[Ronin]

I has a sad, RS...

So my boss comes running into the office yelling that my car is on fire.

I go outside and there's a bike in the middle of the road in flames and so is the back of my car. Looks like he hit the back of my PARKED CAR pretty hard and everything exploded. I opened the passenger door and my boss had a fire extinguisher but by then, nothing we could do.

Fuck.

[nsx042003]

Damn...sorry about your GTI...

what happened to the biker?

[SumAznGuy]

Sorry to hear that about your car.
Is the bike guy ok?

[Ronin]

By the time I got outside, he was down to his underwear and badly burned. Looked like his gear either burned off or he tossed it but his back was not in good shape.

[meme405]

What the fuck.

That's one hell of a freak accident. Sorry to hear dude.

Hope the biker is okay. Don't stress man, insurance will take care of you, that's why it's there.

[320icar]

I live right there. I'll ride by and give my condolences :(

[SkinnyPupp]

I can't even fathom how a bike can hit a parked car on a small side road like that... like what? :fulloffuck:

[68style]

Did you buy replacement insurance?

If so, sweet! New GTI!

[underscore]

^ let alone hard enough to light it on fire.

[melloman]

:fulloffuck:

How does the motorcycle end up in the middle of the road if he crashed into the back of your car... what in the fuck?!

ps. Could see the smoke from my office over on Simpson.

[Ronin]

Did you buy replacement insurance?

If so, sweet! New GTI!

Since mine is 2011, wouldn't they try to find me the same car?

There's no way they're finding another 2011 with 19k on it at the price I got it...

[trollguy]

yikes, hopefully the guy is okay.

and sorry to see your car in flames

[cruz-in]

oh man that sucks. :(

[loong]

holy fuck! i was walking to work and saw the road block but had no clue what was going on. sorry to see this happen.

[smoothie.]

FIRECYCLE

sorry to see

[bossha]

Holy fuck that's by my house

[white rocket]

Since mine is 2011, wouldn't they try to find me the same car?

There's no way they're finding another 2011 with 19k on it at the price I got it...

Doubtful you have a replacement cost policy based on the year of the car. You may have limited depreciation which will help with ICBC's pay out values. They will try to pay you what the market value of the car is considering all factors(mileage, condition, rarity, etc)

Sorry to hear about this random crazy incident. Hope the biker recovers fully and you get paid out nicely for your car.

[E.D.C.5]

holy shit balls! you dont see that everyday. im sorry to hear about your GTI tho.

[evlee]

I saw the aftermath, I hope the rider gets a speedy recovery, I was told by one of the witnesses that the rider could have been transporting a fuel can by cradling it in front.

[twitchyzero]

sorry to see
good thing a car is replaceable...0 fucks were given about the biker's condition in the initial post lol

[boostfever]

Sorry to hear about your car!

[capt_slo]

That really sucks. Wonder what caused him to do that

[jpark]

god damn how does that even happen

[pinn3r]

:pokerface: that's some shit...

My condolences

[dared3vil0]

Wait the rider was seriously burnt? Assuming his bike landed like that and wasn't moved you have to wonder how he wasn't thrown clear of the flames... Unless he was on fire when he hit your car, which would explain how both caught on fire... I don't even...

[SoulCrusher]

Serious motorcycle crash in Richmond closes Shell Road - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2153420/serious-motorcycle-crash-in-richmond-closes-shell-road/)

[murd0c]

WOW I'm beyond feeling for you right now, talk about a freak accident. Hopefully ICBC doesn't fuck you over.

[Limitless]

Holy shit, sorry for your loss man :( Wonder what the biker was doing to get caught in a crash like that.. Hope he has a speedy recovery, and I hope things get settled with the car soon

[murd0c]

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/08/firey-motorcycle-crash-richmond-destroys-two-vehicles/

[XplicitLuder]

So this is why shell was closed. Couldn't pass to get to a delivery lol sorry to hear that dude :(

[radioman]

Was expecting OP to be lomac.

Hope rider is OK and you get a quick easy process with ICBC.

[604STIG]

That's some seriously f'd up sh!t. Hope the rider recovers. Start looking up the comps for your car, ICBC will just look at a couple ads on craigslist and autotrader and average it out. It's will be up to you to research the market and to show why your ride is worth more. (ie. lower mileage, better condition, higher trim level, etc...)

[kross9]

So that what that was heading to work this morning... I hope you didn't have your camera gear in there!

Hope for the best though!

[68style]

That's some seriously f'd up sh!t. Hope the rider recovers. Start looking up the comps for your car, ICBC will just look at a couple ads on craigslist and autotrader and average it out. It's will be up to you to research the market and to show why your ride is worth more. (ie. lower mileage, better condition, higher trim level, etc...)



They actually use an outsourced company now that provides archives of ads for any given car... But yes OP should definitely make his own list of comparables

[entrax]

good thing you weren't parking the car 15 minutes later. even if you would have had more time to possibly save the car, sometimes letting the car take it all compared to having aches/bruises is worth it. best of luck with icbc, etc

[trollguy]

audatex sucks.

[westopher]

How the fuck could the guy that hit your car hard enough to explode it not be a pancake?! This is fucking crazy. Sorry to hear man, at least you aren't on the other end of things.

[Retrac]

Hope biker will make a full recovery and that you'll be compensated properly. At least your car had a viking funeral :troll::troll: sorry inappropes :okay:

[Mike.L]

Keep us posted on what happens, I want to find out if they actually find you a replacement or offer you cash and a different colored car/model, straight cash or a pick at another car.

[Ronin]

Thanks everyone. It sucks but it could be worse. I'm not injured and there weren't any valuables in the car.

I'm a little pissed since this will cost me money and time one way or another but again, the worst thing that happened to me today is I lost a car and have to wait awhile before I buy a new one. It's like I just lost a couple thousand dollars in an instant.

But hey, loads of people have bigger problems they have to deal with, including the biker who probably lost a load of skin on the pavement.

[swfk]

Since mine is 2011, wouldn't they try to find me the same car?

There's no way they're finding another 2011 with 19k on it at the price I got it...

Depends on the terms of the insurance you got. My 2011 GTI got totalled by the fucker who hijacked me and I bought a 5 year replacement insurance from a private company. ICBC reimbursed me 25k market value and Optiom insurance paid the difference between the ICBC cheque and what I paid for back in 2011 (36k+tax)

I could buy anything new or used as long as its from a dealership. Over the value you add on top, under it then you lose out. I ended up going $200 under with a 2015 mk7.

Hope that info helps.

Btw I highly recommend new car buyers to get the Optiom 5 year replacement insurance for under $1200, you can even do 0 interest 12 month payment plan for it. I had $40k to spend on my replacement car instead of the $25k budget, just cuz someone else totalled your car.

Optiom also covers your deductible.

[Ronin]

Depends on the terms of the insurance you got. My 2011 GTI got totalled by the fucker who hijacked me and I bought a 5 year replacement insurance from a private company. ICBC reimbursed me 25k market value and Optiom insurance paid the difference between the ICBC cheque and what I paid for back in 2011 (36k+tax)

I could buy anything new or used as long as its from a dealership. Over the value you add on top, under it then you lose out. I ended up going $200 under with a 2015 mk7.

Hope that info helps.

Well, I bought it certified pre-owned so I don't think replacement is possible. 2011 GTI with only 19k on the odo.

I'm just hoping they give me what my car is worth rather than what I paid.

[mdnx]

Well, I bought it certified pre-owned so I don't think replacement is possible. 2011 GTI with only 19k on the odo.

I'm just hoping they give me what my car is worth rather than what I paid.

Optiom also has used car coverage. If bought it, I believe they will cover it.

[mb_]

Holy fuck! Good luck with ICBC dude. Good to hear that you weren't hurt. Cars can be replaced.

Hope the rider makes a swift recovery.

[smoothie.]

Well, I bought it certified pre-owned so I don't think replacement is possible. 2011 GTI with only 19k on the odo.

I'm just hoping they give me what my car is worth rather than what I paid.

its not too hard

dont sign salvage release until they've offered what you are happy with. my adjuster tried to sneak it in when i first went into the claims centre

find lots of ads that agree with what you value the car at, and should be simple to argue

[Mr.Money]

they say a witness saw the biker holding a jerry can of fuel in the front...small leak from that,with his helmet on & the wind was maybe hiding the smell???....would be possible to have it leaking down to the hot engine

[smoothie.]

wtf

[Ronin]

they say a witness saw the biker holding a jerry can of fuel in the front...small leak from that,with his helmet on & the wind was maybe hiding the smell???....would be possible to have it leaking down to the hot engine

Whaaaaaaaaat? No way. That would be ridiculous.

Where did you see this?

[matter]

The bike was a KTM 1290 superduke, not a bike you would ride around with a jerry can on top. But hey, weirder things have been seen in Richmond before.

[Ronin]

Yeah, he should've used trash bags like normal people...c'mon!

http://www.calgaryherald.com/cms/binary/7113477.jpg

[Stiig]

A biker riding a KTM 1290 with a jerry can? Wow the Darwin is strong on this one! Not sure if I should wish him a speedy recovery. Survival of the fittest?

[Mr.Money]

looks like vancity buzz ninja edit'd there post & removed it...it was written down on the bottom "one of the witnesses said that the rider could have been transporting a fuel can by cradling it in front."....was the exact sentence they used.

i bet if they got the RCMP to investigate you can check local security cameras at gas stations and see this guy holding a red tank above his bike,wouldn't be hard to miss.

[Expresso]

Depends on the terms of the insurance you got. My 2011 GTI got totalled by the fucker who hijacked me and I bought a 5 year replacement insurance from a private company. ICBC reimbursed me 25k market value and Optiom insurance paid the difference between the ICBC cheque and what I paid for back in 2011 (36k+tax)


HIJACKED?! Holy wtf, you have a news link?

[Roach]

White GTI's are jinxed.

My car riot damaged, swfk's car hijacked and now Ronin's car fireballed.

As if the usual Volkswagen problems weren't enough.

Kev

[yray]

Just drove by and damm. Out of all the cars, why didn't he hit the pumpkin car in front.

[tofu1413]

CEL is not enough to kill them, so... other reasons.


but in all seriousness hope the guy is ok, and ICBC would sort out this freak incident!

[hi-revs]

This made the 5pm CTV news just now.

[Ronin]

Whoa...

KTM Recalls 1290 Super Duke R Due To Potential Fire Leak | motorcycle News @ Top Speed (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/ktm-recalls-1290-super-duke-r-due-to-potential-fire-leak-ar170403.html)

[StylinRed]

saw that on the news here at first i thought you crashed! luckily you were safe inside :/ hopefully you didnt lose anything important in the car

[evlee]

I saw the aftermath, I hope the rider gets a speedy recovery, I was told by one of the witnesses that the rider could have been transporting a fuel can by cradling it in front.




looks like vancity buzz ninja edit'd there post & removed it...it was written down on the bottom "one of the witnesses said that the rider could have been transporting a fuel can by cradling it in front."....was the exact sentence they used.

i bet if they got the RCMP to investigate you can check local security cameras at gas stations and see this guy holding a red tank above his bike,wouldn't be hard to miss.


Did vancity buzz just jack my post on revscene? Wtf lol

[Inaii]

Did vancity buzz just jack my post on revscene? Wtf lol

I'm pretty sure RS is where they get all their news :lol so I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ronin]

saw that on the news here at first i thought you crashed! luckily you were safe inside :/ hopefully you didnt lose anything important in the car

Nah, I actually was going to take the car to the body shop (there was a small dent on the passenger front fender) so I cleared everything out. Lost a jacket, a pair of earbuds and that's about it.

...and my cool custom garage door opener mod :cry:

If my camera gear or worse, my laptop and HDs were in the car, I'd be Backdrafting my way through that shit with a fire extinguisher...and I'd be way more pissed.

But hey, I'm not injured...the worst thing that will come out of this is I'm probably out a couple thousand bucks and a load of my time.

Already got my rental car...a Ford Fiesta SE. It's so dangerous driving something with no torque and so little power. Can't drive like I usually do.

[GLOW]

just saw it on news at 6
reporter: "as for Lau...he's renting a car for the next little while..."

cheeky bastard...

[originalhypa]

:fulloffuck:

Holy shit ronin, I can't even!?

[PuYang]

White GTI's are jinxed.

My car riot damaged, swfk's car hijacked and now Ronin's car fireballed.

As if the usual Volkswagen problems weren't enough.

Kev

I drive a 2012 white GTI... T___T

Glad OP was not in the car / not hurt. Can't imagine how upset I'd be if my car was crashed into and combusted.

Random note, since op is talking about low mileage, I'm pretty sure no one can beat mine. 2012, just over 7000 kms... I need to drive more ;s

[320icar]

^^ you looking to sell? I hear someone's in the market for a low km white gti

[PuYang]

^^ you looking to sell? I hear someone's in the market for a low km white gti

Ehhh, most likely not. Not that I LOVE it or anything, but knowing I paid it off completely and only driven ~7000 kms makes me feel silly (from a financial stand point) if I were to sell it already.

[Lomac]

Was expecting OP to be lomac.

:rukidding:

:okay:

Ed, only saw the initial post on FB earlier. Didn't realize the fire had managed to take out the whole car. Glad you're okay, though cars can always be replaced. Hope the biker makes a speedy recovery.

Trust me, I know how much it sucks seeing a car you worked hard for (and on) go up in flames.

[GS8]

Holy fuck. As long as the biker recovers. If he / she made an error, then hopefully they learn from it.

In typical Vanshitty Buzz fashion, some butthurt SJWs crying about his tweet

[jeedee]

holy shit what are the odds.......

[SumAznGuy]

Heard from a friend that the fellow rider is in ICU with 3rd degree burns.
From what I have heard, he is a well respected mature rider and the accident was an accident and he wasn't carrying a gas can in his lap.
There is even a chance he is a fellow RS member.

[thumper]

saw this on the global newsfeed in the response section:

https://youtu.be/_mRa2_5jdP4

ugh. this is the only way to legally have your car washed in the gvrd :(

[Ronin]

Holy fuck. As long as the biker recovers. If he / she made an error, then hopefully they learn from it.

In typical Vanshitty Buzz fashion, some butthurt SJWs crying about his tweet

I saw. I thought maybe I shouldn't but really, I don't know what else I should've done. So I responded to one of them (https://www.facebook.com/VCBuzz/posts/1012307182143869?comment_id=1012350935472827&offset=0&total_comments=44&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D). Should I have said it super somber or something? Sorry, I don't have that in me. Too many hours of watching CK, Chris Rock and Ricky Gervais.

I did ask around to see who knows who the guy is but I don't want to bother the cops or whatever.

[Ronin]

just saw it on news at 6
reporter: "as for Lau...he's renting a car for the next little while..."

cheeky bastard...

Those fuckers. :lol

Not even mad though. I didn't particularly like that they burst into my office asking for an interview but hey, they're just doing their job and hustling too. We were done in 10 minutes and I appreciate that they let me get back to work.

[Funkster]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car. Rider is a friend of mine he is a nice person and he is a mature rider . It's a freak accident that bike burst in flames and even rarer that the rider catches on fire. From the looks of the impact he couldn't have been going fast. Forks not bent to shit and back of your car isn't even dented. I hope he pulls thru.

[cho]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car. Rider is a friend of mine he is a nice person and he is a mature rider . It's a freak accident that bike burst in flames and even rarer that the rider catches on fire. From the looks of the impact he couldn't have been going fast. Forks not bent to shit and back of your car isn't even dented. I hope he pulls thru.

strong first post

[SoNaRWaVe]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car. Rider is a friend of mine he is a nice person and he is a mature rider . It's a freak accident that bike burst in flames and even rarer that the rider catches on fire. From the looks of the impact he couldn't have been going fast. Forks not bent to shit and back of your car isn't even dented. I hope he pulls thru.

Speedy recovery for your friend.

As shitty as it is for material goods to go, they can always be replaced. A life cannot.

[Mr.Money]

so about the rider,this is a known defect with the bike??? :heckno:

that's so fucked up to happen,i really wonder if any lawsuits have being going on about it...Your Bike exploding on you??

[Funkster]

strong first post

Heard about friends saying RSer making stupid speculations. So I came here and see more than half the people seems to worried more about a GTI than a human life.that really gets into me. I'm a car guy too and also a rider. I know it sucks losing your rides but it's safe to say that all our friends would rather lose our rides just to see our buddy pulls thru. This incident really keeping a lot of us sleepless

[SkinnyPupp]

Heard about friends saying RSer making stupid speculations. So I came here and see more than half the people seems to worried more about a GTI than a human life.that really gets into me. I'm a car guy too and also a rider. I know it sucks losing your rides but it's safe to say that all our friends would rather lose our rides just to see our buddy pulls thru. This incident really keeping a lot of us sleepless
In pretty much every single post on the first few pages of this thread, people are asking about the rider.

[Funkster]

In pretty much every single post on the first few pages of this thread, people are asking about the rider.

Well I'm sorry

[mickz]

Heard about friends saying RSer making stupid speculations. So I came here and see more than half the people seems to worried more about a GTI than a human life.that really gets into me. I'm a car guy too and also a rider. I know it sucks losing your rides but it's safe to say that all our friends would rather lose our rides just to see our buddy pulls thru. This incident really keeping a lot of us sleepless

I've read this entire thread and I don't see a single post like you claim. Everyone has been genuinely concerned about your friend's well being and the only negative sounding posts have been yours.

[StylinRed]

Heard from a friend that the fellow rider is in ICU with 3rd degree burns.
From what I have heard, he is a well respected mature rider and the accident was an accident and he wasn't carrying a gas can in his lap.
There is even a chance he is a fellow RS member.

really?! wow wtf, i must have seen/heard wrong but i thought they showed the rider walking around with his shirt off, seemingly okay just shooken, i thought he was largely okay...wow, i hope he pulls through

[DKaz]

Hope the rider is ok. I have to speculate that his bike slid out well before the GTI and caught fire for some reason, with parts of the burning bike landing underneath the GTI. This could explain why the rider survived the crash as riders tend to survive slide outs and not crashing into stationary objects. It definitely seems like fuel was involved and fuel tanks don't tend to rupture, but his bike did split in two. Edit: saw a photo of the burnt bike intact.

Wishing the rider the fullest recovery possible. It's unfortunate he got burned in the process. I hate hearing of a fellow rider down. As for the GTI, they will give you asking value for a similar GTI, regardless of what you paid for it. ICBC has given me $2200 for a car I only paid $900 for.

[flagella]

So what exactly happened though? He was riding and suddenly the bike started burning? Or did he hit the back of the car? Guess he'll just have to be questioned after his recovery.

[Soundy]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car.
I'm guessing Ed does... just maybe....

:seriously: :fulloffuck:

[Hot Karl]

as a fellow vw owner i am genuinely sad for you and your car. 19k on a 2011? my buddy works at clarkdale so i see some random gems and such but that's pretty nuts.

heavy burns is a terrible thing to endure. hopefully that dude gets better.

[underscore]

I'm guessing Ed does... just maybe....

:seriously: :fulloffuck:

Exactly, I mean what happened to the rider is terrible, it really is, but Ed's car did burn to the ground through no fault of his own. Just because what happened to the rider is worse doesn't mean that what happened to the GTI no longer matters.

[Traum]

Sucks that the OP lost his car and is losing $$$ because of the incident as well. But cars can be replaced, and money can be made again. Human lives, however, are much more fragile, and burns are just about the worst kind of injuries a person can suffer from.

I don't personally know the rider, but I certainly know of him. I hope he makes a speedy recovery, and more important than that, I hope it'll be as minimally painful as possible.

[DKaz]

So what exactly happened though? He was riding and suddenly the bike started burning? Or did he hit the back of the car? Guess he'll just have to be questioned after his recovery.

He probably slid out before the GTI. There is no collision damage on the GTI.

Sliding out is not rare, most motorcyclists will have slid out at least once. A fire of that intensity however is not.

[?NR]

Rider is a family man with a young child, a friend and fellow rider. Best wishes and speedy recovery. He's a car guy as well. I heard he's in pretty serious condition with 70% burns to body. Ed, sorry about your car. You will find a good replacement in time. Terrible freak of an accident. What a shame.

[Traum]

Shxt... 70% burns to body... I did some googling just now, and the only credible stats I can find is ~50% survival rate for those with 80% burns. :(

[SumAznGuy]

He probably slid out before the GTI. There is no collision damage on the GTI.

Sliding out is not rare, most motorcyclists will have slid out at least once. A fire of that intensity however is not.

That makes the most sense actually. For a good chunk of time, I was trying to figure out how he could have crashed into the back of the GTi and have the bike land where it was.
Bike catching on fire and the rider laid the bike down in an effort to get off the burning bike makes perfect sense.

3rd degree burns to 70% of his body is very serious.
Hope the fellow rider pulls through.

I wonder if he was wearing leathers that day or just regular street clothing.

[Ronin]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car. Rider is a friend of mine he is a nice person and he is a mature rider . It's a freak accident that bike burst in flames and even rarer that the rider catches on fire. From the looks of the impact he couldn't have been going fast. Forks not bent to shit and back of your car isn't even dented. I hope he pulls thru.

Hey man, no one said we don't care about the rider but I know how these things get and I've been getting my info on the down low. I know his name, which hospital he's at and how he's doing.

As far as I know, the media doesn't have this yet and the last thing the family needs is people shoving mics in their face. I'm not family. I'm not law enforcement or a doctor. I'm just butting out and minding my own business until the dude is out of danger.

But c'mon...I thought a car community would get it. Yes, it isn't lost on me that my day could've been a lot worse but dude, my day yesterday sucked balls too. Just because it wasn't a 10 on the suck scale doesn't mean you would've want see something you love burn to the ground and then have to call a zillion robots to press one for English.

Also, a co-worker of mine sent me some dashcam footage. They were parked a couple cars ahead of the Halloween Pumpkin Scion special and although you can't see what happens that causes the impact, you do see a lot.

I will be taking it to the police on Monday. I will not be uploading this anywhere as I don't think the Internet needs to watch this but it does shed a little light on what happened. It's seriously scary to watch.

1. You hear VROOM...VROOM...sounds like a downshift. I don't know bikes too well but I hear VROOM VROOM just before the crash.

2. HARD impact on the back of my car. Bike bounces off my car, skids on the road to it's position in the middle of the road.

3. Fuel sprays everywhere. There isn't a fire before impact but there is visible liquid spray on impact.

4. A second after impact, liquid lights on fire. Especially near the bike, which is a massive fireball.

5. Rider was definitely on the bike on impact and was still on the bike when it slid to the middle of the road. Rider gets off his bike, on fire, runs into the bushes. Emerges from the bushes a few seconds later, still on fire, tosses helmet, starts stripping and jumps back into the bushes. Still on fire.

By now, other people are arriving and helping him out. I'm sure the family doesn't need this video out there. Only me and my friend have the video and I'll be calling the officer that gave me his card.

[Ronin]

He probably slid out before the GTI. There is no collision damage on the GTI.

Sliding out is not rare, most motorcyclists will have slid out at least once. A fire of that intensity however is not.

There was actually a big impact on my rear driver side bumper but it was the first spot to burn so it isn't immediately evident.

Just drove by and damm. Out of all the cars, why didn't he hit the pumpkin car in front.

There are a few nice cars on our block. There's a rally blue WRX, a gunmetal focus RS, a really nice clean white RSX...

...but then everyday stuff from SR and Fast Track rolls by...

[Ronin]

Related question: is stop, drop and roll effective in a situation where you're covered in burning fuel?

Or is that just something children of the 80s like me were told...like hiding under your desk during an earthquake or nuclear explosion...

[meme405]

Seriously. Who the fuck cares about your car. Rider is a friend of mine he is a nice person and he is a mature rider . It's a freak accident that bike burst in flames and even rarer that the rider catches on fire. From the looks of the impact he couldn't have been going fast. Forks not bent to shit and back of your car isn't even dented. I hope he pulls thru.

Seriously dude? I'm sorry about your friend, but atleast read through the thread before you blindly make retarded assumptions.

There is 25 posts on each page of this 4.5 page thread, and just on the first page there is all these responses wishing the rider a quick recovery:

what happened to the biker?

Is the bike guy ok?

Hope the biker is okay.

yikes, hopefully the guy is okay.

Hope the biker recovers fully and you get paid out nicely for your car.

I hope the rider gets a speedy recovery

Wait the rider was seriously burnt? Assuming his bike landed like that and wasn't moved you have to wonder how he wasn't thrown clear of the flames... Unless he was on fire when he hit your car, which would explain how both caught on fire... I don't even...


RS Cares bro. So quit villainizing the community.

[Mr.Money]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FmvwMY1MkHg/U_JIQQG9yGI/AAAAAAAAXkE/oiFcGEtSQwI/s1600/You%2Bdense%2Bmotherfucker.jpg

[Manic!]

Related question: is stop, drop and roll effective in a situation where you're covered in burning fuel?

Or is that just something children of the 80s like me were told...like hiding under your desk during an earthquake or nuclear explosion...

They still teach Stop Drop and Roll today because it works. Fuel will not burn without oxygen.

[originalhypa]

RS Cares bro. So quit villainizing the community.

Werd.
Just think, this guy had plans for the weekend, then shit happened. It goes to show, you never know what fate has in store for you.

I just hope he pulls through and becomes a stronger person after all this.

[archarmy]

sorry for your gti and i hope the rider who is one of my best friends pull thur.he is a very nice guy. im so sad

[SoNaRWaVe]

1. You hear VROOM...VROOM...sounds like a downshift. I don't know bikes too well but I hear VROOM VROOM just before the crash.

2. HARD impact on the back of my car. Bike bounces off my car, skids on the road to it's position in the middle of the road.

3. Fuel sprays everywhere. There isn't a fire before impact but there is visible liquid spray on impact.

4. A second after impact, liquid lights on fire. Especially near the bike, which is a massive fireball.

5. Rider was definitely on the bike on impact and was still on the bike when it slid to the middle of the road. Rider gets off his bike, on fire, runs into the bushes. Emerges from the bushes a few seconds later, still on fire, tosses helmet, starts stripping and jumps back into the bushes. Still on fire.

By now, other people are arriving and helping him out. I'm sure the family doesn't need this video out there. Only me and my friend have the video and I'll be calling the officer that gave me his card.

if you heard vroom vroom before impact and it sounds louder, then most likely it is a downshift. but when you panic, it could also be an acceleration when you are trying to pull in the front brakes (bad hand positioning on throttle).

but i would imagine it is a downshift to try and quickly brake as much and as fast as you can when you see an object you are about to crash into. possibly lost control of the bike somehow on that road before he hit into your car.

[Manic!]

sorry for your gti and i hope the rider who is one of my best friends pull thur.he is a very nice guy. im so sad

Everyone here on RS hopes he pulls through too.

[Tegra_Devil]

so thats what u look like....saw it on the news

[KO7]

As a former rider who hung up the helmet and gloves after lowsiding at 120km/hr: I definitely feel for the rider and wish him the best possible recovery.

As a current white GTI owner myself: That sucks Ed, hope ICBC gives you fair value.
Also, is my white GTI cursed too like the others here? :/

[Qmx323]

As terrible as it is what happened to the rider and I hope he pulls through and recovers well.

I can't believe people would nitpick on how OP worded his tweet and even give HIM shit on Facebook for something that he literally had no input on....

Like, you people aren't trained EMTs or burn specialists, you weren't even there... I bet half the people that are giving Ed a hard time would just whip out there phones and record shit. OP did all that he COULD do as everything that could have been done was done already.

I apologize if my post seems insensitive to the rider, that was not the intent of this post, I cannot stress that enough.

[Ronin]

Police just dropped by my office to pick up the dashcam footage.

Officer had a red Power Rangers flash drive :lol

[Eff-1]

In case anyone is curious...

METRO VANCOUVER — A motorcyclist who slammed into a parked car Friday morning on Shell Road in Richmond is expected to face a long recovery after sustaining severe burns.

Cpl. Dennis Hwang of the Richmond RCMP said the incident, which happened in broad day light, shortly after 9 a.m. in the 2500 block of Shell Road, may be a result of speeding.

The 2015 KTM racing motorcycle burst into flames when the fuel tank was compromised. Notably, no one else was reported injured.

"The male in his 30s was brought to a local area hospital with extensive injuries due to fire. He is expected to recover but it will be a long recovery process," said Hwang.

Alcohol not believed to be a factor and the Integrated Collision Analysis and Reconstruction Service (ICARS) is on the case, said Hwang.

"We're thankfully to anyone who was able to render assistance," said Hwang.

Richmond motorcyclist faces long recovery from burns after hitting parked car (http://www.vancouversun.com/Richmond+motorcyclist+faces+long+recovery+from+bur ns+after+hitting+parked/11281917/story.html#ixzz3iXR5diHN)

[entrax]

In case anyone is curious...



Richmond motorcyclist faces long recovery from burns after hitting parked car (http://www.vancouversun.com/Richmond+motorcyclist+faces+long+recovery+from+bur ns+after+hitting+parked/11281917/story.html#ixzz3iXR5diHN)

as someone who's had to have large patches of skin burnt enough to require new skin to form from scratch, it's definitely a permanent life changer. I hope he gets the care needed at home and at the hospital. I definitely needed help to walk, sit up, eat, etc. (skin's ability to stretch is something I learned to appreciate) so I hope someone's gonna be around him literally every minute for the next couple months for emotional and practical support.

[The_AK]

I feel like ICBC will announce this 50/50 fault

[Mikoyan]

Back when I did a lot more First Aid work and training, I learned about the Rule of Nine to quickly estimate the amount of surface area affected for an adult body.

You can divide up the body into 11 zones that roughly equate to 9% for each zone. Arms 1 zone each, Legs 2 zones each, torso 4 zones, head 1 zone.

If that 70% number is accurate. to give you an idea of how much surface area that is, that roughly equates to 8 zones. Both sides of the entire torso, both arms, and both legs down to the knees for example.

It puts the severity of the injuries in a way that's more understandable than just numbers.

I hope he's got all the support he needs for his recovery.

[Mike.L]

2015 bike, sounds like he may have been a new rider this summer.

[SumAznGuy]

2015 bike, sounds like he may have been a new rider this summer.

So if you have a Ford model T, does that make you 1000 years old and your name is C.M. Burns? :rukidding:

[CharlieH]

2015 bike, sounds like he may have been a new rider this summer.


Sound logic. Valentino Rossi is riding a 2015 M1 this year, he must be new too. Ass.

[TypeRNammer]

2015 bike, sounds like he may have been a new rider this summer.

Do people even read through the god damn thread?

Rider is a family man with a young child, a friend and fellow rider. Best wishes and speedy recovery. He's a car guy as well. I heard he's in pretty serious condition with 70% burns to body. Ed, sorry about your car. You will find a good replacement in time. Terrible freak of an accident. What a shame.

Heard from a friend that the fellow rider is in ICU with 3rd degree burns.
From what I have heard, he is a well respected mature rider and the accident was an accident and he wasn't carrying a gas can in his lap.
There is even a chance he is a fellow RS member.

This is the information I got from reading the whole thread.

The rider is a fmaily man as well as a repsected mature rider, from what RS User SumAznGuy heard.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm not trying to put the guy down obviously, I am genuinely wondering - under what circumstances does a sober person riding a motorcycle crash into a parked car in broad daylight? To the point where the bike breaks apart (fire notwithstanding - that could happen under strange many circumstances)

I'm not a motorcyclist, so I have no idea how this can happen if the rider is being 'mature' and riding within reason.

Maybe someone can clear this up for me...

[radioman]

Bike could have had a mechanical problem.

Could have set a flame before it hit the car.

Tire could have punctured.

Maybe he got stung by a bee in his eye.

There's so many things that could have happened.

[SkinnyPupp]

Bike could have had a mechanical problem.

Could have set a flame before it hit the car.

Tire could have punctured.

Maybe he got stung by a bee in his eye.

There's so many things that could have happened.
Under any circumstance I don't see how he was going any less than like 80 KM/h

[heleu]

I'm not trying to put the guy down obviously, I am genuinely wondering - under what circumstances does a sober person riding a motorcycle crash into a parked car in broad daylight? To the point where the bike breaks apart (fire notwithstanding - that could happen under strange many circumstances)

I'm not a motorcyclist, so I have no idea how this can happen if the rider is being 'mature' and riding within reason.

Maybe someone can clear this up for me...

When I lowsided my motorcycle at 60km/hr 10 years ago, I clearly remember a puddle of gasoline that the fireman had to clean up (nothing was on fire; they threw sand on it to soak up the liquid and then shovelled it away).

I didn't hit anything else, and when I inspected my bike after the accident, nothing was broken except for the fairings and a scratched crank cover. I'm pretty sure the gas just probably just leaked out the top of my tank at the fillhole.

If the bike actually hit a car, there could be lots of ways for the bike to break apart and leak gasoline everywhere. The fuel tank is completely exposed afterall.

Anyways, hope the rider pulls through.

[radioman]

Under any circumstance I don't see how he was going any less than like 80 KM/h

On a 1200 Duke thats a few seconds on the throttle. Can't say I've never opened up a little on the road for just a short few seconds.

Now imagine while doing that something extremely unfortunate happens.

[trollguy]

Under any circumstance I don't see how he was going any less than like 80 KM/h

i may have missed your reasoning but why not?

[SumAznGuy]

When I lowsided my motorcycle at 60km/hr 10 years ago, I clearly remember a puddle of gasoline that the fireman had to clean up (nothing was on fire

Not sure about all bikes, but on my 07 CBR600RR, I dropped it once in the parking lot. I accidentally grabbed too much front brake.
When I brought the bike back up, gasoline came out of one of the drain tubes.

Good thing my bike is neked and has sliders so no damage.

[SkinnyPupp]

i may have missed your reasoning but why not?
My bad, I thought there was more collision damage. I thought the bike was broken apart, and the car was smashed. It looks like all the damage was due to the fire. Also the RCMP said speed "may" have been involved, so I took that into account.

Looking back at what evidence is available to me, there's no reason to conclude that speed was involved. RCMP may have more evidence though, and they did say that speed "may have" been involved. Looking at the pictures, it all looks like fire damage... So I guess it could have been a 'lowside' as others described (this is the type of thing I was looking for as a non rider, thanks)

Also according to a comment left on global by one of the people assisting the guy, he said he hit a rock.

The whole thing kind of sucks :(

[320icar]

Gas coming out of a dropped bike is very common. Whether it's from the tank vent system, or overflow of the carbs getting tipped over. It only take a tiny bit of fuel to get a bike aflame. Of course it sounds like in this case the tank must have been ruptured to cover the rider in fuel

Edit: skinnypup, go look on global or cbc or any news site. 99.999% they put speed as a factor with motorcycles. It's just a bullshit blanket term

[Mike.L]

Sound logic. Valentino Rossi is riding a 2015 M1 this year, he must be new too. Ass.

Ok, sorry I meant to say 2015 brand new bike and a 300CC class bike.

Lets not bring professional riders into this, we are talking about the average rider.

[bcedhk]

lolwut ^

Year and engine output is a hard tell on who is a season rider or not.

[Ronin]

Ok, sorry I meant to say 2015 brand new bike and a 300CC class bike.

Lets not bring professional riders into this, we are talking about the average rider.

Or you could just be making wild assumptions about something without reading any of the thread...

I don't see why having a new bike makes you a new rider. People around here buy new cars all the time. I'll be buying a new car soon...I guess that means I don't have 15 years driving experience.

[Mike.L]

Or you could just be making wild assumptions about something without reading any of the thread...

I don't see why having a new bike makes you a new rider. People around here buy new cars all the time. I'll be buying a new car soon...I guess that means I don't have 15 years driving experience.

I said probably a new rider, it is just an assumption. 300CC class is what you would start with and it is what you are recommended with by friends and riding instructors. For an average seasoned rider, would not be enough.

[radioman]

I would suggest you stop posting in this thread.

[Ronin]

So what you're saying is you didn't read the thread because several people have identified him as an experienced motorcyclist...

[murd0c]

Related question: is stop, drop and roll effective in a situation where you're covered in burning fuel?

Or is that just something children of the 80s like me were told...like hiding under your desk during an earthquake or nuclear explosion...

Nope stop drop and roll doesn't work when you are covered in burning fuel. I tried that when I was in MOAB Utah and I ended up getting 3rd burns on my ankles and the first thing I did was stop drop and roll like most of us are aware of.

[Traum]

Nope stop drop and roll doesn't work when you are covered in burning fuel. I tried that when I was in MOAB Utah and I ended up getting 3rd burns on my ankles and the first thing I did was stop drop and roll like most of us are aware of.
If it doesn't work, then what are you supposed to do? Just sit there and turn yourself into a roast duck?

[trollguy]

I said probably a new rider, it is just an assumption. 300CC class is what you would start with and it is what you are recommended with by friends and riding instructors. For an average seasoned rider, would not be enough.

did someone mention in this thread that the bike was a KTM 1290?

[underscore]

Also the RCMP said speed "may" have been involved, so I took that into account.

Given that 99% of accidents require you to be moving for it to happen, speed is always a "factor" in an accident.

[Ronin]

did someone mention in this thread that the bike was a KTM 1290?

I'm tempted to just delete all his posts because they're so stupid.

[forcedot]

Known problem/recall? He's obviously not the first or last to have his KTM go up in flames on him


KTM Recalls 1290 Super Duke R Due To Potential Fire Leak | motorcycle News @ Top Speed (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/ktm-recalls-1290-super-duke-r-due-to-potential-fire-leak-ar170403.html)

Motorcyclist seriously injured in A272 crash, North Chailey (http://www.sussex.police.uk/whats-happening/latest/news-stories/2015/06/15/motorcyclist-seriously-injured-in-a272-crash,-north-chailey)

[SkinnyPupp]

Known problem/recall? He's obviously not the first or last to have his KTM go up in flames on him


KTM Recalls 1290 Super Duke R Due To Potential Fire Leak | motorcycle News @ Top Speed (http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/ktm-recalls-1290-super-duke-r-due-to-potential-fire-leak-ar170403.html)

Motorcyclist seriously injured in A272 crash, North Chailey (http://www.sussex.police.uk/whats-happening/latest/news-stories/2015/06/15/motorcyclist-seriously-injured-in-a272-crash,-north-chailey)


That was a year ago though, presumably he brought it in to get it fixed

[Lomac]

Nope stop drop and roll doesn't work when you are covered in burning fuel. I tried that when I was in MOAB Utah and I ended up getting 3rd burns on my ankles and the first thing I did was stop drop and roll like most of us are aware of.

Technically it will still work, but it requires far more effort. As far as I can remember from first aid class, the best trick is to use a fire retardant blanket if it's available (or a natural fibre one).

[320icar]

Good thing I always carry my fire retardant blanket with me.


That was sarcasm, since I guess we're saying it now /archer

[Lomac]

Good thing I always carry my fire retardant blanket with me.


That was sarcasm, since I guess we're saying it now /archer

Industrial First Aid training. Didn't say it translated very well to biking... :p

[RRxtar]

I'm tempted to just delete all his posts because they're so stupid.
someone should ban him for having my first name, last initial, and location

[Lomac]

I said probably a new rider, it is just an assumption. 300CC class is what you would start with and it is what you are recommended with by friends and riding instructors. For an average seasoned rider, would not be enough.

1300cc, not 300...

180ish hp. That's more than my daily driver car.

Might want to read the thread.

[CharlieH]

Ok, sorry I meant to say 2015 brand new bike and a 300CC class bike.

Lets not bring professional riders into this, we are talking about the average rider.

after reading everyone else's posts im just gonna shut up because i have a feeling you've realized it's a 1290 superduke r lol

[Vale46Rossi]

I said probably a new rider, it is just an assumption. 300CC class is what you would start with and it is what you are recommended with by friends and riding instructors. For an average seasoned rider, would not be enough.


I didn't want to say this but... Can you just shut the fuck up and have a little respect?

This guy is a father, has a very young daughter and he is a friend of a lot of us.

If you couldn't comprehend what other people have already said, he is a great and respectable rider who is very safe on the road and he is not your average kid on a liter bike not knowing what to do.

he is a great rider and he is very mature, he actually commits on tracking with a group of us and takes his speed out there.

From what we know right now it's a freak accident, and we are all rooting for him, cars can be fixed and replaced but life cannot.

It's why this is called an accident... shit happens.

Just have some respect.

[underscore]

Good thing I always carry my fire retardant blanket with me.

I might be wrong but I think the takeaway is that smothering the fire with anything will work better than rolling when it comes to a gas fire.

[320icar]

Lol yes thank you. I also learned that in level 2 first aid. If a bystander was brave and fast enough to throw their shirt or jacket on them (leather, cotton etc) not something like a track suit, they could help smother the flames.

Stop drop and roll works great for if you or your clothes catch fire the old fashioned way. But if you are doused in a peopellant such as gasoline, not much you can do. Get naked as fast as possible, roll around in the dirt and pray to God

[Ducdesmo]

I know and ridden with the guy too. Definitely a good responsible rider and very nice guy to top it off. Hope he recovers well. Cars and bikes are just material things.

[Ronin]

Picked up my new car on the weekend...2012 GTI. Also white.

After all's done, this whole thing probably cost me $1500-2000. :(

[MikeHB]

Any update on the riders recovery? Hope it went/is going well.

[Vale46Rossi]

Any update on the riders recovery? Hope it went/is going well.

Rider has waken up since then, but his whole body is being sedated, from what I have heard from friends and family he is slowly recovering and he has a long journey of recovery.

[Ronin]

Rider has waken up since then, but his whole body is being sedated, from what I have heard from friends and family he is slowly recovering and he has a long journey of recovery.

Oh good, I was just about to ask someone. I don't know the rider so getting info isn't easy.

So he's out of the coma? What's the outlook like?

[Phil@rise]

A very good friend of mine sustained mixed first to third degree burns to 90% of his body about a decade ago. The worst of the burns to his lower body his junk was good and his face due to quick action jumping into the water, the rest crispy (he was on his boat at a fuel dock ). It was a terribly long recovery for him I wouldnt wish such injures on anyone. My heart goes out to the guy and his family/friends.

[Lomac]

A very good friend of mine sustained mixed first to third degree burns to 90% of his body about a decade ago. The worst of the burns to his lower body his junk was good and his face due to quick action jumping into the water, the rest crispy (he was on his boat at a fuel dock ). It was a terribly long recovery for him I wouldnt wish such injures on anyone. My heart goes out to the guy and his family/friends.

My brother received 2nd and 3rd degree burns to about 70% of his body after he thought it would be a good idea to throw a can of WD40 into a campfire.

:rolleyes:

He had a hella long recovery and it was painful seeing him in such a state. I, too, wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[Lomac]

Picked up my new car on the weekend...2012 GTI. Also white.

After all's done, this whole thing probably cost me $1500-2000. :(

What was the cause for the extra expense? And ever find out why ICBC held out so long before they approved the claim?

[Ronin]

Basically I got enough to pay for the car and APR tune. The previous owner fucked up the wheels...like severe scratching so they discounted me the amount of the wheels. I already agreed to buy new ones so I'll need new rubber too.

I bought an intake the first time off Craigslist so that isn't covered, nor are my LED taillights. Bought new ones...about $350 for the tails and $400 for the intake.

And I'll probably get the car detailed soon. There's a paint chip on the trunk so I was hoping to get that done first.

After everything, to get a car somewhat similar to what I had before, it'll cost me roughly $2k.

[Ronin]

Oh and the delay was a combination of ICBC, RCMP and lawyers for everyone being incompetent.