[CL typeS]

After finally getting a place and getting a car for the wife, Ive finally saved up enough to buy a 2nd car for myself, whoop whoop! :chairdance: Looking to pickup a car for fun times on the weekend and trackdays and what not. Im looking at either the S2k or ITR. Before Ive had a BB6 prelude, GSR, e36 m3, e90 335i, so I have decent exposure to some cars. I know I definitely don't want german again, too many issues for my own comfort.

Both these cars are well built within Honda's prime and very reliable, and Ive always had a soft spot for the ITR cuz I couldn't get one in my younger days and Ive loved the look, especially with the JDM front. But I've always desired the way the the s2k handles, and the body styling. I've driven a friends before and it definitely feels like its on tracks when you need to corner.

I have a budget around $22kish give or take a few, and I know these cars are both somewhat within range. I know this will probably be the last "fun" car I will have before kids come out and I'll be 40 driving a mini van lol. Will mainly use it for track and weekend cruising, no need to drive other people so a 2 seater for me and the wife is fine.

If there are any other fun cars for recommendation, feel free, but jdm pref.

[jasonturbo]

S2k, if you were to drive both cars back to back and pick the ITR I would be shocked.

ITR ownership is all about nostalgia IMO, the S2K is a far better overall car.

[JDMEK9]

I daily a CTR and have a s2 for the weekend, I would say go for the ITR if you need it for a dd. if not, my vote goes for the s

[nsx042003]

s2k. FR>FF.

but I'd own both if I can. :D

[white rocket]

You really gotta love the ITR to give it higher marks than an S2K. If it wasn't so tight in the S2K cabin I'd own one. Pound for pound, the S2K is the better car.

Having said that, it really depends on what you can get for $22K. Both cars boast high price tags nowadays but the S2K has slightly less hype. That may steer you towards one.

[flagella]

Since 2 seater works for you, this shouldn't even be a question. Take s2k and don't even look back. I know there's a giant thread boasting the capability of ITR but honestly it's overblown to the max. As jasonturbo said, ITR is more of a nostalgia thing. There are some decent s2ks floating around on Craigslist so check those out.

[vitaminG]

Personally I'd get an frs and have a way newer car for the money. You could easily daily it if you had too as well

[DEADBEA7]

I've had both as my only car before, and without hesitating I'd choose the S2K all over again. Practicality aside, you wont regret your choice when you first take it out during a beautiful day.


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[DGN23]

S2000 for all the reasons above. I'm not up to date on the market for either but I feel like you'd have an easier time finding a better sorted S2K than an ITR. Best of luck in your decision.

[!e.lo_]

as your second car, S2K

pretty much downside to the S2K is the size. but it's not your daily so whatever.

[Euro7r]

If I had the space and extra money, I'd pick up an S2000 in a heartbeat if I could. Life and it's priorities...

[threezero]

Personally I'd get an frs and have a way newer car for the money. You could easily daily it if you had too as well

as a frs owner i vote s2k for OP.

[prolepsis]

Echo what everyone else said. S2000.

When checking out S2Ks, try sitting in the passenger seat as well, especially if your wife is going to be in the car with you a lot.

Because of x-bone frame, there's a "bar" that runs across the floor where someone's feet naturally lands. When I had my S2K, my wife found it uncomfortable for the passenger and often felt that she'd either have to put her feet forward or "step on" the bar.

You can see the bar in the image here.

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/gallery/page__module__images__section__img_ctrl__img__1919 37__file__med

[Gerbs]

^ so that's what that hump on the floor is.

[twitchyzero]

congrats on OP at being in that part of your life...house...2 cars....healthy amount for a fun car before worrying about kids :joy::nicethread:

[VR6GTI]

S2000 for all the reasons above. I'm not up to date on the market for either but I feel like you'd have an easier time finding a better sorted S2K than an ITR. Best of luck in your decision.

Hard to find both

[twitchyzero]

i'm biased but when I was shopping for both I knew the ITR is the more special car. Definitely a bad case of nostalgia but the lightweight everything represented Honda at its peak in their racing expertise that finally trickled down to vehicles that regular joes can afford when they released the Integra/Civic Type-R

I agree with everyone else though that S2K is a better bang for your buck. I'd even argue it's more over a driver's car but I feel the purity/rawness of the R is still superior.

Others who've have lots of seat time on the track in both cars seem to suggest ITR is an easier car to drive near its limit. May be someone with that experience can chime in again.

[tegra7]

if you're tall stay away from the s2k. I'm 6'2 and can not comfortably drive one.

[jasonturbo]

if you're tall stay away from the s2k. I'm 6'2 and can not comfortably drive one.

Common complaint, there is a well known trick that involves dropping the seat pan down, guys 6'4" seem to manage just fine with a quick mod.

Lowering the drivers seat. - S2KI Honda S2000 Forums (http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/50658-lowering-the-drivers-seat/page__view__findpost__p__581241)

[Gerbs]

^ I'm 6'4 and I drove it about 5 - 6 times. I find it nice and comfy other than the steering wheel being nonadjustable.

[flagella]

I had been an s2k owner and active member of s2ki forum for 7 years. Never really seen people mentioning height as an issue. It is a car that is not very tolerant of driver mistakes, particularly in rain. It's a tail happy car so probably takes more driver skills to push than an ITR.

OP, I think the answer is pretty clear.

[Traum]

With a $22k budget, I am really not sure how good an AP2 you could get, assuming that they show up in that price range in the first place. You might have to throw in a few additional grands to make an AP2 purchase happen.

As one alternative, I'd also recommend the OP to consider a WRX or STI. Your list of past vehicles hasn't included anything AWD, and I'd say rounding your experience out with one could prove to be enjoyable. The low CG afforded by the Boxer engine, the insane grip, and the way the car catapults itself out of a turn are best experienced 1st hand, than to have it described to you by somebody else. These cars have also been thoroughly proven at the track, so you'd be able to use them there.

I know the OP mentioned that he prefers something Japanese, but I'd also throw my next suggestion in for good measure -- a C5 Corvette. As "crude" as an American car might be, the LSx engine is still a very endearing gem -- mash that gas pedal in any gear, at any rpm, and you will understand. The car has been around long enough that all common problems have been identified, and remedies developed. It is also a tried and true machine for track / motorsports use, and parts and aftermarket support is nothing short of phenomenal.

[ncrx]

i do not own an s2k, but i codrive one at autox which i've had a hand in sharing costs and building the car.

i'm 5'11, 185. we've got a bucket seat in there and there's limited buckets that fit. i find the cabin clusterphobic, i personally could not daily the car. it is loud, droney, and tight if you're a bigger fellow.

theres a certain s2k tax, if you are interested in modifying, it is not an ultra expensive car to modify, but it is not cheap by any means for anything remotely good.

ie. shocks - 6k usd, sway bar 800 usd, bolts ons 3-4k usd, tune 1000 usd, wheels 1000usd, brakes 600-2600 usd, bushings 1000 usd etc and the price climbs..

now from a driving perspective, you cannot find a better car for around 20k that is this fun. the engine is great, the handling is amazing, the active rear killing you feature is great.

the car will teach you a lot of things, extremely rewarding to drive, and super super fun as a toy.

it is also ultra reliable.

pick an 06 up ap2v2 if you can, way easier to get the ecu flashed. else the 04-05 you can piggy back. the car is a completely different animal with a header and a tune, much easier to drive, way more torquey down low, makes it more livable and easier to race with.

just my experience

cars to cross shop
frs as previously mentioned - do not love this engine, it is also made of glass
nc miata with hard top - if no racing duty required, a nice option, not as gutsy as the s2k, but equally fun much roomier inside. else the softop with rollbar is a great car, now an nb with kswap will run you about 25k.. :P
370z - its a fun fun car to drive, great torque, a dated interior though, a touch on the portly side

i personally dislike awd cars, as i came from one. expensive to take care of and always breaking down when older, also the boxers are made of glass if subjected to performance use. see frs
but the straightline performance is hard to argue with, awd is useless 99% of the year imo

[tofu1413]

^ but awd.... Could nail on the throttle coming out of corner earlier... Even on the street :lawl:

Dat slingshot traction advantage on higher power AWD cars :megusta:

[TouringTeg]

S2K is a perfect weekend car. I have to agree that I found it claustrophobic as a daily. A joy to drive with the top down. RWD with more modern interior and features.

ITR has a nicely balanced chassis and very forgiving at the limit. Track focused yet spacious and easy to drive daily. ITR was limited production and even fewer are still on the roads. I have shown my car to a couple of local Honda lovers and their reactions were priceless. To others the car is invisible.

Both great cars with Honda reliability. You can't go wrong with either one. The hard part is finding a clean one within your budget.

[freelunch]

ITR is a special car, just the ideal mix that Honda got right. That being said, I think the S2000 is the better sports car overall. Its actually got me thinking of selling my ITR and getting a nice S2000 to play with.

[teggy604]

I think they both perform well at the track. S2000 being your typical sports car layout.
Even on weekends and track days, its always good to have some trunk space for tools, extra tires, oil, and other stuff you bring to the track.

[SumAznGuy]

I've owned, tracked and autoX'd both.
NCRX is correct and wrong at the same time.
Koni yellow's are the same price for both cars.
Sway bars are the same price for both cars.
Both are not must haves if one isn't too serious about autoX.
Brake pads cost about the same but S2k rotors are slightly more expensive.
S2k tires cost a tad more since you will most likely want 17's while the ITR is better with 15's.
Finding used B series parts is much easier and cheaper than S2k parts but that means S2k will get better resale when you decide to unmodify the car.


I'd go S2k because normal DD'ing, the car acts like a Civic. Easy to drive, good on gas.

I'd say no to ITR's because you will live in constant fear that the car will not be there when you come out of the BBT place.
Or you wake up in the morning and the door is wide open and everything inside the car has been stolen.

[swfk]

^ I live in constant fear that my hardtop will get stolen even though I have a lock. When the hardtop is off, I live in constant fear that the soft top will get slashed.

But anywho I know the car would still be there lol

I've driven the DC2 and I'm by no means a great driver. I enjoyed the high revving and fast response, quick turn in etc. All those characteristics I also found when I bought my 05' AP2V1 with throttle cable. Personally not a fan of DBW 06+

[SumAznGuy]

^ I live in constant fear that my hardtop will get stolen even though I have a lock. When the hardtop is off, I live in constant fear that the soft top will get slashed.

But anywho I know the car would still be there lol

I've driven the DC2 and I'm by no means a great driver. I enjoyed the high revving and fast response, quick turn in etc. All those characteristics I also found when I bought my 05' AP2V1 with throttle cable. Personally not a fan of DBW 06+

Surprisingly, I never had those fears when I had my hardtop on or with the softtop when the top was off.
I've even parked overnight with the top down.

I've yet to drive an 06+ so i am not sure how much of a difference the feel is, but I do like my Ap1 steering rack more.
But in the end, it's all personal. I do like the idea of the 06+ being able to be flashed and getting gains with mild mods and a better throttle response.

[mr00jimbo]

S2000. Would be so fun to wind that engine up and could use higher RPMs around town. It would be like a street legal go-kart.

I'd love to just drive one some day; while I love my Mustang GT, it has so much power that it's impossible to wind the engine up to the higher RPM range.

[Fafine]

Don't s2k come with forged internals stock?
Boost it bb

[tegra7]

^In b4 mustang memes

[CL typeS]

Thanks RS, seems like the choice is pretty clear! I have to agree though, although finding a clean well maintained s2k is hard, I think finding an ITR is even harder. Hopefully I can wait out long enough for USD to drop and pick one up down there as they have so much more choices than we have up here. I just wished I had a chance to drive an ITR to see if I can compare it with the S2K to see how different they really respond under limit.

As for fitment issues, I'm not a big guy by any means 5'10, so cabin room is not really an issue and it wont be my daily. Now the hard part is really finding one that is somewhere within budget. Seems like a well maintained, documented, mint AP2 are going for $25k now..sigh :drunk:


I've driven the DC2 and I'm by no means a great driver. I enjoyed the high revving and fast response, quick turn in etc. All those characteristics I also found when I bought my 05' AP2V1 with throttle cable. Personally not a fan of DBW 06+

Is there really that much of a difference? I've not only heard it from you but a few other owners also, most ppl say that 04 05 was the best year, and some say 06 and up since you can tune.

[SumAznGuy]

If 22K is your budget, there is that $16.5K ITR on CL that should fit your bill.
But since you've had a GSR before, then I say skip the ITR and go S2K.
Honestly, the ITR isn't THAT different from the GSR.

Only real noticable difference is the LSD tranny.

[wingies]

I'd vote s2k all the way, that thing is so fun to drive. But you really cant drive it like a grandma though, keeping the revs up high is where it loves to be. Anything under 3000 revs and the soccer mom in her sienna is gonna smoke you lol. But really the car handles like a go-cart, it turns like its on rails even with the stock suspension.

Yea the ITR is also more rare, but the same could be said about a low mileage clean S2k. Both are appreciating in value, especially if you find a good one and keep it clean. Enjoy the life without kids while you can OP! One day you might be the soccer dad in the sienna looking over with envy at a young couple with his s2000 :)

[20psi]

S2K ALL day!

[TouringTeg]

Soccer dad with an ITR checking in.

It's funny I get thumbs up from Honda drivers and just yesterday a guy in a new Civic Si 4 door wanted to stop light drag race while I have my daughter in her baby seat lol

Lesson here is enjoy life before you have kids. Especially sleeping in

[dmal92191]

I own a black Honda s2000 that I'm currently looking to sell. It's in great condition and I know you'll love the drive. I enjoyed taking it out on the weekends and sunny days just to drive with the top down. A beautiful car indeed that is built for cruising

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/cto/5542541805.html