter who recently paid $350,000 to kill a critically endangered black rhino in Namibia," said Jeff Flocken, the fund's North American regional director.

[multicartual]

Why do you care so much what other people do with their lives?


Whether it is collecting minions or lion pelts, how does this affect your life at all?


It doesn't. Stop complaining.*








*Devil's advocate

[Manic!]

That guys life is headed for a big world of hurt.

[knight604]

Why do you care so much what other people do with their lives?

Whether it is collecting minions or lion pelts, how does this affect your life at all?

It doesn't. Stop complaining.*

*Devil's advocate

Why do you care so much about what he posts on RS?

Whether it is buying cars left and right that one would dream about owning to stories regarding a Trophy hunter killing famous park lion , how does it affect your life at all?

It does not , stop caring so much and fuck more whores.

[68style]

Understanding of facetious statements is strong in the whiteknight604 :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

RS has turned into the public shaming forum

Though I suppose you could say that about the entire internet

[carisear]

speaking of public shaming,

Viral video of man screaming at woman for opening car door for dog taken down - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/07/28/viral-video-of-man-screaming-at-woman-for-opening-car-door-for-dog-taken-down/)


“Hey everyone, so I was recently informed that the man in the video has a mental disorder and isn’t in the best situation already without the shaming as a result of the video I’ve posted so I have privated it.As important as it is to make sure you don’t leave dogs or any other pets or toddlers in hot cars, it’s also important to think about what you do on social media and how it affects others and I didn’t think about the latter half carefully enough. I know it’s too late and that too much damage has been done already, but please try to understand the man’s situation and avoid shaming him further.
As much as the guy was mean and rude, please, just remember that the safety of the animal is what should have been the main concern and I would appreciate it if further degrading comments about the man stop.
There is another side to any story and I encourage all of you to think about that as well.”

sometimes people have a bad day. but with current technology, that one bad moment can ruin a persons life forever.

[Ch28]

The six cubs of Cecil will now be killed by the new male lion in the pride, Johnny Rodrigues added, in order to encourage the lionesses to mate with him. "That's how it works... it's in the wild. It's nature taking its course," he added.

About a century ago there were around 200,000 lions roaming across Africa but that figure has dropped to less than 30,000 in recent years.

Fuck

[Ch28]

Jimmy Kimmel did a great speech about this today. It was hard to see him choke up at the end and almost cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzXpE1mjqA

[multicartual]

Why are you people trying to tell other people how to live?


Shooting a lion in Africa has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on your life.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

hahaha...

too bad... so sad... (i kinda mean it).

but why i'm laughing?

"now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the hierarchy, Jericho will most likely kill all Cecil's cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females,"

we go out to defend a creature, from being hunted and killed... when that creature itself will kill all of it's next of kin's children and fuck all their wives so that only his own genes can be passed on.

who's defending the poor cubs from the killer dad? someone think of the cubs!!!

then he's gonna rape the females!!! and "INSERT" his bloodline!!!

fuck, i should go kill someone's kids and "INSERT" my bloodline into them, maybe i'll get some people to defend me from being killed too.

oh wait wait... i'm not an animal... i'd go to prison for that... but wait, doesn't a lion understand what it's doing? otherwise... it wouldn't be so strategically and logically eliminating an entire bloodline so that he may come out on top... why can't i do that... AND have a posse?

if i had a magic wand and turned that lion into a human, he'd immediately be socially shamed and prosecuted and executed for murder of multiple infants and multiple accounts of rape lol.

the whole thing is like circque du insanity. what a circus, what a buncha clowns running everywhere. chaotic.

[SkinnyPupp]

hahaha...

too bad... so sad... (i kinda mean it).

but why i'm laughing?



we go out to defend a creature, from being hunted and killed... when that creature itself will kill all of it's next of kin's children and fuck all their wives so that only his own genes can be passed on.

who's defending the poor cubs from the killer dad? someone think of the cubs!!!

then he's gonna rape the females!!! and "INSERT" his bloodline!!!

fuck, i should go kill someone's kids and "INSERT" my bloodline into them, maybe i'll get some people to defend me from being killed too.

oh wait wait... i'm not an animal... i'd go to prison for that... but wait, doesn't a lion understand what it's doing? otherwise... it wouldn't be so strategically and logically eliminating an entire bloodline so that he may come out on top... why can't i do that... AND have a posse?

if i had a magic wand and turned that lion into a human, he'd immediately be socially shamed and prosecuted and executed for murder for multiple infants. lol.

the whole thing is like circque du insanity. what a circus, what a buncha clowns running everywhere. chaotic.
DansGame

[smoothie.]

Some people really missed the point.

[multicartual]

Some people really missed the point.


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[MarkyMark]

I'll never understand trophy hunting, but for those who do you could at least do it humanely. Shooting something with a bow and arrow and then stalking it for 2 days doesn't sound like the best way to go about it.

[jasonturbo]

"interesting" replies lol...

I certainly don't lose any sleep over the fact that Cecil is dead, and no it does not really affect my life. But, if every Cecil on earth gets shot by some hillbilly dentist with a small cock it will eventually affect my life.

On a personal note, a few years back a business acquaintance of mine went cougar hunting, it went like this;
- Drive out to the cougar hole with a truck and a couple dogs
- Dogs track cougar
- Dogs annoy cougar
- Cougar climbs tree
- Hero hunter shoots cougar with a bow from like 20 feet away
- Cougar falls out of tree and dies
- Hero posts pics on FB holding dead cougar so proud of himself
- Stuffs cougar and puts it in his office

Douche.

[SkinnyPupp]

"interesting" replies lol...

I certainly don't lose any sleep over the fact that Cecil is dead, and no it does not really affect my life. But, if every Cecil on earth gets shot by some hillbilly dentist with a small cock it will eventually affect my life.

On a personal note, a few years back a business acquaintance of mine went cougar hunting, it went like this;
- Drive out to the cougar hole with a truck and a couple dogs
- Dogs track cougar
- Dogs annoy cougar
- Cougar climbs tree
- Hero hunter shoots cougar with a bow from like 20 feet away
- Cougar falls out of tree and dies
- Hero posts pics on FB holding dead cougar so proud of himself
- Stuffs cougar and puts it in his office

Douche.
I'm not a fan of game hunting but... uh that's how you hunt cougars... It must be awesome to do it. But yeah for me if you're not going to eat the animal or use it for anything other than a trophy (such as culling, which is sometimes necessary), fuck you.

[MarkyMark]

It seems like a very odd hobby, to be like "look at that beautiful animal, you know what would make it look better though? If I shot it from a safe distance and then took a picture of myself next to its dead carcass like I just wrestled it to death with my bare hands"

[4doorVIP]

imo the poacher should serve 5-10 hard years of community service at Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park

[white rocket]

Hunting animals should only be for food. That's it. Trophy hunting? That just sounds stupid. If you want to increase the size of your penis or self worth please choose a safer route.

The only time game hunting should be allowed if it's other humans. Sign me up for that shit!!

[CivicBlues]

What a piece of shit, I hope he gets thrown in a Zimbabwe prison.


Right, because now that he's safely back in the states he's going to feel bad and go back to Zimbabwe to serve out a sentence in a Zimbabwe prison. :rukidding:

Oh and I highly doubt Zimbabwe will even prosecute him seeing as they probably extracted 10s of thousands of dollars from him in permits and other "fees".

This is Robert Mugabe's rabidly anti-white Zimbabwe BTW...

Why the fuck is all the blame on the Dentist when it was pretty likely it was the local guides that singled out the lion and lured it out of the Reserve to be shot. Why is no one placing any blame on the Zimbabwean guides? FailFish

Zimbabwe!

[trollguy]

ulic, i dont think comparing the natural circle of life in the animal kingdom justifies hunting?

[originalhypa]

Hunting animals should only be for food. That's it. Trophy hunting? That just sounds stupid. If you want to increase the size of your penis or self worth please choose a safer route.


I'm proud to live in such a great country that I can worry about things like African trophy hunting, rather than fighting starvation, or cancer of the prick.

Trollguy, as crazy as this sounds, Ulic made a good point. The new Lion is going to kill the old Lion's cubs. Seriously? We're up in arms about a human killing a single lion, while the new cat is going to kill multiple lions? Some humans are dicks. But when instinct kicks in, all animals are capable of brutality.

The truth is that nature is a bitch. It really is.
When we used to farm Peacocks, I witnessed first hand the violence of animals. Hens picking away at the eyes of chicks, in order to give their chicks better access to the food. Male Peacocks beating the hell out of a peahen because she was sitting on another hen's eggs. Systematic destruction of eggs by males, because the other male may have fertilized the egg.

I've seen coyotes tear a sheep in half, take the intestines, and leave the rest. I've seen the aftermath of a cougar killing a calf, then dragging it into a tree. I know kids who raised lambs in 4H, only to sell them at auction to the highest bidder. And these lambs aren't going to the circus.

Nature is fucked up. There is a reason why we call a deranged killer an "animal". Have you ever seen a cat hunt a bird? Those fuckers kill for sport!

[trollguy]

oh i understand his point and why hes saying it, but i think why everyone is upset is because of the status of the lion. if the lion wasnt such a celebrity and considered protected, nobody would care.... well less people would care.

i suppose i should have worded my response (in fear of a tl;dr from ulic ;) ) that does the circle of life in the animal kingdom justify this particular kill (with all the politics behind said animal)

[trollguy]

and wait, you farmed peacocks??? did i know this??? lol

[originalhypa]

I hated those damn things!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/new_house_in_langley/630803a8.jpg

They were pretty to look at, but they were violent and their shrill, high pitched shrieks would grate on my nerves.


Also, poop.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/51de1b3c.jpg


Then I stepped on it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/hypasteve/1502cce7.jpg


:fuuuuu:

[white rocket]

Good points hypa. The big difference for me in the animal instinct vs. feeding egos. Human are not instinctually bred to hunt lions with guns in a foreign country. That shit comes from ego. The circle of life, as it were, is full of brutal stuff like you mentioned but that's just it. The circle of life. The cougar isn't trying to kill the calf to show off to it's friends or hang that shit on the wall in its cave home and post it on Facebook. It's trying to eat or protect it's domain.

Let's all go hunting(for food) without weapons and do it like animals do. How long would our pussy-ass species last then?

in other news: peacocks freak me the fuck out

[smoothie.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o3XGmV6TtI

[trollguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zLx_JtcQVI

[white rocket]

.............and what just showed up in my email box? A Change.org petition for Cecil no less. Guess I better sign that shit :P

[vitaminG]

like the American hunter who recently paid $350,000 to kill a critically endangered black rhino in Namibia

That rhino was actually killed for conservation reasons and the money paid went towards further conservation efforts. I question the credibility of the animal welfare fund who does not understand that

http://news.discovery.com/animals/endangered-species/black-rhino-killed-in-controversial-hunt-150520.htm

The rhino he shot was an older male that, according to wildlife managers in Namibia’s Ministry of Environment and Tourism, was not reproducing and because rhinos are fiercely territorial, was also threatening younger males who could reproduce. Shooting it, the conservation case went, would give the healthy males a better chance at mating with the females

[multicartual]

Doesn't matter if it is collecting minions or lion pelts, neither affects your life at all. Stop trying to tell other people what to do or be interested in.

[bobbinka]

Doesn't matter if it is collecting minions or lion pelts, neither affects your life at all. Stop trying to tell other people what to do or be interested in.

The ironing is delicious.

[multicartual]

The ironing is delicious.


http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/didnt-read-lol-dancing-bodybuilder.gif

[StylinRed]

Didn't read the thread, so I'm not sure if its been mentioned (don't care to check :p ) but there are legal hunts of Lions, you can even eat Lion meat there, the president had them for his birthday or commemoration feast

[Tone Loc]

I kinda feel bad for this guy. Yes, he is a douche who did something highly unethical and also illegal. Furthermore, his "apology" is pathetic and is dripping of sarcasm and a general lack of remorse for his actions.

But all the public shaming and real-world harassment of this guy needs to stop. How would you feel if a bunch of random angry strangers camped outside your house and made your wife and kids feel unsafe? Or if you were vilified on social media to the point that you had to leave your place of work and face the prospect of not being able to make a living?

I am willing to be that many of these social justice warriors and keyboard animal rights activists who are shaming him, both online and publicly, have never really done anything constructive (whether it be time- or money-wise) to stop trophy hunting and increase wildlife conservation efforts.... just my $0.02. Social media has gotten ridiculous with its "witch hunt" and the wanton destruction of peoples' professional and social lives with no regard for the consequences.

[underscore]

In a statement Tuesday, Palmer, who runs a dental practice, said he hired professional guides who secured proper permits.

"To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted," he said in the statement.

To me the above is an important part of this that should be covered before people go losing their shit on this guy. If what he says is true, then I find it hard to fully fault the guy if he honestly believed that he was doing everything legally and properly. Allowing legal, controlled hunts provides a lot of funding for conservation efforts and helps prevent poaching after all.

But of course if he's lying and knew it was illegal from the get go then fuck him.

[twitchyzero]

RS has turned into the public shaming forum

Though I suppose you could say that about the entire internet

my 1st stop on RS is shitty drivers' thread
:chairdance:

[nah]

the thing i don't get is that he's already killed a lion previously, if you're a collector why would you want/need another of the same animal unless he specifically wanted Cecil.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

ulic, i dont think comparing the natural circle of life in the animal kingdom justifies hunting?

http://puu.sh/jio1r/a02c102927.jpg

this guy disagrees.

I am not a hunter, nor do i want to hunt. but I get it. and so does the predator.

you fuckin hunt cuz you're on the top. you're boss. you're alpha. you exert that through the action of dominance and you remind all the fuckin shit below you of that through hunting their asses and hanging them up (or if you're the predator you skin them and hang them up and polish their skulls).

it's our lions roar. except we like to hang up and collect corpses and body parts and dangle them everywhere.

you can disagree and call them cowards, but when it's your head hanging on their walls, who's got the last laugh? all that matters is, you're dead, and they're not, and they killed you. therefore they win.

[Manic!]

you fuckin hunt cuz you're on the top. you're boss. you're alpha. you exert that through the action of dominance and you remind all the fuckin shit below you of that through hunting their asses and hanging them up (or if you're the predator you skin them and hang them up and polish their skulls).



I don't think hat this guy did qualifies as hunting. Sitting in a jeep drinking a latte and eating finger sandwiches while a group of people try to corner a lion for you does not make top of the food chain. If he really wanted to be top boss he should have gone in alone with just a bow and arrow and tracked the lion himself.

[TOS'd]

To me the above is an important part of this that should be covered before people go losing their shit on this guy. If what he says is true, then I find it hard to fully fault the guy if he honestly believed that he was doing everything legally and properly. Allowing legal, controlled hunts provides a lot of funding for conservation efforts and helps prevent poaching after all.

But of course if he's lying and knew it was illegal from the get go then fuck him.

His past sure doesn't help him. Like when he killed a bear outside of the hunting zone and lied about where he killed it.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I don't think hat this guy did qualifies as hunting. Sitting in a jeep drinking a latte and eating finger sandwiches while a group of people try to corner a lion for you does not make top of the food chain. If he really wanted to be top boss he should have gone in alone with just a bow and arrow and tracked the lion himself.

sure that's your definition

the lion is dead, and he isnt.

so who's the hunter and who's the hunted?

doesn't matter if i push a button and send robots to kill/hunt for me. i'm still hunting. i'm still killing them, and they aren't killing me.

all that matters is the end game.

it does make him the top of the food chain.

think about it. he does it so easily.

the harder you work to achieve your goal, the lesser you are.
if i sit there and press a button and kill 10000 lions, and you have to work your ass off to maybe kill 1. who's at the top of the food chain?

your ideals dont match reality. reality doesn't care how you do it. as long as u get it done.

they dead, you arent=they lose. you win.

we have intelligence, intuition, and technology. we leverage those things instead of using primitive methods of inefficiency.

[Manic!]

sure that's your definition

the lion is dead, and he isnt.

so who's the hunter and who's the hunted?

doesn't matter if i push a button and send robots to kill/hunt for me. i'm still hunting. i'm still killing them, and they aren't killing me.

all that matters is the end game.

it does make him the top of the food chain.

think about it. he does it so easily.

the harder you work to achieve your goal, the lesser you are.
if i sit there and press a button and kill 10000 lions, and you have to work your ass off to maybe kill 1. who's at the top of the food chain?

your ideals dont match reality. reality doesn't care how you do it. as long as u get it done.

they dead, you arent=they lose. you win.

we have intelligence, intuition, and technology. we leverage those things instead of using primitive methods of inefficiency.

Sorry but a guy who works at a slaughter house is not a hunter. They call trophy hunting a sport. A sport has to have some skill involved. The killing of the lion required no skill from the dentist. That lion was dead as soon as he paid the 50k. aA 8 year old with 50K could do the same thing.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Sorry but a guy who works at a slaughter house is not a hunter. They call trophy hunting a sport. A sport has to have some skill involved. The killing of the lion required no skill from the dentist. That lion was dead as soon as he paid the 50k. aA 8 year old with 50K could do the same thing.

yeah so don't you think that's pretty amazing.

an 8 year old can kill any vicious animal on this planet with some paper.

that's pretty top of the food chain to me bro.

you're not seeing the bigger picture... where does that 50k come from. how did money even come to be? we invented that shit. it's fucking complex as hell. it can buy u a gun, it can buy you an army. it can buy you anything you want. hell it can buy you pussy... you can pay someone else to hunt for you. HELL, you can use it and go to space. send robots to mars and far away places.

they don't need the skill any more. they're above that... they have money. a complex tool invented by man. you don't need anything, you just buy the people that have the skill, cuz that's what money does. like a god. you think god does any actual work? no he just snaps his god damn fingers and it's done. we can't just snap our fingers... but we can do the next best thing, throw money at someone to do the work for us.

you don't see how ANY man. even a physically disabled man, is alpha to any animal as long as he has money?

like multicartual said once... we are all wizards, and money is our mana. you use that shit to cast your wish.

he wishes to kill a lion, and he fucking threw some mana and it was done.

it doesn't matter what you think the definition of a hunter is... the animal got hunted, and it died. you're right. as soon as he paid the 50k. isn't that the most amazing skill you've heard of?

the animal was PREDESTINED to die, as soon as someone threw money in the right direction. that's some fucking alpha top of the food chain magic dude.

it's like saying someone isn't successful if they used money to buy a successful company. lol. it doesn't work like that dude.

only the end result matters. and like i said many times. he willed the lion to die. and the lion did. and he isn't dead. so... there's no real argument here... the lion is dead. he is not. last one standing is always the victor.

i think what you're trying to say is, he has no skill. a person with real skill would like... kill the lion with his bare hands or something. sure, i can agree with that. but what im trying to say is, skill is not needed when you have money. money makes you above that. hence white collar vs blue collar. the white collars pay the blue collars with the skill to do it. that's... how humans work. i duno about you, i'd rather be the one snapping my fingers and just getting whatever i want done without doing any of the work. that seems the most boss to me. to command others. using only my mind, and my voice. that's as close to god as a human can get!!!

what people don't get is ... that the money you command, IS part of you. it is a personal attribute. sure you can lose it. but no different than anything else. you can lose your muscles due to old age, or not working out. you can lose your skills due to... also old age or brain damage or degeneration. don't view money as some foreign thing... your money, is part of your definition. it defines how much command of others you have. for all the people thinking "i can't be bought" ... well yeah sure, maybe you can't. but others can. there's billions of people, for every 1 person that says no there will be hundreds of thousands that are lining up to suck up that paper, to do your bidding.

everyone wants mana. no mana, no spells, no game. gg bro.

[neggo]

sure that's your definition

the lion is dead, and he isnt.

so who's the hunter and who's the hunted?

doesn't matter if i push a button and send robots to kill/hunt for me. i'm still hunting. i'm still killing them, and they aren't killing me.

all that matters is the end game.

it does make him the top of the food chain.

think about it. he does it so easily.

the harder you work to achieve your goal, the lesser you are.
if i sit there and press a button and kill 10000 lions, and you have to work your ass off to maybe kill 1. who's at the top of the food chain?

your ideals dont match reality. reality doesn't care how you do it. as long as u get it done.

they dead, you arent=they lose. you win.

we have intelligence, intuition, and technology. we leverage those things instead of using primitive methods of inefficiency.

doesn't matter if you're on top of the food chain when you're literally fucking with the already dwindling populations of several species. when they're all dead, that is by no means considered a "win".

[underscore]

His past sure doesn't help him. Like when he killed a bear outside of the hunting zone and lied about where he killed it.

That part could go either way, and honestly it's hard for anyone to know based on articles.

Scenario A: He killed the bear not knowing he had gone outside of a hunting zone, panicked when he found out and lied. Learning from this he hired what he thought were the right guides with the proper permits to ensure he didn't end up in such a mess again.

Scenario B: He killed the bear knowing he had gone outside of a hunting zone and lied to cover his ass. He then hired guides that were willing to help him get a lion without regard for doing so correctly, and is just lying again to cover his ass.

Although if he brought the head and pelt back to the US wouldn't he have needed to have the correct paperwork to transport it? Things like a lion head aren't just tucked in your carry on, you're going to need paperwork to bring that into most countries.

[6o4__boi]

I kinda feel bad for this guy..

after paying $50k to hunt, this is probably him right now

http://i.giphy.com/94EQmVHkveNck.gif



pretty much rs right now

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[freakshow]

doesn't matter if you're on top of the food chain when you're literally fucking with the already dwindling populations of several species. when they're all dead, that is by no means considered a "win".
IF the hunt was legal, that wouldn't have been a concern though

[jasonturbo]

yeah so don't you think that's pretty amazing.

an 8 year old can kill any vicious animal on this planet with some paper.

that's pretty top of the food chain to me bro.

you're not seeing the bigger picture... where does that 50k come from. how did money even come to be? we invented that shit. it's fucking complex as hell. it can buy u a gun, it can buy you an army. it can buy you anything you want. hell it can buy you pussy... you can pay someone else to hunt for you. HELL, you can use it and go to space. send robots to mars and far away places.

they don't need the skill any more. they're above that... they have money. a complex tool invented by man. you don't need anything, you just buy the people that have the skill, cuz that's what money does. like a god. you think god does any actual work? no he just snaps his god damn fingers and it's done. we can't just snap our fingers... but we can do the next best thing, throw money at someone to do the work for us.

you don't see how ANY man. even a physically disabled man, is alpha to any animal as long as he has money?

like multicartual said once... we are all wizards, and money is our mana. you use that shit to cast your wish.

he wishes to kill a lion, and he fucking threw some mana and it was done.

it doesn't matter what you think the definition of a hunter is... the animal got hunted, and it died. you're right. as soon as he paid the 50k. isn't that the most amazing skill you've heard of?

the animal was PREDESTINED to die, as soon as someone threw money in the right direction. that's some fucking alpha top of the food chain magic dude.

it's like saying someone isn't successful if they used money to buy a successful company. lol. it doesn't work like that dude.

only the end result matters. and like i said many times. he willed the lion to die. and the lion did. and he isn't dead. so... there's no real argument here... the lion is dead. he is not. last one standing is always the victor.

i think what you're trying to say is, he has no skill. a person with real skill would like... kill the lion with his bare hands or something. sure, i can agree with that. but what im trying to say is, skill is not needed when you have money. money makes you above that. hence white collar vs blue collar. the white collars pay the blue collars with the skill to do it. that's... how humans work. i duno about you, i'd rather be the one snapping my fingers and just getting whatever i want done without doing any of the work. that seems the most boss to me. to command others. using only my mind, and my voice. that's as close to god as a human can get!!!

what people don't get is ... that the money you command, IS part of you. it is a personal attribute. sure you can lose it. but no different than anything else. you can lose your muscles due to old age, or not working out. you can lose your skills due to... also old age or brain damage or degeneration. don't view money as some foreign thing... your money, is part of your definition. it defines how much command of others you have. for all the people thinking "i can't be bought" ... well yeah sure, maybe you can't. but others can. there's billions of people, for every 1 person that says no there will be hundreds of thousands that are lining up to suck up that paper, to do your bidding.

everyone wants mana. no mana, no spells, no game. gg bro.

Cool story bro.

[trollguy]

WTF

[Manic!]

So Ulic Qel-Droma who is the top dog Michael Jordan or the guy who paid Michael Jordan to play on the Bulls?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

So Ulic Qel-Droma who is the top dog Michael Jordan or the guy who paid Michael Jordan to play on the Bulls?

uhh obviously the guy who owns the fucking team. jesus what kinda question is that.
you obviously don't know who Jerry M. Reinsdorf is. he's the guy that like... paid michael jordan. he's the hand that feeds him. the guy that enabled him to be a fucking star. the god behind the scenes. michael jordan made him hundreds of millions of dollars lol if not more. michael jordan didn't become a power baller till after he stopped playing basket ball.

it's like asking who the boss is, the "in trend" pop star or the record label that owns them.

the guy that puts everything together. the guy that commands. the owner. the one with most influential power. is always the boss. everyone else is just a pawn and can be bought out and switched out between other bosses.

you're like asking me who the boss of a gang is. the guy who does the killing or the guy that sits in his fucking mansion and tells the guy to go kill someone. the mafia boss is the boss. not any of his henchmen.

you guys are fuckin weird. are you guys all secretly religious or something?

obviously when there is a clash of values, at the end of the day, the guy who ends up 6 feet under is dead. and the guy who isn't... well, isn't.

the guy who's 6 feet under, his values cease to exist. the universe forgets who they are. they're dead. they don't matter. the victor continues to influence others and shape the world closer to his values, and the dead guy IS DEAD.

what's so hard to understand about that?

Unless you guys ARE religious and believe there ARE objective morals that are sewn into the fabric of reality. otherwise... everything is subjective, and the dead are the losers. cuz they can't fight back. they dead. DEAD. understand?

why the fuck do you think ISIS are chopping off our heads, and we're dropping bombs on their fucking asses? cuz if we kill them, then we win. they will stop spreading their shit. if they win, then we're dead and we stop spreading our shit.

how did you guys miss out on cluing in ... on the most basic fundamental way interactions between value systems work? uhhh hello? have you guys ever picked up a book and read anything about like... anything since the beginning or recorded history? you ever think about why we are so good at killing shit? like we're the BEST at killing shit. and we kill each other all the god damn time, because of the very things i just mentioned... clash of values. and the dead, always lose. you fucking tell me a time where the dead won and wrote history. lol. jesus. nothing else matters. NOTHING. they kill you, the end. they win.

you know how ironic it is you guys are bashing my explanation when the article itself STATES that Jericho , the next lion in line, will fucking kill ALL of cecil's cubs? YOU KNOW WHY???? JEE I WONDER WHY. cuz then he'll WIN. and cecil's cubs and his bloodline and DNA and values will CEASE TO EXIST. human kills cecil, jericho kills cecil's cubs. cecil's values and thoughts and everything in this world that could have been influenced by cecil, VANISHES. THE END.

you guys might not think he's a boss for killing the lion in a cowardly way... but you must have enough brains to agree with me that cecil definitely aint the boss in this scenario LOL. his corpse doesn't even have a head any more, how boss is that.

cecil most probably killed all the cubs of the ex alpha he kicked out. even a fucking lion knows what i'm talking about.

[Manic!]

uhh obviously the guy who owns the fucking team. jesus what kinda question is that.
you obviously don't know who Jerry M. Reinsdorf is. he's the guy that like... paid michael jordan. he's the hand that feeds him. the guy that enabled him to be a fucking star. the god behind the scenes. michael jordan made him hundreds of millions of dollars lol if not more. michael jordan didn't become a power baller till after he stopped playing basket ball.

it's like asking who the boss is, the "in trend" pop star or the record label that owns them.


Jordan could have played on any team he wanted to.

The way you do something matters. People claim Usain bolt is the worlds fastest man but I am faster than him in my car. If you want to be considered a hunter you have to actually do some hunting not just site in the back of a jeep like your name is Daisy.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Jordan could have played on any team he wanted to.

The way you do something matters. People claim Usain bolt is the worlds fastest man but I am faster than him in my car. If you want to be considered a hunter you have to actually do some hunting not just site in the back of a jeep like your name is Daisy.

yeah well if that's true, then he chose the bulls. so... what's that gotta say about the bulls and their owner? lol. like having the best warrior choose to serve under a specific king. the king is still the king and goes "hell yah, that's MY boy, now go make the crowd cheer and love this team!"

usain bolt is the fastest runner on earth currently known.

he is most definitely not the fastest man. lol. the guys orbiting in the space station are going much faster than you probably ever will so they can claim that.

i don't think he ever claims he was a hunter. those guys he hired are better hunters than him.

he just wanted to kill a lion. that's all. and he did. lol. so... what are you arguing about.

he wanted to experience the THRILL of the hunt. cuz i mean, isn't that what it's all about?

hardly anyone has the passion to actually learn how to hunt. they just want the thrill. it's like a drug. and he got what he want. the end.

one more thing, i'm pretty sure by any definition, him and those people he hired "hunted" down and killed the lion. u can replace the word hunted with tracked or... lured... stalked... or whatever.

they essentially all mean the same thing. "entity X seeks out and destroys entity Y". you can argue whether they're called hunters or cowards or ass fuckers all you like. my statement still stands true. you're just arguing semantics. like sure u can argue what a hunter means in the dictionary all you want. lol. but that doesn't change the facts. anyone can change the definition of what a hunter is. it doesn't change the fact that X destroys Y.

[smoothie.]

Can we hire someone to tldr posts?

[white rocket]

you fucking tell me a time where the dead won and wrote history. lol.

and literally the next word

jesus.

Mind blown.

[Great68]

I personally don't support the killing of any animal unless it's for food or safety.

But if this guy actually got all the appropriate legal paperwork to do what he did, than it's not him that people should be angry at but rather they should be angry at the country that allowed him to do it.

Either way, Zimbabwe is a sovereign country, if they want to let people kill lions in their country it's their right to do so.

[underscore]

I personally don't support the killing of any animal unless it's for food or safety.

Serious question here, and I'm curious if anyone can answer it: What's the difference between killing a lion/deer/whatever and leaving the meat to other animals and insects, and something like buying feeder mice for a snake, or meat for lions in the zoo?

I don't like the notion that the meat is being "wasted" if the hunter doesn't eat it. Sure that would be ideal, but unless you're burning the meat something is going to be eating it and using that to continue its life.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Serious question here, and I'm curious if anyone can answer it: What's the difference between killing a lion/deer/whatever and leaving the meat to other animals and insects, and something like buying feeder mice for a snake, or meat for lions in the zoo?

I don't like the notion that the meat is being "wasted" if the hunter doesn't eat it. Sure that would be ideal, but unless you're burning the meat something is going to be eating it and using that to continue its life.

well lion is pretty top of the food chain where it lives.

killing a deer, probably means lions and other carnivours will eat it, then the scavangers (vultures and shit) will eat the remains, and then the flies and bacteria will eat the rest.

but nothing hunts and eats a lion except scavangers, and then bugs and bacteria (that will eat it when it dies of injury or old age). well humans hunt lions lol. but we don't eat them.

if you kill a lion and don't eat it, i don't think anything will starve, the scavengers and bugs and bacteria will have a feast (bugs and bacteria don't really count cuz they eat everything lol).

but if you kill a deer and don't eat it, and a carnivore doesn't find it before the scavengers and bugs and bacteria... you're potentially putting a carnivore in starvation, cuz that was his potential meal.

but you are right, there is no shortage of food in the world, and in the big picture it doesn't matter cuz something is gonna eat it.

people just don't like thing being killed needlessly.

[NKC ONE]

This guy just fucked with the wrong Lion.

[Manic!]

I personally don't support the killing of any animal unless it's for food or safety.

But if this guy actually got all the appropriate legal paperwork to do what he did, than it's not him that people should be angry at but rather they should be angry at the country that allowed him to do it.

Either way, Zimbabwe is a sovereign country, if they want to let people kill lions in their country it's their right to do so.

He did not have the proper paper work to kill that line. That line was in a protected national park and was being tracked with a GPS collar. You cannot kill Animals in a protected park. This animal was lured out of a protected park and had it's GPS collar removed.

Also Zimbabwe says he broke the law and wants him extradited.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

funny how people work.

the dog is in the car, the law doesn't matter!

the lion is in the park, the law matters!

why can't anyone just grow a pair of balls and come out and say "I'm a crazy animal lover, and i value an animals life over a humans"

and that's the only words you need to say, and you'll have made your point.

lol. but you'll look crazy. cuz you are.

[freakshow]

Why would that make a person look crazy? no one in this world can tell me what i should and shouldn't like over anything else.
if i want to kill a person and praise an animal or a rock, who can call me call me crazy? you value the life of a human, i value the life of a rock more.
if i can get away with it, if i can kill whoever opposes me, for the sake of my rocks, i'm gonna do it
you're crazy for imposing your relative moral/crazy scale on me. nothing is objective. only what i choose to do with my life matters!



/ulic



:)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

sure, but im sure a person that values a rock will eventually die out, cuz like, rocks cant defend them and help them work in a team LOL.

you can't just kill people and not expect them to kill you back lol, you have to make sure you stay alive. and u need the help of others.

aint no body gonna join your rock loving cult. trust me. well, unless rocks are people. then you're sitting on a big one right now.

unless by rocks you mean diamonds. then yeah. but most of em will be crazy women that will want alimony as soon as they find out you love the rocks more than them.

[Ronin]

A bit of a dick thing to do but he didn't break any laws himself...his guides sort of fucked him on this one.

[DGN23]

Ulic Qel-Droma

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but your posts make you sound moronic and juvenile. Case and point. Your post about the Bulls owner being the "King". :rukidding: Athletes as good as Jordan make the demands if anything. You think the owner of the bulls paid Jordan what he did because he was a nice guy. No, he paid him that because if he didn't Jordan would have happily gone to a team that would have. The players sell the tickets and the merchandise that make the team/owner money. If you have shit players you aren't selling tickets or merchandise and you aren't making money. Therefore Jordan is the king. People paid to see him play and bought jerseys because of him. Not some cankerous old fuck who nobody remembers. For the last couple days every time I come on RS this thread is at the top because of your stupid ass posts trying to convince everyone in here that your right and they're wrong. Just move the fuck on.

he didn't break any laws himself...his guides sort of fucked him on this one.

How do you figure that? If I tell you it's ok to shoot someone and they die; you're telling me that you're in the clear on the murder charge? Wether you know an act is illegal or not, committing the act still makes you accountable.

[jasonturbo]

Yup, no tags to kill any Lion, never mind one that resides in a national park... and he only kept the head and pelt... doesn't matter where you come from that's illegal poaching. Plus supposedly you are not allowed to shoot lions with a Bow in Zimbabwe.

I like how earlier in this thread someone was like "what are they going to do now that he's out of the country".. well exactly what I thought, request extradition lol.

And I wouldn't be shocked if the US government feeds him to the lions.

Lame pun, I know :troll:

[Manic!]

A bit of a dick thing to do but he didn't break any laws himself...his guides sort of fucked him on this one.

He did break the law by killing the Lion. Ignorance of the law does not mean you are not criminally responsible.

[hud 91gt]

I'm a huge animal lover. When I read the first news articles I was outraged. After I read the dentists letter to his patients it dawned in me how once again the media can skew things left right and center. He says everything was done properly and legally according to what he knew. I'm also sure he's not a stupid man, and knows the consequences of messing with the laws in other countries. He may have known what they were doing was in the wrong, but he covered his ass completely, and the "hunters" are the ones to blame. He just used his cash to persuade the situation. Unfortunate situation, but it is what it is and I don't think he can be blamed. What a dick. Lol

As long as he can keep proving naivety, I'd say he's gojng tk get off Scott free. Well besides his medical practice being ruined. Lol

[MarkyMark]

lol i'm sure he would take any sort of fine rather than the punishment hes already gotten, that ain't scott free.

[nah]

He must have had some sort of paper work if he was able to take the pelt and head out of the country or he'd be in a Zimbabwe jail right now.

[EmperorIS]

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Ulic Qel-Droma

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but your posts make you sound moronic and juvenile. Case and point. Your post about the Bulls owner being the "King". :rukidding: Athletes as good as Jordan make the demands if anything. You think the owner of the bulls paid Jordan what he did because he was a nice guy. No, he paid him that because if he didn't Jordan would have happily gone to a team that would have. The players sell the tickets and the merchandise that make the team/owner money. If you have shit players you aren't selling tickets or merchandise and you aren't making money. Therefore Jordan is the king. People paid to see him play and bought jerseys because of him. Not some cankerous old fuck who nobody remembers. For the last couple days every time I come on RS this thread is at the top because of your stupid ass posts trying to convince everyone in here that your right and they're wrong. Just move the fuck on.


jesus, all i'm saying is the lion is dead, he is not. and he is the DIRECT cause of the lion's death. you can call him whatever you want to make him lower in some way. but he's not the dead one. i'm pretty sure being is dead is worse, and lower than anything you can call him lol. the lion got owned. owned hard.

can't you see the guy just sees it as a game. he's the same mother fucker that hacks in a game like CS and head shots everyone. in those terms you'd say he owned everyone. so... yeah. it's just a game. he went to hunt game. a real life game.

you don't have to agree with me. you just have to answer to reality, like the lion did lol.

[DGN23]

jesus, all i'm saying is the lion is dead, he is not. and he is the DIRECT cause of the lion's death. you can call him whatever you want to make him lower in some way. but he's not the dead one. i'm pretty sure being is dead is worse, and lower than anything you can call him lol. the lion got owned. owned hard.

can't you see the guy just sees it as a game. he's the same mother fucker that hacks in a game like CS and head shots everyone. in those terms you'd say he owned everyone. so... yeah. it's just a game. he went to hunt game. a real life game.

you don't have to agree with me. you just have to answer to reality, like the lion did lol.

You're proving my point once again. At no point in my post did I give any opinion on the Lion or the dentist. My post was directed solely at you and the fact that you think that money is king and is the end all be all in life and the dentist is coming out on top in this situation.

Money is great but it is not the one and only way to gain power in this world and it doesn't put you above the law or make you invinceable. The lion is dead and that is that; regardless of ones opinion on the situation. The lion most likley realizes that death is a part of life anyways. In my opinion, regardless of wether I agree with the killing or not; the lion is getting the last laugh in this situation.

Yes the dentist is alive; but he has had to close his practice which means he and any employees he had working for him are all out of a job. He and his family have to now hide from the public for fear of retaliation. Retaliation which I'm sure could end up being violent if the right person came across him or his family. He is in America after all; people have been beaten, shot, and killed for less. He now also faces extradition back to Zimbabwe where he will face the charges against him. If he ends up going to prison over there; he's going to wish he was dead. If he does end up getting the chance to go hunting again, I would suggest he use a paintball gun to prove that he can shot and kill the animal but avoid any and all back lash, or a tranquillizer gun if he feels he needs to get a picture with the animal. A sort of catch and release method, everybody wins.

[underscore]

How do you figure that? If I tell you it's ok to shoot someone and they die; you're telling me that you're in the clear on the murder charge? Wether you know an act is illegal or not, committing the act still makes you accountable.

In the clear no, but when you've hired a supposed professional I can fault them a little less if that "professional" deceived them.

Yup, no tags to kill any Lion, never mind one that resides in a national park... and he only kept the head and pelt... doesn't matter where you come from that's illegal poaching. Plus supposedly you are not allowed to shoot lions with a Bow in Zimbabwe.

If that's true, how did he take the head and pelt? You need at least some kind of legit paperwork to be able to bring something like that across borders.

[NKC ONE]

Cecil's brother just got killed illegally in the same park.

[falcon]

I think everyone in the media needs to chill out. There is a very high possibility and likely the what happened, that he had a permit like he said to shoot a lion. The guides nor him at the time didn't know it was Cecil. However after it was killed, and the guides tried to destroy the tracker... that's where things get fishy. I agree they should be prosecuted (the guides), but not the doctor. He paid for his permit and guides (these countries don't allow you to hunt without a local guide). What I don't agree with was the leaving of the carcass out in the park. Normally the meat goes to local communities to eat... and what was probably going to happen until they realized they shot a protected cat. Again... blame the guides not the customer.

Believe what you want about the ethics of hunting game like this, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the legality of what the guides did.

There are so many more important things to worry about in Africa than one lion. Yes, it sucks.. he looked like a cool cat. But what about Robert Mugabe? What about Boko Haram? What about all the starving children? Those are things we as a western civilization need to care about on a regular basis. Not the killing of a lion and the shaming of a doctor.

[jasonturbo]

In the clear no, but when you've hired a supposed professional I can fault them a little less if that "professional" deceived them.



If that's true, how did he take the head and pelt? You need at least some kind of legit paperwork to be able to bring something like that across borders.

Nobody knows where the head and pelt is AFAIK, they just recovered the corpse of a skinned and decapitated lion.

There was no permit for hunting the lion, they did not have tags.

You have to be reasonable, this is an "expert hunter" and a dentist, he isn't an idiot. Considering in the past he has been in doo doo for a hunting faux-pas he should know to do his due diligence to cover his ass.

[Manic!]

Nobody knows where the head and pelt is AFAIK, they just recovered the corpse of a skinned and decapitated lion.

There was no permit for hunting the lion, they did not have tags.

You have to be reasonable, this is an "expert hunter" and a dentist, he isn't an idiot. Considering in the past he has been in doo doo for a hunting faux-pas he should know to do his due diligence to cover his ass.

Expert hunter LOL!!!!. He is like a guy that brags he beat a guy up but does not tell you that it took him and 9 other guys to do it.

[ae101]

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[westopher]

You need at least some kind of legit paperwork to be able to bring something like that across borders.
Pretty sure all the legit paperwork in this whole scenario was this.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-knKWkXjVmTw/VYShiPVF74I/AAAAAAABdRo/-CrwP4MzLRQ/s1600/11corrupt.png

[Soundy]

Seriously, who names a lion "Cecil"? WTF kind of name is that for King Of The Jungle? Poor thing probably died of embarrassment.

Just picture all the other animals pointing and laughing... "Ceeeee-cil, Ceeeee-cil! Haha haha loser!"

Lion be all like, rawr imma eat u now, antelope! And the antelopes all be like, ha ha, whatev CEEEEE-CIL!

And now it's meme time...

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[MarkyMark]

I hate how whenever someone cares about something other than starving children you get all the "umm who cares did you know kids are dying? And what about cancer and full blown AIDS you prick?."

My apologies let's hammer out world hunger before tackling any other issues.

[Hondaracer]

The thing is, they don't actually care, it's a 15 minute period of pretending like they give a shit

[Soundy]

The thing is, they don't actually care, it's a 15 minute period of pretending like they give a shit
This.

[jasonturbo]

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I Lol'd

[originalhypa]

I Lol'd

me too.

:awwyeah:

[westopher]

The thing is, they don't actually care, it's a 15 minute period of pretending like they give a shit
The problem is you are lumping everyone together. Some people do give a real shit, and they give a shit about other important things as well, and other unimportant things. Not everyone just posts a FB status bitching about an event and does nothing about anything in their daily life. Maybe instead of being mad people are giving a small fuck about something minuscule, you should be happy they are showing signs of giving a fuck about anything at all, as contrived as it may be, there is a chance of people learning something and it becoming something beneficial.

[MarkyMark]

Exactly, even if most people see this as another Kony 2012 there will always be a few that take it to heart and maybe try to make a difference.

[Ronin]

LOL Kony 2012...the only difference that made was it separated a lot of idiots from their money and caused the CEO of the company to go on a naked masturbating rampage in the streets.

[westopher]

Haha that was little different as it was actually a scam to acquire money for a horribly irresponsible fraud of a charity.

[Hondaracer]

If Kony could ride Cecil into battle, Facebook would implode into a black hole

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

like i said before...

http://puu.sh/jio1r/a02c102927.jpg

[underscore]

Nobody knows where the head and pelt is AFAIK, they just recovered the corpse of a skinned and decapitated lion.

I stand corrected then, I would assume US Customs would know if they were brought into the US but I doubt they would release that info.

There was no permit for hunting the lion, they did not have tags.

You have to be reasonable, this is an "expert hunter" and a dentist, he isn't an idiot. Considering in the past he has been in doo doo for a hunting faux-pas he should know to do his due diligence to cover his ass.

Due diligence like hiring what were supposed to be professional guides that may or may not have appeared to have the right paperwork? It's all well and good to say the guy has to cover his ass, but if you think you hired the right people who show you what look to be the right documents then it's more understandable than if the you know from the get go they don't have the proper stuff.

Again, I'm not saying one way or the other what he did or didn't know. But I find it laughable that you're telling me to be reasonable when you won't consider the possibility that he thought everything was being done correctly, which is just as probable as him intentionally doing things illegally.

[Hondaracer]

If the lion didn't have a name, no one would be talking about it.