[jasonturbo]

Sandy Vagina today.

Porsche, for the most part, makes money selling new cars, they don't make any money when someone sells a used GT3 RS on the used market for x2 MSRP.

So why does Porsche restrict the GT model production numbers so much? What the fuck do they care about resale?

Personally it annoys me so much that I almost want to boycott the brand.

This morning I was basically told that there is almost no chance I can get into a new GT4, GT3, or GT3 RS for the next 2-3 years lol

I can tell you this much, if I cough up 200K for a 997 GT3 RS it will be the last Porsche I ever buy, I will never ever buy a new Porsche.

/End Rant.

I'm sure there are lots of other people on here that would also like to own a Porsche GT car one day, it seems really shitty to me that Porsche is intentionally limiting their GT cars to only (what is becoming) the rich. Whether it be through crazy resale values or giving preference to repeat new Porsche buyers etc.

[smoothie.]

you WOULD have this problem

[Dragon-88]

I dream the day I move out somewhere slightly east to save a few hundred and then get a GT4.. Then I would never complain about commutes. Its crazy how affordable the GT4 is.. I know its no comparison to the GT3 but god its soo nice for its price..

[jasonturbo]

I dream the day I move out somewhere slightly east to save a few hundred and then get a GT4.. Then I would never complain about commutes. Its crazy how affordable the GT4 is.. I know its no comparison to the GT3 but god its soo nice for its price..

That's true, except they aren't making anymore (at this time anyway), and there is a hefty premium on them in the used car market already.

So while the Porsche configurator makes them look like a steal at a base of 96K CAD it's just an illusion.

Edit: Grom's are sweet btw lol money well spent!

[yray]

Tell them u pay them upfront and they can deliver the cars 2-3 years later. With inflation and limited production, its better investment than vancouver condos. :troll:

[Dragon-88]

Yeah, I guess I'll just keep dreaming for a GT4... LOL

Grom is my favorite bike. I ride it more than the Supermoto... I dont think I'll ever sell it, i have way to much fun riding. Its money well spent and still spending.. LOL Its like a 2 wheel Honda Civic, parts are endless...

[toyota86]

Another marketing ploy. You'll want it more if you can't have it. Having good resale values fluffs up the brand image. Which leads to speculators. There are also tons of people out there that buy these cars purely as investments. I know a couple of guys that put deposits down for the gt4 years in advance purely to profit from selling the spot/car to some enthusiast/fanboy. It's like ticket scalping. Just more money being thrown around.

[trollguy]

dat porsche bubble

[68style]

Something to do with maintaining their image? I mean... the GT-R for example outperforms most cars, but it's readily available and, considering the dollars for performance, not that expensive... likewise the Corvette in all its iterations... those cars just don't get all that much respect in general and the general feeling about those cars is that if you want one, you just get it or wait for a decent used one to show up... whereas people bow down to anything Porsche sticks a GT badge onto and wait years for one to become available so they can snap it up.

[Tone Loc]

Same reason Enzo Ferrari always said that Ferrari should always build one less car than the market demands.

Rarity and exclusivity, plain and simple. At the end of the day, like Great68 posted, you can get a GTR or Corvette that will deliver 95% of a 911's performance, if not more. But you don't want one because you can walk into any GM or Nissan dealership and get one either off the lot or made to order in a matter of a month or two.

You think Nike MAG shoes would retail at nearly $20,000 on eBay if Nike was flooding the market with them? At the end of the day, they're just shoes that light up. But because there are only 1510 of them, they are worth like 400% of their original retail value...

[Dragon-88]

I was in Vegas recently and had the chance to drive a GTR on the track to its potential(or my full potential in racing the car). It's an amazing car, but in the end I hated the interior it was just too plain, the vehicle had so many assists that it wasn't that much fun to drive, it basically corrected all your faults for you, which was neat but I didnt learn anything from it. For some people that would be awesome, but I felt I lost the whole driving experience.
The year before I drove the GT3 and man was that a blast, the thrill I had in the GT3 was just way more exhilarating. Its something about P-cars and their ability on the track is just amazing and hard to compete in regards to driving experience. Also got to race a 458 Italia, and lets just say I understand why so many people crash their Ferraris on the street.

[bcrdukes]

[Off-Topic]

like Great68 posted

LOL @ 68style :lol

[/Off-Topic]

Carry on. :cool:

[ae101]

i wish one day i can have the same problem as OP :okay:

[The Producer]

could have bought this one a few weeks ago:

Cayman GT4 - Rennlist Discussion Forums (http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/906613-cayman-gt4.html)

Best private deal I've seen - and already in Canada

[TouringTeg]

I am amazed that all GT3 RS are going for 100k USD over MSRP. I think Porsche is missing out by limiting supply too much.

Fun read here: http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/905346-2016-gt3-rs-lava-orange.html

[jasonturbo]

I sent that thread to Porsche NA being like WTF

[swfk]

Porsche Center Vancouver is taking orders for next gen GT4. The sales basically said this is 6 months too late to ask lol

[Mr.Money]

i guess we'll all have to look out for those divorce settlement deals if we want to get into a used porsche not overpriced by investers ;)

[SumAznGuy]

I'll leave this here :fullofwin:

https://vancouver.porschedealer.com/certified/preowned/Porsche/911+GT3/2014/Rhodium+Silver+Metallic/silver/1277544/info.php

[swfk]

I'll leave this here :fullofwin:

https://vancouver.porschedealer.com/certified/preowned/Porsche/911+GT3/2014/Rhodium+Silver+Metallic/silver/1277544/info.php

They're asking $179,900 for the one in Vancouver. Pretty plain car.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc437/swfk2/Mobile%20Uploads/20151223_153123_zps4rqi5umz.jpg

This one is asking $173,000 at Pfaff. Has the front axle lift option with premium sound.
2014 Porsche 911 GT3 for $173,000 in Woodbridge | autoTRADER.ca (http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_24776135)

[jasonturbo]

Mehhh 991, I would rather spend 170K on the below, this thing is hot fire

FS: 2010 Porsche GT3 w/sport buckets - Rennlist Discussion Forums (http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/903160-fs-2010-porsche-gt3-w-sport-buckets.html)

http://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1631x1080/80-dsc_7460_large__3d7bee5b11dbb1da07e36501446b143a04 e9057f.jpg
http://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1631x1080/80-dsc_7480_large__3744ae620b80e2c9b46d8a351a64ffe496 286ab8.jpg

[v_tec]

2016 PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4 (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/pml/cto/5428142644.html) - $159,900

[StylinRed]

:crazy2: if prices are getting raised so insanely... why doesn't someone just open their own Porsche dealership, dealing only in GT3s GT4s etc? and profit :D

[v_tec]

2016 Porsche GT-4 GT4 (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/cto/5437178684.html) - $156888

Priced out this one w/ the options. Came to approx $113,715 before tax.

38% premium :fulloffuck:

[Gallardo]

Sandy Vagina today.

Porsche, for the most part, makes money selling new cars, they don't make any money when someone sells a used GT3 RS on the used market for x2 MSRP.

So why does Porsche restrict the GT model production numbers so much? What the fuck do they care about resale?

Personally it annoys me so much that I almost want to boycott the brand.

This morning I was basically told that there is almost no chance I can get into a new GT4, GT3, or GT3 RS for the next 2-3 years lol

I can tell you this much, if I cough up 200K for a 997 GT3 RS it will be the last Porsche I ever buy, I will never ever buy a new Porsche.

/End Rant.

I'm sure there are lots of other people on here that would also like to own a Porsche GT car one day, it seems really shitty to me that Porsche is intentionally limiting their GT cars to only (what is becoming) the rich. Whether it be through crazy resale values or giving preference to repeat new Porsche buyers etc.

It's kind of like the vancouver housing bubble right now, everyone wants in on the action. Realtors, investors, people with houses to flip, etc.

Except, flipping cars is in a sense more manageable. I haven't looked into how long the 991 P cars will run for before being updated again. But if 3 years of waiting is what it takes, then so be it. Save up your pennies in the time being and aim to buy/allocate two GT3/RS in 2019, one for keepers and one to wait it out and flip for a 100K+ profit.

[jasonturbo]

Soon my SA is giving me first dibs on a GT Silver GT4 with LWB's and PCCB's, not really how I would configure the car but it's already landed and I can have it at MSRP.

Keep the NSX or swap for the GT4????

[The Producer]

NSX FTW

Personally would do any colour but silver and would want steel brakes

Could make some money on the GT4 though - drive it for free for a few months hmmmmmm

[hud 91gt]

NSX. This coming from a Porsche Fanboi... But i'd also say old 911 over any of the above ;)

[smoothie.]

you can keep both

and you should

that way you can actually compare back to back

[underscore]

Personally I'd pick the car designed by Senna over the one designed by Hitler, but that's just me.

[noclue]

buy it and sell the one you don't like when you move down.

NSX honeymoon will end at some point when you miss 21st century technology.

[swfk]

NSX will always be the halo car. GT4 will be a fling until you get a GT3 or RS. 991.2 that is, assuming you'd want a stick shift.

[bcrdukes]

Hmm...let's see.

911 2.7
911 SC
964
993
996
997
991

These cars have come and gone and had their market ups and downs (including rare models and turbo models and WHY.) I remember the 911SC and 964 being so undesirable, back 7 years ago, you couldn't even give away a nice 964 for $15K.

THe NSX has never seen any kind of market fluctuation. It is, and will always, be rare, and highly desirable.

Just some food for thought.

[bananana]

The NSX was a great car in its prime and probably is still a great car now but the GT4 is sick now and will get you more asian pussy.

[Traum]

I'd take the GT4 for a short fling, and make the NSX the keeper.

(Or, if you enjoy the fling too much, you can always turn her into a keeper too. :D )

[white rocket]

NSX > GT4

[BoostedBB6]

If Porsche were to build a ton of GT cars to fill every persons need then it would devalue the brand.
Its something exclusive and prestigious, and frankly it should be.

They will not make as much money as they possibly could if they were to make more of these cars but they don't seem to believe that is the most important aspect of there cars.

[asma123]

Buy this one:
2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/5498583663.html)
Super sexy

[604STIG]

NSX FTW, it will always be timeless. The GT4 will become "just another porsche" Or like some have suggested, if your able to, buy it, drive it for a bit and sell.

[trollguy]

i'd just keep your NSX seeing that you've some good time into it..

but since i dont own either, i'd pick the GT4 hands down.

[asma123]

theres a nice nsx in kelowna Acura NSX | eBay (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Acura-NSX-/162021671116?hash=item25b93e80cc:g:jHEAAOSwFNZWyNT m)
pretty pricey tho but if money is not an issue then ftw

[thumper]

meanwhile... (didn't know where to put this)

Custom Porsche 911 Turbo Sets New York Auto Show on Fire. Literally (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/custom-porsche-911-turbo-sets-new-york-auto-show-on-fire-literally-106100.html)

https://youtu.be/5puS-15qBig

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--HApjCNv3--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ztrpwwmgxptsx0fcekyv.png

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/b64c4745200f8b2552ccbd85217bc7c3/203625891/porsche-911-turbo.jpg

:cry:

[jasonturbo]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/9DCC3183-5EC6-4608-9004-A5956E857FFE.jpg

:nyan:

[Stook]

Looks to be a very high optioned car, take it if it's offered at msrp. I have been looking everywhere, can't find one near msrp at all.

[jasonturbo]

Looks to be a very high optioned car, take it if it's offered at msrp. I have been looking everywhere, can't find one near msrp at all.

I walked from this one, they wanted 18K over MSRP and it had a couple options I didn't want (PCCB and LWB). After passing on the car it was instantly sold to another local customer of the dealer.

I know you have/had an RS with LWB's, not sure how you felt about them but they are not for me.

They are still carrot dangling me with an allocation, would be happy to do a build but not interested in paying > MSRP. Supposed to know by Tuesday AM if I can get allocation.

[Stook]

I would of walked too at 18k over, not my first choice of color but i do prefer to have pccb and bucket seats. the bucket seats fit me well, and decently comfortable. id definitely order them if i were to spec a car. PCCB makes no dust which keep the car/wheel clean all the time. unless you go to track every weekend and run the shit out of it, they would last quite a while.

I started looking for an allocation about a month ago. every dealer i called have told me all the gt4 allocations have given out, no chance of getting one anymore. If they can source you an allocation that hasn't locked, just go for it. or hook a brother up lol

[jasonturbo]

Was out for a walk and saw this -

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/1A6601A6-D0A2-471C-87CF-77E6350C22E7.jpg

Saw it rolling too, sounds good, increased my want factor significantly.

[DGN23]

Whats wrong with a light weight battery? I am assuming thats what you mean by LWB.

[jasonturbo]

Whats wrong with a light weight battery? I am assuming thats what you mean by LWB.

Light Weight Buckets, they look awesome but they don't have any recline adjustment and they can be a challenge when it comes to access/egress.

I really like the standard Porsche sport seats, they are super comfy and supportive, I would rather spec the car with standard sport seats and throw a Pole Position in for track days.

+ LWB's are a 6K option.

http://files2.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/zoom.jpg?pool=multimedia&type=image&id=981-c7-gt4-detail-comfort-seats-xle&lang=none&filetype=zoom&version=76536ce2-ac53-11e4-b849-001a64c55f5c&s=3

Adaptive Sport - Standard Sport - LWB

[Traum]

You know it's funny. Back when the car (GT4) was first released, I was absolutely floored by how pretty the blue and yellow cars were.

Fast forward to the day when I saw a blue GT4 in person -- I was totally smittened by how fantastically good the car (and the colour) looks in real life.

I continue to love the way the lines are and shape of the car (and of course the performance too), but since then, I have seen quite a few different GT4's in person -- usually at the track, but sometimes also in Richmond. I dunno why, but that blue just doesn't seem to work for me anymore. Especially when the car is under the sun, the blue doesn't look nearly as dark or saturated as Porsche's press photos are. The same goes for the yellow. White looks quite decent, but I think that gray might look best to me now.

At any rate, none of this babbling is relevant since I wouldn't ever be able to afford one anyway. :tears:

[Stook]

Blue isn't my first choice of color either, I think those cars should have solid colors not metallic. I maybe getting old, I like red the best followed by white and then yellow.

[Stook]

Was out for a walk and saw this -

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/1A6601A6-D0A2-471C-87CF-77E6350C22E7.jpg

Saw it rolling too, sounds good, increased my want factor significantly.

My want factor went through the roof after i test drove one lol

[Timpo]

LaFerrari, Lexus LFA, McLaren F1, Bugatti Veyron....those cars productions are limited to few hundreds for exclusivity.

Meanwhile Lamborghini is selling Aventador like hotcakes...they just produced 5,000th Aventador not too long ago.
That's way more than Countach, Diablo or Murcielago.

http://img.response.jp/imgs/thumb_h2/1033063.jpg

[trollguy]

Blue isn't my first choice of color either, I think those cars should have solid colors not metallic. I maybe getting old, I like red the best followed by white and then yellow.

friend of mine has a carmina red.. quite lovely BrokeBack

and what does getting old have to do with liking red :D

[jasonturbo]

Carmine Red or White for me, I also feel that the blue looks rather cheap in person.

[westopher]

Guards red for me PLZ
edit:just built my perfect gt4. Only 109k with LWB. Not bad.

[jasonturbo]

http://www.planet-9.com/attachments/981-cayman-gt4-chat/63344d1441398246-just-gt4-pictures-img_7705-1-medium-jpg

Yeah nothing wrong with Guards either lol

[westopher]

Silver wheels is definitely a box more people need to check though.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5631/20737374674_2f8fe6864f_z.jpg

[Stook]

I'm with westopher here. Guards red is my favorite with black wheels. red stitches and belts inside.

[Stook]

friend of mine has a carmina red.. quite lovely BrokeBack

and what does getting old have to do with liking red :D

Lol I noticed generally older people like to drive red cars

Carmine red is very nice, I haven't see one in person though

[trollguy]

really? damn man.. i've been in love with red cars since forever.. :lol:

yah i wasnt sold on that colour until i saw it in person!

[jasonturbo]

My SA just emailed me to say the allocation isn't looking good, supposedly buyer going in tomorrow to finalize.

SA was also trying to push that silver car on me again, I guess the other deal died a quick death.

[noclue]

try saying edmonton's in a recession to get MSRP lol

[DGN23]

Silver wheels is definitely a box more people need to check though.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5631/20737374674_2f8fe6864f_z.jpg
:megusta:

[jasonturbo]

Just bought a GT4 @ MSRP, arrives in July, lock up date was April 20th so I wasn't able to change the configuration.

Agate Grey, Interior Color in Deviated Red Stitch, Red Belts, 64L Tank, Wing Supports in Black, Fire Ext., Carbon Interior, NAV.

I wouldn't have had the NAV, Carbon, or Fire Ext. and would have opted for Carrara White.. but whatever, I'll take it. They also suggested I might have to sign some sort of agreement that I can't flip it for xxx time etc.

Basically this with black wing supports, no carbon buckets.
http://www.absolutespeedmag.com/uploads/5/3/1/5/53159839/1441737914.png

1 month ago they offered me the other car at like 147K + tax, this one will only cost me 107k+ tax (The other car did have LWB's and PCCB but still...)

[The Producer]

i'm forwarding this message to all the dix still thinking their used GT4's are worth 140k+

congrats on the car!

[trollguy]

congrats on the new toy!

[jasonturbo]

i'm forwarding this message to all the dix still thinking their used GT4's are worth 140k+

congrats on the car!

Yeah a lot of people are like me, they want a GT4 but not way over MSRP.

GT4 re-sale market has lost a ton of steam in the states, many of the guys who were hunting for a car ended up getting allocations and didn't need to pay 20% resale tax etc.

[Dragon-88]

Congrats, glad to hear that you didn't have to pay some stupid amount just to acquire one. What was it that they were able to allocate a factory car? I though these were all sold out and was pretty hard to get one?

[bcuzracecarz]

That colour combo is spot on, awesome you got it at msrp. FInally a good price for a low production new P car to someone who will actually drive the piss out of it

http://i.imgur.com/ed9Yp.jpg

[trollguy]

will he.......... will he..................................... drive the piss out of it............... PogChampPogChamp

[jasonturbo]

will he.......... will he..................................... drive the piss out of it............... PogChampPogChamp

I'm already looking at a gearset lol

[yray]

:lawl: can't flip it agreement

[trollguy]

I'm already looking at a gearset lol

:chairdance::chairdance::chairdance:

[smoothie.]

inb4

"i shouldve kept the gt3/itr/m3/s2k"

[jasonturbo]

inb4

"i shouldve kept the gt3/itr/m3/s2k"

You shut your whore ass mouth.

On a totally unrelated note, going to inspect the NSX at the body shop on Monday, might have that bish on the road by the end of next week.

[TouringTeg]

No flip agreement? dafuq?

[Stook]

congrats man! Your dealer is treating you very well! When I called them a couple weeks ago asking if any GT4 available, they laughed at me lol

[westopher]

Jasonturbo bring that shit to Vancouver and let me drive it.BibleThump

[jasonturbo]

I emailed PCNA this morning asking for a last minute revision to my configuration, hoping to change to the color to Carrara White. Quite a few stories on the forums of this being a successful tactic when the dealer tells you it's too late... Porsche is supposed to be that brand that does anything the customer wants, assuming you have enough money and are a repeated customer etc.

Entry to body shop is the 27th of May, so there remains a reasonable amount of time for this revision assuming they do all painting in-house.

[westopher]

PTS that shit peasant.
Rubystone red.

[jasonturbo]

PTS that shit peasant.
Rubystone red.

If you recall PTS was never available, which is why I cancelled my initial deposit and secured allocation.

Sure enough 6 months later I see a handful of PTS cars... fuckers.

Backstory is that Porsche did eventually allow some PTS cars, your SA had to beg on your behalf and unless you had previously or currently own a GT2/GT3/918 you would likely be turned down.

PTS, if you could get it, was an $8000 USD option :badpokerface:

[westopher]

It's too bad. The cars that would have been around if PTS was available for everyone would have been constant neck snappers. There are some great colours to begin with but so many amazing options could have been.

[jasonturbo]

It's too bad. The cars that would have been around if PTS was available for everyone would have been constant neck snappers. There are some great colours to begin with but so many amazing options could have been.

Voodoo Blue

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/676/23708285076_8c7514d708_o.jpg

I will say that the GT4 really lacks the presence of the 911, while I'm excited to get one I still feel like there is a pretty good chance I'll end up with another 997 GT3.

[Mr.Money]

^^^Even lambo rocks that color too.

[jasonturbo]

http://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1200x900/80-916286d1425498176_bbs_monoblock_19_5lug_group_buy_ feeler_bbs5lug_98b1645022369171476c401da1bbe4966ea 80289.jpg

BBS Monoblocks anyone?

[trollguy]

E88 ;)

[jasonturbo]

E88 ;)

IIRC e88 are not available in 19" and 18" wheels don't clear the callipers for some reason.

[trollguy]

well in that case, yes to monoblocks! :chairdance::chairdance:

[white rocket]

Congrats J. Glad you got it and weren't subject to a rape job. That's a big win.

<---in for more!

[Gucci Mane]

bro like, fuck buying a house n shit bro. just get dat gt3rs and ball out bro, you'll be winning.



:troll:

[trollguy]

just came back to post that E88s are actually avail in 19

that is all

[ws6ta]

BUY 918. GET ON 10 YEAR VIP. GET FIRST CRACK AT ALL EXCLUSIVE VEHICLES. STOP BITCHING MAKE MORE MONEY.

[Expresso]

BUY 918. GET ON 10 YEAR VIP. GET FIRST CRACK AT ALL EXCLUSIVE VEHICLES. STOP BITCHING MAKE MORE MONEY.

Comes out of hibernation for this post. LOVE IT.

[jasonturbo]

I emailed PCNA this morning asking for a last minute revision to my configuration, hoping to change to the color to Carrara White. Quite a few stories on the forums of this being a successful tactic when the dealer tells you it's too late... Porsche is supposed to be that brand that does anything the customer wants, assuming you have enough money and are a repeated customer etc.

Entry to body shop is the 27th of May, so there remains a reasonable amount of time for this revision assuming they do all painting in-house.

Porsche responded to my email today:

Dear Mr. PEEPEELICKER,

First and foremost, congratulations on your new Cayman GT4!

While we wish we were able to make changes to your build, once the build has reached the freeze point, we can no longer allow for changes to be made.

I am truly sorry that we are unable to grant your request. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to reach back out to us.

Mehhh, Grey will do.

[trollguy]

man you must have got made fun of by kids growing up with the last name peepeelicker.

:chairdance::chairdance::chairdance::chairdance:

[smoothie.]

if he was better at it, they wouldve thrown in free pts

[jasonturbo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igOiF4eu45A

19" E88's :)

I wonder how long before I cave and order headers/exhaust? Will I even last until the car arrives? This things sounds wonderful.

[westopher]

Grey will look bad. Trade for e36 in colour you want? I'll throw in 10 free meals.

[jasonturbo]

Grey will look bad. Trade for e36 in colour you want? I'll throw in 10 free meals.

Don't remind me, I'm hoping someone else walks away from a White or Red car and I can snap that one up instead lol

[bcuzracecarz]

I'm personally a huge fan of the grey you've got. White is sex too, but grey is equal sex imo

[westopher]

Honestly I think it will look great. The yellow and sapphire are the only ones I find a bit underwhelming, but they are still fucking awesome.

[jasonturbo]

GT4 production complete and en route to Port of Emden.

:nyan:

Can't wait to completely disregard the recommended break in procedure.

[westopher]

Just in time for your one month of driving weather!

[jasonturbo]

Arrgghhhh so the first world problems continue.

I feel like GT4 is a risky buy right now, out the door I'm 114K or 120K with full XPEL film. There are about 8 GT4's for sale in Canada right now between 140-160K, in the states there are cars trading hands @ MSRP. (Which means a number of sellers have sunk costs in taxes, protective film etc)

Do I even want this thing if I could end up in a position where I'm possibly losing money on it??????

FFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[westopher]

You lose money on everything dude. Carry on the tradition.

[Matsuda]

do you want a car to drive and enjoy? or do you want an investment?

[boostfever]

Don't buy it. you gonna lose money

[DGN23]

Cars are for driving. Get it and enjoy life.

[77civic1200]

Jason isn't a driver, he's an investor. How about you buy some property or stocks or something and leave the good cars for people who will use it.

[westopher]

Lol one thing Jason isn't is an investor when it comes to cars. Pretty sure he likes to have as good a time as any of us.

[TouringTeg]

There is something fun about driving a sports car and then making money on it when you sell it.

If you have been lucky enough to experience this once you want to try and do it again.

My ITR may go up in value over time. I don't plan to ever sell it but a rising value makes maintenance costs seem insignificant.

The NSX is not a low mileage garage queen but odds are it will continue to appreciate.

[Stook]

Well if you decide to pass, let me have it pleaseeee!

[underscore]

Cars are almost never an investment, and even then you could've made better money investing in real investments.

[meme405]

Lol one thing Jason isn't is an investor when it comes to cars. Pretty sure he likes to have as good a time as any of us.

Then I dont see why this is even an issue (even less so a 5 page thread). It would be one thing to say: "oh well this thing has taken so long, and now there is other options out there for me which might be better".

But to just look at how prices havn't done the same thing as a 911 GT3 or something like this, and then decide not to buy it based on that, simply demonstrates that you didn't want it because it was going to lose its value.

From any bystander what was typed up above clearly shows that he is looking at not purchasing the car strictly from an investment standpoint.

[westopher]

I think he's a guy that doesn't know if he actually wants the car. Because you know, if i really wanted something, and it was going to drop, I wouldn't give a shit. If I kinda wanted something and prices were climbing I'd take a gamble. You gotta remember he's selling a fucking insane nsx to do this.
Jasonturbo is great at losing massive amounts of money on cars, but even though jasonturbo is a billionaire he's got to think of a risk/reward perspective. Realistically he's only going to own it for 2 months and spend 20k on a set of wheels for it, so I'd be questioning the value of doing that as well if I were him.

[Mr.Money]

that brand new car smell thou & popping the cars cherry getting it up to real speeds.. :fuckyea:
than having Racer boys try fuck around in they're honda's with the Bumblebee exhaust mad jelly.

[jasonturbo]

While I'm sure I will enjoy the Cayman, the reality is that I would prefer a 997 GT3 RS.

So while I'm happy to snap a GT4 up @ MSRP where a considerable margin exists for me, I am not so happy to pick it up if I risk losing money - I might as well just skip right to the buying a GT3 RS part. I was hoping to possibly use the GT4 as leverage in a trade for a GT3 RS or at a minimum, as a hedge against further appreciation in the 997 RS.

The GT4 is oodles of fun to drive, but it just lacks the presence of a 911 - I need that big fat ass in my life.

[jing]

We have a customer with an RS 4.0 and GT2RS for sale, both garage queens. I can get you in contact with him if you'd like.

[smoothie.]

jason buy it just to add to list of owned cars

[meme405]

While I'm sure I will enjoy the Cayman, the reality is that I would prefer a 997 GT3 RS.


Didn't you sell a 997 GT3 under the proclamation that slower cars are better?

I'm reminded of a popular song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHNpusq654

[Gucci Mane]

^ he was trolling. sold it because he wants the gt3 rs.

[meme405]

^ he was trolling. sold it because he wants the gt3 rs.

Well maybe I just like listening to Katy Perry.

Seriously I do.

[boostfever]

^ he was trolling. sold it because he wants the gt3 rs.

Now he almost bought a GT4 because he wants a GT3 RS. this is making great sense.. :inout:

[SkunkWorks]

The days of GT4s for 20k-30 over MSRP are long gone.

Just like those guys selling their used 91 GT3s on RL for over sticker as well :lol

I'm glad it's finally in a "buy" position rather than a "flip/speculator" position IMO. But that will obviously affect your decision if you're in the latter.

[v_tec]

Just when you thought Vancouver's housing price is getting out of hand...
Porsche dealerships on the other hand.... $369900 :lawl:

2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/5671903525.html)
http://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_jR7q4DStwGE_600x450.jpg

Two other white 2015's for sale.
- $238,800 for one in 5000km
- $218,888 for one in 13k km

But the above orange one for $370k.... :fulloffuck:

[XplicitLuder]

Well maybe I just like looking at Katy Perry.

Seriously I do.

fixed

[C-unit]

Just when you thought Vancouver's housing price is getting out of hand...
Porsche dealerships on the other hand.... $369900 :lawl:

2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/5671903525.html)
http://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_jR7q4DStwGE_600x450.jpg

Two other white 2015's for sale.
- $238,800 for one in 5000km
- $218,888 for one in 13k km

But the above orange one for $370k.... :fulloffuck:

The two white ones are GT3, not RS. If there is a GT3 RS for 240K, I would buy it in a heart beat.

370K is normal going rate for the RS. Look at the states market they are in the 290K usd range.

[dark0821]

Just when you thought Vancouver's housing price is getting out of hand...
Porsche dealerships on the other hand.... $369900 :lawl:

2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/5671903525.html)
http://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_jR7q4DStwGE_600x450.jpg

Two other white 2015's for sale.
- $238,800 for one in 5000km
- $218,888 for one in 13k km

But the above orange one for $370k.... :fulloffuck:

Holy shit.... I mean I am a GT3 fanboy.... but how much did 458 go for in Vancouver?

[westopher]

The two white ones are GT3, not RS. If there is a GT3 RS for 240K, I would buy it in a heart beat.

370K is normal going rate for the RS. Look at the states market they are in the 290K usd range.
While it is the going rate, I think its pretty dirty that the dealerships were given allocations to sell at massive markups and people who tried to get allocations couldn't.
Its one thing when 964s, 997 gt3s, etc have a natural appreciation due to rising demand and dwindling supply, but Porsche should have rules in place to prevent dealers from creating an artificial drop in supply by purchasing themselves and spiking prices. You know how many of these cars are just sitting on showroom floors compared to how many people missed out on allocations?
Porsche doesn't benefit from it, and if anything it hurts their brand image in the long run. Just the dealers will benefit.

[flagella]

Dealerships are typically just fucking scums who are taking a slice of margin at the expense of consumers. Basically any middle men are and they should be eliminated. Spare me the how they provide benefits blah blah crap. Same with real estate agents. They are not needed in this day and age where all the information can be accessed online. Stop limiting info to consumers and allow more transparent information flow and everyone will benefit (Tesla model works fine). Hope to see these professions disappear just like how stock brokers have, for the most part.

[jasonturbo]

Sure, let's talk about allocations and mark up on GT cars.

First of all, when a dealer is allocated x number of GT cars, they can only actually secure those allocations if a named buyer exists, that is to say, the dealer is unable to order a GT car as dealer inventory. Another interesting point about allocations is that PCNA will often force the dealer to order additional "less desirable" units to secure more GT allocations - something like 5 Cayennes for another GT4 allocation.

How does one secure an allocation then? The customer contacts local Porsche dealer long before a car is officially released and provides a deposit of 5-10K, this deposit secures a spot on the wait list, if you are the first person to put down a deposit you will typically receive the first available allocation. HOWEVER, if you have never bought a Porsche before, or have no relationship with the local dealer, expect your name to slip down the list - you are essentially a soulless anon and while you will remain 1st in line among the other anons, customers who have an existing relationship with the dealer will get preferential treatment and will jump to the front of the line.

So at this point, the dealer can now start long cocking people but most rarely do, we will call this "allocation tax" - where the dealer basically tells you they can get you an allocation but it will cost MSRP +10K... the basis of which is usually "market adjustment" or that they have another customer who is willing to sell their allocation etc... it's all bullshit anyway. The dealer is NOT supposed to sell the cars for >MSRP.

Now here is where it actually gets juicy, people walking away from allocations. The dealer loves this, they can now give the allocation to another customer or they can receive the car and convert it to dealer inventory where they can list it for market price and not have to fear any negative feedback from PCNA.

Another common occurrence is that someone takes delivery of a GT car, drives it for 3 months, and then the dealer offers to buy it back for 10K over what the customers paid etc. Once again they can now list the car for market price, it's not uncommon for dealers to do this and to provide the seller with some sort of horse trade where they are promised a spot for another desirable model etc.

So while it seems awful the dealer is asking a fortune for that 991 RS, they might have bought it back from a customer for 50K over MSRP to start with.

Pretty retarded.

[meme405]

fixed

Truuuuu

and I wouldn't trust anyone that wouldnt want to...

http://www.speakerscorner.me/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/katy57.jpg

:megusta:

[punkwax]

And this is EXACTLY why I won't buy a 200k+ Porsche.. it's the principal of the matter :badpokerface:

[swfk]

I know it's the weekend, she's pretty attractive and all, but Katy should be spoiler'd for people at work

[underscore]

You know how many of these cars are just sitting on showroom floors compared to how many people missed out on allocations?

A lot of them would just be sitting in garages anyways. When I was younger I used to think people actually drove these high end cars, now I know most of them (Porsches more than others) are purchased just to be able to say you own it.

[Traum]

My impression is, the majority of owners that care enough to join the local Porsche Club chapter will drive their cars, often enthusiastically. And a good bunch of them will take it to the track as well.

But I do wonder what percentage of owners care enough to join the local PCA chapter... Probably not very high at all.

[yray]

^they buy two, one in the garage, one to drive haha

[jasonturbo]

Soooo the car is slated to arrive on Thursday :)

I was trying to get the dealer to swap my car for the used black GT4 they had in the showroom - they declined as the car had a deal in the works and has since sold.

I wouldn't believe it, but I saw it with my own eyes, they sold a GT4 w/ 2800KM's and almost no options for 149K... 42K over sticker.

I guess the Canadian used market hasn't suffered from the American drop in prices... yet.

[jasonturbo]

2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 Porsche Approved CPO! for $164,900 in Langley | autoTRADER.ca (http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Porsche/Cayman/Langley/British+Columbia/5_28371201_20141114120214491/?ursrc=hl&showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=1_15_12)

Lol 165K for a GT4 with 3100KM.

Whoever pays that will probably set the bar for highest % paid over MSRP (even with the LWB's and PCCB's)

I can't wait to flip mine for a quick buck :troll:

When this Porsche bubble pops it's going to be ugly.

[westopher]

I fucking hope it pops before the real estate bubble here pops so I can use a HELOC to buy yours and you can carry on with the tradition.

[jasonturbo]

D day tomorrow.

Will post douchey Porsche dealer delivery pictures.

[StanleyR]

When this Porsche bubble pops it's going to be ugly.

I don't know if that will ever happen. As long as housing is unobtainable, cars will continue to follow.

So far the housing market shows no signs of cooling off...

[TouringTeg]

Saw a 2016 agate grey boxster today. Look forward to the pics!

[Gucci Mane]

The 911 R is a fantasy Porsche, a naturally-aspirated and manual only piece of rolling art in an age of PDK transmissions and ultimate lap times. It also came with a not-too-shabby starting price of $185,000, but collectors are going to collect. Now the ultimate 911 has an asking price of $1.3 million on the used market.

Not long ago we found a 911 R on eBay from a questionable seller with an asking price of $1.25 million. We thought this was a bit crazy, but apparently, the current market conditions are not far off.

Motoring Research recently spoke with Magnitude Finance supercar finance experts in the UK, and they claim that 911 R prices are commanding more than £800,000 on the secondhand market.

“We believe this is a record level of appreciation for a new car based on a percentage of its original value...We spoke to several Porsche specialist dealers and they confirmed the cars are commanding close to £1 million ($1.3 million USD) but they can’t list them at this amount.” - said Magnitude head Tim Marlow
The 911 R is selling for over seven times its original sticker price—a level of appreciation is greater than the ultra-limited edition LaFerrari. With only 991 examples of the R available, and the fact that the collectable Porsche market is absolutely bonkers, it’s really no surprise to see these cars skyrocket so fast.

Personally, if I had way too much money to spend on a Porsche, I’d opt for a few classics reimagined by Singer in a variety of their wonderful colors, because the R is only available in boring white, with or without tacky stripes.

There, I said it. And I don’t care of the stripes are “historic” they are tacky.

You Can Buy Three Singer Porsches For The Price Of This Used 911 R (http://jalopnik.com/you-can-buy-three-singer-porsches-for-the-price-of-this-1784142439)


holy crap. and people thought the gt3rs prices were nuts...

[twitchyzero]

i might understand if there were only like a dozen of of them...991 units and already asking 7-folds? oh ok

[jasonturbo]

Bubble will pop.

[jasonturbo]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/9CE9146B-EE1A-48F1-882F-542EDD81CBD7.jpg

Pretty happy with the GT4, it's probably softer and more compliant than I expected.

Still, I think 997 GT3 > GT4. (Mind you taking the warranty and entry price into consideration the GT4 is certainly the better "value")

[Mr.Money]

man that is sexy...i thought it was bright silver,not dark Silver...whoo.

[v_tec]

:megusta::megusta::sweetjesus:

[dark0821]

godddamn..... you know what, maybe not being able to change the color was a good thing... cuz that is sex... right there!

[evlee]

love the colour

[jasonturbo]

150KM deep, car is :jerkit: The grey grew on me very quickly.

Car was dropped off for 3M today, after only 150KM there are already a few very very small rock chips on the side intakes, people aren't kidding when they say the GT4 is prone to rock chips :s

Really though the GT4 is worthy of the hype!

[Gucci Mane]

too bad its still not a gt3rs



:troll:

[JSALES]

Thought I'd leave this in here instead of starting a new thread lol

Porsche Left a Note for Acura in the 911 GT3 Used as NSX Benchmark ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog (http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-left-a-note-for-acura-in-the-911-gt3-used-as-benchmark-for-the-nsx/)

[european]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/9CE9146B-EE1A-48F1-882F-542EDD81CBD7.jpg

Pretty happy with the GT4, it's probably softer and more compliant than I expected.

Still, I think 997 GT3 > GT4. (Mind you taking the warranty and entry price into consideration the GT4 is certainly the better "value")


sweet! super sweet!

[Mr.Money]

2015 Porsche 911 GT3 - Weissach (http://www.weissach.com/listings/2015-porsche-991-gt3-calgary-ab-pu1107/)

[ws6ta]

car looks great! congrats:fuckyea:

[Mr.Money]

why it looks like somebody bought it for the fine price 260k and Flipped it Now for $322,900 :heckno:
2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS - Weissach (http://www.weissach.com/listings/2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs-vancouver-bc-v64196/)

[jasonturbo]

So after about a month and a meager 500KM I will note the following;
- GT4 is a magnet for rock chips, mainly the side intake ducts, you constantly hear rocks bouncing around in there.
- Tires and brakes need some heat, until they are warm the car has very limited braking and grip, which sort of hurts the street driving experience, I've already had the back end come out more than expected a number of times.
- Thank god I bought the sport seats and not the race buckets, even 30 minutes in the sport seats starts to irritate my back.
- Stereo (With Nav package) is pretty awful, granted that's not why you buy one of these cars, but still, for 100K, common.
- The A/C blows so cold there is a risk of hypothermia.
- Gearing is loooooong, just as everyone else has said.

Ultimately I end up in the familiar position of feeling like it's simply not fun having a "fast" car for public roads anymore, slow drivers, speed limits, traffic, just ruins the experience. Maybe it's gotten worse over the last 3 years or maybe I was just very ignorant to it before and drove like a retard - considering the fact I've only had one speeding ticket in last 9 years that's probably not the case.

I'm still hunting for an E92 M3 in a number of specific colors, I feel like that car best straddles the line between race car capabilities and street driving comfort/fun... I suspect I will part with the GT4 at some point soon. I am also still searching for a 997.1 RS but that will really just be a C&C car, something that rarely sees the light of day.

Since having back surgery I'm really enjoying just being active, I would much rather go for a bike ride than a drive in the car.

#oldasfuck

[westopher]

Fine. I'll trade you for the e36 straight up. I bang it off the rev limiter regularly without speeding haha.

[Iron Chef]

Maybe you shouldn't be a fucking pussy and track your car. I don't get why you buy performance cars but don't do performance driving . I'm sure you will enjoy then more.

[Gucci Mane]

Maybe you shouldn't be a fucking pussy and track your car. I don't get why you buy performance cars but don't do performance driving . I'm sure you will enjoy then more.

well for starters he lives in fucking edmonton. the roads are so bad there... also, do they even have any tracks there to race on?

[bcuzracecarz]

I will be in Edmonton this whole coming weekend and will gladly come race... I mean drive all your cars free of charge

[SkunkWorks]

Good. Since you're a fellow RSer I'll straight trade you for my much slower 911.

[eason_c]

So after about a month and a meager 500KM I will note the following;
- GT4 is a magnet for rock chips, mainly the side intake ducts, you constantly hear rocks bouncing around in there.
- Tires and brakes need some heat, until they are warm the car has very limited braking and grip, which sort of hurts the street driving experience, I've already had the back end come out more than expected a number of times.
- Thank god I bought the sport seats and not the race buckets, even 30 minutes in the sport seats starts to irritate my back.
- Stereo (With Nav package) is pretty awful, granted that's not why you buy one of these cars, but still, for 100K, common.
- The A/C blows so cold there is a risk of hypothermia.
- Gearing is loooooong, just as everyone else has said.

Ultimately I end up in the familiar position of feeling like it's simply not fun having a "fast" car for public roads anymore, slow drivers, speed limits, traffic, just ruins the experience. Maybe it's gotten worse over the last 3 years or maybe I was just very ignorant to it before and drove like a retard - considering the fact I've only had one speeding ticket in last 9 years that's probably not the case.

I'm still hunting for an E92 M3 in a number of specific colors, I feel like that car best straddles the line between race car capabilities and street driving comfort/fun... I suspect I will part with the GT4 at some point soon. I am also still searching for a 997.1 RS but that will really just be a C&C car, something that rarely sees the light of day.

Since having back surgery I'm really enjoying just being active, I would much rather go for a bike ride than a drive in the car.

#oldasfuck

I found the GT4 brakes to be quite good for street use. I see that you got steel brakes, it shouldn't need that much heat for good stopping power.

[jasonturbo]

Maybe you shouldn't be a fucking pussy and track your car. I don't get why you buy performance cars but don't do performance driving . I'm sure you will enjoy then more.

You are wrong, I would enjoy them less, because I'm broke and I can't afford brake pads or tires.

I found the GT4 brakes to be quite good for street use. I see that you got steel brakes, it shouldn't need that much heat for good stopping power.

Mehhh the OEM pads inspire twice as much confidence when hot vs. cold IMO. Sure they are adequate for the street, but the feel and sensation of braking power is far better when you have some heat in them.

[trollguy]

man, wish i had your problems jason. enjoy in good health, or whatever those old farts say on RL.

in any case, if you're enjoying being active, i hope you got a cipollini or whatever mooty has as well :)

[jasonturbo]

Mooty is intense hey lol

[trollguy]

that guy is ridiculous man.. that SF money.. 4 sets of BBS for each car and a warehouse of.. who knows what. his monthly sale threads are always exciting lol

[jasonturbo]

His wife the breadwinner according to him, some sort of physician.

Assuming he's not joking.. Must be nice.

"Hun, can I buy a new mango yellow GT3 RS? The other 10 GT3 rs's in the garage aren't enough"

[eason_c]

You are wrong, I would enjoy them less, because I'm broke and I can't afford brake pads or tires.



Mehhh the OEM pads inspire twice as much confidence when hot vs. cold IMO. Sure they are adequate for the street, but the feel and sensation of braking power is far better when you have some heat in them.

I have to agree with the tires, they are expensive. But brake pad isn't that bad.

I haven't try steel brake personally, PCCB do need a bit of heat to get it working but still more than adequate for the street just like you said.

[noclue]

Jasonturbo I think I saw you in Edmonton while I was there for business this long weekend. By the sherwood park area?

But wow Edmonton is such a gloomy place, no place for a porsche. Embrace your inner redneck and get a corvette or a lifted F350 with dualies.

[jasonturbo]

Jasonturbo I think I saw you in Edmonton while I was there for business this long weekend. By the sherwood park area?

But wow Edmonton is such a gloomy place, no place for a porsche. Embrace your inner redneck and get a corvette or a lifted F350 with dualies.

Most likely was me, my office is in Sherwood Park.

Edmonton sucks, just like most cities suck compared to Van or LA lol shame I wasn't born rich and beautiful :(

Having said that, when I return from travel to the GTA, Edmonton doesn't seem so bad hahaha

Though Edmonton is a terrible city to own a nice car, nowhere to enjoy it.

[jasonturbo]

Strong temptation to list the GT4 for sale.. there are no other cars for sale in the Province right now, would probably pocket 25K+ #capitalism

[bcuzracecarz]

Drove through Porsche Edmonton today, nice yellow gt4 in the lot, they so pretty, love the couple of used 997 turbos for sale too

[jasonturbo]

I really don't like the look of the GT4 from the rear, it's just missing those big fat 911 hips.

Looks great from the front though :)

Probably go clean the GT4 tomorrow, maybe snap some pics incase I decide to sell it.

[DGN23]

I really don't like the look of the GT4 from the rear, it's just missing those big fat 911 hips.

Looks great from the front though :)

Probably go clean the GT4 tomorrow, maybe snap some pics incase I decide to sell it.

Looks like temptation won.

2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 for $144,000 in EDMONTON | autoTRADER.ca (http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Porsche/Cayman/EDMONTON/Alberta/19_9787744_/?showcpo=ShowCPO&orup=23_15_218)

[smoothie.]

requesting username change to jasonfliptuner or flipturbo or jasontuner

[ravenhill]

Since you owned the ITR for longer, it is clearly the superior vehicle. I'll be generous and do a straight up trade... my itr (champ white Canadian car) for your GT4. :hotbaby:

[jasonturbo]

Kinda don't care whether or not it sells... actively searching for the "just right" E92 M3...

[smoothie.]

Kinda don't care whether or not it sells... actively searching for the "just right" E92 M3...

give it to me (m3), ill keep it longer

[jasonturbo]

Never should have sold my E46, all my GF's fault, stoopid fucking hooman.

No calls on the GT4 yet, hype is dead lol

[SkunkWorks]

Someone will buy it eventually. Both PCV and PCL have theirs at 149.

Kinda ironic that the gain on this could almost get you that old E46 back :/ Such is life...

[Mr.Money]

the insanity makes me laugh and confused....Sexy NSX...Latest GT4 - it doesn't make me fully happy,i want something else.

Fuck these high maintenance supermodels,i want a simple Surrey girl that does more for less :troll:



jokes.

[jasonturbo]

The more money you have and the easier things come, the less satisfying these things tend to be, I think that's part of the issue for me.

I'm excited to cut down to one vehicle (well, two, but work truck doesn't count) and just not spend time cleaning 4 vehicles, not pay insurance on 4 vehicles, not have to find/pay for parking for 4 vehicles, etc

We're moving back to Van in November, excited to just have one car that works all year and will be fun to drive around town or to NorCal etc

E9x M3 is the car I should have bought new to my specs in 2013, oops.

[prolepsis]

jasonturbo: perhaps it's the journey/process that you like rather than the destination but I think you already know that.

I have an E92 M3 and 987.2 Cayman and when switching between them, the M3 is much more comfortable but you can feel the higher weight. I prefer cars ~3000 lbs or so, but do enjoy each for their specific focus--M3 luxury with sport; Cayman sport first.

Am backwards to you as a GT4 is an aspirational purchase/goal, but the used market mark up is too high currently. If the next GT4 is still NA, then I can see the market softening. If the next GT4 isn't NA, then who knows.

[jasonturbo]

I think GT4 values will come down in the very near future, they cranked quite a few more cars off the assembly line towards the end of the production run - lots of them for sale.

I would rather be shopping for road bikes than cars at this point, I was out in the GT4 briefly today and it wasn't at all enjoyable with the Sunday traffic.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/jasonturbo/1_2.jpg

Dropped my price to 139.9K, there are two Porsches for sale at dealers in Quebec right now for roughly 140K, can't really be priced higher than the dealers when you're selling privately.

[westopher]

150k for one in white over here. Its been for sale for about 6 months it seems. I'd be much more inclined to buy yours. Unfortunately, I'm saving up about 2 dollars a day for an e36 suspension bushing overhaul, so I'm not really a player in the market.

[trollguy]

I think GT4 values will come down in the very near future, they cranked quite a few more cars off the assembly line towards the end of the production run - lots of them for sale.

I would rather be shopping for road bikes than cars at this point, I was out in the GT4 briefly today and it wasn't at all enjoyable with the Sunday traffic.


oh boy.. its a disease.. i'm looking too. FailFish

[jasonturbo]

Finding it hard to follow through with selling the GT4 :s

[Mr.Money]

throw it in insured storage a few years with fluids drained and i bet you can profit some,They are limited numbers even though you say they pumped a few more out end of the year...i'm Sure somebody in 3-4 years will pay for a low km GT4 in a desirable color.

[Digitalis]

One car for everything? I'd take a c63 amg awd wagon.

[Marco911]

Dropped my price to 139.9K, there are two Porsches for sale at dealers in Quebec right now for roughly 140K, can't really be priced higher than the dealers when you're selling privately.

Don't forget that dealers can offer CPO warranties while private sellers can't. Good luck with sale.

[jasonturbo]

Car had extended Porsche warranty equivalent to CPO ;) (6 year)

[jasonturbo]

So I can sell the GT4 for a small profit or return it to the dealer at break even with a commitment of sorts that I get a 991.2 GT3 allocation...

Decisions decisions...

[DGN23]

Easy decision. 991.2 GT3.

[bcuzracecarz]

Gt3 would be incredible, would love to have that decision....I'm over here deciding between eating or putting gas in my car

[westopher]

So I can sell the GT4 for a small profit or return it to the dealer at break even with a commitment of sorts that I get a 991.2 GT3 allocation...

Decisions decisions...
Why get the gt3? So you can come complain on RS some more about how you are too much of a pussy for it while it sits in your underground parking in Edmonton while you vape in front of it?
Sell the gt4, buy an e92 and move out of that shithole already.

[Bender Unit]

jasonturbo is single-handily keeping Revscene alive
It is coming to "almost" a full circle
:troll:

in 2015
http://www.revscene.net/forums/698605-why-i-will-not-keeping-my-997-gt3-why-shitty-cars-better-cars.html

in 2017
Why I will not be keeping my 991.2 GT3, and why "shitty' cars are better cars...

:moderated:

[jasonturbo]

Why get the gt3? So you can come complain on RS some more about how you are too much of a pussy for it while it sits in your underground parking in Edmonton while you vape in front of it?

I'm never going to show up in person to an RS meet for fear of being photographed and converted to a "first world problems" meme character.

GT4 should be out of my life early this week, deposit taken on NSX and just waiting for Letter of Compliance from Honda of America.

What does it all mean? It means I'm actively shopping for a number of replacements, very tempted to build a 964 RS copy but terrified of what I will end up spending on it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/cf/bf/86cfbfb1e63ec5e9d6640bd2307459ec.jpg

[westopher]

Between a set of pole positions, a set of cup 2s, some air ducts and some door pulls, you could have something pretty close for under 90k, and in awesome condition. I wish I was less poor as 964s were so cheap. The more money I have to spend the more expensive everything cool gets.
Theres a sick local 964 for 60k(?)
Retarded price, but thats the going rate now I guess.

[jasonturbo]

One thing that has me scratching my head the last few days - E30 M3's values > 964 values.

I have no idea why anyone would take a E30 M3 over a 964 :s

[westopher]

There is a way larger range in the e30 m3 market. I've seen quite a few e30s lately I've considered (only to realize I'm retarded and have no understanding of my personal finances) for the price they have been listed. I'm talking great drivers for 38-45k USD.
That seems to be lower than the driver 964s by a shade. However you can get fucking incredible 964s, even RS americas for like 80k, where the best e30 M3s eclipse 100k.
If I could truly commit to the price difference from my car to the next choice, I'd buy whichever one popped up in my price range for the condition I wanted first. They are certainly 2 of my favourite cars looks wise, but I've never driven either. Only non-M e30s.

[SkunkWorks]

That 964 is my old car...

Accident history and a hell of a flip at 68k lol

[The Producer]

Yep, figured it was. I wish I'd bought it from you when it was very fairly priced for its history/condition. Oh well, flippers gonna flip

[SkunkWorks]

Yeah. It was a good honest car. Now, I'd have to sell it twice to rebuy it :(

[westopher]

I thought you sold it for 40k USD?

[TouringTeg]

64k now. On sale! https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/cto/5793358164.html

My 97 C4S w/175km had a $25k hit and a vandalism claim as well. I sold it too cheap apparently at 72k CAD.

I drove a rat bagged 365km 1990 964 C2 and it was awesome. Baltic blue on blue interior with sport seats as well. $15k CAD and I passed. If you read some of the projects on RL they are long and expensive but you are left with a fantastic car worth holding on to. I've never driven an E30 but I understand the nostalgia and appeal of the wide body. RS America up to $90k USD on BAT: 1993 Porsche 911 RS America | Bring a Trailer (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-porsche-964-2/)

Jason you made a good point the other day that you get warranty with 997.2 GT3 RS. At 180K + that is serious coin though.

https://images.craigslist.org/00u0u_kjjQB6G3jrC_600x450.jpg

[Marco911]

Car had extended Porsche warranty equivalent to CPO ;) (6 year)

Aftermarket warranty?

[jasonturbo]

1995 Porsche 993 Carrera 4 - Tastefully Upgraded - Rennlist Discussion Forums (http://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-marketplace/944476-1995-porsche-993-carrera-4-tastefully-upgraded.html)

http://rennlist.com/forums/attachments/vehicle-marketplace/1071683d1468781425-1995-porsche-993-carrera-4-tastefully-upgraded-img_9856-1-.jpg

Dang, want.

[jasonturbo]

Itching for another GT4...

Stateside the premium is gone, they are now trading hands at list or below.

I would love another 997 GT3 but I'm old and soft, I need tech and comfort... plus warranty is nice to have when the potential costs to repair catastrophic engine failure start at 25k.

[TouringTeg]

GT4 are getting reasonable Most have low mileage and barely used.

There is one on bring a trailer

[toyota86]

For speculators and opportunists, its probably a good time now to buy and dump the cayman GT4 back to the dealer for a spot to buy the 991 GT3 6mt or GT2. Word is that unless you have something with GT or greater in the name to trade, chances are slim they will give you allocation.

[m_coupe]

all the gt4's at the dealers though, porsche or otherwise are still in the mid to upper $140,000's.....

[Robert Stack]

Time to secure that GT2 RS allocation bud

[MC21]

I highly doubt you can get a GT2RS allocation unless you are on the VIP program.

Regarding the 991.2 GT3, you can still get an allocation (2018 built) if you have a GT4/GT3(997.2<)/RS trade-in; I can point you to the right person to talk to.