[Gucci Mane]

Mass shooting in a center for people with developmental disabilities. reports are saying up to 20 victims are dead.

shit is fucked.

San Bernardino shooting: Cops say one to three suspects - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html)


edit: damnit added an extra I in California.

[Nabatron]

the US is one fucked up country! I mean theres a shooting there every other week! The states is too worried about fighting terrorism when they should worry about their own shit going on!

[320icar]

Quick, don't bring in any stricter gun laws and regulations!

Fucking United States. So fucked up

[quasi]

Not that there is any good place to do a mass shooting but of all the cowardly places to kill people.............

[pastarocket]

RIP.

I gotta contact my cousin to make she and her hubby are okay. They live in San Bernardino. :heckno:

[Tone Loc]

Cue the NRA/Republican morons saying that all these disabled people should have had access to firearms.

Smh.

Condolences to all of those involved.

[68style]

Ugh... terrible, that's just pure evil.

Hope this thread stays clean... or should we just save everyone the time and copy&paste everyone's posts from the last shootings thread?

[Dragon-88]

I saw a post somewhere saying Golfers on the golf course right across the street were still playing after the shooting.. #USAgunproblems #priorities

[willystyle]

I don't know how much of this I can take anymore.

[Manic!]

Quick everybody go to your local gun store and buy all the guns you can because Obama is going to take away your guns for sure now and then how will you protect your family.

Ruger's "2 Million Gun Challenge" to Benefit NRA-ILA (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150602/rugers-2-million-gun-challenge-to-benefit-nra-ila)


http://vpstestgunscom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SW-NRA.jpg
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/RugerDonationNRA.jpg

[StylinRed]

bbc are saying there are 3 shooters, heavily armed with body armour, and they took off in a black suv already... hope they aren't able to cause carnage elsewhere before being taken down

of all the places to go on a rampage, a special needs facility? in the middle of nowhere of california too ugh

[Sid Vicious]

Quick, don't bring in any stricter gun laws and regulations!

Fucking United States. So fucked up

if stricter gun regulations and laws worked, you would expect cities and states with strict gun control laws to have lower rates of violence...when in reality they do not

anyways, USA has a lot of crazies and is high in economic inequality which always creates alot of violent crime.

in fact...the shooting occured in the state of calfornia which has some fairly strict gun control laws
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nQcjXtOFKYw/TUBstfzkWaI/AAAAAAAAACc/IfMRZLUaWtI/s1600/guncontrol.gif

[Manic!]

if stricter gun regulations and laws worked, you would expect cities and states with strict gun control laws to have lower rates of violence...when in reality they do not

anyways, USA has a lot of crazies and is high in economic inequality which always creates alot of violent crime.

in fact...the shooting occured in the state of calfornia which has some fairly strict gun control laws
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nQcjXtOFKYw/TUBstfzkWaI/AAAAAAAAACc/IfMRZLUaWtI/s1600/guncontrol.gif

We have a fireworks ban in Nanaimo but every Halloween you here fireworks go off. Laws don't work if all you have to do is drive 5 minutes out of town to buy Fireworks or a gun.

[StylinRed]

if stricter gun regulations and laws worked, you would expect cities and states with strict gun control laws to have lower rates of violence...when in reality they do not

anyways, USA has a lot of crazies and is high in economic inequality which always creates alot of violent crime.

in fact...the shooting occured in the state of calfornia which has some fairly strict gun control laws
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nQcjXtOFKYw/TUBstfzkWaI/AAAAAAAAACc/IfMRZLUaWtI/s1600/guncontrol.gif

the BBC was saying that California has one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the US (per capita I'm assuming), albeit there are still thousands killed every year in the state from guns

[StylinRed]

It was a company Holiday party for the county's Health Department, according to the BBC quoting the centre's Director

[Manic!]

The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths (http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/53345/states-with-most-gun-laws-see-fewest-gun-related-deaths)

[Dragon-88]

SAN BERNARDINO, CA – There is an active shooter situation in San Bernardino, California.

It’s a fluid situation and details are limited.

There are reports 12 people have been killed and there are as many as 20 victims. BibleThump

12 dead in shooting in San Bernardino, California - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/12/02/mass-shooting-in-san-bernardino-california/)

[Ferra]

bbc are saying there are 3 shooters, heavily armed with body armour, and they took off in a black suv already... hope they aren't able to cause carnage elsewhere before being taken down

of all the places to go on a rampage, a special needs facility? in the middle of nowhere of california too ugh
that sounds more like an organized (terrorist?) attack?
if so, they probably attack these places specifically to get people riled up and hate on them.

[Sid Vicious]

The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths (http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/53345/states-with-most-gun-laws-see-fewest-gun-related-deaths)

thank you for proving my point lol...

look at the states with the highest gun crime...and look at this chart down here and tell me where it overlaps?
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70077000/gif/_70077491_us_mob_homes_624_1.gif

[Hondaracer]

There's over 300 million guns in the states, in personal possession. It's not buying fireworks at your local store.

It's never going to stop because they are never going to take away people's guns, period.

[StylinRed]

that sounds more like an organized (terrorist?) attack?
if so, they probably attack these places specifically to get people riled up and hate on them.

that's what i'm thinking, but then there are reports that it happened only within the christmas party for the county's health department :crazy2:

too early i guess.... police are giving a report now

14 dead, 14 injured

[Nabatron]

supposedly theres another shooting in houston texas at womens clinic!

US doesnt need to be afraid or terrosim they already have it in their backyard going on right now!

[Traum]

There's over 300 million guns in the states, in personal possession. It's not buying fireworks at your local store.

It's never going to stop because they are never going to take away people's guns, period.
How do you change something that is written into your amendment of the constitution? With all the interest and lobby groups that are around *cough* NRA *cough* and all the political ties that are involved, I can't even begin to imagine the tangled mess that would result if anyone tries to mess with status quo.

[Manic!]

There's over 300 million guns in the states, in personal possession. It's not buying fireworks at your local store.

It's never going to stop because they are never going to take away people's guns, period.

It's easier than buying fireworks at your local store. You need a permit to buy fireworks in places like Surrey.


Let me guess you own a gun?

[Dragon-88]

CNN right meow!!

Black SUV take down! SUV shot the F up!

[StylinRed]

wow that's a gruesome scene

the helicopter cameraman is refusing to zoom in right now, but he had already, can't really tell though but i think it's an officer :/

[Hondaracer]

It's easier than buying fireworks at your local store. You need a permit to buy fireworks in places like Surrey.


Let me guess you own a gun?

So what do you propose? what kind of restrictions are going to keep guns out of the hands of people willing to kill DOZENS of innocent people?

somone who can kill people without a second thought isnt willing to break into homes to find guns?

there are no laws that are going to prevent this.

And yea, i own guns, have virtually all my life. Really beside the point.

[underscore]

The US is too busy being scared shitless of "turrurists" that aren't a real threat to bother solving their own internal problems brought on by too many guns and too little mental health care.

[DGN23]

the US is one fucked up country! I mean theres a shooting there every other week! The states is too worried about fighting terrorism when they should worry about their own shit going on!

There has actually been a mass shooting almost every day in America. Some days had more than one. See below chart in link.

Planned Parenthood Shooting Victim's Brother Is Criticizing US Gun Laws (http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/planned-parenthood-shooting-victims-brother-statement/1301294/)

[Manic!]

And yea, i own guns, have virtually all my life. Really beside the point.



It's never going to stop because they are never going to take away people's guns, period.

Read those 2 statements and really think about it. Cause I know you are smarter than that.




Also people on the do not fly list in the US are allowed to buy guns. How does that make sense?

[Harvey Specter]

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/12/48303666.cached.jpg

JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother: Source: https://twitter.com/NBCNews

CORONA, CALIFORNIA — Law enforcement officials have identified Syed Farook as one of the suspected shooters who attacked a center for the disabled in San Bernardino, California, according to NBC News. The Daily Beast has learned that the police have just executed a search warrant at a Redlands, California address—an address that belongs to Farook’s family. More... Suspect ID'd in San Bernardino Massacre as Syed Farook - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html)

[GS8]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/57145350.jpg

Instincts, right?

[Inaii]

One of my closest friends lives in SB, but thankfully he moved out of the area where the shooting took place a month or so ago. I'm glad he wasn't working and answered me right away when I contacted him. One of our other friends messaged me and told me to message him and make sure he was ok because there'd been a shooting. I got this in the middle of my work day and freaked out =/

[quasi]

In before Chucky blames the Illuminati.

[StylinRed]

So it sounds like it was an employee for the health department Syed Farook and his wife? the guy was an inspector for the county health department, and left early from the Holiday party, after an altercation, and then came back and well... -_-

an interfaith and islamic group just did a press conference condemning the attacks, but given that he's an employee and did this at the employee party, it sounds more like a disgruntled worker

[Lomac]

How do you change something that is written into your amendment of the constitution? With all the interest and lobby groups that are around *cough* NRA *cough* and all the political ties that are involved, I can't even begin to imagine the tangled mess that would result if anyone tries to mess with status quo.

How? By repealing it. Wouldn't be the first Amendment that would be repealed (18th Amendment was Prohibition). And it can be reasonably argued that the 1st and 4th Amendments are already being ignored by the government or the general public.

That said, I would be extremely surprised if this was ever done. It's too ingrained in the American lifestyle for them to willingly let it go. And, beside, even if it was, I think it's already hit the point of critical mass. There's something like the equivalent of 8 guns for every citizen out there right now. If they stopped selling guns tomorrow, it would hardly make any difference for at least a couple decades, if not more.

[Traum]

As you've said it yourself, Lomac, at a practical level, I just don't see how it can be done. The amount of backlash that the (US) federal government would face if they ever attempt such a thing would be insurmountable, and it wouldn't just come from the lobby and interest groups, but also citizens in general. Simply put, it would be political suicide, and neither the GOP nor the Democrats would ever dare to attempt that.

If it were to be done, it'd have to come as an (election) campaign promise. And then on the practically non-existent chance that the candidate made it to win the election, the objective could be pushed through (because by then it means prerogative has been endorsed by voters).

[Lomac]

As you've said it yourself, Lomac, at a practical level, I just don't see how it can be done. The amount of backlash that the (US) federal government would face if they ever attempt such a thing would be insurmountable, and it wouldn't just come from the lobby and interest groups, but also citizens in general. Simply put, it would be political suicide, and neither the GOP nor the Democrats would ever dare to attempt that.

If it were to be done, it'd have to come as an (election) campaign promise. And then on the practically non-existent chance that the candidate made it to win the election, the objective could be pushed through (because by then it means prerogative has been endorsed by voters).

And you just know that even if it ever managed to get pushed through, there would be a large enough group that would deem this act to be reason enough to create a citizens militia against the government and go after said government.

"If the government doesn't want us to be able to protect ourselves, there's gotta be a reason for it!"

[Manic!]

a·mend·ment
əˈmen(d)mənt/
noun
noun: amendment; plural noun: amendments

a minor change in a document.
a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
"an amendment to existing bail laws"
an article added to the US Constitution.
noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
"the First Amendment"


Also no one is talking about banning guns no one except for some slack jawed yokels.

[AzNightmare]

Surprised no one posted this yet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

[ImportPsycho]

center for the disabled?
what the fuck? he hates disabled people???
what's the motive?

mind fucking...

[Lomac]

Allegedly he was an employee and this stemmed from an argument that had happened earlier that day at a meeting.

Seems like this is likely a take on "Going Postal" rather than an actual terror attack.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Allegedly he was an employee and this stemmed from an argument that had happened earlier that day at a meeting.

Seems like this is likely a take on "Going Postal" rather than an actual terror attack.
Going Postal is an individual act and doesn't explain the motives of the female suspect.

[StylinRed]

Going Postal is an individual act and doesn't explain the motives of the female suspect.

it's california prolly his ride or die biatch

there's still questions about a 3rd suspect, it's still very odd atm

[Lomac]

Going Postal is an individual act and doesn't explain the motives of the female suspect.

True, but I'm just going by the facts that are currently being presented (surprisingly both left and right leaning news sites are saying more or less the same thing at the moment). Doesn't mean it's ultimately correct, of course.


Edit: Apparently I hadn't checked the news for a while. Seems it might have been planned more than originally thought.

Edit edit: I'm reading the comments section on Fox News (I know, I know). Man, the shit being said in there hurts my head. :banghead:

[RRxtar]

they had pipe bombs strapped to RC cars.


totally a simple gun control issue

[Manic!]

they had pipe bombs strapped to RC cars.


totally a simple gun control issue

So how many of the 14 did the R/C cars kill?

[Bouncing Bettys]

Terrorists wishing to inflict damage in the western/modern world have, for the most part, figured out that elaborate bombs require a great deal of knowledge, easily traceable and hard to acquire components, and rarely achieve the desired effects. They have moved on to cheap, effective, untraceable, easy to acquire guns for coordinated attacks. The use of explosives is meant to distract or delay while the real work is done with guns.

[Sid Vicious]

So how many of the 14 did the R/C cars kill?

anyone with the sufficient motivation and planning could kill a large number of people if given the opportunity. the tool used seems irrelevant

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 at China train station - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/)

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com (http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/)

[JHatta]

So how many of the 14 did the R/C cars kill?

They found them in their house, not at the scene.

[Manic!]

anyone with the sufficient motivation and planning could kill a large number of people if given the opportunity. the tool used seems irrelevant

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29 at China train station - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/)

Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery | MINING.com (http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/)

Whats that got to do with R/C cars?

They found them in their house, not at the scene.

Wonder why they left them at home.

[Sid Vicious]

Whats that got to do with R/C cars?



Wunder why they left them at home.

because your whole hackneyed shtick is that strict gun regulations are an effective deterrence to violence, when in reality that almost never the case

[underscore]

Wonder why they left them at home.

Probably because they realized the lack of gun laws made using guns a hell of a lot easier.

[Manic!]

because your whole hackneyed shtick is that strict gun regulations are an effective deterrence to violence, when in reality that almost never the case

So it's just a coincidence the countries with the the strictest gun controls have the least amount of gun violence.

I guess you wish you could carry a gun with you 24/7 right?

[classified]

So it's just a coincidence the countries with the the strictest gun controls have the least amount of gun violence.

I guess you wish you could carry a gun with you 24/7 right?

Do said countries have less overall violence and irrational actions? I'm no supporter of everyone having a gun but thinking it is the problem is wrong. The bottom line is mental stability/well being of people. If someones going to snap and do something crazy there is something mentally wrong with them and their thought process (Which human culture has completely ignored trying to teach/advise. This should be in a basic education to every human being on the face of the earth). They could make a bomb from home depot and harm a lot more people then walking around with a gun. Or use a bolt action rifle like the Beltway sniper.

When I look at how future societies will manage (when every human being will have access to much greater threats then a primitive gun, ie massively destructive devices in the palm of your hand) I only see them functioning with full monitoring of EVERYTHING we do (thoughts/messages/verbal communication/actions etc) to achieve the next version of mankind. There will be to much at stake to risk it. (This is many years from now, but where we should be looking)

[Sid Vicious]

So it's just a coincidence the countries with the the strictest gun controls have the least amount of gun violence.

I guess you wish you could carry a gun with you 24/7 right?

uh huh. does it ever get tiring being a living caricature? Simply regurgitating your preconceived notions and beliefs without ever challenging them?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJ-KA2WhhLo/UNZr8agpVqI/AAAAAAAAFH4/f6rrTVN7q6I/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-12-22+at++Saturday,+December+22,+9.26+PM.png

firearms were banned in 1996 in australia for the chart below
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/figure_12.png

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Ireland-Jamaica-2.jpeg

and no, i don't own any guns nor do i plan to.

[Manic!]

Do said countries have less overall violence and irrational actions?

Do those irrational actions cause death? Also just look at all the shootings/deaths that happen in the US because of carelessness.

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off, killing mom (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/30/woman-shot-with-own-gun/21062089/)

Tennessee father and son dead after AR-15 goes off and ammunition-filled room explodes (http://www.rawstory.com/2013/08/tennessee-father-and-son-dead-after-ar-15-goes-off-and-ammunition-filled-room-explodes/)

Father Accidentally Shoots Seven-Year-Old Son Outside Gun Store (http://gawker.com/5967118/father-accidentally-shoots-seven-year-old-son-outside-gun-store)

Dog named Trigger accidentally shoots owner in the foot | Americas | News | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-accidentally-shot-in-the-foot-by-pet-dog-called-trigger-a6710051.html)

I could go on for ever.

[Manic!]

uh huh. does it ever get tiring being a living caricature? Simply regurgitating your preconceived notions and beliefs without ever challenging them?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJ-KA2WhhLo/UNZr8agpVqI/AAAAAAAAFH4/f6rrTVN7q6I/s1600/Screen+Shot+2012-12-22+at++Saturday,+December+22,+9.26+PM.png

firearms were banned in 1996 in australia for the chart below
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/facts/2008/figure_12.png

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Ireland-Jamaica-2.jpeg

and no, i don't own any guns nor do i plan to.

Australian Guns Stats : snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Those graphs are almost as bad as the Montana graph the NRA use to put out. It showed the number homicides committed in 4 European countries that equaled the same land mass as Montana. Claiming Montana was safer because of it's relaxed gun laws. What they didn't point out is that no one lives in Montana.

Also would you be O.K. with random people on the street you see having a gun on them?

[Sid Vicious]

Australian Guns Stats : snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Those graphs are almost as bad as the Montana graph the NRA use to put out. It showed the number homicides committed in 4 European countries that equaled the same land mass as Montana. Claiming Montana was safer because of it's relaxed gun laws. What they didn't point out is that no one lives in Montana.

Also would you be O.K. with random people on the street you see having a gun on them?

lol did you even read the article you posted rather than just look at the headline...taking from the article

"An examination of statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program"

in fact, that chart is FROM the AIC itself...
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

dude...you should fail yourself for that post LMAO

[Manic!]

lol did you even read the article you posted rather than just look at the headline...taking from the article

"An examination of statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program"

...which is exactly what the chart shows.

And how many mass shootings have happened since the laws came into place? The answer is ZERO.

Australia enacted strict gun laws after a horrific mass shooting in 1996. It worked. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_austr alia_s_laws_provide_a.html)

t, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent. Studies found a close correlation between the sharp declines and the gun buybacks. Robberies involving a firearm also dropped significantly. Meanwhile, home invasions did not increase, contrary to fears that firearm ownership is needed to deter such crimes. But here’s the most stunning statistic. In the decade before the Port Arthur massacre, there had been 11 mass shootings in the country. There hasn’t been a single one in Australia since.

[Hondaracer]

We get it, guns terrify you.

[Sid Vicious]

And how many mass shootings have happened since the laws came into place? The answer is ZERO.

Australia enacted strict gun laws after a horrific mass shooting in 1996. It worked. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_austr alia_s_laws_provide_a.html)

dude stop it...you're wrecking yourself LMAO

2011 Hectorville siege: A shooting that took place on 29 April 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male, Donato Anthony Corbo, shot four people on a neighbouring property (three of whom died), and also wounded two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.

Hunt family murders: Murder-suicide shooting spree by Geoff Hunt who killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself

The Melbourne gangland killings were the murders in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia of 36 criminal figures or partners between 16 January 1998 and 13 August 2010. The murders were in a series of retributional murders involving various underworld groups.

On 15–16 December 2014, a lone gunman, Man Haron Monis, held hostage ten customers and eight employees of a Lindt chocolate café located at Martin Place in Sydney, Australia. Police treated the event as a terrorist attack at the time[12][13] but Monis' motives have subsequently been debated.[14]

...yes...zero indeed

[CivicBlues]

Can we stop with the constant anti-gun/pro-gun argument ad nauseum in every mass shooting thread and stick to the facts of this particular event please? :offtopic:

Shooters may have been 'radicalized' - whatever the hell that means:
San Bernardino: Shooter Farook appears radicalized - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html)

Seems like we should stop worrying about the single-men refugees we're trying to keep out and start worrying about the families who we are trying to let in that will spawn these future folk.

[Manic!]

We get it, guns terrify you.

No idiots do.

[JHatta]

No idiots with guns do.

fixed.

[Manic!]

fixed.

Yep like these people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJVF-w0We8

[Traum]

Shooters may have been 'radicalized' - whatever the hell that means:
San Bernardino: Shooter Farook appears radicalized - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html)

Not sure what can really be done in this case. The guy's profile fits all the standard "normal" citizen that wouldn't flip out. Steady, well-paying job, wife (albeit the wife was brought over from the Middle East -- possibly Pakistan -- on a fiancee visa), a 6 month old baby, etc. You can't ban people from re-entering the country simply because they have travelled to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or elsewhere in the Middle East. No country or government agency has the resources to monitor everyone for extended periods after they've traveled to Middle Eastern countries either.

It may well have something to do with being radicalized, as the shooter has discussed Islam with his coworkers and made remarks about how "Americans don't understand Islam", and the guy has traveled to Saudi Arabia for a little over a week in summer 2014.

[underscore]

Can we stop with the constant anti-gun/pro-gun argument ad nauseum in every mass shooting thread and stick to the facts of this particular event please?:offtopic:

Shooters may have been 'radicalized' - whatever the hell that means:

:seriously:

[Manic!]

, and the guy has traveled to Saudi Arabia for a little over a week in summer 2014.

He went for the Hajj something every able bodied Muslim must do at least once in there life time.

[Lomac]

Okay, let's be honest here. Gun related crimes in America actually aren't that bad, when you look at it on a world stage. Most statistics rank the USA in the high 20's/low 30's (based on how many years it's counted on) when it comes to per capita firearms violence or homicide. Yes, there have been hundreds of mass shootings in the recent past, but when you account for the population total, it more or less makes statistic sense.

When you look at stats (and I mean proper statistic websites, not left- or right-leaning fear mongering sites), you start seeing a picture that's quite interesting to behold. Even if you ignore the countries that are currently under political strife and civil war, the USA isn't the only developed country on the list. It's too much to type out and reference but there's an obvious pattern between firearm deaths, living conditions and overall mentality. Mexico is a developed country with fewer guns per capita (15 per 100,) yet it has a higher death rate than the USA (9.97 per 100,000.) On the flip side, Switzerland ranks 4th in the world for gun ownership (46 per 100,) yet their firearm death rate is very low (0.77 per 100,000.) As a comparison, Canada has 30.8 guns per 100 and a firearm death rate of 0.51 per 100,000.

If gun control had been better regulated in the past, would it have prevented many of these incidents? Of course. And as I've already mentioned earlier, I think the time has long passed where new legislature would be at all effective. There are just too many guns floating around now. No, the bigger issue at play is the socioeconomics within the American culture. I feel that their healthcare issue is also partially to blame, at least when it comes to decent availability for mental health issues.

[Lomac]

Yep like these people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJVF-w0We8

Fuck, that last clip.

There's a fucking reason why you never EVER look down the barrel of your gun, especially when it's loaded.

[JHatta]

Lomac, where are you getting your stats from? just curious.

[CivicBlues]

:seriously:

Okay maybe "facts" was too exclusive of a term. "reporting" then. :alonehappy:

[Lomac]

Lomac, where are you getting your stats from? just curious.

A mixture of UNODC.org, smallarmssurvey.org, AMSTAT publications, and the various links on the UN Stats page (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/default.htm)

[Harvey Specter]

Wonder if the shooter went over the edge because of this guy?

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/12316578_10208521529223672_1650985000722545592_n.j pg?oh=caafde5d8e56b36334ac8e074c5c02f6&oe=56F39816

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/1240109_10201304854316264_237370237_n.jpg?oh=a1808 6aed746a5d53ba8ab3dd0cc1bac&oe=56EF07E8
One of the victims of the San Bernardino massacre was a Messianic Jew who filled his Facebook page with condemnations of Muslims and impassioned screeds against jihadist terror.

“On behalf of this guy… You can stick your Million Muslim March up your asses,” victim Nicholas Thalasinos posted on Sept. 11, 2013, alongside a photo of a shirtless victim plummeting to his death from the burning World Trade Center.

Another post from October 2013 included a photograph of another man plummeting to his death from the Trade Center. Above it, Thalasinos posted the quote, “’The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer’ — Barack Hussein Obama.”

References to Israel and “Turbanheads” fill his pages.

Under “Education,” Thalasinos listed on Facebook, “Studied Conservatism at Limbaugh Institute of Advanced Conservative Studies.”

His last post, made Tuesday, was a response to a Ukrainian man, Med Ali Zarouk, who’d posted, “You will never sucsseed[sic] to make a country for jews, because you are criminals and cowards… soon you ll get your ass kicked, you will die dand never see israel as country believe me never.”

Thalasinos responded, “My new hobby appears to be BLOCKING PAGAN ANTISEMITIC TROGLODYTES so I’m just passing this along to warn others.”

Facebook friends poured out condolences Thursday, praising the father of two adult sons as a pro-life activist and crusader for Christ.

“He loved Messiah and I rejoice in knowing he is rejoicing with the ONE he has longed to meet,” responded one religious Facebook friend, Juda Myers.

Thalasinos’ wife, Jennifer Thalasinos, gathered numerous heartfelt condolence messages on her own Facebook page Thursday.

“May god comfort you and bring you peace,” wrote one friend. “You are blessed to have been his loving wife,” wrote another.

Officials say they will release victim identities later Thursday.

California massacre victim ranted about Muslims on Facebook | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/california-massacre-victim-ranted-about-muslims-on-facebook/)

[RRxtar]

They found them in their house, not at the scene.
there were 3 bombs at the scene, and 12 more at the home. they found the remote detonator in the car. but (fortunately) for some reason the bombs didn't go off.

the police and fbi are hinting that there may have been more targeted attack locations, or that the location may not have been the original target.

[CivicBlues]

Wonder if the shooter went over the edge because of this guy?

California massacre victim ranted about Muslims on Facebook | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/california-massacre-victim-ranted-about-muslims-on-facebook/)

Seems about right, get revenge on a bigoted troll by shooting him and 31 of his coworkers
...

The shooter(s) was a grade-A nut long before this and probably before he even went to Mecca. Then again, maybe his Pakistani woman put him up to it :chairdance:

[scottsman]

Anyone willing to murder people like this has been radicalized in some shape or form. If your not white and not Christian then its from Terrorists. If you are white then the media will find something.

[StylinRed]

Anyone willing to murder people like this has been radicalized in some shape or form. If your not white and not Christian then its from Terrorists. If you are white then the media will find something.

it's like the couple who are from extremely wealthy families in NY, they're crackheads, they plotted bomb attacks, had drawn out plans, had bomb making equipment, and weapons, but they were busted before they carried out their attacks... well they were simply diagnosed as insane crackheads with extreme fantasies and sent to a psych ward iirc -_-

[Bouncing Bettys]

Anyone willing to murder people like this has been radicalized in some shape or form.In the case of many religions, it's an act of adhering to the tenets of their religious scripture. The individual is simply staying true to the words written. Its the religion itself that is radical, outdated, and should be left to history.

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone willing to murder people like this has been radicalized in some shape or form. If your not white and not Christian then its from Terrorists. If you are white then the media will find something.
There are white christian terrorists too, just look at any abortion clinic attack

[scottsman]

I know, just using it as an example of how the media is saying that they were radicalized. Regardless of your color, religion or whatever. If you kill a bunch of people you have been radicalized in some shape or form. In the case of the abortion clinic, the way many republican/conservatives have been talking about Planned Parenthood have in some part led to this.

[Traum]

Well... what do you know? Now they're saying the Pakistani wife pledged allegiance to ISIS using Facebook alias, although there is no evidence the group directed the shooters to launch the attacks.

The natural next guess is -- the wife seduced the husband to become radicalized as well?

This is so fxxked up.

[Dragon-88]

Media had a free for all inside the shooters homes today. MSNBC and CNN showing living action shots of the reporters treasure hunt.

Landlord originally gives reporters access, Landlords' wife comes later and screams at the media circus to get off her property.



Reporters from several major news networks entered the apartment of Syed Rizwan Farook and wife Tashfeen Malik on Friday morning with cameras rolling to show the world what lay inside — live, uncensored and on national TV.

Reporters root through San Bernardino shooters' apartment on live TV - Trending - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/reporters-root-through-san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-on-live-tv-1.3351259)

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi89meqLyIo

[StylinRed]

yeah i was pretty :eek: when i saw this in the morning, the FBI said they have no concerns too -_- just didn't make sense, apparently rummaging through the place overnight was enough to satisfy them :lol

[Gucci Mane]

Well... what do you know? Now they're saying the Pakistani wife pledged allegiance to ISIS using Facebook alias, although there is no evidence the group directed the shooters to launch the attacks.

The natural next guess is -- the wife seduced the husband to become radicalized as well?

This is so fxxked up.

the wife was from Saudi Arabia and the guy was Pakistani. but in all honesty, with the way the cops are finding evidence its obvious they were up to something. they had tactical gear, fully auto weapons with thousands of rounds of ammo, the 12 pipe bombs and the bombs attached to RC cars. they also found brand new phones that were smashed to try and cover up something. kind of hard to call this an isolated incident at this point.

[pastarocket]

yeah i was pretty :eek: when i saw this in the morning, the FBI said they have no concerns too -_- just didn't make sense, apparently rummaging through the place overnight was enough to satisfy them :lol

The CSI forensics teams would go nuts if they saw that video footage. Talk about irresponsible policing.

The crime scene is now contaminated with so many fingerprints from reporters and other media people. :facepalm:

[Manic!]

the wife was from Saudi Arabia and the guy was Pakistani. but in all honesty, with the way the cops are finding evidence its obvious they were up to something. they had tactical gear, fully auto weapons with thousands of rounds of ammo, the 12 pipe bombs and the bombs attached to RC cars. they also found brand new phones that were smashed to try and cover up something. kind of hard to call this an isolated incident at this point.

False the guy was American born in Chicago. His wife was born in Pakistan but was raised in Saudi Arabia.

San Bernardino Shooter Was Born In Chicago: Chicagoist (http://chicagoist.com/2015/12/03/_the_san_bernardino_shooter.php)

[Gucci Mane]

False the guy was American born in Chicago. His wife was born in Pakistan but was raised in Saudi Arabia.

San Bernardino Shooter Was Born In Chicago: Chicagoist (http://chicagoist.com/2015/12/03/_the_san_bernardino_shooter.php)

stupid cnn fudging up some facts. oh well, at least i know now.

[rslater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi89meqLyIo

Seems pretty ironic that the law enforcement officer is telling CNN they are fucking up the crime scene, and yet CNN continuous to fuck up the crime scene right in front of his face...

[BrRsn]

People need to stop pinning religion/nationality as the scapegoat. Haven't we all at some point or another felt alone or isolated? The desire to belong to something, to be included is a far bigger motivator than religion.

You would expect someone who becomes radicalized to be well versed in the Quran and it's teachings (assuming you support the idea that Islam is a radical religion), then why is it that kids who want to join ISIS buy books like 'Islam for Dummies' and 'Arabic for Dummies'?

ISIS ?Dummies? Bought Islam 101 Book Before Joining the ?Jihad? - The Bridge Initiative | A Research Project on Islamophobia (http://bridge.georgetown.edu/isis-dummies-bought-islam-101-book-before-joining-the-jihad/)


There's a bigger problem, and there's a reason why terrorists are both white and brown.

[Bouncing Bettys]

People need to stop pinning religion/nationality as the scapegoat. Haven't we all at some point or another felt alone or isolated? The desire to belong to something, to be included is a far bigger motivator than religion.

You would expect someone who becomes radicalized to be well versed in the Quran and it's teachings (assuming you support the idea that Islam is a radical religion), then why is it that kids who want to join ISIS buy books like 'Islam for Dummies' and 'Arabic for Dummies'?

ISIS ?Dummies? Bought Islam 101 Book Before Joining the ?Jihad? - The Bridge Initiative | A Research Project on Islamophobia (http://bridge.georgetown.edu/isis-dummies-bought-islam-101-book-before-joining-the-jihad/)


There's a bigger problem, and there's a reason why terrorists are both white and brown.
Religion has always preyed on the weak and simple minded - you don't say.

No, I would not expect someone lured in by religion to be well versed. There was a reason literacy, historically, was reserved for religious leaders and powerful/wealthy of society while the masses were left in ignorance. It was an attempt to control the message in order to maintain the power structure. If those ignorant masses were able to read, to be educated about the world, they would be able to interpret religious texts and possibly find their religious leaders to be full of shit and not to be trusted.

Religion and nationalism are tools to influence and they work best on ignorance. People who identify with a religion are a red flag to me as someone who could become a potential threat. As I said in the previous terrorism thread:
I simply do not trust people who display an inability or unwillingness to take a step back from their beliefs in the face of overwhelming fact. People of all religions, modern feminists, truthers, people who believe in ghosts/ouija boards/alien visitation, etc. - they all display irrational thought to some degree. Under the right circumstances, irrational thought can turn to dangerous levels, much like you see with these terrorists. If being distrustful of people who exhibit unshakeable irrational beliefs, from the clueless university social justice warrior to the ISIS sympathiser, makes me a bigot and not someone exercising common sense, then so be it.

[CharlesInCharge]

San Bernardino shooting witness three shooters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUPNAaADW4

Kiven Barret content...
Huge wave of false flags to follow Paris, San Bernadino
Huge wave of false flags to follow Paris, San Bernadino | Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/08/huge-wave/)

[Sid Vicious]

San Bernardino shooting witness three shooters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUPNAaADW4

Kiven Barret content...
Huge wave of false flags to follow Paris, San Bernadino
Huge wave of false flags to follow Paris, San Bernadino | Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/08/huge-wave/)

1. Government Agency

2. Recently Dead Celebrity

3. Shadowy Non-government Organization/Religion

4. Natural Phenomenon

5. Terrifying New Weapon of the Future

6. Well-Publicized Tragic Accident

7. Unpopular but Well-Known Politician

8. Zodiac Sign

9. Terrible Global Domination/Terrorism Goal

10. Date Pulled Out of Your Ass

...

The (1.)______ were responsible for the recent death of (2.)______, who was part of the well-known (3.)_______. We can see by the way (4.)______ happened that it's clear that (1.)_______ has been secretly working on (5.)______. They have been testing this (5.)______ by using it in (6.)______. It turns out that (2.)________ was close friends with (7.)_______, through their mutual involvement in (3.)_______. (7.)_______, being a (8.)_______, is obviously the kind of person who would use (5.)______ to (9.)_______. I think we all know that we can expect to see (7.)________ perform another test of (5.)________ on (10.)_________. Prove me wrong!