[Acura604]

WAR is coming....the Russians have bombed the crap out of the western backed rebels to the point of defeat...looks like this is the response that will be coming...This conflict would involve a large number of countries as well as the 2 Superpowers: USA and Russia. Also, a bomb went off in the Turkish capital and was blamed on Kurdish rebels out of Syria giving Turkey the ammunition to invade ......

As per the article:


Saudi Drill or Syrian Invasion? 350,000 Soldiers, 20,000 Tanks & 2,500 Warplanes Amass Near Syria | The Free Thought Project (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-coalition-launches-massive-drills-including-350000-soldiers-20000-tanks-2500-warplanes/)


Saudi Arabia has announced the launch of the most massive military drill ever staged in the Middle East; with over 20 Gulf states and other allied nations participating in the incredible display of military might.

The official Twitter account for North Thunder said the exercises were being held at King Khalid Military City in Hafr Al Batin from February 14 until March 10.

“A military exercise will be commanded by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with the participation of 20 countries and the Peninsula Shield force as well,” the account said. “The main objective is to demonstrate the high combat readiness of the participating armed forces and their readiness and ability to function successfully in joint operations,” the account said.

The drill, coined “Northern Thunder,” will include up to 350,000 troops, 20,000 tanks, 2,500 warplanes and 450 helicopters, and will coordinate the use of ground forces, as well as naval and air force personnel.

The participating countries are Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Senegal, Sudan, Maldives, Morocco, Pakistan, Chad, Tunisia, Comoro Islands, Djibouti, Malaysia, Egypt, Mauritania, and Mauritius, according to Gulf News


However, the reality underpinning the drill is far more convoluted than the House of Saud is willing to admit, and has little to do with regional stability.

What has actually taken place is that the Russian intervention into the Syrian conflict has usurped the Western-backed plan of providing material assistance to rebel groups attempting to overthrow the al-Assad government.

The Russian-backed offensive in Syria has resulted in the Azaz corridor, a major supply route for ‘covert’ CIA weapons shipments to the so-called “moderate rebels,” being shut down, which has left the U.S. scrambling for options to continue their campaign of regime change in Syria

[SkinnyPupp]

Darn

[6o4__boi]

waiting for CiC's take

[pastarocket]

If shit does get real with Saudi Arabia invading Syria, can you imagine what will happen to the price of oil?

We're gonna get raped at the gas station with higher gas prices. :fulloffuck:

[Sid Vicious]

the middle east has pretty much been in constant warfare for the past 60 years so i dont think things will change much

[jackmeister]

If shit does get real with Saudi Arabia invading Syria, can you imagine what will happen to the price of oil?

We're gonna get raped at the gas station with higher gas prices. :fulloffuck:

well.. at least our dollar would be better :badpokerface:

[murd0c]

If shit does get real with Saudi Arabia invading Syria, can you imagine what will happen to the price of oil?

We're gonna get raped at the gas station with higher gas prices. :fulloffuck:

If there is a war I could see them selling oil for cheap so they have more money to fund it.

[Eastwood]

I still don't understand how anyone can call them "Moderate Rebels." There are no moderate headchoppers in the Middle East. At this point if we ever want ISIS gone we should let Russia and Assad handle it.

ISIS' allies Saudi Arabia and Turkey don't want them gone, and they happen to be the US' biggest allies in the region...

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/former-uk-ambassador-to-syria-assad-is-not-going-to-be-overthrown/

In a recent segment on BBC, Peter Ford, the UK Ambassador to Syria from 2003-2006, was asked if Assad is part of the solution in Syria to solve the so-called quagmire. He said:

“I think sadly, but inevitably, he is. Realistically, Assad is not going to be overthrown. This becomes more clear with every day that passes. Western analysts have been indulging in wishful thinking for 5 years; it’s time to get real, we owe it to the Syrian people to be much more realistic and hard headed about this. The West has to stop propping up the so-called ‘moderate opposition’, which is not moderate at all by the way, and it has to allow the Syrian Army backed possibly by the Russians to deal with IS.

”The frustrated interviewer asked Mr. Ford about “what we should have done,” and he responded that “we should have backed off, we should have not tried to overthrow the regime.” Mr. Ford eloquently added that this policy has been “like a dog returning to vomit.”

[Hondaracer]

When has the US arming these fringe forces ever fucking worked in achieving their objective?

Russia seems to be the only country actually willing to act against Isis etc, even though they clearly have their own interests in mind as an end goal, I only see good coming out of bombing the absolute fuck out of these groups/areas harbouring any sort of "moderate rebels"

The US did the exact same thing in Iraq, chose a side, armed and equipped them, and once they leave it's a slaughter because it's impossible to put any sort of predominant party in control in these regions without segregating massive portions of the population.

Flatten the whole fucking place as far as I'm concerned.

[originalhypa]

the middle east has pretty much been in constant warfare for the past 60 years so i dont think things will change much

The middle east has been at war since the day we started writing down our history on papyrus.

That said, the North Americans aren't much better. America has been a nation for 239 years, and has been at war for 222 of those years. That's 93% of the time.


“we should have backed off, we should have not tried to overthrow the regime.” Mr. Ford eloquently added that this policy has been “like a dog returning to vomit.”[/B]

In my life, I've seen the Americans basically give birth to the Taliban by training the Afghanis in their fight against the Russians. I've seen them take a Saddam out of power, only to create instability in the region. I remember when Hugo Chavez was touted as a great leader for Venezuela. Then he stood up to the corporations, and was dropped by the Americans when he placed blame on them for the actions of terrorists in 9/11.

Does anyone remember the monkey, Bush, calling Chavez a part of the axis of evil?

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2006/10/1_123125_2090808_2134126_2150669_061011_bi_axisofe vil_tn.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

cic is crazy, that's for sure.
But it doesn't take a genius to recognize the propaganda that has been spewed.

[Ch28]

The middle east has been in constant war since before most of us were born. It's par for the course.

[murd0c]

The middle east has been in constant war since all of time par for the course.

fixed

[Sid Vicious]

this was in the afghanistan in the 60s prior the soviet invasion and taliban, imagine that
https://actforamericahouston.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/susanrecordstore5070656983_ae2ace7e86_o.jpg
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1960s-afghanistan-8.jpg
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1960s-afghanistan-21.jpg

[Digitalis]

Its about time Saudi Arabia showed it's true colors. Reports now are coming out how they were the ones that funded and pulled off 911 not iraq.
The US saves them in dessert storm and this how they repay them LOL.
I guess having too much money/oil does go to your head and makes you think your god.

[pastarocket]

CiC, where are you??? We are waiting for your reply to this thread.

-any political angles, Illuminati insights, or conspiracy theories about this Middle East military exercise? :troll:

[CRS]

Its about time Saudi Arabia showed it's true colors. Reports now are coming out how they were the ones that funded and pulled off 911 not iraq.
The US saves them in dessert storm and this how they repay them LOL.
I guess having too much money/oil does go to your head and makes you think your god.

When was Iraq ever linked to 911? They were invaded because of supposed weapons of mass destruction.

[CorneringArtist]

CiC, where are you??? We are waiting for your reply to this thread.

-any political angles, Illuminati insights, or conspiracy theories about this Middle East military exercise? :troll:

You forgot Zionism. All his arguments somehow tie into it somehow. Zionism.

[Ronin]

Whatever. I stopped really caring about what happens in the Middle East. I'm interested in what happens but if everyone there wants to be dicks and fight each other, then nothing we can do will stop them so just place your bets and hope for the best.

Seriously, how many lives and trillions have been thrown at trying to achieve peace in the Middle East? Just let them do their thing. The US, Russia, everyone should just be like "Alright, how about none of us fight over these assholes?" and everyone backs off and let's them go at it.

Fighting over thousands of years of bullshit...

[white rocket]

Crazy to think right? So much western influence in the Middle East until the 1979 revolution.

this was in the afghanistan in the 60s prior the soviet invasion and taliban, imagine that
https://actforamericahouston.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/susanrecordstore5070656983_ae2ace7e86_o.jpg
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1960s-afghanistan-8.jpg
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1960s-afghanistan-21.jpg

I'm not putting much weight to this announcement. There's always shit going on with countries saying and saying that.

[murd0c]

Say what you want about me for saying this and I feel bad for thinking this way but I swear the world would be a better play with out those countries around but then again mankind would find something else to fight about since we are unable to live in peace sadly.

[GS8]

When was Iraq ever linked to 911? They were invaded because of supposed weapons of mass destruction.

When that fuckwit Cheney decided to start talking

Vice President Dick Cheney had told Meet the Press on December 9, 2001, that Iraq was harboring Abdul Rahman Yasin, a suspect in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing,[14] and repeated the statement in another appearance on September 14, 2003, saying "We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaida sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaida organization. We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in '93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of '93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven."[15] and once again in an interview with National Public Radio in January, 2004, stating that there had been "overwhelming evidence" of a relationship between Saddam and al-Qaeda based on evidence including Iraq's purported harboring of Yasin.[16]

In the same Meet the Press interviews, Cheney implied a connection between Iraq and Mohamed Atta; "The Czech interior minister said today that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta, one of the ringleaders of the September 11 terrorists attacks on the United States, just five months before the synchronized hijackings and mass killings were carried out."[14] and "With respect to 9/11, of course, we’ve had the story that’s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop any more of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know."[15] Czech officials have since backed off of this claim, and even Cheney has since acknowledged that the notion "that the meeting ever took place" has been "pretty well knocked down now."[17] (See Mohamed Atta's alleged Prague connection.)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations

EDIT:

Hate on me but my view is the Middle East has been in a perpetual Dark Age due to constant interference by empires / superpowers. The influence and resulting propaganda are strong. This Dark Age needs to end a Renaissance era needs to begin but it won't. The innocent civilians are constantly strangled by militias, corrupt governments and intolerant interlopers.

We don't need a Roman style empire to erode the world anymore. We now have the much more sophisticated Euro-American style of corporate backed dominance hidden under angelic words such as Freedom, Liberty, Prosperity etc.

[iwantaskyline]

Middle east is a shit show because western powers drew up imaginary borders post WW2 and created a Jewish country out of thin air which displaced millions of muslims causing widespread hatred for western powers.

Notice how the stable ME countries were never colonized by Europe.

[CharlesInCharge]

Theres no one better then Mark Dankoff to explain whats really going on.

The Debate - NATO Russia Tensions (Feb 10th)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xW92mQNrcY

The Debate - Who's Financing ISIL? (Nov 16th)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic-fJ67Czo

[Ferra]

Saudi had a new king last year
He has been pretty ruthless and a hardliner...
I wouldn't be too surprised if he go all out war to "assert his dominance"...


(Things I wouldn't say in real life...)
Can't we just leave those middle east fuckers alone? People always said..."oh there are dictators & wars, and the poor innocent civilians are suffering... we gotta help them!"
But I never felt those civilians are really that "innocent". Most of them has been raised/brainwashed to hate on some other groups.
They want peace and stability for themselves, but most would happily support groups that are intended on wrecking and killing the people they hate (Shia, sunni, arab, palestinians, jewish..etc), or religious fanatics that believe all those who do not adhere to their religion and rules should be killed.

The general population and its cultures, hatred towards one another is the cause of all the turmoils in the region...not just because of some "dictators".
(When you kill 1 dictator, 6 more pops out.....look at what's happened to Libya, Egypt, Yemen, etc after they overthrown their "dictators")

I would be happy to help those who are genuinely peaceful, and able to integrate into our cultures (believe in personal, religious freedom, toloreance, women equality, etc), but I think they are more like the rare exceptions instead of the norm

[Bouncing Bettys]

While the US was invading Afghanistan shortly after 9/11, I started reading Caravans by James A. Michener. It was written in the 60's , historical fiction set after WW2, but it gave me great incite into Afghanistan and the Middle East. It showed the complexities of the region, the failure of western attempts at influence and modernization, etc. Don't bother with the movie based on it - it made major changes and ruined the overall message.

[6o4__boi]

i'm disappointed with CiC's response.

[Nlkko]

If there is a war I could see them selling oil for cheap so they have more money to fund it.

Price is speculative, which based on production. If people think production will be affected (which they will when there's bombs flying around oil rigs), then price will go up.

[StylinRed]

What's more interesting to me atm is China placing Anti Air rockets on their man-made islands in the South China Sea and South Korean intelligence claiming their Intel shows North Korea I'd gearing up for terror attacks against the South

Turkey has been fighting/bombing the Kurds for ages, this latest bud attack was a retaliatory one against recent Turkish bombing runs on Syrian Kurds

The states like to ignore mass killings by their allies. But when someone in their and Saudi Arabia's target list attacks terrorists within their borders? That becomes an international incident resulting in clear attempts to topple that government (Recently: Libya, Syria)

[CharlesInCharge]

i'm disappointed with CiC's response.Mark Dankoff is a legend... I see that Sid Vicious failed me for it... what kind political pundit do you think he'd post to aware us on what going on in the middle east?
Probably some professional propagandist who preys on the weak minded.
http://i.imgur.com/BzGTX2e.jpg

[Sid Vicious]

Mark Dankoff is a legend... I see that Sid Vicious failed me for it... what kind political pundit do you think he'd post to aware us on what going on in the middle east?
Probably some professional propagandist who preys on the weak minded.
http://i.imgur.com/BzGTX2e.jpg

as opposed to press tv just being a propagandist for iran LMAO

[CharlesInCharge]

The 1979 Islamic revolution was a revolution for all of humanity... this is why today Iran is fighting against terrorism while the West and including Canada, are creating it.

Please share with the forum a clip of a political pundit that shares your ideology, before I go for my power nap, so that I can dissect all the lies that youre gullible to believe in.

[Sid Vicious]

The 1979 Islamic revolution was a revolution for all of humanity... this is why today Iran is fighting against terrorism while the West and including Canada, are creating it.

Please share with the forum a clip of a political pundit that shares your ideology, before I go for my power nap, so that I can dissect all the lies that youre gullible to believe in.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120509185304/powerlisting/images/9/90/Great-cthulhu.jpg
https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--wJdLOe7J--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446247252/production/designs/308299_2

[StylinRed]

as opposed to press tv just being a propagandist for iran LMAO

Sure PressTV is Iranian based, and RT is Russian, Al-Jazeera is Saudi, the BBC is British, CCTV is Chinese, and CNN is American.

All these stations colour their reports with bias, but not all the time, and they've gotten in trouble for not towing the line, but most importantly, they all provide some insight that the other network doesn't/won't.

There are two sides to every story, you can't expect to find the truth by only listening to one side, you'll have to come to a better understanding by listening to all sides and realize the truth is somewhere inbetween, or even not there at all! It depends :lol

:P

[CharlesInCharge]

Do you even watch PressTV to say that... I highly doubt it.
You didnt make my propaganda prodigies list for nothing...


@Sid Vicious
Nice try to divert your inadequacies with comedy...

The reality is that Canadians have been programmed to be totally disconnected from real world politics... they follow false idols like Bill Gates and Kanye west.

*Insert "Canadian" in this graphic
http://i.imgur.com/4CBD8lk.jpg

[CivicBlues]

Sure PressTV is Iranian based, and RT is Russian, Al-Jazeera is Saudi, the BBC is British, CCTV is Chinese, and CNN is American.


Actually Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar :)


So much ignorance in this thread.

I love how people view the "Middle-East" as some sort of monolithic bloc the same way "Africa" is. And that it's in a continual state of war or conflict.

There are relatively peaceful states that have been at peace for decades such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait

There are those states affected by the so-called "Arab Spring" and it's resulting chaos which has only been going on the past 5-6 years or so: Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen etc

Really the only conflicts that have been "continuous" as in over 20+ years have been the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Iraq, Lebanon, and Afghanistan

[StylinRed]

Actually Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar :)

.

:lol was waiting for someone to say that, but come on :P :lol okay I'll rephrase, Al-Jazeera is Saudi biased :P

[Sid Vicious]

Actually Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar :)


So much ignorance in this thread.

I love how people view the "Middle-East" as some sort of monolithic bloc the same way "Africa" is. And that it's in a continual state of war or conflict.

There are relatively peaceful states that have been at peace for decades such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait

There are those states affected by the so-called "Arab Spring" and it's resulting chaos which has only been going on the past 5-6 years or so: Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen etc

Really the only conflicts that have been "continuous" as in over 20+ years have been the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Iraq, Lebanon, and Afghanistan

yea but all those places have piss poor humans right records, which is why people think of the ME as a monolithic bloc.
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/05/PF_14.05.28_blasphemy-apostasy_blasphemy640px.png
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/05/PF_14.05.28_blasphemy-apostasy_apostasy640px.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Apostasy_laws_in_2013.SVG/2000px-Apostasy_laws_in_2013.SVG.png

hmm...i wonder why people think of the ME of a monolithic bloc, maybe its because their gov't tries to force everyone to subscribe to the same brand of religious thought.

[CivicBlues]

yea but all those places have piss poor humans right records, which is why people think of the ME as a monolithic bloc

:banghead:

[Sid Vicious]

:banghead:

just maybe, just MAYBE people think of the middle east as a monolithic bloc because the gov't forces all of it's people to subscribe to a similar and all encompassing belief system?

i dunno man, just a thought.

[CivicBlues]

just maybe, just MAYBE people think of the middle east as a monolithic bloc because the gov't forces all of it's people to subscribe to a similar and all encompassing belief system?

i dunno man, just a thought.

Umm, most governments in the Middle East, and the world for that matter, are secular in nature and don't "force" their people to subscribe to any sort of belief system. Most people there are Muslim and religious simply by the fact that their parents and/or community are.

The only two governments in the region that are Theocracies in the sense you describe are Saudi Arabia and Iran. Who btw, are at odds with each other being Sunni and Shiite, respectively.

Which brings me to my point if you educate yourself, you wouldn't be subject to such fallacies in the first place.

That's a double headbanger for you. :banghead::banghead:

[Sid Vicious]

Umm, most governments in the Middle East, and the world for that matter, are secular in nature and don't "force" their people to subscribe to any sort of belief system. Most people there are Muslim and religious simply by the fact that their parents and/or community are.

The only two governments in the region that are Theocracies in the sense you describe are Saudi Arabia and Iran. Who btw, are at odds with each other being Sunni and Shiite, respectively.

Which brings me to my point if you educate yourself, you wouldn't be subject to such fallacies in the first place.

That's a double headbanger for you. :banghead::banghead:

I dunno man, getting thrown in prison or getting sentenced to death for apostasy seems like forcing someone to subscribe to a belief system, maybe it's you who needs to be educated lol

hmm lets see how secular these countries are...i just copied and pasted so there are obviously countries not in the ME

Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, though the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions)[16][17]
Algeria – While Algeria has no direct laws against apostasy, its laws indirectly cover it. Article 144(2) of Algerian code specifies a prison term to anyone who criticizes or insults the creed or prophets of Islam through writing, drawing, declaration, or any other means; further, Algerian law makes conversion from Islam and proselytizing by non-Muslims an offense punishable with fine and prison term.[14]
Brunei – per recently enacted Sharia law, Section 112(1) of the Brunei Penal Code states that a Muslim who declares himself non-Muslim commits a crime that is punishable with death, or with up to 30 year imprisonment, depending on the type of evidence. However, if the accused has recanted his conversion, he may be acquitted of the crime of apostasy.[14]
Comoros[18]
Egypt – illegal (3 years' imprisonment)[19]
Iran – not in the Penal Code, but courts can hand down death penalty for apostasy, and have done so in previous years.[20]
Iraq[18]
Jordan – possibly illegal (fine, jail, child custody loss, marriage annulment) although officials claim otherwise, convictions are recorded for apostasy[21][22][23]
Kuwait – Apostasy is not illegal in Kuwait,[24][25][26] although apostasy is penalized in family courts for Muslims.[24][25] For Muslims, apostasy in family court can result in loss of child custody, inheritance rights and normally annulment if married to a Muslim.[24][25]
Malaysia – illegal in five of thirteen states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)[27][28]
Maldives[18]- illegal for Muslim nationals (loss of citizenship).[29][30] Illegal to proselytise for religions other than Islam.
Mauritania – illegal (death penalty if still apostate after 3 days)[31]
Morocco – not illegal, but official Islamic council decreed apostates should be put to death.[14] Illegal to proselytise for religions other than Islam (15 years' imprisonment)[32]
Nigeria[18]
Oman – illegal (prison) according to Article 209 of Oman penal code, and denies child custody rights under Article 32 of Personal Status Law[14]
Pakistan – not illegal, but apostates vulnerable to charges of blasphemy, a potential capital offence.[14]
Qatar – illegal (death penalty)[14]
Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)[19][23]
Somalia – illegal (death penalty)[33][34]
Sudan – illegal (death penalty)[35]
Syria[18]
United Arab Emirates – illegal (3 years' imprisonment, flogging, death penalty)[14][36]
Yemen – illegal (death penalty)[14][34]

[CivicBlues]

There's a difference between laws based on a archaic belief system vs "forcing people to subscribe to a belief system." I would suspect most of it's populace agrees with those laws, much as we disagree with them. To continue your logic, all western governments "force" us to be Capitalist consumers and Canada, US, and Europe should be grouped into a monolithic bloc as well, which is ridiculous because we know better.

But please, continue your strawman argument. It's ignoramuses like yourself who refuse to educate themselves on issues and vote in (that is if you even do vote) idiots into office that perpetuate the policies that leave many countries in the Middle East (by that I specifically mean Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Libya) in the mess that they are now.

[Lomac]

Not going to get myself involved in this one, but I just want to say that I love it when CivicBlues decides to make an appearance on here. We may disagree more often than not, but at least he provides some entertainment that's not on a level of CIC or +theone+ and is able to argue on a coherent level.

[Sid Vicious]

There's a difference between laws based on a archaic belief system vs "forcing people to subscribe to a belief system." I would suspect most of it's populace agrees with those laws, much as we disagree with them. To continue your logic, all western governments "force" us to be Capitalist consumers and Canada, US, and Europe should be grouped into a monolithic bloc as well, which is ridiculous because we know better.

But please, continue your strawman argument. It's ignoramuses like yourself who refuse to educate themselves on issues and vote in (that is if you even do vote) idiots into office that perpetuate the policies that leave many countries in the Middle East (by that I specifically mean Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Libya) in the mess that they are now.

uh the whole points of the laws is that they force you via threats of violence to behave in a certain way, or to believe in certain things.

these laws are enforced regularly lol
Middle East - Saudi court spares poet?s life with eight years, 800 lashes - France 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20160203-saudi-arabia-commutes-death-sentence-palestinian-poet-ashraf-fayadh)
Iranian heavy metal band faces possible death penalty for playing music? | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/02/17/iranian-heavy-metal-band-faces-possible-death-penalty-for-playing-music/)

um i don't think you understand what capitalism is lol. the default method of human existence is capitalism, even hunter gatherers practice capitalism. capitalism isn't a belief system...it's a process. worked for money? purchased goods/services? congrats, you're a capitalist

and we do group them into monolithic blocs if they have a high level of monolothic religious thinking. for example, have you heard of "the bible belt?"

yes, i'm sure your vote for the prime minister of Canada REALLY influences foregin policy in the middle east.

fucking LOL...that was easy.

[CivicBlues]

Wow, I don't even know what to say to you anymore. You seriously are hurting from so much ignorance I bet you make your mother cry every night.

We're not here to argue the merits of whether or not Muslim societies and laws are better than Western capitalist societies and laws. We're in agreement there if you can believe that. You're the one who derailed the conversation by bringing up Apostasy laws and beheadings, etc.

I merely stated that if you educated yourself and dropped out of the Donald-Trump-School-of-Deductive-Reasoning, you'd see there are differences between nations that appear to you, exactly the same. I can't fathom why you would argue on the side of continued ignorance (i.e. all Middle Eastern countries are the same), when there's clear differences if you just opened your eyes.

Read more (not only CNN, BBC, Fox News claptrap) and travel more outside of North America and All-inclusive resorts. I've had the benefit (maybe you don't, who knows) and have been able to see first hand that France and Germany, despite their linguistic divide, have more in common culturally, economically, and politically than the neighbors Jordan and Egypt do with each other. However no one confuses the former pair as much as the latter and that's totally based on ignorance.

But then again, I totally forgot I'm arguing with the guy who gets hard at posting every negative story about Syrian refugees he can get his hands on. BrokeBack

[rice cooker]

quinn from homeland said it best. we need to hit the reset button

[CharlesInCharge]

I believe Turkey still has tanks and ground troops digging trenches on Syrian soil... (on top of the recent shelling onto the Kurdish liberators). The NWO proxy wars may still have other wild card elements to keep this war going.
One day we could all wakeup to find that the economy has really hit rock bottom, and a world war around the corner including military drafts. Only a fool would dismiss the possibility as if history doesnt repeat it self.

"Turkish government", burns over 150 people alive.. dont expect the fake 911 news networks to be highlighting the holocaust of the minority Kurds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_TONA8aqP8

[Mr.HappySilp]

Why not everyone just leaves Middle East alone and let them fight among themselves?

[Digitalis]

War in the middle east would jack vancouvers RE prices up even more lolz.:nyan:

[Ball.J.Inder]

In honesty, I'd rather have those guys fighting eachother than getting ourselves involved. I'm all for helping refugees and ending violence, but at the end of the day it is not Canada or the West's responsibility to police the world.

[midnight_r]

In honesty, I'd rather have those guys fighting eachother than getting ourselves involved. I'm all for helping refugees and ending violence, but at the end of the day it is not Canada or the West's responsibility to police the world.

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