[lancer.evo]

Hello, the reason of this post is because I have reason to believe that a member of the RCMP based out of Surrey, BC is wrongfully discriminating against vehicles with various levels of modifications. This is due to the fact that myself and two other people that a friend knows have all gotten a VI from this officer in question and there was nothing visibly wrong with my vehicle. It does however have visual modifications done to it. The other vehicle in question was a 2010 Lexus with visual modifications. The reason the police offbeat said he was issuing me a VI is because he said the tires have the potential to rub on my fender liners even though I cut my fender liners out on the top of them.

I currently work in northern Alberta but go home to the lower mainland on days off which is a 15 on 6 off schedule. The vehicle I use to commute to and from Grande Prairie, AB is a 2001 Volkswagen Jetta TDI. I have upgraded the brakes, tires/wheels, and suspension partly because I am a car enthusiast but also due to the fact that there is lots of wildlife on the roads up north and because the roads themselves are kept in very poor condition. Having a vehicle that can maneuver around or brake in time for an 800 pound moose that walks out in front of you or a massive pothole is paramount to my safety and other road users safety. My car is kept exceptionally clean for its age cosmetically and mechanically and has no visual defects even though it has 300,000 km on it compared to an average 2001 Jetta.

I will be filing a complaint with the RCMP public complaints division in Surrey, BC on September 24, 2015. I would like to do some research to see if any of the revscene users on this forum or anyone you guys might know have had a vehicle inspection notice issued by Cst. SIDHU (#151704) from Surrey. I would like you to please contact me or post on the thread if you or someone you know that has a modified car have gotten pulled over and a box 1, 2, or 3 VI notice written out by this officer. I would like to stress that if you have gotten a VI when something is clearly visible to the police officer as you were driving down the road (headlight out, exhaust dragging, clearly visible bent wheel, busted tail light, etc.) then something like this an RCMP officer has full rights to issue you a VI. What I believe this RCMP officer is doing is seeing a modified vehicle that has aftermarket wheels/tires, coilovers, brake kits, etc. which is not illegal to install and due to the fact that it is visibly modified, issuing a VI.

The purpose of a vehicle inspection notice is to make sure a vehicle is mechanically safe and structurally sound. At a vehicle inspection checkpoint if vehicles roll through that have clearly unsafe issues that can be seen (see above) or vehicles getting selected at random being issued VI's that's one thing but to single out modified vehicles (*UP*graded and seldomly downgraded) falls into the category of discrimination.

In conclusion, I would like to find out if this officer is in fact doing this by the users in this forum helping me out and if so I will be going public to the media with my story as well as requesting an audit be done on the officer in question in regards to this matter to see if discriminative behaviour is the case.

Thank you for your time, happy motoring, and good luck with your builds/projects.

[bcedhk]

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/didnt-read-lol-dancing-bodybuilder.gif

[bluejays]

How about you tell us what you got a VI for?

[SoulCrusher]

So did you want us to proof read your statement before you read it to a judge?

[68style]

That number probably isn't correct, a police officers reg# is 5 digits not 6

[68style]

Would you be the same Jamie Reddick trying to rationalize learning car control by practicing on "empty" streets way back when in the comments on this article? Lol

Chilliwack RCMP ticket young street racers and impound their vehicles - Chilliwack Times (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/250695711.html?mobile=true)

If so, and that's your white Jetta with the gold wheels on your profile, it's pretty obvious why you got a VI... You've got absolutely no wheel gap and your wheels+tires protrude outside of the fender housings. I'm no rocket scientist but that's pretty textbook VI material.

[Lomac]

What I believe this RCMP officer is doing is seeing a modified vehicle that has aftermarket wheels/tires, coilovers, brake kits, etc. which is not illegal to install and due to the fact that it is visibly modified, issuing a VI.

I'm not going to blast a cop for doing his/her job without saying a couple of quick things here:

1) Do you have any up to date photos of the car in question? I'm curious to see if there's anything we can spot that would have attracted a VI ticket. Loud exhaust? Front tint (legal in Alberta, not legal in BC)? Smoked lights or reflector plates taken out? Frame lower than the bottom of your rims? Weird rear camber?

2) Broadly speaking, most upgrades are legal. However, there are many wheels, suspension bits, brake kits, etc., that technically aren't legal and are deemed to be "off-road only." Though unlikely, you could have gotten unlucky and came across an officer that knows what brands are DOT/E-Code approved and which ones aren't. Or, it's also possible that you were simply singled out because the car was modified and the officer is trying out the pray and spray method.

Would really like to see a picture of the car and what the VI was for.

[Mr.Money]

were you the guy driving air bagg'd to the ground with sparks flying down the road because you welded a piece of steel on your cars rear end... :whistle: then quickly pulled over to the side,lifted up and said nothing was wrong.

[Lomac]

Would you be the same Jamie Reddick trying to rationalize learning car control by practicing on "empty" streets way back when in the comments on this article? Lol

Chilliwack RCMP ticket young street racers and impound their vehicles - Chilliwack Times (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/250695711.html?mobile=true)

If so, and that's your white Jetta with the gold wheels on your profile, it's pretty obvious why you got a VI... You've got absolutely no wheel gap whatsoever and the wheels protrude outside of the fender housings. I'm no rocket scientist but that's pretty textbook VI material.

Aaah, the age of linking everything to Facebook and leaving it all open to the public. :lol

If this is how your car currently looks:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/10402670_10152082105412805_394265519022949802_n.jp g?oh=c1183968860c1f05caf2c004c7c659c8&oe=563D69B9

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/969372_10151466248507805_1009205100_n.jpg?oh=7704b c6c8cb8698d1012e7bc2d518166&oe=567C42C0

...then, yes, the VI was justified completely. Also, your headlight housings are tinted. True, not the reflector portion, but I believe it's still illegal to modify them.

[Timpo]

Tinted taillights would be bad idea. Somebody on this forum said that ICBC can deny your claim if you get rear ended.

Having said that, I do think cops like to target nicely modified cars. If they are actually concerned about road safety, they should be pulling over beaters. Yes, I am being absolutely serious. Go drive one if you haven't.

[68style]

^Flaw of that argument is how do you know they don't pull them over? You're just making an assumption.

I've got a lowered car with custom rims and other mods too... I mad sure I left a 2 finger gap... but I wouldn't be surprised if I get pulled one day. Gotta pay to play chumpskies!

[tiger_handheld]

Revscene wins again.

I wish i could put money on rs on a weekly basis, i'd have a nice car by now.

[Timpo]

^Flaw of that argument is how do you know they don't pull them over? You're just making an assumption.

I've got a lowered car with custom rims and other mods too... But I left a 2 finger gap... And wouldn't be surprised if I get pulled one day. Gotta pay to play chumpskies!No I'm not.
Try go through a road block with these 2 cars.
Although I've only seen few scenarios, I can tell you that car #2 will most likely get harassed by police.

Cops are human too, if you have a nice car, they will make an assumption that you're street racer.
If you drive a beater, you can't go fast = safe driver.

Car #1
rust
poorly maintained engine
brakes metal to metal
burning oil
bold tires
off alignment
does not drive straight
needs overhaul
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CC-171-050-800.jpg

Car #2
upgraded brakes
upgraded exhaust, engine
very well maintained, babied in garage
no problem whatsoever
runs straight
does not burn oil
https://zneku.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/mk4.jpg

[68style]

You're still making assumptions unless you interview everyone who drives a beater and ask them if they ever got harassed.

Most cops aren't car guys, they're only going to notice people who are trying to be noticed. Mission accomplished? I don't even know what you're arguing about, the laws are black and white and it's a choice whether you follow them or not. I choose not to follow them all (ie: speeding and some borderline mods) and accept the risk that comes with it. Man up and take responsibility for your actions instead of crying like a 4th grader about unfair treatment and how come Bobby Nomoney with the rusty Corolla also didn't get the same booboo from mean old officer hatesmods

Maybe there should be stricter enforcement zero tolerance policies all around and every car should get immediately impounded for any infractions and roadside inspections should be administered to make it fair for everyone. Is that what you want? Doubt it.

[320icar]

I disagree. Locally I'd say most cops ARE car guys (or fellow riders)

[noclue]

Your jetta is pretty clean, I think constable sidhu is a car enthusiast himself to spot all the VI items on your car.

Cops just don't write VI for fun unless you provoke them.... which judging from your facebook rants you probably did.

Also the argument that you need mods to dodge a moose... really now

[Timpo]

You're still making assumptions unless you interview everyone who drives a beater and ask them if they ever got harassed.

Most cops aren't car guys, they're only going to notice people who are trying to be noticed. Mission accomplished? I don't even know what you're arguing about, the laws are black and white and it's a choice whether you follow them or not. I choose not to follow them all (ie: speeding and some borderline mods) and accept the risk that comes with it. Man up and take responsibility for your actions instead of crying like a 4th grader about unfair treatment and how come Bobby Nomoney with the rusty Corolla also didn't get the same booboo from mean old officer hatesmods

Maybe there should be stricter enforcement zero tolerance policies all around and every car should get immediately impounded for any infractions and roadside inspections should be administered to make it fair for everyone. Is that what you want? Doubt it.

It's not just you, but I am kind of getting sick of this Revscene trend whenever people ask for advice, you guys all walk all over him and say "You broke the law, man up and pay up" kind of thing as if you guys are angles who have never made mistakes or broke the law.
(Although in this case, you did admit that you took a chance for speeding and stuff)

Law is black and white, yea sure, it can be. However it's not that simple.
Is killing a person against the law? Yes, however it's all case by case. That's why we have judge, lawyer, and have all the legal system to find out what exactly happened because exceptions can be made. Sometimes people who killed someone can be judged innocent depending on circumstances.

Speeding is illegal, so cops can virtually pull over 100% of drivers on the road and give out speeding tickets.
However last time I got a speeding ticket, I think I was going something like 77km/h, but the cop straight up told me that "I found that average speed of this road to be 65km/h or so, so that was faster than the traffic flow, but I will give you a break and give you $138 instead of $196 ticket" which I didn't argue about.

Some cops do make everything black and white, will pull you over as soon as you go over 50km/h, but some cops are quite reasonable too.

You think we need stricter regulation for this?
So if you see someone with anything that's not stock, you get a VI?
15km/h over the speed limit, immediate impound and $1,000 fine?

If you look at the stats, the most dangerous behavior on the road is DUI, followed by texting, lack of experience, distractions, bad physical condition, etc. Street Racing is dangerous but the overall death number is low because we have sooo much more DUI drivers than Street Racers on the road.
OP had coilovers and aftermarket rims, that mod looks kind of subtle to me and if he had a question about it, he can just post here like he did.
If he wants to file a complaint to RCMP, he has a right to do so.

I'm not trying to justify illegal behavior, if he broke the law, well I guess technically speaking the VI is justified. Even with burnt light bulb.
But I am just getting sick of this Revscene trend every time when people ask something, we all go like "you broke the law and man up" like if we were judge/cops ourselves.
I do get what you're saying though. Unfair treatment by the police? Sure, it does happen. But the world is unfair and some people need to grow up too.

[Akinari]

It's not just you, but I am kind of getting sick of this Revscene trend whenever people ask for advice, you guys all walk all over him and say "You broke the law, man up and pay up" kind of thing as if you guys are angles who have never made mistakes or broke the law.
(Although in this case, you did admit that you took a chance for speeding and stuff)

Law is black and white, yea sure, it can be. However it's not that simple.
Is killing a person against the law? Yes, however it's all case by case. That's why we have judge, lawyer, and have all the legal system to find out what exactly happened because exceptions can be made. Sometimes people who killed someone can be judged innocent depending on circumstances.

Speeding is illegal, so cops can virtually pull over 100% of drivers on the road and give out speeding tickets.
However last time I got a speeding ticket, I think I was going something like 77km/h, but the cop straight up told me that "I found that average speed of this road to be 65km/h or so, so that was faster than the traffic flow, but I will give you a break and give you $138 instead of $196 ticket" which I didn't argue about.

Some cops do make everything black and white, will pull you over as soon as you go over 50km/h, but some cops are quite reasonable too.

You think we need stricter regulation for this?
So if you see someone with anything that's not stock, you get a VI?
15km/h over the speed limit, immediate impound and $1,000 fine?

If you look at the stats, the most dangerous behavior on the road is DUI, followed by texting, lack of experience, distractions, bad physical condition, etc. Street Racing is dangerous but the overall death number is low because we have sooo much more DUI drivers than Street Racers on the road.
OP had coilovers and aftermarket rims, that mod looks kind of subtle to me and if he had a question about it, he can just post here like he did.
If he wants to file a complaint to RCMP, he has a right to do so.

I'm not trying to justify illegal behavior, if he broke the law, well I guess technically speaking the VI is justified. Even with burnt light bulb.
But I am just getting sick of this Revscene trend every time when people ask something, we all go like "you broke the law and man up" like if we were judge/cops ourselves.
I do get what you're saying though. Unfair treatment by the police? Sure, it does happen. But the world is unfair and some people need to grow up too.
This post gave me cancer. I don't think I've ever read a post where someone contradicted themselves so much within one single post :lawl:

I am kind of getting sick of this Revscene trend whenever people ask for advice, you guys all walk all over him and say "You broke the law, man up and pay up" kind of thing as if you guys are angles who have never made mistakes or broke the law.

(Although in this case, you did admit that you took a chance for speeding and stuff)

Speeding is illegal, so cops can virtually pull over 100% of drivers on the road and give out speeding tickets.

However last time I got a speeding ticket, I think I was going something like 77km/h, but the cop straight up told me that "I found that average speed of this road to be 65km/h or so, so that was faster than the traffic flow, but I will give you a break and give you $138 instead of $196 ticket" which I didn't argue about.

I'm not trying to justify illegal behavior

if he broke the law, well I guess technically speaking the VI is justified

Unfair treatment by the police? Sure, it does happen.

But the world is unfair and some people need to grow up too.

In fear of being bashed by RS, Timpo, initially trying to defend OP by calling out RS for being mean and that the police can be unfair, concludes his post by saying OP should grow up. :facepalm:

Typical Timpost.

[BoostedBB6]

All of the vehicles you are referring to are all slammed beyond the legal allowance. Not to mention they all have wheels that do not fit correctly and leave a very small portion of there tread in contact with the pavement.

Your wasting your time. If you don't want tickets then don't slam the car or stance it out or ride on bags. I have seen and know all 3 peoples cars your referring to and it was only a matter of time before you guys got hit with VI's.

Perhaps a better solution is to in fact READ these laws you guys think your not breaking. Build your argument off of fact and not "he pulled me and 2 of my friends over and I dont like that"....sadly you will find out that many modifications performed to cars on here are illegal and not allowed.

Your VW does not meet the regulations for lighting seeing as you have tinted lenses/housings and non-DOT/SAE/TUV approved lighting on the vehicle.

[BoostedBB6]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11222953_10152968538832727_5250573324199624451_n.j pg?oh=f43db41f0165a5702708a0601c228450&oe=5640BC3F
Lexus

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11693804_10152968538912727_306109845322511356_n.jp g?oh=40fe4e4c980f6cf449a99f513c49250b&oe=567CC3B5
Bagged Civic

[68style]

It's 7am and I've already had my daily dose of hypocrisy.... Timpo of all people ranting about other people posting in annoying themes... Wow

[SkinnyPupp]

Best first post in a long time :thumbs:

[bluejays]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11222953_10152968538832727_5250573324199624451_n.j pg?oh=f43db41f0165a5702708a0601c228450&oe=5640BC3F
Lexus

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11693804_10152968538912727_306109845322511356_n.jp g?oh=40fe4e4c980f6cf449a99f513c49250b&oe=567CC3B5
Bagged Civic

Seriously wondered what took that Lexus so long to get a VI. I used to see this guy on my way home from work for the past 3 years and his ride height has never changed.

[originalhypa]

I've had so many cars pulled off the road in the last 23 years that you begin to learn what you can and can't get away with.

Cowboy cops have always been a problem in our scene. Does anyone remember that asshole "white knight"?

He would come to meets and check out our cars up close. A week later you would get pulled over by him in Richmond and he would know every detail of your car. Mainly because you had bragged about Your new "moar low!" The week before.

I feel for you guys, but it's the same thing we used to deal with. The only thing that has changed is the names.

[cdizzle_996]

Would you be the same Jamie Reddick trying to rationalize learning car control by practicing on "empty" streets way back when in the comments on this article? Lol

Chilliwack RCMP ticket young street racers and impound their vehicles - Chilliwack Times (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/250695711.html?mobile=true)

If so, and that's your white Jetta with the gold wheels on your profile, it's pretty obvious why you got a VI... You've got absolutely no wheel gap and your wheels+tires protrude outside of the fender housings. I'm no rocket scientist but that's pretty textbook VI material.

This is right outside my place of work.

I call the police on these donkies weekly.

[underscore]

I have reason to believe that a member of the RCMP based out of Surrey, BC is wrongfully discriminating against vehicles with various levels of modifications. This is due to the fact that myself and two other people that a friend knows have all gotten a VI from this officer in question and there was nothing visibly wrong with my vehicle. It does however have visual modifications done to it. The other vehicle in question was a 2010 Lexus with visual modifications.

I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone who bitches about a VI: did you and your friends go and pass inspections the next day with zero modification to your cars setup or not?

Unless the answer to that is yes (and I doubt it, since it never has been) then your VI was completely justified. If you and your friends continue having problems with the police I suggest you stop breaking the law, by all accounts it makes things a lot easier.

[- kT]

this thread delivers.

tbh though I can sort of appreciate what timpo was trying to get at (despite the contradictions), a lot of the time when people come asking for advice they know they've fucked up, they don't really need a lecture condemning them of such again

but with that being said, if you're going to break the law, you should be doing it with the knowledge that there is a very real possibility you'll get caught, and therefore should be prepared for the consequences, whatever that entails. if you don't want consequences, don't break the law. and if you don't want to get called on breaking the law, don't go on a public forum and post about it

[Soundy]

You're still making assumptions unless you interview everyone who drives a beater and ask them if they ever got harassed.
My first car was a 1980 Mazda GLC, fun little hatchback. All white with brown trim. And a few fair-sized rust spots on a couple fenders and the edge of the hatch. Never ever got hassled by the cops for it.

Then I painted over the rust spots with flat black rust paint... and I was getting stopped on a weekly basis, with cops going over everything on the roadside - lights, brakes, horn, etc. Everything worked perfectly, the car was in prime mechanical shape, so they'd always end up sending me on my way... but it was still annoying to get stopped all the time. They never even said anything about the rusty edges, so obviously it was the big black areas that were grabbing their attention.

So I grabbed a few more rattlecans of flat black, papered over the windows, and spray bombed the entire car... and voila, no more random stops.

So yeah, beaters do get stopped as well. Never whined about it - it was pretty obvious, with the big blobs of black paint, it really stood out and looked worse than it was.

All that shit Timpo listed for Car #1, none of it is obvious on the pic, so other than a little blue smoke (which is not unusual for a car of that age, and not a VI-worth thing anyway), there's nothing about it that screams to a passing cop, "Hey, this car is a death trap!"

Car #2, on the other hand, has obviously been modified. Are those mods legal? Are they safe? Are there other hidden things like major suspension changes that are illegal? Non-approved lighting? Missing reflectors? Only one way to be sure...

Either way, same thing applies: the cars that draw attention to themselves, get more heat. Don't like it, don't be so fucking obvious.

[Soundy]

this thread delivers.

tbh though I can sort of appreciate what timpo was trying to get at (despite the contradictions), a lot of the time when people come asking for advice they know they've fucked up, they don't really need a lecture condemning them of such again
Yeah, that's not the case with OP though. He's not looking for advice, he's looking for backup.

[meme405]

Good luck with that OP...

You're going to need it. :lawl:

[tiger_handheld]

I call the police on these donkies weekly.


Thanks for the morning LOLS! ... these donkies :)

[lancer.evo]

Would you be the same Jamie Reddick trying to rationalize learning car control by practicing on "empty" streets way back when in the comments on this article? Lol

Chilliwack RCMP ticket young street racers and impound their vehicles - Chilliwack Times (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/250695711.html?mobile=true)

If so, and that's your white Jetta with the gold wheels on your profile, it's pretty obvious why you got a VI... You've got absolutely no wheel gap and your wheels+tires protrude outside of the fender housings. I'm no rocket scientist but that's pretty textbook VI material.

Those are old pics from when it was lowered and things did rub I raised it up 50mm cause I drive in northern Alberta mostly and the roads are crap out here so ya I do have wheel gap and no my tyres don't stick out my my fenders FYI guy.

[lancer.evo]

I'm not going to blast a cop for doing his/her job without saying a couple of quick things here:

1) Do you have any up to date photos of the car in question? I'm curious to see if there's anything we can spot that would have attracted a VI ticket. Loud exhaust? Front tint (legal in Alberta, not legal in BC)? Smoked lights or reflector plates taken out? Frame lower than the bottom of your rims? Weird rear camber?

2) Broadly speaking, most upgrades are legal. However, there are many wheels, suspension bits, brake kits, etc., that technically aren't legal and are deemed to be "off-road only." Though unlikely, you could have gotten unlucky and came across an officer that knows what brands are DOT/E-Code approved and which ones aren't. Or, it's also possible that you were simply singled out because the car was modified and the officer is trying out the pray and spray method.

Would really like to see a picture of the car and what the VI was for.

I updated in my thread what the VI was for and if you search me up on FB there's pics of the car there just type in Jamie Reddick chilliwack and car looks exactly the same exception is its 50mm higher and no not a loud exhaust at all.

[lancer.evo]

Your jetta is pretty clean, I think constable sidhu is a car enthusiast himself to spot all the VI items on your car.

Cops just don't write VI for fun unless you provoke them.... which judging from your facebook rants you probably did.

Also the argument that you need mods to dodge a moose... really now


You've probably never driven up in the north part of the country eh???

[lancer.evo]

QAll of the vehicles you are referring to are all slammed beyond the legal allowance. Not to mention they all have wheels that do not fit correctly and leave a very small portion of there tread in contact with the pavement.

Your wasting your time. If you don't want tickets then don't slam the car or stance it out or ride on bags. I have seen and know all 3 peoples cars your referring to and it was only a matter of time before you guys got hit with VI's.

Perhaps a better solution is to in fact READ these laws you guys think your not breaking. Build your argument off of fact and not "he pulled me and 2 of my friends over and I dont like that"....sadly you will find out that many modifications performed to cars on here are illegal and not allowed.

Your VW does not meet the regulations for lighting seeing as you have tinted lenses/housings and non-DOT/SAE/TUV approved lighting on the vehicle.

Wtf are you talking about buddy this has nothing to do with headlights as the vi wasn't issued for that and there's nothin wrong with my headlights they aren't tinted, housings can be whatever the fuck colour you want em to be as long as the reflector is natural colour and the lens is clear and you don't have hids or coloured bulbs and they are dot approved which they are focus on the reason of the post buddy...

[Galactic_Phantom]

no my tyres don't stick out my my fenders FYI guy.

You've probably never driven up in the north part of the country eh???

Wtf are you talking about buddy this has nothing to do with headlights as the vi wasn't issued for that and there's nothin wrong with my headlights they aren't tinted, housings can be whatever the fuck colour you want em to be as long as the reflector is natural colour and the lens is clear and they are dot approved which they are focus on the reason of the post buddy...

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/11111122.jpg

[swfk]

MY FRIENDS ARE LOWER

On a second thought, if you want an aggressive wheel fitment you just have to understand the possibility of getting a VI.

Officer said to me and I quote "Any ride height adjustment to your vehicle needs to be inspected at a designated vehicle inspection facility"

I've been static to the point where my frame scrapes the yellow line doing a U turn, I've been on bags, just know the risks if you're going to "modify" your car to whatever level. Even if you had lowering springs 0.75", the officer has the right to send your car to VI.

[Vege]

Any modifications to your vehicle is a risk you take to being subject to a VI as even though you may think your interpretation of the BC MVA is correct, an Officer pulling you over won't know for sure unless you pass an inspection.

Modifying cars will automatically attract unwanted attention either good or bad. In your case just based on your attitude in responding to everyone's posts, maybe you should think about upgrading yourself before your vehicle.

Also, it appears your headlight housings were opened and painted then resealed. If that is the case, that would make you not pass a VI.

[Soundy]

You've probably never driven up in the north part of the country eh???
Grew up and learned to drive in the Cariboo.... never once needed to dodge a moose. Sure you get cattle on the road sometimes, but they don't move very fast (or at all), so unless you're driving like a complete fucktard, there's no dodging required.

Those are old pics from when it was lowered and things did rub I raised it up 50mm cause I drive in northern Alberta mostly and the roads are crap out here so ya I do have wheel gap and no my tyres don't stick out my my fenders FYI guy.

I updated in my thread what the VI was for and if you search me up on FB there's pics of the car there just type in Jamie Reddick chilliwack and car looks exactly the same exception is its 50mm higher and no not a loud exhaust at all.

But does it have turbo? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4030692/memes/animated/noob.gif

Punctuation saves lives, yo.

[jasonturbo]

Q

Wtf are you talking about buddy

...are focus on the reason of the post buddy

Excessive use of the word "buddy", confirmed lancer.evo is indeed a Surrian.

[lancer.evo]

Grew up and learned to drive in the Cariboo.... never once needed to dodge a moose. Sure you get cattle on the road sometimes, but they don't move very fast (or at all), so unless you're driving like a complete fucktard, there's no dodging required.





But does it have turbo? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4030692/memes/animated/noob.gif

Punctuation saves lives, yo.

Ya it's a turbo diesel what's your point? Punctuation might save lives but RCMP going after cars that are rusted to shit and all beat up would save more.

[lancer.evo]

Excessive use of the word buddy, confirmed lancer.evo is indeed a Surrian.

From Grande Prairie, AB and Chilliwack, BC

[Soundy]

From Grande Prairie, AB

The Surrey of Alberta.

[lancer.evo]

Here's a picture of my headlight for those people that are trying to do exactly what the cop did... Guessing because it is aftermarket

Depo replacement headlights
Haven't been "opened and painted" came that way bought em off ecstuning
Clear halogen bulb
Clear lenses
Reflector hasn't been tampered with
DOT approved

Anything else you can find wrong with my headlights? Maybe a cross threaded bolt that secures it on which was one grade too low?

[lancer.evo]

The Surrey of Alberta.

Other than the crime/drug statistics they are two completely different places. From the culture to the weather to the geography to the population... Grande Prairie is one of the only cities in North America where you can make six digits a year on a grade six education legally and that isn't a joke.

[El Dumbasso]

Everyone needs to stop worrying about the OP, he can clearly afford the VI.

Edit: Since OP sent me a private message asking to take the picture down, I'll be nice and comply.
This "artist's" rendition will have to suffice instead.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/dumbass/dolladollabillyall.png

[lancer.evo]

Ya may as well delete that that's seven years old

[Lomac]

Sweet... Free visa number.

Might want to edit that out...

[fliptuner]

My first car was a 1980 Mazda GLC, fun little hatchback.

Sounds like a great little car. :pokerface:

[Soundy]

Sounds like a great little car. [emoji14]okerface:
I totally miss that car...

[Lomac]

Just gonna comment on the facts, nothing more. Depo lights are DOT approved, though many of their older units weren't. Yours seems to be stamped, so you should be good there. The smoked housing is probably what caught his attention.

As for the ride stance, that's usually the biggest thing that will attract attention from an officer. My old GTI and 7G Accord were both static slammed. I managed to get away with both cars but I knew that it was a huge heat score for a cop if they felt inclined to pull me over. Also, don't assume stiffer suspension means better handling. Especially on the mk4 platform. The rear end especially goes all fucked up when lowered and the geometry is badly misaligned. It might *feel* better on the corners but it usually makes things worse during real emergency handling.

[Soundy]

Also, don't assume stiffer suspension means better handling. Especially on the mk4 platform. The rear end especially goes all fucked up when lowered and the geometry is badly misaligned. It might *feel* better on the corners but it usually makes things worse during real emergency handling.

Super-stiff suspension is fine on the track with a smooth surface... Get onto a rough northern road, you want plenty of give to allow your tires to follow the road and maintain contact. Your suspension needs to be able to track the road, or you'll end up with the whole vehicle bouncing all over the place.

[SpeedStars]

http://media.giphy.com/media/RCiWkTdSyds7C/giphy.gif
Thread delivers :thumbs:

[68style]

I totally miss that car...

You're old enough that you could have bought that car new though :troll:

[BoostedBB6]

Q

Wtf are you talking about buddy this has nothing to do with headlights as the vi wasn't issued for that and there's nothin wrong with my headlights they aren't tinted, housings can be whatever the fuck colour you want em to be as long as the reflector is natural colour and the lens is clear and you don't have hids or coloured bulbs and they are dot approved which they are focus on the reason of the post buddy...

It does not matter what the VI was issued for. You clearly have no understanding of the law as per you interpretation of what you can or can not do. Its in writing, very simple to understand.

If you want to play the ignorant moron who believes what he reads on the forums as "law" then enjoy wasting your time complaining about a cop who gave you and other friends VI's because your cars are not safe to operate on the road according to them.

Cool about your lights, but let me give you some advice (you obviously need it) when you modify a car like you do it attracts attention. When in the car scene that is the idea, people check out your car and enjoy what you have done (imo the car looks good) but it also attracts the attention of the cops. This is unwanted attention. Seeing as not all officers are well versed in the laws governing the standards of which a vehicle needs to be in they give you a VI to have it professionally looked at.

Seeing as all the cars I saw pertaining to this whole thing have been lowered beyond the point that the tires will make contact with the body in a turn if to sharp, or over a bump if its bad, or in an emergency maneuver its a VI'able situation.

Again, before you make a fool out of yourself, you should read the LAW before you choose to take a buddies word for it.

Table of Contents - Motor Vehicle Act (http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/ID/freeside/96318_00)

Have a read, learn something and then go to the cops.......because all you are doing now is going to the cops complaining that you got a ticket for a mod to your car. With the cars pictured they will not pass a VI and complaining will make them look harder at you guys and that's not a good idea.

[BoostedBB6]

Just to be clear, not trying to be offensive.

I've meet you a few times and I have nothing against you or what your doing, but you will not like the results.

[fliptuner]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/9GSSH/180k-bitches/image.png?w=400&c=1

[E-SPEC]

Just to be clear, not trying to be offensive.

I've meet you a few times and I have nothing against you or what your doing, but you will not like the results.

Call him a moron, but no not trying to be offensive LMAO.

[SumAznGuy]

Seeing as not all officers are well versed in the laws governing the standards of which a vehicle needs to be in they give you a VI to have it professionally looked at.

This quote is the key to this debate.

OP, if you really want to make a difference, then talk to your local MLA and bring up this issue. I agree with you about the VI, only in the instance that there is no recourse when the police office makes a mistake and issues a VI.

Complaining about the officer isn't going to change anything as they only enforce that laws that they are told to enforce.

[BoostedBB6]

Call him a moron, but no not trying to be offensive LMAO.

Didnt call him one, said "If you want to play the ignorant moron"....meaning if he goes into this without doing his homework he will be a moron....not yet is one.

[rriggi]

I've heard about Cst. Sidhu before and I've personally heard about his love of writing box 2's.

If he's legitimately harassing you, all the power to you, its nice to see you doing something constructive as opposed to coming on here and making a WTF PIGS thread. I didn't bother reading half the replies to the OP as most of them are just telling him he's wrong, but ah well...

[Timpo]

This post gave me cancer. I don't think I've ever read a post where someone contradicted themselves so much within one single post :lawl:

In fear of being bashed by RS, Timpo, initially trying to defend OP by calling out RS for being mean and that the police can be unfair, concludes his post by saying OP should grow up. :facepalm:

Typical Timpost.

I was trying to understand both perspectives.

[Puck Luck]

Other than the crime/drug statistics they are two completely different places. From the culture to the weather to the geography to the population... Grande Prairie is one of the only cities in North America where you can make six digits a year on a grade six education legally and that isn't a joke.

grade six education

grade six

:suspicious:

[GabAlmighty]

Other than the crime/drug statistics they are two completely different places. From the culture to the weather to the geography to the population... Grande Prairie is one of the only cities in North America where you can make six digits a year on a grade six education legally and that isn't a joke.

It's still a shit hole. I worked in the patch, and you'd still have to pay me more to live there.

[underscore]

I've heard about Cst. Sidhu before and I've personally heard about his love of writing box 2's.

If he's legitimately harassing you, all the power to you, its nice to see you doing something constructive as opposed to coming on here and making a WTF PIGS thread. I didn't bother reading half the replies to the OP as most of them are just telling him he's wrong, but ah well...

It's Monday and the shops are open, unless OP passes an inspection without touching the car he's wrong. If he does pass then he might be right, but I've yet to see that happen.

[Stealthy]

Teach me how to buddy guy

[meme405]

It's Monday and the shops are open, unless OP passes an inspection without touching the car he's wrong. If he does pass then he might be right, but I've yet to see that happen.

Even then he's not necessarily right.

As stated before, a PO isn't an inspector, they just need a reasonable belief that something on the vehicle doesn't meet the standards. Then they issue a VI, and leave it up to someone who is supposed to know everything to find out what's what.

I'm sure there are some people who have gotten a Box 2, and then been cleared by a VI, that doesn't make what the officer did "harassment" it just means he was wrong about the issues with the vehicle. Something which is hard for a PO on the side of the road to know, remember not all PO's are car people. There is a reason why it takes 4 years of apprenticeship and schooling to become a mechanic and get your inspection ticket, there's a lot of shit you need to know.

With that said I'm sure there are plenty of inspectors out there who could be easily greased to pass modifications which very obviously don't meet the MVA.

[Hot Karl]

I was trying to understand both perspectives.

no you didn't. you spent your entire time talking up modded cars as uber safe and anything old as a rustbucket shit trap.

[underscore]

I'm sure there are some people who have gotten a Box 2, and then been cleared by a VI, that doesn't make what the officer did "harassment" it just means he was wrong about the issues with the vehicle.

That's why I said "might". It would be very easy to prove if an officer or group of officers is unfairly harassing certain groups of road users, however I've yet to see anyone actually do it and I've yet to see anyone who has complained about getting a VI actually pass without changing anything. The import guys claim imports are being picked on, the truck guys claim trucks are being picked on, the bike guys claim bikes are being picked on, yet every time someone makes a big fuss their vehicle ends up requiring significant work to pass. I've seen both bikes and cars in the local news this year whining about getting VI's yet both times the idiots doing the whining end up have to make a bunch of changes to pass.

[MarkyMark]

Just out of curiosity, if you get a VI but your mods pass the inspection, do you get refunded for the inspection costs?

[6o4__boi]

^ nope.

[meme405]

Just out of curiosity, if you get a VI but your mods pass the inspection, do you get refunded for the inspection costs?

No.

Also if you get a 7 day impound for excessive speeding, and you win the case against the excessive speed you don't get money back for the tow truck and impound. Life's a beach.

[320icar]

Yeah it's a bullshit system. I know a guy who got his e30 m3 VI'd because of all its mods.... But it's on collectors plates and everything on the vehicle was, as it had been approved by icbc. Yes aftermarket wheels and things like a rear wing, but all period correct to icbc standards and optional equipment like a rare dtm rear wing.

Cop said it was breech of insurance and VI'd him. Yet I don't see all these crazy muscle cars getting vi's

[SumAznGuy]

Yeah it's a bullshit system.

By definition, a stock 04-07 STi or early IS300's could get a VI for a modified exhaust since they came with mufflers that had a 3 inch or larger tip.
All it takes is a little bit of driving like a tard and an under informed cop and you would be getting a box 1 VI. Never officially heard of anyone getting one though.

I remember back in 2000, AP1 S2000's were getting harassed for "blue" headlights because the projectors had the blue hue around them and not too many cars on the road at that time had HID's and projectors.

Again. System is flawed but the online bitching isn't going to do anything. If you truely feel that strongly about it, then talk to your local MLA and bring it up.

[meme405]

Yet I don't see all these crazy muscle cars getting vi's

Lol every group of enthusiasts says this.

Motorcyclists say it when people complain about their loud exhausts, they claim that many ricers have louder exhausts and they are being unfairly ticketed and VI'd.

Lifted truck guys say it when they get ticketed or VI's for rolling around with mud all over their cars, or tires that stick out several inches from the fenders.

Muscle car guys get it for no seat belts, old lap belts, lighting, etc. A family member of mine was giving me a ride in his old lincoln when we got pulled over and the cop wrote him a VI for seat belts. Needless to say he won that VI because it was easy to prove that his car never came with that option fitted.

So the truth is, every car group seems to believe they are the only one being persecuted, when really it's just bullshit, the cops come after all enthusiast relatively evenly in my eyes.

[nsx042003]

Cops should just all fuck off and hang out at tim horton's parking having donuts. Fucking VIs eh?

AHHA!:lawl:

My Lexus ISF was lowered pretty much the same as OP's friend's 2IS, and I've had it pretty much like that for a good 3 years, didn't have any troubles at all. I think cops are pretty reasonable, as long as you don't drive like a shitbag, they don't typical pay attention to you much.

ah well....i think everyone on RS would get VI if what OP saying is true

[JesseBlue]

Been a while since i saw a thread with gold star replies

[Limitless]

They're actually cracking down on the VI's a lot this year I think. My Z used to be pretty slammed for 2 years when I first had it, tucking tire a little bit and about 8cm or whatever of clearance for the front lip. Loud ass T1R exhaust too. My civic was also tucking tire, at one point almost tucking rim with a loud fartcan for a year or so before the Z. No problems at all, got pulled over every now and then but never a mention of a ticket for my mods.

This year I raised up my car even higher, I'm sitting at almost a 2 finger gap between tire and fender. Changed the loud ass t1r exhaust to a quiet Invidia one, sounded almost like stock if I'm driving normally. First day I took the car out near March this year I got pulled over on a road block and some cop said "Oohh so your car is modified, you don't like the stock car? Your wheels are almost touching the hub! You better change it if you don't want me to tow you next time." He didn't know shit, but probably saying my car was too low and the tire was too close to the fender I guess, when I had a 2 finger gap. Couple months later, same cop pulls me over and actually gives me a VI. My car is pretty noticeable but I wouldn't say too overly illegal or whatever in terms of mods. Car is fairly high, at around -2 camber all around. Quiet exhaust. But technically any change in how wide, low, and any aftermarket exhaust is technically illegal. Pretty much anything you do to your car is illegal actually lol.

Took my car to get VI'd and the more legit shops said that if you lower the car at all, the headlights will be too low and they have to be a certain height to be legal. Fat tires, exhaust, cats, kits that lower the car more than a specified OEM height or something? Wheels that have a more aggressive fitment that are too close or past the fenders. All illegal

[Timpo]

What if cop gives VI on BONE STOCK cars that kinda look modified?
Viper GTS-R, Nismo GT-R, 911 GT2, etc?
Or bone stock cars that does not even look modified?

Can you send a bill to RCMP(or wherever) and get your money reimbursed? I'd be pretty pissed if it cost me money for an offence that I didn't even commit.

[lancer.evo]

I've heard about Cst. Sidhu before and I've personally heard about his love of writing box 2's.

If he's legitimately harassing you, all the power to you, its nice to see you doing something constructive as opposed to coming on here and making a WTF PIGS thread. I didn't bother reading half the replies to the OP as most of them are just telling him he's wrong, but ah well...

Thank you... That's all I was asking on the thread if other people have been having problems with him as well

[SumAznGuy]

What if cop gives VI on BONE STOCK cars that kinda look modified?
Viper GTS-R, Nismo GT-R, 911 GT2, etc?
Or bone stock cars that does not even look modified?

Can you send a bill to RCMP(or wherever) and get your money reimbursed? I'd be pretty pissed if it cost me money for an offence that I didn't even commit.

I was thinking the exact same thing when i was driving home today.
Saw a bone stock black S2000 CR.

http://www.rarecarsforsaleblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/s2000berlinablackcr1i.jpg

I can see the front lip and rear wing catching the attention of a PO.

[mb_]

What if cop gives VI on BONE STOCK cars that kinda look modified?
Viper GTS-R, Nismo GT-R, 911 GT2, etc?
Or bone stock cars that does not even look modified?

Can you send a bill to RCMP(or wherever) and get your money reimbursed? I'd be pretty pissed if it cost me money for an offence that I didn't even commit.

I got a VI earlier last year for "fog lights as DRL" which is how it came from the factory since it had popup headlights. Took a lot of patience but I had it cancelled instead of having it inspected. Your mileage will vary of course depending on who you get in contact with from the detachment.

[Raid3n]

They're actually cracking down on the VI's a lot this year I think. My Z used to be pretty slammed for 2 years when I first had it, tucking tire a little bit and about 8cm or whatever of clearance for the front lip. Loud ass T1R exhaust too. My civic was also tucking tire, at one point almost tucking rim with a loud fartcan for a year or so before the Z. No problems at all, got pulled over every now and then but never a mention of a ticket for my mods.

This year I raised up my car even higher, I'm sitting at almost a 2 finger gap between tire and fender. Changed the loud ass t1r exhaust to a quiet Invidia one, sounded almost like stock if I'm driving normally. First day I took the car out near March this year I got pulled over on a road block and some cop said "Oohh so your car is modified, you don't like the stock car? Your wheels are almost touching the hub! You better change it if you don't want me to tow you next time." He didn't know shit, but probably saying my car was too low and the tire was too close to the fender I guess, when I had a 2 finger gap. Couple months later, same cop pulls me over and actually gives me a VI. My car is pretty noticeable but I wouldn't say too overly illegal or whatever in terms of mods. Car is fairly high, at around -2 camber all around. Quiet exhaust. But technically any change in how wide, low, and any aftermarket exhaust is technically illegal. Pretty much anything you do to your car is illegal actually lol.

Took my car to get VI'd and the more legit shops said that if you lower the car at all, the headlights will be too low and they have to be a certain height to be legal. Fat tires, exhaust, cats, kits that lower the car more than a specified OEM height or something? Wheels that have a more aggressive fitment that are too close or past the fenders. All illegal

-Centre of the headlights must be a minimum of 56CM from the ground
4.05 (2) The headlamps must be mounted at a height of not less than 56 cm and not more than 1.37 m.

-if you were to rest the car on the ground with no tires, your rim must be the only component that would be touching the ground

7.091 A motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 4 500 kg must have a minimum clearance for all parts of it, other than the wheels in contact with the level roadway, that is no lower than the lowest point on the rim of any wheel in contact with the roadway.

just to flesh out the part that i bolded

[Soundy]

Here's a picture of my headlight for those people that are trying to do exactly what the cop did... Guessing because it is aftermarket

Depo replacement headlights
Haven't been "opened and painted" came that way bought em off ecstuning
Clear halogen bulb
Clear lenses
Reflector hasn't been tampered with
DOT approved

Anything else you can find wrong with my headlights? Maybe a cross threaded bolt that secures it on which was one grade too low?
Sure looks tinted to me.

General maintenance
4.04 (1) Lighting devices required by this Division must be maintained in good working order.

(2) Lamps and reflectors required by this Division
(a) must be securely mounted on the vehicle,
(b) must not have any cracked, broken, missing or incorrectly installed lenses, and a lamp must not have bent or broken rims that allow water to enter the lamp, and
(c) must not be shielded, covered or obscured by any part of the vehicle or load or by dirt or other material.

[melloman]

Finally people giving MVA's to back shit up.

Technically in the eyes of the police ANY MODIFICATION is illegal, which if you read the MVA, is complete and utter bullshit.

Raiden has already shown that you can legally lower a car, yet you have a headlight restriction and a body restriction. Cops will always say shit like "Your car is too low, you don't have a fender gap, that's dangerous" yet if it's not rubbing, and it meets the 2 MVA's, it's NOT ILLEGAL.

Onto tires, the TREAD must be 100% covered by the fender. Thus you can stretch/poke your wheels all you want, as long as the TREAD is covered 100% by the fender to avoid throwing debris onto other road users. (Trying to find the MVA yet can't dig it up ATM)

There will always be cops who think they know WTF they are talking about, and when it comes down to bare brass, they can VI you even for a stock car. This is the problem with giving someone too much power without the knowledge to back it up.

The minute your Jetta hits a reputable VI place though, you're SOL because they will go through the whole car and start telling you everything that needs replacement due to your modifications and putting excessive wear on other components of the car.

[smoothie.]

Finally people giving MVA's to back shit up.

Technically in the eyes of the police ANY MODIFICATION is illegal, which if you read the MVA, is complete and utter bullshit.

Raiden has already shown that you can legally lower a car, yet you have a headlight restriction and a body restriction. Cops will always say shit like "Your car is too low, you don't have a fender gap, that's dangerous" yet if it's not rubbing, and it meets the 2 MVA's, it's NOT ILLEGAL.

Onto tires, the TREAD must be 100% covered by the fender. Thus you can stretch/poke your wheels all you want, as long as the TREAD is covered 100% by the fender to avoid throwing debris onto other road users. (Trying to find the MVA yet can't dig it up ATM)

There will always be cops who think they know WTF they are talking about, and when it comes down to bare brass, they can VI you even for a stock car. This is the problem with giving someone too much power without the knowledge to back it up.

The minute your Jetta hits a reputable VI place though, you're SOL because they will go through the whole car and start telling you everything that needs replacement due to your modifications and putting excessive wear on other components of the car.

IIRC there's other parts in the MVA however, that restrict what you can and cannot change on a car, due to safety tests, road legal approvals - which is where the suspension, power adders, and other mods come in.

[rriggi]

Stock car VI's happen, I dealt with a Porsche that received a ticket for the stock exhaust being too loud. Calling the officer didn't help as he refused to believe that he was wrong, so it was cancelled through higher powers eventually.

Colossal waste of time for something that met requirements on all levels.

If your car is modified, make sure you are WELL educated on the laws regarding what you have done, and don't fight with the officer. If you know what your talking about you are usually okay. I keep a copy of the vehicle inspection manual in my car but that's total overkill lol..



Technically in the eyes of the police ANY MODIFICATION is illegal, which if you read the MVA, is complete and utter bullshit.



This, exactly!! ^^^

Modifications need to meet REQUIREMENTS of functionality, and not approval by governing bodies. Idiots will argue all day that if it says for OFFROAD USE ONLY its illegal. No. Just because the manufacturer didn't go through NHTSA and DOT to get the parts approved doesn't make it a part that will fail a VI.

[underscore]

There will always be cops who think they know WTF they are talking about, and when it comes down to bare brass, they can VI you even for a stock car. This is the problem with giving someone too much power without the knowledge to back it up.

The minute your Jetta hits a reputable VI place though, you're SOL because they will go through the whole car and start telling you everything that needs replacement due to your modifications and putting excessive wear on other components of the car.

:facepalm: The whole point of VI's is that officers can't give a full vehicle inspection at the side of the road, and they shouldn't be expected to. At the end of the day if your car gives officers reason to believe it will fail an inspection, and your modifications cause your car to fail that inspection, then the VI is valid.

[GabAlmighty]

:facepalm: The whole point of VI's is that officers can't give a full vehicle inspection at the side of the road, and they shouldn't be expected to. At the end of the day if your car gives officers reason to believe it will fail an inspection, and your modifications cause your car to fail that inspection, then the VI is valid.

While that makes sense and I don't disagree. The part that bothers me is that, as it's been mentioned, they can legally give you a VI on a stock car for pretty much any reason they want. Which again, is fine. it's the fact that no matter the issue you're still out of pocket the tow and inspection cost whether your car is good to go or not.

What they should have is a system where they issue you a VI. And you have to go get it checked out and if the car passes then there's "no charge" and if it fails then yes you pay the fee.

I realize there's lots of issues to deal with before you can have a system like that implemented. But, it's the point and thought that i'm trying to get across.

[rriggi]

While that makes sense and I don't disagree. The part that bothers me is that, as it's been mentioned, they can legally give you a VI on a stock car for pretty much any reason they want. Which again, is fine. it's the fact that no matter the issue you're still out of pocket the tow and inspection cost whether your car is good to go or not.

What they should have is a system where they issue you a VI. And you have to go get it checked out and if the car passes then there's "no charge" and if it fails then yes you pay the fee.

I realize there's lots of issues to deal with before you can have a system like that implemented. But, it's the point and thought that i'm trying to get across.

Issue with that system is because the VIP is done through independent shops, you cant waste a private shop's time because the officer made an error or assumes that you are not legal/dangerous.

If you are getting a box 1 on a stock car, there is something very wrong lol

[underscore]

While that makes sense and I don't disagree. The part that bothers me is that, as it's been mentioned, they can legally give you a VI on a stock car for pretty much any reason they want. Which again, is fine. it's the fact that no matter the issue you're still out of pocket the tow and inspection cost whether your car is good to go or not.

I've heard of stock cars getting box 3's but never a box 1, so you're only out the inspection cost.

What they should have is a system where they issue you a VI. And you have to go get it checked out and if the car passes then there's "no charge" and if it fails then yes you pay the fee.

I realize there's lots of issues to deal with before you can have a system like that implemented. But, it's the point and thought that i'm trying to get across.

To do that the gov't would have to open inspection facilities as currently all towing and inspections are done by private companies. Our current system may seem like a pain when the odd passable vehicle does get a VI, but it's still cheaper than any legitimately viable alternative that I've heard of.

[nsx042003]

Aircare is finished right? I think an annual inspection at the current ICBC aircare facilities will be ideal.

[J.C]

^ please no

[Soundy]

IIRC there's other parts in the MVA however, that restrict what you can and cannot change on a car, due to safety tests, road legal approvals - which is where the suspension, power adders, and other mods come in.

There are several mods you can make that aren't illegal themselves, BUT you must have the vehicle re-inspected afterward. That includes just about anything you do to the suspension.

Also, it's not just the BC MVA/MVAR you have to worry about - Transport Canada regs also apply. DRLs, for example, are not a BC-specific law; the MVAR simply stipulates that they must be compliant with the federal regs:

Daytime running lamps
4.08 A motor vehicle may be equipped with daytime running lamps, mounted on the front of the vehicleat a height of not less than 30 cm and not more than 2.11 m, that comply with the requirements of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/M-10.01/index.html) (Canada).

[Berzerker]

And yet your vehicle can drive out of the inspection facility with a perfect pass and be sent right back in by police. With no dispute process or way to fight it at all.

Berz out.

[dovo]

I bet the op will comback and say got you fools was just writing a paper lewl

[underscore]

Aircare is finished right? I think an annual inspection at the current ICBC aircare facilities will be ideal.

Ok great, now what about the other 941858km^2 of BC?

[6o4__boi]

Aircare is finished right? I think an annual inspection at the current ICBC aircare facilities will be ideal.

that's the worst fuckin idea posted in this forum this year so far

and that's sayin something

[nsx042003]

Coming from Nova Scotia, where annual inspection is needed to be on the road, VI tickets never really surfaced in the car community. I've only heard of these complaints here in BC. Of course there are ups and downs to everything, OP is complaining about unjust VI that can cause money out of pocket, even if car is 100% compliant. Plus it's not like only air care facility can issue a passing inspection, just like now, any auto shop can do it.

I personally hate annual inspections, it's an extra step in the process, but if the police really want to get shit cars off the road, then it is a much better process then the spray and pray method currently being employed now

[Soundy]

Annual inspections used to be a thing here, long ago... I remember my grandpa's car having a row of stickers up the right edge of the windshield, and I recall going with him a couple times to the inspection station near where the BCIT AirCare station was.

Honestly, half the cars on RS probably wouldn't be on the road in their current states, if we went back to annual inspections. Gambling on the odd random VI should be considered a blessing.

[91civicZC]

The VI system as its run by the officers and RCMP of the GVA is not based on road safety or even the MVA. It’s based on the goal of intimidating a group that the officers believe are a problem and see it as a way to discourage unsafe drivers, not unsafe cars. If it was actually about road safe vehicles, you would see lines of home built (and shop built) hot rods, beaters, and lifted trucks waiting for inspections and being towed, not Civics and Subaru’s pulled over to the side of the road because the officer thinks it doesn’t looks stock enough.

It’s used to intimidate and discourage both financially and physically a whole group of people that have a minority of problem members.

[GabAlmighty]

The VI system as its run by the officers and RCMP of the GVA is not based on road safety or even the MVA. It’s based on the goal of intimidating a group that the officers believe are a problem and see it as a way to discourage unsafe drivers, not unsafe cars. If it was actually about road safe vehicles, you would see lines of home built (and shop built) hot rods, beaters, and lifted trucks waiting for inspections and being towed, not Civics and Subaru’s pulled over to the side of the road because the officer thinks it doesn’t looks stock enough.

It’s used to intimidate and discourage both financially and physically a whole group of people that have a minority of problem members.

Only part i'm going to comment on is the fact that it's not only the "subaru's and civics" of the world. Lifted trucks get the same sort of shit. Don't start spewing misinformation just because all you've ever had is a rice rocket.

[91civicZC]

Only part i'm going to comment on is the fact that it's not only the "subaru's and civics" of the world. Lifted trucks get the same sort of shit. Don't start spewing misinformation just because all you've ever had is a rice rocket.

Had a few trucks growing up, all were piles of crap unfortunately.

I don't see the lifted trucks out here pulled over remotely as often as I see a modified import or Euro car, but you seem like your feelings got hurt so I imagine it must happen. As a note, I've never had a VI.

However many of the lifted trucks I see in this area I don’t think are actually legal, most have tires that go past the fenders, improperly aimed headlights, etc.

If trucks are getting pulled over without actual issues and officers are saying "doesn't look stock, VI" then I would group them into the statement I said before. If they are being pulled over for actual infractions that’s different.

I would also imagine it has to do with area your in, and what the groups the police in those areas feel are a problem. I just bought a house in an area were more off road vehicles are present, so maybe I will see it more now?

I stand by its being used as a tool against groups of drivers and not as a means to remove unsafe vehicles from the road in most cases.

[meme405]

The VI system as its run by the officers and RCMP of the GVA is not based on road safety or even the MVA. It’s based on the goal of intimidating a group that the officers believe are a problem and see it as a way to discourage unsafe drivers, not unsafe cars. If it was actually about road safe vehicles, you would see lines of home built (and shop built) hot rods, beaters, and lifted trucks waiting for inspections and being towed, not Civics and Subaru’s pulled over to the side of the road because the officer thinks it doesn’t looks stock enough.

It’s used to intimidate and discourage both financially and physically a whole group of people that have a minority of problem members.

:lawl:

So it is possible for someone who's been a member of RS for over 10 years to still be a noob. Awesome.


I stand by its being used as a tool against groups of drivers and not as a means to remove unsafe vehicles from the road in most cases.

How in your mind does this make any fucking sense? When you get a VI it doesn't even go on your DL, the car gets towed away but you could easily just hop in another vehicle and go out driving. So no, this statement is wildly inaccurate because all it does is take the car off the road, and it does nothing to affect the driver.

I love how it's someone who has never had a VI coming on here and spewing crap about how unfair the system is. Call us when you have actually had some sort of issue with the law before getting all butthurt about it. Until then your just making a big stink for no reason. Just like all those mothers who scream "WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" about absolutely everything from pipelines, to speed limits.

[Soundy]

Only part i'm going to comment on is the fact that it's not only the "subaru's and civics" of the world. Lifted trucks get the same sort of shit. Don't start spewing misinformation just because all you've ever had is a rice rocket.

Lifted trucks are another one of those things that probably half of them technically shouldn't be on the road, though - illegal or uncovered lighting, illegal height, lack of mudflaps, lack of fenders... A lift 4" or more over stock height isn't illegal in itself, but IS supposed to be inspected; how many of those do you think actually have been?

But yeah, especially this summer, I've been hearing about more and more of them being stopped... maybe not so much getting VIs (or maybe those drivers just don't whine about it as much as your average ricer), but at least getting checked out. Chilliwack in particular has been running a safety blitz all summer and cracking down on illegal mods on 4x4s. I know one guy said a cop pointed out his light bar (mounted between the sides of his stinger), so he just spun it around so it was facing the grill... cop chuckled and let him go on his way.

...not Civics and Subaru’s pulled over to the side of the road because the officer thinks it doesn’t looks stock enough.
Or here's a thought: most of them draw extra attention to themselves with their fartcan exhausts and drivers revving up to impress chicks or whatever.

Jeeps running around without doors is illegal as well (except old CJs), but a lot of guys have been doing it for years without being hassled, because they aren't loud and don't do stupid shit to draw attention to themselves.

Buddy of mine was once pulled over after he gunned his ricer Integra away from a light... cop was going the other way, turned around and wrote him up for speeding (which he was), and even told him, "if I hadn't HEARD you, I probably wouldn't have even noticed you."

[Soundy]

I don't see the lifted trucks out here pulled over remotely as often as I see a modified import or Euro car...

Frequency illusion - RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion)

[91civicZC]

:lawl:

So it is possible for someone who's been a member of RS for over 10 years to still be a noob. Awesome.



How in your mind does this make any fucking sense? When you get a VI it doesn't even go on your DL, the car gets towed away but you could easily just hop in another vehicle and go out driving. So no, this statement is wildly inaccurate because all it does is take the car off the road, and it does nothing to affect the driver.

“but you could easily just hop in another vehicle and go out driving”. I think your missing my point completely. I’m sure you’ll continue to, but let me try and explain.

I say this is targeting a group the police perceive as a problem. Modified imports and Euros, so probably a younger crowd for the most part. Many of these people will not have another car to go jump in and drive, but let’s say they do. That’s not taking into account the dollar value of the wasted time they spend getting the car checked.

This will mean many people driving these cars will A: stay out of specific areas (I know I do) when driving specific cars, B possibly stop modifying vehicles.

If they stop being in that area, that’s a win for police as they are regarded as a problem, regardless of the reality.

In general modified compacts are looked as driven by people who are a perceived as a problem in the public eye. Often associated with street racing and such, again regardless of the reality. Less and less of these on the road, regardless of the actual safety of the vehicle give s a visual win for the police in the public's eye.

[murd0c]

Had a few trucks growing up, all were piles of crap unfortunately.

I don't see the lifted trucks out here pulled over remotely as often as I see a modified import or Euro car, but you seem like your feelings got hurt so I imagine it must happen. As a note, I've never had a VI.

However many of the lifted trucks I see in this area I don’t think are actually legal, most have tires that go past the fenders, improperly aimed headlights, etc.

If trucks are getting pulled over without actual issues and officers are saying "doesn't look stock, VI" then I would group them into the statement I said before. If they are being pulled over for actual infractions that’s different.

I would also imagine it has to do with area your in, and what the groups the police in those areas feel are a problem. I just bought a house in an area were more off road vehicles are present, so maybe I will see it more now?

I stand by its being used as a tool against groups of drivers and not as a means to remove unsafe vehicles from the road in most cases.

You don't see trucks getting pulled over and VI'd because you are in the wrong locations. Normally this happens at the trail heads of Stave lake, Harrison, Sylvester road etc. Trust me it happens all the time and I have had it happen to most of my buddies.

Just stop talking because you don't have a clue what you are talking about at all.

[91civicZC]

Frequency illusion - RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion)

Which I already addressed above. I admit, where I am I don’t see many lifted trucks pulled over, although I do see many lifted vehicles. Maybe that will change at my new place. However of many of the lifted trucks I do see, many have mods like tire fitment issues and such that I would expect them to be pulled over for.

I did grow up in the Okanagan valley and have some experience with lifted vehicles, with many friends owning them. I was never once pulled over in one. However, different time and different area.

While I understand the point being made “because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen”, having spent a good portion of my adult working life working in the automotive industry, I believe in this area and in others I have lived like California, VI’s are used as tool against groups of drivers and not cars.

[91civicZC]

You don't see trucks getting pulled over and VI'd because you are in the wrong locations. Normally this happens at the trail heads of Stave lake, Harrison, Sylvester road etc. Trust me it happens all the time and I have had it happen to most of my buddies.

Just stop talking because you don't have a clue what you are talking about at all.

Meh, I stand by what the statement, I don’t need to be agreed with all the time.

Honestly I’m actually surprised by the response. While i understand the lifted crowd being upset at the comment, it wasn’t really the focus of my argument which I have stated a few times, that VIs are used as a tool for specific groups of drivers not the actual safety of the car.

So maybe put it this way, when going up to a trail, and the police are pulling people over in lifted vehicles, are they pulling over vehicles that have obvious infractions, or are they pulling over everyone and just telling them to get VIs?

If its everyone going up the trail in anything modified, do you not think that the police could be targeting that group in that area, not for the safety of the vehicles but for the perceived (real or not) issues that group of drivers cause? Unsafe driving habits, garbage left at remote locations etc?

[meme405]

In general modified compacts are looked as driven by people who are a perceived as a problem in the public eye. Often associated with street racing and such, again regardless of the reality. Less and less of these on the road, regardless of the actual safety of the vehicle give s a visual win for the police in the public's eye.

I see what you are getting at; however, your method of explaining it definitely needed some work.

I am just gonna go ahead and guess you are talking about the thursday night meets, or a similar scenario to that. Where police came into an area to try and disperse a gathering of ricers and enthusiasts.

You are absolutely correct that in that instance the police are using VI's to stop people from gathering there. But you have to look and understand why they are doing that. It's for exactly the reason Soundy and Murdoc are saying, because a bunch of limp dicked morons started revving, and doing burnouts or leaving the parking lot at mach speed. The people who wanted these meets to continue tried to get a handle on it, all you have to do is go back and look at the meet page and see how much different groups tried to stop people from acting like idiots. Unfortunately nothing worked, and eventually the police decided enough is enough, and they came in week after week handing out VI's to people.

So yes in that specific type of instance they used VI's to try and end the situation. Truth is though that most of the people who got them deserved them anyway, not running a front plate, tinted lights, loud exhaust, etc. Those are all valid VI's.

Either way to generalize the VI's as completely invalid just because of how they are being used by one particular police department is completely incorrect.

[91civicZC]

I see what you are getting at; however, your method of explaining it definitely needed some work.

I am just gonna go ahead and guess you are talking about the thursday night meets, or a similar scenario to that. Where police came into an area to try and disperse a gathering of ricers and enthusiasts.

You are absolutely correct that in that instance the police are using VI's to stop people from gathering there. But you have to look and understand why they are doing that. It's for exactly the reason Soundy and Murdoc are saying, because a bunch of limp dicked morons started revving, and doing burnouts or leaving the parking lot at mach speed. The people who wanted these meets to continue tried to get a handle on it, all you have to do is go back and look at the meet page and see how much different groups tried to stop people from acting like idiots. Unfortunately nothing worked, and eventually the police decided enough is enough, and they came in week after week handing out VI's to people.

So yes in that specific type of instance they used VI's to try and end the situation. Truth is though that most of the people who got them deserved them anyway, not running a front plate, tinted lights, loud exhaust, etc. Those are all valid VI's.

Either way to generalize the VI's as completely invalid just because of how they are being used by one particular police department is completely incorrect.

So let me clear, I’m not saying all VIs aren’t legit, not by a long shot. While I have my personal issues and reservations with police I’m not going around shouting “cops are dicks yo!”. There are some great officers out there.

What I am trying to point out is that there are groups of car enthusiasts that are perceived as a problem, correct or not. I’m using younger (18-25 lets say) male drivers as an example because they are the most obvious. The argument could be made that yes many of them ARE problem drivers.

However I believe that in many cases the police are issuing VIs to these groups of drivers not on the basis of the actual modifications of the car and its safety or legality in many cases, but as a deterrent for stupid driving OR perceived stupid/dangerous driving unrelated to the car itself.

So using the lifted truck guy argument: Young guys, lifted trucks go to up to one of the lakes. Leave a bunch of crap behind. People complain. The next week more lifted vehicles go up and the cops give out a bunch of VIs, some for visible infractions, some because the vehicle doesn’t look stock and they are with that group.

The ones who had actual infractions deserve the VI, legit. The ones who came up and trashed the area the week before but drive the legal vehicle deserve the VI, but it’s not legit. It’s being used as a deterrent for that group because of something completely unrelated to the vehicle or safety.

Some people will get the VI that didn’t deserve it having done nothing wrong, have no actual infractions, but are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Side note, I'm not actually talking about Thursday night as I haven't been in a year or so, although I would expect there are examples of both sides of this there.

[Soundy]

I’m using younger (18-15 lets say) male drivers as an example ...

15
15
15

:fulloffuck:

[91civicZC]

15
15
15

:fulloffuck:

LOL

That should say 25.

[Tone Loc]

If you don't want a VI, don't drive a "modded" car, plain and simple.

Modding your car draws attention to the car, both positive (people giving you thumbs-up, people taking photos of your car, picking up hot women (okay I made up the last one but you get my point)) and negative (police attention due to ride height, wheels, loud exhaust, etc.).

Take it like a man or woman and move on.

If you don't want attention, drive a stock car like I do. Personally I have never received a ticket or even been pulled over in my stock Integra though it is probably quite a fair amount faster than my AE86...

[originalhypa]

If you don't want attention, drive a stock car like I do.

No offence, but if I'm ever stuck driving a stock 1996 Integra, then I have made some very bad life decisions.

FailFish


Once again, all of my vehicles are modified in some way. But they're not gaudy or illegal mods. For example, my truck is lifted with big tires. So instead of running the risk of getting pulled over I added mudflaps and fender flares. Problem solved in the eyes of the law.

Be smart with your mods. If you're driving this
http://img01.deviantart.net/0fed/i/2011/306/b/6/stanced__deepdish_r32_by_atc_design-d4eve1h.jpg

You can expect that you'll be meeting a cop soon.

[dared3vil0]

Would you be the same Jamie Reddick trying to rationalize learning car control by practicing on "empty" streets way back when in the comments on this article? Lol

Chilliwack RCMP ticket young street racers and impound their vehicles - Chilliwack Times (http://www.chilliwacktimes.com/news/250695711.html?mobile=true)

If so, and that's your white Jetta with the gold wheels on your profile, it's pretty obvious why you got a VI... You've got absolutely no wheel gap and your wheels+tires protrude outside of the fender housings. I'm no rocket scientist but that's pretty textbook VI material.

Actually I suspect that Jamie Reddick also got his 240sx impounded in that same article, also taken from his facebook with the title

"Having some fun in the coupe"

Interesting considering the article you posted is about drifting in 240sx's

:lawl:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11145168_10152981105522805_3393729899080305769_n.j pg?oh=f64f62f72247f96e083647ea74345e02&oe=56437992

[Tone Loc]

No offence, but if I'm ever stuck driving a stock 1996 Integra, then I have made some very bad life decisions.

FailFish


Ouch. I was only trying to make the point to the OP that stock cars rarely ever get VI's, whether or not the mods are in fact "illegal" is a non-issue. My point was that modified cars will always attract more attention than the same model of car that is stock or mostly stock. If you don't want police attention, follow the rules of the road and drive a stock car. Seems to work fine for 95% of people on the road.

No need to hate on my car or my financial situation as if I somehow personally attacked you. You know nothing about my "life decisions" (working student driving a beater car in order to pay for tuition) or my current situation so as far as I'm concerned you can bugger off.

[Inaii]

If you're not seeing lifted trucks pulled over, you're not going into Maple Ridge enough :lol I saw 2 pulled over on my way back from Chilliwack this morning.

[91civicZC]

If you're not seeing lifted trucks pulled over, you're not going into Maple Ridge enough :lol I saw 2 pulled over on my way back from Chilliwack this morning.

Ill be spending a a lot more time there, Ill start keeping notes :)

[lancer.evo]

This is right outside my place of work.

I call the police on these donkies weekly.

If they are there after hours when nobody is around and they aren't hurting anything you should leave them alone. Nobody likes a rat...

[originalhypa]

No need to hate on my car or my financial situation as if I somehow personally attacked you. You know nothing about my "life decisions" (working student driving a beater car in order to pay for tuition) or my current situation so as far as I'm concerned you can bugger off.

The op is a kid. He doesn't know any better.
Yet you rubbed his face in it. He's no different than we were at that age. So to tell him to basically give up modding cars is irresponsible at best.

I apologize for going for the jugular there. It was hot in the office, and I had as playoff game tonight, so maybe I wasn't being a very good human. But at the end of the day, you could have been a bit more supportive of the kid. We all love cars. Let's spread that, rather than push people away from the scene.

I owe you some thanks.

But in the meantime, went the hell did inaii both thank, and fail me?

:okay:

[BoostedBB6]

If they are there after hours when nobody is around and they aren't hurting anything you should leave them alone. Nobody likes a rat...

Clearly people are around when you "drifting". If there are businesses near by the visual appeal of the area is ruined by loads of skid marks from people drifting.
Take it to the track.

[Phil@rise]

Aaah, the age of linking everything to Facebook and leaving it all open to the public. :lol

If this is how your car currently looks:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/10402670_10152082105412805_394265519022949802_n.jp g?oh=c1183968860c1f05caf2c004c7c659c8&oe=563D69B9

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/969372_10151466248507805_1009205100_n.jpg?oh=7704b c6c8cb8698d1012e7bc2d518166&oe=567C42C0

...then, yes, the VI was justified completely. Also, your headlight housings are tinted. True, not the reflector portion, but I believe it's still illegal to modify them.

If this is how you roll in Alberta to avoid moose and survive shitty roads your delusional. Or your stupid.

you need something more along the lines of this. You'll still get a VI thi for no light covers lol.
Team Trauma Rally Racing (http://www.teamtraumarally.com)

[meme405]

If this is how you roll in Alberta to avoid moose and survive shitty roads your delusional. Or your stupid.

you need something more along the lines of this. You'll still get a VI thi for no light covers lol.
Team Trauma Rally Racing (http://www.teamtraumarally.com)

Chances are at 110km/h your not going to be avoiding shit. So in reality you need something like this:

http://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/global/master/nscwebsite/en/home/Vehicles/Current_Vehicles/2015_Sierra_2500/Model_Overview/01_images/2015-gmc-sierra-2500-mov-exterior-mm1-scroller-732x282-01.jpg

There's a reason why such a vast majority of the vehicles up north are pickups, some of that may have to do with all the small dicked people making 100k a year with nothing else to spend it on beside trucks, hookers and blow.

But the other big reason is the fact that #1 - You need it to get around in the winter. #2 - That unfortunate encounter with a deer is a lot less likely to end up with you dead.

[GabAlmighty]

I went and test drove a 2015 F-350 with a 6" BDS lift and 37's. Boy was that pretty.

I need to go back to work up there...

[Jmac]

Using a lowered small car to avoid big animals on roads that often don't have center barriers/medians and lots of large vehicles is some extremely shitty logic.

There's a reason why, when you look at BC's most dangerous highways, a lot of them are in the Cariboo region despite it not being a particularly hilly region (relative to southeast BC). Large animals, large trucks, no center barriers/medians. Swerving is probably the last thing you want to do, lest you end up a hood ornament on a much larger vehicle.

5. Prince George-Quesnel (Highway 97: 27 fatal crashes)

Screen shot 2015-02-09 at 3.40.27 AM

You could make the case that the entire Cariboo Highway, from Cache Creek to Prince George, is the most dangerous long route in the province, with 71 fatal crashes in total from 2004 to 2013. The government is in the middle of a decade-long project of widening the area, dubbed the “Cariboo Connector“, to four lanes in several different areas.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1819213/british-columbias-12-deadliest-highways/

[Lomac]

There's a reason why I use my Saab up in the Interior - It's moose rated.

:fullofwin:

[lancer.evo]

Actually I suspect that Jamie Reddick also got his 240sx impounded in that same article, also taken from his facebook with the title

"Having some fun in the coupe"

Interesting considering the article you posted is about drifting in 240sx's

:lawl:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11145168_10152981105522805_3393729899080305769_n.j pg?oh=f64f62f72247f96e083647ea74345e02&oe=56437992

Nope wasn't me I am 27 not the age those guys were and I was up in Grande Prairie fracking at the time that happened

[originalhypa]

:lol

a pm from the op. He doesn't realize that I was sticking up for him.

Who the fuck are you calling me a kid? I'm a grown man that's 27 years old who works in the patch and has a quarter of a million saved up already... Go fuck yourself and continue on your way to your shit 20$ an hour job to pay for your one bedroom Vancouver apartment faggot.


He can't figure out why he's getting harassed.

[westopher]

Got a quarter of a million saved eh? Gonna need that when he gets laid off from the patch and can't get a job because he's a fucking idiot.
I fucking hate these rig pig fucks that think they are something special because they have some cash and spout off their bank statements. Get some class, and maybe get a brain ya morans.

[Soundy]

Quarter mill in the bank, paying a couple hundred to deal with a VI shouldn't be such a big deal.

[bluejays]

Quarter mill in the bank and drives a janky vw jetta LOL

[GabAlmighty]

Fracker.... This explains much.

edit: you guys hiring?

[GGnoRE]

Quarter Mil?? Damn, mother-fracker....

[Phil@rise]

what an asshat

[hotong]

pic of bank account summary or didn't happen

[320icar]

It's probably his profile pic on POF

[Soundy]

Inb4 OP goes Bradford Chow (edit for autocorrect)

[originalhypa]

Inb4 OP goes Brandon Chow

My finger was hovering over the ban button yesterday, but I couldn't think of anything cool to say like, "It's ban-hammer time, bitch".

That's weak, and I know I can do better.

"Welcome to revscene, now get the fuck out"

"You messed with the wrong nerd"

"Thank you for lowering the collective intelligence of the site. Too bad we didn't notice until now. Buh bye"

:fuckyea:

[Lomac]

:lol

a pm from the op. He doesn't realize that I was sticking up for him.




He can't figure out why he's getting harassed.

I guess your acreage, stable of cars, and own business is the same as earning $20/hr while living in a Vancouver apartment... right?

:lol

[bloodmack]

I got a VI once for having my center console apart and in pieces.. :lawl:

:accepted:

Took it to a shop in surrey and passed with flying colours :ifyouknow:

[flagella]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/df/dff1ce4c0e8a2e6e66d87122d13298caf965537af1fa132d94 0faee5843af56d.jpg

[Tone Loc]

The op is a kid. He doesn't know any better.
Yet you rubbed his face in it. He's no different than we were at that age. So to tell him to basically give up modding cars is irresponsible at best.



Who the fuck are you calling me a kid? I'm a grown man that's 27 years old who works in the patch and has a quarter of a million saved up already... Go fuck yourself and continue on your way to your shit 20$ an hour job to pay for your one bedroom Vancouver apartment faggot.

No kidding. After reading that PM I definitely wish I "rubbed his face in it" even more, as I have completely lost all sympathy for this kid - yes, kid.

Like Soundy said above, OP... if you have a quarter of a million saved up why are you worried about a VI? Why are you driving some shitty Jetta?

You could buy 100 bone stock 1996 Integras with that :troll:

[underscore]

Got a quarter of a million saved eh? Gonna need that when he gets laid off from the patch and can't get a job because he's a fucking idiot.
I fucking hate these rig pig fucks that think they are something special because they have some cash and spout off their bank statements. Get some class, and maybe get a brain ya morans.

morans.

Joking aside, I've been around enough of these idiots to know none of them have any actual assets or savings. Everything they have is financed, and everything they make goes into paying financing or shit that has no value.

[westopher]

The morans thing was a long running joke haha. There are lots of guys that go up there on the patch and kill it. Make their money do something awesome with it and get great jobs somewhere where they are happier, or maybe they end up loving it and being happy up there, but none of them have attitudes like the OP. No one who is actually successful acts like that.

[Soundy]

Lol noob

[noclue]

I thought grande prairie got hit hard by the layoffs. That said the fact that he doesn't have a brand new one ton lifted truck with trucknutz means he's a financial genius compared to the other rig pigs.

[meme405]

I thought grande prairie got hit hard by the layoffs. That said the fact that he doesn't have a brand new one ton lifted truck with trucknutz means he's a financial genius compared to the other rig pigs.

Yes, after everything that OP has said and done within this thread and all the shit taken off his FB, it would make complete sense that he is a financial genius.

:rukidding:

[Tone Loc]

Yes, after everything that OP has said and done within this thread and all the shit taken off his FB, it would make complete sense that he is a financial genius.

:rukidding:

Well, we're all good at something...

All the evidence produced by this thread leads me to believe that finances is probably OP's best bet at not being a complete fucking idiot

[underscore]

The morans thing was a long running joke haha. There are lots of guys that go up there on the patch and kill it. Make their money do something awesome with it and get great jobs somewhere where they are happier, or maybe they end up loving it and being happy up there, but none of them have attitudes like the OP. No one who is actually successful acts like that.

Exactly, the guys that are successful look and act like average joes because they are. The ones that stand out are the clowns who are given plenty of opportunity to succeed but still manage to find a way to fail.

[white rocket]

Joking aside, I've been around enough of these idiots to know none of them have any actual assets or savings. Everything they have is financed, and everything they make goes into paying financing or shit that has no value.

Absolutely. I've dealt with tons of them over the years from a lending standpoint. Most of them forget to save for taxes and end up owing the GOV a shit ton at year end. If they haven't spent most of it on hookers, blow and booze in the meantime. That's when repo time begins. Muuhahaha!!

Just because you get a fat cheque for swinging a hammer, it doesn't make you rich or smart.

[underscore]

^ Some of the stories my brother has from his time working in private loans at the bank can make you facepalm so hard you'll be sore for a week. People making 6 figures a year for multiple years and having zero net worth so they need a vehicle loan were a common occurrence.

[Gucci Mane]

^ Some of the stories my brother has from his time working in private loans at the bank can make you facepalm so hard you'll be sore for a week. People making 6 figures a year for multiple years and having zero net worth so they need a vehicle loan were a common occurrence.

my sister works at a bank in south surrey and i hear the same stories from her. people who make 6 figures but have loans and credit card debit coming out of their ass.

[vitaminG]

People like to imagine that everyone who works out of town is a pic who blows all their money cause it makes them feel better. But for every guy who puts it all up his nose, there's a guy who's 30 and has a house paid for along with all his toys.

[Inaii]

But for every guy who puts it all up his nose, there's a guy who's 30 and has a house paid for along with all his toys.

Ex's roommate is an example of this. He's 25, has a huge house, bought and sold several cars over the year I've known him, takes trips to Europe/overseas when he isn't busy with work. He works hard for what he owns and he's one of the few that I actually admire.

[Soundy]

People like to imagine that everyone who works out of town is a pic who blows all their money cause it makes them feel better. But for every guy who puts it all up his nose, there's a guy who's 30 and has a house paid for along with all his toys.
Do those toys include an old Jetta with an outstanding VI? :toot:

[GS8]

Lulz

I'd rather be a broke ass dude with intelligence than a dumbass with money

Money can't buy IQ points

[tonyzoomzoom]

But IQ won't get you laid :P

[punkwax]

^ said someone with low IQ. :derp:

[lancer.evo]

I agree that most piss it away but a few of you have asked for proof so here it is. I'm not an asshat to people who treat me properly but when the first few pages of my thread people were being asshats to me when I was a brand new member to revscene expect to get an attitude back. Whoever is the forum moderator can delete my account thanks.

[Xu.Vi]

Just transferred 10 cents into your savings account for fun.

[Mikoyan]

Smart. Put your bank account numbers onto the internet. I hear there's a Nigerian prince that needs to move some money out of the country fast. And he'll pay you a finders's fee.

[underscore]

http://new3.fjcdn.com/pictures/Facepalm_a8b2f6_2423896.jpg

I love the new morons who show up every so often acting like we owe them something and should be agreeing with their stupidity. Fuck off, and learn how the internet works before you come back.

[lancer.evo]

I did not sign up on revscene to be an asshat. I did not create this thread to be an ignorant dick or to one up others. I made this thread as a legitimate issue of discrimination. 80 percent of the posts in the first few pages of this thread gave me a very negative first impression of revscene users. If people on this forum act like an asshat then they will get it right back. Thank you to the few people that positively gave input.

[Noran]

I agree that most piss it away but a few of you have asked for proof so here it is. I'm not an asshat to people who treat me properly but when the first few pages of my thread people were being asshats to me when I was a brand new member to revscene expect to get an attitude back. Whoever is the forum moderator can delete my account thanks.

This is the best fucking message ever submitted to RS hahahahahahaha

[underscore]

I made this thread as a legitimate issue of discrimination.

Hard to call it that when you don't have any real basis for calling it discrimination aside from your own opinion.

[Mr.C]

250k in the bank and you're pissed because of a VI? What?

[GS8]

So what did we just say about having money not equalling having brains?

I believe OP just scored the match point

[lancer.evo]

Hard to call it that when you don't have any real basis for calling it discrimination aside from your own opinion.

Thats why I was asking RS users if they have had issues with this same police officer. It was a yes or no question pretty much not asking people to pick apart why a VI was issued. The cost of the VI is irrelevant. I want to know if this officer in question is in fact issuing an abnormally high amount of VI's to modified cars since that could be classified as discrimination.

[Soundy]

I want to know if this officer in question is in fact issuing an abnormally high amount of VI's to modified cars since that could be classified as discrimination.
And then what? Charter challenge? Class action? Maybe claim it's a racial thing because he doesn't like shitty German cars? What's your next move, Matlock?

[Mining]

I did not sign up on revscene to be an asshat. I did not create this thread to be an ignorant dick or to one up others. I made this thread as a legitimate issue of discrimination. 80 percent of the posts in the first few pages of this thread gave me a very negative first impression of revscene users. If people on this forum act like an asshat then they will get it right back. Thank you to the few people that positively gave input.

That is the majority of revscene for you. If you don't agree with them, then you're wrong.

Many people avoid posting in this forum and only come here for parts for cheap.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

[mb_]

Sweet, thanks for the money dude :)

[adambomb]

How is it discrimination when a vehicle that has been issued a VI clearly does not conform to the specifications outlined by the Motor Vehicle Act? FailFish

If Cst. Sidhu is part of the traffic division and his prerogative is to ticket modified vehicles then I don't see how this is a case of discrimination. It's more of a case of him doing his job.

Cst. Sidhu wrote 100 tickets today for illegal modifications. Well, He's a cop. That's his job.
Lancer.evo came home covered in oil. Well, he works on the rigs. That's his job.


:nicethread:

[BoostedBB6]

This game looks fun!

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[BoostedBB6]

Oh wait, hang on this one is a bit better.

https://lh5.ggpht.com/eFIspHLUgAZhGQXcboduWUybxLGUtHeddoU7ElmVNyPVg3s51h yVK2Dkxkye-0d0q6g=h900

Soooooo, my points are more valid than yours because I haz the mora munniezzzz

[123654123]

25628

:facepalm:

lol OP for someone who's 27yo (I only brought up your age cause you seem butthurt about it :troll:) you sure don't know how to pick your battles and it was evident when you brought the VI issue to this forum when clearly you were breaking the law. Fast forward 2 weeks later and 7 pages in, you are still trying to win the internet over. May I ask why? In a lot of threads like yours the best option the OP could have done was to keep silent after being proven wrong but I guess you are hella bored working up there in the patch. Props to you I guess for spending your time arguing over the internet instead of spending your hard earned money on hookers and blow, but again there are still better activities.

Anyways welcome to revscene. It feels like the community knows you a lot better now as if you and revscene were close buddies, and revscene knew your bank account.


EDIT: wait so everyone is posting their bank accounts now? keep that shit out of here and start a post your bank account thread :troll:

[Soundy]

Soooooo, my points are more valid than yours because I haz the mora munniezzzz
And you're my new best friend!

[underscore]

Thats why I was asking RS users if they have had issues with this same police officer. It was a yes or no question pretty much not asking people to pick apart why a VI was issued. The cost of the VI is irrelevant. I want to know if this officer in question is in fact issuing an abnormally high amount of VI's to modified cars since that could be classified as discrimination.

I can see what you're saying, but it doesn't matter if he's issuing a high number of VI's if they're all legitimate. Yours was legitimate (you still haven't passed it) so you're hardly in a position to claim discrimination.

Only if he's issuing a high number of VI's to cars that pass without making any changes is it possible for it to be discrimination, however with the current system any officer can issue a VI to any vehicle at any time. Some people don't like it but it's a hell of a lot better for modified cars than the alternative.

[BoostedBB6]

I can see what you're saying, but it doesn't matter if he's issuing a high number of VI's if they're all legitimate. Yours was legitimate (you still haven't passed it) so you're hardly in a position to claim discrimination.

Only if he's issuing a high number of VI's to cars that pass without making any changes is it possible for it to be discrimination, however with the current system any officer can issue a VI to any vehicle at any time. Some people don't like it but it's a hell of a lot better for modified cars than the alternative.

Thats just it, none of them pass without altering something to make them pass.

I agree that the VI system is a joke, but when its for a vehicle that blatantly does not meet regulations its not discrimination, it just getting caught.

http://ndp.jacquigingras.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/CANADIAN-MONEY.jpg
Picture added because my financial status indicates how valid and right I am.

[underscore]

I agree that the VI system is a joke, but when its for a vehicle that blatantly does not meet regulations its not discrimination, it just getting caught.

It depends on how you look at it, assuming you get a VI less than once a year it's better than the alternative, which is mandatory annual inspections for every vehicle and those would suck for everyone. And even if we did have those, you'd still be able to get a roadside VI since there will always be the idiots that pass an inspection and then change the car again.

[Mr.C]

It's a really simple:

Don't want to get VI'ed? Don't do obvious stuff like slamming the car. It's like speeding. Don't want to get a ticket? Don't fucking speed lol

I think that cops are reasonably nice here. Your car is very clearly a target. Suck it up, pay to play, etc.

[TypeRNammer]

Just transferred 10 cents into your savings account for fun.

Tempted to put a nickle in there...:accepted:

[lancer.evo]

I can see what you're saying, but it doesn't matter if he's issuing a high number of VI's if they're all legitimate. Yours was legitimate (you still haven't passed it) so you're hardly in a position to claim discrimination.

Only if he's issuing a high number of VI's to cars that pass without making any changes is it possible for it to be discrimination, however with the current system any officer can issue a VI to any vehicle at any time. Some people don't like it but it's a hell of a lot better for modified cars than the alternative.

I passed it without any issues except for a tie rod which isn't a piece that a cop can see wrong.

[Soundy]

:lawl:

[underscore]

I passed it without any issues except for a tie rod which isn't a piece that a cop can see wrong.

Then you didn't really pass now did you? The cop doesn't have to see anything wrong, they just need reason to believe that your car should be inspected, which your car clearly gave them, so you got a VI which turned up a fault with your car. Sounds like the VI process served its purpose.

[adambomb]

I passed it without any issues except for a tie rod which isn't a piece that a cop can see wrong.


"Don't worry honey. I have no sexual diseases, except for a small case of herpes."

Do you not realize how stupid your justification is? PJSalt

[Grim]

Man.... Something about your friends isx50 makes me hate his and love mine... Virtually the same mod except wheels.. And he's on a flat bed and mine is on the ground.
But who am I to talk, I don't have 253k

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[originalhypa]

I'ma just leave dis here.

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[GLOW]

I'ma just leave dis here.

https://nowthatsthespot.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/dollabills.gif

kenny fuckin' powers
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[Ronin]

But IQ won't get you laid :P

You'd be surprised.

I agree that most piss it away but a few of you have asked for proof so here it is. I'm not an asshat to people who treat me properly but when the first few pages of my thread people were being asshats to me when I was a brand new member to revscene expect to get an attitude back. Whoever is the forum moderator can delete my account thanks.

LOL okay so let me tell you about a little thing called opportunity cost. How much time did you spend fighting this VI? How much money could you have earned in that time? Was it worth it?

The next time I get a ticket, I'm just going to pay that shit. I've gone more than 10 years without a ticket now so I figure if someone wants me to pay $300 for speeding, that's just 8 cents a day for all the speeding I've done. Not even worth fighting. Pick your battles.

[meme405]

The next time I get a ticket, I'm just going to pay that shit. I've gone more than 10 years without a ticket now so I figure if someone wants me to pay $300 for speeding, that's just 8 cents a day for all the speeding I've done. Not even worth fighting. Pick your battles.

I love explaining this to people.

I hear it everyday: "Fuck this $109 ticket, everyone speeds there, I'm going to fight it".

Then they proceed to wait two years for a court date, then waste 1/2 day at court for a 50/50 chance they might save $109.

Meanwhile they miss work, or classes, or time with family. Which to most people is probably worth far more than the stupid $109.

[Ronin]

Yep, opportunity cost comes into play in every financial decision I make. A ticket has to be at least a $360 one for me to take a day off to fight it.

The same decision for Boxing Day/Black Friday sales. I won't get out of bed unless I'm saving $400 or more.

In other words, OP is just losing money every minute he spends fighting this VI. Just pay your fucking ticket and use some of that money to get a better car. I don't understand all this stance bullshit. MOAR LOW! So low my car doesn't fucking work, fuck yeah!

[meme405]

In other words, OP is just losing money every minute he spends fighting this VI. Just pay your fucking ticket and use some of that money to get a better car. I don't understand all this stance bullshit. MOAR LOW! So low my car doesn't fucking work, fuck yeah!

I'm not at liberty to make fun of people for things like this...:whistle:

[fuzebox]

I agree that most piss it away but a few of you have asked for proof so here it is. I'm not an asshat to people who treat me properly but when the first few pages of my thread people were being asshats to me when I was a brand new member to revscene expect to get an attitude back. Whoever is the forum moderator can delete my account thanks.

Odd that your savings account doesn't pay any interest?

[BoostedBB6]

Odd that your savings account doesn't pay any interest?
Because its easy to add 0's in PS bro!

[smoothie.]

I agree that most piss it away but a few of you have asked for proof so here it is. I'm not an asshat to people who treat me properly but when the first few pages of my thread people were being asshats to me when I was a brand new member to revscene expect to get an attitude back. Whoever is the forum moderator can delete my account thanks.

$200k in the bank, no cell service.

Tell your parents to take their 200k back cause you're embarassing them, and then ask them to buy you a better cell plan.

:troll:

[ninjatune]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/TurboAWD/Spring%202013/image01_zpsiveoxul2.jpg

[320icar]

Still beats my TD account

#plebwhiteguyproblems

[lancer.evo]

I love explaining this to people.

I hear it everyday: "Fuck this $109 ticket, everyone speeds there, I'm going to fight it".

Then they proceed to wait two years for a court date, then waste 1/2 day at court for a 50/50 chance they might save $109.

Meanwhile they miss work, or classes, or time with family. Which to most people is probably worth far more than the stupid $109.

For lots though it's the points. I fight all mine because I don't want points on my class 1 licence.

[lancer.evo]

$200k in the bank, no cell service.

Tell your parents to take their 200k back cause you're embarassing them, and then ask them to buy you a better cell plan.

:troll:

Was on a lease in the middle of the bush 100km east of Grovedale, AB at the time. Nothing to do with parents kiddie

[Soundy]

This is starting to sound like the return of Marco911.

Inb4 Swedish Touch...

[meme405]

For lots though it's the points. I fight all mine because I don't want points on my class 1 licence.

Yeah but if you received a speeding ticket for which you have no valid excuse for disputing, and you do so anyway, that's just idiotic. You are disputing for like a 20% chance the officer doesn't show up.

People like you are exactly why disputes need to cost more than 25 bucks. Because too many losers with free time, and nothing better to do dispute tickets just cause they can.

Also a VI doesn't have points, so what the fuck is all this non-sense posted in this thread?

Your out to lunch "Kiddie", and your embarrassing yourself. So just toddle off.

[Ronin]

I last got a VI in like...2007 but I don't remember it having points...or even costing money, actually. I had front tinted windows. I was told to remove it, show a clerk at the station and it was all good.

If you got a ticket, I don't think a $109 ticket for being too low or whatever has points on it either so again, you have to ask yourself if taking a day off to not pay a hundred dollar ticket makes financial sense to you...

And you deserved the ticket. If you bring this in front of a judge and tell him you suspect the officer is targeting modified cars, the judge would just laugh at you. He has evidence. You don't.

[lancer.evo]

I last got a VI in like...2007 but I don't remember it having points...or even costing money, actually. I had front tinted windows. I was told to remove it, show a clerk at the station and it was all good.

If you got a ticket, I don't think a $109 ticket for being too low or whatever has points on it either so again, you have to ask yourself if taking a day off to not pay a hundred dollar ticket makes financial sense to you...

And you deserved the ticket. If you bring this in front of a judge and tell him you suspect the officer is targeting modified cars, the judge would just laugh at you. He has evidence. You don't.

You were not there so you have no evidence I deserved the ticket. If the vehicle defect ticket lands on days off damn rights I'm gonna be in court, if it lands on days on then they'll have to pry the money out of my wallet. I am seriously considering pulling all registrations and insurances and regi/insuring out of Alberta.

[Soundy]

I last got a VI in like...2007 but I don't remember it having points...or even costing money, actually. I had front tinted windows. I was told to remove it, show a clerk at the station and it was all good.
That's just a box 3. Illegal tint COULD also carry a separate VT.

Box 1 or box 2, you're gonna hafta pass an inspection - that's easily $100 and up, and it will find anything else that's not up to snuff, and you'll have to fix all of it, then shell out another $100+ to have it inspected again.

[BoostedBB6]

This is why hes fighting $109 tickets and VI's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/TurboAWD/Spring%202013/image01_zpsiveoxul2.jpg

That $200,000 in a high interest savings account, unless deposited that day which it couldn't be because he was at work in the "patch" and didn't even have cell reception, somehow does not accumulate any interest.....strange.
My high interest account makes loads of interest every month.

[JDMCivic]

This is why hes fighting $109 tickets and VI's.



That $200,000 in a high interest savings account, unless deposited that day which it couldn't be because he was at work in the "patch" and didn't even have cell reception, somehow does not accumulate any interest.....strange.
My high interest account makes loads of interest every month.

also why just run the basic TD green visa? put 5k into all inclusive account and run td infinite travel visa for good points. doesn't add up

[Soundy]

also why just run the basic TD green visa? put 5k into all inclusive account and run td infinite travel visa for good points. [B]doesn't add up

Only taken 11 pages you you to figure that out?

[lancer.evo]

Just delete the thread moderators I made this thread about if anyone has had problems with SIDHU over VI's not about savings accounts and only a handful of people have contributed to it and if anyone has any further questions they can pm me...

[Soundy]

Threads never get deleted on RS, your whingeing is here for all eternity.

[GabAlmighty]

.

[underscore]

You were not there so you have no evidence I deserved the ticket.

You admit right here that you deserved the ticket.

I passed it without any issues except for a tie rod