[thebrownboy]

So uh when's this thing coming to Canada? Looking to get a new car in the new year (Around March or so) and don't know how much longer I can keep waiting for it :QQ: Does anyone know of an estimated time period?

Might have to get something else if it doesn't come soon BibleThump

[SpeedStars]

Wont be announced till summer of nest year likely. The coupe is going on sale in spring I believe so you should expect the announcement a few months after that. Price wise, I would say you're looking at 40-50k before tax for one

[swfk]

Just go to your preferred Honda dealer and be first on the waitlist with a refundable deposit

[Kalize]

Interested in the CTR, but I'm not 100% sold on the idea that Honda Canada will bring this car to Canada.

[thebrownboy]

Yea my budget is in between 40-50k so that isn't an issue.

I would go and be on the wait list but I want to see what kind of version we get here first. I'm sure that we won't get what they get on the other side of the world unfortunately.

[tegra7]

40+ k for a civic :lawl:

[Timpo]

40+ k for a civic :lawl:

Civic Mugen RR
K20A
260hp, 175lb-ft

4,777,500 yen ($52,064)

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/8456632+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/130_0804_03_z%2B2008_honda_mugen_civic_rr%2Bfront_ view.jpg

[a00755836]

Civic Mugen RR
K20A
260hp, 175lb-ft

4,777,500 yen ($52,064)

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/8456632+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/130_0804_03_z%2B2008_honda_mugen_civic_rr%2Bfront_ view.jpg
hmm. maybe i should wait +8 years and import that. but demand might make the fd2 cost exactly when it was new.

[AzNightmare]

40+ k for a civic :lawl:

If it's really going to be the same specs as the one that got the 7:50 time on the Nürburgring... :notbad:

But doubt that's going to be what the production model is getting.

[thebrownboy]

Even if it is anywhere near that, I'd still get it. Just as long as we don't get some watered down p***y model :rukidding:

[thumper]

wut? $40k+ for a civic :o

how much is a focus RS again?

[Spectre_Cdn]

wut? $40k+ for a civic :o

how much is a focus RS again?

36k+ USD on Ford.com.... So it's comparable

[SpeedStars]

Not sure if you follow the CivicX forums, but this is likely the model we will get First look at 2017 Civic Type R Hatchback Prototype! Spy pics | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum (http://www.civicx.com/threads/first-look-at-2017-civic-type-r-hatchback-prototype-spy-pics.350/). If you do a bit more research, you will see that Honda wants to make a type R hatch/coupe/sedan. The engine will likely be somewhere in the 300hp range (below that of the 9th gen ctr). I can't find the source for that ATM, but it was in an interview with one of the Honda of NA execs that said we would not be seeing the euro CTR engine as a direct swap but might be a slightly detuned version(emissions). Also, the civic type R they have in Europe is based off the 9th gen civic hatch. It has little to do with the 10th gen civic we have

[Nabatron]

difference between the two obviously is civic FWD and rs is AWD if that matters to people...I would go honda but hate FWD...and dont like fords...to each their own!

[kobe tai]

Ford RS can be priced out on the ford.ca website. It is slightly under $50K before tax.

[Bender Unit]

2017 Honda Civic Type R prototype for NA (Worldwide) :alone: shows up in Paris Motor Show

New 2017 Honda Civic Type R revs up in Paris | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/96563/new-2017-honda-civic-type-r-revs-up-in-paris)

This is the new Honda Civic Type R?Prototype | Top Gear (http://www.topgear.com/car-news/concept/new-honda-civic-type-rprototype)

[Cwift]

Those tri tips tho...

[SpeedStars]

The fenders, rear wheel arch, and hood scoop look...so aftermarket.... I feel like they could've done better to mold it into the body

[teggy604]

I am interested to see the JDM version for Japan if they do decide to import it there. Most likely they will get the more hardcore version of the CTR.

[RE-Jo]

The car looks like it is owned by somebody who went on a Canadian tire shopping spree...

[jaretron]

It's so ugly, I'm starting to hate Honda.

[twitchyzero]

wow that's a nice colour
looks like it wants to be a WRX or something...let's see how it performs.
but yeah i think most of us 80s/90s kids would rather have EK/FD CTR

[6o4__boi]

pretty aggressive looking
looks decent...could do without those ricey red stripes

[Nabatron]

my god they went full out retard on this cars design! Like previous post above look they went full out Canadian tire special on this car....

[fsy82]

is there a need for three muffler tips..just wow

[SpeedStars]

I think the 3 tips are for the selective exhaust sound. Aka you can have race car blast pipe sounds at the touch of a button

[european]

currently I don't really like it.. waiting to see what Spoon and Mugen has to offer though

[Akinari]

Looks curiously aggressive. I personally think it looks great.

Mind you, all of those angles and vents and such are functional.

[nsx042003]

modern Honda designs; where ugly is the theme.

[LP700-4]

To be fair this is just a prototype of the car. We all know how much Honda like to tone back the actual production models.

Probably will lose the lip kit all around, wheels will be something more conservative, diffuser will prob be gone.

IMO it'll look pretty good. Rather it be over aggressive than to be indifferent with any other normal Civic

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/c3lm0RXhr-c

[Traum]

To be fair this is just a prototype of the car. We all know how much Honda like to tone back the actual production models.

Probably will lose the lip kit all around, wheels will be something more conservative, diffuser will prob be gone.

IMO it'll look pretty good. Rather it be over aggressive than to be indifferent with any other normal Civic
More than any other manufacturer, Honda tends to show of "concept vehicles" that are probably 98% identical to their actual production cars. In that regard, I think the final product is going to look nearly identical to the "prototype".

Personally, the only thing I do not expect to see on the production car is the matte gloss paint and maybe the red accents on the front and rear skirts. I am seriously hoping the production car will come in 19" wheels as well instead of 20", but the huge Brembos may or may not allow that.

[Akinari]

If anything, the regular hatchback "prototype" serves as a testament to how close Honda keeps their prototypes to their production models these days. Judging by the spy shots of the camo'd Type-Rs making their rounds on the Nurb, this prototype in terms of bodywork, is pretty much exactly how the production Type-R will look, minus maybe the red lines on the lip/skirts.

The only visual differences between the production hatch and the prototype hatch is the smaller front lip and side skirt (rear lip is the same), 235/40R18 tires instead of 245/30R19 on the prototype, and a higher ride height, plus all the little things like the tinted tails and side markers etc. that's it.

[tofu1413]

^ yeah agreed.


most of the Honda "prototypes" over the years are pretty much 80-90% of the production car would be...


(unlike Toyota............ :lawl: )

[Akinari]

^ yeah agreed.


most of the Honda "prototypes" over the years are pretty much 80-90% of the production car would be...


(unlike Toyota............ :lawl: )
Or worse, Subaru...

[smoothie.]

I like it, I might just get the civic hatch sport and save 20k though.

[LP700-4]

http://www.civicx.com/attachments/4-jpg.1949/http://www.civicx.com/attachments/2-jpg.1953/

I guess the overall shape is going to be there, so expect the wide arches and stuff to be there but I think the production model will still be a lot less in your face than the prototype

[!e.lo_]

nah

[Akinari]

http://www.civicx.com/attachments/4-jpg.1949/http://www.civicx.com/attachments/2-jpg.1953/

I guess the overall shape is going to be there, so expect the wide arches and stuff to be there but I think the production model will still be a lot less in your face than the prototype
You do realize that concept and prototype mean two different things, and that the manufacturer vanity plate on that Civic concept clearly says "concept"

:rukidding:

Also, that concept is a precursor to the styling of the upcoming Si coupe, which will come with what is essentially the hatch front end with the square exhaust.

[mr00jimbo]

So what advantage does this have over a WRX?

[tofu1413]

So what advantage does this have over a WRX?

VTEC.





YO.

[Cwift]

Here are some interior shots of the prototype car, it'll probably be refined in the production cars cause it looks really tacky lol.
Interior Look: 2018 Civic Type R Prototype | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com (http://www.civicx.com/threads/interior-look-2018-civic-type-r-prototype.5813/)

[Timpo]

I wonder how much is this going to be.

$40k?

[nsx042003]

^ i have a feeling it'll be in the 50k+ range.

[Timpo]

^ i have a feeling it'll be in the 50k+ range.

:fuckyea:

[trollface]

I wonder how much is this going to be.

$40k?

No way. Honda always had retarded pricing on their sports cars (S2000)

[jasonturbo]

Just another ugly new car.

Honda hasn't been the same since the S2k was launched, every car since has sucked... at least from a "sports car" perspective.

Thought the 07+ Civic SI/CSX-S is a great comfy/quiet daily with a semi fun engine.. huge car though.

[Traum]

The current Civic hatch tops out at just north of $31k. I would expect a base Si to start somewhere around $32k - $33k, with the fully loaded Si weighting in at around $36k - $38k. So realistically, the CTR is going to start right at $40k.

For Honda's interest, they'd really want the car to start MSRP-ing below $40k -- ie. the bs $39,995 kind of thing.

[Akinari]

Just another ugly new car.

Honda hasn't been the same since the S2k was launched, every car since has sucked... at least from a "sports car" perspective.

Thought the 07+ Civic SI/CSX-S is a great comfy/quiet daily with a semi fun engine.. huge car though.
From a sports car point of view, from everything I've read even from the disbelievers who have driven the FK2 CTR, the amount of grip and confidence it inspires on the track is astonishing, it's an extremely quick vehicle based on what drivers are saying, and tons of downforce. Really no one complaining about anything in particular. I would assume this new one is even etter.

Size wise it is physically a tremendous amount larger than the CTRs of yore, but what isn't a tremendous amount larger than before these days aside from the MX-5 and dedicated sports cars? Times are changing, so are crash test regs, pedestrian safety, emissions req's etc. etc. blah blah blah

Plus it's really not much larger than the FD2/FN2, but more practical with a hatch compared to the FD, and two more doors compared to the FN. Too big? Buy a 3-door GTI. Too small? I dunno get a Pilot or something lol.

[smoothie.]

lets not kid ourselves.

it will be 50k.

[prelude_prince]

Not up to date on car news anymore. But isn't this 2017 Civic R already in production? I've seen a few them back in August in red and black already (in Hong Kong). Just not this brushed aluminum wrap.

[twitchyzero]

as a RHD hatchback yes
this is based on the new North American coupe

[Spectre_Cdn]

The 10th gen Civic Si ("protoype") was revealed today -- scroll to 5:20 for the actual reveal:

https://youtu.be/l4ylhp6szeY?t=5m20s

Press Photos (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/15/2017-honda-civic-si-coupe-prototype/)

TL;DW:
- 1.5L turbo
- LSD
- lighter and more rigid chassis
- adaptive steering and suspension
- optional brakes and HFP wheel package (no more machined face, black inners SeemsGood)
- looks like it has different bumpers, wing, center exhaust

NOT a detuned Type R engine BabyRage

[Bender Unit]

The 2017 Honda Civic Type R is a wonderful caricature of itself - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/07/2017-honda-civic-type-r-geneva-98721/#slide-4690742)

The 2017 Honda Civic Type R has just been officially revealed and here are the specs announced so far!
Turbocharged 2.0L inline 4-cylinder, direct injected, VTEC
306 horsepowers (@ 6500 RPM)
295 lb-ft torque (@ 2500-4500 RPM)
7000 RPM redline
FWD only
Short-throw six speed manual only (with rev match feature)
Single mass flywheel (reduces inertia by 25% vs 9th gen)
Lower final drive ratio (compared to 9th gen)
Dual-Axis strut setup
Exclusive spring, damper and bushing settings
Adaptive struts
Aluminum lower arms and steering knuckles
Helical limited slip differential
Retuned and adaptive dual-pinion electric power steering system with variable gear ratio
20-inch wheels
Continental ContiSportContact 6 tires (245/30/20)
Front: Brembo four piston calipers / 13.8 inch cross-drilled rotors
Rear: Brembo single piston calipers / 12 inch cross-drilled rotors
Sport seats standard
Leather-wrapped steering wheel, leather shift boot, the aluminum shift knob and pedal set, all standard.
Torsional rigidity is up 38% from 9th gen
Bending rigidity is up 45% from 9th gen
Weight is down slightly (-15 lbs) compared to a base 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback and down 35 lbs from 9th gen Type R
Aluminum hood
Driving modes: Comfort, Sport (default setting), and +R (affect steering response, throttle mapping, rev-matching settings, suspension settings, and stability control intervention)
Only available in Touring trim
Standard 7" touchscreen, navigation, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, 540-watt sound system
No pricing announced yet, but expected to be in mid-30k range.

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[snowball]

Why does Honda insist on using black paint to mask their body lines? Why not make the lines nice the right way? Same thing on the NSX, black paint to hide its ugly beak.

[Traum]

Maybe... kind of like how girls use mascara and eye shadow? :badpokerface:

[Badhobz]

so 30k for a sport, 40k for a si, and 50k for an type R!?!??! holy jebus. THats a pricey civic.

Whats the 0-60 times for the SI and the Type R suppose to be?

[VRYALT3R3D]

so 30k for a sport, 40k for a si, and 50k for an type R!?!??! holy jebus. THats a pricey civic.

Whats the 0-60 times for the SI and the Type R suppose to be?

Not that I disagree with you on pricing, but I bet it will be priced in Canada between the STi and the Focus RS. So probably high 40s. Focus RS goes for 46k with incentives.

The Type R has about 300 HP but it also weighs 2800 pounds. About 600 pounds less than the Focus RS. I am interested in actual performance times too! What an exciting time to be a car guy! I seen the Type R in person and it looked much better and more boy racer.

[Indy]

in the article it says "expect an MSRP in the mid-$30,000 range."

That's in the same range as the STI and Golf R ...that's a hard decision to make.

[dark0821]

i don't mind the front end... I think it actually looks nice... but too rice for my age??? FUUU I am getting old...

lol.. the rear with the tripe tail pipes though.... I mean damn.... can you at least make it the same size like the 458? ... the OCD in me just gets bothered to no end...

[VRYALT3R3D]

in the article it says "expect an MSRP in the mid-$30,000 range."

That's in the same range as the STI and Golf R ...that's a hard decision to make.

...in the U.S. Honda Press release today said low 40s, available in summer

[Traum]

in the article it says "expect an MSRP in the mid-$30,000 range."

That's in the same range as the STI and Golf R ...that's a hard decision to make.
STI starts at USD $35k
Focus RS starts at USD $36k
Golf R starts at USD $39k

All of the above are AWD cars.

And here we have the Civic Type R starting in the USD mid $30k range, and it is an FF.

So how mid $30k would it be for it to be competitive against the likes of the STI / FoRS / Golf R?

[Jmac]

...in the U.S. Honda Press release today said low 40s, available in summer
So ... like $55k Canadian ... which is like $7k more than its most expensive competitor.

[Badhobz]

It's going to be the 90s all over again with the jacking of the type r emblems. Hooooray

[VRYALT3R3D]

So ... like $55k Canadian ... which is like $7k more than its most expensive competitor.

No that was the Canadian press release that said low 40s. The U.S. CTR is being priced mid 30s.

[flagella]

15 years ago I would've probably liked the look.

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/0APb40IdAPI

[Potatoflex]

Hate the low profile tires and that massive wheelgap, can't wait to see how they look like dropped on a 19's + meaty tires :drool:

[ZN6]

OoO

see i can do it too. Maybe this will convince toyota and subaru to slap a turbo on their 86 next time around.

To be honest though, the rear end is too busy with fake vents and stuff that I would have loved when I was 6 years old

[dark0821]

I think you have to be a die-hard Honda fan to get this...

But last time I checked the Focus RS was selling for 52K + taxes at Key West Ford (the dealer mark up... I know), and that is me sitting down, talking numbers and took it to a good 20min test drive, put like 6KM on that thing lol... odo went from 27KM to 33KM when I was done with it... just for perspective, a base 5.0 GT is at 39K, a decently spec'ed with all the performance packages comes to like 47K and that is still undercutting the RS by 5000... yaya I know one is a 2 door rwd coupe, the other is a 4 door hatchback... but I am shopping as a second car anyways, my wife didn't give me a limit...

Went to Open Road VW afterwords, didn't get a test drive, but spec'ed out a Gold R with a sales rep and came out at 48K + taxes...

seriously though... if this is north of 50K like the RS is right now, they are going to lose alot of the market share on pricing alone...


And as mentioned... all those are AWD... the Type-R will have to be pretty special. My only hope is that Honda got the integra Type-R so right.. so maybe it could be an ace in the hole...

Personally, can never rock this look at my age lol... I would be ashamed to bring it to site checks to meet my clients with it hahaha

[320icar]

Man that thing is fucking hideous. Spec's are nice but holy hell its ugly

Edit, also to the post above me, I test drove an RS at brown bro's and it was 48k instead of 52k, also sitting down talking final mumbers

[Traum]

Saw one of the review videos, where the reviewer was fisting the CTR exhaust... :lawl:

Personally, can never rock this look at my age lol... I would be ashamed to bring it to site checks to meet my clients with it hahaha
This is such a true, hard reality for those who can responsibly afford this. The If you look at the CTR's competitors, the STI still rocks a giant wing, but at least the rest of the car looks sufficiently mature. The Focus RS looks aggressive, but the body lines are still clean and simple. The Golf R is downright buttoned down German handsome. And then we have this FK8 CTR... I mean, it's fine that we all have a wild side, but if you are a late 30's up to early 50's professional, there are gonna be... quite a number of situations where showing up with this FK8 is gonna look... inappropriate.

[VRYALT3R3D]

I think you have to be a die-hard Honda fan to get this...

But last time I checked the Focus RS was selling for 52K + taxes at Key West Ford (the dealer mark up... I know), and that is me sitting down, talking numbers and took it to a good 20min test drive, put like 6KM on that thing lol... odo went from 27KM to 33KM when I was done with it... just for perspective, a base 5.0 GT is at 39K, a decently spec'ed with all the performance packages comes to like 47K and that is still undercutting the RS by 5000... yaya I know one is a 2 door rwd coupe, the other is a 4 door hatchback... but I am shopping as a second car anyways, my wife didn't give me a limit...

Went to Open Road VW afterwords, didn't get a test drive, but spec'ed out a Gold R with a sales rep and came out at 48K + taxes...

seriously though... if this is north of 50K like the RS is right now, they are going to lose alot of the market share on pricing alone...


And as mentioned... all those are AWD... the Type-R will have to be pretty special. My only hope is that Honda got the integra Type-R so right.. so maybe it could be an ace in the hole...

Personally, can never rock this look at my age lol... I would be ashamed to bring it to site checks to meet my clients with it hahaha
There is a $4,500 incentive on 2016 Focus RS. Or at least here in Ontario. There is no reason to pay a mark up on a Ford. Even the GT350s here in Ontario go for under MSRP
http://kennedyford.ca/mustang/

[nsx042003]

I'm seeing honda canada's facebook page mentioning they are starting at low 40s now

[toyota86]

Maybe I'm old and yearning for simpler times, but I find the appearance of this new type r offensive. This car should be post-op, not pre-op. It would make sense if this car started as a base civic, driven for 10 years, then sold to some high school kid who thinks his new race car needed an ebay body kit.

This ek makes sense to me. It isn't beautiful but it had clean purposeful lines. The new one is screaming to the world, seeking its attention. The older stuff just casually hints that it had something special.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/EK9_small_1.jpg

[smoothie.]

im all for it.

all of it.

it resembles the stock hatchback nicely with a big wing and then styling here and there.

its about time we got it.

[loong]

Was bored and wondered what if...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/666/33304916126_8fc0c1bac4_b.jpg

[tofu1413]

Was bored and wondered what if...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/666/33304916126_8fc0c1bac4_b.jpg

90% of them would look like that upon initial release... probably on TE37SL. :pokerface:

[dark0821]

^ dont forget the tow hook/strap

[tofu1413]

And then it'll be a liberty walk car

[ah gon]

Imo,ce28 more suit for 4drs.

[dark0821]

And then it'll be a liberty walk car

actually.... I think liberty walk will actually really work for this car, since it already has all these vents/breaks/hooks and stuff... lol I mean it is busy enough as it is... a LB or Rocket Bunny will totally work on it... like the new NSX...

but yea... what I absolutely hate is these kits on a... 458, where it was meant to be simple and elegant...

[dark0821]

i am sorry that I missed it the first time around... but from the official website...

Mounted to the suspension are 20-inch aluminum alloy wheels shod with 245/30R 20 Continental ContiSportContact 6 performance tires.

damn... a factory civic with 20" rims.... lol how times have changed....

https://www.honda.ca/future-vehicles

[ssjGoku69]

What do you guys think would be the Type R's biggest competition?
306 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque

At $45k CAD, it seems pretty comparable vs an STI

[Traum]

What do you guys think would be the Type R's biggest competition?
306 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. of torque

At $45k CAD, it seems pretty comparable vs an STI
^^ Except the STI is AWD, while the CTR is FF. When the car needs a sudden burst of power, which setup do you think is gonna be more explosive?

[tofu1413]

STI motor probably has more mid range punch with 2.5L...


but then again CTR has newer engine tech....

[swfk]

Inb4 it only fits flat faced TEs

[Indy]

i'm not sure if people care too much that the CTR is FF and not AWD. Look at the market just below that. GTI, WRX, Focus ST..you see lots of GTIs on the road compared to WRXes (i'm sure interior quality has a lot to do with that too).

So although the Focus RS, STI and Golf R are awd, i'm not sure if the "average" enthusiast will care as long as the driving dynamics are there.

[dachinesedude]

This ek makes sense to me. It isn't beautiful but it had clean purposeful lines. The new one is screaming to the world, seeking its attention. The older stuff just casually hints that it had something special.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/EK9_small_1.jpg

still the best looking civic ever made imo

[thumper]

i raise the championship white EK9 submission with this pheonix yellow example:

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[thebrownboy]

I don't get why people are having such a hard time accepting FF. Back when the ITR and CTR first came out they destroyed competition in their respective classes and they were fun. And what were they? FF

I have full faith in Honda to make sure this car will do the same. You don't wait 15 years to bring back a car to not have full confidence that what you made won't be good. I have no issue with FF. I'm sure the car will be as fun as the original. And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well.

Long story short, I had no issues with the original Type R's being FF and have no issue with the new Type R being FF. I think people are just making it a big deal for no reason.

[dark0821]

I don't get why people are having such a hard time accepting FF. Back when the ITR and CTR first came out they destroyed competition in their respective classes and they were fun. And what were they? FF

I have full faith in Honda to make sure this car will do the same. You don't wait 15 years to bring back a car to not have full confidence that what you made won't be good. I have no issue with FF. I'm sure the car will be as fun as the original. And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well.

Long story short, I had no issues with the original Type R's being FF and have no issue with the new Type R being FF. I think people are just making it a big deal for no reason.

I don't want to be bench racers, but people make a big deal out of it because the released specs are subpar, being more of a city car than a highway cruise missile.

The first thing I looked at is 0-100... which is 5.3 seconds, that is slower than the Golf R, Focus RS, STi... and my EVO apparently. It's not due to Honda put a bad engine in there, the engine output is fine, on par or higher than most of the competition, but it fails to get off the line because of the FWD layout... that's why people make a big deal out of it...

Other than that, yes, I am sure Honda has done their homework, I would expect the R to at least hang with the competition....

And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well. sorry to break it to you... but that is just not gonna happen... beating the competition in some tests for sure, but no where destroying them....

[thebrownboy]

I don't want to be bench racers, but people make a big deal out of it because the released specs are subpar, being more of a city car than a highway cruise missile.

The first thing I looked at is 0-100... which is 5.3 seconds, that is slower than the Golf R, Focus RS, STi... and my EVO apparently. It's not due to Honda put a bad engine in there, the engine output is fine, on par or higher than most of the competition, but it fails to get off the line because of the FWD layout... that's why people make a big deal out of it...

Other than that, yes, I am sure Honda has done their homework, I would expect the R to at least hang with the competition....

And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well. sorry to break it to you... but that is just not gonna happen... beating the competition in some tests for sure, but no where destroying them....


Honda has never been about 0-60 times. The original Type R's were slow as s*it off the line. On a track though, that's a different story. These cars are not and never will be made for drag racing. If 0-60 matters to a person they should not be looking at Honda's.

[tofu1413]

I don't get why people are having such a hard time accepting FF. Back when the ITR and CTR first came out they destroyed competition in their respective classes and they were fun. And what were they? FF

I have full faith in Honda to make sure this car will do the same. You don't wait 15 years to bring back a car to not have full confidence that what you made won't be good. I have no issue with FF. I'm sure the car will be as fun as the original. And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well.

Long story short, I had no issues with the original Type R's being FF and have no issue with the new Type R being FF. I think people are just making it a big deal for no reason.



when the 96' spec ITR came out... it destroyed the R32 GT-R in the corners. Did that on track day two years ago with my 96' spec against a single turbo R32 GTR too at the ridge. Low speed to mid speed, watching the GTR plow out of the corner..... :awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah::awwyeah:

[teggy604]

It will be good to see the Civic Type R vs WRX STI vs Focus RS, vs Golf R at the track with all the same tires. Lets hope they can get the weight down on the CTR. Personally I could care less about the techies, and comfort features. If I wanted that I would have just gotten the Sport Touring. Keep it light, agile with a hint of oversteer. :D

[ilovebacon]

they only have those headlights for manual... :(

[dark0821]

Honda has never been about 0-60 times. The original Type R's were slow as s*it off the line. On a track though, that's a different story. These cars are not and never will be made for drag racing. If 0-60 matters to a person they should not be looking at Honda's.

Good points for sure.

For the average buyer though, how much track time do you think a Type-R will see...

Just talking about usability on a daily basis, it means the 3 AWD car I mentioned will be faster 90% of the time during the course of its life. And if I am spending 50 grand, you bet alot of people will be taking it into consideration.

On that note, how many people actually take their cars to the drag strip...

[tofu1413]

That's one thing I love of about the Type R Hondas: they are more like the old BMW M Cars that are more of a circuit ready machine first and road car second. Race car with licence plates.

They kick ass. I'm sure out of 100 Type R owners, at least 10 take them to the circuit a few times a year. (Unlike most newer BMW M buyers...)

[sdubfid]

bring back the design team from ~1988-2002

[Ikkaku]

I have full faith in Honda to make sure this car will do the same. You don't wait 15 years to bring back a car to not have full confidence that what you made won't be good. I have no issue with FF. I'm sure the car will be as fun as the original. And I'm sure it will give the competition a run for their money as well.


There was no 15 year hiatus for the CTR. On the other side of the world, they showed up as the EP3, the FD2 (or CSX for us)/FN2 in Europe, and lastly the FK2.

[Dragon-88]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17499391_10158311730375212_2638432224132382404_n.j pg?oh=c4244e5ecab856523702129ccee6f031&oe=5953C50F

Taken from a Friends FB Post.

[ah gon]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17499391_10158311730375212_2638432224132382404_n.j pg?oh=c4244e5ecab856523702129ccee6f031&oe=5953C50F

Taken from a Friends FB Post.
This picture from vancouver autoshow or local dealer?

[jcmaz]

Looks like a dealer. I'm pretty sure the auto show doesn't have windows and low ceiling height.

[Dragon-88]

I'm 90% sure its somewhere in Ontario since thats where my friend is for work right now. No MSRP yet, I already asked... LOL

[ah gon]

I'm 90% sure its somewhere in Ontario since thats where my friend is for work right now.

Thx! Im looking forward the autoshow @tomorrow will have typeR available for view

[Traum]

It'd suck if it is all cordoned off like the above pic at the autoshow. It's a frickin Civic, not a Ferrari or some sort. If you don't want nosy people poking the car around, just lock the doors. As a manufacturer car, you might as well not bring it along if it had to be cordoned off like that.

[thebrownboy]

It'd suck if it is all cordoned off like the above pic at the autoshow. It's a frickin Civic, not a Ferrari or some sort. If you don't want nosy people poking the car around, just lock the doors. As a manufacturer car, you might as well not bring it along if it had to be cordoned off like that.

It looks like it's parked next to an NSX and they're both cordoned off together

[Cwift]

With the premier of the Focus RS last year, it wasn't coned off, just locked. Hopefully the CTR won't be coned off.

[Timpo]

If anyone is looking for cheaper alternative to the Type-R

http://automobiles.honda.com/-/media/Honda-Automobiles/Vehicles/2017/Civic-Si/social/2017-civic-si-front-driver-prototype-1200.jpg
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2875947.1479318079!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/2017-honda-civic-si-prototype-side-profile.jpg
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/_sp_1152.jpg?itok=w1VEzwHJ
https://www.cstatic-images.com/stock/1170x1170/60/img1260659192-1479156949560.jpg

[Timpo]

Honda needs to add more cars like they used to :D

Honda Torneo Euro R
https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1259/4598236576_a40fb062c0_b.jpg

Honda Accord Type-R
https://www.carthrottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Japfest_59-690x435.jpg

Acura Integra Type-R
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/44/768x384/gallery-1445869036-roa110115dpt-bootcolin1.jpg

Honda NSX-R
http://cdn4.3dtuning.com/info/Honda%20NSX%201990%20Coupe/factory/2.jpg

[68style]

I'm waiting for the Timpo Type-R

[Dragon-88]

Thx! Im looking forward the autoshow @tomorrow will have typeR available for view

I just found out the type-r at the auto show is a prototype and the one in the pic is the actual production model, in Markham Ontario.

[Timpo]

I'm waiting for the Timpo Type-R

:suspicious:

[Timpo]

Why did Honda base the Civic Type-R using the 4 door hatchback platform?

Wouldn't it make sense and go faster with the coupe?

[Timpo]

The New Civic Type R | Honda (http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/civic-type-r)

[TopsyCrett]

Why did Honda base the Civic Type-R using the 4 door hatchback platform?

Wouldn't it make sense and go faster with the coupe?

A lot of things that Honda does always appear to not make sense at first.

However, after the public gets their hands on the car opinions always, always change.

It would make sense if this car was AWD, or a Coupe, or RWD etc etc...

But I can guarantee that all of that won't matter. The actual experience, and how much thought was put in by Honda engineers always goes against what is on simply put on paper.

[Cillu]

The Type-R at the auto show is the prototype and its cordoned off unfortunately.

[320icar]

Why did Honda base the Civic Type-R using the 4 door hatchback platform?

Wouldn't it make sense and go faster with the coupe?

1. The people who can afford that civic now have families.
2. Golf R, sti, focus RS, focus ST, gti, Mercedes gla/cla 45 amg etc etc they are all 4 door. It's what the market wants

[6o4__boi]

mmm those Si rims are a nice departure from the current crop

[shiesty]

Is it just me or does the Si look better than the Type R?

[bcuzracecarz]

Anyone know the specs on the SI motor?

[boibuddha]

Honda released a statement somewhere that the Si would have 190ish lb-ft of torque. HP is a guesstimate of 220-230

[!Aznboi128]

Si should be coupe/ sedan only.

[320icar]

Is it just me or does the Si look better than the Type R?

Not sure if it looks better, but it reminds me soooo much of the ~2011 or so accord coupe. Probably the same size too since all cars keep getting bigger

https://a.gaw.to/photos/2/7/4/274200_Honda_devoile_la_nouvelle_Civic_Si_2018.jpg ?1024x640

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/HONDA-Accord-Coupe-5122_32.jpg

[LP700-4]

Anyone try to get one of these on order at a dealer yet? Wonder how demand and such will affect dealer allocations and markup. Granted its a Civic not a Ferrari but more people can afford a 42k civic than a 400k Ferrari.

[scoobyej20]

20" rims.. stock on a Type R.... :crazy2:

[Mr.Money]

yikes...why is there Oreo Cookie tires on a type R...Would it wear down faster vs reg 17'' and cost way more cause performance?

[type-j]

I would definitely swap out those 20's for a set of 17 or 18" aggressive wheels with some meaty meaty tires 😎

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[ah gon]

I would definitely swap out those 20's for a set of 17 or 18" aggressive wheels with some meaty meaty tires 😎

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Cant clear 17" i believe since the BBK.

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/6LAB4cZ2V3Y

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/hM2NlK3HIRY

https://youtu.be/h1YiQwqYV4s

[twitchyzero]

stripped with sticky tires?

[thumper]

stripped with sticky tires?

2018 Honda Civic Type R sets front-drive Nurburgring record - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/24/2018-honda-civic-type-r-sets-nurburgring-record/)

That's right folks, we have a new front-drive record holder at the Nürburgring. Honda set a lap time of 7 minutes and 43.8 seconds at the famed German racetrack. That puts it a bit over three seconds ahead of the former record holder, the Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport S, a super-limited edition, 306-horsepower monster GTI. That also means the Type R is just under three seconds shy of the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1's record. According to the Type R's lead chassis engineer, the car was capable of such a time thanks to a wider track, longer wheelbase, wider tires, improved suspension, and better aerodynamics than its predecessor.

Honda of course has its own recording of the lap, seen above, to show it isn't lying about the time. The company says the car is representative of a production car, although a few modifications have been made. Honda fitted a roll cage for safety, and it claims that it had no affect on chassis rigidity. It also removed the rear seats and infotainment display to offset the extra weight of the cage. Honda also says the car used "street legal, track-focused tires."

Now before you all start mashing the keyboard to take Honda to task for making these modifications, this is a good time to remember that we shouldn't get wound up over 'Ring times. As we talked about during the Huracán Performante controversy, not only are most times, including the previous VW one, not perfectly impartial and trustworthy since they're performed and recorded by the manufacturer, they're also only a measure of performance in one very specific situation. In short, take these records with a packet of salt, and recognize that a fast car at the 'Ring isn't necessarily a fast car everywhere. That doesn't mean we can't have some fun seeing what cars are quicker at this track, but it does mean that you should save your fury for more worthy causes.

[donjalapeno]

Anyone try to get one of these on order at a dealer yet? Wonder how demand and such will affect dealer allocations and markup. Granted its a Civic not a Ferrari but more people can afford a 42k civic than a 400k Ferrari.

One RS member ordered it already.

[thumper]

https://youtu.be/6sPSlW4EEe4

[Traum]

Still slower than a Corvette Z06 and a 911 GT3 RS.

Do not want. :pokerface:

[Traum]

This is a more telling video of how the new CTR is able to achieve the much faster laptime compared to its predecessor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM2NlK3HIRY

[thumper]

meanwhile somewhere in europe... from facebook:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18119149_1758214554205415_692993151592613992_n.jpg ?oh=469a0452419797a81c00974eaf09ed4c&oe=597471A7

(Credit: Stuart Pridham UK.)

is this the only color available or something? :lol

[twitchyzero]

much downforce

[thumper]

if anyone is gonna try a fast and furious heist... i think this would be a good candidate ;)

[tofu1413]

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fastandfurious/images/c/c3/Dom%27s_Civic_-_Final_Truck_Heist_%282%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160121044859


with that wing, the franchise predicted this 15+ years ago

[Kalize]

Anyone place an order for one yet?

[Bender Unit]

Anyone place an order for one yet?

There's no price release from Honda Canada yet (or any other country)
All people can do it at the moment is place a deposit and get on their waiting list
Hope Dealership will honor it.

[inv4zn]

US Price leaked today.

$33,900 + destination. I suspect it'll be ~40K here?

http://www.civicx.com/attachments/2017-civic-type-r-sticker-jpg.38871/

[white rocket]

You lost me a MacPherson front strut suspension. Ha! Anyone buying one should stock up on floor mats. The ITR floor mat craze is serious business for anyone holding inventory.

[pherio]

You lost me a MacPherson front strut suspension. Ha! Anyone buying one should stock up on floor mats. The ITR floor mat craze is serious business for anyone holding inventory.

Haven't all civics been MacPherson front strut since 02?

[Traum]

US Price leaked today.

$33,900 + destination. I suspect it'll be ~40K here?

Honda Canada has previously indicated that the CTR will MSRP somewhere in the $40's. Looking at the starting prices of its competitors (FoRS, STI, Golf R, etc.), I think it'd make little business sense if Honda prices it anywhere above $41k.

Haven't all civics been MacPherson front strut since 02?
Since 01, actually. The 6th gen's last model year was 2000. The 7th gen's first model year is 01.

[inv4zn]

Honda Canada has previously indicated that the CTR will MSRP somewhere in the $40's. Looking at the starting prices of its competitors (FoRS, STI, Golf R, etc.), I think it'd make little business sense if Honda prices it anywhere above $41k.


They undercut the competition down south, so they'll probably do the same here.

I understand they're different cars for different markets, but when I got my Touring Sedan, the Canadian price was only like $500 more than the USD version down south.

I paid ~28K CAD for mine, and the same car was ~27K USD down south. The Americans were pretty upset haha

[ZN6]

You lost me a MacPherson front strut suspension. Ha! Anyone buying one should stock up on floor mats. The ITR floor mat craze is serious business for anyone holding inventory.

What's wrong with Nanny Mcphee suspension? Porsche seems to be doing ok with them. Well, I guess engine placement makes a difference...

[GS8]

Flood of Type R review vids on youtube right now. Press events at the track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_02Qtl-yZyk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFhd2Ubaagw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_97qlzkNkg

[pherio]

Can't say that I'm surprised since all Hondas are switching to them but:

Electronic E-Brake:rukidding:

[6o4__boi]

as much as i dislike electronic e-brakes, that brake hold feature is pretty nice to have in a line up though

[oldsnail]

The online configuration page is out on the US site

2017 Civic Type R: Aggressive & Powerful New Design | Honda (http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-type-r#build-price)

[320icar]

as much as i dislike electronic e-brakes, that brake hold feature is pretty nice to have in a line up though

My focus has hill assist etc but still has a real cable parking Hand brake

[thumper]

My focus has hill assist etc but still has a real cable parking Hand brake

so does my mustang, but i'm told there is a way to override it because it tends to hang on too long and you can end up with a jumpy start off the line.

[jasonturbo]

The online configuration page is out on the US site

2017 Civic Type R: Aggressive & Powerful New Design | Honda (http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-type-r#build-price)

"Pick your color"

That's basically it.

[320icar]

so does my mustang, but i'm told there is a way to override it because it tends to hang on too long and you can end up with a jumpy start off the line.

Lolol yeah just turn it off. It's under driver settings

[Traum]

I wonder how much "stuff" from the CTR is a direct bolt-on to the regular cars...

[smoothie.]

"Pick your color"

That's basically it.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT?!

[teggy604]

I was looking at the Type R spec sheets and this thing is loaded. Driving nannies, entertainment and all the bells and whistles. Maybe for next yr they could put a HUD for racing lines of all the road courses and braking points that turn red. Just like in Forza and Gran Turismo.

[twitchyzero]

spec sheet wars

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Wpd86g3c--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jpxk4i3v9jjgyeaigqqk.gif

deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 (http://jalopnik.com/by-the-numbers-2017-honda-civic-type-r-vs-focus-rs-wr-1796140398)

[Oshiguru]

Hoping Type-R sales stay high so that Mazda releases a new ms3 hatch and subaru release a wrx/sti hatch.

Also that rev match feature is awesome. Loved it on the F8X M3/M4, made daily driving fun and would probably allow you to focus better on your lines when at the track.

[nsx042003]

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me

[ah gon]

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me
Not only u.same here

[tegra7]

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me

CTR look has grown on me also. Champ white and polished metal would have to be my two favorite color choices.

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTURtQvSvHI

[AzNightmare]

I was looking at the Type R spec sheets and this thing is loaded. Driving nannies, entertainment and all the bells and whistles. Maybe for next yr they could put a HUD for racing lines of all the road courses and braking points that turn red. Just like in Forza and Gran Turismo.

Not surprised... how else do you think a FWD is able to compete with supposed competition of AWD?.

[TouringTeg]

Got me right in the feels when I saw it had a badge # right by the shifter.

I would upgrade the exhaust and change to smaller white wheels.

[white rocket]

NH-0 all damn day but the Polished Metal looks great!

There's a dude on H-T selling his already. Haha! Just picked it up yesterday and now trying to flip. He's getting flamed for it but in this capitalist world how can you even hate on that? Especially if someone actually buys it from him.

[gilly]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

[tofu1413]

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me



i know that feel. its like buying a ferrari thats not red. :alone:

[Manic!]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

At that price it's going to sell as well as the new NSX. Better off waiting for someone to crash one and then swap the engine into a EK or EG hatch cause this one is ugly.

[Traum]

LOL~ $25k market premium. WTF is this stealership smoking?

[teggy604]

At that price it's going to sell as well as the new NSX. Better off waiting for someone to crash one and then swap the engine into a EK or EG hatch cause this one is ugly.


LOL. With all this Type R hype cant blame them for trying to milk the situation. There is always a sucker willing to pay.

[gilly]

LOL. With all this Type R hype cant blame them for trying to milk the situation. There is always a sucker willing to pay.

True dat. considering it is also a limited production car.

[keifun]

Maybe it's just me, any colour other than championship white isn't a "complete Type R" haha

I have to say the look is growing on me

No option for Sunlight/Phoenix Yellow?:alone:

[Galactic_Phantom]

True dat. considering it is also a limited production car.

Wait what? This is limited production? Source??

[Traum]

Various reviewers seem to be throwing around a 3000 units for the US -- at least for this first production run. To me, that is not a limited production type of car -- it is definitely still a mass produced vehicle. But it certainly isn't a huge number of cars.

I also wonder how many cars Canada will get too... Maybe 500 or less?

[twitchyzero]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

they couldn't have just been slimey and make up a bunch of BS fees that added up to that mark-up?

gotta appreciate the honesty though...no holding back...gotta give them credit for including the freight and PDI :alone:

hmm BMW M2 or a Civic...tough choice :smug:

[BaoTurbo]

LOL~ $25k market premium. WTF is this stealership smoking?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

60% markup LOL :smug:

[TouringTeg]

deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 (http://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-charging-way-over-msrp-for-the-2018-honda-c-1796181591)

[Badhobz]

People are cray cray. Why pay almost 30k markup for a car that's slower than the sti and golf r 0-60 and looks like a friggin gundam

[BaoTurbo]

People are cray cray. Why pay almost 30k markup for a car that's slower than the sti and golf r 0-60 and looks like a friggin gundam

That price isn't including province/state tax yet too. A fully loaded and taxed Golf R is still 10k cheaper than that Type R before taxes. And with that 10k+ you can make your Golf R with the same or more HP as Type R and still have money left over for mechanical mods (rims, tires, suspension)

[G0rilla]

Dont forget anything over 55k requires luxury tax too. Lol 'luxury" and "civic", theres two words I never thought would be in the same sentence.

[twitchyzero]

is luxury tax counted from the base price or does dealer mark-up get included?

[Qmx323]

is luxury tax counted from the base price or does dealer mark-up get included?

From total purchase price.

So yes its in the 15% bracket

[european]

I'd like to see what Spoon and Mugen will have for the new CTR

[oldsnail]

Canada will only have 2 colors

championship white and black pearl.

my honda rep said that the 2017's are basically all held with deposits.

[tofu1413]

Dont forget anything over 55k requires luxury tax too. Lol 'luxury" and "civic", theres two words I never thought would be in the same sentence.




factory 20" wheels on a civic...... already :heckno:

[ZN6]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

:heckno: dafuq? at least they're upfront on the gouging. this is all pretax as well.

Never thought I'd see the day when a civic is priced higher than an S4

[Bender Unit]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/gilbertgilly/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/gilbertgilly/media/Untitled_zpsvhi8agva.jpg.html)

This is US Pricing $33,900 US
Don't know how it link to our BC luxury 15% ($54,999+ vehicle)
But that's a crazy markup

No Canadian Price release yet.
rumor $42,000 CAD MSRP

[Traum]

What I'm curious about is how much the Canadian dealer markup would be.

Generally, our stealerships here don't tend to be as bloody greedy as their US counterparts. I suspect some might even sell it at MSRP.

[BaoTurbo]

What I'm curious about is how much the Canadian dealer markup would be.

Generally, our stealerships here don't tend to be as bloody greedy as their US counterparts. I suspect some might even sell it at MSRP.

It will just be a bidding war to the highest bidder just like when the RS came out. Someone is bound to buy it at a ridiculous price and that ONE salesperson is just going to be the luckiest one LOL

[donjalapeno]

2017s and 2018s are all sold at my dealership. Were getting like 3 of these cars per year apparently lol

[twitchyzero]

even if the gouge is real there's some solace in knowing your floor mats may fetch thousands and thousands of dollars one day :alone:

[AzNightmare]

2017s and 2018s are all sold at my dealership. Were getting like 3 of these cars per year apparently lol

lol, does Acura dealer get more NSX's per year?

[teggy604]

I'd like to see what Spoon and Mugen will have for the new CTR

It will be interesting. Factory is 306bhp but let's see how much more HP you can extract with simple bolt ons, and retune on the stock turbo. Maybe 450bhp?

[dark0821]

^ LOL.. bolt ons with a tune does not net you 50% hp increase.. I will say you should be expecting maybe 350-360hp range....

But you have to realise 360hp thru just the front wheels is... well lets just see how clever the LSD is....


on a different topic, did you see the rumour that Honda is thinking of releasing an AWD version? lolol I guess everyone who jumped on the band wagon early are just kicking themselves ....

[nns]

Article explaining the 3 exhaust pipes. Thought it was interesting how they were honest about not piping artificial sounds through the stereo. Very honest of Honda.

Civic Type R Middle Exhaust - Why the Civic Type R Has Three Tailpipes (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a10032609/why-the-2017-honda-civic-type-r-has-three-tailpipes/)

The 2017 Honda Civic Type R is here, and it's a knockout. The most hardcore Civic ever packs 306 turbocharged horses and claims to be the fastest front-drive car to ever lap the Nurburgring.

But what's up with that triple-tip exhaust? Some folks seem to think it's just an unnecessary styling feature, but it's much more than that—it's a precisely engineered, fully functional addition that's crucial to the Type R's aural experience. Road & Track spoke with Rob Keough, senior product planner for the 10th-generation Civic, to find out why a four-cylinder car is breathing through three tailpipes of two different diameters.

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"Traditionally with these big flow exhaust systems, when you get up into highway speeds, you can get a lot of droning, booming, buzzing—not very comfortable for high speed cruising," Keough told R&T. Honda wanted to offer a sporty, engaging sound in aggressive driving, without punishing drivers on long commutes or highway trips. And the automaker wanted to do so without resorting to stereo-enhanced engine sounds or complex (and expensive) multi-mode muffler systems.

The solution is to split the single exhaust into three pipes just behind the rear axle. The two outer pipes include large straight-flow mufflers. The center, smaller diameter pipe is a resonator, shaped and sized to perform a particular aural trick.


HONDA
At low speed—say, as you're full-throttle accelerating from a dead stop—some of the exhaust flows through the center resonator, generating a louder, more aggressive growl. "You'll hear it both outside and inside the car," Keough said. As you settle in to high speed cruising, the exhaust flowing through the center outlet hits a resonant frequency. The resonator gets stuffed with air, stalling the airflow; the resulting backpressure diverts the exhaust to flow exclusively through the larger outboard mufflers, reducing the cabin noise at highway speeds.

"It basically diminishes the resonator effect at that point, attenuating the sound inside the car," Keough said. "You still get your big flow through the outboard pipes, but you get a more refined in-cabin experience at high-speed cruising. " Under certain conditions, the center resonator can actually begin sucking air in, Keough said, creating a venturi effect flowing out through the outboard pipes.

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"When it’s not flowing through the center resonator, it’s not generating that extra resonance. So it’s not like you have zero exhaust sound, but you’re not generating this extra sporty sound that comes from the resonator," Keough told R&T. Additional insulation and aerodynamic tweaks to the Civic Type R help reduce in-cabin noise on the highway even further.


HONDA
While the exhaust system precisely manipulates sound and flow based on RPM and speed, there are zero moving parts and no electronics involved. That stays in line with the Type R's identity as a raw, honest machine, not the type of vehicle where you'd expect to find faked exhaust notes coming through the stereo. It also helps keep the one-trim-level-only Civic Type R's sticker price in the $34,000 range. "We didn’t build in servos or flap valves," Keough said. "This is a very simply designed system where you’re getting the effect without additional moving parts. It's a very durable, low cost and effective solution."

Of course, the Civic Type R is the kind of car that aftermarket tuners love to fiddle with—especially now that it's coming to the US market for the very first time. I asked Keough if he'll be frustrated to see owners cutting out this painstakingly-engineered three-tip system and replacing it with a big, boomy exhaust.

"We kind of anticipate that," he said. "We wanted to deliver a high quality, sporty, but refined experience for this customer, but we already know some kids are gonna want more noise. We’re not going to be particularly offended."

[donjalapeno]

lol, does Acura dealer get more NSX's per year?

Don't know about Acura. Im pretty each dealership has atleast one in the showroom no?

[twitchyzero]

It will be interesting. Factory is 306bhp but let's see how much more HP you can extract with simple bolt ons,

is there a point in having more than 300 ponies/ 300 tq on a FWD platform?

I mean Kpro on the DC5 made sense but now the CTR has turbo pushing the full torque at 2.5k

[Traum]

is there a point in having more than 300 ponies/ 300 tq on a FWD platform?

I mean Kpro on the DC5 made sense but now the CTR has turbo pushing the full torque at 2.5k
For bragging rights, for that Ring time record. I mean, if you can do it, why not?

Also, it seems like with the relocated kingpin setup, torque steer has been very effectively kept in check. So as long as you slap some sticky tires on, why not?

The thing that really surprised is those 20" wheels. I mean... holy... Surely some 19" compatible caliper would be enough? Even a regular 911 come standard with 19's. It isn't until a Carrera S where you get 20" wheels standard. Replacing those tires are gonna HURT!

[oldsnail]

This is US Pricing $33,900 US
Don't know how it link to our BC luxury 15% ($54,999+ vehicle)
But that's a crazy markup

No Canadian Price release yet.
rumor $42,000 CAD MSRP

Let's hope not! an example would be the current civic.

In US - Civic Hatch starts at 19k USD = 26 CDN
But the actually starting price in Canada is 21k CDN.

[Badhobz]

I think the only reason they went fwd is to make it easier to shatter the ring record. If they went AWD they would have zero bragging rights as they wouldn't be able to say squat about the performance in such a fierce category. Sure there's heritage in fwd blah blah blah I didn't see any of that heritage carried over in the new nsx. Why would they gave a rats ass with the CTR

[teggy604]

is there a point in having more than 300 ponies/ 300 tq on a FWD platform?

I mean Kpro on the DC5 made sense but now the CTR has turbo pushing the full torque at 2.5k


We are all gearheads for the most part, so the quest for more power is always there. Especially with turbo from factory its way easier to extract HP compared to NA. Point wise, I think it just depends on your application.

[twitchyzero]

if you already have the fastest production car in its layout....i would just enjoy it as a turn-key the way the engineers have fine-tuned the balance

Type Rs are a less-is-more type of beast...KISS

see how many ITR owners are restoring their vehicles back to factory specs...oh wait it's mainly for resale value :ilied:

[ah gon]

Honda Wants More Powerful Civic Type R - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/news/report-honda-wants-powerful-civic-type-r/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5948112204d301740000b7c0&utm_medium&utm_source)
I like civic typeR with awd

[iforyou]

I think the only reason they went fwd is to make it easier to shatter the ring record. If they went AWD they would have zero bragging rights as they wouldn't be able to say squat about the performance in such a fierce category. Sure there's heritage in fwd blah blah blah I didn't see any of that heritage carried over in the new nsx. Why would they gave a rats ass with the CTR

Yea I do think they wanna break that FWD record.

Also, Honda seems to like to do things a little differently than others with its sporty offerings. When the Nissan Silvia was a turbocharged RWD coupe, Honda made a FWD machine with a high revving engine. For convertibles, when others were making 6 cylinder models, Honda came out with the S2000 with a high revving 2.0L engine. For the new NSX, it's the first one in its segment to have a hybrid powertrain.

[Dragon-88]

Saw a video that showed the MSRP is: $42,485.00

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Dragon-88/Civic%20Type%20R%20MSRP_zpslcihypsu.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Dragon-88/media/Civic%20Type%20R%20MSRP_zpslcihypsu.png.html)

[iforyou]

Nice find!

[jasonturbo]

http://www.civicx.com/attachments/2017-civic-type-r-sticker-jpg.38871/

Source with some pics of the cars

2017 Civic Type R window sticker reveals $33,900 MSRP! | 2016+ Honda Civic Forum (10th Gen) - Type R Forum, Si Forum - CivicX.com (http://www.civicx.com/threads/2017-civic-type-r-window-sticker-reveals-33-900-msrp.11656/)

Edit: Looking at pricing of other Honda models @ US 34K compared to similar Canadian spec Honda's we can expect a price of around 42K CAD, this would seem correct as it is a competitor to the STI and Golf R IMO.

The 42.5K price is right in line with my expectation.

[Badhobz]

Would a 42k A4 / 3 series be faster than the type r?

[Harvey Specter]

Would a 42k A4 / 3 series be faster than the type r?

It might be but the Type R will be more rare and have the potential to go up in value.

[Jmac]

Would a 42k A4 / 3 series be faster than the type r?
You can't even get a new 3 series for $42K on BMW.ca (plus to get a 6-speed, you're well over $50k)

$42K A4 is 252 hp, larger, heavier. Nowhere close to being as fast as a CTR.

[Badhobz]

Wowowoy you can't even get a 3 series for 42k now ?!? That's nuts.

[Jmac]

Wowowoy you can't even get a 3 series for 42k now ?!? That's nuts.
Starting price is $45K for an auto 320i

[tegra7]

Someone already crashed one.
http://i67.tinypic.com/2coiiz4.jpg

[iforyou]

Wow lol didn't realize the 3 series costs that much money even for a base 320i. Damn...

I'd imagine the A4 2.0T Quattro with launch control would beat the CTR for 0-60mph. From a roll I think the CTR would have no trouble beating the A4 though. The CTR after all makes 290-300whp at 3100lb. The B9 A4 probably puts down 230whp at almost 3700lb.

[Badhobz]

Starting price is $45K for an auto 320i

That's the biggest rip off in the world !!! A 320 auto for 45k!?! They charging 10k for just the roundel now ?

[vitaminG]

I dunno why you'd compare it with a base 3 series of a4.

I couldn't see myself taking a ctr over a golf r, sti, or focus rs though. Hopefully they make a shawd version and it would spank all those cars

[thumper]

Hopefully they make a shawd version and it would spank all those cars

PressReader.com - Connecting People Through News (http://www.pressreader.com/canada/vancouver-sun/20170623/282278140335456)

Honda ponders Civic Type R model with AWD
Variety of models aimed at maintaining sales volumes, project lead engineer says

Vancouver Sun23 Jun 2017NICK TRAGIANIS Driving.ca
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The 2017 Honda Civic Type R is not a one-trick pony.
If Honda’s engineers have their way, the all-new Civic Type R won’t be a one-trick pony.
Speaking with Automotive News, Civic Type R lead engineer Hideki Matsumoto says there’s a very real chance we may see more variants in the lineup, including a more hardcore version and a few others.
“We’re hoping that by gradually putting out more variants that we’ll be able to maintain a more stable sales volume,” he said.
While the standard Type R is certainly hot enough (and fast enough, with 305 horsepower on tap), the first probable variant would be a hotter Type R with even more power and performance enhancements. Also in the cards is a softer Type R that would focus “more on the grand-touring aspect,” according to Matsumoto.
He also suggested an all-wheeldrive Civic Type R could see the light of day. Initially, Matsumoto wanted the first U.S.-spec Type R to reflect its powerful, front-drive predecessors, but it seems he’s open to levelling the playing field with the Ford Focus RS, Subaru WRX STI and Volkswagen Golf R, all of which have AWD.

[iforyou]

Haha, ya, normally if you want a luxury compact sedan, you probably wouldn't be interested in a hot hatch based on a economy compact sedan. I'm guessing the person who asked this question has a set budget and wanna see what he should get if performance is important.

The CTR as-is would probably spank all those cars on a track based on the current first drive reviews, nurburgring record, and FK2 Type R tests. I guess we will know more when the reviewers start doing actual comparo tests.

Motor Trend did have a quick summary though:
2017 Honda Civic Type R Review: Driving the Most Powerful U.S. Honda Ever - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/honda/civic/2017/2017-honda-civic-type-r-first-drive-review/)

It comes down to this: Would we choose the $34,775 306-hp FWD Honda Civic Type R over a $36,995 350-hp AWD Ford Focus RS or a $36,475 292-hp AWD Volkswagen Golf R? Yes, in a heartbeat, for the simple fact that the Ford’s ride is largely intolerable even in the “soft” setting. And although the VW’s supple ride and sophisticated dynamics are attractive, the price can easily approach $40,000 with just a few options, including the brilliant DSG double-clutch automated manual.

There’s an unbridled honesty to the Civic Type R absent in the others, but it maintains its European roots, driving character, and composure at the same time. The precision of its steering and chassis, the tractable turbocharged power, and the ludicrous-speed stability and control afforded by the aero package and adaptive dampers set this Honda apart from its American and German competitors. It won’t win a drag race against them, but as was certified with its Nordschleife lap record, clearly the Type R has the pace to put Ford and VW in its mirrors when it counts. All this and the fact that the Civic Type R is more involving to drive—it “needs” you more— make it more rewarding than the others. It will even make you feel like a better driver than you probably are. So if you can get past the anime exterior styling, it has all the attractiveness and thoughtfulness inherent to the 10th-generation Civic’s interior. The way the 2017 Honda Civic Type R pulls all of this together—pace, poise, features, and everyday liveability—make it the uniquely attractive high-performance hatchback we’ve always wanted. Go drive one as soon as you can.

[ZN6]

http://www.civictyper.org/images/ek9.jpg

the only CTR in my heart.

[320icar]

I dunno why you'd compare it with a base 3 series of a4.

I couldn't see myself taking a ctr over a golf r, sti, or focus rs though. Hopefully they make a shawd version and it would spank all those cars

I know but you're saying but I totally get the comparison. I'd almost always rather get the top spec lower model car with all the accessories over a base model higher end car.

I'm not sure if it's the same nowadays, but I always hated getting into a lower optioned car and seeing all the blanked off plates for switches you don't get (fog lights, sunroof, whatever)

[twitchyzero]

the only CTR in my heart.

you don't fancy the 4-door NSX-R?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3c/4f/54/3c4f547724a250e22c914158fca48f9d.jpg

[Harvey Specter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6xA70J2wU

[ZN6]

you don't fancy the 4-door NSX-R?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3c/4f/54/3c4f547724a250e22c914158fca48f9d.jpg

Nope. RR never did it for me thanks to the 4 doors. :heckno:

I also never liked the 4 Door integra type R. Something about 4 doors and Type R does not jive with me.

[Traum]

Gosh I LOVE the JDM 4-door ITR. If I wasn't so freakin incompetent and can't drive RHD cars even if my life depended on it, I would have had one in my driveway now... :(

[TouringTeg]

Get your bubble wrapped CTR now. A few CTR on ebay.com

2017 Honda Civic Type R | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Honda-Civic-Type-R-/172740825412?hash=item283827d144:g:FXYAAOSw3h1ZSXB 1&vxp=mtr)

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uFIAAOSwvflZSXIE/s-l1600.png

[Harvey Specter]

Anyone inquire locally about waitlists?

[Traum]

Anyone inquire locally about waitlists?
I know "a guy" that knows a "Honda sales guy" that says he has quota. But I am somewhat skeptical, and it isn't like I can afford this anyway...
:tears:

[Bender Unit]

Anyone inquire locally about waitlists?

This Guy "CivicNut1109" called all Honda Dealerships in the Lower Mainland. Last updated was June 12, 2017

Canada as a whole will be getting around 300 units in Year 2017 & 2018 model year I believed that's the rumor


Marv Jones Honda – 4 People
The Honda Way – 6 People
Jonker Honda – No list/Says they aren't coming out until end of the year
Surrey Honda – Says they aren’t releasing until the end of the year, but has 4 people on list.
Westwood Honda – 7 People
Open Road Honda – 15 People
Kingsway Honda – 10 People
Pacific Honda - No reply back
Richmond Honda - No reply back
Murray Honda - Only reply was that they had no idea when they were getting cars/weren't doing a list.

[teggy604]

This Guy "CivicNut1109" called all Honda Dealerships in the Lower Mainland. Last updated was June 12, 2017

Canada as a whole will be getting around 300 units in Year 2017 & 2018 model year I believed that's the rumor

300 units is not many. I wonder how many ppl put their name down on all the dealerships just incase.

Stop by Vancouver Honda, and saw the 2017 Civic Si in white. Looks exactly like the CTR minus 2 door. Personally they should have did the 2 door version for the Type R instead of the 4 door.

[iforyou]

haha Personally I think they should do Type R for all body styles - coupe, sedan, hatchback.

For me, a hatchback is perfect since it's very practical while offering good performance.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVGNPzyvEw

Well that didn't take long.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/6kb7t1/help_friend_placed_a_deposit_in_may_for_a_civic/


Friend placed a deposit in May for a Civic Type-R with a local dealership, and now the Dealership wants to hold onto it for 90 days to demo it.

[twitchyzero]

still a Civic

seriously calm yo tits to the prospective buyers eager to jump into a $42K FWD platform...let these Type Rs sit on the lot for a while so the dealerships realize how ridiculously greedy they are being

[TouringTeg]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/6kb7t1/help_friend_placed_a_deposit_in_may_for_a_civic/

That dealership having big time regrets they agreed to sell it for MSRP. I think she should be happy she got it as MSRP and wait the 3 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzCsCaIU0k&t=1s

[Traum]

The Arizona lawyer dude made some good points, and I'd be inclined to believe how that's how things can turn out if she is willing to play rough and maybe even sue.

If I were her, depending on whether I want to play nice or not, I would either demand the dealership to supply me with a courtesy vehicle of similar cost -- free of charge -- during that 3 month holding period. Or I would demand them to deliver the car right away.

[TouringTeg]

I would raise the issue with Honda America to see if they can help.

[twitchyzero]

demand the dealership to supply me with a courtesy vehicle of similar cost

2018 Acura NSX? :alone:

[CorneringArtist]

Gosh I LOVE the JDM 4-door ITR. If I wasn't so freakin incompetent and can't drive RHD cars even if my life depended on it, I would have had one in my driveway now... :(

I realized the CL7 Accord Euro-R is legal in a few months. Yes it's essentially a TSX, but K20 and a bunch of other goodies. I was looking at the CL1 Euro but the price point is identical for way more car.

[white rocket]

Gosh I LOVE the JDM 4-door ITR. If I wasn't so freakin incompetent and can't drive RHD cars even if my life depended on it, I would have had one in my driveway now... :(

Lol! That's exactly how I feel.

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgEiduu3EDQ

[AzNightmare]

That dealership having big time regrets they agreed to sell it for MSRP. I think she should be happy she got it as MSRP and wait the 3 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzCsCaIU0k&t=1s

https://www.facebook.com/jodhonda/
http://i.imgur.com/oFx7PDo.jpg

Looks like the dealership is regretting it now. Lots of people have been giving them 1/5 rating on google reviews. lol


Apparently they posted this earlier, but it was deleted afterward
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDlrshyUMAAIBqM.jpg

The story is on Jalopnik
http://jalopnik.com/honda-civic-type-r-buyer-says-dealer-is-holding-her-car-1796535560

[punkwax]

At least they owned up and publicly apologized I suppose...

I had a local dealer try to make me wait 3+ weeks for a car I was supposed to pick up the same day I sold mine privately. It was 10 years ago so won't get into all the details but was told I could pick up what I wanted same day, went in and was told sorry they thought they had one at their holding lot and offered to transfer in another in 2-3 days. Lent me a POS because I had no ride. After 10 days of following up after the initial 3 days they finally admitted my car was being showcased at a launch party in the interior and asked for another week. Got my deposit back and bought a more expensive Lexus elsewhere same day instead. Ragret that knee jerk decision as I didn't keep it long but that's a whole other story :lol

Do miss that air conditioned leather though :sweetjesus:

[twitchyzero]

scalpers aside, can you guys think of other industries where marking-up for the end-consumer from high demand right under your nose is a common business practice? Like not even at a set rate, just a green dollar amount in their eyes arbitrarily set. Housing market is the only other one that comes to mind. Even service industries like airfare have rapid price jumps but at least that's based on an algorithm.

It's like when the middle-man comes into the picture, they'll fuck with your wallet if the opportunity arises. It's such garbage practice, they should all be called out for it.

Can you imagine if the hospital urgent care randomly demands an extra $500 after hours because there are less physicians in the early morning?

fuck.right.off.

[Spectre_Cdn]

^Sounds like Uber's surge pricing.

[punkwax]

Not defending it but supply and demand is nothing new and people/businesses will capitalize on it.

[twitchyzero]

isnt there like a realtor's board? i guess that doesn't act like a regulatory body where you can e-mail the dean and lodge a complaint about 'arbitrary' pricing

let's also not forget the example is for a Civic Type R in a modest suburb of Texas
not a 675LT in Vancouver

time to move to a communist state :considered: