[SpuGen]

Vancouver's mayor wants to make the city a sanctuary for Syrian refugees - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/09/07/vancouvers-mayor-wants-to-make-the-city-a-sanctuary-for-syrian-refugees/)


VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) Vancouver’s mayor wants to make the city a sanctuary for Syrian refugees, starting with an information forum tomorrow night. The city says the Government of Canada isn’t meeting its international obligations to help with this crisis.

Gregor Robertson says the federal government should be looking at taking in 20,000 refugees each year by 2020 and he’s made a motion to send the request to the government in writing.

“The people of Vancouver have a proud history of welcoming refugees, and a deep commitment to ensuring that families affected by this ongoing crisis can find new hope, security, and opportunity in Canada. Vancouver must continue to expand upon the steps we are taking to be a welcoming city, but it’s clear that the Government of Canada has not been meeting our international obligations in this continuing humanitarian crisis.”

And the city has heard from citizens wanting to help who may not know how to start. Eyob Naizghi with MOSAIC, an immigrant support society, will be there. He says it’s disappointing this responsibility has fallen to municipal governments and community groups. “Usually the federal government has taken a leadership role in this kind of situation. And we have good examples we could learn from. The Vietnamese boat people is one. The Kosovo refugees is another one. I think those are good strategies, compassionate strategies that Canada has taken in the past that we need to look at.”

The forum happens at the Town Hall meeting room at Vancouver City Hall at 7pm Tuesday, September 8th.

Oh fuck off.:rukidding:

[pastarocket]

Mayor Bike Boy is giving me another reason to not vote for his party in the next civic election.

Really? FailFish

[meowjinboo]

aka cheap labour.

[Jmac]

I would be all for taking refugees if they offset it by scaling back the Temporary Foreign Worker program.

[CharlesInCharge]

At this point I cant tell if this is a humanitarian gesture across the world to easy what the ZioAmerican empire has done or they need to depopulate Syria to ramp up the war against Assad... specially with the numerous chemical attacks in Syria and Iraq.

For the unaware pop stars and our Mayor, why arent questions being raised about the Syrian doctor that was working for our Canadian spy agency and providing underage sex slaves and militants to ISIS?
*an update on this is one of the girls got married to a notorious ISIS guy called Ginger Jihadi... with his blonde hair.

The humanitarian thing to do is provide housing, even if we have to setup tents out in Mission. In reality Canada is a war criminal nation (also in Ukraine) and needs to pay reparations (compensation) in the hundreds of billions to these countries.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sure mayor moonbean can do what he wants. But he needs to make sure all the Syrian refugees stays in City of Vancouver and City of Vancouver is responsibility for their shelter, food, clothing, education cost, health care cost, transit cost. Basically they can only live in City of Vancouver, not in Burnaby, Surrey, Detla, Tri City etc etc.

[Manic!]

I'm 100% for bringing Syrian refugees to Canada but putting them in the most expensive city in Canada? thats ridiculous.

[jasonturbo]

Of course we should take Syrian refugees!!!

Why bother making an effort to help Canadians suffering from mental illness (IE: 90% of east hastings homeless) when we could spend money saving people from the other side of the world that may or may not offer a net benefit to Canadians.

Nothing like being internationally shamed for a refugee crisis you had no part in.

Don't think I'm ignorant to what's happening in Syria, I'm just not ignorant to the reality that accepting refugees does nothing to address the cause of the issues.

[Timpo]

I'm 100% for bringing Syrian refugees to Canada but putting them in the most expensive city in Canada? thats ridiculous.

This.

You need to be making $172,000 a year to live in a Vancouver if you want to buy a house.

The poverty line for Vancouver was $20.10/hr couple years ago if you work 40hrs a week ($38,592/year) and I'm pretty sure it's probably $40,000 a year by now.

We have enough poverty problems in Canada, and how are we going to accept 20,000 people?
That's like 20,000 extra citizens instantly going on welfare.

If the Mayer of Vancouver wants this happen, hurry up and ask 20,000 mainlanders in Beijing and Shanghai to come to Canada asap, so that we can charge extra tax?

Maybe send them to up north somewhere cheap to live, they can do manual labour or whatever for living. They will still be much happier than living in a battle field where they could get murdered at any moment.

[Timpo]

Sure mayor moonbean can do what he wants. But he needs to make sure all the Syrian refugees stays in City of Vancouver and City of Vancouver is responsibility for their shelter, food, clothing, education cost, health care cost, transit cost. Basically they can only live in City of Vancouver, not in Burnaby, Surrey, Detla, Tri City etc etc.
I hope refugees can get jobs right away. Otherwise they might get involved in crime and RCMP/VPD would have to spend more money putting them in jail. I don't even know if there's 20,000 instant job openings in Canada. Unemployment rate is skyrocketing in Canada.

I don't know if they can stay specifically in Vancouver? I mean.. Vancouver is already clouded. Although I don't think they can live in BC comfortably even if they go to other municipalities like Richmond, where bunch of Chinese kids driving Lamborghini, Maserati and Ferrari.

[Tone Loc]

Why bother making an effort to help Canadians suffering from mental illness (IE: 90% of east hastings homeless) when we could spend money saving people from the other side of the world that may or may not offer a net benefit to Canadians.


YES thank you.

I can't stand how all of the bleeding hearts come out of the woodwork whenever there's some kind of international crisis happening halfway across the world so they can bitch and moan about how Canada sucks by not helping out, but these same people can't be fucked to make a real change in their own community whether by volunteering, donating money, etc., to homeless shelters, soup kitchens, mental health organizations, and the like in order to fix the real issues impacting their lives and the lives of their neighbors.

We, as Canadians, need to fix our own country before we start helping other countries. It's like in those airline safety demonstrations... you need to make sure your oxygen mask is on before you start helping everyone around you.

[StylinRed]

As Canadians we used to pride ourselves for our humanitarian endevaours but it seems these days everyone is becoming more and more hateful/rude, wtf is happening?

We should totally be doing all we can to help those in need, especially in crisis situations like Syria, Gaza, Ukraine, Burma...

[Hondaracer]

They are too far away to make it here anyways. The refugees coming to Greece etc have the clothes on their back and that's about it.

If he's actually suggesting using vancouvers/BC's resources to enable them to come here then that's just insane.

[GLOW]

he needs to make a new platform since his promise to end homelessness didn't quite pan out

Vancouver mayor says city?s ?warmer weather? to blame as he fails goal to end homelessness by 2015 | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/vancouver-mayor-says-citys-warmer-weather-to-blame-as-he-fails-goal-to-end-homelessness-by-2015)
Vancouver backs away from goal of ending street homelessness by 2015 | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1251947/vancouver-backs-away-from-goal-of-ending-street-homelessness-by-2015/)

[tonyzoomzoom]

Politician at his best. He knows this isn't going to happen; but he looks good while proposing the idea.

FU Robertson. Maybe you should start by offering up your house to the refugees, the homeless, the hippies, etc.

[flagella]

One boy washed ashore and now there will be a whole gang of dumbfucks that will be cheering for taking all the refugees. Yes, the same type of racist fucks that are probably crying how refugees are ruining the country if it wasn't for that sad picture of the dead boy.

[Hondaracer]

Just like the Lion, if there hadn't been a picture of the boy, no one would have cared. How many children have drowned in the refugee crossings prior to this? Thousands?

[Timpo]

Politician at his best. He knows this isn't going to happen; but he looks good while proposing the idea.

FU Robertson. Maybe you should start by offering up your house to the refugees, the homeless, the hippies, etc.
OK if that's the case this is nothing but a typical publicity stunt done by politicians.

[Ball.J.Inder]

Why not put them in the housing projects in Guildford aka G-Town aka the Jungle in Surrey? Balkan, Iraqi, and African refugees have been calling it home for years and they all love eachother every day with most of the youth becoming good citizens.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I hope refugees can get jobs right away. Otherwise they might get involved in crime and RCMP/VPD would have to spend more money putting them in jail. I don't even know if there's 20,000 instant job openings in Canada. Unemployment rate is skyrocketing in Canada.

I don't know if they can stay specifically in Vancouver? I mean.. Vancouver is already clouded. Although I don't think they can live in BC comfortably even if they go to other municipalities like Richmond, where bunch of Chinese kids driving Lamborghini, Maserati and Ferrari.
Why City of Vancouver? Coz Mayor Moonbean's idea. Not City of Burnaby, City of Surrey, City of Detla. So City Vancouver should house them, provide for the, and take care of them. Other cities didn't volunteer why should they get drag into it.

I am not against helping but when our own citizens needs more, maybe we should be spending on CANADIANS first? Is not just East hastings, everything have been cut back IE health care, education, retire homes, retire care, emergency respone team. What good does it good to bring more people in with 95% on them being on welfare while cutting back on funding to these services.

We need to strength our own country first, take care of our own people then start helping others. It doesn't do anyone good if these people can't find jobs and on welfare but we don't have enough. Most likely they will turn to crime in order to feed themselves and their family.

Also there could be terrorists among them which not only cost national security but our lives as well. Image they set a bomb in Metrotown during Sat even. How many people will die or when we celebrate in DT Vancouver for specials likes Fireworks, Canada Day etc etc.........

[Timpo]

Why not put them in the housing projects in Guildford aka G-Town aka the Jungle in Surrey? Balkan, Iraqi, and African refugees have been calling it home for years and they all love eachother every day with most of the youth becoming good citizens.

Robertson is one that is proposing this idea. It has nothing to do with Surrey. His only hope would be to increase property tax in Vancouver in order for him to accept 20,000 people. I don't know how he can find 20,000 housing in Vancouver though?

[meowjinboo]

Why not put them in the housing projects in Guildford aka G-Town aka the Jungle in Surrey? Balkan, Iraqi, and African refugees have been calling it home for years and they all love eachother every day with most of the youth becoming good citizens.

I love the sarcasm haha.

[GS8]

Fuck this Diva Cup of a Mayor....

You know, I've been following the migrant crisis in Italy for some time. It's an ongoing issue where over 2000 have died this year while crossing the Mediterranean. Greece and Italy feeling the brunt of it with the waves of boats that would constantly come ashore.

However it was nothing more than a headline on our shores with MAYBE one 'expert' talking BS as filler.

BUT the moment there's a Syrian and a Canadian connection, BOOM, all media breaks loose and now it becomes drilled in our heads how shitty we are as a Country blah blah Harper's fault, blah blah Fin Donnelly...

Using Refugees as the SJW 'cause of the month' is so beyond the realm of stupidity, I feel the need to ram my head against a cinder block fence just to try and understand.

Airheaded fucks seem to be under the impression that Canada is a utopia. Uh, no it's not. We have our own issues. Take a walk downtown, you'll see. Go out into the suburbs, you'll see. Go up North you'll see. Go 3 provinces over, you'll see. We have our own shit to deal with.

I'm not trying to making light of the refugees plight, it really is a shitty situation to be born into but it's just not feasible to help EVERY country's citizens just because they ask for it. If every nation got along nicely, everyone would be enjoying a higher standard of life but that's not how competition works, sorry to say. It's just goes against human nature.

It's heartbreaking to know you can't help everyone but in life, you have to be logical to survive. Emotion should always take the backseat.

[Harvey Specter]

None of these politicians, here and aboard, want to address the massive security threat of allowing thousands of refugees into this country without the proper security screening.

[ae101]

WHAT????? mayor bike lane is still in office....................seriously the ppl of vancouver should stop smoking weed right before election time, as this is totally effecting your judgement in voting :lawl:

on a serious note: doesnt vancouver already enough problems, dont think they need to open up another can of worms

[Timpo]

None of these politicians, here and aboard, want to address the massive security threat of allowing thousands of refugees into this country without the proper security screening.

True, how the hell do we know if Syrians we're bringing in had a criminal record or any hazards, disease, etc.

Even in Canada, 1 in every 8 Canadians have a criminal record. Bringing in 20,000 people from third world country without proper security check is a crazy talk. We need to make sure that our own citizens are safe first.

[Manic!]

Of course we should take Syrian refugees!!!

Why bother making an effort to help Canadians suffering from mental illness (IE: 90% of east hastings homeless) when we could spend money saving people from the other side of the world that may or may not offer a net benefit to Canadians.

Nothing like being internationally shamed for a refugee crisis you had no part in.

Don't think I'm ignorant to what's happening in Syria, I'm just not ignorant to the reality that accepting refugees does nothing to address the cause of the issues.

There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.

[Timpo]

There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.

yeah I heard that the government give crackheads $1,000 a month or something and they spend it all on coke in like 3 days.

I know refugees can be beneficial. Some poor immigrants, like Robert Herjavec turned into a huge asset in Canada.

But I don't know if Vancouver is ready at this very moment.. considering unemployment rate and how many homeless people are around and stuff.

[GojiraBNR34]

This thread gives me a headache.

Would you guys rather have Rob Ford as mayor, who harnessed a suburban revolt to systematically sabotage Toronto's urban infrastructure from adequately evolving and growing (thus finishing what Mike Harris started in the 90s, with the Ontario PC's "Common Sense Revolution")?

You can complain about how Gregor kowtows to condo developers, pushing cultural venues out of this town; as well as infantile NIMBY's who will never give up their dream of buying a single-family home in Vancouver, keeping the east side from properly densifying as a result. Hell, I'll join you.

But wanting to make the city a home for Syrian refugees is hardly the worst thing a mayor can do. Vancouver's thriving Vietnamese community emerged from the resettlement of Vietnamese refugees after the Vietnam War; and Vancouver and Burnaby also took in many Albanians who fled Serb-fuelled butchery in Kosovo in 1999. I hope other mayors, like Derek Corrigan and Linda Hepner, whose cities have more land, support plans to resettle Syrian refugees in their cities; but of course that will never happen. Corrigan won't do shit, Hepner is too busy dealing with Somali gangbangers killing each other, and Malcolm Brodie would get an earful from affluent the Mainland Chinese residents in Richmond.

This country was built on welcoming immigrants from all over the world, in search of a better life. In fact, there was a discussion in the Canadian politics community on Reddit about how the country is capable of accepting far more immigrants (not necessarily refugees), and could potentially support a population of 80-100 million by 2100 by carefully opening the floodgates for immigration. (For those upset at me, Statscan says that the maximum sustainable population in this country is just over 100 million.) Here's a link to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/2qmlhb/whats_an_unpopular_opinion_you_hold_regarding/cn7iltf

If you want to live in a country that is suspicious of, or shuns, immigrants, America will welcome you with open arms, and Donald Trump will expect your vote as well.

[jasonturbo]

There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.

I knew you would fail my post, you're as liberal as they come. With regards to immigrants/refugees being a "huge benefit" to this country, we don't actually have the research/statistics to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have provided a net benefit to Canadians. Though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and that's all that is.

Oh, and btw, money isn't the only form of "help".

Am I suggesting that Canadians are innately better than immigrants/refugees? No, I'm certainly not.

Am I stating that I would prefer resources be applied domestically as opposed to the internationally? Yes I am.

[Manic!]

I knew you would fail my post, you're as liberal as they come. With regards to immigrants/refugees being a "huge benefit" to this country, we don't actually have the research/statistics to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have provided a net benefit to Canadians. Though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and that's all that is.

Oh, and btw, money isn't the only form of "help".

Am I suggesting that Canadians are innately better than immigrants/refugees? No, I'm certainly not.

Am I stating that I would prefer resources be applied domestically as opposed to the internationally? Yes I am.

And why don't we have the research/statistics? We have only been allowing immigrants into this country for 100's of years.

My opinion comes from first hand experience.

[PiuYi]

They are too far away to make it here anyways. The refugees coming to Greece etc have the clothes on their back and that's about it.

If he's actually suggesting using vancouvers/BC's resources to enable them to come here then that's just insane.

hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

oh wait...

https://twitter.com/tanyabirkbeck/status/640905623870304257

:rukidding: Quebec-level insane.

[Timpo]

hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

oh wait...

https://twitter.com/tanyabirkbeck/status/640905623870304257

:rukidding: Quebec-level insane.

Federal approval? like Stephen Harper?

[Adorkami]

More like Federal dollars

[Harvey Specter]

hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

oh wait...

https://twitter.com/tanyabirkbeck/status/640905623870304257

:rukidding: Quebec-level insane.

The same province which banned burkas and turbans now wants to bring over a plane full of Muslims?

[flagella]

If that happens, I don't know who I should feel sorry for, Québécois or Syrians.

[6o4__boi]

In fact, there was a discussion in the Canadian politics community on Reddit about how the country is capable of accepting far more immigrants (not necessarily refugees), and could potentially support a population of 80-100 million by 2100 by carefully opening the floodgates for immigration. (For those upset at me, Statscan says that the maximum sustainable population in this country is just over 100 million.) Here's a link to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/2qmlhb/whats_an_unpopular_opinion_you_hold_regarding/cn7iltf


how bout a fucking plague? I can hardly stand the population as it stands now.
your fucking logic is giving me a headache.

shut the fuck up and stay in reddit.

[jasonturbo]

And why don't we have the research/statistics? We have only been allowing immigrants into this country for 100's of years.



Said another way, if one immigrant/refugee murders a Canadian, and one immigrant/refugee goes on to become a doctor and saves hundreds of Canadians, is there a net benefit?

While we can assume that the murder would not have occurred if the immigrant/refugee was never permitted to enter the country, it is also reasonable to assume that another doctor would have been in place to save those hundreds of Canadians.

What I am saying is that it's virtually impossible to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have offered a net benefit to the country. Never mind that the "data" collected to make this determination would probably be largely subjective.

But according to you, of course they have.

As a country we failed miserably with assimilating the first nations into western society, do you really think we can do much better with refugees from a war torn country? Perhaps visiting some of the Somalian pockets of the GTA would help you to understand the less attractive side of the equation.

[Manic!]

The same province which banned burkas and turbans now wants to bring over a plane full of Muslims?

They did not ban Turbans and Burka's. The government tried to do that and they where booted out of office.

[Manic!]

Said another way, if one immigrant/refugee murders a Canadian, and one immigrant/refugee goes on to become a doctor and saves hundreds of Canadians, is there a net benefit?

While we can assume that the murder would not have occurred if the immigrant/refugee was never permitted to enter the country, it is also reasonable to assume that another doctor would have been in place to save those hundreds of Canadians.

What I am saying is that it's virtually impossible to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have offered a net benefit to the country. Never mind that the "data" collected to make this determination would probably be largely subjective.

But according to you, of course they have.

As a country we failed miserably with assimilating the first nations into western society, do you really think we can do much better with refugees from a war torn country? Perhaps visiting some of the Somalian pockets of the GTA would help you to understand the less attractive side of the equation.

Yes because the refugees want to be here and we did not steal there land and slaughter there people. It's not like we are going to have to teach these people to use forks and knifes or toilet paper.

[melloman]

How about you just sponsor the 20,000 refugee's then Manic.

For fucks sake, if it costs $60k/year to keep 1 person in prison, how much will it cost per refugee? I'm all for saving lives but that comes with a cost, and it's not a small cost.

Just think of;
-Welfare
-Social housing
-Food
-Job Training
-ESL (if they don't speak English)
-Medical/Dental
-Other social services (PTSD treatment, other mental illnesses)

All these bleeding hearts need to think about what they're saying. Bringing in all these people will raise our already inflated taxes, and reduce & limit our own social services. And I can guarantee that $5 from these bleeding hearts won't do shit.

[jasonturbo]

Yes because the refugees want to be here and we did not steal there land and slaughter there people. It's not like we are going to have to teach these people to use forks and knifes or toilet paper.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/35946377.jpg

Feel free to fail this post, deep down you are thanking me.

Manic!, will you be sponsoring any refugees?

I didn't think so

[godwin]

There are a lot of misinformation in this thread.

I suggest those who want to or willing to know more to volunteer at one of the local organisations eg Welcome Home (http://issbc.org/prim-corp-nav/our-work-with-refugees) and see the situation in Vancouver first hand. Spend some time with refugees instead of relying on here say. Imagine walking a few metres in their shoes, how far they had traveled. Church groups are encouraged to sponsor 1 - 2 families.. that is saying 300 people sponsoring 2 families.. it is not even a huge number. No one is telling individuals to sponsor willy nilly. There is a process, you do know as a country, we are accepting refugees every day.

Sanctuary doesn't mean permanent housing, they are just given room to sleep and pretty much it. The refugees are required to find their way after a few months, 3 months I think. (Most of them move to more affordable areas like Surrey and Abbotsford). Also they usually take on crap jobs that virtually everyone on this board won't have the dignity to apply, cleaning toilets and kitchens, some of the better ones end up doing hair dressing etc.

As for the Syrians, the current exodus are usually higher income / better educated of the populace... the poor had died / left a while back and now it is the middle class that is taking the brunt and they have to leave.

I think the Reese Witherspoon's The Good Lie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2652092/) is a pretty good movie that depicts lives of refugees once they had resettled..

[Phil@rise]

how bout the mayor house the homeless first....

[Manic!]

how bout the mayor house the homeless first....

You want to live next to a homeless person?

[godwin]

Honestly homeless is a more complicated problem than just a home. It requires mental health (which we had neglected for a few decades), social work and occupational therapists.

Most "homeless" get booted out of their place of shelter and become homeless usually because of addiction / behaviour infraction with rules of the place eg no drugs/ drinking. They cycle in and out of the shelters and places much like they do with jails. "housing the homeless" by itself doesn't do squat, except pissing off the neighbors and money down the drain. We need the support services together to keep them from being homeless, unfortunately I will analogize it to police services is usually needed for the few percent of the repeat offenders. Honestly can't do that without raising taxes and MSP premiums.

Homeless we are dealing with mentally ill / defective.. having to fend for yourself, living on the street and with drugs really f*cks people's mind up, I say they are always stuck in survival mode with no ability to care for others, much less obeying rules.. Refugees we are dealing with people who are fleeing war, more short term.

Here is an example I find striking.. When you talk to an homeless person, the conversation is very focused on the homeless person, his/her immediate needs, wants and whether you can satisfy them.. when you talk to a refugee, they worry about their families, the future..

how bout the mayor house the homeless first....

[6o4__boi]

All i have to say about this is that...
Thank god we're not in Europe dealing with this shit.

I remember watching some interviews of refugees trying to get into Europe.
Something went along like
"I really need to get out of Syria so that my 7 kids will have a future..."

or some shit along those lines...and i'm like, Jesus, the situation in your country sucks and all but SEVEN FUCKING KIDS?

[Manic!]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/35946377.jpg

Feel free to fail this post, deep down you are thanking me.

Manic!, will you be sponsoring any refugees?

I didn't think so

Maybe we will. We having a hell of a time finding reliable workers.

[Manic!]

All i have to say about this is that...
Thank god we're not in Europe dealing with this shit.

I remember watching some interviews of refugees trying to get into Europe.
Something went along like
"I really need to get out of Syria so that my 7 kids will have a future..."

or some shit along those lines...and i'm like, Jesus, the situation in your country sucks and all but SEVEN FUCKING KIDS?

It's really only gone down hill in the last few years.

[Sid Vicious]

i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?

[Manic!]

i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?

Have you been watching the news?

[godwin]

They do come in. There is a quota system.

i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?

[Sid Vicious]

Have you been watching the news?

and syria's refugee crisis is different in which way compared to the countries i listed?

[Manic!]

and syria's refugee crisis is different in which way compared to the countries i listed?

Yes it is.

[Sid Vicious]

Yes it is.

care to elaborate?

the refugees are escaping from islamic extermists. this is no different from any of the countries i listed except ukraine

[Manic!]

care to elaborate?

the refugees are escaping from islamic extermists. this is no different from any of the countries i listed except ukraine

Because they are not flooding Europe by the thousands, some washing up on shore dead. Also Palestine refugees where made refugees by the creation of Israel in 1948 and has nothing to do with Islamic extremists.

[Sid Vicious]

Because they are not flooding Europe by the thousands, some washing up on shore dead. Also Palestine refugees where made refugees by the creation of Israel in 1948 and has nothing to do with Islamic extremists.

o really?
Refugee crisis: Where are all these people coming from and why? - World - News - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/refugee-crisis-where-are-all-these-people-coming-from-and-why-10490425.html)

and i forgot i listed palestine

and anyways my point still stands. the world is facing a refugee crisis due to the middle east generally being a shithole, canada doesn't have a obligation to accept everyone

[meowjinboo]

How about you just sponsor the 20,000 refugee's then Manic.

For fucks sake, if it costs $60k/year to keep 1 person in prison, how much will it cost per refugee? I'm all for saving lives but that comes with a cost, and it's not a small cost.

Just think of;
-Welfare
-Social housing
-Food
-Job Training
-ESL (if they don't speak English)
-Medical/Dental
-Other social services (PTSD treatment, other mental illnesses)

All these bleeding hearts need to think about what they're saying. Bringing in all these people will raise our already inflated taxes, and reduce & limit our own social services. And I can guarantee that $5 from these bleeding hearts won't do shit.

there were lots of citizens in the 80's and 70's who left soviet bloc coutnries from eastern europe.

Go to Calgary and talk to cab drivers about it. They have good stories.

My parents fled Military Junta in the 70's from Greece and landed in Canada in 74 in Montreal (where I wish they stayed there haha).

[Manic!]

o really?
Refugee crisis: Where are all these people coming from and why? - World - News - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/refugee-crisis-where-are-all-these-people-coming-from-and-why-10490425.html)

and i forgot i listed palestine

and anyways my point still stands. the world is facing a refugee crisis due to the middle east generally being a shithole, canada doesn't have a obligation to accept everyone

So why are we bombing then?

[Jmac]

Maybe we will. We having a hell of a time finding reliable workers.
Maybe if it happens to suit your own selfish needs? :seriously:

[Hondaracer]

there were lots of citizens in the 80's and 70's who left soviet bloc coutnries from eastern europe.

Go to Calgary and talk to cab drivers about it. They have good stories.

My parents fled Military Junta in the 70's from Greece and landed in Canada in 74 in Montreal (where I wish they stayed there haha).

im sure the vast majority of those people came here by legitimate means.. as my grandparents did..

you know, going through like, the proper avenues, doing the proper paper work, applying to the right places?

But yea, in a world that is FAR less secure than it was 30-50 years ago, lets just let in thousands without proper means or documentation

[Manic!]

Maybe if it happens to suit your own selfish needs? :seriously:

Giving people money for working is really selfish. Rather have them on government handouts right?

[Tapioca]

So, what are people's thoughts about what Canada did for the Vietnamese in the 1970s? Or the Lebanese in the 1970s? Or Indians who lived in Uganda during Idi Amin? Why are the Syrians any different?

[ae101]

well for starters, the 1st thing that came to my mind is the fact that vancouver is getting expensive period as compare to the past

[Phil@rise]

Honestly homeless is a more complicated problem than just a home. It requires mental health (which we had neglected for a few decades), social work and occupational therapists.

Most "homeless" get booted out of their place of shelter and become homeless usually because of addiction / behaviour infraction with rules of the place eg no drugs/ drinking. They cycle in and out of the shelters and places much like they do with jails. "housing the homeless" by itself doesn't do squat, except pissing off the neighbors and money down the drain. We need the support services together to keep them from being homeless, unfortunately I will analogize it to police services is usually needed for the few percent of the repeat offenders. Honestly can't do that without raising taxes and MSP premiums.

Homeless we are dealing with mentally ill / defective.. having to fend for yourself, living on the street and with drugs really f*cks people's mind up, I say they are always stuck in survival mode with no ability to care for others, much less obeying rules.. Refugees we are dealing with people who are fleeing war, more short term.

Here is an example I find striking.. When you talk to an homeless person, the conversation is very focused on the homeless person, his/her immediate needs, wants and whether you can satisfy them.. when you talk to a refugee, they worry about their families, the future..

Ans refugees are cheaper and or easier to deal with?

[dlo]

I'm 100% for bringing Syrian refugees to Canada but putting them in the most expensive city in Canada? thats ridiculous.

quoted once again if yall didnt see this in the first page.. sigh the mayor creating publicity by using a crisis..

[meowjinboo]

im sure the vast majority of those people came here by legitimate means.. as my grandparents did..

you know, going through like, the proper avenues, doing the proper paper work, applying to the right places?

But yea, in a world that is FAR less secure than it was 30-50 years ago, lets just let in thousands without proper means or documentation

dude we were letting in CIS/eastern block people. Who could have been a spy or not? Who knows.

But we did have programs to bring them here.

[nsmb]

they seem very grateful Kappa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFiumADzwdI

[ajei]

lol...so they don't care about themselves?
(maybe they're just eager to get to germany...btw, then its off to the UK)
https://youtu.be/HjbJGhMv2GM

[PiuYi]

Hungarian authorities had refused to let them board trains to the west, and the migrants balked at going to processing centres, fearing they would be forced to live in Hungary.

....

Mohammed, a 35-year-old Syrian man who was packing his belongings in the sunken plaza of Keleti train terminal and informing other migrants about the buses, said he was happy to be leaving Hungary.

"The situation is so ugly here and I want to send message to all Syrian people and all refugee people — do not come to Hungary," he said.

.....

Osama Morzar, 23, from Aleppo, Syria, was so determined not to be registered in Hungary that he removed his fingerprints with acid, holding up totally smooth finger pads to an Associated Press reporter as proof.

"The government of Hungary is very bad," said Morzar, who studied pharmacology at Aleppo's university. "The United Nations should help."
excerpts from this article Refugee crisis: Austria, Germany to grant passage to migrants from Hungary - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/refugees-hungary-riot-police-1.3215706)


I don't get why Syrian refugees feel so entitled to live in the EU, and Germany especially... if my country was being torn to shreds I'd be happy to live ANYWHERE that had peace

[Manic!]

lol...so they don't care about themselves?
(maybe they're just eager to get to germany...btw, then its off to the UK)
https://youtu.be/HjbJGhMv2GM

Fox news really?

[jackmeister]

It's hard to sympathize with refugees that pick and choose where to go. Just find a place where bombs aren't dropping over your head. And throwing away water/food when provided to you out of the kindness of the government? disgusting.

So they only want Germany, Sweden, and UK. Sounds like a fucking vacation.

[Razor Ramon HG]

:lol

Jesus, what a bunch of ungrateful fucks.

[Manic!]

And you wonder why they want to leave Hungry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2kdd-B_RQg

[6o4__boi]

Lol Manic reminds me of that guy trying to plug holes in a dam with his fingers

i have to wonder how much truth and what general percentage of these refugees are picking and choosing where they're going

[yray]

I don't get why Syrian refugees feel so entitled to live in the EU, and Germany especially... if my country was being torn to shreds I'd be happy to live ANYWHERE that had peace

It's hard to sympathize with refugees that pick and choose where to go. Just find a place where bombs aren't dropping over your head. And throwing away water/food when provided to you out of the kindness of the government? disgusting.

So they only want Germany, Sweden, and UK. Sounds like a fucking vacation.


Higher chances that they won't get sent back as these are the wealthier countries in the EU.

[melloman]

There are a lot of misinformation in this thread.

I suggest those who want to or willing to know more to volunteer at one of the local organisations eg Welcome Home (http://issbc.org/prim-corp-nav/our-work-with-refugees) and see the situation in Vancouver first hand. Spend some time with refugees instead of relying on here say. Imagine walking a few metres in their shoes, how far they had traveled. Church groups are encouraged to sponsor 1 - 2 families.. that is saying 300 people sponsoring 2 families.. it is not even a huge number. No one is telling individuals to sponsor willy nilly. There is a process, you do know as a country, we are accepting refugees every day.


there were lots of citizens in the 80's and 70's who left soviet bloc coutnries from eastern europe.

Go to Calgary and talk to cab drivers about it. They have good stories.

My parents fled Military Junta in the 70's from Greece and landed in Canada in 74 in Montreal (where I wish they stayed there haha).

I know all too well of the real, proper, process as my mothers side all fled Eastern Europe during WW2, and Australia was a sanctuary for them before being accepted to Canada.

There is a process, yes we do let in immigrants and refugee's everyday. But through that process, we screen people to see how they will impact our society. We aren't just going to let in thousands of people that might need longterm medical care, or need welfare/housing support.

When people compare now to the 70's and 80's... I kind of laugh. You're talking about the building boom in Canada when pulp & paper, forestry, mills, mining, oil, gas, manufacturing that had so many job openings you could show up with no experience and get hired on the spot.

Look at today, people are accepting UNPAID internships to try and land jobs. We aren't living in the same world as back then.

[Manic!]

I know all too well of the real, proper, process as my mothers side all fled Eastern Europe during WW2, and Australia was a sanctuary for them before being accepted to Canada.

There is a process, yes we do let in immigrants and refugee's everyday. But through that process, we screen people to see how they will impact our society. We aren't just going to let in thousands of people that might need longterm medical care, or need welfare/housing support.

When people compare now to the 70's and 80's... I kind of laugh. You're talking about the building boom in Canada when pulp & paper, forestry, mills, mining, oil, gas, manufacturing that had so many job openings you could show up with no experience and get hired on the spot.

Look at today, people are accepting UNPAID internships to try and land jobs. We aren't living in the same world as back then.

At the same time Canada sent back a ship load of Jews to die.

[Sid Vicious]

So why are we bombing then?

because the international community as a whole begged for military intervention in syria?

its not the bombing that displaced the syrians, it was ISIS so i fail to see your point.

[CharlesInCharge]

Do you acknowledge that Canada imported hundreds of terrorists into Syria?

At the same time Canada sent back a ship load of Jews to die.This was a ZioAmerican policy to settle occupied Palestine.

[Ball.J.Inder]

^ The Canadian government did that? Or individuals from Canada did? Or are you just spewing shit out of your ass?

[fliptuner]

So as the refugees start coming in, how do you guys feel about how much of our resources are being allocated to them?

[tonyzoomzoom]

Gregor should show his leadership by opening his home to refugees.

[bananana]

So as the refugees start coming in, how do you guys feel about how much of our resources are being allocated to them?

Disclaimer: This is not from me at all, just reposting this from an argument on the same topic from a Reddit user. It seems well researched with references and is an interesting counter to your question. Studies are from the US.

Economic research shows that low income legal immigrants (which is what they'd be) are a net positive to the economy in the long term, put in more than they take get out, (http://www.nber.org/papers/w19932) provide other benefits such as stabilizing local labor demand shocks (http://www.nber.org/digest/nov13/w19272.html), and how immigrants are more likely to entrepreneurial (http://www.nber.org/chapters/c13502.pdf) so they are able to raise labor demand (http://www.nber.org/papers/w21123).

From that last study in 2015:

Each immigrant creates 1.2 local jobs for local workers, most of them going to native workers, and 62% of these jobs are in non-traded services. Immigrants appear to raise local non-tradables sector wages and to attract native-born workers from elsewhere in the country. Overall, it appears that local workers benefit from the arrival of more immigrants.
Look, I'm willing to accept that the "drain on society" will come from a non-economic perspective, but anytime anyone says that immigrants are a drain on economic resources, no one is able to provide me actual economic research that proves such. It seems like it's all coming from populist rhetoric, but I'll keep an open mind if you can show me data that proves otherwise.

[Jmac]

So as the refugees start coming in, how do you guys feel about how much of our resources are being allocated to them?
Why Canada should take in 20 times more refugees (http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-canada-should-take-in-20-times-more-refugees/)
How much would this cost? Contrary to popular perception, the government of Canada pays very little to support refugees arriving in Canada. Financial support can be provided for up to one year or until they find work, whichever comes first. In Ontario, a single refugee could receive up to $781 per month for a year, in addition to a one-time allowance of $905.

[StylinRed]

Gregor should show his leadership by opening his home to refugees.

you do know that gregor and his former wife used to take in a lot of kids right? sure they're not refugees, but...

[Mr.HappySilp]

They are too far away to make it here anyways. The refugees coming to Greece etc have the clothes on their back and that's about it.

If he's actually suggesting using vancouvers/BC's resources to enable them to come here then that's just insane.

Saw on the news looks like we will be sending charting planes and even use mililtary planes to fly them over lol.

[underscore]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to contribute money and aid towards assisting other countries that are closer to Syria and less expensive to live in with their intake of refugees? Flying people halfway around the world and plopping them in one of the most expensive cities to live in seems like a poor use of funds to me.

[Jmac]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to contribute money and aid towards assisting other countries that are closer to Syria and less expensive to live in with their intake of refugees? Flying people halfway around the world and plopping them in one of the most expensive cities to live in seems like a poor use of funds to me.
Vancouver isn't taking all 25,000 refugees and most of the ones that do end up in Vancouver will either be related to someone living here or sponsored by someone living here. I highly doubt the government plans to buy detached homes in Shaugnessy for refugees.

[iEatClams]

Vancouver isn't taking all 25,000 refugees and most of the ones that do end up in Vancouver will either be related to someone living here or sponsored by someone living here. I highly doubt the government plans to buy detached homes in Shaugnessy for refugees.

I am actually mostly for Canada taking in refugees, however I am concerned with the amount we will take in and who we take in.

we also need to consider:

- What happens when more refugees leave these countries, do we keep taking more and more? What happens when other african countries and bangladesh have a mass exodus due to climate change or civil wars? Do we accept those folks too?

- Also, there's many reports that many of them are not even from Syria or war torn countries. Many are from Bangladesh or pakistan or other places hoping to cash in on job prospects. They even have fake syrian IDs. https://www.rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/

- Is Canada going to properly screen these folks? There's stories of syrian refugees seeking translators from other non arabic languages. Easy flag. Also what if there are ISIS terrorists among them? Even if only 1% of them are terrorists, and we take in 25,000. That's 250 terrorists.

- Also accepting many refugees can open a floodgate which really just helps the smugglers get rich.

- This really doesn't really help the root cause of why they are leaving, and does depopulating syria really help them?

[Manic!]

Refugees and immigrants are not a burden on Canada but a benfit. They make Canada better.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/50cca155e4b0c301a8212ad4/t/56262160e4b0d3b12af179bd/1445339488735/

Came here as a refugee from Afghanistan and now is the minister of democratic Institutions.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001064/f1/1207igali5-v6.jpg

Daniel Igali refugee from Nigeria. Olympic Gold medal winner.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2342987.1429880888!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

Randa Markos. Iraq refugee now a UFC fighter.

That's 3 of many. People who came here with nothing and now are thriving.

A couple of more stories. http://ccrweb.ca/en/35journeys

[Mr.HappySilp]

Refugees and immigrants are not a burden on Canada but a benfit. They make Canada better.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/50cca155e4b0c301a8212ad4/t/56262160e4b0d3b12af179bd/1445339488735/

Came here as a refugee from Afghanistan and now is the minister of democratic Institutions.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/001064/f1/1207igali5-v6.jpg

Daniel Igali refugee from Nigeria. Olympic Gold medal winner.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2342987.1429880888!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

Randa Markos. Iraq refugee now a UFC fighter.

That's 3 of many. People who came here with nothing and now are thriving.

A couple of more stories. 35 Journeys | Canadian Council for Refugees (http://ccrweb.ca/en/35journeys)

There also others who came with no education and are a burden to the society. Just look at Europe. If the refugees are as good as you said all of the Europe countries should be welcoming and fighting to get more refugees in not denying them.

[Manic!]

There also others who came with no education and are a burden to the society. Just look at Europe. If the refugees are as good as you said all of the Europe countries should be welcoming and fighting to get more refugees in not denying them.

There are also people that are born here and are nothing but a burden on the government. Canada is the second largest country in the world With a population of 35.5 million and there is also a need for low skilled workers.

[jasonturbo]

A) The Syrians are not actually refugee's, they are migrants.

B) I wish I was a Syrian migrant so I could afford to return to Vancouver.

C) If we weren't on the other side of the planet accepting Syrian migrants would actually make sense.

D) Manic! you clearly have no concept of what it means to be objective or to provide an un-biased opinion. There will obviously be examples of immigrants and refugees who have both benefited the country and negatively impacted the country. Picking out three people and saying "LOOK, see???" means nothing.

I don't consider athletes to be good examples of immigrants who have "benefited the country", what the fuck is the benefit to the country for us to win a medal at the Olympics?????

[The_AK]

Are you Syrias?

[Manic!]

B) I wish I was a Syrian migrant so I could afford to return to Vancouver.



If a crackhead can live in Vancouver whats holding you back from living in Vancouver?

[SkunkWorks]

If a crackhead can live in Vancouver whats holding you back from living in Vancouver?

4444's posts.

[JDMStyo]

There are also people that are born here and are nothing but a burden on the government. Canada is the second largest country in the world With a population of 35.5 million and there is also a need for low skilled workers.

You serious?

World's 50 Most Populous Countries: 2014 (http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html)

[StylinRed]

You serious?

World's 50 Most Populous Countries: 2014 (http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/most-populous-countries.html)

:rukidding: he meant 2nd largest in terms of land area... :rukidding:

[rslater]

For the past decade Canada has let in between 22,000 and 27,000 refugees every year and not one person in Canada for all I know has ever complained until now.

Canada's refugees by the numbers: the data - Canada - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/canada-s-refugees-by-the-numbers-the-data-1.3240640#arrivals)

Do you guys remember all those terrorist attacks we've had on our soil in the last ten years that were caused by the refugees?

Letting in 25,000 Syrians isn't a drastic jump in what our country has always done and the fear mongering I'm witnessing is outrageous. Fuck 9/11 happened and we let thousands in.

[westopher]

Sense.....you has it. I'd thank you 100x if I could for bringing a number that puts things into perspective into the discussion.
As usual, there is a bunch of Facebook hysteria that divides people to the two furthest extremes of the argument with little knowledge of anything about it.

[ae101]

nothing wrong with refugees in canada, its just that vancouver/lower mainland is expensive thats all

[StylinRed]

attendees to a Welcoming party for refugees, in Vancouver, were pepper sprayed by some guy riding a bike

Crowd pepper-sprayed at Syrian refugee welcome party - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2016/01/09/crowd-pepper-sprayed-at-syrian-refugee-welcome-party/)

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – Vancouver police have converged on the Muslim Association of Canada Centre on Kingsway after a pepper-spraying incident.

It happened during a “welcome night” for newly-arrived Syrian refugees.

Police say it happened around 1030pm while a large crowd of men, women and children were gathered outside the MAC centre.

A man wearing a white-hooded sweatshirt is said to have rode by on a bike, spraying around 20 people.

The VPD says a number of people were treated on scene for exposure to the spray by Vancouver Fire and Rescue Services.

Police are still searching for a suspect.

No word on a possible motive.

[gramser57]

I work in a hotel in downtown Vancouver, the government has allocated 50 rooms to syrian migrants 60% of them are children.

[Tone Loc]

For the past decade Canada has let in between 22,000 and 27,000 refugees every year and not one person in Canada for all I know has ever complained until now.

Canada's refugees by the numbers: the data - Canada - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/canada-s-refugees-by-the-numbers-the-data-1.3240640#arrivals)

Do you guys remember all those terrorist attacks we've had on our soil in the last ten years that were caused by the refugees?

Letting in 25,000 Syrians isn't a drastic jump in what our country has always done and the fear mongering I'm witnessing is outrageous. Fuck 9/11 happened and we let thousands in.

I think the irony is that a few thousand (out of the total of 25,000) refugees come to Vancouver/Lower Mainland area and everyone loses their minds because of whatever prejudices they may have.

Meanwhile, significantly more foreign investors - who, IMO, are doing far more damage to Canada than any refugee could ever hope to achieve - are sitting pretty in their multimillion-dollar houses because the government invited them to come and live here. And with the exception of a few articles in the news and one notable protest, nobody cares enough to do anything about it or ask the government why.

It's a numbers thing... personally I am more worried about the 100% reality that our housing market and economy has been skewed by these individuals who don't give a fuck about Canadians, rather than the 0.0001% PROBABILITY that one of these refugees MAY snap and pull off a terror attack...

[Mr.HappySilp]

I work in a hotel in downtown Vancouver, the government has allocated 50 rooms to syrian migrants 60% of them are children.

How come the gov doesn't do that for our homeless?

[Jmac]

How come the gov doesn't do that for our homeless?
The hotel thing is temporary housing ... like a couple of days in most cases ...

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ we could still do that for the homeless say during winter when is really cold. So the homeless have a place to stay when is cold it will only be a few days.

[Jmac]

^^ we could still do that for the homeless say during winter when is really cold. So the homeless have a place to stay when is cold it will only be a few days.
It's an option, but that would be a very expensive way to do it and it would happen several times a year even in Vancouver (and several times a month in most Canadian cities during the winter) as opposed to once every ??? decades (has the Federal government ever taken on this many refugees in this short of a time period to necessitate something like this before?)

[CRS]

^^ we could still do that for the homeless say during winter when is really cold. So the homeless have a place to stay when is cold it will only be a few days.

I believe there are temporary shelters for this very reason.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I believe there are temporary shelters for this very reason.

There are still shortages even with the shelters.

[CRS]

There are still shortages even with the shelters.

I get that. However, it's not like we're temp housing ALL Syrian refugees in Vancouver hotels.

[parm104]

Meanwhile, significantly more foreign investors - who, IMO, are doing far more damage to Canada than any refugee could ever hope to achieve - are sitting pretty in their multimillion-dollar houses because the government invited them to come and live here.

personally I am more worried about the 100% reality that our housing market and economy has been skewed by these individuals who don't give a fuck about Canadians.

Although I agree with the first half of your post, I'm curious to know, what % of our Vancouver housing market is owned by foreign investment?

[meowjinboo]

^^ we could still do that for the homeless say during winter when is really cold. So the homeless have a place to stay when is cold it will only be a few days.

The government does enough for them.

I spend enough time in the DTES to know that for most residents there is no point of return.

[noclue]

So what kind of hotels are the government putting them... if it's the fairmont or the four seasons i'll be choked.

[Bouncing Bettys]

So what kind of hotels are the government putting them... if it's the fairmont or the four seasons i'll be choked.
Not sure, let me go check Facebook...OMG they each get a Buggatti and a personal butler?!?!

[Manic!]

^^ we could still do that for the homeless say during winter when is really cold. So the homeless have a place to stay when is cold it will only be a few days.

You want to share a hotel with a crack addict or a person who drinks till he balcks out all the time?

Some people are just not capable of living with other people.

[Jmac]

So what kind of hotels are the government putting them... if it's the fairmont or the four seasons i'll be choked.
The hotels had to bid on hosting the refugees, anyways, so it's cost controlled.

[Mike Oxbig]

Syrians could be the savior of the canadian economy dropping wages for more jobs

[Eastwood]

I don't mind the refugees as long as we're getting women and children.

+90% of the refugees in Europe are men between the ages of 20-30. Guys that ruined their own country and want to go there for the benefits. I feel bad for Europe but its their fault for inviting them in.

[Mr.Money]

^^^...don't forget about that fuck up in germany with a group of them touching women on the streets.

and hotels for homeless??..you don't want those useless fuckers stealing blankets and pillows to sell later for they're drug habit

[hchang]

^^^...don't forget about that fuck up in germany with a group of them touching women on the streets.

and hotels for homeless??..you don't want those useless fuckers stealing blankets and pillows to sell later for they're drug habit

*their

[Jmac]

I don't mind the refugees as long as we're getting women and children.

+90% of the refugees in Europe are men between the ages of 20-30. Guys that ruined their own country and want to go there for the benefits. I feel bad for Europe but its their fault for inviting them in.
The Canadian government is targeting young families and single mothers. Single males are last on their list.

[Verdasco]

has anyone been to europe and experienced what its like with the new refugees? i still can not believe what i see on the media... its crazy

[Mr.HappySilp]

Syrians could be the savior of the canadian economy dropping wages for more jobs

Yes coz min wage is enough to live in Vancouver....... we don't need min wage to be lower.

[BoostedBB6]

Yes coz min wage is enough to live in Vancouver....... we don't need min wage to be lower.

I think he was being sarcastic.

[E-40six]

looks like a huge shit show in France with the migrants breaking into the trucks to get a free ride into Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESI4pTDI9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FITkN0hn3wY

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ i say this justify the truck drivers to tease these or simply shoot them with machine guns.

[CharlesInCharge]

^^ i say this justify the truck drivers to tease these or simply shoot them with machine guns.Mr.HappySilp do you condemn Canada for sending terrorists into Syria where some of these refugees have been displaced from?
Then your feelings should be that these foot travelers deserve escorts, money for food and shelter, to ease them of their plight.

Or do you turn a blind eye... because if its not brown brainwashed mercenaries overthrowing free nations, it would mean Canadian, U.S., NATO and other Commonwealth soldiers would have to take ISIL's place... maybe even have you or your future son drafted in a major world war.

Maybe unconsciously, members support ISIL and just hope none of that "dirt?" washes up in our clean civilized, ultra moralistic countries like Canada,

[Mr.HappySilp]

Mr.HappySilp do you condemn Canada for sending terrorists into Syria where some of these refugees have been displaced from?
Then your feelings should be that these foot travelers deserve escorts, money for food and shelter, to ease them of their plight.

Or do you turn a blind eye... because if its not brown brainwashed mercenaries overthrowing free nations, it would mean Canadian, U.S., NATO and other Commonwealth soldiers would have to take ISIL's place... maybe even have you or your future son drafted in a major world war.

Maybe unconsciously, members support ISIL and just hope none of that "dirt?" washes up in our clean civilized, ultra moralistic countries like Canada,

Since most ppl drive I would assume you would too. Let me ask you how would you feel if some strangers (not just one but a few) start banging on your car while you stop at a red light and start kicking your car as well? Would you feel Oh well these ppl might be just bums looking for change or food? And are you ok with them damaging your car that you spend your savings on? Also you will have to pay for the damage they cause. If people on the highway weave at you needing a ride would you let them in your ride when their clothes are wet and dirty and you run the risk of being mug rob, injury or kill by the person you just pick up?

Coz I know I won't and I am pretty sure most ppl won't as well. So should these truck drivers deserve this? Why should they give ppl free ride? Why should they put their lives in danger (you never know what if one of these refugee will kill you or hurt you). And why should they allow other to just damage their trucks? Or their company's truck (they might lose their job for this). I see that these refugee are damaging other people's property with no regards and even harm these truck drivers. If anyone try this shit with my property or my family I sure will do whatever it takes to make them stop and that's including putting a bullet in their head.

[CharlesInCharge]

Since most ppl drive I would assume you would too. Let me ask you how would you feel if some strangers (not just one but a few) start banging on your car while you stop at a red light and start kicking your car as well? Would you feel Oh well these ppl might be just bums looking for change or food? And are you ok with them damaging your car that you spend your savings on? Also you will have to pay for the damage they cause. If people on the highway weave at you needing a ride would you let them in your ride when their clothes are wet and dirty and you run the risk of being mug rob, injury or kill by the person you just pick up? Whats the point of this... refugees are trying to hitch a ride with the trucks... people were angry because he tried to run them over. A truck cant come to a stop like a car can. Had one of these men tripped to the ground, his life would be smeared across the concrete like red paint.

You speak as if its some disaster\drug zombie apocalypse has happened and people are so desperate that they'd kill the driver so that they'd get better meals, tents, and blankets in the next country.

Also you speak as if the truck drivers livelihood is at stake for having to pay for his "damaged" truck. Thats what insurance is for and Im sure mandatory for trucks on the road... boohoo.

Your comment of using a machine gun on them just reeks of all the sheeple hate thats so hip to throw at the refugees right now.

Coz I know I won't and I am pretty sure most ppl won't as well. So should these truck drivers deserve this? Why should they give ppl free ride? Why should they put their lives in danger (you never know what if one of these refugee will kill you or hurt you). And why should they allow other to just damage their trucks? Or their company's truck (they might lose their job for this). I see that these refugee are damaging other people's property with no regards and even harm these truck drivers. If anyone try this shit with my property or my family I sure will do whatever it takes to make them stop and that's including putting a bullet in their head.Why should the driver deserve this? He lives in a ZioAmerican puppet state (aka NATO) which helped create and still supports ISIS... was the truck driver expecting to live in a stable and noble country? Do you.. knowing we back the killing of Ukrainians, having skyrocketing housing, devalued currency... its time members blame the powers that be then flex their mental muscles on destitute humans displaced by war and economic depression engineered by the west.

[Mr.HappySilp]

If you watch the full video of the 2nd footage you will have know that these refugees are breaking to the the back of trucks and getting in. That is a not the same as trying to ask nicely for a ride. They are damaging someone else property. I don't care if you walk 10milies already. Just ask any RS member here if some hobo try to that to their ride are they just going to let it slide or beat the crap out of the person who did it? If it is a group of people who repeatedly do this are they going to do what the truck drivers did? I am pretty sure a lot of ppl will agree to what the truck drivers did.

https://youtu.be/FITkN0hn3wY?t=20s
if you watch a for a min you would have see that these refugee are breaking in the back of the trucks damaging the vehicles. So you are saying that you support these actions and truck drivers should just let them what they want? The truck drivers are simply protecting their own property. Nothing wrong with that.

https://youtu.be/FITkN0hn3wY?t=4m
again even the reporter are saying the refugees are breaking into trucks and they have been tear gased.

https://youtu.be/FITkN0hn3wY?t=3m50s
Again this guy even said he lives nearby and he is afraid to let his daughter who is 18 out. He is scare these refugee will hurt his family coz of all the shouting and how the refugee acted.

You do know you have to pay a damage deposit before your insurance will pay for it right? Otherwise anyone could just claim damage and get away for free. But then I guess you never own a car and never pay for any insurance. Because if you did you would know that.

[6o4__boi]

we need a new fucking plague.


i never understand why people in such shit conditions reproduce like they need to repopulate the fucking Earth in a generation

logic that blows my fucking mind everytime i see it in shitty parts of the world...my life sucks, so i'll fuck my wife and have like 10 fucking mouths to feed in a span of 10 fucking years because that will make my life so much better. Then when shit hits the fan i'll go on youtube or someshit with my hungry fucking infants and beg the world for some mercy.

:fulloffuck:

yes, i was just stuck in a traffic jam.
i am not a big fan of unnecessary breeding
fucking pull out or wrap your fucking tools, there's more than enough of us out here

[iEatClams]

Since most ppl drive I would assume you would too. Let me ask you how would you feel if some strangers (not just one but a few) start banging on your car while you stop at a red light and start kicking your car as well? Would you feel Oh well these ppl might be just bums looking for change or food? And are you ok with them damaging your car that you spend your savings on? Also you will have to pay for the damage they cause. If people on the highway weave at you needing a ride would you let them in your ride when their clothes are wet and dirty and you run the risk of being mug rob, injury or kill by the person you just pick up?

Coz I know I won't and I am pretty sure most ppl won't as well. So should these truck drivers deserve this? Why should they give ppl free ride? Why should they put their lives in danger (you never know what if one of these refugee will kill you or hurt you). And why should they allow other to just damage their trucks? Or their company's truck (they might lose their job for this). I see that these refugee are damaging other people's property with no regards and even harm these truck drivers. If anyone try this shit with my property or my family I sure will do whatever it takes to make them stop and that's including putting a bullet in their head.

Also in Calais, migrants attack a bus full of school kids. One of the kids ended up having a seizure. Seriously wtf migrants? Imagine if that was your kid.

British school bus attacked in Calais causing one child to suffer epileptic fit | Metro News (http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/11/child-suffers-epileptic-seizure-on-school-bus-after-migrants-clash-with-police-5615475/)

[CharlesInCharge]

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You do know you have to pay a damage deposit before your insurance will pay for it right? Otherwise anyone could just claim damage and get away for free. But then I guess you never own a car and never pay for any insurance. Because if you did you would know that.Deductibles are a small payment for the kind of money truck drivers make... nowhere near to ruin a mans job to repair some door latch that other humans without proper tools could damage.
Anyway let me put this into another scenario.
If Alberta attacked B.C. and a First Nations reservation was one of the first area to be hit... meaning the Albertan's used their women for sex slavery, took the men hostage to fight with them or behead them if they refused...
so basically if a bunch of refugees were on highway fleeing such areas, needing a ride to Vancouver to stay in shelters, would you still machine gun one that try to jump on your truck?

[freelunch]

If we elaborate on your analogy, the refugees would have escaped the reserve and ended up in a small rural area like Golden with little free benefits and jobs. Safe to live, yes, but these refugees heard about Vancouver and the lavish benefits that the mayor wants to give them all. So they walked and hitched all the way to Hope BC where lots of truckers make a pit stop before rolling into Vancouver. There life is alright but it's not fun and glamorous And there's little work or free money. Now they want to hitch a ride but are getting angry because no trucker wants to pick them up.



Deductibles are a small payment for the kind of money truck drivers make... nowhere near to ruin a mans job to repair some door latch that other humans without proper tools could damage.
Anyway let me put this into another scenario.
If Alberta attacked B.C. and a First Nations reservation was one of the first area to be hit... meaning the Albertan's used their women for sex slavery, took the men hostage to fight with them or behead them if they refused...
so basically if a bunch of refugees were on highway fleeing such areas, needing a ride to Vancouver to stay in shelters, would you still machine gun one that try to jump on your truck?

[SeedBNR]

we need a new fucking plague.


i never understand why people in such shit conditions reproduce like they need to repopulate the fucking Earth in a generation

logic that blows my fucking mind everytime i see it in shitty parts of the world...my life sucks, so i'll fuck my wife and have like 10 fucking mouths to feed in a span of 10 fucking years because that will make my life so much better. Then when shit hits the fan i'll go on youtube or someshit with my hungry fucking infants and beg the world for some mercy.

:fulloffuck:

yes, i was just stuck in a traffic jam.
i am not a big fan of unnecessary breeding
fucking pull out or wrap your fucking tools, there's more than enough of us out here

Thank you! I literally say this to people every fucking day

[CharlesInCharge]

Over population is a myth... the western world is so brainwashed and rat race beat down that rather then have children and feed their little stomachs, instead they spend their resources and time feeding dogs and cats... and that new Lexus to impress people.
If we elaborate on your analogy, the refugees would have escaped the reserve and ended up in a small rural area like Golden with little free benefits and jobs. Safe to live, yes, but these refugees heard about Vancouver and the lavish benefits that the mayor wants to give them all. So they walked and hitched all the way to Hope BC where lots of truckers make a pit stop before rolling into Vancouver. There life is alright but it's not fun and glamorous And there's little work or free money. Now they want to hitch a ride but are getting angry because no trucker wants to pick them up.Syria used to be a very civilized country with many thousands of years of culture... being homeless in a tent with subpar food, no security, and the modern building of Europe to only look at would probably be a hell hole experience for any member here or regular human.

[underscore]

Yes coz min wage is enough to live in Vancouver....... we don't need min wage to be lower.

Min wage is just fine for the rest of the province, not everyone lives in Van you know.

[GS8]

This might be off topic but oh well:

I remember decades ago when I was in elementary school social studies, we learned about prejudice and racism. We learned how the two should be kept separate if possible as prejudice could be due to simple ignorance whereas racism implies direct hate.

Some people impose prejudice remarks against refugees. Are they racist? I don't think many of them are. Do I think they lack education? Yes. Again, they just don't understand the full on facts of the refugees, their plight, the program, the sponsorship, the costs etc. Sadly despite the boom in technology and information, there's still a lot of dumb people who would rather listen to a friend of a friend than the scientifically backed FACTS.

Racism is clear implied hatred of and superiority over another race. Funny enough, I don't see a lot of that on the many discussions I read over the webz (beyond trolls).

An example I remember:

You're invited to a party. You ask the host who else is coming. After the host tells you who will be there, you learn there will be a family of black people attending. You heard OF them, hence knowing their colour.

Prejudice: You bring waffles & watermelon jelly because you think they'll enjoy it because you were told black people like watermelon and waffles so it's a good safe food to bring for everyone to enjoy.

Racism: You cancel your invite because THEY will be there, period.

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I think as with every culture on the planet, the vocal minority will always overshadow the quiet majority. I mean for all we know, some refugee family members could be terrified of them coming here based on what their people say about us.

[Tr1ll]

Refugee arrives in T.O., takes off niqab: 'I knew I was safe' | Fatah | Toronto (http://www.torontosun.com/2016/01/16/refugee-arrives-in-to-takes-off-niqab-i-knew-i-was-safe#.VprfLhBQAis.twitter)

[Timpo]

Syrian refugee flow to Vancouver and Ottawa temporarily halted over housing shortage
Pause only applies to government-assisted refugees whose costs are covered by the federal government
The Canadian Press Posted: Jan 18, 2016 7:53 PM ET Last Updated: Jan 18, 2016 7:53 PM ET
Syrian refugee flow to Vancouver and Ottawa temporarily halted over housing shortage - Politics - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/refugees-ottawa-vancouver-housing-shortage-1.3409441)

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Hassam Abousalleh is concerned about finding a permanent home for his family, including his three sons Baraa, 5, Abdallah, 14, and Karam, 13. (Catherine Rolfsen/CBC)


Two cities, Vancouver and Ottawa, are taking a break from accepting any more government-assisted Syrian refugees as agencies in both cities try to work through housing bottlenecks.

A surge of arrivals in the last month filled temporary housing to capacity and the settlement groups responsible say they need time to move people into permanent homes before they can accept any new cases.

The director of settlement for the Immigrant Services Society of B.C. says the pause in Vancouver will last five days, beginning Tuesday. Even though the group added 700 beds to its housing stock, it is still taking time to find permanent homes, Chris Friesen said.

"Nobody is stuck in an airport for a week or something like that," he said. "Overseas, what it means is either they will put them on later flights or they may (send) them to new centres that have current capacity just to keep the flow going," he said.

Friesen said it also took more time than expected for the federal immigration department to process the cheques newcomers use to pay for their first homes and other needs.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.3404636.1452815532!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/shahi-alradi.jpg
Shahi Alradi is looking for a homes for his family, including his one-year-old daughter Zain Alsham. (CBC)

In Ottawa, officials had been gearing up for large numbers of privately sponsored refugees but what came first was the influx of government-assisted ones, filling the available beds. A delay in accepting new government-assisted refugees could last as long as a week.

"The timing just needs to be spread out a bit, it's just been this huge influx over a two-week period," said Leslie Emory, the executive director of the Ottawa Immigrant Community Services Organization.

The pause only applies to government-assisted refugees, those whose costs are covered entirely by the federal government.

Upon arrival in Canada, they are sent to one of 36 cities that have resettlement agreements with the government. Of the 25,000 Syrians the Liberals plan to bring in by the end of February, about 15,000 are to be part of that category and 5,932 have arrived so far.

Privately sponsored refugees still arriving.

An early element of the resettlement plan called for refugees to be housed temporarily at military bases in Ontario and Quebec until permanent homes could be found, but that is now considered an option of last resort. No bases have taken refugees so far.

A spokesperson for the immigration department said the size of the refugee resettlement operations brings challenges and the department is working with communities buckling under the strain. The spokesperson did not immediately say whether other communities had requested a pause.

Privately sponsored refugees will continue to arrive in both Vancouver and Ottawa.

Immigration Minister John McCallum said Monday the resettlement challenge is on the government's mind. One thing he said is under consideration is finding a way to get Syrians into more French-speaking communities.

McCallum says more than 90 per cent of refugees that have arrived don't speak either of the official languages, creating what he calls a blank slate for refugees and provinces to teach them either English or French.

But language-training courses are in high demand across the country. Friesen said. While some cities have no wait lists, others see new immigrants wait for over a year.