[pastarocket]

A model of a "transit elevated bus", an "Air Bus" made its debut at the Beijing International High Tech Expo.

At first, I thought it was a crazy bus driver flying a bus in the air after a horrific accident in China. :lawl:

Interesting design. :considered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UPDtQ_wF8E

[StylinRed]

Just imagining all the accidents.... ppl in Richmond have enough trouble keeping it between the lines, can you imagine when they get shocked after having one of these pass over them?

Maybe if these buses drove against traffic, so that drivers felt like they were driving into tunnels instead of having a major shock come from behind

[GLOW]

maybe in special areas of the city where each lane has a metal or concrete barrier preventing lane changes/crossing (similar to no lane changes in the messy tunnel but with safeguards)

even then yep...accidents...:lol

or maybe in areas with google's automated cars

[Hehe]

The concept is not new. I remember seeing them back in the early 2000, but it never came into fruition due to the height limit it needs to impose on its roads and stations (so you either have to build very high stations, or limit the height of traffic that can go under it)

[TRD Rs200]

thats just disaster waiting to happen, it'll never come to reality

[MG1]

on rails, I see.


gotta build that model in the basement.........

[Reeyal]

Interesting concept and design. I don't know if that would work in the real world though...

[danned]

this gonna explode

[Carl Johnson]

Interesting concept and design. I don't know if that would work in the real world though...

It wouldn't because Chinese drivers do not obey traffic laws. Like most things out of China it looks promising on paper however in the actual implementation things fall apart quickly.

[FerrariEnzo]

Just imagining all the accidents.... ppl in Richmond have enough trouble keeping it between the lines, can you imagine when they get shocked after having one of these pass over them?

Maybe if these buses drove against traffic, so that drivers felt like they were driving into tunnels instead of having a major shock come from behind
Id rather still drive in richmond then in china.. lol...

[DragonChi]

What happens when comes across a semi?

[stewie]

Imagine how much damage 1 single vehicle can cause when a lifted truck/larger sized truck with something strapped to the roof or over sized vehicle gets hit from the back and is dragged forwards taking out every car in front of it until the train can come to a halt.

[Reeyal]

This concept is becoming a reality. China is testing the elevated bus.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/02/23/36D14DD200000578-3606602-image-a-19_1470177460651.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/02/23/36D14DCB00000578-3606602-image-m-26_1470177506057.jpg


Road-straddling bus takes first test drive in China

Months after design was revealed Transit Explore Bus has inaugural run on test track in Qinhuangdao, Hebei province

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/03/china-transit-explore-bus-road-straddling-test-drive-qinhuangdao-hebei

[twitchyzero]

credit where due
amazing how this went from concept to testing within a year...doesn't matter if quality isn't there yet the fact that they can get it out so fast is impressive

even if you take out NIMBY and road compatibility concerns, if they tried doing this in say a newly developed Vancouver suburb it'll take 30 years and couple dozen tax hikes to even come close.

[Infiniti]

credit where due
amazing how this went from concept to testing within a year...doesn't matter if quality isn't there yet the fact that they can get it out so fast is impressive

even if you take out NIMBY and road compatibility concerns, if they tried doing this in say a newly developed Vancouver suburb it'll take 30 years and couple dozen tax hikes to even come close.

The flip side of that coin is do we really want our governments to have carte blanche when it comes to policy implementation without any type of public consultation?

[dat_steve]

even if you take out NIMBY and road compatibility concerns, if they tried doing this in say a newly developed Vancouver suburb it'll take 30 years and couple dozen tax hikes to even come close.

may be a classic case of the (wealthy) Chinese mentality of "here's my money. i want it, and i want it now"

[GLOW]

i'm thinking perhaps it's more of pride and what they can achieve so lets make it happen than entitlement, similar to what they were able to do in terms of buildings for the olympics.

[meme405]

credit where due
amazing how this went from concept to testing within a year...doesn't matter if quality isn't there yet the fact that they can get it out so fast is impressive

even if you take out NIMBY and road compatibility concerns, if they tried doing this in say a newly developed Vancouver suburb it'll take 30 years and couple dozen tax hikes to even come close.

That prototype you see there probably costs more than what Translink spent all of last year. Remember when Vancouver 2010 costed less than 7 billion, and beijing costed 50 billion?

When money is no object and public perception, consultation, and probability of success are completely eliminated from the equation stuff like this become easy to do. No matter how terrible an idea they are.

[whitev70r]

Sh*t in China are like 10 years ahead of things here in Canada. Case in point, the stupid damn Compass card, gates, 1 zone, 2 zone, etc for Translink that just went live like a year ago with complication after complication. HK had efficient Octopus card for their MTR like 15 years. China's speed trains rock. Necessity is the mother of all invention.

[Teriyaki]

^ I don't even.

Back to topic. It is quite amazing that they actually brought this concept to life.

[Traum]

Sh*t in China are like 10 years ahead of things here in Canada. Case in point, the stupid damn Compass card, gates, 1 zone, 2 zone, etc for Translink that just went live like a year ago with complication after complication. HK had efficient Octopus card for their MTR like 15 years. China's speed trains rock. Necessity is the mother of all invention.
Which part of "a lack of public consultation, business case analysis, environmental impact analysis, procedural justice" do you not understand? By nature, dictatorships are generally way more efficient than democracies. There is a reason you don't see any of them in the world being all that successful though.

And don't give me the benevolent dictator is best bullcrap. Power corrupts, so for all practical purposes, no dictator is benevolent.

[whitev70r]

Which part of "a lack of public consultation, business case analysis, environmental impact analysis, procedural justice" do you not understand? By nature, dictatorships are generally way more efficient than democracies. There is a reason you don't see any of them in the world being all that successful though.

And don't give me the benevolent dictator is best bullcrap. Power corrupts, so for all practical purposes, no dictator is benevolent.

Oh, I didn't know we were talking about politics, corruption, and environmental issues, I was just alluding to Asia's technology and efficiency.

Now that you brought it up ... I suppose BC with their democracy, public consultation, business case analysis has never failed ... you must not remember:
1. BC Fast Cat Ferries, (proj at $210 .. ended up $460m ... sold the three for $50m, this was back in 1994 so that's quite a lot back then)
2. BC Stadium Roof replacement (proj to be $345m ... ended up $514m) ... for just a f*king roof!
3. Port Mann Bridge (forecasted to be $1.1B ... ended up $3.3B), remember the first time we had ice storm?
4. Privatization of BC Rail $1B scandal with raids to government offices ... Basi and Virk took the fall.
5. The present housing crisis which lined the pockets of many politicians through 'procedural justice'.
6. Mining disaster, 2014, 24 million cubic metres of waste into nearby lakes and rivers.

If you think that there aren't any corruption, shady business deals with governments, or environmental disasters here in BC or North America ... well, I don't know what to say.

[yray]

Remember when Vancouver 2010 costed less than 7 billion, and beijing costed 50 billion?


50 Billion / 17 million people = 2941.17
7 Billion / 603500 people = 11599.00

Beijing is a shit show in terms of city design and has fuck all drainage. 50 Billion is a bargain.

[Traum]

Oh, I didn't know we were talking about politics, corruption, and environmental issues, I was just alluding to Asia's technology and efficiency.

Now that you brought it up ... I suppose BC with their democracy, public consultation, business case analysis has never failed ... you must not remember the BC Fast Cat Ferries, BC Stadium Roof replacement (proj to be $345m ... ended up $514m), Port Mann Bridge (forecasted to be $1.1B ... ended up $3.3B), or the $1B privatization of BC Rail, or how about the present housing crisis which lined the pockets of many politicians through 'procedural justice'.

If you fail to grasp how politics will always directly or indirectly affect the general population's life, I guess you've failed to understand how the real world works.

Then again, from the examples you cited, I really shouldn't be surprised. The democratic process doesn't eliminate poor governments and failed policies and their implementation, it just merely minimizes the frequency of them occurring. Perhaps I should start listing the failures that Mainland China has done to itself?

If you think China's technology and efficiency is so good, perhaps I should remind you of the Chinese high speed trains disastrous safety history and shoddy construction? Or if you think Hong Kong's MTR technology is so advanced, may I remind you how it was introduced during the British colonial era? and how its service quality has now deteriorated to an abysmal level with frequent train failures, and highly dubious purchases of Mainland China-made trains and parts that do not live up to the expected safety standards? Our Skytrains fail often enough as well, but we haven't deteriorated into that sorry a state yet, but we might be heading in that direction if we -- as citizens -- don't stop the provincially proposed plan to purchase Mainland China-made Skytrains.

If you ever go hiking anywhere in BC, take a look around you and think about why we can still enjoy all this beautiful nature. And now go look at the multi-coloured chemical rivers that you see in China, or better yet -- look at the massively failed Three Gorges Dam project and the various natural disasters it has caused. And then turn to look at the demise of the Chinese white dophin situation in Hong Kong -- it is unfolding right in front of our eyes. When there is no democracy, no public consultation, no business case analysis, disaster is what you get.

[swiftshift]

this gonna explode

:fuckyea:

[yray]

If you think China's technology and efficiency is so good, perhaps I should remind you of the Chinese high speed trains disastrous safety history and shoddy construction?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railway_High-speed#Accident
One fucking accident

Or if you think Hong Kong's MTR technology is so advanced, may I remind you how it was introduced during the British colonial era? and how its service quality has now deteriorated to an abysmal level with frequent train failures, and highly dubious purchases of Mainland China-made trains and parts that do not live up to the expected safety standards?

It was a government corporation until privatization took it to the shit hole? Maybe government run corporations are they key to systems providing public service? :smug:

Our Skytrains fail often enough as well, but we haven't deteriorated into that sorry a state yet, but we might be heading in that direction if we -- as citizens -- don't stop the provincially proposed plan to purchase Mainland China-made Skytrains.

Inside the SkyTrain control room (http://www.vancouversun.com/Inside+SkyTrain+control+room/10092529/story.html)
Floppys FTW

If you ever go hiking anywhere in BC, take a look around you and think about why we can still enjoy all this beautiful nature. And now go look at the multi-coloured chemical rivers that you see in China, or better yet

Britannia Creek, Mount polley, tar sands?

-- look at the massively failed Three Gorges Dam project and the various natural disasters it has caused.

Hey, we are building the site C soon

And then turn to look at the demise of the Chinese white dophin situation in Hong Kong -- it is unfolding right in front of our eyes. When there is no democracy, no public consultation, no business case analysis, disaster is what you get.

Oh damm we got the HST and look what happened after the referendum. 3 Billion down the drain



Kappa

[Traum]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_R...speed#Accident
One fucking accident
That's the one everyone knew about. I suggest that you do some googling to see what other problems plague the Chinese highspeed trains. I'll give you a few to start -- railway sinking, top speed problems, track and train durability / reliability issues, to name a few. For something that's easier to look up information on, just look at the massive wastage that has been repeatedly stalling in the HK-China high speed train.


It was a government corporation until privatization took it to the shit hole? Maybe government run corporations are they key to systems providing public service?

Please don't pretend to be naive -- the HKSAR government is the single largest shareholder of the HK MTR Corp. For all practical purposes, it can easily be viewed as a gov corp.

Inside the SkyTrain control room
Floppys FTW
Did you know that the NASA's spaceshuttle programs ran on ancient computer technology as well? So what's your point?


Hey, we are building the site C soon

If you think the scale of Site C can even be remotely comparable to the Three Gorges Dam Project... FailFish

Oh damm we got the HST and look what happened after the referendum. 3 Billion down the drain
And how many billions of questionable / illicit funds have been funneled out of China and into Vancouver?

And again, nobody ever says democracy is problem free. All it means it there are checks and balances in place to prevent it from massively fxxking up on a repeated basis, and that is precisely what a dictatorship / authoritarian government lacks.

Don't try to defend China when they have obviously fxxked up. It just shows how ignorant you are.

I don't even know why I am wasting time to bother with you when it is crystal clear which system is superior.

[yray]

That's the one everyone knew about. I suggest that you do some googling to see what other problems plague the Chinese highspeed trains. I'll give you a few to start -- railway sinking, top speed problems, track and train durability / reliability issues, to name a few. For something that's easier to look up information on, just look at the massive wastage that has been repeatedly stalling in the HK-China high speed train.

Engineer faults happen all over the world. The city spent a year redoing pipe on the road, they redid it a year later because they messed up.

China is all done on their end, its Hong Kong that's stalling.


Please don't pretend to be naive -- the HKSAR government is the single largest shareholder of the HK MTR Corp. For all practical purposes, it can easily be viewed as a gov corp.

major shareholder big fucking whoop, its still a public company

You can take your money and put it in the company if you want.

Did you know that the NASA's spaceshuttle programs ran on ancient computer technology as well? So what's your point?

they did some what upgrade it in 1991 NASA - Shuttle Computers Navigate Record of Reliability (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/flyout/flyfeature_shuttlecomputers.html)

theres a reason its not flying now


If you think the scale of Site C can even be remotely comparable to the Three Gorges Dam Project... FailFish

Fine, its a smaller dam


And how many billions of questionable / illicit funds have been funneled out of China and into Vancouver?

Isn't that good for canada :lawl: whos gonna feed all those realtors


And again, nobody ever says democracy is problem free. All it means it there are checks and balances in place to prevent it from massively fxxking up on a repeated basis, and that is precisely what a dictatorship / authoritarian government lacks.

does our system have its checks and balances? is it a true democracy that fully represents the people? The american system is the best for checks and balances but look at medicaid

Don't try to defend China when they have obviously fxxked up. It just shows how ignorant you are.

who said I was defending china? Isn't a democracy where people can voice their views? Whatever floats your boat may not work with me, I have every right to say no. You don't have to accept it but I can do as I please.

I don't even know why I am wasting time to bother with you when it is crystal clear which system is superior.but you wasted time here :gay:

:moderated:

[CivicBlues]

This thread needs to move to fight club so gululu can have his say.

[Reeyal]

Sigh...
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/5b/5b7e0fdd39178dc8d4148618607fc96fb8908a1ea62c041196 30f50f349c4ce1.jpg

[m4k4v4li]

a democracy would drive not only China into the ground but crumble the global economy

people want to point fingers and talk about human rights, well when you are able to maintain political stability while managing 1/7th of the worlds population and lift millions out of poverty - that is the biggest human rights justification and nothing short of a miracle

[Traum]

a democracy would drive not only China into the ground but crumble the global economy

people want to point fingers and talk about human rights, well when you are able to maintain political stability while managing 1/7th of the worlds population and lift millions out of poverty - that is the biggest human rights justification and nothing short of a miracle
If your definition of human rights includes forced abortion 7 months into pregnancy, or arresting parents for seeking justice and compensation for their baby formula poisoned children, I have nothing else to say.

Humans are not livestock that only needs to be fed and kept alive, but clearly, you lack the capacity to understand that.

[asian_XL]

believe it or not
Chinese state media says that the 'straddling bus' is nothing more than a big scam: Shanghaiist (http://shanghaiist.com/2016/08/05/straddling_bus_scam.php)

[m4k4v4li]

If your definition of human rights includes forced abortion 7 months into pregnancy, or arresting parents for seeking justice and compensation for their baby formula poisoned children, I have nothing else to say.

Humans are not livestock that only needs to be fed and kept alive, but clearly, you lack the capacity to understand that.

oh ya that's totally what I meant to post
stand corrected

[m4k4v4li]

btw forced abortion is against the law in China (and fyi there is no more one child policy)

what poor uneducated rural local officials do for vigilante justice or to coerce punishment for not paying fines is not representative of the central government

[Timpo]

Whats the benefit of this elevated bus though?

I know it's a new concept and kinda cool...but Tokyo, London, New York, Moscow, Paris,.. any congested cities around the world have been using subway and proven to be effective.

What if there's an accident? Also subways are great for snow/cold weather too. Not that it would matter in warm country like China but still..

[Reeyal]

China has money and can spend it.

[SumAznGuy]

Just a quick update on the scam.
The Road-Straddling Bus From China Sure Looks Dead (http://jalopnik.com/the-straddling-bus-from-china-sure-looks-dead-1789821835)

[meme405]

Just a quick update on the scam.
The Road-Straddling Bus From China Sure Looks Dead (http://jalopnik.com/the-straddling-bus-from-china-sure-looks-dead-1789821835)

LOL!

The bus is currently being looked after by a pair of old security guards who reluctantly admit that they’ve been forgotten about as well.

“The managers from the company have long drifted away, and I am unable to contact them,” said an unidentified guard.

I love the guards dedication, he's probably not even getting paid anymore, and he just keeps showing up to guard the governments enormous failure.

[Traum]

Would someone please remind me? What kind of thing in China is not fake?

[m3thods]

Would someone please remind me? What kind of thing in China is not fake?

The smog

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1656148/images/o-CHINA-SMOG-facebook.jpg