[Harvey Specter]

:facepalm:

CTV Vancouver
Published Friday, May 6, 2016 12:40PM PDT

A 22-year-old new driver has been dinged with a $486 fine after police allegedly clocked him street racing at almost 100 kilometres over the speed limit through Metro Vancouver.

The young man, who is still in B.C.’s graduated licensing program, was first spotted zooming down Highway 1 through Surrey in a 2008 Infiniti G37 early Thursday morning.

Mounties said a traffic officer started following the car after catching it going 140 kilometres an hour near the 152nd Street off-ramp, only for the driver to accelerate even faster for an apparent race with another vehicle.

“As the officer attempted to close the distance between himself and the Infiniti, he noted that this vehicle appeared to be jockeying for side by side position with a second vehicle,” the RCMP said in a release.

The cars eventually hit a recklessly dangerous 197 km/h in a 100-kilometre zone, according to Mounties.

One driver escaped off the 176th Street off-ramp, but the Infiniti was pulled over near the 192nd Street exit.

The driver, an Abbotsford resident, was ticketed for excessive speeding, handed a 15-day driving ban, and his car was impounded for a week.

Investigators are searching for witnesses who can help identify the second vehicle involved in the apparent street race.

Anyone who was going down Highway 1 from 152nd Street to 176th Street around 1:20 a.m. Thursday is asked to call the Port Mann Traffic Services at 604-526-9744.

[trollguy]

people gotta speed with caution.. sheesh.

no better place and time for a roll on imo, just bad luck lol

[!e.lo_]

https://youtu.be/rqMi5DxARJ8?t=1m14s

nope

[Jmac]

22, still has his N, does 100 km/h over the speed limit ...

Sounds like a real winner.

[68style]

Ain't nuthin but a G thang

[swiftshift]

Situation could have been worse..
Either get into a fatal crash or get pulled and impounded..
Life lesson regardless
Glad to see RCMP was able to stop them and reduce the risk of more potential danger on the road..

[ZN6]

Won't be long before we see a thread on how to dispute this ticket because the cop wrote his name wrong on the ticket and how it will hold up in court.

[Akinari]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

[Mr.C]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

I was honestly surprised that was it.

[Manic!]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

That's just a start. More costs to come including losing drivers license.

[capt_slo]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

It is more than just the $486.

If he doesn't get it thrown out or reduced, he should be looking at a towing charge, possibly impound storage fee, ICBC's DRP for $320 and the penalty point premiums.

I think there's a 3 point limit on N drivers so if he has had any other tickets this, he can be open to suspension and sent back to L.

[dared3vil0]

He got a 15 day driving prohibition according to the province.

[vitaminG]

$468 and a couple knees to the rib

[Soundy]

$468 and a couple knees to the rib

That only happens to bikers.

[bcrdukes]

Not bad. Time to get a G37. :accepted:

[nsx042003]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

that's just roadside, more shit will come after from motor vehicle superintendent of a further ban, and the amount of money needed to reinstate licence (after quite some time of course)

[asma123]

Tbh these speeds are nothing. It just really depends on traffic and weather. If it's clear then imo it should be ok. Try driving in Germany. 200km/h is the average. I really wish I could drive as fast as I did there. Good times

[underscore]

^ Sure, if you want everyone to have to take German-style license tests, and German-level vehicle inspections to the tune of a bunch of extra money.

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

That's not even the highest ticket amount, is there no excessive speed mark beyond 40 over?

[twitchyzero]

200kph
22yo
G37
we know where this is headin' :troll:

[Nlkko]

Tbh these speeds are nothing. It just really depends on traffic and weather. If it's clear then imo it should be ok. Try driving in Germany. 200km/h is the average. I really wish I could drive as fast as I did there. Good times

Guys we found the other driver.

[FerrariEnzo]

He got a 15 day driving prohibition according to the province.
15days is a joke for someone who has no regard for innocent people's lives...

Guys we found the other driver.
link?

[Ferra]

Wait...
why this guy only gets a $486 ticket and a 15 days impound going 100km/h over??
I remember few years back those Ferrari going 100 over had their $200K cars forfeited and auctioned off..?

[Jmac]

Wait...
why this guy only gets a $486 ticket and a 15 days impound going 100km/h over??
I remember few years back those Ferrari going 100 over had their $200K cars forfeited and auctioned off..?
See below. Police don't have that power.
that's just roadside, more shit will come after from motor vehicle superintendent of a further ban, and the amount of money needed to reinstate licence (after quite some time of course)

[dn53]

after the ticket you get hit with the impound fee, which usually ends up being a $100 tow depending where you are and around $25 for each day you are impounded. With the Drivers Risk penalty it ends up being $320 each year for 3 consecutive years.

so yes, its substantially more than $486

edit: ^ oops i missed discusssing this

[Galactic_Phantom]

It is more than just the $486.

If he doesn't get it thrown out or reduced, he should be looking at a towing charge, possibly impound storage fee, ICBC's DRP for $320 and the penalty point premiums.

I think there's a 3 point limit on N drivers so if he has had any other tickets this, he can be open to suspension and sent back to L.

If the person is found legally not guilty, its bs that the accused has to pay for all the storage and tow fees. I'm not saying this is the case at hand, but this system is so flawed.

[ijaz_97]

Yo buddy fawwwkkk rippin it 200 in my g37 yo

[dared3vil0]

Your profile pic is a G37 with an N.

Lol

[Timpo]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

The guy was extremely lucky for getting away with it for $486 ticket, ICBC Insurance Premium, towing fee, 15 day storage fee, and mild inconvenience for not having a car for mere 15 days.
While it may cost him grand total of approx $2,000, it's not significant that it will change his life.

Street Racing is under Criminal Code of Canada just like DUI, not a Motor Vehicle Act like speeding ticket.
An Act to amend the Criminal Code (street racing) and to make a consequential amendment to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/annualstatutes/2006_14/FullText.html)

Speeding tickets are no big deal. It's simply a regulatory matter and if you break the speed limit, you're violator of regulation. However Street Racing, DUI, etc. are criminal matter and you will be treated as criminal.

If RCMP officer decides to prosecute this guy for Street Racing, if convicted, he will be in prison for up to 5 years.
It will also come with criminal record, which obviously will give you problems finding jobs and travelling overseas.

[Timpo]

Wait...
why this guy only gets a $486 ticket and a 15 days impound going 100km/h over??
I remember few years back those Ferrari going 100 over had their $200K cars forfeited and auctioned off..?

Speeding ticket price in BC isn't particularly low.

Look at Motor Vehicle Act in Yukon.
MVA Section 137, 139 and 140
Motor Vehicles Fines and Demerit Points - Highways and Public Works- Government of Yukon (http://www.hpw.gov.yk.ca/mv/mvdr_fines_points.html)

0-15km/h over the speed limit: $25
15-30km/h over the speed limit: $40
30-50km/h over the speed limit: $75
50km/h+ over the speed limit: $200

[Mr.Money]

ICBC is the winner in the end,i know this Loser who's female and training to become a doctor doing stupid shit like this....she crashed a brand new mustang,After first of all getting caught doing 130 in a school zone once with a 400 dollar fine.....her insurance a month now after all said and done...$980 a month.

[nsx042003]

ICBC is the winner in the end,i know this Loser who's female and training to become a doctor doing stupid shit like this....she crashed a brand new mustang,After first of all getting caught doing 130 in a school zone once with a 400 dollar fine.....her insurance a month now after all said and done...$980 a month.

pic? :badpokerface:

[Digitalis]

pic? :badpokerface:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/04/26218F1D00000578-2978573-Two_cars_were_reportedly_involved_in_the_accident_ police_said_Th-m-12_1425440913023.jpg
:megusta:

[westopher]

G37 would spend its whole tank of gas before it could hit 200km/h.
Story is misleading.
Edit: also, wow.... legit post by timpo.

[Mancini]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

Excessive speeding fines did get quadrupled in 2010. In addition to the initial ticket you have to deal with towing fees, impoundment fees, about $900 in points and getting yourself home. I estimate that the true cost of a 40 over ticket is about $2,000. Higher if you're far from home and you need to buy a round trip airplane ticket.

[Reeyal]

G37 would spend its whole tank of gas before it could hit 200km/h.
[...]

Not true... :badpokerface:

[Timpo]

Not true... :badpokerface:

Yeah G37 can hit 157mph (252km/h) then rev limiter kicks in
so yea, way more than 200km/h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1OfrWT4qk

[Manic!]

Yeah G37 can hit 157mph (252km/h) then rev limiter kicks in
so yea, way more than 200km/h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1OfrWT4qk

Clearly that's photoshoped.

[kkthind]

you know what they say, 200 is the new 100 :badpokerface:

[Shorn]

it's actually kind of bullshit..

back when i was young(er) and stupid, i passed by an unmarked police car doing 110 on oak bridge (i actually thought the speed limit was 80 cause that's what everyone else drove..)
since it was more than 40 over the speed limit (60), got the same exact fine and ticket as this guy, as well as car impounded and insurance premiums etc.

somehow i feel like there should be more punishment for this case.. but ever since the new law they just group everyone who does 40 over into one category which is kind of stupid

[prudz]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

If you think that feel free to move to Alberta. Let me know how you feel after 1 year of living there even if you don't speed. Harsher tickets are not the answer. Education and driver awareness is the only way. Just look at what is happening in Edmonton right now. The city gained control of the Photo radar program and is making crazy profits off of it using "safety" as the backbone argument yet numbers for speeding etc have not decreased. Photo radar traps on every other light for doing 5-10km/hr over the posted limits ($130), 50km/hr over is $2500 ticket, 30 day suspension, impounded car and a court date where the fine can increase yet people still speed 50+. Red light radar, stop sign photo radar traps, sound radar (in the works for loud exhaust). Take my advice, DO NOT advocate increasing fines for the few outliers. It snowballs into that shit.

I love BC because I don't have this horrible uneasy feeling a trip to the grocery store is going to cost me $130 if I take my car.

[Curren$y]

Is it just me, or do almost all of our BC driving violation fines seem way too lenient? Nevermind the ridiculously pocket-change-like $167 for distracted driving, $486 for street racing while possessing a New Driver license? That's not scaring anyone, the guy will continue doing the same shit as soon as he gets his car back. How about doubling or tripling that and see the reaction?

The excessive speeding ends up being way more than $486 because you pay for the impound storage fees, towing and 3 years dangerous drivers premium. Ends up being close to $2000. I got one in my younger goon days (not nearly as bad, was doing 100 km/h in a BS 60km/h zone)...definitely learned my lesson.

[Timpo]

Let's face it, the vast majority of speed limits are bullshit.
(school zone excluded)

We know that safest speed limit to set is 85th percentile.
Yet government is happy to set the speed limit at 0th percentile on many major roads.

Setting speed limit lower than flow of traffic is much more dangerous than setting it higher.
The government is encouraging people to slow down, which put people in danger of causing accidents.

When someone tries to drive 10km/h slower than the flow of traffic(not speed limit), the probability of this person causing an accident is higher than someone trying to drive 10km/h faster than the flow of traffic.

Police officers can virtually pull over 100% of driver out there for "speeding" which shows that speed limit is just way too low.
I have a problem with this because these low speed limits do not contribute to safety.

This is one of the reason why so many people hate cops, speeding tickets are nothing but cash grab in many cases. I'm not talking about street racing or wreckless driving, please don't mix them up with regular "speeding".
I'm talking about when cops pull over people that are driving to work at the speed of within 85th percentile.

Coquihalla Highway became safer after raising the speed limit
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coquihalla-highway-safer-1-year-after-speed-limit-raised-says-transportation-minister-1.3133913

and we all have seen this video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKdbxX1pDw

[Nlkko]

Driving regulation and enforcement of it here in Van is pretty lax. Don't complain. We have it great here.

[Reeyal]

If you think that feel free to move to Alberta. Let me know how you feel after 1 year of living there even if you don't speed. Harsher tickets are not the answer. Education and driver awareness is the only way. Just look at what is happening in Edmonton right now. The city gained control of the Photo radar program and is making crazy profits off of it using "safety" as the backbone argument yet numbers for speeding etc have not decreased. Photo radar traps on every other light for doing 5-10km/hr over the posted limits ($130), 50km/hr over is $2500 ticket, 30 day suspension, impounded car and a court date where the fine can increase yet people still speed 50+. Red light radar, stop sign photo radar traps, sound radar (in the works for loud exhaust). Take my advice, DO NOT advocate increasing fines for the few outliers. It snowballs into that shit.

I love BC because I don't have this horrible uneasy feeling a trip to the grocery store is going to cost me $130 if I take my car.

Edmonton speed traps are terrible; they are everywhere. I drive there once a month or so. Most people drive under the speed limit because of the number of speed cameras out there. For 50 km zones, I heard they only give you 3 km/h over the limit. For 70 km zones, they only give 8 km/h over.

[E-SPEC]

197km? What a stupid retard. Good luck if for some reason your front tire blow's out at that speed!

[underscore]

Something I just though of, who gets the storage and impound fees? Do they go to ICBC/RCMP or to the tow company? If they're going to the tow company that's bullshit.

somehow i feel like there should be more punishment for this case.. but ever since the new law they just group everyone who does 40 over into one category which is kind of stupid

I think the prevailing speed limit needs to be taken into account too (maybe it does after the fact, like when that Ferrari was seized), because if someone is doing 40 over in a 50 zone it's completely different from doing 40 over on the Coq which is 120.

[Lomac]

Coquihalla Highway became safer after raising the speed limit
Coquihalla Highway safer 1 year after speed limit raised, says transportation minister - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coquihalla-highway-safer-1-year-after-speed-limit-raised-says-transportation-minister-1.3133913)

I know I certainly haven't increased my speed on the Coquihalla since the 120km/h posting came into effect. I'll typically adjust my speed for the weather conditions and the general shape that the road is in. Sure, I'll admit that I may go above the limit in certain stretches, but nothing more than I was doing before the maximum was bumped up. When the weather is poor (snowy, foggy, heavy rain, etc.) I'll naturally slow down to a safer speed. When the roads are freshly paved and my tires are warm and sticky, I'll nudge past the limit a bit. This time of year, however, the roads are still absolute shit from all the snowplows gouging holes, so I'll keep my speed down a little. Mind you, I drive it all the time and am familiar with it. Some yahoo from Vancouver who drives it once a year isn't going to know that the road beyond that blind corner is pothole city.

That's the thing, though. People will drive what they feel comfortable doing on a particular stretch of road, regardless of if it's the Coquihalla or a school zone. Artificially lowering the speed limit will do nothing more than increase aggravation and create an influx of speeding tickets.

However, there's nowhere in BC where I would feel comfortable with doing 200km/hr outside of a race track. The locations where it's "safe" to do so are full of wildlife that can jump out at any minute. Nothankyousir.

[AndroidAAA]

Something I just though of, who gets the storage and impound fees? Do they go to ICBC/RCMP or to the tow company? If they're going to the tow company that's bullshit.

The storage and impound fees go to the towing company.

[Reeyal]

Yeah G37 can hit 157mph (252km/h) then rev limiter kicks in
so yea, way more than 200km/h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1OfrWT4qk

OK...
https://i.imgur.com/tyTc1Nl.jpg

[vantrip]

Something I just though of, who gets the storage and impound fees? Do they go to ICBC/RCMP or to the tow company? If they're going to the tow company that's bullshit.

Wait what? So a tow company send a truck and driver to pick up the vehicle and drop it in there yard, where it is stored on there property, and they process the paperwork and release it back to the owner.

How is that bullshit? Why wouldn't the tow company get the money for impound fee, Do they work for free? :suspicious:

[meme405]

The excessive speeding ends up being way more than $486 because you pay for the impound storage fees, towing and 3 years dangerous drivers premium. Ends up being close to $2000. I got one in my younger goon days (not nearly as bad, was doing 100 km/h in a BS 60km/h zone)...definitely learned my lesson.

Yep. I got snagged 4 years ago or whatever. In total it was almost 3000 bucks. (My tow was a lot higher cause I was far away from the yard, and because of work I left the car in their lot longer than 7 days).

Like you though seems kinda bullshit, I got trapped in a 100 zone going 148. I won't comment on how that zone is now a 110km/h zone after the speed limit reviews last year. Seems like this kid should get a way harsher penalty than what I did, considering he pretty much doubled how far over the limit I was going...

[foodtruck]

For 50 km zones, I heard they only give you 3 km/h over the limit. For 70 km zones, they only give 8 km/h over.

They have similar thing in Italy with those goddamn Autovelox boxes. Having to constantly worry that you might momentarily exceed the speed limit when overtaking someone in an unfortunate spot or take an off-ramp a bit too quickly completely kills the driving experience. What's more, they also measure your average speed in regular intervals on highways so you can't just gun it because you know a stretch is clear. Experiencing that stuff really puts things into perspective.

[underscore]

Wait what? So a tow company send a truck and driver to pick up the vehicle and drop it in there yard, where it is stored on there property, and they process the paperwork and release it back to the owner.

How is that bullshit? Why wouldn't the tow company get the money for impound fee, Do they work for free? :suspicious:

It's not bullshit that they get paid for their work, it's bullshit that the majority of the revenue from the driver getting taken off the road is going to a private company that has an RCMP contract. Do the RCMP not have impound yards anywhere?

[Shorn]

It's not bullshit that they get paid for their work, it's bullshit that the majority of the revenue from the driver getting taken off the road is going to a private company that has an RCMP contract. Do the RCMP not have impound yards anywhere?

it's also bullshit that they can impound your car at roadside without a judge.

in effect you are guilty before proven innocent (in a court of law), since you must pay the towing/impound fees regardless of if you dispute your ticket and win

[Noran]

Well I mean shit, if radar says 145 and the speed limits 100, it's a pretty clear cut case.

[vitaminG]

ya but police are for enforcement and not punishment.

[Curren$y]

ya but police are for enforcement and not punishment.

Revenue Collectors.

[Soundy]

it's also bullshit that they can impound your car at roadside without a judge.

in effect you are guilty before proven innocent (in a court of law), since you must pay the towing/impound fees regardless of if you dispute your ticket and win

Exact same thing happens if you're parked illegally... strange how people get so worked up over these consequences when it's something that can actually injure and kill people, but not when the worst effect is a traffic annoyance.

[Timpo]

Well I mean shit, if radar says 145 and the speed limits 100, it's a pretty clear cut case.

145km/h is completely safe to do on highways that are relatively straight.
(According to Solomon's Curve, going 145km/h is safer than going 100km/h when everybody else is going 130km/h)
If you drive new cars nowadays...145km/h feels just like 100km/h

Most people settle at 135km/h range on Autobahn on slower lane as well.

CBC Reported that 130km/h limit is common in Europe: Three in 4 drivers travel above the speed limit on Canada's busiest highway - Technology & Science - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/three-in-4-drivers-travel-above-the-speed-limit-on-canada-s-busiest-highway-1.3280254)

In BC, Coquihalla Highway for example, the 85th percentile is 127km/h.
So the speed limit should be approx. 130km/h.

The 100km/h speed limit in BC that you're talking about has nothing to do with road engineering and safety.
If you go 145km/h on 100km/h zone, you will get your car impounded, for going 15km/h faster than the flow of traffic, just because the "speed limit" happen to be 100km/h but safe speed/flow of traffic is not.

Those 100km/h road may be raised to 120km/h perhaps 130km/h in the future too for safety reasons. When that happens, you would wonder WTF was that impound all about.

[boostfever]

They have similar thing in Italy with those goddamn Autovelox boxes. Having to constantly worry that you might momentarily exceed the speed limit when overtaking someone in an unfortunate spot or take an off-ramp a bit too quickly completely kills the driving experience. What's more, they also measure your average speed in regular intervals on highways so you can't just gun it because you know a stretch is clear. Experiencing that stuff really puts things into perspective.

Haha, That happened to me in Florence where I received a ticket (in mail) for doing like 5km/h over. It's basically a scam. I've heard lots of locals know how to dispute the tickets easily but tourists are SOL. Some people choose not to pay but I thought a lousy $150 is not worth the hassle of getting arrested or whatever at a European airport and paid it.

[BoostedBB6]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. If you can not follow the rules associated with driving you simply should not be doing it.
IMO, if you are cough at 200km/h on ANY roads in Canada it should not simply be an immediate road side suspension and some fines. It should be your license GONE and never to return.

[vantrip]

It's not bullshit that they get paid for their work, it's bullshit that the majority of the revenue from the driver getting taken off the road is going to a private company that has an RCMP contract. Do the RCMP not have impound yards anywhere?

How do you know a 'majority' of the revenue from comes from drivers getting taken off the road? What about accidents that happen and they tow the vehicles and get paid from icbc, or road side service they provide.

If the province wanted then they could simply start up there own yards if they wanted no? Point is, RCMP job is to enforce the rules, not to store vehicles. It is outsourced to a 3rd party for a reason.

[underscore]

How do you know a 'majority' of the revenue from comes from drivers getting taken off the road? What about accidents that happen and they tow the vehicles and get paid from icbc, or road side service they provide.

I may not have worded that very clearly, I mean the majority of the revenue from that one case (ie everything that one person is paying out in regards to that ticket), not the total revenue of the tow company as a whole.

[Soundy]

145km/h is completely safe to do on highways that are relatively straight.

Every now and then Timpo posts something that makes everyone go, "Wow, a quality Timpo post? What is the world coming to??"

Then he posts something like this...

:drunk:

[GLOW]

145km/h is completely safe to do on highways that are relatively straight.

going fast in a straight line, what could possibly go wrong :troll: :badpokerface:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxe_DqAkeAk

[underscore]

145km/h is completely safe to do on highways that are relatively straight.

And flat, and clear of damage, and clear of weather, and where people are expecting you to be coming along at that speed.

[Timpo]

going fast in a straight line, what could possibly go wrong :troll: :badpokerface:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxe_DqAkeAk

People like you are exact reason why police/media/ICBC love to blame on speed rather than behavior.

How many people do you see on the highway driving at 130-145km/h (suggested safest speed is generally 130-135km/h) suddenly flying away like that?
or losing control like that if they're actually paying attention on the road driving?
If you ever do that on the street with heavily modified car like that, it's called street racing.

I'm not saying everyone should be street racing everywhere. Don't get them mixed up.

[Timpo]

And flat, and clear of damage, and clear of weather, and where people are expecting you to be coming along at that speed.

I'm not saying that you should be driving at that speed in the snow, gravel, heavy traffic, residential area, where people are around, multiple curves, etc.

People will adjust their speed accordingly anyways.

[Timpo]

Every now and then Timpo posts something that makes everyone go, "Wow, a quality Timpo post? What is the world coming to??"

Then he posts something like this...

:drunk:

145km/h was just an example since 130-135km/h is generally what perceived to be the safest speed limit.
However driving at 100km/h where flow of traffic is 130km/h is more dangerous than going 145km/h.

The biggest problem is the behavior, not the speed itself and we all know this.
North Americans have this culture of texting, talking on the phone, eating burgers, etc...while driving.
In Germany, people don't do that kind of stuff.

What if you make Coquihalla Highway's speed limitless like Autobahn?
I wonder how many people will still decided to get distracted by other stuff.
(I'm not saying that accident rate will necessarily go down by making limitless speed limit, but my personal speculation is that people's behavior will change and keep their mind on the road more just like in Germany)

The car needs to travel fast in order for it to be useful. The question is, what's the safest speed that less accidents would occur?
Because if they actually want to make 0 traffic death in BC, they can just set the speed limit of 5km/h in the city and 10km/h on the highway. This way it's pretty guaranteed that traffic death will become a thing of past.
But in reality, we need to allow cars to travel fast enough to be realistically useful. If 130km/h limit is safer than 100km/h limit on some highways, they should just do it. Same as Marine Drive, if 80km/h limit is safer than 50km/h limit, they should just do it.

[underscore]

I'm not saying that you should be driving at that speed in the snow, gravel, heavy traffic, residential area, where people are around, multiple curves, etc.

People will adjust their speed accordingly anyways.

Well if you get a ticket, somebody was around.

Because if they actually want to make 0 traffic death in BC, they can just set the speed limit of 5km/h in the city and 10km/h on the highway. This way it's pretty guaranteed that traffic death will become a thing of past.

Until somebody dies because traffic was too slow and they couldn't get help fast enough, then people will be crying out for speed increases.

[Soundy]

The biggest problem is the behavior, not the speed itself and we all know this.
North Americans have this culture of texting, talking on the phone, eating burgers, etc...while driving.
In Germany, people don't do that kind of stuff.

What if you make Coquihalla Highway's speed limitless like Autobahn?
I wonder how many people will still decided to get distracted by other stuff.
(I'm not saying that accident rate will necessarily go down by making limitless speed limit, but my personal speculation is that people's behavior will change and keep their mind on the road more just like in Germany)

Perhaps you missed this before - after all, it's only mentioned EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. this topic comes up - but it's a fuckuvalot harder to get your license in those countries. I'm fine sharing the Coq with guys doing 160 on a regular basis... just as soon as BCDLs aren't handed out in a Cracker Jack box.

[underscore]

^ it's also harder to keep your car road legal. The German inspections are extremely strict, I'm guessing a lot of Canadian cars wouldn't come close to passing a German inspection. That still doesn't make them perfectly safe though, there are some pretty big pile ups on the autobahns.

Then there's the matter of everybody adjusting to expecting to see cars coming up at high rates of speed, so people don't pull out without looking like they already do. It's bad enough having it happen when you're going 20 km/h faster than someone, it'd be a lot worse with a bigger differential.

[Soundy]

^ it's also harder to keep your car road legal. The German inspections are extremely strict, I'm guessing a lot of Canadian cars wouldn't come close to passing a German inspection. That still doesn't make them perfectly safe though, there are some pretty big pile ups on the autobahns.
Can you imagine the crying and wringing of hands on revscene.de over illegal car mods?? :troll:

[Timpo]

^ it's also harder to keep your car road legal. The German inspections are extremely strict, I'm guessing a lot of Canadian cars wouldn't come close to passing a German inspection. That still doesn't make them perfectly safe though, there are some pretty big pile ups on the autobahns.

Then there's the matter of everybody adjusting to expecting to see cars coming up at high rates of speed, so people don't pull out without looking like they already do. It's bad enough having it happen when you're going 20 km/h faster than someone, it'd be a lot worse with a bigger differential.

I don't know about Germany's vehicle inspection, but I know in Japan they have government inspection called "SHAKEN".
The reason why so many JDM cars in Canada suck is because those cars failed Japanese government's inspection and lost the Certificate of Roadworthiness.
Needless to say, those cars are much cheaper for importers' to buy.

[Timpo]

I wonder if the speed of traffic flow slowed down after the introduction of 7 day impound for excessive speeding. I bet it made no difference.

As "Speed Kills Your Pocketbook" was briefly mentioning, police officers seem to have problem understanding and differentiating the difference between "daily commuters" and "street racers/DUI drivers"

They legitimately think that writing lots of ticket to daily commuters that are following flow of traffic (or maybe slightly faster) will prevent street racing and DUI, or some stupid teenagers doing stunt driving on the road. As so many people have been saying, it's not speed that kills, it's the behavior.

Those daily commuters have nothing to do with street racers or DUI drivers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7hQhKYKUv8

[Jmac]

That section of the Malahat is such bullshit especially since they shortened the passing section considerably heading south a couple of years ago. Police are often there to nab people who just want to pass the slow-pokes who held traffic up for the previous 10 minutes.

If they really gave a shit about safety, they'd also nail the people going 20 under the limit when it's single-lane (assuming decent conditions, obviously) creating a line-up of frustrated drivers in their wake.

And, no, I didn't get a ticket there (I have never received a ticket anywhere). I'm the guy who goes in the right-lane behind the slow asshole, who usually speeds up to somewhere between 80 and 90 when it changes to 2 lanes, and watches everyone pass us at 120+ in the short amount of time they have to get by. Then I get to go down the hill at 50 km/h behind him, watching him unnecessarily take years off his brakes while the guy behind me tailgates the shit out of me.

[ken24]

If you think that feel free to move to Alberta. Let me know how you feel after 1 year of living there even if you don't speed. Harsher tickets are not the answer. Education and driver awareness is the only way. Just look at what is happening in Edmonton right now. The city gained control of the Photo radar program and is making crazy profits off of it using "safety" as the backbone argument yet numbers for speeding etc have not decreased. Photo radar traps on every other light for doing 5-10km/hr over the posted limits ($130), 50km/hr over is $2500 ticket, 30 day suspension, impounded car and a court date where the fine can increase yet people still speed 50+. Red light radar, stop sign photo radar traps, sound radar (in the works for loud exhaust). Take my advice, DO NOT advocate increasing fines for the few outliers. It snowballs into that shit.

I love BC because I don't have this horrible uneasy feeling a trip to the grocery store is going to cost me $130 if I take my car.

Having lived in Vancouver for 22 years and moving to Edmonton a year ago, I 100% agree with Prudz. There's still hope for Vancouver, please don't turn into Edmonton by just increasing fine, Education and awareness would be so much hope.Driving in Edmonton is like driving in Richmond, but so much worst. The roads here are so much wider compared to Vancouver, but every time I go back to visit Vancouver it's the driving condition that makes me want to move back. Not the lack of random ass 2week 20-25 degree weather and 1 day snow, not meat and bread and all the other delicious food especially chinese, and for sure the lack of 4x4 extended cab truck that is lifted and never seen a dirt road or towed anything in it's life.

The photo radar system in Edmonton is brutal and 75% of driving is done on freeway. Imagine driving on hwy-1 and taking the Grandview/Boundry exit, you're going 80-90 and the moment you merge onto the exit lane it turn into 50. Not 100ft not 75 not 50, but the moment you switched lane from hwy-1 to 28B it's 50 and there's a cop standing there every day at 2pm-4:30-6pm Monday-Friday if weather permits and on Saturday and Sunday they hide in the island in the random bushes planted just for this. This goes on for the next 15 exit. If it's a long stretch on the freeway without exit they'll have a cop standing on the overpass shooting down as you drive by.Driving in the city feel like a new trap every day, the radars at most intersection are so sensitive unless it's a FRESH yellow it goes off. There's always new portable photo radar popping up around intersection, one day it's there one day it's not.

Despite all of this and much more, most people still drive like Richmond drivers because we all know where the radar is, we all know when they come on and off shift, we all know that random fucken garbage can that is there one day and gone the next is a camera. I have a close call everyday driving in this city because people are too distracted looking out for the radars while trying to speed and slamming on their break to go from 100-50 in under 10ft. People slamming on their break from 60-0 because that yellow light has been on for 1 second and they don't want to risk it. Most people still speed, in fact if you're not going 30 over in the right lane you get pushed aside, not going 20 over in the middle lane you get pushed to the right exit lane, not going 10 over still? well into the ditch you go.

Increasing fines to me does nothing, if you're an idiot that 1 ticket wont change you, you'll just be more cautious the next time you decide to go 200 with your g37 and burn 1/4 of the tank.Education and awareness would do so much more then creating a new way for accidents to happen. If you get caught twice driving while texting/holding your phone, you should just be suspended a year. I see no reason why you can keep paying your way out. First DUI? lose your license five year. It's silly to me how if you get caught five times being a distracted driver and all you lost was a few thousand dollars when you could have killed someone every time you got into your car.

[Soundy]

Sounds like y'all should be thankful all this stuff is under Provincial control here, rather than being left up to the individual cities...

[Timpo]

23 vehicles impounded for ‘excessive’ speeding on Malahat
Cindy E. Harnett | Times Colonist
May 19, 2016 12:26 PM
Updated: May 20, 2016 07:08 AM

23 vehicles impounded for ?excessive? speeding on Malahat (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/23-vehicles-impounded-for-excessive-speeding-on-malahat-1.2259190)

HERE'S THE VIDEO: UPDATED WITH NEW VIDEO: Vehicles impounded in Malahat speeding crackdown | CHEK (http://www.cheknews.ca/malahat-speeding-crackdown-sees-20-vehicles-impounded-177512/)

http://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2259665.1463715904!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/malahat-speed-jpg.jpg
Vehicles were towed away after they were stopped on the Malahat.

Twenty-three motorists are heading into the long weekend without their vehicles after they were nabbed speeding on the Malahat on Thursday — including one novice motorcyclist driving 152 kilometres an hour.

The speed sting was conducted by the Integrated Road Safety Unit starting at 5:30 a.m.

In all, the police impounded 23 vehicles for excessive speed, suspended one motorist for driving under the influence of a drug, issued 49 speeding tickets, and wrote 11 tickets for other offences.

“I’m not surprised, more disappointed that people weren’t driving appropriately,” said Const. Andy Dunstan, noting that speeding is the No. 1 cause of fatalities in B.C.

An average of 12 people are killed in speed-related crashes every year on Vancouver Island.

In a one-hour period, 10 motorists handed over their keys and were ticketed $368 to $483, excluding towing fees and other costs, for excessive speeding — travelling at least 40 km/h over the posted limit of 80 km/h.

Police were set up just south of Aspen Road, an area where police said some motorists speed to overtake other vehicles before hitting a 70 km/h zone.

“We were stopping people going 125 and 135 kilometres per hour plus, coming into that 70-kilometre zone,” Dunstan said.

Officers later set up north of the turn-off for Shawnigan Lake Road.

By that time, there was a high volume of traffic, including big trucks, on the road, slowing traffic. There were also posts on social media about the earlier speed trap and other vehicles flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of the speed trap ahead — and still “people were coming in at 140 and 150 kilometres per hour,” Dunstan said.

An additional 13 vehicles were impounded for excessive speeding, including two motorcycles. One car pulled over for excessive speeding had child in the front seat.

“This is a major intersection on this part of the highway. Vehicles — semi-trailers and dump trucks carrying pup trailers — are turning across other vehicles that are travelling in excess of 140 kilometres per hour. How does that make any sense?” he said.

One of two motorcyclists pulled over for excessive speeding was said by police to be driving 152 km/h in an 80 km/h zone.

The man said he thought the speed limit was low for a major highway. He was running late and had been headed to Victoria to go to school and work. He is a designated novice motorcyclist “who had no valid insurance,” police said.

Colleen Woodger, road co-ordinator for Insurance Corp. of B.C., said posted speed limits are for days when the roads are dry and visibility is good.

“When you’re seeing high-risk behaviours [including speeding] like we’re seeing today, that increases your risks significantly for a crash,” Woodger said. “It’s pretty shocking behaviour today, and we’re really glad we’re able to connect with those drivers and remind them of that.”

[Timpo]

^ just to add, according to CRD Traffic Safety Commission (https://samanthabratty.wordpress.com/) people speed excessively all the time on Malahat Highway.

They have been trying to slow people down for years but been unsuccessful.

I wonder why they fail to think that raising the speed limit to 85th percentile is a good idea.

[Curren$y]

23 vehicles impounded for ‘excessive’ speeding on Malahat
Cindy E. Harnett | Times Colonist
May 19, 2016 12:26 PM
Updated: May 20, 2016 07:08 AM

23 vehicles impounded for ?excessive? speeding on Malahat (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/23-vehicles-impounded-for-excessive-speeding-on-malahat-1.2259190)

HERE'S THE VIDEO: UPDATED WITH NEW VIDEO: Vehicles impounded in Malahat speeding crackdown | CHEK (http://www.cheknews.ca/malahat-speeding-crackdown-sees-20-vehicles-impounded-177512/)

http://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2259665.1463715904!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/malahat-speed-jpg.jpg
Vehicles were towed away after they were stopped on the Malahat.

Twenty-three motorists are heading into the long weekend without their vehicles after they were nabbed speeding on the Malahat on Thursday — including one novice motorcyclist driving 152 kilometres an hour.

The speed sting was conducted by the Integrated Road Safety Unit starting at 5:30 a.m.

In all, the police impounded 23 vehicles for excessive speed, suspended one motorist for driving under the influence of a drug, issued 49 speeding tickets, and wrote 11 tickets for other offences.

“I’m not surprised, more disappointed that people weren’t driving appropriately,” said Const. Andy Dunstan, noting that speeding is the No. 1 cause of fatalities in B.C.

An average of 12 people are killed in speed-related crashes every year on Vancouver Island.

In a one-hour period, 10 motorists handed over their keys and were ticketed $368 to $483, excluding towing fees and other costs, for excessive speeding — travelling at least 40 km/h over the posted limit of 80 km/h.

Police were set up just south of Aspen Road, an area where police said some motorists speed to overtake other vehicles before hitting a 70 km/h zone.

“We were stopping people going 125 and 135 kilometres per hour plus, coming into that 70-kilometre zone,” Dunstan said.

Officers later set up north of the turn-off for Shawnigan Lake Road.

By that time, there was a high volume of traffic, including big trucks, on the road, slowing traffic. There were also posts on social media about the earlier speed trap and other vehicles flashing their lights to warn oncoming motorists of the speed trap ahead — and still “people were coming in at 140 and 150 kilometres per hour,” Dunstan said.

An additional 13 vehicles were impounded for excessive speeding, including two motorcycles. One car pulled over for excessive speeding had child in the front seat.

“This is a major intersection on this part of the highway. Vehicles — semi-trailers and dump trucks carrying pup trailers — are turning across other vehicles that are travelling in excess of 140 kilometres per hour. How does that make any sense?” he said.

One of two motorcyclists pulled over for excessive speeding was said by police to be driving 152 km/h in an 80 km/h zone.

The man said he thought the speed limit was low for a major highway. He was running late and had been headed to Victoria to go to school and work. He is a designated novice motorcyclist “who had no valid insurance,” police said.

Colleen Woodger, road co-ordinator for Insurance Corp. of B.C., said posted speed limits are for days when the roads are dry and visibility is good.

“When you’re seeing high-risk behaviours [including speeding] like we’re seeing today, that increases your risks significantly for a crash,” Woodger said. “It’s pretty shocking behaviour today, and we’re really glad we’re able to connect with those drivers and remind them of that.”

Good haul for the revenue collectors. All in a days work.

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

pls spoiler that...

[Timpo]

Police needs to fill in their quotas.

Although each officers may not have quotas like "x amount of ticket / month", the police forces are always under the pressure to generate revenue.

The government want to make money, and speeding tickets are bread and butter for the government.

Not too long ago, the Winnipeg City Hall told the police to raise additional $1.4 million in traffic ticket revenue. This kind of stuff is nothing new.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/are-police-handing-out-traffic-tickets-to-meet-quotas-1.1129762

The City of Victoria lowered the speed limit to 40km/h, down from 50km/h.
They're going against what road engineers have told them.

[Timpo]

Also if you look at ICBC accidents stats, including Malahat (or any highway for that matter) is very safe compare to intersections around busy roads.

You can go on ICBC website and see the accident stats for the last 5 years.
That section in Malahat had only 1 digit accident in the last 5 years... where as busy roads in Victoria like the intersection at McKenzie and Shelbourn(I think?) had like 3 digit accidents in the last 5 years.

I don't think cops ever sit around on the intersection to keep roads safe, rather, they would set speed traps on highways. Why do cops do this?

Because it's so much easier to find "excessive speeders"

You will see people going 120km/h on the highway ALL THE TIME. Whereas you won't see people going 90km/h on the urban area or residence area as much.
Except ridiculous 50 zone like Marine Dr. in Vancouver. The 85th percentile at Marine Dr. is 79km/h, which means the speed limit should be 80km/h, but they put 50km/h sign anyways to generate more revenue. So that they can virtually pull over anyone on the road.

[nsx042003]

Oh I bet they were all Racing. FUcking tarts

[6o4__boi]

i didn't even think you could excessively speed in a PT cruiser

[vitaminG]

That's an hhr actually

[peebking]

The funniest thing is I got a ticket by driving 53 at 50 zone, the reason is the cop think my car is loud so he think i am driving fast, but there is a sign which measure my speed when I going up hill of knight. But somehow he said the sign is not accurate.

[Timpo]

The funniest thing is I got a ticket by driving 53 at 50 zone, the reason is the cop think my car is loud so he think i am driving fast, but there is a sign which measure my speed when I going up hill of knight. But somehow he said the sign is not accurate.I wonder why he gave you a speeding ticket for going 53km/h instead of unnecessary noise ticket.

Motor Vehicle Act Section: 7A.01
Unnecessary noise, $109, 3 points

Fines & points for B.C. traffic offences (http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/tickets/Pages/fines-points-offences.aspx)

[Nlkko]

You get speeding ticket doing 53 in a 50 in Vancouver. I call BS unless you post a vid with speed stamp. Likely story there. Cops here are fucking saints. Stop bitching and appreciate it.

[GLOW]

Except ridiculous 50 zone like Marine Dr. in Vancouver. The 85th percentile at Marine Dr. is 79km/h, which means the speed limit should be 80km/h, but they put 50km/h sign anyways to generate more revenue. So that they can virtually pull over anyone on the road.

don't worry, with all those new lights/intersections at river district it'll be sure to slow all your asses down to 50 :ilied:LULPogChamp

[Mancini]

^ Sure, if you want everyone to have to take German-style license tests, and German-level vehicle inspections to the tune of a bunch of extra money.

Agreed. Our roads, vehicles and drivers are generally less safe. Hence the lower speeds.

[Great68]

^ just to add, according to CRD Traffic Safety Commission (https://samanthabratty.wordpress.com/) people speed excessively all the time on Malahat Highway.

They have been trying to slow people down for years but been unsuccessful.

I wonder why they fail to think that raising the speed limit to 85th percentile is a good idea.


As someone who used to commute the Malahat daily, and still drives it at least a couple times a month, my experience makes me qualified to say that drivers simply driving along at 100-110 *in good weather conditions* are not what makes it unsafe.

It's the drivers who are weaving through traffic like some sort of slalom, or hogging the left lane (exacerbating the weaving), or inattentive/distracted, or just plain such bad drivers that can't handle their vehicle to take a few turns and hills (crossing centerlines) that make it unsafe.

I had one incident where a woman almost put me into the median when she neglected to look to her left mirrors and almost change lanes into me. Speed would have had nothing to do with that accident if it happened.

[Timpo]

As someone who used to commute the Malahat daily, and still drives it at least a couple times a month, my experience makes me qualified to say that drivers simply driving along at 100-110 *in good weather conditions* are not what makes it unsafe.

It's the drivers who are weaving through traffic like some sort of slalom, or hogging the left lane (exacerbating the weaving), or inattentive/distracted, or just plain such bad drivers that can't handle their vehicle to take a few turns and hills (crossing centerlines) that make it unsafe.

I had one incident where a woman almost put me into the median when she neglected to look to her left mirrors and almost change lanes into me. Speed would have had nothing to do with that accident if it happened.

If weather is bad, fog, rain, snow, whatever, people WILL slow down.
Research after research showed that people will drive at whatever speed they think is safe. So the 85th percentile rule makes sense as everybody else says.

So yeah, 100km/h or 110km/h limit will be completely safe. If there's a heavy rain or something, it's not likely people would push the limit and corner at 110km/h.
As you said, it's the behavior and distraction that's making it dangerous, not the speed.

That Malahat speed trap on that long straight downhill spot is nothing but a cash grab. If you look at ICBC accident stat, the probability of accidents occurring on that particular spot is much lower than intersections on busy roads where people cut lanes, do not understand right of way, get distracted, etc.

[Timpo]

Agreed. Our roads, vehicles and drivers are generally less safe. Hence the lower speeds.

Not it's not.
Sure, Germans have better cars.

But in Canada too, if everybody is driving/cruising at 70km/h, artificially trying to drop the speed down to 50km/h by simply posting too-low speed limit and writing tickets will not make roads any safer.

It only simply causes more people to hate cops.

[Timpo]

I wonder if enough people sign up for petition on change.org or something, maybe CRD(Capital Regional District) or any other Regional District will review the speed limit on highways.

The BC Government says the speed limit should be at 85th percentile.
Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/popular-topics/faq.htm#speed)
"The guiding principle in establishing a regulatory speed limit is the use of the 85th percentile speed concept. This means that setting the speed limit as near as practicable to the speed limit at which 85% of traffic is traveling at or below under ideal road and weather conditions is the basis for a speed limit."

So the government say they follow 85th percentile, but it's clearly a lie.
If you look at not only Malahat, but Trans Canada Highway and all that, NOBODY drives at or below speed limit.

and the BC Government even say this themselves:
"It is a popular misconception that reducing the regulatory posted speed will automatically reduce the speed of traffic. Similarly, raising the regulatory posted speed limit will not necessarily increase the speed of traffic. Studies have shown that drivers will tend to disregard regulatory posted speed limits that they deem unreasonable. An unrealistically low speed limit will simply result in speed differentials between the few motorist who actually will obey the regulatory limit, and the majority who disregard it. If the unrealistic regulatory speed limit were to be enforced it may create antagonism toward the police and traffic laws in general."

So basically, the police is causing more hazard on the road.
The police artificially trying to slow down the flow of traffic by writing ticket will cause more speed differentials, which contributes nothing to the safety.
They should just let the traffic flow for safety.

[Jmac]

This discussion reminds me of a local road that was just repaved and widened after years of neglect. I drive this road several times a week during hockey season to go watch games at my parents' house.

This road has been a 70 km/h zone for at least the last 20 years and used to pass an elementary school, which reduced the limit to 50 km/h when children on the sidewalk. It had been in terrible condition for the past decade or so. Dividing lines barely visible, bumpy as hell, lots of undulations, etc.

Over the course of the last year, they repaved the road, widened the lanes, put sidewalks on both sides (rather than the previous one), removed the old crosswalk to the old school, flattened out the undulations.

When they re-opened the road, they had reduced the speed limit to 60 km/h ... Despite numerous safety upgrades, despite me never seeing an accident on that road during any of the hundreds of times I'd driven it ...

How the hell did this clearly substantially safer road become 10 km/h less safe than the old shitty road it replaced?

[Manic!]

How the hell did this clearly substantially safer road become 10 km/h less safe than the old shitty road it replaced?

Magic.

Victoria changed the speed to 40 KPH and now transit is complaining because the buses are running late and they are losing up to 30 trips a day.

B.C. Transit: Victoria?s 40 km/h speed limits slowing down buses (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/b-c-transit-victoria-s-40-km-h-speed-limits-slowing-down-buses-1.2264498)

[kdmturbo]

Guy will receive a drp.

[Timpo]

Magic.

Victoria changed the speed to 40 KPH and now transit is complaining because the buses are running late and they are losing up to 30 trips a day.

B.C. Transit: Victoria?s 40 km/h speed limits slowing down buses (http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/b-c-transit-victoria-s-40-km-h-speed-limits-slowing-down-buses-1.2264498)

The vast majority of speeding ticket is nothing but a cash grab. When people are travelling at flow of traffic, they should not deserve a speeding ticket.
I'm not talking about Lamborghini blasting 300+km/h on highway, I'm talking about 120+km/h on Malahat and other highways.

Watch the video, it's 2016 and we have an idiot talking "speed kills, all the studies show that speed kills" :okay:
BC Transit asks for U-turn on Victoria?s 40 km/h speed limit | CTV Vancouver Island News (http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/bc-transit-asks-for-u-turn-on-victoria-s-40-km-h-speed-limit-1.2919429)

[asma123]

Most speed tickets are just cash grabs. If you really think about it these speed limits were placed years ago when cars were very heavy and didn't have stopping power we have today. There are some areas that the speed limit imo is just way too low like someone mentioned marine and boundary area there's no sidewalk there's nothing there to have such a low speed limit. Meanwhile cops are there with their speed traps all the time

[Manic!]

Love this quote from the Victoria mayor:

“We do things, we learn things and then we do different thing

[Timpo]

Love this quote from the Victoria mayor:

yeah I know...

they're always trying to do things and try things to make money, but never do anything for road safety.

why did they decrease the speed to 40km/h? I would actually raise it to 60km/h

[Timpo]

Studies have shown that increasing the speed limit is the safest thing to do.

Cops giving out speeding ticket is contributing nothing to the safety.
They're causing more accidents, road rage, more people will hate cops, it makes cops have nothing better to do.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about DUI and/or Street Racing, I'm talking about cops giving out speeding tickets when people are driving at "flow of traffic" not "street racing" don't get these two things mixed up.

Research has shown that if they LOWER the speed limit, it will cause 5.4% MORE accidents, however if they RAISE the speed, it will cause 6.7% LESS accidents
https://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html
"Accidents at the 58 experimental sites where speed limits were lowered increased by 5.4 percent"
"Accidents at the 41 experimental sites where speed limits were raised decreased by 6.7 percent"

[Timpo]

I found this on BC Ministry of Transportation website.

The speed limit is too low for sure. The "maximum speed" is becoming "minimum speed" on many roads

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/speed_review/speed_review_report.pdf

Based on years of experience and observation, the following fundamental concepts have been
used to establish realistic speed zones.

The majority of motorists drive at a speed they consider reasonable, and safe for road,
traffic, and environmental conditions. Posted limits which are set higher or lower than
dictated by roadway and traffic conditions are ignored by the majority of motorists.

The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be
considered legal.

A speed limit should be set so that the majority of motorists observe it voluntarily and
enforcement can be directed to the minority of offenders.

A speed limit should seem too fast for a majority of users or it is not a maximum limit.

A driver’s choice of speed can impose risks on other road users. Crash severity
increases with increasing speeds because in a collision, the amount of kinetic energy
dissipated is proportional to the square of the velocity. Crashes, however, appear to
depend less on speed and more on the variation in speeds. The likelihood of a crash
occurring is significantly greater for motorists traveling at speed slower and faster than
the mean speed of traffic.

Maximum speed limits are set for ideal road, traffic, and environmental conditions.