[Timpo]

TRC promise puts Liberals on track to repeal spanking laws
One of 94 'calls to action' was to ban use of corporal punishment by parents, teachers
By Kathleen Harris, CBC News Posted: Dec 22, 2015 7:09 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 22, 2015 7:09 PM ET

TRC promise puts Liberals on track to repeal spanking laws - Politics - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/spanking-truth-reconciliation-laws-1.3376725)

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Commissioner Justice Murray Sinclair shakes hands with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during the release of the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation commission, which includes a call to repeal the so-called 'spanking' law. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Canada's spanking laws are set for an overhaul as part of the Liberal government's promise to adopt all of the recommendations stemming from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

One of the 94 "calls to action" after the six-year inquiry into widespread abuse at residential schools for indigenous children was to repeal section 43 of the Criminal Code, which allows parents and teachers to discipline children with "reasonable" force.

"At this point, we cannot speculate on potential legislative or policy approaches to address this issue. However the government is committed to implementing all of the 94 calls to action," said Christian Girouard, spokesman for Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould.

The "spanking law" was upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2004, but set guidelines outlining "reasonable limits" to the act. In that decision, the court ruled that reasonable corrective force can be used against children between the ages of two and 12 years old.

The TRC recommendation has revived a heated national debate on the issue.

"If we hit a child, we're hitting creation, and that's something that's just not on. That is something that is not a traditional teaching or a traditional practice," he said.

Moran said the commission likely foresaw the potential broader consequences for all Canadians.

"I would think they would have thought this would have implications and reverberations throughout society," he said. And I would think... that they were aware of the fact they were putting something out there that had a degree of controversy around it but probably felt this was a necessary and important change to reflect on and implement."

'Risk factor' with spanking

Kathy Lynn of Corinne's Quest, an organization campaigning to end physical punishment of children, told CBC News Network's Power and Politics that corporal punishment is a practice that is both outdated and unnecessary. She asked why, in 2015, we are still permitting the "legalized abuse" of children.

"It sends a message that in our country we believe children should be hurt. And most importantly, research shows that every time we hit a child there is a risk factor involved," she said.

But Diane Watt of REAL Women of Canada, which describes itself as a "pro-family conservative women's movement," insisted it's necessary to protect parents, teachers and children.

"We're talking about reasonable, moderate, corrective force to improve behaviour and prevent harm that children can cause to one; to put a child in a car seat or remove them from a harmful situation," she said.

[Timpo]

As of now, parents and teachers are allowed to use reasonable amount of physical force to correct child's behavior without risking criminal prosecution.

The "Spanking" Law: Section 43 of the Criminal Code (PRB 05-10E) (http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/prb0510-e.htm#section43)
London Free Press: News Section - Spanking a crime? (http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/01/18/316598.html)

I guess this is about to change.

So the only way to correct misbehaved child is to correct it by words.
If that doesn't work, take them to psychiatrists and put them on medication.

[CRS]

Like Russell Peters' father said "I know it's going to take them 23 minutes to get here, in that time, somebody going to get a hurt real bad."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

[Armind]

Asians: :fuckthatshit::accepted:

[BoostedBB6]

Teachers spanking kids.....I don't know about any of you, but where I went to school, if you touched a kid you would have a 30+ student classroom beat down on that teacher.
As for parents spanking, I know my father did one time. I had stolen something when i was 7 or 8, i think it was some gum or something from a hardware store. I got spanked for that. Nothing crazy, i dont even remember it hurting, but I have not stolen a dam thing since then and I do not think ill of my father.

Biggest issue here is there is no one determining what is reasonable and justifiable. I do not think spanking is wrong in its idea, however there are to many people out there willing to beat the snot our of there kids simply for making a sound. Something has to change for sure, but whatever they do about a "law" you will not stop child abuse by saying spanking is not ok, just the same way banning guns will not stop shootings. Perhaps come down harder on those who get caught being abusive, stop with the pussy footing around when it comes to things like this Canada....fuk

[zilley]

If my kid was wrong, I wouldnt be happy with the teacher spanking them.

however, I will be spanking them at home.

kids needs to be beat, some are just fucking little brats.

[Nlkko]

Spanking kids is not traditional teaching. What.

[fliptuner]

My brothers and I got beatings when mom and dad were pissed for whatever reason. It was fucking bullshit.

Discipline your kids, don't beat them. I made a point not to spank my son when I was angry and to be mindful of what I was trying to accomplish.

[pastarocket]

My friends tell me that they discipline their children by withdrawing privileges. They want to play their Nintendo DS, or play games on their iPad?

Kiss that Nintendo DS or iPad goodbye for two weeks or longer if they do something really bad. :lawl:

[MuranoGO-15]

If parents can't discipline their children through physical discipline, then how about the courts of law and police? How come they can't get through to these kids by just 'talking' to them?

[Mr.HappySilp]

lol come on a little spanking doesn't hurt. When I was still in school in Hong Kong if I did something bad the teachers would slap my hand really hard with a wooden/metal ruler. When I told my mom, I got more spanking form my mom not with ruler but with those feather dusters that the end is made with bamboo. Got the shit beaten out of mine with marks too. But guess what? I learn to behave in class from now on.

One time I was watching TV at the neighbour and is time for dinner. Mom drag me back and I didn't want to. I went out and grab a garbage can and was trying to fight her. Oh that was a bad move. Got my shit beaten so bad that day. Even my grandparents were like I ask for it (even though they always told my mom not to hit me.). Guess what? I learn to listen to what my mom saids after.

Kids need some beating. Without it they aren't scare of anyone. Taking away their toys, games, and make them sit in their room isn't going to do shit. If the kid doesn't listen, he won't listen. A little beating does wonders. After I got my ass beat I remember not to do those things again. My sister but whip too. We turn out fine.

Was chatting with a co-worker and her daughter won't listen to her. Take away all the toys and games? She gets more piss, you can reason with them, they won't stop. Her daughter even throw a remote right at her 55inch TV and smash it.Reason for it? Calling her mom an asshole for not buying her an iPad coz all her friends had one so she got grounded. Just last night her daughter crawl into her bed at like 3am (i guess after the daughter went to pee) and wanted to sleep with mom and kick dad off. Mom won't let her and started fighting and the daughter won't leave. Co-worker ended up with no sleep at all. In case like this if I was the mom I would whip the daughters' ass so bad so won't do it again.

I would personally buy the teacher some beer for beating my kids at school if they weren't behaving.

[TOPEC]

http://franklio.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/3/2/10327760/1108492_orig.jpg

every asian family had one of these thing, and the description on the pic is completely accurate
parents would swing this shit hard enough to make a swooshing wing noise... fuck...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

generation of pussies.

[Mr.HappySilp]

generation of pussies.

Agree when I got beaten as a kid I took it like a men (even though i was crying). Kids these days scream for child protection even if you try to scare them......

[Gucci Mane]

Agree when I got beaten as a kid I took it like a men (even though i was crying). Kids these days scream for child protection even if you try to scare them......

then they get into college and need safe spaces..

[MuranoGO-15]

I personally feel that if these laws keep up, we going to have a new generation of lots of gays and trans-gender kids in society from our own blood and those who aren't fond of those things. We are being too 'soft' now, where anything goes! Having morals and religious beliefs has to stand for something, even God used violence in the bible to prove his point & keep things right, to get his will accomplished. In other religions if you don't believe in the bible, its the same thing too. Can't see how 'talking' to anybody gets anything accomplished, even countries as a whole and nation don't use 'talk' as a mean of accomplishing anything! Why don't we just "talk" to ISIS then perhaps this will all end? NOT!

[hchang]

I personally feel that if these laws keep up, we going to have a new generation of lots of gays and trans-gender kids in society from our own blood and those who aren't fond of those things. We are being too 'soft' now, where anything goes! Having morals and religious beliefs has to stand for something, even God used violence in the bible to prove his point and get his will accomplished. In other religions if you don't believe in the bible, its the same thing.



I feel like that's already been happening

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/texasbanks/388171DB-8477-4A09-BF44-0BDE488D2B87_zpslzzuytbe.jpg (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/texasbanks/media/388171DB-8477-4A09-BF44-0BDE488D2B87_zpslzzuytbe.jpg.html)

[MuranoGO-15]

hchang, yes that is true, but something has to give to make it stop! Or else let it all go buckwild freebird. I don't really know personally as a parent what's right or wrong myself, even though I have morals and biblical religions handed down to me too. I'm now living in a confused world to say the least. I like that more people have freedom and accepted and not judged on their beliefs, gender, religion or race, etc. Why if your own child tomorrow says their gay or they wanna be transgender, how do you personally feel about that? Do you accept that as something you personally did wrong or is a way of your genes and family blood line cause to happen because of defects, or perhaps they superior to all of us, perhaps they as gay/trans-gender is a new way of life and can become bigger better things then we are right now. I don't really know what to think!!! Should people keep things in the closet, or should they just go all-out out of the closet, and be themselves what they feel inside, without caring about what others think, just to live their life out to be happy? If society can accept that, then I fear that other groups like NAMBLA in US, who are grown up men that want equal rights to love a child or boy, and catholic priests who do the same thing in a sick sense will have their way too. Its too much grey areas, that I have no say on or can justify or take sides on, except to sit back watch how society in a 10-20years from now going to play this whole thing out! Lots of new things have happened in the World that makes me think twice about my own judgement and beliefs, like Barack Obama becoming the president of USA, I never knew a black president could become commander and chief of one of the most powerful countries of the world. Then women leaders of other countries too. In our own Asian Cultures, I hope walls will break down and things will happen too, like I'm still waiting for a lady leader of china for example, or a muslim leader of UK, or even lets say a transgender leader of Germany or something like that, i think this will all happen in the near future, and affect us all!

[Hot Karl]

holy shit we got another nutbag on RS.

are you a new nutbag or a reincarnation?

[MuranoGO-15]

holy shit we got another nutbag on RS.

are you a new nutbag or a reincarnation?

No not at all. Just an ordinary person posting their personal comments on revscene just like everybody else, except I obviously hit a pyscho nerve with you!

[Adorkami]

When I was a kid i remember getting wooden spoon/belt/open hand when i did something stupid. My best friend who got timeouts when I was a kid ended up stealing cars, getting hooked to coke and getting kicked out of school by the 8th grade. We had our differences but I believe if it wasn't for my parents being strict I probably would have followed his path.

[pinn3r]

my old man used to beat me and traumatize me so hard that i developed anxiety disorders, but i turned out just fine. i'd probably be a different person if i hadn't gone through that

my 12 year-old sister was babied and grew up in drastically different conditions. she's begun exhibiting signs of a spoiled little shit, but i keep her in line (not with physical force, lol)

as ulic so candidly put it... generation of pussies. generation of pussies and self-entitled turds

[Zedbra]

And the generation of pussification has begun. I believe in spanking - not 'beating' as some describe here. I have spanked my children, too. Each time, I gave them a choice to correct behaviour or face a spanking. After about 5 different occasions of spanking , the behaviour never happened again (it usually involved hitting someone else, or each other). Overall, it can be a useful and successful learning tool

[inv4zn]

I think most would agree that "spanking" is beneficial; "beatings" aren't.

There's no real dictionary term for either, so it's very subjective. It's the parents that can't control their emotions and mercilessly beat their kids and traumatize them that are the issue.

*edit: just thought I'd add: I'm asian, and my parents beat me with various household objects (they sure as hell weren't spankings.) I remember coming home from school on day in grade 5 or so and both my parents were waiting there for me with some stick because they said "I'd been acting out of line lately" - 15 odd years later I still don't fucking know the actual reason; Was I traumatized in the long-run? Probably not, but I still as hell still remember it, and they were definitely not in control of themselves at that time.

[MarkyMark]

Whatever, these days taking away a kids phone or iPad is far more traumatizing to them than slapping them on the ass.

[6o4__boi]

i got spanked and beat as a child
looking back now, they were fair.
i got beat a few times but they were because of really stupid things where spanking wouldn't have sufficed..if my kid pulled the same shit i did when i got beat, i'd probably beat some sense into em too

i got spanked for minor things, never intense, but they always served as a good reminder

all the fucked up people i know now had really lenient parents who "grounded" them haha

[Spoon]

http://franklio.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/3/2/10327760/1108492_orig.jpg

every asian family had one of these thing, and the description on the pic is completely accurate
parents would swing this shit hard enough to make a swooshing wing noise... fuck...

You must be one helluva delinquent if there's a grip mark on it. :lol

[J____]

I personally feel that if these laws keep up, we going to have a new generation of lots of gays and trans-gender kids in society from our own blood and those who aren't fond of those things. We are being too 'soft' now, where anything goes! Having morals and religious beliefs has to stand for something, even God used violence in the bible to prove his point & keep things right, to get his will accomplished. In other religions if you don't believe in the bible, its the same thing too. Can't see how 'talking' to anybody gets anything accomplished, even countries as a whole and nation don't use 'talk' as a mean of accomplishing anything! Why don't we just "talk" to ISIS then perhaps this will all end? NOT!

to be fair, being gay and transgender doesn't mean they are soft or pussies by any means.

[J____]

talking does nothing in terms of discipline to someone who is irrational. Kids are not rational like adults. They can't determine what is right or wrong by talking to them, you need some sort of hurt to tell them what they are doing brings bad things. A scolding does nothing to a kid.

[fliptuner]

50% agree. You can't necessarily rationalize with a small child on the same level as an adult but scolding and punishments have an emotional effect that stick with them, just as spankings do. Its just that with spankings, there's a physical punishment that reinforces the emotional one.

[Spoon]

talking does nothing in terms of discipline to someone who is irrational. Kids are not rational like adults. They can't determine what is right or wrong by talking to them, you need some sort of hurt to tell them what they are doing brings bad things. A scolding does nothing to a kid.

I'm guessing you've never been a parent if physical pain's the only way that you think can get through to your child. :speechless:

[GLOW]

my wife doesn't understand the need for spankings nor could i help her understand...so i just showed her this clip from kingdom of heaven...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zF6xmsrAVk

so they remember it... :troll:

[Zedbra]

my wife doesn't understand the need for spankings nor could i help her understand...so i just showed her this clip from kingdom of heaven...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zF6xmsrAVk

so they remember it... :troll:

^ look up "boxing in your ears", that's where this originates. More or less, when someone was knighted, the King/Lord would smash the new knight on both ears, usually wearing gauntlets, as this would be the last strike the knight would ever take without fighting to the death for their King/Lord.

[Timpo]

Spanking law protects parents, teachers but not kids, profs say
Corporal punishment keeps kids from learning how to solve problems without violence, prof says

By Laura Fraser, CBC News Posted: Dec 24, 2015 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Dec 24, 2015 5:00 AM ET

Spanking law protects parents, teachers but not kids, profs say - Canada - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/spanking-law-parents-1.3379046)

http://i.cbc.ca/1.1133574.1450799897!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/spanking.jpg
The Liberal government could Canada's 123-year-old spanking law.

The possibility that the federal Liberals could strike down Canada's so-called "spanking law" came as joyful news to the woman who has spent more than two decades trying to dissolve the 123-year-old legislation.

"I was over the moon when I heard about this," Ailsa Watkinson told CBC News "There's so much more evidence now to show the harm from childhood physical punishment."

And she knows the effect of it herself. Both she and her twin brother received "a brutal strapping" that the social work professor has never forgotten.

So in 1995, the University of Regina professor used her masters thesis to launch a charter challenge of Section 43 of the Criminal Code.

Court challenge

Six of the nine Supreme Court of Canada judges voted to uphold the law when the case reached them in 2004.

But the ruling narrowed the scope of when parents can use "force by way of correction," laying out exactly what that punishment could look like. It also legally took away teachers' ability to use physical force, except to keep a student from harming themselves or someone else.

As the law stands now, parents cannot strike children with the intent to harm them, nor can they spank a child younger than two or older than 12.

Infants and toddlers could be physically hurt and likely would not see the connection between their actions and the spanking, while striking teenagers "can induce aggressive or antisocial behaviour," the 2004 Supreme Court of Canada ruling reads.

The judges also ruled that parents could not hit children with belts, rulers or other objects, nor slap them anywhere on the head.

Truth and Reconciliation Commission

Watkinson had renewed hoped that law would soon be struck down, after watching public and legal opinion change on physician-assisted suicide — and thanks to the recommendation of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was adopted by the Liberal government..

It's unclear whether the law will be struck down or whether Ottawa plans to amend it.

"At this point, we cannot speculate on potential legislative or policy approaches to address this issue," Department of Justice spokesman Ian McLeod said in an email.

Watkinson said there's no need to replace the law, because other sections of the Criminal Code protect adults who step in to keep a children from harming themselves or someone else. There's also the de minimis legal principle, which gives prosecutors the discretion not to proceed with charges in insignificant matters.

There's also mounting evidence to indicate that even mild forms of physical punishment — a slap or a light spanking — can have long-term effects on a child's emotional health and development, community health professor Joan Durrant said.

"Nobody is saying that if you're spanked, you're going to be violent," Durrant said. "But what it does mean is that the more often you're spanked the fewer opportunities you have to learn a way of dealing with conflict that doesn't involve aggression," she said.

"The more times a child is hit, the stronger that relationship becomes."

Nearly 50 countries have reflected that by abolishing physical punishment; Canadian law needs to do the same, clinical psychologists say.

Numerous studies have found that children will then try to solve their own problems by using violence throughout their lives, whether that's fighting with siblings, bullying or having a tendancy to an increased chance of intimate violence, the University of Manitoba professor said.

Much of Durrant's research has focused on Sweden, which prohibited corporal punishment in 1979. She would like to see Canada follow that example — not simply to repeal the law, but to prohibit any sort of physical reprimand.

Protection for teachers

Teachers also fall under the protection of the spanking law, although they are not allowed to punish a child in any physical way, according to the 2004 Supreme Court ruling.

They can, however, step in if a child might hurt themselves, a teacher or a student.

And the president of the Canadian Teachers Federation said it's essential that any changes to Section 43 would include those same protections for education workers.

Without that, a teacher could theoretically face criminal charges for restraining a child who tries to run across the road or tries to strike another student, Heather Smith.

"We don't endorse corporal punishment, whatsoever," she said. "It's just physical intervention — and teachers use every tool in their toolbox before intervening physically."

[MG1]

If a parent has to resort to constant beatings or severe beating of their child, somewhere along the line things went bad and it's usually the parents' inability to be a good parent. Kids do understand after a certain age - very young kids, however, need a swift spank. After a certain age, you've lost control if you still have to resort to hitting them. If they are taught right from wrong early on and it's reinforced, there should be no issues later on.

wAnder why we have so many messed up, violent people? Abuse. And, it's easy for people in authority to abuse others. When schools allowed corporal punishment, some principals enjoyed making kids cry. You could see it in their eyes as they strapped kids.

It's easy for us to say, yeah, I was beat when I was a kid, but I deserved it. And, look how I turned out (a joke can be inserted here). I've heard women who are abused say that, too. He really loves me, it was my fault, I deserved it............... really?

I remember one instance when I was about to smack my kid (in the act of........ scarier than the actual hit) one of my kids yelled out, "People are not for hitting!" I replied with, "Yeah, if you start behaving like one!" That sunk in a bit. Thankfully, my child had some common sense and comprehended that one.

Kids learn from others. By this I mean their friends. If your kid hangs out with troubled kids, yours will most likely turn out to be just like them. My wife and I always worried about the kind of friends my children hung out with. Funny thing was, most of them were great kids. They say birds of a feather stick together. One of my eldest son's friend who came over almost every day, broke stuff on this huge-ass playground I built for the kids. Kid did it on purpose and the damage was more than a few broken pieces. Without me saying or doing anything, my son stopped inviting him over. We learned later on that the parents of the kid were going through a nasty divorce.

Invest in your kids. Parenting is not easy. It's not like changing oil or fixing your car.

Anyway...................... my days of parenting are long over. Now they get to look after me, LOL.


EDIT: One way or another, let them know you love them and care. No hugs necessary (Asian fathers take note).

[underscore]

The problem is a lot of people are lazy fucks who take the easy way out. It's a lot easier to just smack the kid without bothering to explain to them why they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. Obviously there are some kids that are little hellions that it won't get through to and may need a little smack to stop misbehaving, but if that's your first response then I'm sorry but you're just fucking lazy.

talking does nothing in terms of discipline to someone who is irrational. Kids are not rational like adults. They can't determine what is right or wrong by talking to them, you need some sort of hurt to tell them what they are doing brings bad things. A scolding does nothing to a kid.

Kids are a lot smarter than you seem to think they are.

[melloman]

The government is trying to police how you raise your kids these days, and personally I think that is WRONG.

I can agree that this is a good step to condone parents that beat their child, but there is a time that talking to kids does not work. Kids will learn how to manipulate their parents and this turns into: useless parents and shitty spoiled brats.

If this wasn't bad enough, they are trying to tell parents that you can't leave a kid at home before they reach a certain age (IIRC it was 10 or 12). Yet if you bring your kid up right, they should be able to take care of themselves OR have the knowledge instilled in them on what to do if something happens. (Call parents/neighbour/etc)

Society here is getting ridiculous, and it's turning into a shitshow to the point where I don't want kids. Only for the fact that I cannot do so many things to bring them up right. I'm not negotiating with a 3 year old because he drew all over the fucking walls, the kids going to get a spanking because he's not going to get the point of the punishment otherwise.

[quasi]

MG1 said it best, be involved with your kids and know who they are hanging around. I had an issue in the summer with my child starting to hang around with some kids with no boundaries. 9 year old kids who were able to travel 4 km's away to a skate park with no supervision, stay out until 11 at night, 9 years old? Not getting up until 1:00 in the afternoon and these kids would also hang around other kids 3 or 5 years older then them. Fuck that noise, I explained to my son that he didn't need to hang around with these kids that there were so many other kids he could hang with that were more like him into sports and doing things he enjoys.

I'm not saying these kids he was hanging around with were necessarily bad kids at least not yet but I don't want my kid hanging around other kids with no boundaries and shitty parents. He no longer hangs around them which is great, I keep him involved in so many sports he really doesn't have time for much else besides school and sports. This time of year is actually the worst because between Nov-Jan he's in between sports.

You don't need to hit your kids to discipline them, I have smacked my son one time that I remember and he remembers it as well. Other then that my stern voice is enough to get him to fall into line if he steps out of it.

[Tone Loc]

There's a difference between "spanking" and "beating". And I feel like a lot of you guys are combining the two, very different, forms of physical discipline. I personally see "spanking" as a slap to the rear end when a kid is acting up. And "beating" as using fists, tools (feather duster, slippers, belt, etc.) in a way that would likely hurt a normal adult.

My dad used to beat me when I was younger, would I ever do that to my own kids in the future? Hell no. My dad used to beat me for relatively small things, or when he got super upset with me and couldn't express himself with words. And honestly, I don't think I really learned anything, just learned how to hide my fuck-ups better the next time around. And to lie to my dad, fear him, and generally let him know nothing about what was going on in my life. Basically led to me giving him one-word answers for the majority of my high-school life. Obviously, things are different now that we are both adults, but the way he "disciplined" me (going straight to yelling and beating) has taught me a lot about how I will (not) treat my kid in the future.

Personally, I would spank my kid if they ever did anything really stupid and talking/reasoning with them didn't work out. Hard to make general rules about how to treat kids, some kids are straight up little angels and some are little hellbeasts who really do need a spanking from time to time in order for them to actually smarten up.

IMO the government shouldn't dictate how parents should parent, kinda a slippery slope already. What next, you can't scold kids or yell at them when they screw up? Anyone can argue that emotional/psychological "abuse" is just as bad as physical "abuse". There are already enough parents out there who are so afraid to discipline their kids that they turn into spoiled little shits with zero respect for anyone..

[Gumby]

Man, I just spanked my 1.67 yr old after reading this thread for using his nails to scrape my leather seats. Does not feel good at all... :okay:

[jasonturbo]

I feel like physical force is actually less traumatic than any form of mental punishment. (Assuming the parent isn't just outright "beating" their child)

After they outlaw physical force, parents will resort to more mental punishment, the use of which will probably result in a brand new list of social issues (IE: Sit in corner looking at the wall, seclusion, etc). Fast forward a generation and the use of mental punishment will also be under severe scrutiny. I would imagine the end result will be a very limited and non effective method of "gov approved discipline"

Mehh, that's how I see it anyway.

Best method of "punishment" IMO is to simply force your kids to do something they don't want to do in lieu of something they do want to do.

IE: They want to watch TV, nope you have to pull weeds, wash dishes, etc. Even if they do a shitty job and you have to do it again after, they still associate the bad behaviour to an experience they don't want to repeat.

Mind you I don't have any kids, but I do have a sweet ITR, so I feel like that gives me the right to an opinion.

[H.Specter]

back in the days, bullets and war hurt. now in 2015, words hurt.

the weak will inherit the earth, pls stop.

[Tone Loc]

back in the days, bullets and war hurt. now in 2015, words hurt.

the weak will inherit the earth, pls stop.

Nobody ever fought in a war thinking, "sweet, I'm a real man now! I hope my kids will one day do the same thing so they can be tough too".

As someone who has veterans in his family, I am sure that every single one of those men and women went to war hoping that their children, past, present, or future, would never have to do the same.

[Nlkko]

Little slap around as a negative reinforcement is ok. Government is in no place to legislate this and I doubt it would ever pass as law. The TRC should knows better.

[Manic!]

Little slap around as a negative reinforcement is ok. Government is in no place to legislate this and I doubt it would ever pass as law. The TRC should knows better.

Every time I have a idiot customer I am going to slap them and see how that works. Like the old lady that spends 40 to 70 bux a day on lotto. Including today.

[Happy]

Nobody ever fought in a war thinking, "sweet, I'm a real man now! I hope my kids will one day do the same thing so they can be tough too".

As someone who has veterans in his family, I am sure that every single one of those men and women went to war hoping that their children, past, present, or future, would never have to do the same.


I don't think he was referring more towards the war part but actually the generation of kids having a fucked up mentality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0

Remember the yale thing that happened? This chick named Jerelyn wanted halloween costumes to be censored. The professor and his wife didn't want to because they believe in free speech / they also believe one person shouldn't decide what offends things for everyone else. So the Professor and Jerelyn have a debate/yelling match in the video. Apparently since certain halloween costumes offended her, she didn't care about anyone elses opinion besides her own.

Kids these days are going up to be so entitled, their feelings get hurt when faced with a logical argument. It's pretty fucked up. I was cringing really hard

[bcrdukes]

Kids these days are a bunch of crybullies who could use a beating and a slap across the face.

If ts14's parents beat him as a child, he would not have dun goofed. :troll: (Half-serious)

[Nlkko]

Chick needs to get laid.

[Tone Loc]

Kids these days are going up to be so entitled, their feelings get hurt when faced with a logical argument. It's pretty fucked up. I was cringing really hard

Off-topic, but I believe you're 100% correct... I can't stand so many people in "my generation" because they walk around thinking they they have some kind of right to not be offended. On top of that, they get offended over EVERYTHING. News flash, certain people are going to do things that you may not like. Ignore them and be on your way. Can't stand when people get so bent out of shape over something so minor try to enforce their closed-minded beliefs on everyone else because they were "offended". Pretty soon, we're going to have a society of drones who are too afraid to say/do anything because they don't want to offend anyone...

[underscore]

If you guys think "kids these days" or "my generation" are any different from every other generation that came before and every other generation that will come after you're delusional. It's easier to see them now that every idiot has their face on YouTube but I'm pretty confident there were just as many whiny knobs back in the day ass there are now.

[miss_crayon]

All I know is, to this day my heart races when I hear my parents give me "that" tone when they're not pleased. Not because I'm traumatized of any "disciplining" but because I'm worried I'm going to disappoint them. I think that's what kids need, a certain amount of fear of "am I fucking up??" and not wanting to get mom+dad mad at them. So majority of the time I really have to think things through before acting on it.

My brother and I always joke that's the kind of power we want in the future. Don't get me wrong, my parents are the most loving and supportive, but I definitely feel we learned early on to think what is right and wrong.

[corollagtSr5]

Video: Tough Love Or Too Much? 25-Year-Old Beats On His 17-Year-Old Cousin's Rib Cage Till He Cries For Stealing A PS3 & Acting Hard About It On Facebook! (http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php?v=wshh5V4In7P594U3pR1L)

Description:
"This boy stole a playstation 3 and his bigger cousin took it to show him what it's like to have something taken from you.. Then he went on facebook saying he was gonna beat his bigger cousin up for his stolen PS3 back" - D-Will

http://hw-mobile.worldstarhiphop.com/u/vid/2011/10/11/judgebstdyhedgbgygtref45gfrefdcrerf_mobile.mp4

Description:
"2004: Aransas County Court-At-Law Judge William Adams took a belt to his own teenage daughter as punishment for using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time. She has had ataxic cerebral palsy from birth that led her to a passion for technology, which was strictly forbidden by her father's backwards views. The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video. The judge's wife has since left the marriage due to the abuse, which continues to this day, and has sincerely apologized and repented for her part and for allowing such a thing, long before this video was even revealed to exist. Judge William Adams is not fit to be anywhere near the law system if he can't even exercise fit judgement as a parent himself. Do not allow this man to ever be re- elected again. His "judgement" is a giant farce. Signed, Hillary Adams, his daughter."

[Timpo]

so here's an example of child abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmFsS4EcIQI

[mr_chin]

If they outlaw spanking and beating in any form, parents will resort to other disciplining methods. Probably lock them in a cage or restrained them with a rope, would that be better? IMO, spanking is fine, like in a way to get their attention if they're not listening to you. Just don't do it like it's a routine every time the kid makes a mistake.

I think in today's generation, parents spoil their kids more than parents back in my generation. I see 3 to 6 years old kids with tablets at restaurants. Kids around 10 already have playstations and xbox or a computer for them to go online to further corrupt their mind. Then when they refuse to study or go to school, the parents throws the blame back on the kids rather than themselves for spoiling them.

Bottom line is, if you want to discipline a child, don't buy them a ton of toys and then when they misbehave, then take it away from them. Rather, when they behave for a period of time or do well in a certain activity, you reward them with something. I don't have kids, but if I do, this is the method I would use to teach them on how to be good.

[ae101]

as i chinese i can tell u, no pain no gain

im 27 and the reason why i don't feel like having kids is cuz i grew up all full of shit and i don't want to have a kid that ended just like me

reason my dad would slap my face is becuz nothing really sync in and i never really changed

taking away my things didn't really work and i barely had social life outside if school

just no other choice besides pain to learn my lesson and even that was hard for my dad too, as that still didnt get through my head

most of them were all skool related (my dad really hate mit when i can amuse myself with nothing at all)

[asian_XL]

Every time i see my sister in law says "go to your room now, you are grounded", "no ipad for you for the rest of today, you are being a naughty boy" to her son, me and wife laughed so hard. He never learns and continues.

[quasi]

If they outlaw spanking and beating in any form, parents will resort to other disciplining methods. Probably lock them in a cage or restrained them with a rope, would that be better? IMO, spanking is fine, like in a way to get their attention if they're not listening to you. Just don't do it like it's a routine every time the kid makes a mistake.

I think in today's generation, parents spoil their kids more than parents back in my generation. I see 3 to 6 years old kids with tablets at restaurants. Kids around 10 already have playstations and xbox or a computer for them to go online to further corrupt their mind. Then when they refuse to study or go to school, the parents throws the blame back on the kids rather than themselves for spoiling them.

Bottom line is, if you want to discipline a child, don't buy them a ton of toys and then when they misbehave, then take it away from them. Rather, when they behave for a period of time or do well in a certain activity, you reward them with something. I don't have kids, but if I do, this is the method I would use to teach them on how to be good.

LOL, I'm pretty sure both of those forms of discipline were outlawed long before spanking. That's some sound reasoning though, I can't spank my kid I'm going to burn him with a cigarette or waterboard him then.......... :troll:

[fliptuner]

OMFG?!?!? As punishment, you would give them water!??!?! That's crazy talk!!!!!

[GLOW]

flip would punish his kids by making them listen to selena gomez :troll: