[parm104]

Just a little before Christmas, I was browsing through Craigslist trying to find a Macbook Air to gift. I met up with a gentleman who had advertised a 10/10 2013 Macbook Air with Apple Care for a reasonable price.

Upon meeting him in Coquitlam, I had inspected the laptop and everything visually looked fine as did the external condition. I tested all the keys and examined the battery specs. Lastly, I confirmed the serial number to ensure that it did indeed have valid Apple Care on the device.

After purchasing it, I happened to be going to a shopping mall that had an Apple Store in it so I went in to have the computer inspected for an issues. I was quickly told that the computer's warranty had been deemed invalid due to liquid damage. Obviously a shock to me, I inquired more about the liquid damage accusation/claim the Apple Store was trying to pin on me. We quickly realized that the original owner had come in just a week or so before and had dropped the computer off as it was completely malfunctioning. Apple deemed it to be damaged by liquid and quoted him nearly $1100 to fix/replace the hard drive, logic board, etc.

I called the seller back and he tried to lie about it for a bit and seemed to be pretty agitated. First he told me that Apple was making a mistake in saying there was liquid damage. Then he told me the previous owner may have damaged it despite assuring me he was the one and only owner. Eventually when I reminded him about the little make-shift document I drafted up and had him sign, he got a little scared. I guess he didn't realize that the document he signed only stated that he transferred ownership to me of the laptop and not that he provided me with any stated or implied warranty of terms. He admitted to spilling water on the laptop and knowingly selling me a water-damaged laptop. He offered to refund my money which he did and I returned the product to him.

There's nothing wrong with selling a computer that has had water spilt on it, so long as the buyer is aware that he is buying a computer that has an invalidated warranty due to the spill and that he/she isn't expecting that they are purchasing a valid Apple Care warranty along with the laptop.

The next day he went back on to Craigslist trying to sell the SAME laptop with the SAME 10/10 description. I made a Craigslist post warning other buyers of his scamming ways and he immediately called me and was furious that I would do such a thing. The guy who was trying to scam other people during the holidays was repeatedly telling me how I was scum and a bottom-feeder lol.

I got lucky, the next buyer might not. So here we are:

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Buyers Beware, there is a seller from Coquitlam trying to sell a MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid 2013)
with Apple Care and advertises it as a mint condition computer.

Keep an eye out for Macbook Air with Serial Number: C02L31LEFLCG.
Comes with AppleCare Protection Plan; Expiration Date: July 29, 2016.

Seller's real name is Chris Hamon but uses an alias when you meet him.
Seller's phone number is: 778-872-6759.

Originally selling in Coquitlam but has now moved on to posting in Vancouver.

Best way to avoid being scammed by this guy is checking the serial number for any 2013 Macbook Air 13" that you are about to buy!

[cdizzle_996]

I just owned him for you ����

[Razor Ramon HG]

Glad things worked out for you, but if I was buying any Apple product, I'd probably meet at an Apple store to verify the serial code of the product.

[parm104]

Glad things worked out for you, but if I was buying any Apple product, I'd probably meet at an Apple store to verify the serial code of the product.

At that point, unless I had asked for repair history, I would've gotten the same information @ apple as I would've when I searched the serial online for confirmation. I did however make the next transaction @ an Apple Store and was helped by the staff to ensure I wasn't getting hustled.

[jeedee]

wow I'm surprised he actually answered your call AND refunded you your money

most scammers would've done the opposite lol

[iHeat]

is someone going to call his dean?

[parm104]

wow I'm surprised he actually answered your call AND refunded you your money

most scammers would've done the opposite lol

I'm 99% certain it wouldn't have ended up in my favour had he not already known that I am an attorney and had he not assumed that the document he signed was a legal contract warranting the condition of the computer and guaranteeing a valid Apple Care.

You should've seen this contract though lol. It was the biggest playschool stuff I could come up with. HAND written on the back of an invoice from the tile store lol.

[rriggi]

Attorney buying 2013 macbook air off clist to gift?....

[ImportPsycho]

did you even turn on the laptop at the meet? or it was working fine even with all that liquid damage?

[AzNightmare]

I'm 99% certain it wouldn't have ended up in my favour had he not already known that I am an attorney and had he not assumed that the document he signed was a legal contract warranting the condition of the computer and guaranteeing a valid Apple Care.

You should've seen this contract though lol. It was the biggest playschool stuff I could come up with. HAND written on the back of an invoice from the tile store lol.

What kind of info did you get from him in that document? I assumed more than just a signature?

[murd0c]

Talk about lucky he gave you your money back, I've heard so many stories of people getting scammed and never hearing from them again.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Glad things worked out for you, but if I was buying any Apple product, I'd probably meet at an Apple store to verify the serial code of the product.

+1 meeting at apple store at least they would able to tell you the warrantly status of the products.

[jeedee]

What kind of info did you get from him in that document? I assumed more than just a signature?

Also curious what were the "contract details" parm :lol

[jinxcrusader]

Pics of this "contract"

[BrRsn]

motherfuck dre
motherfuck snoop
motherfuck DEATH ROW

[cdizzle_996]

I wonder how many calls he got regarding his ad in the M4M section before it was flagged BrokeBack

[SpeedStars]

TIL never try to scam a lawyer :badpokerface:. Good thing you had it checked up upon early after your purchase + apple kept a history with the other guy, otherwise you wouldve been SOL

[bluejays]

Number is no longer in service, looks like he changed it

[El Bastardo]

Eventually when I reminded him about the little make-shift document I drafted up and had him sign, he got a little scared. I guess he didn't realize that the document he signed only stated that he transferred ownership to me of the laptop and not that he provided me with any stated or implied warranty of terms. He admitted to spilling water on the laptop and knowingly selling me a water-damaged laptop. He offered to refund my money which he did and I returned the product to him.

This is great. Any suggestions for some boilerplate RS'ers could use to protect themselves in the future?

[smoothie.]

inb4 contract signed was in crayon

[knight604]

I made a Craigslist post warning other buyers of his scamming ways and he immediately called me and was furious that I would do such a thing. The guy who was trying to scam other people during the holidays was repeatedly telling me how I was scum and a bottom-feeder lol.

I got lucky, the next buyer might not. So here we are:




This guy has some fucking nerve , holy shit.

[parm104]

did you even turn on the laptop at the meet? or it was working fine even with all that liquid damage?

Yea, it says in my original post I checked out the battery stats (by going into the computers configuration menus) and tested each and every key to make sure it didn't miss any keystrokes.


This guy has some fucking nerve , holy shit.

The last time he phoned me crying about the craigslist ad I made online, I hung up on him, 3-way'd a friend and had him record the remainder of the conversation. He proceeded to tell me how he wasn't going to be able to sell his laptop now and he might as well "throw it in the ocean." He wasn't too happy when I told him not to throw the laptop in the ocean but to instead gift it to me lol.

I should add that I also got an EXTRA $50 out of him. Told him I would go to the police and report him for fraud and that he owes me for my opportunity cost. I literally profited that night (even though I had to drive out to Coquitlam).

Attorney buying 2013 macbook air off clist to gift?....

As for the smart comment about why an attorney is buying a 2013 Macbook Air on Craigslist...Your comment is somewhat rude and based on assumptions. Just because I work in the legal field doesn't mean I'm rich. If I am rich, doesn't mean I would spend my money frivolously. And I'm gifting a $1500 computer for Christmas within my family. I'm being a smart shopper. Regardless of my occupation or my personal wealth, I will 9/10 look on RevScene and Craigslist to find the best possible deal. Having wealth isn't about how much you make it's about how much you end up keeping in your pocket.

I will check my Whatsapp groups to see if I still have the photo of this K in there still lol. When I made the initial K, I was more concerned with him saying the laptop got stolen after I purchased it and having the warranty become voided. So the K stated that he was transferring ownership of the laptop (with the serial number and physical description) of it), on what date, and that it included a warranty (Apple Care) until X date. Had him sign it and I signed it.

[xXSupa]

Attorney buying 2013 macbook air off clist to gift?....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1imZi9F1p6g

[vitaminG]

Yea, it says in my original post I checked out the battery stats (by going into the computers configuration menus) and tested each and every key to make sure it didn't miss any keystrokes.

so it was working fine despite needing

$1100 to fix/replace the hard drive, logic board, etc.

wouldnt such an issue be evident when you turned on the computer and tried to use it? im not a computer or legal expert im just curious

[parm104]

so it was working fine despite needing



wouldnt such an issue be evident when you turned on the computer and tried to use it? im not a computer or legal expert im just curious

Clearly in this case it wasn't evident. The computer was working fine as I inspected. Perhaps long-term usage, the device may have show signs of defects but in the half hour I spent inspecting the device and going through everything, it was perfectly fine.

If the computer is dried out properly, it's possible for it to still work. Doesn't mean it doesn't have liquid damage anymore. It works but it's still deemed to be a liquid damaged device as it will indicate from the inside through visual inspection.

[PeanutButter]

When you buy a used product, is there any legal recourse once you buy it? Isn't it sold, "As is".

Or is it because you had a contract?

Would that contract hold up in a court of law

(I'm just curious)

[parm104]

When you buy a used product, is there any legal recourse once you buy it? Isn't it sold, "As is".

Or is it because you had a contract?

Would that contract hold up in a court of law

(I'm just curious)

It's sold as-is if it's declared as-is. If I make declarations on my advertisement on Craigslist stating that the computer is in "perfect working condition", "10/10," "full remaining Apple Care in effect," then I am implying additional conditions and promises to the deal. A deal which is officially a contract regardless of whether it's oral or written.

It's not because of the nature of Craigslist but it's because of the nature of the goods being sold and bought that determines what level of recourse you may or may not have. Generally, used goods won't have an implied warranty unless otherwise stated. It also makes a difference that the seller KNEW the product was defective/damaged BEFORE selling it to me.

[hirevtuner]

looks like your guy is still putting his ad up

Macbook Air 2013 4gb i5 Mint condition, 10/10 (http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/sys/5386204252.html)

[twitchyzero]

not even half a week into 2016 and we already have a new scammer thread going

http://giant.gfycat.com/NauticalNiftyGibbon.gif

but yes i'm glad he's refunded your money. I'd like to learn more about the legalities of selling thing secondhand...i thought it was fully on the buyer to make sure the item checks out...is there a difference between lying as a seller when you're asked if something is wrong vs no full disclosure if the buyer doesn't do his/her due diligence?

[ImportPsycho]

he's going to keep trying until he finds someone who doesn't bother checking the warranty lol

[Eff-1]

used goods are sold as is in most cases, unless explicitly stated the buyer is providing some kind of warranty on the sale.

the important part is a sale can be considered fraudulent if the seller KNOWINGLY deceives the buyer. in that case, the buyer could potentially have recourse in small claims court to claim damages. but you have to prove the seller knew what he/she was stating is false.

ad example a: Car for sale, 100,000 kms, good condition, all maintenance records, $5000.

buyer buys the car. car breaks down a few days later. sale was as is. such is life. the seller didn't know the car was about to break down. just bad luck.

ad example b: Car for sale, well maintained, no accidents, $5000.

buyer buys the car. finds out later the car had major body work after an accident. buyer can potentially go after the seller in small claims for misrepresentation.

i'm not a lawyer, but that's the basic principle as far as I'm aware.

but in any case, you need proof. the apple records of the seller already bringing the computer for repairs were the key for the OP.

my $0.02 is don't ever buy on CL unless you're willing to accept there's a small chance you may be scammed. want a warranty? always buy retail. that's just my opinion. CL is not worth the hassle of dealing with lowball offers, meeting up with no shows, then find out you got scammed, just to save a couple hundred bucks? no thank you! just save more money and buy it new.

[twitchyzero]

unless it's 1-owner car in that example the seller can just claim it was under a previous owner and that they didn't know.

[ilovebacon]

not even half a week into 2016 and we already have a new scammer thread going

http://giant.gfycat.com/NauticalNiftyGibbon.gif

but yes i'm glad he's refunded your money. I'd like to learn more about the legalities of selling thing secondhand...i thought it was fully on the buyer to make sure the item checks out...is there a difference between lying as a seller when you're asked if something is wrong vs no full disclosure if the buyer doesn't do his/her due diligence?

im interested in what happened to that guy falling into that hole

[Jmac]

im interested in what happened to that guy falling into that hole
Looks like it wasn't a very high drop into water, so probably fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUtAFCeafM

[Stormspirit]

I was selling my old iphone 5s on CL during the holidays, i met the guy at wind mobile, they put in the sim card and made a call to another phone. It rang and he paid me the money and i left.

The next day , he calls me and said the hearing piece is quiet and the mic is not working. Then i remembered that i had the same problem. I didnt state this problem on my CL post. I agreed to refund his money. We met up a couple hours later and i didnt take a detail look at the phone when we were meeting up and he was eager to leave.

Then i made a post at half the price i asked for previously with the headset problem. Got a buyer rather quickly , then when I turned on the iphone , i found out the home button no longer responds which i remembered he mentioed apple
Took it apart and they must have screwed it up. Now im stuck with a more broken than ever iphone. I called the buyer who was skytraining down already. I told him not to buy the phone cuz the home buttons were broken too now. He insisted on taking a look at it. He was some dude who wanted to buy for his soldier brother in israel =S . After he took a look at the phone in detail, He said he will take it if he gets another $40 off. At that point i hated seeing the phone and i just got what i could and left with saying no refunds. Thanks.

[Sunfighter]

Clearly in this case it wasn't evident. The computer was working fine as I inspected. Perhaps long-term usage, the device may have show signs of defects but in the half hour I spent inspecting the device and going through everything, it was perfectly fine.

If the computer is dried out properly, it's possible for it to still work. Doesn't mean it doesn't have liquid damage anymore. It works but it's still deemed to be a liquid damaged device as it will indicate from the inside through visual inspection.

In my experience liquid damage to a laptop doesn't always have immediate effects... often times the user will wipe away the water and continue to use it for weeks/months. Naturally, they don't disassemble the unit to dry off the internal components and thus corrosion begins slowly and only weeks/months later does the unit begin to fail. Then all of a sudden the owner is surprised and defensive when informed that their unit has suffered liquid damage.

In this case, I'm assuming Apple performed a partial teardown, immediately recognized that certain components were beginning to corrode or that litmus paper was triggered and handed the unit back to the customer with their accurate diagnosis.

I'm very happy that the OP was able to a) get his money back and b) prevent this individual from clearly committing fraud and (financially) harming another human being in an effort to rid himself of this future brick.

[Vansterdam]

reminds me of the time buddy broke/dropped the bong onto another buddys macbook by accident lol

keyboard was fucked but everything else still worked