[Ferra]

What do you guys think of a Turbo 4 cylinders Porsche?
New Porsche 718 Boxster first-ride preview: 7 things we learned from winter testing by CAR Magazine (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/new-porsche-718-boxster-preview-7-things-we-learned-from-winter-testing/)

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Started following the 718 news after going to the dealer 2 months back looking for a cayman and was told they stopped production with the new model expected to announce in Jan and hit the road in April.

Pretty big changes for a "mid-cycle" makeover.
- going from a NA 6 cylinders to a 2L/2.5L 4 cylinder turbo. (about 10% increase in HP)
- New LED headlights/taillights and new front & rear bumper.
- Articles said some upgrades to the interior but I couldn't see any difference beside the option for a GT Steering wheel.
- Bigger brakes
- My sales rep said they should have Apple Carplay on the new model (which is something I really want since you don't have to fork out 5K for porsche's own infotainment/navigation package, which probably won't work as well an iphone)


The turbo 4 cylinder changes seem to get a lot of hate and skepticism tho...

[swfk]

It won't sound the same :(

[dovo]

It won't sound the same :(

That is subjective. 4 banger turbos usually sound better than na 6s imo

[radioman]

I'm just hoping the price of used caymans to drop instead of increase when this is released.:)

[TypeRNammer]

4 cylinder boxer turbo?

Wonder what would happen if you slapped on a UEL header....

:megusta: but then again Subaru would probably be insulted.

[GLOW]

I'm just hoping the price of used caymans to drop instead of increase when this is released.:)

we know you're going to get a boxster like michael scott from the office :troll:

[swfk]

That is subjective. 4 banger turbos usually sound better than na 6s imo

My S54 sounded way better than my 2.0L TSI.
E90 328 sound > F30 328 sound

Cayman flat 6 will always sound better than a 4 banger turbo. Imo

[320icar]

Man, Porsche designers are very........... Lazy? Look at the difference between the last fen corolla and the new one. Huge change! Then compare the last gen of, well, any Porsche to the current one.

But that's just my opinion...

[brrrz]

Have to say I like a lot of things Porsche has been doing but these 4 small lights in the corners of the headlight housing...I dunno, not my thing. Looks out of place.

[punkwax]

Man, Porsche designers are very........... Lazy? Look at the difference between the last fen corolla and the new one. Huge change! Then compare the last gen of, well, any Porsche to the current one.

But that's just my opinion...

lol comparing corolla to Porsche... sorry, just had to :lol

They deliberately keep the Porsche "look" to appeal to purists and define their brand. I don't think there is any laziness behind it.

[320icar]

I fully understand the ridiculous nature of my comparison. But as I lay in bed it's the best I could come up with. Why not compare it to corvettes then. Each c4/5/6/7 retain a similar shape, yet feel very different to each other. Guess I just don't 'understand the brand' for Porsche

[radioman]

Since the cayman was released its had some major changes done.

They dont really need to do full refreshes like corollas/civics of the world because they dont really need to sell the car every few years. Its gonna sell without a refresh or not.

[ZN6]

Man, Porsche designers are very........... Lazy? Look at the difference between the last fen corolla and the new one. Huge change! Then compare the last gen of, well, any Porsche to the current one.

But that's just my opinion...

Not lazy at all, in fact, I would argue they are probably twice as hard working as the corolla designer. It's not easy working with the ever changing industry safety standards while maintaining very similar design and profile generation after generation and still making the marque look modern. Not to mention how most of the time with design, you add something but takes away from somewhere else. Very fine balancing act.

Corolla and economy boxes just scrap everything that was done before and just start with a blank slate and take design cues from everywhere else without ever having to consider what looks they have to maintain to preserve its DNA: Cheap appeal to the masses. Econo-boxes simply got bigger to accommodate more safety shit and growing bodies so that they can go with industry standards. Then they had to add sub-economy boxes in like the Yaris to make the Corolla higher class.

It takes much more thought into designing a new Porsche to have brand recognition. When someone is paying that coin for a Porsche, no one better confuse it with a Kia.

Even the WRX STi, in my opinion looks like a freakin' civic from the side.

http://assets.clickmotive.com/ail/color_0640_001/10393/10393_cc0640_001_M7Y.jpg?t=0

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/civic/2014/oem/2014_honda_civic_sedan_si_s_oem_1_600.jpg

Bottom line: When people look at a Porsche they're likely to not have to question what it is. Shiny? Porsche profile? Very familiar but something looks different? Probably a new Porsche.

When someone looks at a new Corolla: Is that a Camry? Or a Hyundai?

[AXKA.]

Man, Porsche designers are very........... Lazy? Look at the difference between the last fen corolla and the new one. Huge change! Then compare the last gen of, well, any Porsche to the current one.

But that's just my opinion...

From a branding perspective it's actually must smarter for them to keep the original designs as close as possible. When people think of Porsche they think of that classic sleek sexy design and that is why they must keep that brand image. With the Corolla they are able to change and rebrand the car every few years because they have to do so in order to catch up to the competition. The only things that they really keep the same are the fact that Corollas are very safe, efficient and reliable, which is what everyone knows them for. Two very different cars that live in very different realms.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but myself and I'm sure a lot of other people too would be completely devastated if they revamped the classic Porsche design like Honda revamped the S2000 or Toyota revamped the Corolla.

[hud 91gt]

That is subjective. 4 banger turbos usually sound better than na 6s imo

Subjective yet anyone who agrees with you is wrong. Haha

[Akinari]

Having recently hooned around in my cousin's 6cyl base Cayman, I can fully attest to how amazing these cars are in every single way, particularly that motor. Not sure if any turbo 4 will ever have the same feel or sound as a pure NA.

[asian_XL]

In this case, will it sound like a STi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2StnOBxfnw

[StylinRed]

ew, didn't know they were about to announce a new cayman/boxster

NA V6>>>>>>>turbo 4cyl

[donjalapeno]

Im guessing the engine is probably going to be some what like the set up in the Golf R. Makes sense.

[AzNightmare]

From a branding perspective it's actually must smarter for them to keep the original designs as close as possible. When people think of Porsche they think of that classic sleek sexy design and that is why they must keep that brand image. With the Corolla they are able to change and rebrand the car every few years because they have to do so in order to catch up to the competition. The only things that they really keep the same are the fact that Corollas are very safe, efficient and reliable, which is what everyone knows them for. Two very different cars that live in very different realms.

I completely understand where you're coming from, but myself and I'm sure a lot of other people too would be completely devastated if they revamped the classic Porsche design like Honda revamped the S2000 or Toyota revamped the Corolla.


While I agree when you see a Porsche, you immediately know it's a Porsche, differentiating between models is another challenge unless you know your Porsches.

But there are always worse brands in this regard, such as Aston Martin. I would be totally lost if I can't spot the badge in the back.

[Mancini]

Is it still a boxer engine? Going to an inline would be harder to take than dropping 2 cylinders.

[Timpo]

stop complaining about 4 cylinder
Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, Lotus Exige, Ginetta G12, etc...they all had 4 cylinders.

Also 4 cylinder Porsche is nothing new

Porsche 550
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Porsche_550_Spyder.jpg

Porsche 924
http://www.artandrevs.com/_img/galerie_prods/39_629.jpg

Porsche 356
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Porsche_356A_Cabriolet.jpg

Porsche 944
http://porsche-scene.de/uploads/pics/po_1111_s_klasse05_.jpg

Porshce 64
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/carMTrqqbtY/maxresdefault.jpg

Porsche 968
http://www.moibbk.com/images/porsche-968.jpg

Porsche 912
http://pinthiscars.com/preview/porsche-912-wallpaper-7.jpg

Porsche 914
http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/Porsche/overright.jpg

[Galactic_Phantom]

Timpo wow, I'm so proud. You finally figured out how to put all pictures in one post instead of posting one picture per post.

[El Dumbasso]

Timpo wow, I'm so proud. You finally figured out how to put all pictures in one post instead of posting one picture per post.

I'm just surprised he didn't post his favourite 4 cylinder car:
Two thirds of a GTR :troll:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/images/2/900_o1046.jpg

[dovo]

I'm just surprised he didn't post his favourite 4 cylinder car:
Two thirds of a GTR :troll:
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/images/2/900_o1046.jpg

except it isn't 4 cylinder.

[Klondike]

In this case, will it sound like a STi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2StnOBxfnw

:sweetjesus:

[westopher]

That is subjective. 4 banger turbos usually sound better than na 6s imo
Seriously.....just don't.

[jasonturbo]

That is subjective. 4 banger turbos usually sound better than na 6s imo

That's just something poor people say.

[Hondaracer]

why does everything always have to get weaker?

[westopher]

Its not weaker, just less exciting.
Lots of cars are losing what makes them so exciting. Maybe I'm just old.

[El Dumbasso]

except it isn't 4 cylinder.


Two thirds of a GTR
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

[westopher]

Lol Dovo is on fire in this thread.

[swfk]

Lol Dovo is on fire in this thread.

Except he isn't

[westopher]

Except he isn't
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

[Timpo]

Its not weaker, just less exciting.
Lots of cars are losing what makes them so exciting. Maybe I'm just old.

apparently this thing is quite exciting to drive

http://www.autoclassmagazine.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/campagna-t-rex.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/05/lead5-2013-campagna-t-rex-16s.jpg

[Marshall Placid]

I'll chime in here.

Yes, turbo 4s are great for fuel, but the savings are not mathematically half the cost of a NA V8 or 66.66% of a V6 (or inline).

This is based on real-life experience.

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r491/Marshall_Placid/germancarfestivalfinal_zpsba4dd38c.jpg
http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r491/Marshall_Placid/march30-2014-revscene-final_zpsdee580b8.jpg

NA V8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o96eBK9DK8c

to

Turbo 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEqNhWn3bM




I would say the cost savings for gas is about 30% less than a V8, and even less if you drive a turbo 4 aggressively.

It's great for low-end torque, but at the high-end rpms, the turbos don't do much for the driving experience.

And, the exhaust note will always be less visceral unless you put in an after market exhaust system.

So, turbo 4s:
Pros:
Better fuel economy
Better for city driving
low rpm higher torque

Cons:
Less visceral feel
Worse exhaust note
Lower power at the higher rpms (so, not as good a driving experience on the highway)

So, to an extent, IMHO, I believe it depends on the driving locality.

City or highway?

For the new 718 owners that do a lot of city driving, turbo 4s "should" be better.

For highway, 6s and 8s NAs are unquestionably the better driving experience.

In the end, I have a feeling that a lot of the new owners or potential buyers are looking for a city-driving experience; therefore, Porsche will sell more and many 718s in the future.

[dovo]

That's just something poor people say.

Tis tru i am poor :okay:

[Ferra]

2017 Porsche 718 Boxster / Boxster S Photos and Info ? News ? Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-porsche-718-boxster-boxster-s-photos-and-info-news)
Porsche unveiled the 718 few days ago (at least for the boxster, nothing on the cayman yet)
Configurator is already up on their website.

10% increase in HP and 30% more torque. (from 275HP->300HP, 207lb-ft>280lb-ft)
6.9L/100km? Not sure how accurate this is...but that's about the same fuel consumption as a civic.

Not a big fan of the exterior change tho. The front intake grill look a bit cheap, and the porsche badge underneath the spoiler looks really tacky.
Hefty price increase too (base went from $58K to $64K), I guess they justify it since the new base model performance is about the same as the 981 Boxster S.

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/378/023/6/S3780236/slug/l/porsche-718-boxster-02-1.jpg
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[Galactic_Phantom]

:heckno:

not that I can afford it anyways :okay:

[originalhypa]

I see a lot of the old 914 in this design. It's an interesting direction for Porsche. I'm sure they'll be just fine as far as sales go.

[radioman]

Holy shit thats a fast boxster.......

[smoothie.]

im buying one because its no longer the poor man's 911.

its a 718!

[boostfever]

I would hit it, with the Manual model. It's gotta be lots of fun to drive this thing. Boxsters get a lot of hate; usually from the people who have never driven them. They're great handling cars.

[hud 91gt]

I see a lot of the old 914 in this design. It's an interesting direction for Porsche. I'm sure they'll be just fine as far as sales go.

914 was a failure. But 45 years down the road, its in my top 3 Porsches to own! Haha

[Nlkko]

I would hit it, with the Manual model. It's gotta be lots of fun to drive this thing. Boxsters get a lot of hate; usually from the people who have never driven them. They're great handling cars.

They are amazing track cars. People are just obsessed with 911s for the brand name.

[RRxtar]

I actually think it looks a lot better. The front grill, and the edge that runs from the bumper light to the corner and down. And the grill along the back between the tail lights, bigger diffuser, and the dark tail lights. All give it a little bit more of a sophistication and take away that miata-anime-smiley melted bar of butter chick car look. And it doesn't look like a baby 911 anymore.

It isnt alot different when you compare it to the old one, but it is a little better. The back end especially doesn't look as soft.

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/378/023/6/S3780236/slug/l/porsche-718-boxster-02-1.jpg
http://automodels.net/media/porsche/pics/porsche-boxster-981-[19457].jpg

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/378/023/8/S3780238/slug/l/porsche-718-boxster-04-1.jpg
http://automodels.net/media/porsche/pics/porsche-boxster-981-[19455].jpg

[twitchyzero]

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/378/023/8/S3780238/slug/l/porsche-718-boxster-04-1.jpg

spy pics of the new Cayman

:troll::heckno::denied:
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2010/04/08/14/54/2011_mitsubishi_eclipse-pic-321157566129793812-1600x1200.png

[westopher]

Don't you dare........

[originalhypa]

914 was a failure. But 45 years down the road, its in my top 3 Porsches to own! Haha

I had a 72' back in the day. It had the worst fuel injection system ever, the Bosch K-jetronic. But what a fun car.


hmmmm....... maybe a modern day mid engined 4 cylinder Porsche is just what I need to make up for the sale of my STi. I miss having a fun, fast car. But never really needed the extra seating.

now you got me thinking hud.
:D

[Mr.Stubbz]

imo, i think that the current design is cleaner and less fussy. but hey, maybe with the new 4cyl turbos put in the boxter, people wont conspire about the fact that porsche is putting detuned 911 engines in them :pokerface:

[Traum]

If anyone is wondering, this is what the car sounds like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9hgIAfe-f0

Makes me wonder why Porsche is working so hard all of a suddent to drive that 718 branding home...

[RRxtar]

ya the 718 is in the badge on the trunk. strange. you dont see 911 chassis codes anywhere.

[Mancini]

ya the 718 is in the badge on the trunk. strange. you dont see 911 chassis codes anywhere.

The 911 badge is a factory option.