[Ronin]

WTF America...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-usa-shooting-virginia-idUSKCN0QV1HY20150826

Two television journalists were shot and killed in Virginia on Wednesday morning while conducting a live interview, and authorities said the suspect appeared to be a disgruntled current or former employee of the TV station.

Police pursued the suspect and in the late morning, an ABC local affiliate and CNN reported the suspected shooter had shot himself, but it was not known if he was dead or alive. The suspect was identified as Vester Flanagan, 41, according to a dispatcher for the Augusta County, Virginia, Sheriff's Department.

After the shooting of the journalists, someone claiming to have filmed it posted video online that appeared to be from shooter's vantage point.

The videos were posted to a Twitter account and on Facebook but were removed shortly afterward. One video clearly showed a handgun as the person filming approached the woman reporter.

The shooting occurred at about 6:45 a.m. EDT during an interview being broadcast live from Bridgewater Plaza, a Smith Mountain Lake recreation site with restaurants, shops, boating and arcades and holiday rentals.

The area is in the south-central part of the state, about 120 miles (190 km) from the capital of Richmond.

The journalists were filming an interview for the morning news show of CBS affiliate WDBJ7 in Roanoke, Virginia. In the broadcast, shots were heard and the reporter and the person being interviewed screamed and ducked for cover.

The reporter Alison Parker, 24, and the cameraman, Adam Ward, 27, died in the incident, WDBJ7 said. The woman being interviewed was wounded.

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› Video from shooter's vantage of Virginia journalists posted online
Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe said in interview on Washington radio station WTOP that the suspected shooter had been identified as a disgruntled current or former station employee.

The Franklin County Sheriff's Office has taken the lead on apprehending the suspect, with help from state police and others, McAuliffe told WTOP.

"Heartbroken over senseless murders today in Smith Mountain Lake," McAuliffe said on Twitter.

Asked on CNN if the station had been targeted or had been threatened, WDBJ7 President and General Manager Jeff Marks said, "Every now and then you get a crazy email or something and we'll look into it. Nothing of this nature than any of us could recall."

He said the interview was to mark the 50th anniversary of the founding of Smith Mountain Lake, and the woman being interviewed was from the local chamber of commerce. She had been talking about the anniversary and tourism.

"We don't make a secret of where we report from, we may start now," Marks said.

There was no word yet from the hospital on the condition of the woman, identified as Vicki Gardner, executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce.

The station's broadcast showed Parker interviewing Gardner about the lake and tourism development in the area. Gunshots erupted, and as Ward fell his camera hit the ground but kept running. An image caught on camera showed what appeared to be a man in dark clothing facing the camera with a weapon in his right hand.

The station said on its website that both the dead journalists were from the region.

Parker grew up in Martinsville and attended Patrick Henry Community College and James Madison University, while Ward graduated from Salem High School and Virginia Tech, the station said.

They were both engaged to be married to other people.

[Ronin]

The video is super fucking scary. He's standing within 5-6 feet of them with a gun drawn and fires.

...while dual wielding a phone.

[white rocket]

Heard this on the way into work this morning. Had to do a double take. Just terrible and tragic. Seems close to home as it could have been anyone. All it takes is someone to be pissed off enough and access to a weapon. A deadly combo that seems almost unpreventable or unpredictable.

Is there a video of it somewhere or has that been taken down?

[winson604]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mp-s3GGi-M

[gilly]

^ omg that is brutal to watch.

[Ronin]

Holy shit apparently he's still alive. Reports earlier were that he shot himself and died.

They were so young...reporter was 24, cameraman 27, both engaged to people that worked at the network.

[thumper]

Heard this on the way into work this morning. Had to do a double take. Just terrible and tragic. Seems close to home as it could have been anyone. All it takes is someone to be pissed off enough and access to a weapon. A deadly combo that seems almost unpreventable or unpredictable.

Is there a video of it somewhere or has that been taken down?

the video was still working when i posted this but who knows how long it will be up because it's being updated/changed as the situation progresses...


Suspected Gunman Reportedly Shoots Himself After Killing Virginia Reporter, Photographer on Live TV | KTLA (http://ktla.com/2015/08/26/active-shooter-situation-involving-tv-news-crew-in-virginia-leaves-multiple-people-injured/#ooid=x4NG43dzo_wmOPWP2u8W4QAQk71t9v45)

[nsx042003]

fucking scumbag. ooh the anger in me...coward...just a coward...

RIP...

[Hondaracer]

Wtf how did his point of view end up online?

That's fucked, weird they didn't see him when he originally drew the gun on them

[Durrann]

apparently the shooter shot himself after

Gunman shoots self after Virginia journalists shot - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shooting-wdbj/index.html)

[Ronin]

Wtf how did his point of view end up online?

That's fucked, weird they didn't see him when he originally drew the gun on them

He fucking filmed it. Phone in the left, gun in the right.

Then posted to Facebook.

[Tegra_Devil]

now im just waiting for my facebook news feed to pop up with memes "if the reporter was carrying a concealed weapon this wouldnt have happened..........guns dont kill people, people kill people"


RIP this is so sad and disgusting

[multicartual]

Disgusting cowardice

[melloman]

Shooter was an ex-employee of WDBJ7 aswell.

[chin3se604]

very sad, they were young too

[multicartual]

Black on white racially-motivated violence:


https://d.maxfile.ro/ysaatghfjj.mp4

[DKaz]

The guy waited for the cameraman to film the girl too before he decided to start shooting.

R.I.P., so young those two.

[320icar]

I've been saying this for years. America is the most fucked up country with citizens just as brain washed as the DPRK

[SkinnyPupp]

Gunman suspected of killing Virginia journalists in critical condition after shooting himself: report (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/suspect-uploads-video-of-himself-shooting-wdbj-reporters-to-his-facebook-page/)

So he was basically a crazy stalkerish disgruntled employee FailFish

[PiuYi]

^America's the widest spectrum on the planet, a TON of idiots mixed with a TON of the most intellectual/educated people in the world.... the only problem is the idiots run the show most of the time

RIP to the two deceased

[SkinnyPupp]

He fucking filmed it. Phone in the left, gun in the right.

Then posted to Facebook.
Let that sink in...

They used to make movies about murder videos existing (Menace II Society comes to mind). Now there it is, everyone watching from the murderer's perspective no less, within hours on facebook...

[van_city23]

the journalist's boyfriend was the anchor and the cameraman's fiancee was the producer or something else in the control room. Guy waited for the camera to go live so they could see it. Definitely a revenge thing

[capt_slo]

Will be interesting to see if he survives his suicide attempt since VA still uses the chair.

[subordinate]

Some nightcrawler stuff right there..

Tough to watch. Honestly, it was only a matter of time before we saw something like this. The digital age....

Will be interesting to see if he survives his suicide attempt since VA still uses the chair.


I thought it was confirmed, he died at the hospital. Too bad.

[chouchou]

The shooter has died.

Lol.. honestly, enough of this shit.... shooting after shooting after shooting. Apology after apology, statements from POTUS and others about action being taken yet we see the same bullshit time and time again. When does it stop?

[capt_slo]

Some nightcrawler stuff right there..

Tough to watch. Honestly, it was only a matter of time before we saw something like this. The digital age....




I thought it was confirmed, he died at the hospital. Too bad.

Thanks, I hadn't read the latest updates...

Such a fucked up incident.

[Hondaracer]

The shooter has died.

Lol.. honestly, enough of this shit.... shooting after shooting after shooting. Apology after apology, statements from POTUS and others about action being taken yet we see the same bullshit time and time again. When does it stop?

Never?

[Manic!]

The NRA is loving this. Every time there is a shooting the NRA says the government is going to take away our guns. Then there is a big increase in gun sales. Make more money for the gun companies who then donate more money to the NRA. Americans are so scared of the government taking away there guns that they are stock pilling ammo causing a shortage and big price increases.

[6o4__boi]

The Sandy Hook tragedy couldn't even bring about lasting changes...America, nuff said.
RIP to the victims.

[multicartual]

Black guy sought out to be offended by everything, according to his old boss


Posted "Alison made racist comments" on his Twitter after uploading the video...


All of the "white privilege" and "black lives matter" talk empowered this perpetual victim to feel that there was some big racist boogeymonster white woman he had to videotape the murder of because he was discriminated against.

[josayeee]

Black on white racially-motivated violence:


https://d.maxfile.ro/ysaatghfjj.mp4

Is this for real? I'm no gun expert and I know it's not easy to fire a gun with one hand but that was a pretty bad shot from that close. Thoughts?

[7seven]

Sounds like the shooter sent ABC news his manifesto

After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in ?Suicide Notes? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339)

A man claiming to be Bryce Williams called ABC News over the last few weeks, saying he wanted to pitch a story, and wanted to fax information. He never told ABC News what the story was.

This morning, a fax was in the machine (time stamped 8:26 a.m.) almost two hours after the shooting. A little after 10 a.m., he called again, and introduced himself as Bryce, but also said his legal name was Vester Lee Flanagan, and that he shot two people this morning. While on the phone, he said authorities are “after me,” and “all over the place.” He hung up. ABC News contacted the authorities immediately and provided them with the fax.

In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS” and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II. He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting:

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

It is unclear whose initials he is referring to. He continues, “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!” He said Jehovah spoke to him, telling him to act.

Later in the manifesto, the writer quotes the Virginia Tech mass killer, Seung Hui Cho, calls him “his boy,” and expresses admiration for the Columbine High School killers. “Also, I was influenced by Seung–Hui Cho. That’s my boy right there. He got NEARLY double the amount that Eric Harris and Dylann Klebold got…just sayin.'"

In an often rambling letter to the authorities, and family and friends, he writes of a long list of grievances. In one part of the document, Williams calls it a “Suicide Note for Friends and Family."

He says has suffered racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work
He says he has been attacked by black men and white females
He talks about how he was attacked for being a gay, black man
“Yes, it will sound like I am angry...I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this Earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace....”

“The church shooting was the tipping point…but my anger has been building steadily...I’ve been a human powder keg for a while…just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”

[multicartual]

This is a new trend for losers


Also, everyone who failed me before for calling this a racially-motivated killing should publicly apologize and perhaps take me to butter chicken at 49th and Main. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[pastarocket]

RIP to the victims. :heckno:

What can be done to deal with the level of gun violence in the U.S? -such a heated topic with gun owners wanting the right to bear arms under the U.S. Constitution vs. people who advocate more gun control.

Shit gets real every day in the USA when you have more guns than the entire U.S. population. :heckno:

[Ronin]

American gun lovers are a dangerous combination of stubborn and stupid.

[Harvey Specter]

I'm not a gun supporter, far from it, but even the most strictest guns laws (look at Chicago) will not prevent these types of incidents. Idiots like this guy will always find a way to obtain a gun, if they can't obtain a gun than they'll resort to other deadly weapons like knives. There's no way to prevent these type of incidents.

[dvst8]

Didn't watch the vid and don't plan on to. Respect. Rest in peace to those two reporters.

[bossha]

Video was quite shocking.

Rip to the deceased.

[_cd5]

Cold Blooded: TV News Reporter & Cameraman Fatally Shot During Live Broadcast In Virginia (Warning Graphic) - World Star Uncut (http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/85605)

[bumsuck]

I wonder if doctors ever analyze the brains of the people that commit these types of acts, like they do with dead Hockey players. It would be interesting to know about this guy's brain, because it seems like some sort of mental illness is often associated with these types of people.

[hud 91gt]

Sounds like the shooter sent ABC news his manifesto

After Shooting, Alleged Gunman Details Grievances in ?Suicide Notes? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339)

Knowing a fair bit of the JW religion I take his entire manifesto and toss it in the garbage. haha. Just sounds like a bunch of racial BS trying to stir up shit from a crazy man. People are messed up these days.

I watched the video, and read some articles, did the newscaster/cameraman actually get hit? Injured? I don't see anything about that.

[nsmb]

I watched the video, and read some articles, did the newscaster/cameraman actually get hit? Injured? I don't see anything about that.

theyre fine man srs. they even interviewed the gunman after

[Ronin]

I watched the video, and read some articles, did the newscaster/cameraman actually get hit? Injured? I don't see anything about that.

For real?

This feels like a "...but why male models?" moment.

[hud 91gt]

I just re read the article you posted. Not sure how I missed the first sentence. Poor SOB's.

[RRxtar]

found this on another forum.


- Deranged jackass has a problem with a coworker
- Decides the best way to deal with it is to commit multiple premeditated murders
- While the victims are on live TV
- As the murderer films it for posting to the world
- After he sends a 23-page racist rant to a news station
- Followed by running from police then committing suicide

Some people can actually look at all that, and solely fixate on his weapon choice as the problem?

[SkinnyPupp]

found this on another forum.


- Deranged jackass has a problem with a coworker
- Decides the best way to deal with it is to commit multiple premeditated murders
- While the victims are on live TV
- As the murderer films it for posting to the world
- After he sends a 23-page racist rant to a news station
- Followed by running from police then committing suicide

Some people can actually look at all that, and solely fixate on his weapon choice as the problem?

Exactly. This is more of a mental healthcare issue than it is a gun issue or racism issue.

[Hondaracer]

crazies gon' crazy

[AzNightmare]

I didn't see this thread until now, so I had to do some digging for the videos.
For anyone else that missed them, watch them quick in case they get taken down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clToEGTKiD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vleeiXiiWeQ



:heckno:

Pretty fucked up... He was standing there the whole time. Even drew his gun and pointed it at the reporter and then withdrew it and waited.
Unfortunate that she or the interviewer couldn't catch it in their peripheral vision. Cameraman had no chance....

[ImportPsycho]

how did two women never noticed the gun when he first put it up?
had it right up to her face

not that, that would've made much of difference..

[danned]

rip rip

[matter]

you ever stared at a camera with a LED floodlight on top? you cant see shit.

Also they are professionals, so they aren't looking around all over the place during a live interview.

[multicartual]

Exactly. This is more of a mental healthcare issue than it is a gun issue or racism issue.


Trump 2016!!!

[Lomac]

Exactly. This is more of a mental healthcare issue than it is a gun issue or racism issue.

The unfortunate thing is that people are even less likely to admit America has a mental healthcare issue than a gun control issue.

[Ronin]

how did two women never noticed the gun when he first put it up?
had it right up to her face

not that, that would've made much of difference..

If you've ever been on live TV, the words "Don't fuck up, you're on live TV." run through your head the entire time. The fact that they didn't notice doesn't surprise me.

[multicartual]

The unfortunate thing is that people are even less likely to admit America has a mental healthcare issue than a gun control issue.



That is because we are a tolerant people who literally tolerate the most insane fucking people with kid gloves right up until the moment they snap.

[Tone Loc]

The shooter has died.

Lol.. honestly, enough of this shit.... shooting after shooting after shooting. Apology after apology, statements from POTUS and others about action being taken yet we see the same bullshit time and time again. When does it stop?

It'll never stop.

America has a ton of problems; racial tensions, lack of meaningful gun control, mismanagement of mental health issues, and most of all... ignorance. People gasp and cry for about 10 minutes about stuff like this, and then change the channel so they can watch Survivor.

Mix all of those together and you get this incident. My condolences go out to the victims and their families, but at the end of the day this incident is not the first nor will it be the last. The majority of people in America are too busy watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians to give a fuck about the real issues plaguing their country...

[white rocket]

^^^Absolutely!!

Mental Health IS the concern here. Nothing else. If he ran them over we wouldn't be asking for better automobile control. Weapons can be found and made from pretty much anything. Why the guy was in the state that he was in is the real question and the root of the problem.

[Bouncing Bettys]

America's answer to mental health is an increasingly militarized police force, prisons, and privatized healthcare.

[white rocket]

Fixed! I'm sure that's where you were going with it anyway.

America's causing mental health with an increasingly militarized police force, prisons, and privatized healthcare.

[underscore]

I'm not a gun supporter, far from it, but even the most strictest guns laws (look at Chicago) will not prevent these types of incidents. Idiots like this guy will always find a way to obtain a gun, if they can't obtain a gun than they'll resort to other deadly weapons like knives. There's no way to prevent these type of incidents.

You say that, but having a gun still makes it easier for people like this to kill someone, and the laws in the US make it easier to acquire a gun. Sure they can try using other weapons, but the victims have worse odds against a gun than anything else.

Exactly. This is more of a mental healthcare issue than it is a gun issue or racism issue.

Why not all of the above? The problem can be not preventing the mentally unwell from purchasing firearms but if you even suggest that anyone be restricted in any way so many dense idiots would lose their shit it's unbelievable.

[CharlesInCharge]

Sometimes I just dont know whats real anymore... why wouldnt an expensive tv camera pickup such a hue of blue... edit the shirt is even suppose to have white lines on it.

https://i.imgur.com/ph5QxSn.jpg

Crisis Actor Compilation
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO5aUzeSoMU

edit 2
Her actual bf
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM36qduWrvg

edit 3
Watching both videos at the same time, they look synced so the shirt is probably the same. Just the fathers reaction seems so fake... just like Sandy Hooks Robbie Parker.
Here is the dad crying on CNN's Anderson 360
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU49vTEhE3w

[Lomac]

Y'know, I'd use my 16 years of film experience as a camera operator and film editor to explain why one camera would pick up colours differently than another, but the last time I tried doing that you said I was wrong and aligned with the evil doers.

[CharlesInCharge]

And we see today that you were wrong about those artifacts, not only were they not consistent with anything else... they were in fact manipulated as the whole Boston event was a false flag.
Plus lets not forget the evidence that I found out myself... your experience and common sense was absent to confirm it... you probably even made fun of my findings.
edit
Currently the FBI has pictured and states the blown backpack by the younger brother was black... yet hes seen in the videos hold a white one.

[multicartual]

Aas the whole Boston event was a false flag.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zPoEF9riJyY/UY8sqxLGunI/AAAAAAAAAec/JrlLc-qwCMs/s1600/tin-foil-hat-3.jpg

[Hondaracer]

You say that, but having a gun still makes it easier for people like this to kill someone, and the laws in the US make it easier to acquire a gun. Sure they can try using other weapons, but the victims have worse odds against a gun than anything else.



Why not all of the above? The problem can be not preventing the mentally unwell from purchasing firearms but if you even suggest that anyone be restricted in any way so many dense idiots would lose their shit it's unbelievable.

Who says they need to purchase them when there are 300 million in circulation

Preventing crazies from buying them may be a step, but as the other posters layed out, if you're crazy enough to write 25 page manifestos and murder people then upload a video to Facebook, odds are stricter purchasing laws aren't going to prevent you from killing

[Soundy]

And we see today that you were wrong about those artifacts, not only were they not consistent with anything else... they were in fact manipulated as the whole Boston event was a false flag.
Plus lets not forget the evidence that I found out myself... your experience and common sense was absent to confirm it... you probably even made fun of my findings.
edit
Currently the FBI has pictured and states the blown backpack by the younger brother was black... yet hes seen in the videos hold a white one.

Well, I see the REAL CiC is back.

CRAY CRAY IN DA HIZZAAAAAY
FailFish

[Ronin]

No. We're not doing this.

I can't imagine what it's like being in CiC head where nothing is what it seems, everyone is lying and no one believes you.

But either way, banned from this thread.

[twitchyzero]

every time we get a US shooting thread the irony runs high

just because George W Bush was elected twice doesn't mean the average American can be found on peopleofWalmart.com

Go ahead and call them ignorant while you forget that they have silicon valley and wall street and the global economy will seize to exist without them.

Get vocal about their system, fine. Get frustrated at how they handle mental health, even better...but having a superiority complex just looks bad.

and because the video shows the gunman holding the weapon in first person view...now video games are being examined again for desensitizing violence :facepalm:

[Soundy]

No. We're not doing this.

I can't imagine what it's like being in CiC head where nothing is what it seems, everyone is lying and no one believes you.

But either way, banned from this thread.
For a little bit there he was almost seeming normal, I was starting to think the Fukushima radiation was finally having its desired effect.

[Great68]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBOk1SnQ8uU

[underscore]

Who says they need to purchase them when there are 300 million in circulation

Preventing crazies from buying them may be a step, but as the other posters layed out, if you're crazy enough to write 25 page manifestos and murder people then upload a video to Facebook, odds are stricter purchasing laws aren't going to prevent you from killing

So nobody should bother trying to fix something if you can't fix it 100%? Sounds brilliant.

[Ronin]

every time we get a US shooting thread the irony runs high

just because George W Bush was elected twice doesn't mean the average American can be found on peopleofWalmart.com

Go ahead and call them ignorant while you forget that they have silicon valley and wall street and the global economy will seize to exist without them.

Get vocal about their system, fine. Get frustrated at how they handle mental health, even better...but having a superiority complex just looks bad.

and because the video shows the gunman holding the weapon in first person view...now video games are being examined again for desensitizing violence :facepalm:

There's really two Americas and there always has been. Why do you think there was a Civil War? And even today, those two sides aren't really on the same page. Why do you think the Confederate Flag still exists? Why does the Tea Party exist?

The good parts of America are the West Coast and that Eastern part that includes New York but everything in between is a barren wasteland of backwards inbred idiots that think being a Christian is about hating gay people and Mexicans. I've been to Wyoming. I've been to Arkansas. And Georgia. And Utah. It's goddamn awful. Texas is actually halfway alright, really but you can safely say that at least half of America is stupid by even by the most participant medal standards. At least.

[sonick]

And we see today that you were wrong about those artifacts, not only were they not consistent with anything else... they were in fact manipulated as the whole Boston event was a false flag.
Plus lets not forget the evidence that I found out myself... your experience and common sense was absent to confirm it... you probably even made fun of my findings.
edit
Currently the FBI has pictured and states the blown backpack by the younger brother was black... yet hes seen in the videos hold a white one.

http://media.makeameme.org/created/artifacts-artifacts-everywhere-t5rrc3.jpg

[CivicBlues]

There's really two Americas and there always has been. Why do you think there was a Civil War? And even today, those two sides aren't really on the same page. Why do you think the Confederate Flag still exists? Why does the Tea Party exist?

The good parts of America are the West Coast and that Eastern part that includes New York but everything in between is a barren wasteland of backwards inbred idiots that think being a Christian is about hating gay people and Mexicans. I've been to Wyoming. I've been to Arkansas. And Georgia. And Utah. It's goddamn awful. Texas is actually halfway alright, really but you can safely say that at least half of America is stupid by even by the most participant medal standards. At least.

Lots of places in "flyover country" don't really fit that mold. New Orleans, Chicago, Austin, Denver just to name a few.

Let's just call it an Urban-Suburban-Rural divide which is pretty much the case the world over. But then I've been called a "fucking Asian" in Bellingham, but had an awesome time in Rural Louisiana. People are just people in the end.

[westopher]

So nobody should bother trying to fix something if you can't fix it 100%? Sounds brilliant.
THANK YOU.
Everyone says, oh if they can't find a gun legally they would just find one anyways.
How many would it prevent if they couldn't just go to a fucking store and pick one up with a box of bullets and a bottle of coke? I fucking promise it would be more than none. Violence is so incredibly often a reactionary experience. The more time and effort someone has to go through to commit a crime, the more chance there is of it being either
A) Prevented
B) Given up
Its like when people are asked about the gun violence in America, they just say ahhhhh fuck it. If their gun laws weren't an issue they wouldn't have as much gun violence. Its pretty simple. Its not fucking 1846 anymore and people don't need guns to protect themselves from their government which is why the second amendment was created in the first place.

[Hondaracer]

That type of mentality, albeit completely rational, obviously doesn't exist in the states for a large portion of the population

[westopher]

It will take a generation to change it, but it needs to be instilled in children's education that gun violence is not whatsoever "normal" or a positive part of American culture.

[Sid Vicious]

There's really two Americas and there always has been. Why do you think there was a Civil War? And even today, those two sides aren't really on the same page. Why do you think the Confederate Flag still exists? Why does the Tea Party exist?

The good parts of America are the West Coast and that Eastern part that includes New York but everything in between is a barren wasteland of backwards inbred idiots that think being a Christian is about hating gay people and Mexicans. I've been to Wyoming. I've been to Arkansas. And Georgia. And Utah. It's goddamn awful. Texas is actually halfway alright, really but you can safely say that at least half of America is stupid by even by the most participant medal standards. At least.

how relevant to this topic, considering the shooter was black and gay.

[Ronin]

twitchyzero was saying something about how most Americans aren't Wal-mart weirdos and he's right...almost exactly half of America is and the other half is normal people.

[RRxtar]

THANK YOU.
Everyone says, oh if they can't find a gun legally they would just find one anyways.
How many would it prevent if they couldn't just go to a fucking store and pick one up with a box of bullets and a bottle of coke? I fucking promise it would be more than none. Violence is so incredibly often a reactionary experience. The more time and effort someone has to go through to commit a crime, the more chance there is of it being either
A) Prevented
B) Given up
Its like when people are asked about the gun violence in America, they just say ahhhhh fuck it. If their gun laws weren't an issue they wouldn't have as much gun violence. Its pretty simple. Its not fucking 1846 anymore and people don't need guns to protect themselves from their government which is why the second amendment was created in the first place.
but why does 'gun control' have to mean take everyones guns away from them. why cant gun control mean make acquiring a firearm license be more like canada with a detailed application process, strict screening, mandatory multi-day training, an exam, and 30+ day wait time? in canada its pretty common for someone who had mild depression as a teenager over a decade ago for it to take 12 months and several references before they approve their license application.

[Noir]

but why does 'gun control' have to mean take everyones guns away from them. why cant gun control mean make acquiring a firearm license be more like canada with a detailed application process, strict screening, mandatory multi-day training, an exam, and 30+ day wait time? in canada its pretty common for someone who had mild depression as a teenager over a decade ago for it to take 12 months and several references before they approve their license application.

Not sure what everyone else had in mind, but isn't that exactly what gun control/regulation means? Taking everyone's guns away to me wouldn't be gun control but more like a firearms ban (which I really wouldn't mind either way).

[Soundy]

but why does 'gun control' have to mean take everyones guns away from them. why cant gun control mean make acquiring a firearm license be more like canada with a detailed application process, strict screening, mandatory multi-day training, an exam, and 30+ day wait time? in canada its pretty common for someone who had mild depression as a teenager over a decade ago for it to take 12 months and several references before they approve their license application.

Not sure what everyone else had in mind, but isn't that exactly what gun control/regulation means? Taking everyone's guns away to me wouldn't be gun control but more like a firearms ban (which I really wouldn't mind either way).

That's just the thing, I don't think most liberals' version of gun control means taking them all away... but to your average NRA-card-carrying-conservative, that's exactly what it means.

America is the land of black-and-white, in more ways than one. There is no middle ground, it's either one way or the other.

[Great68]

"That bushmaster gun that the kid used in Sandy Hook cost $1000 american, you can buy it in Walmart and it'll be delivered to your house. That same gun in Australia on the black market cost $34,000.
Now if you have $34,000 you don't need to be a criminal, you've got $34,000 you're a great little saver, keep going!"

"The kid in Colorado who thought he was the joker, let's say that he had some "social issues". The kid at Sandy Hook was aspergers as fuck. I don't know if you know a lot about the black market, but you can't just rock up at the docks going:
GUNS! WHO WANTS TO SELL ME A GUUUUUUN!!!"

- Jim Jeffries. Fucking spot on.

[Ronin]

Sometimes I think comedians are the only sane ones among us.

[AzNightmare]

"That bushmaster gun that the kid used in Sandy Hook cost $1000 american, you can buy it in Walmart and it'll be delivered to your house. That same gun in Australia on the black market cost $34,000.
Now if you have $34,000 you don't need to be a criminal, you've got $34,000 you're a great little saver, keep going!"

"The kid in Colorado who thought he was the joker, let's say that he had some "social issues". The kid at Sandy Hook was aspergers as fuck. I don't know if you know a lot about the black market, but you can't just rock up at the docks going:
GUNS! WHO WANTS TO SELL ME A GUUUUUUN!!!"

- Jim Jeffries. Fucking spot on.

I never heard of this guy.
Video was worth my every 15 mins and 57 seconds to watch.

[Ronin]

It was posted like 10 posts ago...

[underscore]

but why does 'gun control' have to mean take everyones guns away from them.

Where did he mention taking anyones guns away? The entire post you quoted talks about people buying new guns, nowhere in there does it say anything about existing guns, yet you still pull the full NRA response and assume that any slight mention of controlling who could buy a new gun means somebody is going to drive around the country taking everyones existing guns away. It's that kind of mentality that makes people question the intelligence of gun owners.

[westopher]

That response was an example of the gun lover thinking any mention of making guns more difficult to acquire means a raid of their house by the secret obama communist police taking all of their guns away.
As I said, it should be more difficult than walking into a sports store and buying a gun. There needs to be more regulation. I don't think everyone needs to throw their guns in an incinerator to help curb the gun violence in america to some extent.