[Digitalis]

Are these citizens just being dicks or should they just co-operate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_3dDNPwJTU

[jeedee]

I will never understand these type of people..................

That spend more time trying to "make a point"/warrant themselves unneeded attention/trouble rather than being polite, answering questions properly and be on their way in less than 2 minutes........... :fulloffuck:

[geeknerd]

I think I can empathize with these people. They live under a heavily surveillance-d state, Drones+NSA. The video shows of a guy travelling within USA (not internationally). These are the types of people that prevent the government from surveillance-ing openly vs. at lease trying to look like they aren't.

Notice how they all let him leave because it his right to refuse to answer those questions and they can't do anything about it.

[m3thods]

These people are so annoying. Really annoying.

[GLOW]

i just think of the clip below when there's guys trying to prove a point about what their rights are...

owned by the cop PJSalt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULwPxGSDdBA

[CharlesInCharge]

We live in a police state.
When shit gets real
LiveLeak.com - Inland Border Patrol Checkpoint Unlawful Arrest

[dat_steve]

here, Chuck

http://files.tinypic.pl/i/00610/ysumd1klavg3.jpg

[CharlesInCharge]

I tried to use my so called Canadian freedom and rights after being arbitrarily pulled over by the cops in this police state but to only find out that the Human Right Tribunal was my only option... where as they would decide to take on cases if it was in the public's interest. Good luck with that ZioAmerican "tribunal".

You could try to sue the police, but the government lawyer I consulted with told me that they will charge me their court costs when I lose. So basically you can be hundreds of thousands in debt for just trying to up hold your so call "rights".
Let us remember the Condo guy which the courts made homeless for these kind of lawyer fees.

[dat_steve]

were you pulled over because you were driving your 3D printed house boat car though? I could see that thing really being distracting on the road.

[CharlesInCharge]

Perhaps... it still doesnt excuse the fact that you cant have your day in court in our police state.
They said I was pulled over because I didnt fit the description of the vans owner. A female.

[Nlkko]

I can be wrong but I understand if the cops have probable cause (very loose definition here) they can legally stop and search you and your property. Warrants are only needed to make arrest. Yea, know your rights.

These trolls think they made a point but the officer either don't know his own rights (murica) or just don't want to get his days ruined. If they would have met some solid cops, they would get their ass handed to them.

[CharlesInCharge]

People in the US, except the elite, are under the laws of Washington D.C., not the constitution. \You can look it up, its laws are exclusive as is the 'City of London' and the Vatican.

[vitaminG]

I think I can empathize with these people. They live under a heavily surveillance-d state, Drones+NSA. The video shows of a guy travelling within USA (not internationally). These are the types of people that prevent the government from surveillance-ing openly vs. at lease trying to look like they aren't.

Notice how they all let him leave because it his right to refuse to answer those questions and they can't do anything about it.

imagine all the shit the us govt would do if nobody stood up to them. The FBI wants a back door to your iPhone, you want to just let them take that too?

[CharlesInCharge]

Thats actually all theater... Edward Snowden recently revealed that they can still access the Iphones.
All our computer hard drives also have government firmware to store information in a hidden part of the disk.

[MarkyMark]

These people are just assholes. Seriously, they memorize a couple of lines about their rights and suddenly think they are a lawyer and use it as a tactic to be a prick. If you whip out your phone and record every run in with a cop and spew this bullshit just to show that you can, you are a prick there's no two ways about it. You enjoy the thrill of being a cunt rather than making you and the officers life easier by just answering a question.

[Nightwalker]

So... there's random checkpoints inside the United States that just stop everyone and try to trick people into letting them run their IDs and search their cars? WTF?

[meme405]

One day these people will all need PO's/Law Enforcement/first responders help, be it a car accident, a robbery, or shooting.

On that day maybe they will grow a little respect for the work these individuals do. Or maybe they will be assholes then as well, at that point I hope whoever comes to their help just does the right thing and leaves them for dead. Fucking idiots.

[inv4zn]

lol. Assuming you're not doing anything illegal,

- Get stopped by law enforcement randomly, at checkpoints, whatever.
- Officer asks you "where you going?"

Option 1: "Home"; carry on a brief conversation, actually go home.
Option 2: "I don't have to answer that question. I know my rights..etc"; Immediately draw suspicion, get yanked out of car and searched, have your car searched, traumatize your child, end up on a list, and after an unnecessarily unpleasant time, go home.

I was going to say "seems like a no-brainer", but I forgot most of these people don't actually seem to have a brain.

[ImportPsycho]

We live in a police state.
When shit gets real
LiveLeak.com - Inland Border Patrol Checkpoint Unlawful Arrest (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=691_1426702524)

They could've handled it in more civilized ways...

Imagine if we had these checkpoints in Canada? on your way to work and you have to stop and answer stupid questions every single day?
I'd be very annoyed too.

I have nothing good to say about US border guards, ones at Peach Arch and other ones around here.
They act all tough and try to intimidate you. Ask stupid questions like where do you work and why are you not at work today?

They are worse than cops. I don't like CBSAs too but they are not as bad as these power tripping thugs.

[ilovebacon]

heres one way to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFxijuRjX1U

[Digitalis]

Whats very clear to me is how the majority of people in this thread are of the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. Not surprising I suppose.
Some old guy once told me society is exactly how it should be.
So if the gen pop chooses to not question authority so be it.
Can't wait to see the authority Trudeau will have in play be the time his term is up, make bike boy look like an amateur .:nyan::nyan::nyan:

[Timpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb49GofWCmU

[Mr.Money]

Haha,fucking idiots....all of them.
No wonder why america has so many trump supporters.

[Digitalis]

Give the people what they want. In this case it's more alphabet agencies of enforcement.
Haha,fucking idiots....all of them.
No wonder why america has so many trump supporters.

[meme405]

Whats very clear to me is how the majority of people in this thread are of the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. Not surprising I suppose.

Huh?

No most people in here believe that if you have nothing to hide just answer the fucking questions and move on with your life.

[Vansterdam]

heres one way to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFxijuRjX1U

I tried this with Quran and it didn't work at all... :lawl:

[ancient_510]

Huh?

No most people in here believe that if you have nothing to hide just answer the fucking questions and move on with your life.

Did you check out the banner ads today?

http://i.imgur.com/xIXTRnw.png

[westopher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb49GofWCmU
What a dumb piece of shit that guy is.

[geeknerd]

Can't believe how many people are just straight-out calling the guy an idiot. Imagine if there were dozens of checkpoints along the canadian border. On the 99, fraser hwy, #1 hwy, etc.

That's exactly what these checkpoints are in the video. Checkpoints inside the country.

Now imagine the employees (CBSA, immigrations) acted like they had the right to question you, search you and command you when you know they actually don't. Personally I would comply just to save time and energy but i would definitely be irritated. And for those that stood up for their rights? I would not judge them at all.

[Digitalis]

This is the type of attitude that encourages more checkpoints. Can't lose soon 50% of the population will have a nice cushy gov job while they wonder why the economy is going to sh!t.
Can't believe how many people are just straight-out calling the guy an idiot. Imagine if there were dozens of checkpoints along the canadian border. On the 99, fraser hwy, #1 hwy, etc.

That's exactly what these checkpoints are in the video. Checkpoints inside the country.

Now imagine the employees (CBSA, immigrations) acted like they had the right to question you, search you and command you when you know they actually don't. Personally I would comply just to save time and energy but i would definitely be irritated. And for those that stood up for their rights? I would not judge them at all.

[Mr.Money]

Huh?

No most people in here believe that if you have nothing to hide just answer the fucking questions and move on with your life.

Agree,I couldn't imagine going to a canucks game at rogers arena and start telling the Security guard NO I know my rights!!!..Let me in with Free Will its my right!,This is canada!,not usa! :suspicious: :suspicious: that would def turn 10 seconds into 40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/5yTUD0Z-QAI

[Timpo]

I see some of you guys are saying they should comply to the police or border security if you have nothing to hide or not committing a crime.

Any lawyer would tell you should should never consent to searches and get out of the situation by asking if you're legally detained or free to go.

The reason behind is, so many innocent people comply to the police and consent to searches because they have nothing to hide.

The problem is, police search can be and will be messy.
They will take out your dashboard, seats, door panels, throw all your baggage around, they can do whatever they want to make sure you're not hiding any drugs.
Police is not obligated to reinstall door panels or dashboard for you, also if they throw baggage around and lose/break something, they are also not obligated to pay for the damage.
You might think you can file a lawsuit against the police department, however it will be a several years of battle + the probability of you winning the case is very slim because you have already consent to the searches.

I am not suggesting you should be confrontational or arrogant towards the police officers, you should show some respect, but I am just saying that just because you're not committing a crime or nothing to hide, you shouldn't simply comply to everything they say.

[Digitalis]

Sorry thats not even in the same ballpark. Public road that your tax dollars have paid for vs a private event and establishment.
Agree,I couldn't imagine going to a canucks game at rogers arena and start telling the Security guard NO I know my rights!!!..Let me in with Free Will its my right!,This is canada!,not usa! :suspicious: :suspicious: that would def turn 10 seconds into 40 minutes.
https://youtu.be/5yTUD0Z-QAI

[meme405]

I see some of you guys are saying they should comply to the police or border security if you have nothing to hide or not committing a crime.

Any lawyer would tell you should should never consent to searches and get out of the situation by asking if you're legally detained or free to go.

The reason behind is, so many innocent people comply to the police and consent to searches because they have nothing to hide.

The problem is, police search can be and will be messy.
They will take out your dashboard, seats, door panels, throw all your baggage around, they can do whatever they want to make sure you're not hiding any drugs.
Police is not obligated to reinstall door panels or dashboard for you, also if they throw baggage around and lose/break something, they are also not obligated to pay for the damage.
You might think you can file a lawsuit against the police department, however it will be a several years of battle + the probability of you winning the case is very slim because you have already consent to the searches.

I am not suggesting you should be confrontational or arrogant towards the police officers, you should show some respect, but I am just saying that just because you're not committing a crime or nothing to hide, you shouldn't simply comply to everything they say.

Nobody said you should consent to a search, that's your choice.

But to pull up to a roadblock and plead the fifth, or refuse to tell the officer your name or your citizenship is completely different than consenting to a search.

Now I did consent to a search of my vehicle at a roadblock about a year ago, the officer opened my trunk, closed my trunk, opened my back door looked on the seat, opened my water bottle smelled it, and allowed me on my way.

I knew the exact reason he did that check, because my passenger reaked of booze, and he thought maybe I had open liquor in my car.

So I disagree that they will rip open your dashboard and shit, maybe if your POS stinks of cronik cause you hot boxed the crap out of it and then hit the road.

[vitaminG]

i hate to say it, but this was a pretty good quote from another thread.

It should be policescene.net. Wee woo wee woo look what we got here someone trying to go against the system! get him guys!

[parm104]

I think it's pathetic when people think every situation is so black and white. In other words, you have the die-hard blue supporters who think if ANYONE speaks out against law enforcement or their tactics, they MUST be anti-police.

Well the truth of the matter is, law enforcement in both countries (Canada/US) are public servants. They are hired and paid by the tax payers to serve the public. Not the serve public that complies with every request they make. So the notion of "...we'll see what happens when these people need help from law enforcement one day" is absurd.

Does this mean you should ABUSE law enforcement, mock them, ridicule them? Of course not! But the laws of our countries are designed in such a way that give police officers boundaries to work within. But there is a fundamental difference between a person carrying an assault riffle as he walks on the sidewalk with his open/carry permit to incite police from a driver of a vehicle who is driving down the road and is being asked to comply with targeted requests.

I speak from a perspective today where I rarely get pulled over and hardly experience road blocks. Try and step out of the box for a bit and imagine how a person who gets repeatedly targeted because of the car they drive or the way they look. Would you still comply with every lawful and unlawful order made?

inb4 im labelled a cop hater.

[68style]

I've seen checkpoints in the USA going over things like the Hoover Dam... All they did was put mirrors under the car checking for explosive devices... So if these are how they're being manned now they sure have stepped it up, and not in a good way.

[Digitalis]

I'm sure you'd have no problem unlocking your phone for an officer if he wears his shiny badge and asks nicely right? Do you lock your doors at home? You do? Why? You got a grow op your trying to hide or something?:badpokerface:
Huh?

No most people in here believe that if you have nothing to hide just answer the fucking questions and move on with your life.

[meme405]

I'm sure you'd have no problem unlocking your phone for an officer if he wears his shiny badge and asks nicely right? Do you lock your doors at home? You do? Why? You got a grow op your trying to hide or something?:badpokerface:

You are really fucking dumb.

Theres a difference between rolling down your window fully and politely answering "where are you going", and unlocking your phone for a police officer.

The difference is that the latter I have never been asked by a PO, and the former happens to me all the time.

Out of all the videos posted on here, the police for the most part we're asking reasonable questions, granted I don't really know about these checkpoints or the situation with them. Lets stick to examples here in fucking Vancouver, or atleast Canada where we all live, not some bullshit checkpoints around the mexican border.

I have never come up to a checkpoint here in canada which had anything wrong with it, I've been asked general questions not because the officer cared how my day was, but because that's a nice convenient and less obtrusive way of smelling my breathe for alcohol. Where are you coming from, where are you going to, these are all questions to which 99.9% of the time PO's don't give a fuck the answer, its just a somewhat better question than have you had anything to drink, because it keeps you talking a bit longer than just saying a simple "no", that gives them the correct amount of time to judge if you are impaired. Let be honest somebody fleeing from a bank robbery isn't going to tell the PO the truth, that's not why they ask those questions.

Nobody has ever been able to provide me a clear video from somewhere even remotely local, where someone politely pulled up to a roadside block without having done anything wrong, answer the PO's questions nicely, and ended up getting their ass beat.

Instead we get examples like that kid 3 months back who rolled down his window 2", had weed in the car, and then when the police tells him to step out of the car doesn't comply and gets his window smashed the fuck in.

yeah sure "I wasn't doing anything wrong, no you don't smell weed officer, oh wait that ounce of weed ain't mine". get the fuck out of here.

Police aren't bad people, nobody resigns themselves to some shitty 70k a year job because they are some sort of power tripping sadist. I'd say to a large degree most of them just want to do a good job, and are proud to uphold the laws which keep our society going as opposed to falling into anarchy. Instead they get driven up the wall by loonies who pretend they have a degree in law after watching CSI/Law and order.

Even the cops who hand out shitty VI's or crap speeding tickets, it's not their fault law makers have set speed limits that are crap, or that you can't have front tint on your car. You should take that up with your MP, not some poor officer on the side of the road just doing his fucking job.

I think it's pathetic when people think every situation is so black and white. In other words, you have the die-hard blue supporters who think if ANYONE speaks out against law enforcement or their tactics, they MUST be anti-police.

Agreed, has there been situations where police have previously over stepped their boundaries, absolutely, Rodney king anyone.

I think my main issue currently is that out of all the examples people seem to always give, for the most part the person in the video incites most of the shit they get thrown at them themselves.

Save for that example of that kid on a bike getting hit by that PO downtown, and maybe that cop in west van who was caught speeding as a practical joke. I vaguely remember some PO in west van also drinking and driving and getting let off, that type of stuff is bullshit, this is the type of shit you guys should be furious about.

[parm104]

You are really fucking dumb.

Well that's rude.

Theres a difference between rolling down your window fully and politely answering "where are you going", and unlocking your phone for a police officer.

To you, that's an obvious difference but to me, there is an obvious similarity between both those scenarios. That is, you don't have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to
answer either of those questions.



yeah sure "I wasn't doing anything wrong, no you don't smell weed officer, oh wait that ounce of weed ain't mine". get the fuck out of here.

Is the smell of weed grounds for reasonable suspicion?



Police aren't bad people, nobody resigns themselves to some shitty 70k a year job because they are some sort of power tripping sadist. I'd say to a large degree most of them just want to do a good job, and are proud to uphold the laws which keep our society going as opposed to falling into anarchy. Instead they get driven up the wall by loonies who pretend they have a degree in law after watching CSI/Law and order.

The law is to be upheld and enforced and in doing so, it must be done so legally. You don't get to selectively pick and chose which laws are important enough to enforce and which ones you can bend yourself. I respect an officer's job and obligations to enforce the law but I never condemn bending the law or violating personal rights to obtain an ends, no matter how minor those rights may seem to you. If we bend the rules and let officers search people and try to arrest people unlawfully, we are setting ourselves up for failure as society.

I never support people who make a special effort to incite reactions from officers or any profession really. You're doing something on purpose to get a reaction, and when you get it, you're all offended? I don't support that at all. But I do support a person's individual right to be free from unreasonable search and seizures and arbitrary arrests.

If you value the need for laws to be upheld so bad, why do you condone an unlawful search by a police officer? Are certain classes of people permitted to bend the laws to their favour over others? All that being said, I think there is an appropriate way to have a conversation about this topic and calling someone "fucking dumb" is certainly not the way.

[CRS]

IIRC, the smell of weed is reasonable grounds for a search as it is an indicator of a crime taking place.

[meme405]

The law is to be upheld and enforced and in doing so, it must be done so legally. You don't get to selectively pick and chose which laws are important enough to enforce and which ones you can bend yourself. I respect an officer's job and obligations to enforce the law but I never condemn bending the law or violating personal rights to obtain an ends, no matter how minor those rights may seem to you. If we bend the rules and let officers search people and try to arrest people unlawfully, we are setting ourselves up for failure as society.

I never support people who make a special effort to incite reactions from officers or any profession really. You're doing something on purpose to get a reaction, and when you get it, you're all offended? I don't support that at all. But I do support a person's individual right to be free from unreasonable search and seizures and arbitrary arrests.

If you value the need for laws to be upheld so bad, why do you condone an unlawful search by a police officer? Are certain classes of people permitted to bend the laws to their favour over others? All that being said, I think there is an appropriate way to have a conversation about this topic and calling someone "fucking dumb" is certainly not the way.

I agree with all of this, My view actually syncs almost entirely with yours Parm. Note that I never called you fucking dumb, just digitalis, who is taking what I post to the absolute extreme, he's taking my scenario and applying it to other situations, and as you pointed out every case is different.

I would never condone an unlawful search by police, yes I did mention that I allowed my vehicle to be searched, but that was a personal decision at the time as I felt the reason the officer wanted to search my vehicle was valid.

If you read back you will notice I have only actually made one point over and over in this thread:

1. Be respectful

That means roll down your window fully, not because you have to, but because it makes the interaction much easier for everyone.

Don't be an asshole and make life difficult for the officer for no reason, if you don't want to answer a question in particular, that's fine, but understand you are required to provide identification and proof of registration, the reason for the stop is irrelevant, it has been proven time and time again that police here in Canada can just pull any vehicle over to check for license and registration.

Other than that situations need to be handled case by case and vary depending on the person.

Now the remainder here is my opinion, this is how I have found is the best to handle police, it has worked for me thus far, probably because in general I am a pretty law abiding citizen: There are people who take different approaches to dealing with the police, one method which I disagree with is to be combative with the officer, refusing to answer questions and stuff is fine, but when you are issued a direct order, for example; "step out of the vehicle", I ALMOST always comply. If they ask to search the vehicle I would say "no" in many instances; however if they say "We are going to conduct a search of your vehicle", I ain't gonna try and stop them.

What people need to understand is that the Law is not determined on the side of the road, that's what a court is for. If they do something illegal like getting you out of the car or searching without reasonable suspicion, then court is where that is determined.

You can absolutely do your part, and ask why? You are entitled to that explanation and if you are not given it then your case will get thrown out in due time, but resisting arrest on the side of the street because you have not been given a reason for your arrest I feel is the wrong way to try and uphold the law.

[Digitalis]

I'm sorry for your failure to focus on the topic of the thread. Let me point a couple things out to you.
1. What is the first word of the topic? AMERICAN
2. Just because you chose to ignore the topic and bring in your own ideas about a drunk driving checkpoint clearly makes you the stupid one.
No they are in BRIGHT DAYLIGHT.
Stay the F out of the thread if you dont know what it's about. :stfu:

If you allow law enforcement to operate on a guilty before being proven innocent or "i'm just doing my job leave me alone i'm a robot with no empthy or common sense taking orders from the bossman" is a VERY slippery slope.
You are really fucking dumb.

Theres a difference between rolling down your window fully and politely answering "where are you going", and unlocking your phone for a police officer.

The difference is that the latter I have never been asked by a PO, and the former happens to me all the time.

Out of all the videos posted on here, the police for the most part we're asking reasonable questions, granted I don't really know about these checkpoints or the situation with them. Lets stick to examples here in fucking Vancouver, or atleast Canada where we all live, not some bullshit checkpoints around the mexican border.

I have never come up to a checkpoint here in canada which had anything wrong with it, I've been asked general questions not because the officer cared how my day was, but because that's a nice convenient and less obtrusive way of smelling my breathe for alcohol. Where are you coming from, where are you going to, these are all questions to which 99.9% of the time PO's don't give a fuck the answer, its just a somewhat better question than have you had anything to drink, because it keeps you talking a bit longer than just saying a simple "no", that gives them the correct amount of time to judge if you are impaired. Let be honest somebody fleeing from a bank robbery isn't going to tell the PO the truth, that's not why they ask those questions.

Nobody has ever been able to provide me a clear video from somewhere even remotely local, where someone politely pulled up to a roadside block without having done anything wrong, answer the PO's questions nicely, and ended up getting their ass beat.

Instead we get examples like that kid 3 months back who rolled down his window 2", had weed in the car, and then when the police tells him to step out of the car doesn't comply and gets his window smashed the fuck in.

yeah sure "I wasn't doing anything wrong, no you don't smell weed officer, oh wait that ounce of weed ain't mine". get the fuck out of here.

Police aren't bad people, nobody resigns themselves to some shitty 70k a year job because they are some sort of power tripping sadist. I'd say to a large degree most of them just want to do a good job, and are proud to uphold the laws which keep our society going as opposed to falling into anarchy. Instead they get driven up the wall by loonies who pretend they have a degree in law after watching CSI/Law and order.

Even the cops who hand out shitty VI's or crap speeding tickets, it's not their fault law makers have set speed limits that are crap, or that you can't have front tint on your car. You should take that up with your MP, not some poor officer on the side of the road just doing his fucking job.



Agreed, has there been situations where police have previously over stepped their boundaries, absolutely, Rodney king anyone.

I think my main issue currently is that out of all the examples people seem to always give, for the most part the person in the video incites most of the shit they get thrown at them themselves.

Save for that example of that kid on a bike getting hit by that PO downtown, and maybe that cop in west van who was caught speeding as a practical joke. I vaguely remember some PO in west van also drinking and driving and getting let off, that type of stuff is bullshit, this is the type of shit you guys should be furious about.

[Lomac]

Whats very clear to me is how the majority of people in this thread are of the "guilty until proven innocent" mindset. Not surprising I suppose.
Some old guy once told me society is exactly how it should be.
So if the gen pop chooses to not question authority so be it.
Can't wait to see the authority Trudeau will have in play be the time his term is up, make bike boy look like an amateur .:nyan::nyan::nyan:

Considering I had a stolen car recovered at a random road block, I'm perfectly okay with them. If the thief had simply opted to not answer any questions and didn't try to bluff his way around, I'm sure my car would have been stripped or burnt to the ground a few days later.

And I don't think anyone is saying that we agree with people being guilty before proven innocent. The law is written in such a way in both the USA and Canada that allows police forces to do random road checks. No, it doesn't say that you're required to consent to searches or even answer the questions, but I'm sure many people are willing to answer a couple of quick "Where are you heading" and similar questions instead of making a point by pleading the fifth and just generally being a pain in the ass. If nothing else, you're holding up the line for everyone else behind you who likely has a destination and don't appreciate yet another hold up.

Like someone else shared, I've also consented to a quick search once before. I was also driving a friend home who was very clearly drunk and chances are the officer couldn't tell if the smell of alcohol was coming from just him or me as well. Considering I was run off the road by a drunk driver many years ago and to this day still deal with the resulting injuries, as well as having a friend killed by another drunk driver, I again have no problem with officers doing stuff like that.

People in the US, except the elite, are under the laws of Washington D.C., not the constitution. \You can look it up, its laws are exclusive as is the 'City of London' and the Vatican.

Funny. My family in New York are what you would consider the "1%" and they get stuck in the same road blocks and are bound by the same laws as the rest of the population. Never seen them get treated any differently than the rest of the plebs.

[underscore]

To you, that's an obvious difference but to me, there is an obvious similarity between both those scenarios. That is, you don't have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to answer either of those questions.

While that is true, don't forget the officers don't have a legal obligation to cut you breaks or give you warnings either.

[vitaminG]

Considering I had a stolen car recovered at a random road block, I'm perfectly okay with them. The law is written in such a way in both the USA and Canada that allows police forces to do random road checks.

you might be surprised to know that roadblocks are not in any way meant to check for criminal activity. I have no issue in principle with roadblocks in canada as they are currently used. i would be very much against immigration checkpoints or anything else outside the scope of what is currently allowed.

Random and roadblock stops are saved by s. 1 due to the purpose of the stops. The purpose is road safety which is a broad public concern. These stops are authorised by law to check on matters such as sobriety, licensing, insurance and the mechanical fitness of the vehicle. Further, these stops are designed to be a brief interference with a motorist’s right to travel about freely. However, random stops and roadblocks are limited to these purposes and do not give the police an unchecked power to investigate any and all suspected criminal activity.

[DGN23]

Fuckin idiots. All of them.

[parm104]

While that is true, don't forget the officers don't have a legal obligation to cut you breaks or give you warnings either.

You have now taken the discussion to a completely different level. Because a police officer makes a personal decision not to enforce a fine or violation we should from time to time be accepting to have our constitutional rights violated?

Please...this isn't a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" type of a situation. You're entitled to treat it as such, but at the end of the day, any violation of my rights should not be permitted in our society. The system is setup in such a way so that law enforcement and our judicial system can deal with scenarios without having to resort to constitutional violations.

[CharlesInCharge]

... because our governments are not morally bankrupt and spread democracy around the world. Can you smell the freedom?
...

Funny. My family in New York are what you would consider the "1%" and they get stuck in the same road blocks and are bound by the same laws as the rest of the population. Never seen them get treated any differently than the rest of the plebs. YouTubevideo\ChrisRock difference between rich and wealthy.

[Lomac]

you might be surprised to know that roadblocks are not in any way meant to check for criminal activity. I have no issue in principle with roadblocks in canada as they are currently used. i would be very much against immigration checkpoints or anything else outside the scope of what is currently allowed.

Yup. The guy was caught trying to pass himself off as me when he handed my insurance papers over without a driver's license. :lol

[underscore]

You have now taken the discussion to a completely different level. Because a police officer makes a personal decision not to enforce a fine or violation we should from time to time be accepting to have our constitutional rights violated?

Please...this isn't a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" type of a situation. You're entitled to treat it as such, but at the end of the day, any violation of my rights should not be permitted in our society. The system is setup in such a way so that law enforcement and our judicial system can deal with scenarios without having to resort to constitutional violations.

If you considering politely answering some basic questions a violation of your rights then you're a looney.

[Digitalis]

See how you feel about if you got stopped by a impromptu broad day light checkpoint once or twice a week. Does that make you feel "safer"? I bet it does. Especially if they were open carrying. :chairdance::chairdance::chairdance:
If you considering politely answering some basic questions a violation of your rights then you're a looney.

[Ronin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb49GofWCmU

I was pulled over last weekend. Ran a red left turn signal. Honestly didn't notice. It was about 2:30am on Saturday.

Cop pulls me over, tells me what I did, I tell him I honestly didn't see it.

"Have you been drinking?"

"I had a couple beers at dinner but that was at around 9pm."

So he reads me the thing and tells me I need to do a breathalyzer. I blow a 0.

"By the way, I like your car!" (pointing at my Golf) "I like the OEM-plus look you VW guys do."

"YES. Thank you! That's exactly what I was going for!"

We talk for a bit about cars...he says he's a RS lurker and has been to our meets before. Says thanks for not lying to him about having beers for dinner. 90% of people lie to him in this situation.

"Well, I really didn't have a reason to."

"Okay, have a good night!" <fist bump> and I'm on my way. He could've given me a ticket for running the red but didn't.

Now, I could've been a dick like these guys citing my rights and whatever...

[Ronin]

Seriously, I haven't gotten a ticket in the longest time. It's not that I haven't been pulled over but I treat every cop like they're just doing their job. I mean, I did something stupid and I deserved a ticket but you're much more likely to get a ticket if you're being a douche about it.

Border cops I sort of get because most of the time they're just preventing Asian aunties from bringing weird foods into the country but DUI? Are we really against cops stopping drunk drivers?

[geeknerd]

And I don't think anyone is saying that we agree with people being guilty before proven innocent. The law is written in such a way in both the USA and Canada that allows police forces to do random road checks. No, it doesn't say that you're required to consent to searches or even answer the questions, but I'm sure many people are willing to answer a couple of quick "Where are you heading" and similar questions instead of making a point by pleading the fifth and just generally being a pain in the ass. If nothing else, you're holding up the line for everyone else behind you who likely has a destination and don't appreciate yet another hold up.

Like someone else shared, I've also consented to a quick search once before. I was also driving a friend home who was very clearly drunk and chances are the officer couldn't tell if the smell of alcohol was coming from just him or me as well. Considering I was run off the road by a drunk driver many years ago and to this day still deal with the resulting injuries, as well as having a friend killed by another drunk driver, I again have no problem with officers doing stuff like that.



Funny. My family in New York are what you would consider the "1%" and they get stuck in the same road blocks and are bound by the same laws as the rest of the population. Never seen them get treated any differently than the rest of the plebs.

I know what you are trying to say but that statement irks me. If one is acting within their legal rights, it's the police holding everyone up, not the law abiding citizen.

[geeknerd]

I was pulled over last weekend. Ran a red left turn signal. Honestly didn't notice. It was about 2:30am on Saturday.

Cop pulls me over, tells me what I did, I tell him I honestly didn't see it.

"Have you been drinking?"

"I had a couple beers at dinner but that was at around 9pm."

So he reads me the thing and tells me I need to do a breathalyzer. I blow a 0.

"By the way, I like your car!" (pointing at my Golf) "I like the OEM-plus look you VW guys do."

"YES. Thank you! That's exactly what I was going for!"

We talk for a bit about cars...he says he's a RS lurker and has been to our meets before. Says thanks for not lying to him about having beers for dinner. 90% of people lie to him in this situation.

"Well, I really didn't have a reason to."

"Okay, have a good night!" <fist bump> and I'm on my way. He could've given me a ticket for running the red but didn't.

Now, I could've been a dick like these guys citing my rights and whatever...

What rights could you have pulled that allowed you to go without letting the police do anything? Totally different scenarios than what we are discussing imo.

[parm104]

If you considering politely answering some basic questions a violation of your rights then you're a looney.

"Where are you coming from"

"Where are you going?"

"Who were you with" etc.

These are the types of questions I would certainly think are questions that would violate my rights.

As for a DUI road block, the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that they are a violation of Section 8. However, it may be a justified intrusion under Section 1.

As for the U.S., the backdrop for most of the videos we see online, there are at least 10 States that have declared road blocks to be a Constitutional infringement.

I think you're mistaking "what I [think]" and "what is the [law]." Even if the law said that a DUI road block was UNCONSTITUTIONAL, that doesn't mean that I agree that it's an unnecessary intrusion and a burden on my night. However, what violates a constitutional right is not something "personal," it either does or it doesn't and in the scenarios we are discussing, by law, rights are violated by yes, even simple, polite questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fao8AKjQne8

Above is a link to a video of a man being pulled over in Vancouver. This is not an example of a provoker who goes around looking for police officers to troll. Is this a violation of any rights?

[Ronin]

What rights could you have pulled that allowed you to go without letting the police do anything? Totally different scenarios than what we are discussing imo.

You could sit there and refuse to comply...which is basically what most of these videos are doing.

"I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, FACIST PIG!"

"...okay, I just asked 'How are you?' but sure..."

[meme405]

"Where are you coming from"

"Where are you going?"

"Who were you with" etc.

These are the types of questions I would certainly think are questions that would violate my rights.

Why are people so hung up on what question they choose to ask?

As I said earlier unless you plan on answering with "I am just heading home from a bank robbery", they don't give a fuck the answer you are going to give. It's just a more sincere question than asking "Have you had anything to drink tonight" 1000 times in a night.

The cops are just trying to get a smell of your breath, they really don't give a fuck to hear your life story. The funny part is answering with "I don't want to answer that question" Raise more suspicion than answering the damn question. Like I said, how often are you driving home from killing your Ex-Wife and you get stopped at a road block? Why are you so scared of answering where you are coming from?

[dat_steve]

Like I said, how often are you driving home from killing your Ex-Wife and you get stopped at a road block? Why are you so scared of answering where you are coming from?

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/promo/2013/05/13/oj-simpson-prison-new-x-large.jpg

[parm104]

Why are people so hung up on what question they choose to ask?
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Like I said...

I am not sharing my personal beliefs here. I'm simply stating how the law is set forth. I live the type of lifestyle where I do not need to worry about anything I say to an officer who pulls me over or stops me during a road block. I don't drink so I don't worry about road blocks either. Never have I been breathalyzed or had to do a sobriety test and I likely never will have to.

I am simply speaking from a legal stand point of what is permitted in the eyes of the law and what is questionable. You and I for the most part are seeing eye to eye but I think you're getting side tracked when I start talking about the legal aspect of road blocks and whether they infringe and rights. Underscore however seems to have the ignorant viewpoint of if someone disagrees with police tactics, he must therefore hate blue.

It's important to remember that something can violate your constitutional rights and still be permitted and justified under the law.

[Monkey.King]

Why are people so hung up on what question they choose to ask?

As I said earlier unless you plan on answering with "I am just heading home from a bank robbery", they don't give a fuck the answer you are going to give. It's just a more sincere question than asking "Have you had anything to drink tonight" 1000 times in a night.

The cops are just trying to get a smell of your breath, they really don't give a fuck to hear your life story. The funny part is answering with "I don't want to answer that question" Raise more suspicion than answering the damn question. Like I said, how often are you driving home from killing your Ex-Wife and you get stopped at a road block? Why are you so scared of answering where you are coming from?

Bram stfu. I've read your posts and all you do is humble troll and talk shit on multiple forums. You have the most condescending demeanour towards others on forums as if everyone is inferior to you.

Fuck you Bram you ugly piece of shit. You are nothing but an internet warrior.

You've been doing this for a pretty long time now too, so I've decided to create an account just for you buddy. I'm sure you don't want anything to happen to your precious Brianna right?

So treat people with some decency on the forums and stop this macho ignorant attitude.

[CRS]

Bram stfu. I've read your posts and all you do is humble troll and talk shit on multiple forums. You have the most condescending demeanour towards others on forums as if everyone is inferior to you.

Fuck you Bram you ugly piece of shit. You are nothing but an internet warrior.

You've been doing this for a pretty long time now too, so I've decided to create an account just for you buddy. I'm sure you don't want anything to happen to your precious Brianna right?

So treat people with some decency on the forums and stop this macho ignorant attitude.

Calling someone an internet warrior then a couple sentences later threatens Brianna.

Hypocrite much?