[StylinRed]

So North Korea tested a bomb yesterday, which they claim is an H-Bomb

The detonation rated a 5.1 quake, which is the same as their previous nuclear tests

Now, many countries are in doubt it was a Hydrogen bomb, but countries are still looking into it, but if it turns out to be true, that's a significant leap in tech and damage power that North Korea has been able to put together :crazy2:

North Korea nuclear H-bomb claims met by scepticism - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35241686)

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DCE6/production/_87505565_nkoreamap.png

International scepticism and condemnation have greeted North Korea's claim to have successfully carried out an underground hydrogen bomb test.

If confirmed, it would be North Korea's fourth nuclear test since 2006 and mark a major upgrade in its capabilities.

But nuclear experts have questioned whether the size of the blast was large enough to have been from an H-bomb.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemned the test "unequivocally", calling it "profoundly destabilising for regional security".

The UN Security Council is now holding an emergency meeting.


How the world has reacted


South Korea called the test a "grave provocation" but said it was difficult to believe it was an H-bomb.

Hydrogen bombs are more powerful and technologically advanced than atomic weapons, using fusion - the merging of atoms - to unleash massive amounts of energy.

Atomic bombs, like the kind that devastated two Japanese cities in World War Two, use fission, or the splitting of atoms.

Bruce Bennett, an analyst with the Rand Corporation, was among those casting doubts on Pyongyang's test: "The bang they should have gotten would have been 10 times greater than what they're claiming.

"So Kim Jong-un is either lying, saying they did a hydrogen test when they didn't, they just used a little bit more efficient fission weapon - or the hydrogen part of the test really didn't work very well or the fission part didn't work very well."

The data "doesn't support suggestions that the bomb was a hydrogen bomb", Chinese military expert Du Wenlong told state broadcaster CCTV.

A South Korean politician, Lee Cheol-woo, said he was briefed by the country's intelligence agency that the blast "probably falls short" of a hydrogen detonation.

But former British ambassador in Pyongyang John Everard warned "an explosion of that size is quite enough to wipe out a city and I think that, of course, is deeply worrying".

South Korean President Park Geun-hye, said further analysis was needed to determine the nature of the test, while calling it "a strong challenge to international peace and stability".


In other reaction:

China, North Korea's main ally, said it "firmly opposes" the test

Japan called it a "major threat" to its national security

The US and South Korea agreed that "North Korea's provocations should have consequences"

Russia warned the action could amount to "a severe violation of international law", calling for the resumption of talks

The EU urged North Korea "cease this illegal and dangerous behaviour''

Nato said North Korea should abandon nuclear weapons


Heading into the UN meeting, Mr Ban said the test was "deeply troubling and "a grave contravention of international norms".

The UK ambassador to the UN, Matthew Rycroft, said: "We will be working with others on a resolution on further sanctions."

The rhetoric from the North Korean media was spectacular, announcing the country had carried out a "world startling event" - the underground test of a hydrogen bomb.

"People of the DPRK are making a giant stride, performing eye-catching miracles and exploits day by day," state media said.

That North Korea is still living with its predictable 1950s post-Korean War world view, where the US is the prime aggressor, was made clear too.

"The US is a gang of cruel robbers which has worked hard to bring even a nuclear disaster to the DPRK."

But despite the rhetoric, outside experts are sceptical about how much of a giant stride had been made.

What is not in doubt is the determination of Pyongyang to go down the nuclear path despite widespread condemnation the last time it tested a device.


North Korea's dramatic rhetoric

Suspicions first emerged when an earthquake was registered near the Punggye-ri nuclear site in North Korea at 10:00 Pyongyang time (01:30 GMT), with the tremors rattling Chinese border cities.

Hours later, in a surprise announcement, a newsreader on North Korean state TV said: "The republic's first hydrogen bomb test has been successfully performed at 10:00 am on January 6, 2016."

A note signed by North Korea leader Kim Jong-un authorising the test said 2016 should begin with the "stirring explosive sound" of a hydrogen bomb.
It could be days or weeks before independent tests are able to verify or dismiss the recent claim.

Both China and Japan are reported to have been trying to detect radiation.
North Korea carried out the first of its three previous nuclear tests in 2006, making it one of the few nuclear-armed nations on Earth.


Can North Korea now launch a nuclear missile?

Despite North Korea's claims, experts are sceptical that North Korea can make a nuclear weapon small enough to fit on a missile.


What do we know about the latest test?

Observers agree a nuclear explosion of some kind took place and it seems to have been a bit bigger than the last test in 2013, but not nearly big enough to be a full thermonuclear explosion - an "H-bomb" - as Pyongyang claims.


Why can't the world stop North Korea?

North Korea has a determination to defy both world opinion and heavy sanctions to reach its nuclear goal. Crucially, its main ally, China, has proved either unwilling or unable to help.

[6o4__boi]

Probably just Kim Jong-Un's bottled fart

no concerns here
theyve been playing this game for so long...do people really still give a shit about DPRK
those uniformed mud peasants rattle their sabres when theyre short on shit all the time

[Traum]

Most parts of the world doesn't give a shxt about DPRK -- unless you happen to be Seoul, which is only 56km away from the North-South Korean border. Seoul also happens to be one of the most densely populated mega city. For obvious reasons, Japan is also rather concerned.

With Korea and Japan both being the US' primary allies in Asia, the US is forced to at least divert some attention to this whiny country every time it throws a temper tantrum.

It'd sure be nice if SEAL can pull off another bin Laden style secret op on the Fat Boy.

[StylinRed]

with all the executions he's been handing out on the top members of his government, i wonder if this is just some attempt at expressing Kimmy still has things in order

[Hondaracer]

Only a concern for surrounding countries really snd it sounds like not even they should be too worried

Funny how you can make a shitty h bomb relatively easy but ICBM's are impossible

[StylinRed]

Only a concern for surrounding countries really snd it sounds like not even they should be too worried

Funny how you can make a shitty h bomb relatively easy but ICBM's are impossible

they could pull a japan circa ww2, and tie it to a balloon and float it over :badpokerface:

[european]

crazy

[Mr.Money]

no video footage?,yeah okay.

[StylinRed]

nope, just the earthquake detection and north koreas claims

that's why countries like japan are going to fly over and do some tests, air samples? photos?

[jaguar604]

Listen to the wave file for this event and compare it to other events.
IRIS: MB5.1 North Korea (http://ds.iris.edu/ds/nodes/dmc/tools/event/5170265)
IRIS: Events in the Last 24 Hours (http://ds.iris.edu/ds/nodes/dmc/tools/event/)

[StylinRed]

North Korea also showcased their ballistic missile firing capabilities from submarines


http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/01/06/07/North-Korea-Kim-Jong-UN.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daenFZL14Vc
turn the volume down

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missile-idUSKBN0UK02P20160106

North Korea 'successfully fired ballistic missile from submarine' just weeks before claimed hydrogen bomb test | Asia | News | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-successfully-fired-a-ballistic-missile-from-a-submarine-just-weeks-before-its-successful-a6798431.html)



and South Korea has responded to these events by resuming broadcasts into the North

South Korea resumes propaganda broadcasts to North over tests - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35249620)

[DragonChi]

Just imagine if north Korea had oil and said these things.

[Hondaracer]

Almost more Surprising they have subs than ballistic missles

[Mr.Money]

no results on the air tests yet?.

[CorollaXRS]

North Korea is like a Chihuahua barking at some Great Danes.

[StylinRed]

no results on the air tests yet?.

haven't read anything about it since, latest info is a japanese general stating he doubts it was a hydrogen because a hydrogen bomb test would result in a 6to7 scale quake not a 4.5-5.1 that was detected with north koreas bomb (different results between agencies and nations)

North Korea is like a Chihuahua barking at some Great Danes.

Chihuahuas are vicious :/

[Great68]

Chihuahuas are vicious :/

Yeah, but they're easy to kick clear across the room.

[Ronin]

On a global scale, what can North Korea really do? If they tried something wouldn't they just get bitch slapped by basically everyone? They can't even feed their population. How well would an impoverished nation fight against 10 seriously wealthy ones?

[CRS]

On a global scale, what can North Korea really do? If they tried something wouldn't they just get bitch slapped by basically everyone? They can't even feed their population. How well would an impoverished nation fight against 10 seriously wealthy ones?

Except that there are alliances between NK, China, and Russia.

If the South is going to get help from the US or even Japan. You can bet that NK is getting help with China and Russia.

[Ball.J.Inder]

^ I don't think China would intervene if it meant fighting the US. I know during the Korean War they did, but nowadays they only want NK to be there as a buffer to American Allies such as SK and Japan. Russia on the other hand seems to be trying to reignite the cold war and teaming up with the US' enemies. If anything I can see Russia & NK vs US & SK. China will likely threaten both sides if a war escalates, and be important in securing peace which will leave us with the same seperated Korea.

[Traum]

On a global scale, what can North Korea really do? If they tried something wouldn't they just get bitch slapped by basically everyone? They can't even feed their population. How well would an impoverished nation fight against 10 seriously wealthy ones?
Regardless of how much they can do on a global scale, they have an easy 10M people over at Seoul for ransom. That alone is significant enough on any scale.

If Chubby Kim is dumb enough to really start anything, I suspect that leaves Korea, Japan, and US with only one choice -- they will set out to indiscriminately wipe out all military installations in DPRK as a means to prevent / minimize DPRK's use of any possible nuclear weapon. Effectively, this will flatten DPRK and end Chubby Kim's reign once and for all.

This most recent hydrogen bomb testing is also different for China compared to most other temper tantrums DPRK has thrown in the past. For the first time in quite a long time, China came out to explicitly condemn DPRK's action. In the past, they will only use some much softer language -- perhaps expressing regret that the situation has turned out like this, or urge all sides involved to calm down and resolve the matter diplomatically.

[Hondaracer]

Just get a joint coalition and flatten the whole country.

I know there are other tyrannical regimes around the world but no one pesters everyone like NK does

[iwantaskyline]

Just get a joint coalition and flatten the whole country.

I know there are other tyrannical regimes around the world but no one pesters everyone like NK does

NOBODY gains anything from North Korea falling, it'd probably cause a world recession. South Korea's economy would collapse with the influx of unskilled North Koreans into the population. If the South Korean economy collapses it'll be a trickle down effect to the rest of Asia and then the world. Nobody wants that.

[StylinRed]

Just get a joint coalition and flatten the whole country.

I know there are other tyrannical regimes around the world but no one pesters everyone like NK does

well there's china which is declaring the entire oceans/seas/etc of asia/south east asia as their space

and there's the us destabilizing the middle east and bombing everyone, including us citizens

but yes North Korea is really annoying, especially since they don't seem to give a rats ass in pulling the 'we have nukes and we'll use them' card... although, thankfully, they haven't been crazy enough to actually use them

[CharlesInCharge]

Bump

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North Korea threatens nuke strike on US: Video

North Korea has threatened to launch a nuclear strike on Washington if the United States provokes the North, a video shows.

The North released a four-minute video titled “Last Chance” on Saturday which uses computer animation to show a ballistic missile hitting Washington.

The video shows that the intercontinental ballistic missile flies through the earth’s atmosphere and slams into Washington near what appears to be the Lincoln Memorial, and then a nuclear explosion follows.

“If the American imperialists provoke us a bit, we will not hesitate to slap them with a pre-emptive nuclear strike,” the video says in Korean.

“The United States must choose! It’s up to you whether the nation called the United States exists on this planet or not.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOYRLlhIP4

Most of the video appears to chronicle what it calls “humiliating defeats” suffered by the United States at North Korea’s hands over the past years, including two separate incidents in which the North captured an American ship called the Pueblo and shot down an American helicopter in 1968 and 1994 respectively.

It also depicts a barrage of artillery, rockets and missiles, which includes a submarine-launched ballistic missile.

The missile shown in the video, which is what North Korea recently claimed it had successfully tested, ends with the American flag in flames.

In 2013, the North released another video showing Lower Manhattan being bombed, and another one later showing President Obama and American troops in flames.

Tensions between the US and North Korea have escalated since the start of 2016 after the North’s nuclear test in January and a long-range rocket launch on February 7.

Pyongyang says the rocket launch was aimed at placing an earth observation satellite into orbit, but the US and South Korea say the move was a cover for an intercontinental ballistic missile test.

On March 13, a US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier arrived in South Korea’s largest port city to take part in joint war games, dubbed Key Resolve, following threats by North Korea to wipe out its enemies.

A day earlier, American and South Korean troops staged a big amphibious landing exercise on South Korea’s east coast, storming simulated North Korean beach defenses.

Pyongyang condemned the assault drills, calling them “nuclear war moves” taken as preparations for an invasion.

The North’s military said it was prepared to respond “with an ultra-precision blitzkrieg strike of the Korean style.”

This year’s Key Resolve drills mark the largest of their kind as the allies step up military cooperation in the face of North Korea’s nuclear and missile threats.

Basically the ZioAmerican empire is so powerful that to fight it you have to tell them youre going to launch your nukes, be it from land or submarines, and forever depopulate sections of the Americas which would be an ultimate price to pay then is to gain anything in taking north Korea.

[4444]

it's all about how small they can get the bomb, small enough to get on a missile that they can actually fire and control.

apparently they can't do either (small enough warhead, good enough missiles), but it is a matter of time.

at some point that regime will be overthrown, China is really the one to control that and rhetoric from Beijing appears to be getting less and less supportive to DRPK.

[geeknerd]

I've seen older students(40+) from North Korea studying nuclear physics at UBC. I wonder why we let them do that.

[CRS]

I've seen older students(40+) from North Korea studying nuclear physics at UBC. I wonder why we let them do that.

Sure, but at what degree?

If they're doing undergraduate work, who the hell cares? Everything they touch is readily available on the internet.

Hell, even if you're doing a graduate degree, I would hardly consider it beyond the realm of the internet.

[Manic!]

The US has nukes around the world. If North Korea ever launched a nuke against the US the US would flatten North Korea like a pancake.

[ultra_g6o4]

i almost nuked this whole website.

[Nlkko]

I've seen older students(40+) from North Korea studying nuclear physics at UBC. I wonder why we let them do that.

So you would ban knowledge from someone because of where they're born? That's pretty backward.

[CharlesInCharge]

The US has nukes around the world. If North Korea ever launched a nuke against the US the US would flatten North Korea like a pancake.Sure but would that stop the North from launching more nukes? They could have dozens of nukes in submarines.

North Korea doesnt commit genocide, the ZioAmerican empire does directly and indirectly in the millions every decade. Going against North Korea means you stand behind genocide and even selling out your own ethnicity as everyone, even Anglo Europeans, have been slaughtered by these aristocrats in the past. .

[rice cooker]

good, now aim that shit at the middle east

[Manic!]

Sure but would that stop the North from launching more nukes? They could have dozens of nukes in submarines.
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LOL North Korea having nukes on subs. They would be extremely lucky to have one land based nuke able to come close to reaching the U.S.

[geeknerd]

So you would ban knowledge from someone because of where they're born? That's pretty backward.

Well, I was talking specifically about North Koreans and the knowledge of Nuclear physics.

If you simplify and dumb down my statement to include all people and the entirety of knowledge, it excludes certain variables that otherwise would be implied.

For example, North Korea deploys spies. They also send out citizens overseas to attend school and then bring back that knowledge. Kim Jong Un himself attended school in Switzerland.

And although my post was mostly for a chuckle, with these variables in mind, would you still say it's completely backwards and racist?

[Nlkko]

If they are spies and our intelligence agency didn't catch or monitor them, then we have bigger problems than them taking some courses at UBC.

There is no warrant to ban knowledge from anyone based on citizenship or ethics. I would further argue it is good for these people, whom lots of people think are stupid and backward and evil and what not, to get educated in civilized countries such as ours and immerse themselves in the Western culture and tradition in the process.

Or would you rather they stay stupid and evil and keep getting brainwashed by a government headed by a baby dictator.

[geeknerd]

If they are spies and our intelligence agency didn't catch or monitor them, then we have bigger problems than them taking some courses at UBC.

There is no warrant to ban knowledge from anyone based on citizenship or ethics. I would further argue it is good for these people, whom lots of people think are stupid and backward and evil and what not, to get educated in civilized countries such as ours and immerse themselves in the Western culture and tradition in the process.

Or would you rather they stay stupid and evil and keep getting brainwashed by a government headed by a baby dictator.

So what you're saying is just based on where they were born, they are stupid and evil and brainwashed. Which is the basis of my statement that they are evil and brainwashed(HA). You clearly know why I made such a statement .
Also, spies are spies because they are spies. It's a problem that they exist but its not really a "bigger problem" because all countries have them around the world.

I would actually argue that no one really thinks they are stupid, more so the ones that defect which means they usually come from money and were knowledgeable enough to know defecting was an option worth the risk.

Quite a few aspects of society are restricted based on natural origin due to foreign influence. Can't be POTUS unless natural born. Can't join canadian army if you are not from an allied country.

Its not some concrete ban on knowledge that you keep broadening it out to, its based on very specific variables and prevention.

[Yodamaster]

it's all about how small they can get the bomb, small enough to get on a missile that they can actually fire and control.

apparently they can't do either (small enough warhead, good enough missiles), but it is a matter of time.

at some point that regime will be overthrown, China is really the one to control that and rhetoric from Beijing appears to be getting less and less supportive to DRPK.

The United States had backpack nukes in 1958, only thirteen years after the very first nuclear device was ever used. It's 2016, and nuclear weapons have become infinitely more destructive. I find it hard to believe that after 71 years of testing, development (and more importantly) changing political climates, that the secret to launchable warheads is still a mystery to all but those who do not have the devices themselves. In this age of electronic espionage, the likelyhood that some sensitive information hasn't been leaked is absurd.

The fact that there is still a question of whether or not all of the Soviet Union's stockpile of weapons and research had been accounted for after the collapse is cause enough to warrant this kind of suspicion.

[DragonChi]

So what you're saying is just based on where they were born, they are stupid and evil and brainwashed. Which is the basis of my statement that they are evil and brainwashed(HA). You clearly know why I made such a statement .
Also, spies are spies because they are spies. It's a problem that they exist but its not really a "bigger problem" because all countries have them around the world.

I would actually argue that no one really thinks they are stupid, more so the ones that defect which means they usually come from money and were knowledgeable enough to know defecting was an option worth the risk.

Quite a few aspects of society are restricted based on natural origin due to foreign influence. Can't be POTUS unless natural born. Can't join canadian army if you are not from an allied country.

Its not some concrete ban on knowledge that you keep broadening it out to, its based on very specific variables and prevention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz_presidential_campaign,_2016

And yes, I believe that denying someone education based on where they're from is backwards. Unless you've personally met a North Korean, saying they're evil and brainwashed is pretty prejudiced and ignorant.

Knowing now to build nuclear weapons and actually being able to do it are on two completely different levels of feasibility.