[CharlesInCharge]

The first picture here is of a British Colombian fish farm.... so Im thinking how cheap would it be to buy a plot of land for the purpose of making a fish farm then floating a luxurious boat that will service as a residence and "fish farm filter cleaner station".

Plot of land... $100,000
Flintstone swimming pool $5,000
Plywood (cheap CNC technology structured) and stainless steel house boat sourced from old airstream campers $25,000
Luxurious interior $20,000
Would the gigantic dome canopy be necessary?

so for $150,000, barely any yearly property tax, and unconventional living would it possible to beat the rat race this way?
http://i.imgur.com/GkaO3lz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L3Np4Iz.jpg

[320icar]

Hitting the chronic pretty hard today?

[Hondaracer]

lol

edit* regardless of whether you're floating on water or not, i dont think you can legally live on remote properties full time?

i know there are a few elderly couples who live up near Logan lake where my family has a cabin. They live in their cabin full time which is essentially a nice house with full septic etc. some sort of law prevents them from living there full time, whether its a tax thing or what, i'm not sure, so they have either a postal box or a residence at a rental place at logan lake in order to live within regulations?

i dunno somthing like that

[CharlesInCharge]

regardless of whether you're floating on water or not, i dont think you can legally live on remote properties full time? Maybe not if its work related... the "farm" would probably allow for some structure\cabin to be erected or an existing farm house where one can "say" he/she lives in.
Maybe farm zoned land isnt this cheap within an hour of Vancouver.

[underscore]

I'm pretty sure you could live in a mobile home, which would be larger, nicer, and have better resale, for cheaper than this. As an added bonus you wouldn't have to worry about the city giving you shit for using the land outside of what it's zoned for.

[CharlesInCharge]

If that was legal, wouldnt many people be doing that already?

[underscore]

It is legal, I'm pretty sure I've seen mobile home parks in the GVRD.

[CharlesInCharge]

You have to pay rent to stay in one.

[underscore]

I'd wager the strata is lower than the cost of running your fish farm boat parking lot.

[SkinnyPupp]

PowerfulSharpFrillneckedlizard

[CharlesInCharge]

I'd wager the strata is lower than the cost of running your fish farm boat parking lot. You cant compare a Strata apartment with the detached ownership and huge space of farmland. Problem is I cant find a cheap piece of land an hour from downtown. Only this one property in Richmond which is still $285k. This is ridiculous.
BC Farm & Ranch Realty Corp. - LT 45B Shell Road Trail (http://www.bcfarmandranch.com/advanced-search/all-properties/property/301-lt-45b-shell-road-trail-richmond)

[underscore]

Mobile homes are detached, and if the rest of your numbers are as off as your property cost estimate then your total is up over $400k, which buys you at least a 3 bedroom house anywhere in BC but the GVRD.

[jinxcrusader]

CiC topic.. of course..

[godwin]

All your harebrained schemes missed on important component.. LAND. The physical dwelling ie the house is cheap when compared with the value of the land it is sitting on. Short of buying your own dredger and make new land like what China is doing, you won't be able to get any new land.

You want to live cheap yet in the Lower Mainland? Marry into any of the first nations, Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh etc. Though some bands dosn't allow mixed marriages to be on reserve. Perhaps you can file a human rights lawsuit regarding that.

[godwin]

Farmland that is in a municipality (basically all the land in the Lower Mainland) still have comply with municipal planning and rules. You can't have multiple dwellings etc. It is for liability and taxation purposes.

Maybe not if its work related... the "farm" would probably allow for some structure\cabin to be erected or an existing farm house where one can "say" he/she lives in.

[CharlesInCharge]

I can imagine they'd still have some kind of "un-harmonized" rules even if my fish farming techniques were harming no one and hidden away in a large tent.
Mobile homes are detached, and if the rest of your numbers are as off as your property cost estimate then your total is up over $400k, which buys you at least a 3 bedroom house anywhere in BC but the GVRD.You cant buy a $150k plot of residential land then park your mobile home there to live... its illegal.

I believe my estimates are correct except for the farmland which I see is still over half a million in places as far as Chilliwack.

....

You want to live cheap yet in the Lower Mainland? Marry into any of the first nations, Musqueam, Tsleil-Waututh etc. Though some bands dosn't allow mixed marriages to be on reserve. Perhaps you can file a human rights lawsuit regarding that. :p

[SoNaRWaVe]

buying a RV is a much cheaper solution. just rotate your parking spots. easy peasy.

you asked, why aren't more people doing it? its because nobody wants to be cramped up in a tiny space. and its not very inviting to hosts guests, unless you all are on the same mind set.

[CharlesInCharge]

Rotating the parking spots is the problem... may as well buy a warehouse for 120k and stealthily live in a micro trailer house that way.
??Small warehouse - Port Kells - For Sale?? (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/off/5094089358.html)

[underscore]

You cant buy a $150k plot of residential land then park your mobile home there to live... its illegal.

You put a mobile home in a mobile home park, which is completely legal since there's a bunch of them around.

http://www.mobile-home-parks-forsale.com/images/LazyLanding3.jpg

And as you've determined, you can't buy any land for $150k. But you can buy something like this for under $100k. 18-45640 Watson Road, Chilliwack, BC, Mfd/Mobile Home For Sale | REW.ca (http://www.rew.ca/properties/H2153301/18-45640-watson-road-chilliwack?property_type=mfd-mobile-home&property_browse=sardis-chilliwack-area-bc)

3 bed, 2 bath, 924 sqft, reno'd in 2012, with a yard and a shed. Taxes are $526/yr and you won't have to smell like fish.

[punkwax]

Shit ya. Get yourself a double wide.
https://worstofehow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/trailer-park-boys.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

You put a mobile home in a mobile home park, which is completely legal since there's a bunch of them around.. Yeah but those parks have monthly fees same as if youre paying rent.

And as you've determined, you can't buy any land for $150k. But you can buy something like this for under $100k. .I guess one of these cheap houses would be good if it has parking for a large trailer house.

Surprisingly, heres a crap house with a decent driveway for 30k located near the boarder.
edit - never mind it has some kind of "pad rent" and part of a "park".
# 228 1840 160 ST, Surrey, British Columbia $ V4A4X4 - F1449272 | Realtor.ca (http://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/16034576/-228-1840-160-ST-Surrey-British-Columbia-V4A4X4)
http://cdn.realtor.ca/listing/TS635751417526200000/reb6/highres/2/f1449272_1.jpg

Using the Wikihouse CNC methods I would build a luxurious trailer house and try to use that without my neighbours complaining. Better then nothing perhaps. edit - so yeah for $100k these mobile homes in Chilliwack are still too expensive with its limited freedoms. It may be best to rent a Burnaby detached home, rent the rooms out to friends, and live in the driveway\backyard in a nice trailer house.
http://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/caravisio-concept-caravan-by-knaus-tabbert9.jpg

[underscore]

Yeah but those parks have monthly fees same as if youre paying rent.
I guess one of these cheap houses would be good if it has parking for a large trailer house.

Most do, but if you mortgage $100k of the mobile home and pay $400/mo pad rental you're still under a grand a mnth for a decent sized place with a yard and driveway.

[Matlock]

Or you could just buy a boat and live in any marina. My mother and stepfather did this in the 90s. The neighbors were akin to people who would live in a trailer park, but some might be considered a bit "fancier-types" if they live in a nice sailboat and actually travel in it.

I don't know how much marina docking fees + electricity would cost for a boat these days... But it was considered cheap back then and if you want to move you just go to a different marina or shipyard!

[BrRsn]

Hitting the chronic pretty hard today?

don't lump stoners with this fucking clown

[sdubfid]

If you train all the fish to swim in circles you could create a whirlpool which would turn a generator to make electricity.

[SoNaRWaVe]

Rotating the parking spots is the problem... may as well buy a warehouse for 120k and stealthily live in a micro trailer house that way.
??Small warehouse - Port Kells - For Sale?? (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/off/5094089358.html)


how is that a problem? its not hard to relocate once a day or heck, even once a week. your odds of being found by a by law officer is pretty much zilch unless someone complains.

there's SO many spots open.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

If you train all the fish to swim in circles you could create a whirlpool which would turn a generator to make electricity.

hahahaha....

[CharlesInCharge]

Most do, but if you mortgage $100k of the mobile home and pay $400/mo pad rental you're still under a grand a mnth for a decent sized place with a yard and driveway.Its too far away to be paying so much in fees a month.

Or you could just buy a boat and live in any marina. My mother and stepfather did this in the 90s. The neighbors were akin to people who would live in a trailer park, but some might be considered a bit "fancier-types" if they live in a nice sailboat and actually travel in it.

I don't know how much marina docking fees + electricity would cost for a boat these days... But it was considered cheap back then and if you want to move you just go to a different marina or shipyard!From word of mouth I hear its $450 to dock in Richmond... and upwards to 1500K a month in Vancouver. Plus theres always a fear of drowsing in the back of your mind.

If you train all the fish to swim in circles you could create a whirlpool which would turn a generator to make electricity.:D Then you'd really have everything!
Ideally a geothermal setup of naturally circulating water (due change of temperature when water reaches the surface) might have enough streaming power to generate some.

how is that a problem? its not hard to relocate once a day or heck, even once a week. your odds of being found by a by law officer is pretty much zilch unless someone complains.

there's SO many spots open.Well technically you could even live in Vancouver neighbourhoods like that... one can park on these streets for 72 hours.
But a stationary solution is needed... I think the following is probably best. edit- but rather sub-renting then buying a house.
http://minimotives.com/2014/06/25/where-can-you-park-a-tiny-house/
http://i.imgur.com/okAzoUb.jpg

Other good reads
http://thetinylife.com/solutions-to-the-top-5-barriers-of-the-tiny-house-movement/
http://thetinylife.com/part-two-solutions-to-the-top-5-barriers-of-the-tiny-house-movement/

[Matlock]

If you have lots of money and really want to save, I remember seeing a post on Reddit... correct me if I'm wrong or you have the link I'm just making this up from my selective memory...

The guy had a house with a huge lot, built a concrete bunker in the back near the woods with power and water... sold the house and continued to live in the bunker without the owners knowing. Creepy + thrifty

[SoNaRWaVe]

well the whole point of buying an RV is so that a stationary solution is not needed. its mobile for a reason.

[CharlesInCharge]

There is stress involved that way.
Youre better off using your social engineering skills in finding a landlord that is willing to supply you with internet, water, sewage and metered electricity for like $300 a month. Thats $3600 a year.

I just designed this legal (no permit needed) shed/road trailer. What makes it really great is the sliding (100 skate bearings) compartment which would connect to the back of the van when stationary... making for a continuous open space. Inside the house theres a ladder leading up to a top level bed and the outside uses cheap vacuum formed plastic panels wrapping the cheap plywood CNC'd structure with its strong skeletal walls and insulation in between. A 10K Sprinter van, used RV equipment, and the trailer setup should be all under $25k. (not including the CNC machine\work)
http://i.imgur.com/wsnSTu0.jpg

Heres one open source WIKI-house design thats being used.
http://www.treehugger.com/tiny-houses/tiny-house-meets-digital-fabrication-foundhouse.html

How it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6T2209aGtI

Throw one of these 4k CNC kits inside a $500 cargo van and youre good to go in starting a positive community business.
http://i.imgur.com/E3tdCzB.jpg

If you have lots of money and really want to save, I remember seeing a post on Reddit... correct me if I'm wrong or you have the link I'm just making this up from my selective memory...

The guy had a house with a huge lot, built a concrete bunker in the back near the woods with power and water... sold the house and continued to live in the bunker without the owners knowing. Creepy + thrifty

Wow, I'll have to read that up some day.
Checkout this guys underground barrel house. It would be nice to set one up in Stanely Park :p
http://www.tinyhousedesign.com/500-fuel-storage-tank-shelter-gives-me-an-idea/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TinyHouseDesign+%28Tiny+House +Design%29

[CharlesInCharge]

Eye candy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRoEQRbNKFg

[CP.AR]

A lot of my coworkers in HK Live on luxury yachts moored somewhere for 1/2 the price of your average flat in hong Kong. in addition to getting a living space of a couple thousand sqft, you also avoid the stamp duty and property taxes.

[quasi]

http://i.imgur.com/okAzoUb.jpg

How is this any different then all the people that buy a house and add suites for rental income at least to some extent? I guess my point is it's not really a fresh idea it's done all the time except most people prefer to not live in a van down by the river or a trailer in their back yard they stay in part of the house.

[CharlesInCharge]

By living in the backyard you maximize your profits where by still living in the house you dont maximize your profits.
A lot of my coworkers in HK Live on luxury yachts moored somewhere for 1/2 the price of your average flat in hong Kong. in addition to getting a living space of a couple thousand sqft, you also avoid the stamp duty and property taxes.Seems like the more money one has the more loop holes you go through.

[dat_steve]

your photoshops are da bomb lol

[godwin]

Plenty of people are doing the RV thing already in Vancouver.. just drive to Glen Drive and Terminal Streetview for fun and giggles (https://goo.gl/maps/Ehn60). Once a while you see them fight for the space underneath the bridge or even Spanish Banks. Again, none of your schemes solve the "land" part of the housing issue. In fact I would argue, since your concepts are all 1 story and can't scale up (literally).. you solutions will exacerbate the problem.

I depends on what kind of CNC you are doing.. I definitely don't want have to calibrate a CNC every time I move the truck around.

There is stress involved that way.
Youre better off using your social engineering skills in finding a landlord that is willing to supply you with internet, water, sewage and metered electricity for like $300 a month. Thats $3600 a year.

I just designed this legal (no permit needed) shed/road trailer. What makes it really great is the sliding (100 skate bearings) compartment which would connect to the back of the van when stationary... making for a continuous open space. Inside the house theres a ladder leading up to a top level bed and the outside uses cheap vacuum formed plastic panels wrapping the cheap plywood CNC'd structure with its strong skeletal walls and insulation in between. A 10K Sprinter van, used RV equipment, and the trailer setup should be all under $25k. (not including the CNC machine\work)

[CharlesInCharge]

Plenty of people are doing the RV thing already in Vancouver.. just drive to Glen Drive and Terminal Streetview for fun and giggles (https://goo.gl/maps/Ehn60). Once a while you see them fight for the space underneath the bridge or even Spanish Banks. Note that regular RV's arent insulated like a house and are not safe... people living like in those old camper conversions make this idea to look ugly.
For 2-3 night times I took my generator and angle grinder to that road to cut a hole in a metal keg I was planning to use as a wood stove oven for my van. The police rolled by once and luckily I wasnt hacking away at that moment.

Again, none of your schemes solve the "land" part of the housing issue..You'll have to elaborate... maybe your next comment will answer it.

In fact I would argue, since your concepts are all 1 story and can't scale up (literally).. you solutions will exacerbate the problem. Sure you can make it two story... I dont see how it would exacerbate the problem or to what extent youre thinking of.

I depends on what kind of CNC you are doing.. I definitely don't want have to calibrate a CNC every time I move the truck around.The cargo van is meant to replace having a need for a workshop.


edit
This Australian ladies book sized solar panel, after a days of full charge, will last here half a week in her electrical needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDP86WD1qMA

[Manic!]

Throw one of these 4k CNC kits inside a $500 cargo van and youre good to go in starting a positive community business.
http://i.imgur.com/E3tdCzB.jpg



You can buy a 4 x8 foot CNC machine for $4000? Tell me where because I will buy one right now. I'm 100% serous.

[CharlesInCharge]

Its a kit you assemble. It should even come with videos... see the makers website.
Price: US $3,499.00
CNC Router Machine Kit 4 Foot x 8 Foot V4 3 "Blackfoot" by Buildyourcnc | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-Machine-Kit-4-foot-X-8-foot-v4-3-blackFoot-by-BuildYourCNC-/380466651968)

[Manic!]

Its a kit you assemble. It should even come with videos... see the makers website.
Price: US $3,499.00
CNC Router Machine Kit 4 Foot x 8 Foot V4 3 "Blackfoot" by Buildyourcnc | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-Machine-Kit-4-foot-X-8-foot-v4-3-blackFoot-by-BuildYourCNC-/380466651968)

Thats nothing like the one in your pic. Also thats US pricing plus $600 shipping and then you need a computer, Router, bits, dust collector, software and you still have to assemble it. You are looking at over $8000 all said and done. I would go with 2 computers so you can design while the machine cuts. Also lets not forget all the power your going to need to run it all.

[godwin]

The wooden one is no where as robust as the metal one in his original pic. I am more curious how he will power the metal one in a Sprinter van.. ie how can he generate 3 phase 220V. Maybe he also consider physics a conspiracy theory too.

I still don't see what the big deal of having a CNC mill in ones back yard or worse at a back of a van, with the advent of protolabs and similar outfits. No dust / no muck and got my parts to me in 48 hours. Not to mention they use the latest Haas to do the work.

Thats nothing like the one in your pic. Also thats US pricing plus $600 shipping and then you need a computer, Router, bits, dust collector, software and you still have to assemble it. You are looking at over $8000 all said and done. I would go with 2 computers so you can design while the machine cuts. Also lets not forget all the power your going to need to run it all.

[CharlesInCharge]

Thats nothing like the one in your pic. Also thats US pricing plus $600 shipping and then you need a computer, Router, bits, dust collector, software and you still have to assemble it. You are looking at over $8000 all said and done. I would go with 2 computers so you can design while the machine cuts. Also lets not forget all the power your going to need to run it all.$300 for everything you mentioned (including a wood bit) and who doesnt have a computer and skills to download pirate ware?
Without delivery and exchange calculated it equals $3500 + $300.
I own a large CNC machine, built from scratch so I know what Im talking about.


The wooden one is no where as robust as the metal one in his original pic. And?

I am more curious how he will power the metal one in a Sprinter van.. ie how can he generate 3 phase 220V. Maybe he also consider physics a conspiracy theory too. You dont need strong motors to cut plywood... and just because the workshop is in a van doesnt mean you cant connect an extension cord to it. The more you know.

I still don't see what the big deal of having a CNC mill in ones back yard or worse at a back of a van, with the advent of protolabs and similar outfits. No dust / no muck and got my parts to me in 48 hours. Not to mention they use the latest Haas to do the work.If you are all about saving money then you'd buy a kit, do all your cutting (maybe make more houses and even start a business), and resell your machine for a profit seeing its assembled and ready to go.
Im betting that kind of service would cost $500 to $1000.

[Manic!]

$300 for everything you mentioned (including a wood bit) and who doesnt have a computer and skills to download pirate ware?
Without delivery and exchange calculated it equals $3500 + $300.
I own a large CNC machine, built from scratch so I know what Im talking about.




What about dust collection?

That's still over 6 grand Canadian without dust collection. Also that kits known to have problems.

[CharlesInCharge]

You simply use a vacuum hose over the drill.

So you added $2200 for currency conversion and delivery?
There are cheaper assembled sources from China
Shop 4x8 cnc machine online - Buy 4x8 cnc machine for unbeatable low prices on AliExpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?shipCountry=ca&shipFromCountry=&shipCompanies=&SearchText=4x8+cnc+machine&exception=&minPrice=2000&maxPrice=3100&minQuantity=&maxQuantity=&isFreeShip=n&isFavorite=n&isRtl=n&isOnSale=n&isBigSale=n&similar_style=n&similar_style_id=&isAtmOnline=n&CatId=0&needQuery=y)

If youre ambitious enough you could build one for $1500.
Lastly I dont believe the Blackfoot CNC has problems.

[Manic!]

You simply use a vacuum hose over the drill.

So you added $2200 for currency conversion and delivery?
There are cheaper assembled sources from China
Shop 4x8 cnc machine online - Buy 4x8 cnc machine for unbeatable low prices on AliExpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?shipCountry=ca&shipFromCountry=&shipCompanies=&SearchText=4x8+cnc+machine&exception=&minPrice=2000&maxPrice=3100&minQuantity=&maxQuantity=&isFreeShip=n&isFavorite=n&isRtl=n&isOnSale=n&isBigSale=n&similar_style=n&similar_style_id=&isAtmOnline=n&CatId=0&needQuery=y)

If youre ambitious enough you could build one for $1500.
Lastly I dont believe the Blackfoot CNC has problems.

I am including shipping. also your like shows this:

Sorry, we couldn't find any items for your refined search. Try removing some options or search again.

Any pics of your cnc machine?

[underscore]

So you added $2200 for currency conversion and delivery?

$3800 USD x 1.32 [USD to CAD] x 1.12 [duty] = $5600 + shipping, and then you're still missing half the pieces needed to build a hobby grade machine, I doubt that would stand up to commercial use.

[CharlesInCharge]

I am including shipping. also your link shows this:
search the following key phrase and limit the price settings from $2000 to $3000
4x8 cnc machine

Heres one.for $2700 usd
jinan china!!!cnc router 1218/4x8 ft cnc router/milling machine/customered machines!!!-in Wood Router from Industry & Business on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/jinan-china-cnc-router-1218-4x8-ft-cnc-router-milling-machine-customered-machines/32284547871.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.16.Votqtp&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_3)


Any pics of your cnc machine?
http://i.imgur.com/NTx6fPy.jpg


$3800 USD x 1.32 [USD to CAD] x 1.12 [duty] = $5600 + shipping, and then you're still missing half the pieces needed to build a hobby grade machine, I doubt that would stand up to commercial use.The point is making CNC houses plus replacement parts are extremely cheaper then general machines. So this fits the job coming from someone who has experience in CNC machines.

Cost of CNC
$3200x1.32= $4224 CDN
https://buildyourcnc.com/blackFoot48v40.aspx

Shipping, $4224+$778[590x1.32]=$5002 CDN

http://i.imgur.com/8KMFM3m.jpg


So were at $5002 not including the duty cost... how did you come up with that rate? edit - Wood CNC machines made in the US maybe FTA's (Free trade area)

[Manic!]

search the following key phrase and limit the price settings from $2000 to $3000
4x8 cnc machine

Heres one.for $2700 usd
jinan china!!!cnc router 1218/4x8 ft cnc router/milling machine/customered machines!!!-in Wood Router from Industry & Business on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/jinan-china-cnc-router-1218-4x8-ft-cnc-router-milling-machine-customered-machines/32284547871.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.16.Votqtp&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_3)



And shipping is
US $16.57 to
Canada via China Post Registered Air Mail

You think that seems right? LOL.

[CharlesInCharge]

This is why I initially didnt post those machines because you have to do your homework and see how legit they are.
I think the Alibaba verified companies should be good.

[underscore]

Cost of CNC
$3200x1.32= $4224 CDN
https://buildyourcnc.com/blackFoot48v40.aspx

Shipping, $4224+$778[590x1.32]=$5002 CDN

http://i.imgur.com/8KMFM3m.jpg


So were at $5002 not including the duty cost... how did you come up with that rate? edit - Wood CNC machines made in the US maybe FTA's (Free trade area)

You keep jumping from Chinese made products to supposedly US made ones, I doubt all the components are US made though so I'm not sure how that will affect duty. You're only looking at the base machine though, with the other pieces you need it's $4000 USD and you still need a router ($200-400USD), cooling system, table, and motor cable, so you're getting near $5000 USD all said and done. After conversion and shipping you're pushing $7k CAD before any possible duty.

[CharlesInCharge]

You keep jumping from Chinese made products to supposedly US made ones, I doubt all the components are US made though so I'm not sure how that will affect duty. You're only looking at the base machine though, with the other pieces you need it's $4000 USD and you still need a router ($200-400USD), cooling system, table, and motor cable, so you're getting near $5000 USD all said and done. After conversion and shipping you're pushing $7k CAD before any possible duty.Routers are under $100 in Craiglist.. you dont need a cooling system, table or motor cable. 5K plus $300 is the cost so far for the US kit.
Ive built 2 CNC machines from scratch, what experience do you have to be quoting these big numbers?

[underscore]

That's all right off the website you posted, if you actually read the page.

[CharlesInCharge]

Well youre clearly misinterpreting it and making points with no experience.

[GLOW]

your 3D van pic reminded me a bit of this:
http://smallhousedesign.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/small-modular-homes-5.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEqAC_hUgAAA1CA.jpghttp://bigboomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/ShippingContainerDormRooms-e1409727140115.jpg

[underscore]

What do I need to purchase additionally to have a fully running system?

You will need to construct a table for the machine itself. You will also need to purchase your desired length of 4 conductor motor cable. The recommended length of cable for the blackFoot is 50 feet. If you are purchasing a 2.2KW Spindle with Inverter, you will need a water cooling system. This is a simple system using silicon tubing, a water pump and a 5 gallon bucket like you would purchase at a hardware store. The silicon tube and water pump are both available for purchase on our website. You will also need a computer with software to run the machine. If you are interested in having a computer built for you, please checkout our CNC Computer section as we provide this service. Computer CNC Systems built by us only require a monitor, keyboard, and mouse to be added additionally. You can also add cable carrier for cable management if you wish.

Parts not included:
Computer (Personal Preference)
Software (Personal Preference)
Router (Personal Preference although I recommend Porter Cable 2.25 HP 892 or 3.25 HP 7518)
Table

Even if you knock out the table, cooling and cable you're still at $6k CDN + shipping and possible duty, a far cry from the $3200 you came up with earlier.

[CharlesInCharge]

Why are you throwing out stupid numbers without tallying up the prices like I did.
Are you going to spam another post without showing where you get these numbers from?

Also you can make one for $1500, how do you like that?

2 story WikiHouse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a9-DijrLyo

[melloman]

Wait, is CiC trying to do this LOCALLY?
Cheapest way would be a house boat, and reno it. You can find LOTS for dirt cheap in Queensborough.

PS. What stops someone from buying a plot of land say in Northern BC and living off the land? Didn't know there were laws against this.. :pokerface:

[CharlesInCharge]

Looks like these house boats have whats called a moorage fee... one was 700+, the other $1000.
I dont know about remote location zoning laws but I'd personally hate to live away from city life.

My CNC isnt large enough to try a micro house but members here should pull our resources together and start making legal 8x12 foot shed for peoples backyards. These could be used as living spaces as long as neighbours arent bothered.

[underscore]

Prices are again from the page you posted, what I'm confused by is why you would even bother considering a premade kit if you can supposedly DIY one so cheaply. Given that you already have a CNC I assume you could make the framework that supplier is selling and just order the rest of the components they would've supplied separately.

And now that I think about it, before you jump to sheds and houses, why not start out selling effectively the same kit being sold in the US? With the current dollar there's probably a market for them up here.

Wait, is CiC trying to do this LOCALLY?
Cheapest way would be a house boat, and reno it. You can find LOTS for dirt cheap in Queensborough.

PS. What stops someone from buying a plot of land say in Northern BC and living off the land? Didn't know there were laws against this.. :pokerface:

Back to the topic at hand, I believe the key point is doing it within reasonable proximity to Vancouver. Assuming CiC is interested in the challenge of pulling something like this off, just moving to a cheaper part of the world is sort of cheating.

[CharlesInCharge]

Prices are again from the page you posted.
This post sets the prices... but you like to post big numbers without showing how you got them.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/705090-beating-rat-race-living-boat-inside-swimming-pool-2.html#post8676406

what I'm confused by is why you would even bother considering a premade kit if you can supposedly DIY one so cheaply. Given that you already have a CNC I assume you could make the framework that supplier is selling and just order the rest of the components they would've supplied separately.I dont think they'd sell parts separately plus youd still have to play around and figure out the supports. Personally I dont have the time and space to make this... Im using my CNC to first make car designs.

And now that I think about it, before you jump to sheds and houses, why not start out selling effectively the same kit being sold in the US? With the current dollar there's probably a market for them up here..I might make 10 times more profit with cars then houses.

[underscore]

I dont think they'd sell parts separately plus youd still have to play around and figure out the supports. Personally I dont have the time and space to make this... Im using my CNC to first make car designs.

You don't order the parts from them, just order one kit to get the list of parts and then find your own supplier.

[Manic!]

This post sets the prices... but you like to post big numbers without showing how you got them.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/705090-beating-rat-race-living-boat-inside-swimming-pool-2.html#post8676406

I dont think they'd sell parts separately plus youd still have to play around and figure out the supports. Personally I dont have the time and space to make this... Im using my CNC to first make car designs.

I might make 10 times more profit with cars then houses.

10 times more making cars LOL and talk about wrong tool for the job.

[Phil@rise]

I didnt even bother to waste my time reading three pages of CiC crap I'm just here to respond to the original post.
Do you ever have an in the box idea? Or are you always out of the box? Like waaay the fuck out lol!

[CharlesInCharge]

For self sustained food, one can breed fish, use its poop to fertile the surrounding land, and grow crops to regenerate another cycle. But no... not in occupied Canada... being a Canadian in this vast land means you have to be a debt slave for any kind of decent life.

[SoNaRWaVe]

yet you're still here....

why haven't you left already then if this is such a burden for you?

[CharlesInCharge]

Im waiting to get compensated by our ZioAmerican run country for bombing my city and for me to be a refugee here.

[SoNaRWaVe]

good luck with that with the current refugee haitus lol