[SkinnyPupp]

Interesting, I thought a spoiled ballot was the best way to do that.
This is what I meant pretty much, I'll edit to make it more clear

[carisear]

Latest projections show liberal forming a majority. even though I voted conservatives, i'd much rather have a liberal majority than ANY minority gov't.

[Traum]

^^ link to poll / article?

[jasonturbo]

I haven't seen any article suggesting a Liberal Majority lol

CBC Poll Tracker currently has;
LIB 35.1%
CON 31%
NDP 23.3%

Majority does not seem likely for anyone as of right now, 308 says it's a toss up right now between Lib and Con minority.

[Traum]

Maybe Carisear is referring to this?

New seat projections show possibility of Liberals forming majority gov't - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/10/14/possible-liberals-majority-government/)

...at the high end of their estimate / the remote end of the realm of possibilities, the Grits could take 175 seats, based on our forecast

I still think it makes more sense for the Libs to seek support from the NDP to form a minority Liberals government.

[MindBomber]

The Conservative candidate for Langley didn't attend a debate which the Liberal, NDP, and Green candidates did. How can Conservative voters reconcile the notion that candidates are avoiding the residents of their ridings? It's a demonstration of contempt. An MP with contempt for their constituents would not do much to advocate for them and their concerns, that much is clear.

[underscore]

^ was a reason given for their lack of appearance?

[MindBomber]

He offered the excuse of 'other commitments,' which doesn't cut it, for me.

The debate is a significant enough occasion in the election cycle that it should be prioritized over any schedule conflicts. I have no doubt that the NDP, Liberal, and Green candidates have busy schedules and that they could have dedicated that portion of their days to other priorities, but they didn't.

[Roach]

I'm guessing you are talking about Dean Drysdale?

The conservatives have held a strong support hold in this newly created riding. With that being said, it would be arrogant of him to think that appearing for a debate is unnecessary.

Kev

[underscore]

He offered the excuse of 'other commitments,' which doesn't cut it, for me.

The debate is a significant enough occasion in the election cycle that it should be prioritized over any schedule conflicts. I have no doubt that the NDP, Liberal, and Green candidates have busy schedules and that they could have dedicated that portion of their days to other priorities, but they didn't.

It depends completely on what the other commitments were, I can think of several that I would find acceptable and several that I wouldn't, so I wouldn't slam him too heavily without details.

[MindBomber]

No, Mark Warawa, the con candidate for Langley-Aldergrove.

To his credit, Dean Drysdale, the con candidate for Cloverdale-Langley City, did attend the debate in his riding.

It depends completely on what the other commitments were, I can think of several that I would find acceptable and several that I wouldn't, so I wouldn't slam him too heavily without details.

I did consider that prior to my post. The other commitments that I would consider to be valid explanations would be extraordinary circumstances that cannot be rescheduled, like a funeral. In the unlikely event that it were clarified that the candidate's other commitments were of that nature then I would retract my comment. I would not do so prior to that, though, because he's chosen to place himself into a position of scrutiny.

[ilovebacon]

i did a online survey on facebook and it said that i should vote for liberal

[Lomac]

Mark Warawa used to be in my old riding. While I'm not a Cons fan in general, nor a Warawa fan in particular, he used to be pretty outspoken about being silenced by the Conservative party while in the House of Commons. It is/was fairly rare that a member would actively object while in session to being withheld the opportunity to speak when it's his time, especially about their own party, and it's something I respect.

I'm hoping that the reasons he didn't attend the debate were of a more serious nature because the possibility that someone like him is willingly being silent by the directive of his party goes against what he had so often fought for in the past.

[Manic!]

It depends completely on what the other commitments were, I can think of several that I would find acceptable and several that I wouldn't, so I wouldn't slam him too heavily without details.

He had no other commitments. He's in hiding like other cons. Across Canada cons are missing debates and not showing up at other functions because Harper is telling them too. He's afraid they will say something stupid. Not surprising if you look at the the candidates.

Tory Candidates Reportedly Urged To Skip Debates, Avoid Media (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/27/tory-debates-media-joe-daniel-joan-crockatt_n_8048096.html)

Also Harper is going after Trudeau because of his pro pot and making stuff up like Trudeau wanting to open up brothels. But on the other hand harper is hanging out with Rob Ford a known drug user and who has used prostitutes. I guess as long as he is a con it does not mater what he does.

[jasonturbo]

He had no other commitments. He's in hiding like other cons. Across Canada cons are missing debates and not showing up at other functions because Harper is telling them too. He's afraid they will say something stupid. Not surprising if you look at the the candidates.

Tory Candidates Reportedly Urged To Skip Debates, Avoid Media (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/27/tory-debates-media-joe-daniel-joan-crockatt_n_8048096.html)

Also Harper is going after Trudeau because of his pro pot and making stuff up like Trudeau wanting to open up brothels. But on the other hand harper is hanging out with Rob Ford a known drug user and who has used prostitutes. I guess as long as he is a con it does not mater what he does.

At this point, the only reason I would want to see the Cons remain in power is just because I know it will make you mad :nyan:

[MindBomber]

Lol

[CRS]

https://www.facebook.com/cbcnews/videos/10153731171679604/

When Trudeau was asked why Dan Gagnier quit after it was revealed that he wrote a letter to staff at an oil company about how best to lobby a new government for the Energy East pipeline. Liberal supporters who heckled a reporter asking him about the resignation of his campaign co-chair.

[pastarocket]

-just heard on the radio station news1130 this morning that the projected number of seats in the House of Commons for each party would mean a Liberal minority government.

Personally, I prefer a minority government, Liberal or NDP, so that no political party can just ram through legislation without proper debate and examination of proposed legislation before bills go to a vote in the H.O.C.

[Hondaracer]

Minority just means nothing will get done, even though I've got da monies on it, it's not the best outcome for anyone really.

[pastarocket]

The Conservative party's ad campaign is certainly stepping up their radio ads.
-heard a Conservative ad on Virgin 94.5 about "protecting the economy, lower taxes" blah blah blah EleGiggle

[Habboy]

Im baffled the the Conservatives have ANY support left.....Canada is worse off in all aspects since they have been in power.
Time for a change....

[mr_chin]

i did a online survey on facebook and it said that i should vote for liberal

That's my choice too because I heard on the radio that they're going to excavate more land to build more houses in hopes of reducing housing price.

[Lomac]

Im baffled the the Conservatives have ANY support left.....Canada is worse off in all aspects since they have been in power.
Time for a change....

...

I'm not a Conservative supporter by any means but to say Canada is worse off in all aspects is hardly fair. They also have some good things going for them. Just not enough for me to consider them this time around.

[Jmac]

They haven't done a bad job over their 2 terms, but I wouldn't say they've done anywhere near as good of a job as they seem to perceive themselves as having done. Quite frankly, their actions and ads over the past few weeks have pushed me from indifferent towards the Cons to wanting them out.

[7seven]

I voted for the Conservatives during advanced polling but if the Liberals win, I too hope its a majority rather than a minority so things get done and we're not stuck in political limbo/gridlock. In terms of some issues, the Liberals are more similar to the Conservatives than the NDP, like not scraping C-51, keeping some military personal overseas, business tax breaks, etc... so I'd be ok with a Liberal majority rather than any minority gov't.


Seems like one of the larger strategic voting organizations is coming under fire for endorsing/getting people to vote for a NDP candidate who is a friend of the executive director rather than the Liberal candidate who according to most polls is ahead



Leadnow accused of pro-NDP bias, conflict of interest

Organization defends its endorsement of Vancouver Granville candidate Mira Oreck

BY PETER O'NEIL, VANCOUVER SUN OCTOBER 16, 2015

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Vancouver Sun Ottawa columnist Peter O'Neil spent one of the final days of the campaign with Stockwell Day and James Moore as they tried to sway voters to support Harper.
Leadnow, the highest-profile organization raising money and recruiting volunteers to encourage “strategic voting” aimed at defeating Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has been accused of a pro-NDP bias and an apparent conflict of interest.

That charge came after Leadnow endorsed on Thursday the NDP’s Mira Oreck over Liberal Jody Wilson-Raybould in Vancouver Granville, even though most current polling data suggests they are either in a statistical tie or that the Liberal has a clear lead.

The executive-director of Leadnow is Lyndsay Poaps, a Vancouver resident who is the founder of Frontrunner, a candidate school for young women. Oreck is a volunteer with that organization and the two are friends, Poaps confirmed in an interview.

One Vancouver Granville resident, who voted NDP in the 2011 election and plans to vote strategically for the Liberals on Monday, said Leadnow may be confusing voters due to an NDP bias.

The organization’s canvassers, who went to her door in August when the NDP had a big lead in B.C., said she was told residents should vote strategically to oust Harper and that Oreck was the best choice, according to Bernadine Bolton.

Now that momentum has switched to Justin Trudeau’s Liberals, she’s wondering if the endorsement of Oreck could confuse voters and split the anti-Harper vote.

“It makes me very concerned,” said Bolton, who wrote to the Elections Canada returning officer Thursday to register her concerns about fairness and the Poaps-Oreck connection.

“I just want things to be fair. This is a very important election for us. I want people to be informed, and there’s a lot of confusion out there.”

Bolton’s letter of complaint said Leadnow is purporting to be an “independent and non-partisan” organization trying to defeat Harper, yet is releasing information “that appears skewed in favour of the NDP candidate (who) may have strong ties to Leadnow.”

Another riding resident and a Liberal campaign volunteer, Dale Hunter, said in an email to The Sun: “None of this passes the sniff test.”

But Jean-Pierre Kingsley, Canada’s former chief electoral officer, said there’s no apparent violation as long as Leadnow, a registered third party in this campaign, stays within rules which, for instance, don’t allow per-riding spending in excess of $8,788.22.

Poaps, who said canvassers did not endorse candidates prior to the organization making an endorsement, rejected the notion her organization is showing favouritism.

She said that, based on their own recent poll showing Oreck and Wilson-Raybould are in a statistical tie, they left it to the 5,400 people who signed up with Leadnow to participate in strategic voting.

Roughly 2,000 responded to the email survey, with the overwhelming majority saying they believe Leadnow should endorse a candidate.

Of those who cast a vote, 61 per cent favoured Oreck and 39 per cent Wilson-Raybould.

The survey included the Liberal and NDP positions that Poaps said are important to her organization. That list noted that Trudeau has “ruled out working with the NDP and Greens” on a coalition or formal agreement to govern, whereas the NDP’s Mulcair has said he’s open to that idea.

It also said the Liberals have said they will “study” different electoral reform options, whereas the NDP has vowed to “pass proportional representation electoral reform.”

And in another controversial matter that has divided Canada’s centre-left, it said the Liberals say they will amend Harper’s anti-terrorism law, while Mulcair has promised to “repeal the C-51 spying bill.”

Poaps rejected any suggestion that her personal relationship might have impacted the process.

“The decision was not up to me. We put all the information to our community,” said Poaps, who noted that across Canada, Leadnow has so far endorsed 13 Liberals and 10 New Democrats.

Oreck said she isn’t getting unfair help.

“Leadnow has their own process; I think everyone’s clear on what it is,” she said.

“My assumption and understanding is that their pledge-signers voted, and this is the outcome.”

Pollsters Frank Graves of Ekos and Mario Canseco of Insights West questioned why a strategic voting organization would take sides when polling doesn’t yet show an obvious anti-Harper candidate.

“I think it makes half of the progressive voters in the riding very upset,” Canseco said.

“So much for ‘uniting’ in the hopes of defeating Harper.”

Wilson-Raybould didn’t engage directly in the debate, saying through a spokesman: “I am confident that the people of Vancouver Granville will make their own choice for real change, and that it will be Liberal.”

Interview requests placed with Conservative candidate Erinn Broshko didn’t get a response.

Leadnow issued a new Environics poll earlier this week for that riding showing the Liberals at 35 per cent, the NDP at 33 per cent, the Conservatives at 28 per cent and the Greens, under candidate Michael Barkusky, at four per cent. That poll of 505 respondents, done Oct. 9 through 11 and using automated voice technology, had an error margin of 4.4 percentage points, putting the Liberals and NDP at a statistical tie.

But another poll, sponsored by Friends of Canadian broadcasting and conducted by Mainstreet Research on Oct. 8, had the Liberals way ahead there. It used similar technology but with a larger sample size (665) and resulting lower error margin (3.7 percentage points).

That poll put 44 per cent of decided and leaning voters with the Liberals, 28 per cent with the NDP, 20 per cent with the Conservatives and nine per cent with the Greens.

Among the polling analysts and strategic voting sites that have released data or taken a position:

* Strategicvoting.ca concluded the race is too close to call, and that people should “vote your preference.”

* threehundredeight.com, which aggregates all polls while considering factors such as voting histories and incumbency, said those polls suggest 46.1 per cent are with the Liberals, 23.8 per cent with the NDP, 22 per cent for the Conservatives, and 8.1 per cent for the Greens.

* tooclosetocall.ca, which uses a more cautious formula to calculate polling trends, has the Liberals at 35 per cent in the riding, compared to 28 per cent for the NDP and 27 per cent for the Conservatives.



Leadnow accused of pro-NDP bias, conflict of interest (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/leadnow+accused+bias+conflict+interest/11441670/story.html)

[pastarocket]

My Dad told me this story about a Liberal campaign staff calling him at his home number. FYI, the incumbent MP in his riding is Jenny Kwan.

Liberal staff: "Hello sir, this is a courtesy call to ask whether you decided to vote the Liberal party. Please vote for Edward Wong."

Dad: "Uh, we are still undecided.".

Liberal staff: "Can we count on your vote for Edward Wong on October 19th?"

Dad: Who?? Edward Wong? Who the heck is Edward Wong?!?!?". Dad tells the guy that he's busy, and hangs up the phone. My Dad is losing his hearing in his senior years now so he yells "Who the heck is Edward Wong????"


I guess Mom and Dad are not voting for the Liberals. :lawl:

[Ronin]

What a stupid way to campaign. When has ANYONE reacted favourably to being telemarketed to?

[Manic!]

Viral letter to harper

Open Letter to Stephen Harper:

Dear Mr. Harper,

I live in BC with my husband and two little girls. I grew up in Calgary and have many friends and family members there. I’m white and in my early 40s. One of us is a stay at home parent, so we benefit 100% from the direct deposits in lieu of a National Childcare Program. We also benefit 100% from income splitting. And we can afford to take advantage of the increased allowance in our TFSAs.

In other words, we’re the picture of the family who benefits the most from your economic policies.

But we’re not voting Conservative on October 19th.

You see, you’ve misjudged us. We enjoy our standard of living, we work hard for it but it’s not the only thing that matters to us.

You assume we don’t care about our First Nations neighbours, or Canadians trying to bring their family members here from war torn countries. That we don’t care about less fortunate Canadians, our veterans, or scientists. You think we don’t mind that to save a few bucks and balance the books we axed the census, dumped decades of research from our libraries, cut funding to CBC, under-spent our budgets in important departments and closed coast guard stations. You figure we no longer want our lakes and rivers protected and that we don’t understand that climate change is a far greater risk to our way of life than Barbaric Cultural Practices.

You’ve underestimated us.

On October 19, we’re not voting for our bank balance. We’re voting for change because we want the caring Canada of our youth back. The Canada that supported our single mothers that gave us the opportunity to succeed in the first place.

Mary Cleaver

Vancouver woman's letter to Stephen Harper goes viral - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/10/17/vancouver-womans-letter-to-stephen-harper-goes-viral/)

[carisear]

decently written op ed that gets her point across, so I went and looked her up and was kind of disappointed. her fb page clearly shows she is a standard sjw-anti-harper-everything fb/twitter/tumblr/social media whore.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Viral letter to harper

Open Letter to Stephen Harper:

Dear Mr. Harper,

I live in BC with my husband and two little girls. I grew up in Calgary and have many friends and family members there. I’m white and in my early 40s. One of us is a stay at home parent, so we benefit 100% from the direct deposits in lieu of a National Childcare Program. We also benefit 100% from income splitting. And we can afford to take advantage of the increased allowance in our TFSAs.

In other words, we’re the picture of the family who benefits the most from your economic policies.

But we’re not voting Conservative on October 19th.

You see, you’ve misjudged us. We enjoy our standard of living, we work hard for it but it’s not the only thing that matters to us.

You assume we don’t care about our First Nations neighbours, or Canadians trying to bring their family members here from war torn countries. That we don’t care about less fortunate Canadians, our veterans, or scientists. You think we don’t mind that to save a few bucks and balance the books we axed the census, dumped decades of research from our libraries, cut funding to CBC, under-spent our budgets in important departments and closed coast guard stations. You figure we no longer want our lakes and rivers protected and that we don’t understand that climate change is a far greater risk to our way of life than Barbaric Cultural Practices.

You’ve underestimated us.

On October 19, we’re not voting for our bank balance. We’re voting for change because we want the caring Canada of our youth back. The Canada that supported our single mothers that gave us the opportunity to succeed in the first place.

Mary Cleaver

Vancouver woman's letter to Stephen Harper goes viral - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/10/17/vancouver-womans-letter-to-stephen-harper-goes-viral/)

Just like to mention you can still have say your family come just apply for super visa. Is good for 10 years. The only difference between the super visa and granting immigrations status is that with super visa they can't use benfits that only Canadian citizen gets. I don't see any issue with this why should we allow anyone to immigrate and use our benfits when they haven't pay a penny into our tax system. Super Visa allow family members to come and visit you anytime they like but they can't use any benfits.

[Manic!]

Just like to mention you can still have say your family come just apply for super visa. Is good for 10 years. The only difference between the super visa and granting immigrations status is that with super visa they can't use benfits that only Canadian citizen gets. I don't see any issue with this why should we allow anyone to immigrate and use our benfits when they haven't pay a penny into our tax system. Super Visa allow family members to come and visit you anytime they like but they can't use any benfits.

You mean like people who move from Ontario to B.C. to retire?

[jasonturbo]

:facepalm:

[SkinnyPupp]

Conservatives bought front page ads across Canada, on presumably all PostMedia papers

https://i.imgur.com/7KjKsGZ.jpg

Using Elections Canada's format, making it look somewhat official. On the front page, making it look extremely important. Of course we know better, but this kind of scare tactic marketing can be pretty effective with a certain type of person...

[carisear]

quick question -- does anyone here read a physical newspaper anymore? Just wondering if anyone under the age of 70 still does or not.

I used to read them all the time, but I don't think I've picked one up in the past 5 years ...

[pastarocket]

quick question -- does anyone here read a physical newspaper anymore? Just wondering if anyone under the age of 70 still does or not.

I used to read them all the time, but I don't think I've picked one up in the past 5 years ...


I only read the Metro newspaper if it has interesting articles.

Those Conservatives are using their scare tactics again in order to get people to vote for them.

Do they think Canadians are stupid?? Seriously? It's time for change!! :eek3:

[Bonka]

Do they think Canadians are stupid?? Seriously? It's time for change!! :eek3:

I would hold that thought until after the election.................

:okay:

[Manic!]

Remember if a guy called Pierre Poutine calls you telling you your voting location has changed. Hang up and call 911.

Can't let the cons trick people again.

[westopher]

Do they think Canadians are stupid?? Seriously?
Thats the thing.....so many are.

[Ch28]

http://blog.wealthbar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Election2015.png?v=1

[cocojoe]

My Dad told me this story about a Liberal campaign staff calling him at his home number. FYI, the incumbent MP in his riding is Jenny Kwan.

Liberal staff: "Hello sir, this is a courtesy call to ask whether you decided to vote the Liberal party. Please vote for Edward Wong."

Dad: "Uh, we are still undecided.".

Liberal staff: "Can we count on your vote for Edward Wong on October 19th?"

Dad: Who?? Edward Wong? Who the heck is Edward Wong?!?!?". Dad tells the guy that he's busy, and hangs up the phone. My Dad is losing his hearing in his senior years now so he yells "Who the heck is Edward Wong????"


I guess Mom and Dad are not voting for the Liberals. :lawl:

Sounds like the Liberal staffer was having problems hearing. Your Dad already said he was undecided. :stupid:

[underscore]

How accurate is that chart? The idea of a federal minimum wage is something I'd expect from the Greens, but I'd expect a bit less stupidity from the NDP.

[AstulzerRZD]

How accurate is that chart? The idea of a federal minimum wage is something I'd expect from the Greens, but I'd expect a bit less stupidity from the NDP.

The "Federal Minimum Wage" only applies to a certain subset of jobs that are regulated by the federal government IIRC

[westopher]

Lol @ all the events harper is doing with Rob Ford.
People are literally willing to take voting advice from a fucking morbidly obese crackhead.

[Hondaracer]

Raising tax rates to 33% for people making 200+ is fucked up. For the most part people within that bracket are probably amongst the hardest working/most stimulating of the Canadian work force.

And again, no definition for "the middle class" so is the middle class anyone under the 200 but above the 20k no tax bracket? :/

[Jmac]

Raising tax rates to 33% for people making 200+ is fucked up. For the most part people within that bracket are probably amongst the hardest working/most stimulating of the Canadian work force.

And again, no definition for "the middle class" so is the middle class anyone under the 200 but above the 20k no tax bracket? :/
Federal tax rates for 2015
15% on the first $44,701 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $44,700 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $44,701 up to $89,401), +
26% on the next $49,185 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $89,401 up to $138,586), +
29% of taxable income over $138,586.
We will give middle class Canadians a tax break, by making taxes more fair.

When middle class Canadians have more money in their pockets to save, invest, and grow the economy, we all benefit.

We will cut the middle income tax bracket to 20.5 percent from 22 percent - a seven percent reduction. Canadians with taxable annual income between
$44,700 and $89,401 will see their income tax rate fall.

This tax relief is worth up to $670 per person, per year – or $1,340 for a two-income household.

To pay for this tax cut, we will ask the wealthiest one percent of Canadians to give a little more. We will introduce a new tax bracket of 33 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 each year.
Liberal federal tax rates for 2017
15% on the first $44,701 of taxable income, +
20.5% on the next $44,700 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $44,701 up to $89,401), +
26% on the next $49,185 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $89,401 up to $138,586), +
29% on the next $61,414 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $138,586 up to $200,000), +
33% of taxable income over $200,000

Google Liberal platform. Doesn't sound like you've read it ... or know how the Canadian tax structure works now.

It's a tax break for anyone making between $45k and $217k.

[cow20xx]

I would hold that thought until after the election.................

:okay:


Ditto.
George bush got elected twice. Never underestimated the stupidity of a general population.

[CRS]

Ditto.
George bush got elected twice. Never underestimated the stupidity of a general population.

To be fair, that's because of the electoral college.

Al Gore won the popular vote but because of the electoral college, lost the election.

[Jmac]

It was almost 50-50 regardless. Amazing that after the late-90s, when everything was going America's way, roughly half the voting population wanted to change directions.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Don't forget those hanging chads in a key state run by the brother of one of the candidates.

[Ch28]

Let's talk about Stephen, shall we?

- Tried to allegedly bribe a standing MP who was dying (Chuck Cadman) with a million dollar life insurance policy (Harper classified this as "replacing financial considerations lost during a possible election") to try to get Cadman to vote with the Conservatives (after they had turfed him out of the party previously, and Cadman was re-elected as an independent, by the way). Harper was cleared by the RCMP, but as this is noted on his Wikipedia page, it is noted here.

- Prorogued Parliament to avoid a no-confidence vote from other MP's, twice (2008 and 2010), with many saying that he did it to avoid democracy and the Afghan detainee inquiry.

- Appointed a number of sitting Senators who are now at the heart of the Senate spending scandal (Boisvenu, Duffy, Wallin, among others)

- Was found to be in contempt of Parliament in 2011

- Scrapped the long-gun Registry in its entirety, despite pleas for law enforcement for the data contained therein.

- Scrapped the long-form census in 2011, citing privacy reasons.

- The Robocall scandal that kept people in rural areas from exercising their right to vote.

- Gutted research funding and has silenced Canadian researchers about their research entirely (including to other media, other researchers, and to the public) by having them followed and threatened.

- Gutted environmental laws and policies and cut the budget at Environment Canada, especially being very vicious towards anything relating to climate change.

- Exercises a iron-fist like grip over the media and the existing Freedom of Information Act.

- Helped create, support, and enact numerous bills in parliament that have created not only a second-class citizenship (Bill C-24), but destroyed the very fabric of what makes Canada great (Bill C-51).

- Has not instructed the CBSA to stand down in the case of Jose Figueroa and countless other refugees who fled war-torn countries for a better life in Canada only to be denied and called terrorists when there is nothing in their history to indicate that they participated in activities of terrorism at all.

- In 2006, Harper violated the spending limit during the election.

- Turned a $16 billion surplus into a $56 billion dollar deficit under his leadership.

- Has cut funding for women's and minority groups by 40%, effectively keeping them from having a legal voice and also causing them to shut down 12 out of 16 offices.

- His Economic Action Plan has benefitted only the richest 1% in Canada.

- Weakened food regulations so that more residue from harmful chemicals can be left on your food.

- Fires whistleblowers for alerting the public about regulation changes or unsafe nuclear reactors.

- Lied about the actual cost of purchasing 65 stealth fighter jets in Parliament.

- Refused to sign the UN declaration of clean water as a Human Right.

- Did not cut $1.4 billion in tax breaks that he gave to oil companies, yet cut $1.2 billion from the establishment of National Childcare.

- Cancelled the Kelowna accord, meant to help First Nations peoples and improve their health and education with almost $5 billion in funding.

- Destroyed Canada's international reputation as peacekeepers, when it was made public that Afghan detainees were handed over most likely to be tortured.

- Wants to enact mass scale internet surveillance and has tried to do so (and been defeated) 4 times.

- Increases spending on prisons, and decreases funding for rehab programs.

- Renamed the Government of Canada to the Harper Government in 2010.

There are many more, but I think this is enough to show our soon to be former Prime Minister to the door.

The people of Canada will soon speak, Mr. Harper, and they will ultimately say that it's time for you to go.

[CRS]

I, for one, am glad that the long gun registry was scrapped. It was such a stupid idea that costs money without showing any results.

[murd0c]

as well Harper has made so many cuts with the CBSA as well he's trie to take away their pensions twice, currently trying to take away sick leave which is a fucken joke. I an't wait for this election to be over and I so hope it's a Liberal majority and not a minority like the projects currently have.

[StylinRed]

shocked at how many voted Cons on here :eek:


also shocked at how many people i know who think it's a popular vote, shocked even further by those who don't care when i edumacate them -_-

[Lomac]

shocked at how many voted Cons on here :eek:

Why? The Conservative Party has some good points to them. I don't like Harper and how he's running his party, but it's not like they're completely without merit.

[Ch28]

Let's talk about Stephen, shall we?

- Tried to allegedly bribe a standing MP who was dying (Chuck Cadman) with a million dollar life insurance policy (Harper classified this as "replacing financial considerations lost during a possible election") to try to get Cadman to vote with the Conservatives (after they had turfed him out of the party previously, and Cadman was re-elected as an independent, by the way). Harper was cleared by the RCMP, but as this is noted on his Wikipedia page, it is noted here.

- Prorogued Parliament to avoid a no-confidence vote from other MP's, twice (2008 and 2010), with many saying that he did it to avoid democracy and the Afghan detainee inquiry.

- Appointed a number of sitting Senators who are now at the heart of the Senate spending scandal (Boisvenu, Duffy, Wallin, among others)

- Was found to be in contempt of Parliament in 2011

- Scrapped the long-gun Registry in its entirety, despite pleas for law enforcement for the data contained therein.

- Scrapped the long-form census in 2011, citing privacy reasons.

- The Robocall scandal that kept people in rural areas from exercising their right to vote.

- Gutted research funding and has silenced Canadian researchers about their research entirely (including to other media, other researchers, and to the public) by having them followed and threatened.

- Gutted environmental laws and policies and cut the budget at Environment Canada, especially being very vicious towards anything relating to climate change.

- Exercises a iron-fist like grip over the media and the existing Freedom of Information Act.

- Helped create, support, and enact numerous bills in parliament that have created not only a second-class citizenship (Bill C-24), but destroyed the very fabric of what makes Canada great (Bill C-51).

- Has not instructed the CBSA to stand down in the case of Jose Figueroa and countless other refugees who fled war-torn countries for a better life in Canada only to be denied and called terrorists when there is nothing in their history to indicate that they participated in activities of terrorism at all.

- In 2006, Harper violated the spending limit during the election.

- Turned a $16 billion surplus into a $56 billion dollar deficit under his leadership.

- Has cut funding for women's and minority groups by 40%, effectively keeping them from having a legal voice and also causing them to shut down 12 out of 16 offices.

- His Economic Action Plan has benefitted only the richest 1% in Canada.

- Weakened food regulations so that more residue from harmful chemicals can be left on your food.

- Fires whistleblowers for alerting the public about regulation changes or unsafe nuclear reactors.

- Lied about the actual cost of purchasing 65 stealth fighter jets in Parliament.

- Refused to sign the UN declaration of clean water as a Human Right.

- Did not cut $1.4 billion in tax breaks that he gave to oil companies, yet cut $1.2 billion from the establishment of National Childcare.

- Cancelled the Kelowna accord, meant to help First Nations peoples and improve their health and education with almost $5 billion in funding.

- Destroyed Canada's international reputation as peacekeepers, when it was made public that Afghan detainees were handed over most likely to be tortured.

- Wants to enact mass scale internet surveillance and has tried to do so (and been defeated) 4 times.

- Increases spending on prisons, and decreases funding for rehab programs.

- Renamed the Government of Canada to the Harper Government in 2010.

There are many more, but I think this is enough to show our soon to be former Prime Minister to the door.

The people of Canada will soon speak, Mr. Harper, and they will ultimately say that it's time for you to go.

Quoted because last post on last page

[Bouncing Bettys]

Abbotsford is so solidly conservative and a lot of them are the socially conservative types. I need to move.

[Ch28]

oh man

you guys hurt my feelings with your fails

http://i.imgur.com/MHsBs5n.gif

[Manic!]

Abbotsford is so solidly conservative and a lot of them are the socially conservative types. I need to move.

Harper was just there campaigning. Looks like he is afraid he with lose the seat.

[Verdasco]

oh man

you guys hurt my feelings with your fails

http://i.imgur.com/MHsBs5n.gif

wp... nice avatar to post ratio.... butt hurt liberals like me :okay:

[Tapioca]

Raising tax rates to 33% for people making 200+ is fucked up. For the most part people within that bracket are probably amongst the hardest working/most stimulating of the Canadian work force.


The thing about the policy is that many of the 1% don't actually make salaries in that range - they have personal corporations to shelter their income, or have shares as part of their salary. It hurts people like doctors and lawyers who collect salaries.

[GoldenBoy]

Kelly McParland: The case for re-electing Stephen Harper | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-the-case-for-re-electing-stephen-harper)
A week or so before the start of the federal election campaign, an item was carried in The Daily Mail, a British newspaper that has built an immense circulation on a diet of celebrities, scoundrels and adorable animals.

Occasionally it throws in a bit of news for fun. This item said: “Canada named world’s most well-respected country.” It cited a study by an international research organization that polled 48,000 people on a range of measures including technology, social and economic policies and international perception. Canada came first, for the fourth time in five years.

It didn’t get much attention here, perhaps because it didn’t fit the narrative of a country in crisis, with a desperate need for a change in leadership and direction. Just this week a second report of similar ilk was released – this time by the banking group, Credit Suisse – indicating Canada “has a disproportionate number of millionaires,” and that much of Canada’s middle class is so well off it qualifies among the world’s richest 10%. Anyone who owns a home anywhere in the country almost certainly falls in that group.

We seem to be doing pretty well by these measures, but you wouldn’t know it from the Vesuvian eruption of opprobrium that has rained down on the government of Stephen Harper through the course of the election, and the months before. So appalling has Harper been portrayed – so lacking in any redeeming feature – that a visitor would have to wonder how the guy ever got elected in the first place, never mind three times in succession. Are Canadians nuts?

Perhaps. Or, perhaps as one of the world’s most prosperous and peaceful countries we have the luxury of nitpicking our leaders to death every few years when we tire of the same old faces and feel the need for new ones on which to focus. The Harper years have offered plenty of opportunity to ruminate and get grumpy, enjoying a period of relative prosperity while much of the world – the U.S. and Europe in particular – has struggled on a plane ranging from recession to meltdown. No government has the ability to “control” an economy, no matter what they might like you to think, and Canada has benefited from strong commodity prices until recently, but Ottawa has adroitly avoided the sort of self-destructive policies that hobbled much larger and diverse economies, using the opportunity to pursue an impressive web of trade agreements that open Canadian products to billions of consumers beyond our limited domestic market of 36 million people. Canada depends on trade – without it we’d be a large but easily-ignored afterthought – and no government has put greater effort into opening markets than the two Conservative governments of Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper.

In doing so, opponents complain, the government has shown inadequate concern for the environment, promoting pipelines and defending Alberta’s oilsands in the face of environmental concerns and celebrity disapproval. It’s a valid complaint, but the critics have yet to identify an alternative means of protecting so many jobs for so many Canadians, and forget that Canada does not, in fact, end at Ontario. Ten years of a Calgary-based leader have erased much of the resentment that divided east and west for a generation. Western Canada may feel more integral to Canadian interests than at any time since Sir John A. Macdonald sent a railway to the Pacific to bring it into the fold. Alberta alone – filled with eastern migrants eager for the jobs it could provide – feels secure enough to end a 43-year political hegemony and elect an NDP government, unimaginable when the east was seen as a hotbed of schemers eager to steal its resources.

At the same time, the hostility that typified relations between Quebec and the rest of Canada has faded to a degree few could have imagined just 20 years after the most recent referendum came within a hair of fracturing the country. The angry separatists who dominated discourse for so long have been replaced by a more confident, less strident and enterprising group, eager to embrace the advantages Canada offers rather than complain of ancient slights. While there are many reasons for the change – simple aging being a big one — Harper’s disciplined effort to avoid confrontation, to refuse to engage in the endless antagonisms in which the separatists specialized, removed much of the oxygen from the sovereigntist cause. The Bloc Quebecois won 54 seats the last time the federal Liberals came to office; on Monday they will be fortunate to retain the two to which they still lay claim.

Harper’s approach to Quebec typifies his aversion to Ottawa-based social dirigisme. There’s a very real difference in belief systems at play here. Liberals are big on grand national projects that reflect their view Canada needs the guiding hand of government to do great things, even if the proffered programs often fail to materialize — the oft-promised national daycare system that was never introduced, the Kyoto accord on emissions that was approved then ignored, the national energy policy that appropriated western resources for eastern priorities, the national gun registry that spawned an expensive new bureaucracy without reducing gun crime. Harper prefers to provide the means, and then allow individuals to use it as they see best, cutting back steadily on the size of government and the regulatory burden every Canadian faces. The Wheat Board lost its monopoly, freeing farmers to seek markets without producing the prophesized disaster. The gun registry was shuttered with no upsurge in gun crime.

Taxes have been reduced even as healthcare funding has continued to rise at several times the rate of inflation, and as provinces continue to complain they can’t possibly get by on the ever-rising billions they receive. A balanced budget and lower taxes has allowed for creation of more ways to save, particularly the innovative tax-free savings accounts championed by former finance minister Jim Flaherty, which have proven so popular that both opposition parties now pledge to cap them. In place they propose a larger Canada Pension Plan that will siphon off income and invest it as hired professionals see fit.

None of this pleases those accustomed to regular infusions of public cash, and who see ongoing subsidies as a justifiable claim on the taxpayer. Harper has generous support for those most in need, accepting it as a fundamental duty of a prosperous nation, but is less prone to propping up arts bodies, special interest activists, public broadcasters and others he figures should be capable of doing much more of their own heavy lifting. His relentless focus on commerce strikes urban critics as faintly crass, in much the way Britain’s landed gentry once looked down on those involved in the vulgarities of “trade”.

Those born outside the country aren’t so blasé: throughout the Harper years immigrants have been welcomed at record levels, with increased emphasis on skills and education over family ties. Former immigration minister Jason Kenney undertook a radical remaking of the system, reducing a backlog that produced wait times of up to eight years and was subject to widespread abuse by families eager to bring in elderly relatives in need of healthcare or social housing. Though predictably denounced by opponents, it unabashedly put Canada’s needs at the forefront, fast-tracking applications from ambitious, highly-skilled people who could fill employment needs while capping the number of grandparents no longer able to look after themselves in the old country.

It’s probably no surprise that Liberal leader Justin Trudeau has pledged to weaken the reforms so more families can bring in older relatives able to take advantage of Canada’s generous benefits. It’s always been a handicap for Harper that he assumed people would see the value of pragmatism over imagery, and appreciate the advantages that come from placing national interests ahead of sunny sentiments. Cold efficiency rarely warms hearts. Canada has done well under Stephen Harper, in many ways. Now, it appears, it wants to be hugged a bit.

National Post
• Email: kmcparland@nationalpost.com

[SkinnyPupp]

4Head

[Soundy]

Let's talk about Stephen, shall we?

- Tried to allegedly bribe a standing MP who was dying (Chuck Cadman) with a million dollar life insurance policy (Harper classified this as "replacing financial considerations lost during a possible election") to try to get Cadman to vote with the Conservatives (after they had turfed him out of the party previously, and Cadman was re-elected as an independent, by the way). Harper was cleared by the RCMP, but as this is noted on his Wikipedia page, it is noted here.

- Prorogued Parliament to avoid a no-confidence vote from other MP's, twice (2008 and 2010), with many saying that he did it to avoid democracy and the Afghan detainee inquiry.

- Appointed a number of sitting Senators who are now at the heart of the Senate spending scandal (Boisvenu, Duffy, Wallin, among others)

- Was found to be in contempt of Parliament in 2011

- Scrapped the long-gun Registry in its entirety, despite pleas for law enforcement for the data contained therein.

- Scrapped the long-form census in 2011, citing privacy reasons.

- The Robocall scandal that kept people in rural areas from exercising their right to vote.

- Gutted research funding and has silenced Canadian researchers about their research entirely (including to other media, other researchers, and to the public) by having them followed and threatened.

- Gutted environmental laws and policies and cut the budget at Environment Canada, especially being very vicious towards anything relating to climate change.

- Exercises a iron-fist like grip over the media and the existing Freedom of Information Act.

- Helped create, support, and enact numerous bills in parliament that have created not only a second-class citizenship (Bill C-24), but destroyed the very fabric of what makes Canada great (Bill C-51).

- Has not instructed the CBSA to stand down in the case of Jose Figueroa and countless other refugees who fled war-torn countries for a better life in Canada only to be denied and called terrorists when there is nothing in their history to indicate that they participated in activities of terrorism at all.

- In 2006, Harper violated the spending limit during the election.

- Turned a $16 billion surplus into a $56 billion dollar deficit under his leadership.

- Has cut funding for women's and minority groups by 40%, effectively keeping them from having a legal voice and also causing them to shut down 12 out of 16 offices.

- His Economic Action Plan has benefitted only the richest 1% in Canada.

- Weakened food regulations so that more residue from harmful chemicals can be left on your food.

- Fires whistleblowers for alerting the public about regulation changes or unsafe nuclear reactors.

- Lied about the actual cost of purchasing 65 stealth fighter jets in Parliament.

- Refused to sign the UN declaration of clean water as a Human Right.

- Did not cut $1.4 billion in tax breaks that he gave to oil companies, yet cut $1.2 billion from the establishment of National Childcare.

- Cancelled the Kelowna accord, meant to help First Nations peoples and improve their health and education with almost $5 billion in funding.

- Destroyed Canada's international reputation as peacekeepers, when it was made public that Afghan detainees were handed over most likely to be tortured.

- Wants to enact mass scale internet surveillance and has tried to do so (and been defeated) 4 times.

- Increases spending on prisons, and decreases funding for rehab programs.

- Renamed the Government of Canada to the Harper Government in 2010.

There are many more, but I think this is enough to show our soon to be former Prime Minister to the door.

The people of Canada will soon speak, Mr. Harper, and they will ultimately say that it's time for you to go.
You get all that from the NDP website, or some random on Facebook?

[Tapioca]

As a bit of political junkie, this has been an interesting campaign to follow. I honestly thought that this race was going to be between Mulcair and Harper.

The polls are indicating one thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Conservative minority. The last 3 elections have proven that there's a silent, but reliable Conservative base of voters out there. Will they come out, or stay home?

[StylinRed]

You get all that from the NDP website, or some random on Facebook?

is any of it false?

[Bouncing Bettys]

Harper was just there campaigning. Looks like he is afraid he with lose the seat.
I'd like to think that, but the Abbotsford riding doesn't appear on any of the strategic voting sites as a battleground and Ed Fast (Con) received more than double the votes of any other candidate in the last election. :okay:

[GoldenBoy]

Kelly McParland: The case for re-electing Stephen Harper | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-the-case-for-re-electing-stephen-harper)
A week or so before the start of the federal election campaign, an item was carried in The Daily Mail, a British newspaper that has built an immense circulation on a diet of celebrities, scoundrels and adorable animals.

Occasionally it throws in a bit of news for fun. This item said: “Canada named world’s most well-respected country.” It cited a study by an international research organization that polled 48,000 people on a range of measures including technology, social and economic policies and international perception. Canada came first, for the fourth time in five years.

It didn’t get much attention here, perhaps because it didn’t fit the narrative of a country in crisis, with a desperate need for a change in leadership and direction. Just this week a second report of similar ilk was released – this time by the banking group, Credit Suisse – indicating Canada “has a disproportionate number of millionaires,” and that much of Canada’s middle class is so well off it qualifies among the world’s richest 10%. Anyone who owns a home anywhere in the country almost certainly falls in that group.

We seem to be doing pretty well by these measures, but you wouldn’t know it from the Vesuvian eruption of opprobrium that has rained down on the government of Stephen Harper through the course of the election, and the months before. So appalling has Harper been portrayed – so lacking in any redeeming feature – that a visitor would have to wonder how the guy ever got elected in the first place, never mind three times in succession. Are Canadians nuts?

Perhaps. Or, perhaps as one of the world’s most prosperous and peaceful countries we have the luxury of nitpicking our leaders to death every few years when we tire of the same old faces and feel the need for new ones on which to focus. The Harper years have offered plenty of opportunity to ruminate and get grumpy, enjoying a period of relative prosperity while much of the world – the U.S. and Europe in particular – has struggled on a plane ranging from recession to meltdown. No government has the ability to “control” an economy, no matter what they might like you to think, and Canada has benefited from strong commodity prices until recently, but Ottawa has adroitly avoided the sort of self-destructive policies that hobbled much larger and diverse economies, using the opportunity to pursue an impressive web of trade agreements that open Canadian products to billions of consumers beyond our limited domestic market of 36 million people. Canada depends on trade – without it we’d be a large but easily-ignored afterthought – and no government has put greater effort into opening markets than the two Conservative governments of Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper.

In doing so, opponents complain, the government has shown inadequate concern for the environment, promoting pipelines and defending Alberta’s oilsands in the face of environmental concerns and celebrity disapproval. It’s a valid complaint, but the critics have yet to identify an alternative means of protecting so many jobs for so many Canadians, and forget that Canada does not, in fact, end at Ontario. Ten years of a Calgary-based leader have erased much of the resentment that divided east and west for a generation. Western Canada may feel more integral to Canadian interests than at any time since Sir John A. Macdonald sent a railway to the Pacific to bring it into the fold. Alberta alone – filled with eastern migrants eager for the jobs it could provide – feels secure enough to end a 43-year political hegemony and elect an NDP government, unimaginable when the east was seen as a hotbed of schemers eager to steal its resources.

At the same time, the hostility that typified relations between Quebec and the rest of Canada has faded to a degree few could have imagined just 20 years after the most recent referendum came within a hair of fracturing the country. The angry separatists who dominated discourse for so long have been replaced by a more confident, less strident and enterprising group, eager to embrace the advantages Canada offers rather than complain of ancient slights. While there are many reasons for the change – simple aging being a big one — Harper’s disciplined effort to avoid confrontation, to refuse to engage in the endless antagonisms in which the separatists specialized, removed much of the oxygen from the sovereigntist cause. The Bloc Quebecois won 54 seats the last time the federal Liberals came to office; on Monday they will be fortunate to retain the two to which they still lay claim.

Harper’s approach to Quebec typifies his aversion to Ottawa-based social dirigisme. There’s a very real difference in belief systems at play here. Liberals are big on grand national projects that reflect their view Canada needs the guiding hand of government to do great things, even if the proffered programs often fail to materialize — the oft-promised national daycare system that was never introduced, the Kyoto accord on emissions that was approved then ignored, the national energy policy that appropriated western resources for eastern priorities, the national gun registry that spawned an expensive new bureaucracy without reducing gun crime. Harper prefers to provide the means, and then allow individuals to use it as they see best, cutting back steadily on the size of government and the regulatory burden every Canadian faces. The Wheat Board lost its monopoly, freeing farmers to seek markets without producing the prophesized disaster. The gun registry was shuttered with no upsurge in gun crime.

Taxes have been reduced even as healthcare funding has continued to rise at several times the rate of inflation, and as provinces continue to complain they can’t possibly get by on the ever-rising billions they receive. A balanced budget and lower taxes has allowed for creation of more ways to save, particularly the innovative tax-free savings accounts championed by former finance minister Jim Flaherty, which have proven so popular that both opposition parties now pledge to cap them. In place they propose a larger Canada Pension Plan that will siphon off income and invest it as hired professionals see fit.

None of this pleases those accustomed to regular infusions of public cash, and who see ongoing subsidies as a justifiable claim on the taxpayer. Harper has generous support for those most in need, accepting it as a fundamental duty of a prosperous nation, but is less prone to propping up arts bodies, special interest activists, public broadcasters and others he figures should be capable of doing much more of their own heavy lifting. His relentless focus on commerce strikes urban critics as faintly crass, in much the way Britain’s landed gentry once looked down on those involved in the vulgarities of “trade”.

Those born outside the country aren’t so blasé: throughout the Harper years immigrants have been welcomed at record levels, with increased emphasis on skills and education over family ties. Former immigration minister Jason Kenney undertook a radical remaking of the system, reducing a backlog that produced wait times of up to eight years and was subject to widespread abuse by families eager to bring in elderly relatives in need of healthcare or social housing. Though predictably denounced by opponents, it unabashedly put Canada’s needs at the forefront, fast-tracking applications from ambitious, highly-skilled people who could fill employment needs while capping the number of grandparents no longer able to look after themselves in the old country.

It’s probably no surprise that Liberal leader Justin Trudeau has pledged to weaken the reforms so more families can bring in older relatives able to take advantage of Canada’s generous benefits. It’s always been a handicap for Harper that he assumed people would see the value of pragmatism over imagery, and appreciate the advantages that come from placing national interests ahead of sunny sentiments. Cold efficiency rarely warms hearts. Canada has done well under Stephen Harper, in many ways. Now, it appears, it wants to be hugged a bit.

[GS8]

At least 8 people choosing not to vote? In this day and age when everything is getting worse?

:seriously:

Takes an average of 15 min and you have a say in the future of your country. You got kids? Nieces / Nephews? A friend with kids? Don't you think 10 years is enough with the same leader? OR don't you want to see him continue for another 10 years if you like him?

If you can't be convinced to take the meager time out of your day (you can leave work early as is required by law) to help put a collective voice out, then you may as well shit a brick and then hit yourself with it.

Yes, I do get testy when it comes to voter RIGHTS. Knowing how easy we have it in this part of the world, you'd think more people would take advantage of it. Apparently it's not easy enough???

[Manic!]

The thing about the policy is that many of the 1% don't actually make salaries in that range - they have personal corporations to shelter their income, or have shares as part of their salary. It hurts people like doctors and lawyers who collect salaries.

I don't think doctors and lawyers are really hurting.

[underscore]

At least 8 people choosing not to vote? In this day and age when everything is getting worse?

:seriously:

Takes an average of 15 min and you have a say in the future of your country. You got kids? Nieces / Nephews? A friend with kids? Don't you think 10 years is enough with the same leader? OR don't you want to see him continue for another 10 years if you like him?

If you can't be convinced to take the meager time out of your day (you can leave work early as is required by law) to help put a collective voice out, then you may as well shit a brick and then hit yourself with it.

Yes, I do get testy when it comes to voter RIGHTS. Knowing how easy we have it in this part of the world, you'd think more people would take advantage of it. Apparently it's not easy enough???

A lot of people either don't care if they feel like the government won't have much impact on them either way, or they think all the options are shit. It's easier to be motivated to go vote if you feel strongly for or against a particular candidate.

[Verdasco]

damnit my voting card didnt come in the mail... wtf!!! or someone threw it away :okay: i hope lineups wont be too long at richmond centre tmr for the people that has to register....

[Yodamaster]

Let's talk about Stephen, shall we?

- Scrapped the long-gun Registry in its entirety, despite pleas for law enforcement for the data contained therein.


I knew this would come up eventually.

The LGR was a bloated pig that did little to protect the public, firearm related homicides have been on the decline since the 1970's, which predates the LGR entirely. The one to two billion dollars that had been spent leading up to the elimination of the LGR could have been allocated elsewhere to greater effect. Estimates put the actual compliance to the LGR at around 50-65%, which means that 35-50% of the actual non-restricted firearms in the country were hidden away by their owners without a trace.

"The statistics show that police recover registered long guns in just 1% of homicides. During the eight years from 2003 to 2010, there were 4,811 homicides; 1,485 of those involved firearms; only 45 featured long guns registered to the accused. In none of these few cases have the police been able to say that the long-gun registry provided the identity of the murderer."

Source: Why the long-gun registry doesn?t work ? and never did | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did)


The simple answer is that criminals weren't aquiring guns legally, which is an arguement that has come up time and time again resulting in the same conclusion (that it's true). Another important point to note is that statistically, criminals favour handguns, which have been restricted and force registered since 1935. Yet, the majority of firearm homicides in Canada are still committed with handguns.

Another favourite within the criminal element are automatic firearms, which are prohibited entirely for private ownership in Canada, though we still see them being used (although sparingly) on the streets.

Random sources:
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2015/08/24/gangster-matin-pouyan-survives-another-targeted-shooting/
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2007/08/09/2_die_in_vancouver_shooting.html

The FBI kindly supplies relevant statistics to the public online for anyone to view, in which it clearly shows that handguns kill more people in the Unites States alone than rifles, shotguns, fists, knives, explosives, and/or other miscellanious devices combined. Deaths related to fist fights alone shadowed murders with rifles and shotguns, the same firearms that the LGR intended to keep track of.

The pattern does not change when you come back over the border, though it is proportionally smaller due to our population. You don't see Canadian street gangs hauling around M1 Garands to knock over convenience stores, and yet that is exactly the type of firearm the LGR was built for. The RCMP has always been against private ownership of firearms, so it's no surprise that they would tell the public how much of a god send the LGR was, despite the LGR only listing the make, model, and serial number of firearms that belonged to legal firearm owners (see above for uselessness).

To put a cherry on this cake, let me give you a simple rundown of how idiotic the RCMP is regarding how they classify firearms.

Non-restricted (go out into the bush shooting): http://www.tacticalimports.ca/gm6-lynx-p-3.html

Restricted (only shoot in designated gun ranges): http://gun-shop.ca/product/beretta-cx4-storm-9mm/

/end rant.

[Mr.HappySilp]

As a bit of political junkie, this has been an interesting campaign to follow. I honestly thought that this race was going to be between Mulcair and Harper.

The polls are indicating one thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Conservative minority. The last 3 elections have proven that there's a silent, but reliable Conservative base of voters out there. Will they come out, or stay home?

I am so is my family. There are some screw ups with the Con but overall they did an OK job. No party is going to do well during a recession. I would think if Libs or NPD is charge for the last couple of years we will be in a worse spot.

I don't like how the Libs is going to spend billions of dollars into social programs and put the country in more debt that I or my kids are going to have to pay off. I also don't like how NDP is going to raise min wage to $15/hr (at least in some parts of the country) I make roughly $20/hour now do you think my wage is going to up when min wage is increase? Hell no so what happens is everything becomes more $$$ coz most business just pass the added cost down to consumers that equals to less spending money for me.

I also don't like Con on certain matters but I rather things stay they way they are for now. At least with the Con I got a pretty decent job and my tax haven't gone up too much while they run things.

[SkunkWorks]

The thing about the policy is that many of the 1% don't actually make salaries in that range - they have personal corporations to shelter their income, or have shares as part of their salary. It hurts people like doctors and lawyers who collect salaries.

Doubt that.

Lots of doctors and lawyers are incorporated as well.

[radioman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5ckcTSYu8

[PeanutButter]

As a bit of political junkie, this has been an interesting campaign to follow. I honestly thought that this race was going to be between Mulcair and Harper.

The polls are indicating one thing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Conservative minority. The last 3 elections have proven that there's a silent, but reliable Conservative base of voters out there. Will they come out, or stay home?

What gave you any inclination it would be Mulcair vs Harper?
NDP has never been in power before, what made you think this was their year?

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5ckcTSYu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5ckcTSYu8

This is a MUST WATCH! Bumping to next page

[StylinRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5ckcTSYu8

was okay, but seems like his research team was lazy

[Jmac]

What gave you any inclination it would be Mulcair vs Harper?
NDP has never been in power before, what made you think this was their year?
The NDP was literally leading in the polls for the first ~1/3 of the election campaign.

As for the John Oliver video, I liked the Hurricane Katrina reference with Myers and Kanye :lawl:

[Ch28]

Mainstreet Predicts a Liberal Majority Government (http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/our-prediction/)

October 18, 2015 (Toronto, ON) – With Election Day hours away, Mainstreet Research is publicly re-affirming its prediction of a Liberal Majority Government.

The original prediction was made on October 13th by Mainstreet Research President, Quito Maggi. Mainstreet remained in the field following the publication of its final poll on Saturday morning.

“Everything we have seen in the past week, including numbers from this weekend, points to a Liberal Majority,” said Maggi. “It’s always possible vote splits will mean the Liberals will fall just short, but based on our riding, regional and national work, a Liberal Majority government is the most likely outcome tomorrow night – in fact, we expect it.”

[StylinRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-deQYK7c2Q

ah i never really watched Mercer before, but every time i see a clip of one of his rants i tell myself i should start watching his show

[Ch28]

http://i.imgur.com/i5s84UW.jpg

[StylinRed]

getting desperate

https://twitter.com/TorontoRobFord/status/655552840908328960

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/chris-selley-desperate-conservatives-embrace-the-fords-humiliate-themselves

[Manic!]

getting desperate

https://twitter.com/TorontoRobFord/status/655552840908328960

Chris Selley: Desperate Conservatives embrace the Fords as time runs out | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/chris-selley-desperate-conservatives-embrace-the-fords-humiliate-themselves)

harper tried so hard not to have a picture with him or mention his name.

Looks like Rob dun goofed.

[yameen]

Everything you need to know about the parties? platforms, from taxes and terrorism to the environment | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-parties-platforms)

great link about the stance of each party. i think i'll be voting liberal but there are parts of ndp that i like more.

[4444]

At least 8 people choosing not to vote? In this day and age when everything is getting worse?



i think the issue isn't that people aren't voting, it's that they have no one to vote for.

who are you going to realistically vote for? two parties that will be fiscally irresponsible or inbred Harper and all the shit he brings along?

I even find it hard to accept that one is the "best of a bad bunch", voting for any of them would turn my skin

[7seven]

It'll be interesting to see if the polls are right, we've all seen it before with the Christy Clark BC Liberals trailing behind in polls only to win and in the UK with David Cameron's Conservatives trailing far behind in polls only to win as well.

[SkinnyPupp]

i think the issue isn't that people aren't voting, it's that they have no one to vote for.

who are you going to realistically vote for? two parties that will be fiscally irresponsible or inbred Harper and all the shit he brings along?

I even find it hard to accept that one is the "best of a bad bunch", voting for any of them would turn my skin
"Best of a bad bunch" is infinitely better than what much of the rest of the world has. There are people who are spending their lives fighting to have at least that.

Go vote!

[Hondaracer]

Interesting all 4 candidates spend their last day campaigning in BC

[CRS]

Interesting all 4 candidates spend their last day campaigning in BC

BC is the swing vote.

[smoothie.]

It would be interesting to see what the polls would be like on other local non car forums.

I guess we could just wait 10 hours

[Ronin]

i think the issue isn't that people aren't voting, it's that they have no one to vote for.

who are you going to realistically vote for? two parties that will be fiscally irresponsible or inbred Harper and all the shit he brings along?

I even find it hard to accept that one is the "best of a bad bunch", voting for any of them would turn my skin

...look, as much as people want to rag on Harper, even if he wins, life in Canada is still pretty awesome. It's not like Harper dropped mustard gas on us or something.

Are you aware of what goes on elsewhere in the world? Some people only have actually shitty choices or have a sham election or no election at all.

[Traum]

...look, as much as people want to rag on Harper, even if he wins, life in Canada is still pretty awesome. It's not like Harper dropped mustard gas on us or something.

This would remain true regardless of who wins the election. Compared to the majority of the world, we have it pretty good here. But that doesn't make any of the candidates good at all. As 4444 says, we have:

1) a 10 year reigning tyrant with a Lego guy hairdo
2) a pretty boy with no experience in anything
3) an un-charismatic old fart that is clueless about anything outside of Quebec

More than any other federal elections I can remember, this one has to suck the most.

[unit]

^seriously though why do physical looks have to be a factor for each candidate for you?
maybe you're just trying to be funny but can we at least be specific with the issues?

[willystyle]

^seriously though why do physical looks have to be a factor for each candidate for you?
maybe you're just trying to be funny but can we at least be specific with the issues?
Unfortunately, many of the votes, particularly from women, are based on the appearance of the candidate, and not on policy.

[Tim Budong]

^seriously though why do physical looks have to be a factor for each candidate for you?
maybe you're just trying to be funny but can we at least be specific with the issues?

good looks, charisma and being a strong speaker will connect with the audience one way or another.

[urrh]

just came back from voting, there was a dude running for a pirate party in my riding. i didn't even know i wanted a pirate MP until today. took everything i had not to vote for him. getting harper out is for the greater good

[Traum]

^seriously though why do physical looks have to be a factor for each candidate for you?
maybe you're just trying to be funny but can we at least be specific with the issues?
OK, lemme rephrase this in terms that are more agreeable to you. In this election, we have the following candidates to choose from:

1) a 10 year reigning tyrant that has destroyed many of the fabrics that define Canada (eg. immigration, integrity, disgraced our parliament, voter suppression, respect for our natural resources and environment, anti-competition, etc.)

2) an inexperienced politician that has not been able to hold a steady career prior to joining politics, and only managed small time portfolios when he became active in politics

3) a leader that lacks observable leadership skills, cannot provide a convincing financial platform, and has repeatedly shown his ignorance on things outside Quebec

The candidates we have now almost make Stéphane Dion look more electable.

[4444]

...look, as much as people want to rag on Harper, even if he wins, life in Canada is still pretty awesome. It's not like Harper dropped mustard gas on us or something.

Are you aware of what goes on elsewhere in the world? Some people only have actually shitty choices or have a sham election or no election at all.

so we should just accept whatever shit we get just because 'it's alright here'?

don't give up, demand better. canada used to be A FUCK LOAD better, i demand it get back to what it was, strong, proud. that pride, i fear, is somewhat misplaced.

for the record, i would vote conservative, but it's not like i'd be excited about it, they just offend me the least (and most importantly, are the least bad financially for me personally)

[wreck]

i think the issue isn't that people aren't voting, it's that they have no one to vote for.

who are you going to realistically vote for? two parties that will be fiscally irresponsible or inbred Harper and all the shit he brings along?

I even find it hard to accept that one is the "best of a bad bunch", voting for any of them would turn my skin

In this current global economic situation, shouldn't the fiscal aspect of government trump all?

I'm not convinced now is the time for major fiscal change, despite how terrible a leader the majority feel Harper is.

[Hondaracer]

good looks, charisma and being a strong speaker will connect with the audience one way or another.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/sniperslayer/ACF8717F-7409-4B92-84D0-42E9AE6FA69F_zps7zrrg5y9.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/sniperslayer/media/ACF8717F-7409-4B92-84D0-42E9AE6FA69F_zps7zrrg5y9.jpg.html)

I concur

[Roach]

Just to clarify, the Conservative party's fiscal record is quite poor. I think this article lays it out well:

No matter how you add it up, Harper?s fiscal record is a catastrophe (http://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/)

The below link is also useful. The Conservatives inherited a surplus of $13.8b when they took over in 2006. Since then, they have racked up approximately $160b in deficits cumulatively.

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/canada-deficit/

Kev

[jasonturbo]

IMO, this election has revealed a major issue with Canadian society. If I had to summarize it in a word, it would be "perspective".

If there is really only one thing that is certain, what we expect the world to be in 10 years, will almost certainly be incorrect. Canadians don't seem to realize this.

Roach you made reference to Harpers poor economic track record, well unless there is a parallel universe that was ruled by Jack Layton or some other leader we really have no reasonable way to judge Mr. Harpers performance. No other leader will ever experience an identical, or potentially even comparable set of circumstances to another leader, the world changes far to fast. Gov spending will always be going up simply with respect to the steadily increasing population, the hope is that tax revenues will be greater than the draw.

The world is changing, our economic and social policies need to change as well. People criticize certain aspects of government spending, one obvious example would be hospital ER wait times. Perhaps we have already hit the high water mark, perhaps the additional spending promised by certain parties will not be sufficient to even maintain the status quo as our population demographics change and ER wait times will become days instead of hours etc.

Canada is not going to change for the better over the next 20-40 years IMO, the quality of life we have become accustomed too is very expensive, and this is the quality of life we are expected to provide for 1/3 of the Canadian population that will be sucking social services dry into their twilight years. There will soon be 2.5 tax payers for ever retiree, there used 10 tax payers per retiree in the 50's.

North Americans had their chance, we pissed it away on UAW workers making 80/HR to place an ashtray in a cup holder. The rest of the world caught up, I suspect there will come a time in the not too distant future where we are the ones playing catch up... the only reason we aren't there now is because we have a lot of resources to exploit, though people seem less and less interested in those resources lately.

Mehh it's all a matter of opinion, but I believe that our issues as a country extend well beyond anything the Gov. can fix, it's an issue with entitlement, attitude, work ethic, and complacency. Those looking to the gov. to solve their personal problems will one day find themselves out in the cold when the long term economic reality hits the wall.

Canada is economic pimple on earths face. The external forces acting inward are far greater than he internal forces acting outward.

I realize this is a disheveled rant, maybe if I had 6 months to spare I would intelligently prepare the words and write a book.. right now I'm too busy playing GTA5 online.

Don't forget to vote...

.. CONSERVATIVE!!!! :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

BTW if you are working during voting hours, you are entitled to a paid 3 hour break to go vote:

Election 2015: Workers guaranteed 3 hours to vote in Canada - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/canada-election-2015-no-time-vote-employer-must-1.3276550)

[carisear]

^^ not quite. If you work 9-5, you are not entitled for any break, since you have 3 hours uninterrupted already (5-8) to vote

[und3f3at3d]

voting stations close at 7? So 5-7 is only 2 hrs, they need to let you off early

[inv4zn]

In BC I believe most if not all polling stations are 7am to 7pm.

So they need to either let you come in at 10, or leave at 4.

[carisear]

my bad -- yeah we are only up to 7pm not 8pm. most people will be able to get at least 1 hour off of work!

[MindBomber]

Reports are coming in from across Canada of voters receiving pre-marked ballots favouring Conservative and Green candidates. It could be a printing error that only coincidentally favours the Conservatives and the party that is not in contention, but the given the Cons history of corruption and election fraud, I am concerned. If you receive a ballot like this be sure to request a new one.

Reddit thread documenting the issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/3pdudu/reports_coming_in_from_all_over_canada_premarked/.

[nsmb]

sent home with full pay at 1230.. ayyy 4Head

[StylinRed]

In this current global economic situation, shouldn't the fiscal aspect of government trump all?

I'm not convinced now is the time for major fiscal change, despite how terrible a leader the majority feel Harper is.

Fiscal policy is one of the worst things about Harper, but he seems to have successfully pulled the wool over everyone's eyes

[Mr.HappySilp]

woot getting sent home at 4pm! 30mins earlier than when I normally off.

[booge_man]

If your getting off work early go Vote first, then go drink a beer, or whatever your leisure pleasure. Most importantly Vote, the polls close at 7 P.M.

[Ronin]

Results from the East are beginning to trickle in. Libs secured 5 seats in Newfieland.

[Jmac]

http://i.imgur.com/GgZ1c1x.gif?noredirect

[Jmac]

Results from the East are beginning to trickle in. Libs secured 5 seats in Newfieland.
They're in the lead in (now 6) ridings, but that's only counting a handful of ballot boxes in each riding.

Of course, Atlantic Canada is expected to be heavily dominated by the Liberals.

[sonick]

just came back from voting, there was a dude running for a pirate party in my riding. i didn't even know i wanted a pirate MP until today. took everything i had not to vote for him. getting harper out is for the greater good

So apparently there is also a Rhinoceros Party that is actually on the ballots:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party#Platform

If elected, the Rhinoceros Party of Canada has promised to:

Repeal the law of gravity
Promote higher education by building taller schools
Count the Thousand Islands to make sure the Americans didn’t steal any[9]
Reform the retail lottery scheme by replacing cash prizes with Senate appointments
Seat the Queen of Canada in Buckingham, Quebec.
Nationalize Tim Hortons[10]
Move the national capital to Kapuskasing, Ontario[10]
Privatize the Canadian Army

[Gh0stRider]

Live Canada election results 2015: Real-time results in the federal election - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2281127/federal-election-2015-live-real-time-results/)

[Qmx323]

So apparently there is also a Rhinoceros Party that is actually on the ballots:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party#Platform

They also vowed "monthly orgasms" to ensure every Canadian is happy. :fullofwin:

[MindBomber]

27 Lib, 2 Con, 1 NDP. That's a good start.

[Teriyaki]

Liberals crushing it in Atlantic Canada.

[Jmac]

27 Lib, 2 Con, 1 NDP. That's a good start.
30-1-1 now

[murd0c]

Thats not a shock at all, with all the cuts they have been making in Atlantic Canada especially with the coast guard they Cons don't have a chance there.

[underscore]

Live from the CBC Canada Election 2015 Live Results CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelection/dashboard/index.html)

What I don't get is how it'll show a party as "elected" for a riding, and then change a few minutes later. Surely it shouldn't say they won that riding until they have actually won it.

[Jmac]

Now a clean sweep of Atlantic Canada so far. A couple of close ridings, so maybe not a complete sweep when it's all said and done, but looks like the Liberals picked up quite a few extra seats over the forecasts.

[HonestTea]

32-0-0-0 now lol

[Qmx323]

Canadian Federal Election 2015 - News, Results and Analysis - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/federal-election-2015/ridings/)

another one to track live

[RRxtar]

2011 for reference

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Canada_Fed_election_2011_Ridings.svg

[RRxtar]

live tracking map:

Live Canada election results 2015: Real-time results in the federal election - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2281127/federal-election-2015-live-real-time-results/)

[tonyzoomzoom]

need to flip back and forth between election results and the Jays game. LOL.

[wingies]

Best link I've found so far

Canada Election 2015 Live Results CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelection/dashboard/)

[CRS]

Best link I've found so far

Canada Election 2015 Live Results CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelection/dashboard/)

I can't seem to get the live stream to work.

Using CTV news live coverage until CBC figures itself out.

[Ronin]

Watching CBC coverage. Liberals took all of Atlantic Canada. One more and they will tie their entire total from the last election.

[Jmac]

If the Liberals take Quebec like the NDP took Quebec last election, it's game over.

[inv4zn]

lol looking at all this made me remember how badly the Liberals fucked up their last election bid, under Ignatieff.

[Teriyaki]

Will there even be an official opposition?

[murd0c]

Will there even be an official opposition?

yup NDP or who ever is closest to the libs

[Jmac]

Conservatives will own the Prairies and Eastern BC. The NDP will have to do really well in Quebec, Ontario, and BC to stand a chance.

[carisear]

not surprising. atlantic Canada has gone back to how they traditionally vote. Liberals should clean up Quebec too, as the protest-vote for NDP has now waned. Ontario will be when the real election begins.

[TMT]

Voted

[Ronin]

47-7-2. Libs steady gaining seats in Quebec. Doesn't look like the NDP will have the same luck as last time in that province.

[CRS]

CTV is a little premature but they declared a Liberal win.

[Manic!]

CBC is forecasting a win for Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikoyan]

No one's saying if it's going to be a Liberal Majority or Minority yet though.

[MindBomber]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

[EmperorIS]

JUuuuuuuuuuuuuSSSTINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

Think it's time for a beer.

[murd0c]

I just hope its a majority thats the main thing right now!!

[tonyzoomzoom]

As much as I want a Liberal government, is it a bit early to forecast or declare a winner? Not even done counting Quebec / Ontario yet.

[Ronin]

There's pretty reliable science behind why they can make that prediction. I remember they sort of explained on The Newsroom but I forget.

[MindBomber]

Global is now also predicting a Liberal win.

[Mikoyan]

Statistics are a powerful tool.

[CRS]

BC is now closed!

Congratulations to all those that voted!

[Durrann]

Statistics are a powerful tool.

It sure is but
Not for the canucks lol

[murd0c]

I'm so proud to be Canadian right now and so happy most of us are in the same mind frame!!

[yameen]

there should not be any preliminary results shown to us because i believe it influence certain votes from our side. since they announce that liberals may have majority or minority, ppl here might have their votes skewed because of that news.

[EmperorIS]

hahahah someone yelled FHRITP on the cbc feed

[Mikoyan]

Even though the poll here wasn't very scientific (voluntary, not random participants) I'm curious to see how it matches up against the actual popular vote results. Is a Mod going to close the poll anytime soon?

Right at this moment the percentage for Liberals here (191/311) is pretty close to the last percentage of the popular vote being reported on TV.

[willystyle]

there should not be any preliminary results shown to us because i believe it influence certain votes from our side. since they announce that liberals may have majority or minority, ppl here might have their votes skewed because of that news.
I suppose the Conservatives shot themselves in the foot for this one cause they allowed this to happen. In previous elections, they weren't allowed to announce the results until all polling stations were closed.

[GS8]

What do I wanna hear tomorrow morning?

'Stephen Harper' announces resignation

I want this fucker to slither back into whatever oil patch spawned him...

EDIT: lol 121 viewing this thread

[SpeedStars]

CBC site shows 156 seats for libs right now!! Really hope it becomes a majority govt so we can get shit done

[willystyle]

Looks like it's gonna be a Liberals majority.

[MindBomber]

Hey Steven, friend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RoOwSKI7M

[carisear]

I'm a conservative guy, but I don't mind the way things are playing out. As I've said all along, the liberals and conservatives are a lot closer together on the political spectrum than liberals and ndp. A lot of their policies are similar, with only a few key differences. Canada should be fine economically.

I'm just happy to see the NDP have gone back to being the fringe party that they are normally.

On an unrelated note ...

"conservatives only do attack ads. why are they doing personal attacks? they are dirty and use negativity. etc etc etc"

What do I see on RS, and fb, and social media by the #abc crowd? "harper is the devil. harper sucks. harper eats babies" ... ironic ...

[twitchyzero]

today's google.ca doodle has live updated map

[Manic!]

Nina Grewal is losing and 174 fore the Libs. That's a majority right there.

[murd0c]

Nina Grewal is losing and 174 fore the Libs. That's a majority right there.

I'm doing a dance right now... I voted for Libs and so happy that Nina Grewal might be done

[MindBomber]

I'm doing a dance right now... I voted for Libs and so happy that Nina Grewal might be done

Me too. I'm also in her (hopefully former) riding.

[Jmac]

I'm just glad I don't have to listen to anymore attack ads.

Unfortunately, that probably will mean more Messier ads. Even McDavid can't stand Messier; he lets it go to voice mail every time Mess calls.

[westopher]

"conservatives only do attack ads. why are they doing personal attacks? they are dirty and use negativity. etc etc etc"

What do I see on RS, and fb, and social media by the #abc crowd? "harper is the devil. harper sucks. harper eats babies" ... ironic ...

It might be ironic if those of us on RS shitting on Harper were actually in charge of a political campaign. We are just individuals talking shit, not and entire political party using it as their only political platform.

[murd0c]

It's very impressive right now since the libs finished 3rd in the last election behind NDP

[Stealthy]

Harper be like https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/broadbent/pages/4484/attachments/original/1438978562/harper-creepygif.gif?1438978562

[Jmac]

It's very impressive right now since the libs finished 3rd in the last election behind NDP
With Ignatieff running against Jack Layton. Everyone hated Ignatieff and loved Layton.

[MindBomber]

I likely would have voted NDP were Layton still their leader. RIP.

Ignatieff and Dion were both terrible candidates that didn't deserve to be elected PM.

[willystyle]

Pretty surprised how bad NDP is doing.

[tonyzoomzoom]

Global has declared a Liberal majority government !! :fuckyea:

[murd0c]

CTV has as well

[pastarocket]

I'm gonna wear red to work tomorrow even though I voted for the orange party, NDP. -just happy to see the Conservatives booted out of office. :fuckyea:

#ABC!

[Gh0stRider]

http://s28.postimg.org/itgjw5od9/screenshot_34.jpg

[MindBomber]

Let's hope the Liberal's follow through with their promise to make this election the last under the first-past-the-post voting system.

If they do then the Conservatives will never be in power again.

[BBMme]

Liberal majority crazy, they better not fuck it up

[Akinari]

Am I the only one who voted Conservative because I wanted Dianne Watts to win in my riding? :alone:

[CorneringArtist]

Am I the only one who voted Conservative because I wanted Dianne Watts to win in my riding? :alone:

Watts was never the same once she started working as an MP.

[Great68]

Doing my happy dance at home.

Been waiting for this for 9 years.

FUCK YEAH!

[Stealthy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f00mCpmkffE

[Ronin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f00mCpmkffE

Who still thinks this is funny? Who ever thought this was funny? This is the lowest form of comedy. Below Dane Cook.

[MindBomber]

Elizabeth May has an early lead in her riding!

[Mr.HappySilp]

Let's hope the Liberal's follow through with their promise to make this election the last under the first-past-the-post voting system.

If they do then the Conservatives will never be in power again.

In all your years haven't you learn anything yet lol. Gov will promise all kinds of stuff to get elected but once elected they will come up with any reason as to why they can't do what the promise.

Prime example from mayor moonbean to end homeless by 2015. Well there are still tons of homeless and his excuse is that he blame on the warm weather which attracted more homeless coming to Vancouver.

[twitchyzero]

anyone ever had Trudeau as their teacher?
I recall having a social studies substitute as mr. trudeau in the early 2000's whom I remember to be justin...but wiki tells me he teaches french and math.

[westopher]

In all your years haven't you learn anything yet lol. Gov will promise all kinds of stuff to get elected but once elected they will come up with any reason as to why they can't do what the promise.

Prime example from mayor moonbean to end homeless by 2015. Well there are still tons of homeless and his excuse is that he blame on the warm weather which attracted more homeless coming to Vancouver.
Its not really the right example, because moonbeam went full retard and promised something that is literally impossible.
Electoral reform should be relatively simple since every seat in parliament will support it other than the cons.

[Not really racist!]

http://i.imgur.com/5rEr0MS.jpg

:lol

[Durrann]

anyone ever had Trudeau as their teacher?
I recall having a social studies substitute as mr. trudeau in the early 2000's whom I remember to be justin...but wiki tells me he teaches french and math.

Yes he taught at Gladstone for a few days social studies apparently

[hypediss]

jenny kwan is leading :(

[Roach]

jenny kwan is leading :(

http://www.vancouversun.com/cms/binary/9656700.jpg

Ugh more of her shit

Kev

[willystyle]

jenny kwan is leading :(
Crying a bit on the inside considering most of Van voted for Liberals.

[CRS]

Jenny Kwan.

:fml:

[cow20xx]

I hope mulcair wins his own riding, someone put him on suicide watch because thats a crushing defeat for him personally.

[CP.AR]

I wish I could vote... unfortunately the rules don't allow it if I can't prove that I will return to live in Canada :( (which I do... but not until at least a decade down the road)

Kind of glad the liberals are back at the helm though.

[H.Specter]

I, for one, welcome our Syrian overlords.

[DragonChi]

I hope mulcair wins his own riding, someone put him on suicide watch because thats a crushing defeat for him personally.

He had the smarts, just not the heart. I thought he didn't really connect with the people. More of a fact stater.

[CRS]

Mulclair at least won his riding. So that's something.

[TjAlmeida]

And I thought the oil patch was bad now... For Fuck sake.

[murd0c]

http://i.imgur.com/gfHTnAO.jpg

[Manic!]

anyone ever had Trudeau as their teacher?
I recall having a social studies substitute as mr. trudeau in the early 2000's whom I remember to be justin...but wiki tells me he teaches french and math.

Subs fill in for other subjects sometimes.

[Jmac]

And I thought the oil patch was bad now... For Fuck sake.
Why is it bad now during this Conservative utopia? Or is the Liberal Boogeyman going to cause a further drop in a certain commodity's global price?

[E-40six]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/12140551_10156108303970335_1825166096360460127_n.j pg?oh=824c361f50559c9b6edea7928b1ba853&oe=568B1175

[2damaxmr2]

Great we are going to get double carbon tax.

[MindBomber]

Great we are going to get double carbon tax.

Maybe more gun control measures too! :fullofwin:

[murd0c]

And I thought the oil patch was bad now... For Fuck sake.

The Albertans can thank voting in the NDP for that!!

[hypediss]

anyone have access to the total number of votes casted/counted thus far?

wondering what the turnout is

[murd0c]

anyone have access to the total number of votes casted/counted thus far?

wondering what the turnout is

so far its over 13mill

[Manic!]

The cons lost in my riding. So happy. It's been a con strong hold for a long time!!!

[westopher]

The Albertans can thank voting in the NDP for that!!
Or they can thank the global oil value being half of what it was when alberta was thriving.

[Jmac]

The Albertans can thank voting in the NDP for that!!
Care to show me where in this article it mentions 4 months of NDP government is responsible for the global downturn in oil prices?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/energy-environment/oil-prices.html?_r=0

Why has the price of oil been dropping so fast? Why now?
This a complicated question, but it boils down to the simple economics of supply and demand.

United States domestic production has nearly doubled over the last six years, pushing out oil imports that need to find another home. Saudi, Nigerian and Algerian oil that once was sold in the United States is suddenly competing for Asian markets, and the producers are forced to drop prices. Canadian and Iraqi oil production and exports are rising year after year. Even the Russians, with all their economic problems, manage to keep pumping.

There are signs, however, that production is beginning to fall in the United States and some other oil producing countries because of the drop in exploration investments.

On the demand side, the economies of Europe and developing countries are weakening and vehicles are becoming more energy-efficient. So demand for fuel is lagging a bit. China's recent devaluation of its currency suggests the economy of the world's biggest oil importer may be worse off than expected.

[Teriyaki]

He had the smarts, just not the heart. I thought he didn't really connect with the people. More of a fact stater.

Miss the Jack Layton days.

[westopher]

Care to show me where in this article it mentions 4 months of NDP government is responsible for the global downturn in oil prices?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/energy-environment/oil-prices.html?_r=0
I like you Jmac.

[GS8]

WOW, didn't have to wait till the morning!

:fullofwin: :fullofwin: :fullofwin:

Stephen Harper resigns as Conservative leader | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/stephen-harper-resigns-as-conservative-leader-1.2617950)



EDIT: I voted NDP. I actually like Mulcair but then again he's like me. A stoic yet logical figure. Does nothing to sway public interest. I was expecting Lib majority but wanted NDP to gain more seats than the Cons.

[Jmac]

Looks like Gilles Duceppe will lose his seat despite the Bloc Quebecois gaining an additional 6 seats (to 10).

[Jmac]

I like you Jmac.
You're pretty awesome yourself.

:relations

[CRS]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12088579_10153669713429210_7661942870550688324_n.j pg?oh=8514bcae636fe28c4ec001b7a82fb3e0&oe=56D2C524

[Timpo]

ok so who won?

[Timpo]

more importantly, what's gonna change exactly?

[Fafine]

ok so who won?

the gtr won, timpo, the gtr always wins

[hud 91gt]

anyone ever had Trudeau as their teacher?
I recall having a social studies substitute as mr. trudeau in the early 2000's whom I remember to be justin...but wiki tells me he teaches french and math.

My gf did as a substitute. She said he was slightly entitled and cocky. Could be the French coming out, or maybe he is a little.

[Ronin]

anyone ever had Trudeau as their teacher?
I recall having a social studies substitute as mr. trudeau in the early 2000's whom I remember to be justin...but wiki tells me he teaches french and math.

One of my friends told me Trudeau was substitute for his class on 9/11.

[GS8]

So...Harper stays in Calgary?

Hmm..

Muslim mayor http://www.eproductivity.com/dx/icon-black-checkmark.png/$file/icon-black-checkmark.png
NDP Provincial Majority Government http://www.eproductivity.com/dx/icon-black-checkmark.png/$file/icon-black-checkmark.png
Liberal Federal Majority Government http://www.eproductivity.com/dx/icon-black-checkmark.png/$file/icon-black-checkmark.png

Oh man, the Karma

:joy:

[RevYouUp]

One of my friends told me Trudeau was substitute for his class on 9/11.

coincidence? I think not

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1550541334/eye_reasonably_small_400x400.jpg

[Jmac]

15.5 million votes and counting. Probably going to be well over 20 million, I'd imagine.

[underscore]

http://i.imgur.com/zyRzF2B.gif

Liberal majority, here's to hoping Trudeau doesn't fuck it up.

[carisear]

omg, how can a party win with just 39% of the vote. this is so unfair! if you add up the next two parties, it's over 50%!!!111


j/k. I'm glad they got a majority -- now he can govern without any handcuffs. this is a huge benefit to fptp -- a gov't can actually get shit done. whether people agree with it or not, will be decided on the next election.

I'm happy harper is resigning -- PLEASE CONSERVATIVES DON'T FUCK IT UP BY VOTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE OLD BOYS CLUB.

[Manic!]

This is what Canada is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw0_JLLT5n0
Something harper never understood.

[4444]

i am being 100% cynical here, but from what I gather on social media, the message was "Harper out", "anyone but Harper", etc.

So, Harper is out - but do people genuinely want Trudeau? In the context of the choices had, perhaps it was the least bad choice, but are people genuinely seeing this as the beginning of a new, positive chapter, or just "Harper out"?

edit: economically, this is a negative from the FX view. In last 24 hrs CAD has weakened against USD. Not surprising purely from Cons vs. Liberal economic policy standpoint

[CRS]

i am being 100% cynical here, but from what I gather on social media, the message was "Harper out", "anyone but Harper", etc.

So, Harper is out - but do people genuinely want Trudeau? In the context of the choices had, perhaps it was the least bad choice, but are people genuinely seeing this as the beginning of a new, positive chapter, or just "Harper out"?

Do these have to be mutually exclusive?

[Ch28]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWyk86yWsQ

[4444]

Do these have to be mutually exclusive?

absolutely not, but from what I see, hear, etc. it seems to be that people are far more concerned with the latter than the former.

i would always want it weighted way more heavily to the former, with the latter being icing on the cake

[underscore]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12107253_773195076122400_5704989257992954250_n.jpg ?oh=b17f659800a5d66f2f70c622505343b4&oe=56BF1C5D

And after all the "he's just not ready" ads, I'm imagining this will be PM Trudeau on his first day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MoXPxA5LM

[Ch28]

What a great speech by Trudeau. He just exudes charisma and confidence

[Ikkaku]

Agreed with 4444. If people were mostly concerned with the political platform and what they mean for the future of Canada, there wouldn't be the need for the social media hype train for "team lets get rid of Harper".

I am happy that a lot more people exercised their right to vote, but view this election as a dud in terms of voting based on platform and vision.

[Ch28]

I'll take anyone's bet on a con minority since you guys sound so sure of the outcome.

$100 anyone?

So your bet is $100 CAD on a conservative minority win?

Just want to clear that up.

If that's the bet. I'll take you up on it.

Done. Call it a draw it it's a NDP/LIB coalition?

Sure.

So you and CRS I'm in for. $200 is probably enough to wager on an election lol.

Sorry for late reply I'm out in the bush hunting

So when is Hondaracer going to fork out the money?

http://i.imgur.com/oGHAeP5.gif

[Verdasco]

wow jenny kwan.... i remember seeing her on my social studies text book in high school! LOL

[inv4zn]

A question off-topic - what is the actual benefit of running for/starting a fringe (yet official) political party?

There was a candidate from "the Lennnist-Marxist Party of Canada" - in New Westminster, of all places lol.

Is there some sort of "perk" that being a part of an official (and mildly hilarious) political party? There's the pirate party, the rhino party, the work-less party, etc.
Or do these people just believe so strongly in one thing that no other established party has, and they just start their own?

[PiuYi]

omg, how can a party win with just 39% of the vote. this is so unfair! if you add up the next two parties, it's over 50%!!!111


pretty sure this has been already posted and everyone is aware of First Past The Post problems but just in case......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo


hopefully Liberals will change this flawed system, but seems unlikely

[CRS]

A question off-topic - what is the actual benefit of running for/starting a fringe (yet official) political party?

There was a candidate from "the Lennnist-Marxist Party of Canada" - in New Westminster, of all places lol.

Is there some sort of "perk" that being a part of an official (and mildly hilarious) political party? There's the pirate party, the rhino party, the work-less party, etc.
Or do these people just believe so strongly in one thing that no other established party has, and they just start their own?

This is like asking by CiC insists on posting on this forum despite very little positive encouragement.

Perhaps it's because they have the time? Perhaps it's because they're exercising their rights and freedoms? Perhaps it's because they actually believe what they're saying?

And somewhere in between that, is what makes this country of ours great. The ability to do it for all those reasons and more.

[Bouncing Bettys]

i am being 100% cynical here, but from what I gather on social media, the message on the right was "even if I dislike Harper, I have no other choice", "even if I am socially progressive, I have no choice but to vote with religious fundamentalists because there are no other parties offering sufficient fiscal conservatism", etc. fixed that to show perspective.

Is the left getting what it wants with Trudeau? When you pool all the votes for the left-leaning parties, they represent the majority of voters. Even when Harper won a majority, the majority of voters were not being represented. So he may not be who the majority of voters want, but he is at least closer to what they want than Harper was.

[Traum]

What a great speech by Trudeau. He just exudes charisma and confidence
That's what he has always been good at, even when he was in his early 20's. However, many criticizes that while he has a very good sense on the emotional appeal side, he lacks the raw capabilities to follow through with real, concrete, and practical actions.

In other words, people are saying he is all talk. I do not support Trudeau even though I voted Liberals this time. But for Canada's sake, I hope he will prove them wrong.

(But I seriously question whether he can / will...)

[Traum]

A question off-topic - what is the actual benefit of running for/starting a fringe (yet official) political party?

There was a candidate from "the Lennnist-Marxist Party of Canada" - in New Westminster, of all places lol.

Is there some sort of "perk" that being a part of an official (and mildly hilarious) political party? There's the pirate party, the rhino party, the work-less party, etc.
Or do these people just believe so strongly in one thing that no other established party has, and they just start their own?
I wonder about the exact same thing as well. I was under the impression that to even register as a candidate, you need to post a deposit of some sort, and if you don't get enough votes, the deposit gets confiscated, so to speak.

So if you know you have zero chance of even making the minimal cut, why even bother? It's cold, hard cash we're talking about here.

[Manic!]

I wonder about the exact same thing as well. I was under the impression that to even register as a candidate, you need to post a deposit of some sort, and if you don't get enough votes, the deposit gets confiscated, so to speak.

So if you know you have zero chance of even making the minimal cut, why even bother? It's cold, hard cash we're talking about here.

It's not about votes.

Elections Canada Online | Political Financing Handbook for Candidates and Official Agents (EC 20155) – July 2015 (http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=can/man/ec20155&document=p5&lang=e#a)

Returning the candidate's nomination deposit

Chapter 1 of this handbook discusses how to become a candidate. Among the requirements in the candidate's nomination process is the payment of a $1,000 nomination deposit when the candidate's nomination paper is filed with the local returning officer.

To receive a refund of the nomination deposit after the election, the candidate or the candidate's official agent has to:

return all unused or cancelled tax receipts as well as a copy of each used tax receipt to Elections Canada within one month after election day, and
fulfill the reporting requirements set out in the Canada Elections Act and Chapter 4 of this handbook

[parm104]

Elections Canada Online | Political Financing Handbook for Candidates and Official Agents (EC$20155) – July$2015 (http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=can/man/ec20155&document=p5&lang=e#a)

Just get Sukh Dhaliwal to take care of that one. #taxservicesbySukhDhaliwal

[ae101]

i didnt get to vote, but i generally wanted Canada to be better & to be honest i think harper was good but he was terrible

i hope justin can do a great job period, thats it

just curious, are then any fanboys/die heart supporters here

like a lot of my dads chinese friends are die hard liberals cuz they opened up immigration (which my dads finds it full of shit)

[Ikkaku]

I guess you could say my family is fairly for the Conservatives, but at the same time we do know a few candidates quite personally as well.

I hope Mr. Trudeau does make a positive change.