[PeanutButter]

So is anyone else hyped up over this?
The gambling websites seem to think UK will remain in the EU.

Playnow is offering 1.03:1 odds UK will remain
and 9:1 odds UK will exit.

The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887)

What is happening?
A referendum is being held on Thursday, 23 June, to decide whether Britain should leave or remain in the European Union. This article is designed to be an easy-to-understand guide. Thanks for all your questions - we've answered a selection at the bottom of the page.

What is a referendum?
A referendum is basically a vote in which everyone (or nearly everyone) of voting age can take part, normally giving a "Yes" or "No" answer to a question. Whichever side gets more than half of all votes cast is considered to have won.

Why is a referendum being held?
Prime Minister David Cameron promised to hold one if he won the 2015 general election, in response to growing calls from his own Conservative MPs and the UK Independence Party (UKIP), who argued that Britain had not had a say since 1975, when it voted to stay in the EU in a referendum. The EU has changed a lot since then, gaining more control over our daily lives, they argued. Mr Cameron said: "It is time for the British people to have their say. It is time to settle this European question in British politics."

[Traum]

By all indications, it is going to be very, very close. It could have swung either way, and have been doing so for the last little bit. But I agree that the current climate seems to favour the Remain camp by just a bit.

Regardless of how the outcome turns out, I don't think either camp would be happy. The bitching (and controversy) are not going to stop.

[68style]

There's been as much as a 20% undecided vote factor... and when it comes down to it, the type of people who say they're "not sure" when asked about something so clear cut will ALWAYS err on the side of caution when pushed to choose something. They will stay in the EU. Xenophobia over immigration is less important to most people than potentially destroying their financial net worth.

[Traum]

Personally, I don't know whether the undecided vote factor is bigger, or the actually coming out to vote factor is bigger. For reasons that are completely beyond my comprehension, a LOT of people do not come out and vote, even though they often make all kinds of noise supporting one side or the other.

[HonestTea]

Personally, I think they're gonna remain in EU.

[StylinRed]

I think the terrorist murder of the MP swayed many undecided to stay

[ae101]

Just cuz I know some of u gamble

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result

[meme405]

Just cuz I know some of u gamble

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result

Odd's are shit for voting on the actual outcome.

I bet on the percentages though. Bet 365 currently has:

UK to remain at 65.01% - 70.00% (in play bet) - 20/1
UK to Remain at 60.01% - 66.00% (in play bet) - 13/2

So 50 bucks on 65-70 will net over 1000 bucks.
50 bucks on 60-66 will net almost 400.

I bet both, just to cover more ground, I think this vote will be more lopsided than some think.

The other interesting one that Bet365 has is regional specific voting, so you can bet on the outcome in like just england, or just scotland, or just wales. Trouble is I don't know much about politics in the individual areas, otherwise I could see some room to make money in some of those odds.

[StylinRed]

I think the terrorist murder of the MP swayed many undecided to stay

Why the fail nsmb? That's the opinion of many analysts on the BBC too...

[EmperorIS]

Why the fail nsmb? That's the opinion of many analysts on the BBC too...

I think its a stupid reason to change your vote due to that incident. You would be changing for emotional reasons but not a logical one.

[StylinRed]

I think its a stupid reason to change your vote due to that incident. You would be changing for emotional reasons but not a logical one.

Agreed but unecideds are easily swayed

[Hehe]

Currently giving a slight lead to leave camp.

If they succeed, prepare for shitstorm tomorrow at Bay/Wall st. :lawl:

[HonestTea]

Yep, GBP is already taking a beating.

[Hehe]

Leave just broke 1M votes... with remain following closely at 900k

[Hehe]

Yep, GBP is already taking a beating.

Not just GBP, pretty much anything except USD and JPY are taking the result hard.

USD:CAD went from 1.27x at close to 1.29x in matter of minutes.

[Hehe]

Remain surpassed leave!

[Traum]

Not just GBP, pretty much anything except USD and JPY are taking the result hard.

USD:CAD went from 1.27x at close to 1.29x in matter of minutes.
Holy shxt... so glad I ordered my car parts before the Brexit polls... :badpokerface:

While I am not surprised the Leave camp is leading, I am quite surprised by the margin they are leading with. 12% more votes than the Remain camp wasn't something I was expecting at all. I was expecting the margin to be within 5% for either side, and definitely no more than a 10% difference. But WOW...

As an aside, watching the Brexit vote count is way more exciting than watching the 3 Lions play in Euro 2016... :badpokerface:

[Nlkko]

Fcking stupid British..... A Black Friday event is not good for anyone.

Still early though.

[HonestTea]

Most betting sites now have LEAVE as the favorite

[tiger_handheld]

anyone have the vegas odds on this?

vegas predicted the Scotts will stay long before the vote. I'm sure this will be the same!

[jasonturbo]

Leave clearly going to win.

[Hehe]

UK: Bah bye EU

[threezero]

here comes the shit storm. EU mind as well just disassemble itself, UK is just the first of many to leave

[HonestTea]

It's pretty much over.

[SkinnyPupp]

First this and next thing you know Trump will be building a wall and banning muslim immigrants... We're devolving

[Nlkko]

Looks like a decent blow for Clinton that market will tank on this nonsense from UK.

[68style]

This is really bad, now Scotland, who voted heavily to remain, will re-organize it's "Depart the UK" movement... nevermind the shitstorm on the stock market and currency exchange tomorrow. Fucking shortsighted assholes.

[XplicitLuder]

so theyre exiting for sure ? or just a heavy heavy favorite ?

[EmperorIS]

https://twitter.com/missingfaktor/status/745397014276497408

[SkunkWorks]

I don't even...

This is crazy. The uneducated and short-sighted reminds me of our HST debacle not long ago.

[Traum]

First this and next thing you know Trump will be building a wall and banning muslim immigrants... We're devolving
Trump building a wall and banning Muslim immigrants are definitely signs of devolving, but Britons choosing to leave the UK isn't even remotely close to any sort of devolving at all. It is simply a matter of priorities and choices.

So they chose national sovereignty before economic strength, but why is that "wrong"? It is no different than you or me choosing to work in a job that pays less, but gives you more satisfaction.

This is really bad, now Scotland, who voted heavily to remain, will re-organize it's "Depart the UK" movement... nevermind the shitstorm on the stock market and currency exchange tomorrow. Fucking shortsighted assholes.
Again, I don't view people in the Leave camp as shortsighted assholes. There is no doubt there will be further de-stabilization of the EU and perhaps the UK as well. The stock market will probably head for a downward turn -- perhaps even for an extended length of time. But is that the Britons' "fault"? Again, it is simply a matter of choice. Compare the EU membership to a couple in an unhappy marriage. So one of the spouse is filing for divorce now because he/she is unhappy in the marriage. Does that automatically make one spouse an asshole? For what it is worth, it will make both persons in the marriage poorer too.

[Traum]

I don't even...

This is crazy. The uneducated and short-sighted reminds me of our HST debacle not long ago.
I'd view the HST debacle under quite a different light. With the HST already in place, there is really no benefit of any kind at all to roll it back. The only satisfaction the public would get is "teaching the BC Libs a lesson", which really amounted to nothing since these no-HST idiots promptly voted the Liberals back to another term in the office. And we haven't even talked about the economic costs from the rollback. Now that is what I'd call shortsightedness.

[7seven]

Well this was a surprising result

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

[jackmeister]

gg no re (eu and the world)

[murd0c]

the world is going to shit and with this happening this could be a domino effect with the rest of europe going to shit and more civil uprise and possible go into the directing of WW3

[EmperorIS]

When is that space ship to Mars ready?

[68style]

Trump building a wall and banning Muslim immigrants are definitely signs of devolving, but Britons choosing to leave the UK isn't even remotely close to any sort of devolving at all. It is simply a matter of priorities and choices.

So they chose national sovereignty before economic strength, but why is that "wrong"? It is no different than you or me choosing to work in a job that pays less, but gives you more satisfaction.


Again, I don't view people in the Leave camp as shortsighted assholes. There is no doubt there will be further de-stabilization of the EU and perhaps the UK as well. The stock market will probably head for a downward turn -- perhaps even for an extended length of time. But is that the Britons' "fault"? Again, it is simply a matter of choice. Compare the EU membership to a couple in an unhappy marriage. So one of the spouse is filing for divorce now because he/she is unhappy in the marriage. Does that automatically make one spouse an asshole? For what it is worth, it will make both persons in the marriage poorer too.


The primary argument of leavers is to close England's borders, therefore building a "wall" into the UK (and out of, but the assholes who primarily voted on this basis don't care because they're the type of people to never move out of their little shit towns) so yes, I do stand by calling them short-sighted assholes.

This is less like the UK divorcing the EU and moreso like the UK choosing to be in an unhappy relationship within its own member countries, and now banning any strangers or friends from coming over and focusing only on fighting within itself.

Nevermind how ridiculous this makes democracy look in that something can pass even though nearly 49% of the population is completely opposed to it.

[Nlkko]

Black Friday circuit breaker day. Black Swan event, weaken other market like US. S&P futures dumped over 100 points and market is not even open. Federal Reserve, who has played every single cards right thus far this year to take market up (strengthening Clinton bid in the process) can no longer hike rate, would be interesting to see their counter.

Meanwhile bad economy is bad for Clinton and great for Trump popularity. Undecided will look at UK and be like, yep, Trump makes sense, let's do it.

From the polls breakdown it's clear the higher education population chose to remain and the hoi polloi chose to leave.

I'm sure it will be fine.

[CorneringArtist]

Oil has dropped to $46 a barrel as the votes leaned to Leave. The Sterling has also taken a few more hits in the wake of the vote as well.

[Hehe]

so theyre exiting for sure ? or just a heavy heavy favorite ?

the world is going to shit and with this happening this could be a domino effect with the rest of europe going to shit and more civil uprise and possible go into the directing of WW3

Nah... it's just a movie with twisted end that no one likes. :badpokerface:

The referendum basically says that british choose to leave EU. But then it'd go through the 2yr negotiation period with the rest of EU members. You can bet that by the time we reach that point, everything would be normalized/accounted for.

I can't say the remaining EU members wouldn't be tempted to leave, but to be frank, only France and Germany would be able to sorta benefit from leaving EU as they are strong economically to make it work. However, both countries were the brain of EU establishment and they won't let it go easily.

Other EU members would be too scared/little interest to leave EU as they would go into recession/economic uncertainty if they do.

Tl;dr... relax... it's just some unexpected turbulence, the flight would continue as planned.

[Ch28]

the world is going to shit and with this happening this could be a domino effect with the rest of europe going to shit and more civil uprise and possible go into the directing of WW3
Ugh....Britain leaving EU leading to WW3? Jumping the gun a little bit there, don't you think?

[Traum]

Nevermind how ridiculous this makes democracy look in that something can pass even though nearly 49% of the population is completely opposed to it.
This is something I completely agree with. For such a major and important issue, deciding on an outcome via a simple majority is taking things too lightly. Many places require something along the lines of 2/3 majority before major decisions, motions, or amendments can pass. When a policy has as much resistance as the Brexit debate, the bickering and fighting can never be stopped regardless of how the outcome turns out. The requirements to pass the something this major should have been higher.

[Nlkko]

UK just trumped US in wall building category.

[RRxtar]

can someone reasonably unbiasedly give a couple of pros and cons of staying and leaving from britains point of view.

i don't have enough time to sort thru e-pinions but im just wondering

[Traum]

can someone reasonably unbiasedly give a couple of pros and cons of staying and leaving from britains point of view.

i don't have enough time to sort thru e-pinions but im just wondering
This BBC article here gives a pretty clear and unbiased opinion on both sides:

The UK's EU referendum: All you need to know - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887)


Why do they want the UK to leave?
They believe Britain is being held back by the EU, which they say imposes too many rules on business and charges billions of pounds a year in membership fees for little in return. They also want Britain to take back full control of its borders and reduce the number of people coming here to live and/or work. One of the main principles of EU membership is "free movement", which means you don't need to get a visa to go and live in another EU country. They also object to the idea of "ever closer union" and what they see as moves towards the creation of a "United States of Europe".

Why do they want the UK to stay?
Those campaigning for Britain to stay in the EU say it gets a big boost from membership - it makes selling things to other EU countries easier and, they argue, the flow of immigrants, most of whom are young and keen to work, fuels economic growth and helps pay for public services. They also believe Britain's status in the world would be damaged by leaving and that we are more secure as part of the 28 nation club, rather than going it alone.
Now, I generally agree that the reasons to stay make for a stronger argument for me, and if I were a UK citizen, I would have voted to Remain as well. But I understand the sentiments of the Leave camp as well.

[PeanutButter]

I don't even...

This is crazy. The uneducated and short-sighted reminds me of our HST debacle not long ago.

I don't think this is anywhere close to being the same thing.
The HST was black and white.
This vote has many variables

[6o4__boi]

What's that #Brexit is evolving?
#Brexit evolved into #CEUlater

[The_AK]

When is that space ship to Mars ready?

Get in line, buddy

[dbaz]

welp at least i won on the bet.

[westopher]

Why the fail nsmb? That's the opinion of many analysts on the BBC too...
All he does is fail people and never contribute to any conversation.

[Iceman_2K]

Yes! Pound is tanking! Making much on that lol.

[Nlkko]

US dollar and gold safe haven right now. So dont expect usdcad to drop any time soon.

[HonestTea]

Watching David Cameron speaking live and I think hes gone.

[shawnly1000]

BREAKING: David Cameron announces he is to resign as Prime Minister of Britain. Says he is 'proud' to have served his country.

[HonestTea]

Yep, he's gone.

Well I won my bet too now

[threezero]

Nah... it's just a movie with twisted end that no one likes. :badpokerface:

The referendum basically says that british choose to leave EU. But then it'd go through the 2yr negotiation period with the rest of EU members. You can bet that by the time we reach that point, everything would be normalized/accounted for.

I can't say the remaining EU members wouldn't be tempted to leave, but to be frank, only France and Germany would be able to sorta benefit from leaving EU as they are strong economically to make it work. However, both countries were the brain of EU establishment and they won't let it go easily.

Other EU members would be too scared/little interest to leave EU as they would go into recession/economic uncertainty if they do.

Tl;dr... relax... it's just some unexpected turbulence, the flight would continue as planned.


I really believe France and Germany is going to leave right not they are not gaining much staying in the Eu. All they are getting is poor migrant from other EU countries rushing into their border. Judging by world sentiment this along is compelling enough to just end the whole thing. Without France and Germany the whole EU should basically just disband and call it a day

[StylinRed]

Scotland is saying vote to leave UK in 30months, and there's Northern Ireland too

If those murmurings keep increasing, buying into the GBP may not be a good idea boys

Buying from your favourite online UK realtor tho :P

Buying Euros tho may be the better bet

[StylinRed]

Looks like the average Brits had no idea why they left either

https://www.twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746137920940056578

[SkinnyPupp]

T

So they chose national sovereignty before economic strength


First, I doubt that's why many [or any] of the rural and/or older voters were voting for. You should realise that people voting to leave care more about xenophobia than anything other issue.

Second, I'd argue that nationalism is the opposite of what the human species needs to do to evolve any further than we are, or were 100 years ago. Nationalism, religion, racism, any sort of ideology that makes you exclude people for being different, is going to keep us held back.

Not that it matters if the earth becomes uninhabitable in a century or so, I suppose :nyan:

[underscore]

While I don't understand all the finer details, I do know I'll be saving some money by not bothering to get my UK citizenship and passport in a few years.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

First, I doubt that's why many [or any] of the rural and/or older voters were voting for. You should realise that people voting to leave care more about xenophobia than anything other issue.

Second, I'd argue that nationalism is the opposite of what the human species needs to do to evolve any further than we are, or were 100 years ago. Nationalism, religion, racism, any sort of ideology that makes you exclude people for being different, is going to keep us held back.

Not that it matters if the earth becomes uninhabitable in a century or so, I suppose :nyan:

yeah but no system can include everyone either.

being inclusive of everyone isn't a sign of advancement either.

peace=/=advancement

a super advanced society can exist with super advanced violence.

extremism has its place. if you include everyone, you get this kinda "balanced" average of everything.

with extremism, you go in one direction, and you go further than you can ever imagine.

without extremism, you can never achieve and realise those advancements.

it's always a balance. it goes back and forth, with each wave we catch a little bit more and learn a little bit more.

if you stay in one mode forever, you die from imbalance.

things are fractal. the fact that we want our own property, our own home, our own place, separated from our neighbours and such, is just a smaller version of wanting to be sovereign.

as long as some form of whatever topic you choose exists at some level, it means it exists at all levels.

the fact is, the world isn't big enough to include everyone. there will never be constant peace, nor constant war. it will always fluctuate back and forth, forever.

[4444]

I really believe France and Germany is going to leave right not they are not gaining much staying in the Eu. All they are getting is poor migrant from other EU countries rushing into their border. Judging by world sentiment this along is compelling enough to just end the whole thing. Without France and Germany the whole EU should basically just disband and call it a day

Germany not getting much from EU?

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

Germany has been massively taking in immigrants (this is not a discussion of the refugees) as they need the cheap labour.

Germany being in the EU, and more importantly the Euro currency, is a MASSIVE boon for them, they are the biggest producer of high value products in Europe and get to sell on a level currency playing field. More importantly, because the Euro is so relatively weak these days, it makes German exports more attractive than they would be if the DM were still around.

Being in a free market is amazing in Europe, inputs to production are steadily priced and more competitive. I'm British and was borderline exit as I believe in selective migration, but being in Europe, the economic free market is something we MUST retain.

Germany would be one of the last to leave, make no mistakes about that.

Non-bailed out periphery countries may start to look at exiting next. The rise in the right wing will drive this. Netherlands, France, Italy, Austria... there may be some rumblings coming.

My view is this - buy GB right now if you have a long term outlook. It may take well over 2 years to negotiate the exit, there will be a LOT of uncertainty, as such prices will be volatile (and generally low), BUY BUY BUY.

Long term, GB is a massive economy, Europe needs the GB economy, GB needs Europe - trade deals will be struck... easy movement of people will remain (may not be free, though).

In 10 years, one's return in buying GB will likely be high given you have taken on increased uncertainty and risk - this is the same story over and over again (GFC in 2008 the most recent).

Buy when others sell. Others are selling GB right now.

GBP now, GB stocks over next 2 years. GB real estate in 1-2 years. Plenty of opportunities for some aggressive risk taking and high long term gains (for those that can stomach the ups and downs).

Never count out the British (except in football, we will never win in football).

[68style]

Well done old chap! Buddy could be a used car salesman on Kingsway.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GMB/status/746218028195426305

[Mr.Money]

I'm waiting to see how many unemployed people race to the job centre, now that there will be less competition for the shitty jobs they claim the EU migrants were keeping them from!

[jasonturbo]

Germany being in the EU, and more importantly the Euro currency, is a MASSIVE boon for them, they are the biggest producer of high value products in Europe and get to sell on a level currency playing field. More importantly, because the Euro is so relatively weak these days, it makes German exports more attractive than they would be if the DM were still around.


Bingo, for this reason alone Germany benefits more from the EU than any other nation.

Unfortunately, this is also why smaller less economically developed countries like Greece and Portugal are falling to pieces, just as the currency made German exports much cheaper, they make Greek and Portuguese products and tourism much more expensive etc.

I do believe the EU offers an overall net benefit, however, some of the powers that be really need to re-evaluate how some countries benefit more than others and how the financial impact of the common currency is a major contributor to things like 30% unemployment - sure you can send the struggling countries a financial care package every quarter but it won't fix the structural issue they have created.

I think there is a very high probability that other EU nations will see similar referendums in the near future, it could be two years from now after the UK has ratified new trade agreements with the EU, but I doubt it will take that long.

[adambomb]

EU to UK...:gtfo:

The EU’s top leaders have said they expect the UK to act on its momentous vote to leave the union “as soon as possible, however painful that process may be” and that there will be “no renegotiation”.


EU leaders call for UK to leave as soon as possible | Politics | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/europe-plunged-crisis-britain-votes-leave-eu-european-union)

[Nlkko]

You know I thought there would be worse reaction on the market but seems the cavalry stepped in and we are down barely fiddy points on S&P 500.

[pastarocket]

I think there will be some ripple effects of Brexit on the US economy as well because some US corporations do business in the UK.

Trump is already using the Brexit as a way to voice his prediction that Americans will vote for change against the establishment in November.

I guess he wasn't just visiting his Scottish golf courses after all. :troll:

Trump hails Brexit: 'They took back their country' - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-hails-brexit-224758)

[4444]

what I see on facebook, threads like this:
most people know shit all about the global economy, how the EU works, how international trade works, etc.

I see people posting about "Polish workers having to leave the UK" - this is bullshit, if you are legally in the UK today, you can legally stay.

I am legally in the EU on a British passport, guess what, legally I cannot be touched, I will get a residence permit - big deal.

Uncertainty is what people didn't want - we don't know what will happen, but just know this:

it may end up being worse out economically
it may end up being better out economically
no matter what, it won't be an absolute disaster to any nation or economy on the whole.

Individuals may be hurt (I will be in a worse position because of this), but whatever, life goes on, brexit isn't that big of a deal unless you were planning on moving to UK from EU under the free movement of people. if you're skilled and in demand, UK work permit is easy to get.

[Verdasco]

its obvious that the brits dont want foreign immigrants to come in their borders no more

easy bet


its like asking if vancouver wants more Chinese :troll: Kappaf

[6o4__boi]

https://twitter.com/KyashKT/status/746212178940698624

[GLOW]

i was waiting for 4444 to post his thoughts on the situation, was not disappointed.

[Mr.Money]

what I see on facebook, threads like this:
most people know shit all about the global economy, how the EU works, how international trade works, etc.

I see people posting about "Polish workers having to leave the UK" - this is bullshit, if you are legally in the UK today, you can legally stay.

I am legally in the EU on a British passport, guess what, legally I cannot be touched, I will get a residence permit - big deal.

Uncertainty is what people didn't want - we don't know what will happen, but just know this:

it may end up being worse out economically
it may end up being better out economically
no matter what, it won't be an absolute disaster to any nation or economy on the whole.

Individuals may be hurt (I will be in a worse position because of this), but whatever, life goes on, brexit isn't that big of a deal unless you were planning on moving to UK from EU under the free movement of people. if you're skilled and in demand, UK work permit is easy to get.

so what do you think of this.... as the free moment of people still applies for two years, are we likely to get a proper flood of immigration as a result? Who knows. Immigration is a net gain in the long term but obviously adding a million people to London population in two years would provide some challenges with infrastructure....

[murd0c]

http://i.imgur.com/FisrLzs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CQq8nGZ.jpg

https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/746126944782139392

[4444]

i was waiting for 4444 to post his thoughts on the situation, was not disappointed.

What are you saying?

[4444]

so what do you think of this.... as the free moment of people still applies for two years, are we likely to get a proper flood of immigration as a result? Who knows. Immigration is a net gain in the long term but obviously adding a million people to London population in two years would provide some challenges with infrastructure....

EU migration Flows won't materially change in stub period. There won't magically be more jobs for these ppl who could have moved at anytime in recent history - in fact, given new uncertainty, there will likely be fewer jobs.

[GLOW]

i had no real idea of the situation, figured you would have good info and could enlighten me, especially since you're somewhere in europe.

usually my posts are very sarcastic, so i can see why you may have been :suspicious:
:lol
but my post was serious. i had no idea what was going on there and wanted to be aware of what was happening, now i'm aware :)

[jasonturbo]

4444 is evil greedy corporate capitalist... taking advantage of opportunities to make money, just like the rest of the 1%.

Shame on you.

Socialism FTW #trudeau4life

[Hehe]

4444 is evil greedy corporate capitalist... taking advantage of opportunities to make money, just like the rest of the 1%.

Shame on you.

Socialism FTW #trudeau4life

Trudeau is socialism?!? :fulloffuck:

[Gucci Mane]

https://twitter.com/AnupKaphle/status/746374564733648896

[Harvey Specter]

Well British passport is worthless, banks and other financial related business will probably bail to another financial hub in the EU and the idiots who voted out will be in a worst financial position they were in prior to the vote. Thank god they didn't adapt the Euro, imagine setting up a new currency.

[The7even]

First, I doubt that's why many [or any] of the rural and/or older voters were voting for. You should realise that people voting to leave care more about xenophobia than anything other issue.

Second, I'd argue that nationalism is the opposite of what the human species needs to do to evolve any further than we are, or were 100 years ago. Nationalism, religion, racism, any sort of ideology that makes you exclude people for being different, is going to keep us held back.

Not that it matters if the earth becomes uninhabitable in a century or so, I suppose :nyan:


That's that leftist crap that drove the people to vote for the exit in the first place.

What do you know? People with a culture don't like seeing their own culture / heritage destroyed. Who would have thought.

Mixing everyone together is a pretty stupid idea and will only serve to divide people more. There is nothing wrong with healthy nationalism.

[GS8]

That stock market...

:heckno:

I'm sure it'll rebound.....eventually but wow so far


NEW YORK -- Stocks are plunging in the U.S. and worldwide Friday after Britain voted to leave the European Union. The result stunned investors, who reacted by rushing to the safety of gold and U.S. government bonds as they wondered what will come next for Britain, Europe and the global economy.

U.S. stocks took far smaller losses than markets in Europe and Asia, but were still sharply lower in morning trading. The Dow Jones industrial average was down 378 points, or 2.1%, to 17,631 as of 10:55 a.m. It was down as much as 538 points earlier.

The S&P 500 is on pace for its biggest loss since January, down 48 points, or 2.3%, to 2,064. The Nasdaq composite dropped 134 points, or 2.7%, to 4,775.

Britons voted to leave the EU over concerns including immigration and regulation. It's far from clear what that will mean for international trade or for Europe, as the EU, which was formed in the decades following the Second World War, has never before lost a member state.

The vote brought a massive dose of uncertainty to financial markets, something investors loathe. Traders responded by dumping riskier assets that appeared to have the most to lose from disruptions in financial flows and trade: banks, technology companies and makers of basic materials.

The vote will start years of negotiations over Britain's trade, business and political links. Observers wonder if other nations will follow in Britain's footsteps by leaving the EU.

"This entire process is going to take a long time," said David Kelly, chief global strategist at JPMorgan Asset Management. "This is a negative in economic terms for the U.K. The EU will be very tough negotiators with them."

Banks took the largest losses by far. Citigroup plummeted $3.61, or 8.1%, to $40.85 and Bank of America fell 79 cents, or 5.6%, to $13.25.

Technology stocks also took hefty losses. Microsoft fell $1.26, or 2.4%, to $50.65 and IBM gave up $5.71, or 3.7%, to $149.64.

Banks have the most to lose in Britain's departure from the EU as they do a lot of cross-border business in Europe based from their offices in London.

Safety assets soared. Gold jumped $51, or 4%, to $1,315 an ounce. Newmont Mining rose the most in the S&P 500 index. It gained $2.08, or 5.9%, to $37.47. The price of silver climbed 41 cents, or 2.4%, to $17.77 an ounce.

Investors also bought utility company stocks and left phone companies basically unchanged while other parts of the market took big losses. Duke Energy rose 82 cents, or 1%, to $82.87 and Consolidated Edison gained $1.45, or 1.9%, to $78.31 while Verizon added 32 cents to $55.

The Federal Reserve said it is carefully monitoring financial markets and co-operating with central banks overseas.

Investors had sent stocks higher this week as they gradually grew more confident, based on polls and the changing odds in the betting market, that Britain would stay in the E.U. They sent the pound to its highest price of the year and sold bonds, pushing their yields higher.

Those gains were rapidly undone Friday as the euro tumbled and the pound plunged to a 31-year low, while bond yields hit some of their lowest levels of the year and gold surged to a two-year high.

Britain's FTSE 100 plunged as much as 8% but recovered much of its losses later, falling 1.9%. The German index sank 5.6% and France's index tumbled 6.5%.

The pound hit its lowest level since 1985 before recovering slightly to trade at $1.3648. That's still far below the $1.4808 it traded at late Thursday in New York.

Oil prices fell sharply. Benchmark U.S. crude lost $2.14, or 4.2%, to $48 a barrel in New York. Brent crude, the international benchmark, fell $2.29, or 4.5%, to $48.62 a barrel in London.

"This will be an act of economic self-harm with global ramifications," said Samuel Tombs, chief U.K. economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics.

It could also threaten London's position as one of the world's pre-eminent financial centres as professionals could lose the right to work across the EU. The U.K. hosts more headquarters of non-EU firms than Germany, France, Switzerland and the Netherlands put together.

The Bank of England said it had made contingency plans for a "leave" vote and promised to take action to maintain stability. It noted that it has 250 billion pounds ($342 billion) in liquidity available for banks. "We are well prepared for this," the bank's governor, Mark Carney, said in a televised statement.

Japan's Nikkei 225 finished the wild day down 7.9%, its biggest loss since the global financial crisis in 2008. South Korea's Kospi sank 3.1%, its worst day in four years. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index tumbled 4.4% and stocks in Shanghai, Taiwan, Sydney, Mumbai and Southeast Asian countries were sharply lower.

In other currencies, the dollar fell to 102.16 yen from 104.47 yen while the euro weakened to $1.1117 from $1.1351.

Stocks crash after U.K. vote to quit EU | Sudbury Star (http://www.thesudburystar.com/2016/06/24/stocks-crash-after-uk-vote-to-quit-eu-shocks-investors)

[The7even]

http://i.imgur.com/FisrLzs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CQq8nGZ.jpg

https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/746126944782139392

So the current generation should pay for the sins of their fathers.

[ZN6]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

"Even though I voted to leave, this morning I woke up and I just — the reality did actually hit me," one woman told the news channel ITV News. "If I'd had the opportunity to vote again, it would be to stay."

Fucking stay out of polls if you don't know what you're voting for. But then you get blasted for not voting.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2fn320Dyc1r3ifxzo1_400.gif

[Nlkko]

Someone shared this about brexit, funny as hell:

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee466/Nlkko/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1466796253501_zps2mrqsvqy.jpg

[kunoman1]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/167D6/production/_90081129_eu_ref_uk_regions_leave_remain_gra624_by _age.png

Sigh..

[Gucci Mane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

"Even though I voted to leave, this morning I woke up and I just — the reality did actually hit me," one woman told the news channel ITV News. "If I'd had the opportunity to vote again, it would be to stay."

Fucking stay out of polls if you don't know what you're voting for. But then you get blasted for not voting.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2fn320Dyc1r3ifxzo1_400.gif

lol check out the twitter link i posted with a video just a few posts up. its the same woman they're talking about. what a fucking retart.

this is concerning only in the slightest possible way right? :pokerface:

https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746303118820937728

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/united-kingdom-uk-brexit-google-european-union-what-is-eu-referendum-euref

[jasonturbo]

Where is CIC at?

I want to hear all about the "Evil zionist insider-plot to crush the UK economy so they run back to the EU, showing the world that a one-government system is the best and only solution for continued life on earth"

[jasonturbo]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/167D6/production/_90081129_eu_ref_uk_regions_leave_remain_gra624_by _age.png

Sigh..

What's with the sigh, is it possible that with age comes wisdom and knowledge?

Of course the younger demographic wants to stay in, being out of the euro greatly limits their geographic mobility, something very important to young people who are not yet tied down with families and careers and may also be looking to attend university out of country etc.

[kunoman1]

Ah very true that is a possibility. I have an obviously biased opinion as I have many friends from the UK (around college aged as well).

It's easy to fall into a pattern of blaming the older generation for nationalist pride and xenophobic sentiment, whereas there is/was (hopefully) a multitude of other influencers in their decision making process.

[Sid Vicious]

What's with the sigh, is it possible that with age comes wisdom and knowledge?

Of course the younger demographic wants to stay in, being out of the euro greatly limits their geographic mobility, something very important to young people who are not yet tied down with families and careers and may also be looking to attend university out of country etc.

lmao, is this forreal?

you know that hours before the polls closed that there was a huge spike in google searches for "what is the EU"

so it's clear that these old timers have no idea what the hell they're even voting for and are thoroughly uninformed regarding the situation

#1 point against democracy is that the people are too stupid to understand what theyre even voting for

[CRS]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/167D6/production/_90081129_eu_ref_uk_regions_leave_remain_gra624_by _age.png

Sigh..

http://i.imgur.com/JAPNUHW.jpg

[ZN6]

lol check out the twitter link i posted with a video just a few posts up. its the same woman they're talking about. what a fucking retart.



Yeah, if only the number of No's were as big as hers, Brexit might not have gone through.

[jasonturbo]

lmao, is this forreal?

you know that hours before the polls closed that there was a huge spike in google searches for "what is the EU"

so it's clear that these old timers have no idea what the hell they're even voting for and are thoroughly uninformed regarding the situation

#1 point against democracy is that the people are too stupid to understand what theyre even voting for

I didn't realize Google made you enter your age before performing a search?

[ScizzMoney]

I didn't realize Google made you enter your age before performing a search?

It does for the stuff I google :fullofwin:

[kunoman1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXPM8Xe4HC0

[EmperorIS]

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5866/71/original/640.jpg

[inv4zn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXPM8Xe4HC0

A rare moment caught on video showcasing the phenomenon where an attractive person becomes less and less so by simply speaking :facepalm:

[Ronin]

Lots of investment opportunities incoming?

Whether it's the market or exchange rates, lots of stuff took a sharp dive today.

[DGN23]

Just wow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ktojE6WQA

[BBMme]

So far it doesn't look so good.

[tiger_handheld]

That stock market...

:heckno:

I'm sure it'll rebound.....eventually but wow so far




Stocks crash after U.K. vote to quit EU | Sudbury Star (http://www.thesudburystar.com/2016/06/24/stocks-crash-after-uk-vote-to-quit-eu-shocks-investors)


what an amazing day to buy!

sell when others are greedy, and buy when others are fearful ....



edit: refyendum... the new amberlamps, pagent, sauce?

[corollagtSr5]

Petition to hold 2nd Brexit vote gaining steam in UK - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2786065/petition-to-hold-second-brexit-vote-gaining-steam-in-uk/)

[The7even]

Petition to hold 2nd Brexit vote gaining steam in UK - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2786065/petition-to-hold-second-brexit-vote-gaining-steam-in-uk/)

"omg guys, you didn't vote the right way, let's do this again until you get it right! " - leftist democracy.

[MG1]

No, no, no, no, no..............Please, no more immigrants with British accents. I caunt taik it anymoor...........

Better than Aussie accent, I guess....... or an obnoxious french accent :lawl:

Just kidding........


When I call a help line and get someone who speaks "Canadian", it's like winning the fricken lottery. I can actually understand what the fuck they're saying.

[GS8]

Petition to hold 2nd Brexit vote gaining steam in UK - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2786065/petition-to-hold-second-brexit-vote-gaining-steam-in-uk/)

That would be a stain on democracy itself. These fucknuts had their chance to analyze both sides and logically pick one that was best suited to their interests. Voting happened and this is the result.

They weren't voting for the employee of the week, they were voting for the future of their fucking country. I'm glad the EU is trying to push them out ASAP.

They voted. Now they must relish in their decision.

Online petitions are about as effective as brushing your teeth with maple syrup.

[westopher]

That would be a stain on democracy itself. These fucknuts had their chance to analyze both sides and logically pick one that was best suited to their interests. Voting happened and this is the result.

They weren't voting for the employee of the week, they were voting for the future of their fucking country. I'm glad the EU is trying to push them out ASAP.

They voted. Now they must relish in their decision.

Online petitions are about as effective as brushing your teeth with maple syrup.
The biggest stain on democracy is that 90% of voters have no idea what the fuck they are doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o

[jasonturbo]

The worst thing about democracy is voters who think they know what's best for everyone else.

[Carl Johnson]

"Almost nothing great has ever been done in the world except by the genius and firmness of a single man/woman combating the prejudices of the multitude." - Voltaire

[Traum]

Saw this on my FB feed, and I am appalled by the things that some of these "young people" are saying...

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian/videos/10154285363056323/

:facepalm:

Dudes and dudettes, everyone in the country had an equal chance to come out and vote. The majority of the "old farts" came out to exercise their rights, while the majority of the younger generation did not come out to do so. What is there to blame, bitch, and complain about at all?

[Raid3n]

a friend of mine that lives in the UK, has lived there for a good while, and is a british citizen (is of Japanese/Danish decent) had this happen today.

Just had a laminated card pushed through my door that said. "now we voted out, you scum should fuck off out"

and apparently had a brick thrown at her house (which she owns, doesn't rent)

[westopher]

In a city, or small town?

[CharlesInCharge]

An Iranian was beaten then set on fire to die only a few years ago... even the police didnt help in the initial assaults.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8kXWgomQEU
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478285/Innocent-man-burned-death-vigilante-neighbours-mistook-paedophile.html



http://i.imgur.com/aPm9Yrr.jpg

Like the 7 year cycle calendar that I posted last year, we're also into a jubilee (every 50) year.
The medias subtle brainwashing (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpw-GbEpjR4),
false flag 911,
and the creation of "islamic" terror groups
were to throne in total control of the middle east... specially in energy rich Iran.

Of course ISIS is on its way out and the plan has failed on this Jubilee, so who knows what plan b is now and how it will effect Canada.
If we do or dont confront Russia, China and Iran.. either way Im thinking we'll eventually turn out like the Brazilian model. Someone getting shot in the street everyday.
http://i.imgur.com/iqqAuA5.jpg

[westopher]

Its too bad so many of your reasonable thoughts get muddled in with the ridiculous ones, because some of your points I agree strongly with.

[CharlesInCharge]

Ridiculous? Maybe youre just reluctant to open your eyes. My calendar economic crash thread.
http://www.revscene.net/forums/702654-next-economic-crash-coming-2015-2016-a.html

edit
speaking of Charles.... which Charles is crazier? Me or him.
Climate change partly to blame for Syria war
http://globalnews.ca/news/2356227/prince-charles-climate-change-partly-to-blame-for-syria-war/

[Raid3n]

In a city, or small town?

Stoke-on-trent

firework shot at her window today, broke another one.

[Traum]

The fallout from Brexit is really turning out to be more dramatic than anything anyone can possibly imagine. From the lack of any post-Leave plans, to the denial of responsibilities from all kinds of politicians, to the infighting and implosion of political parties and individual political careers, to the Scotland and Gibraltar's own EU plans...

I feel like I'm in a position to :Popcorn and just watch everything unfold, but somehow, I know the fallout will ripple through the world and drag us down one way or another as well...

[6o4__boi]

The fallout from Brexit is really turning out to be more dramatic than anything anyone can possibly imagine. From the lack of any post-Leave plans, to the denial of responsibilities from all kinds of politicians, to the infighting and implosion of political parties and individual political careers, to the Scotland and Gibraltar's own EU plans...

I feel like I'm in a position to :Popcorn and just watch everything unfold, but somehow, I know the fallout will ripple through the world and drag us down one way or another as well...


another Brexit coming...courtesy of Iceland this time.
:troll:

it's been pretty entertaining watching things unfold...the amount of clueless people who voted to leave is staggering.

[Traum]

another Brexit coming...courtesy of Iceland this time.
:troll:

Yeah yeah, rub it in... :okay:

From the stuff I've seen so far, Cameron seems to be the one of the smartest escapees from the fallout even though he is losing his job as a result of this. I can almost picture him smirking at the clueless Leave camp folks for the mess that is worsening by the minute.

[68style]

Man oh man... Since when did voting to leave the EU give license to violent racist attacks.

I can only imagine what will happen in the USA if Trump gets in, anyone of colour better run for safety somewhere else... not even joking.

This really sucks because I was planning to move to the UK on ancestral citizenship since things are so stupid expensive in Vancouver, but my wife is Chinese... way too risky now it seems like, no way I'll be able to convince her to go or would want to if this is what we'd have to deal with.

[adambomb]

My interest in the Brexit is minimal to slightly interested. Thank you The Guardian for the coles notes. :teach:

Here's where things stand at 1am GMT

The fourth day after Britain voted to exit the European Union has been a febrile one. Here’s where things stand:

-Shockwaves from the vote have been reverberating around the world economy. A trillion dollars were wiped off world stock markets on Monday, adding to $2tn in losses on Friday, making this the largest two-day stock rout of all time.

-The Sterling continued to lose value, dropping to just $1.32, its lowest point in more than 30 years.
Fitch became the third major ratings agency to downgrade the UK’s credit rating, following Standard & Poor’s earlier on Monday and Moody’s on Friday.

-Jeremy Corbyn has vowed to stay on despite mass resignations from his shadow cabinet and a tense meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party during which Labour MPs agreed to hold a no-confidence vote in Corbyn’s leadership.

-The Labour leader addressed a massed rally in Parliament Square after the meeting. He didn’t mention any leadership crisis.

-The Conservative party’s own leadership contest continued to bubble, with chancellor George Osborne formally ruling himself out.

-Nicola Sturgeon, the leader of the Scottish National Party, has reportedly begun exploring ways for Scotland - and Gibraltar, and possibly also Northern Ireland - to stay in the EU despite the vote.


Brexit: Labour MPs to hold no-confidence vote in Jeremy Corbyn - as it happened | Politics | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/27/brexit-live-george-osborne-economy-corbyn-shadow-cabinet)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Man oh man... Since when did voting to leave the EU give license to violent racist attacks.

England was the most racist place I have ever been, and I've been to a lot of places.

and this was back in 2006. they've always been racist.

London was ok. a lot less racist. a lot more minorities.

but those smaller cities... lol. every single night i was called a jap and to go home. or people would push me and try to start fights. shoulder check me and laugh. every single night. They all looked like soccer hooligan types. lol.

[blkgsr]

ya small town (minded) brits really are some of the worst

[68style]

I had the same problems there back in 2007 so almost the same time as you... but I was just there last summer 2015 and it was a great experience, no issues whatsoever and totally different attitudes everywhere we went. Seems it's risen to the surface again.

[Hondaracer]

That's why there's nothin like being a young white Caucasian of European descent. Might as well be rolling around with a crown on my head through most of the world

:troll:

[jasonturbo]

That's why there's nothin like being a young white Caucasian of European descent. Might as well be rolling around with a crown on my head through most of the world

:troll:

Sometimes I feel encumbered by white privilege, people expect so much out of me because I'm white. Like damn, I don't have time to study for med school, there are xbox online tournaments that need winning.

I'm also sick of all the racially jealous individuals of visible minority, don't get mad at me because you have dark skin, take your complaints up with whatever devil-god you believe in.

Fuck, writing that was exhausting. I need a latte.

[CivicBlues]

That's why there's nothin like being a young white Caucasian of European descent. Might as well be rolling around with a crown on my head through most of the world

:troll:

You also have a big $ sign and/or target on your head too ;).

Dark(ish) skinned Asian here, I'm pretty much racially ambiguous for 75% of the world. Fly under the radar and get about 1/2 as much hassle as the white guy next to me.

[cunninglinguist]

This is fascinating. The Brexiters thought Cameron would invoke article 50 of the EU treaty right away after the referendum and begin negotiating an exit from the EU.

NOPE

Cameron: “Why should I do all the hard shit for someone else, just to hand it over to them on a plate?’’

And hard shit indeed. Trying to untangle a generation of deals not to mention possible unraveling the United Kingdom. Scotland and Gibraltor said they're going to leave UK and remain in EU. Northern Ireland might join up with the Republic of Ireland and remain in EU. Billion in the markets have already been lost. Prices are expected to rise as their dollar has tanked. It's now ok to become racist.

Cameron's going to let the next guy who campaigned for Brexiting deal with this shitstorm coming.

Who will be the one to invoke article 50?

[Nlkko]

Just watch Nigel Farage's speech in front of EU to understand the ignorance that resulted in voting leave. The British hoi polloi in this case have been manipulated to make a poor choice.

Decades of trust building flushed right down the toilet in one night. Sad.

[4444]

Prices are expected to rise as their dollar has tanked.

"Their dollar"

what the fuck, man. Never heard of the Pound Sterling (GBP)?

[Hondaracer]

BHQC0vUAWh2

[adambomb]

Has anyone ever ordered a pizza with all your favorite toppings, then upon delivery, proceed to immediately throw the pizza in the garbage and watch your family starve? OpieOP


Former London mayor Boris Johnson abruptly pulled out of the race to become Britain's next prime minister on Thursday, in a shock move that upturned a political order shaken by last week's vote to leave the European Union.

Johnson, whose support for the campaign to leave the EU was widely considered one of the decisive factors in the campaign, had been bookmakers' runaway favourite to succeed David Cameron, who quit last week after failing to persuade British voters to stay in the bloc.


Boris Johnson, former London mayor, rules out bid to be next British PM - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brexit-boris-johnson-1.3659425)

[IMASA]

One by one, these ass hats that lead Brexit are dropping out. They know they fucked the country and they're going to let the next guy clean up their mess.

Nigel Farage, UKIP leader and top Leave campaigner, stepping down after Brexit victory - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brexit-farage-resigns-1.3663185)


The leader of Britain's anti-European Union U.K. Independence Party (UKIP) Nigel Farage said on Monday he would stand down after having realized his ambition of winning last month's referendum in favour of Brexit.

"I have never been, and I have never wanted to be, a career politician. My aim in being in politics was to get Britain out of the European Union," he said.

"So I feel it's right that I should now stand aside as leader of UKIP."

"During the referendum campaign, I said 'I want my country back.' What I'm saying today, is, 'I want my life back,' and it begins right now."

It is not the first time Farage has quit as leader of the party. He stood down in May 2015 after failing to win a parliamentary seat in last year's general election, only to withdraw his resignation three days later.

He said he would continue to support the party, and continue to watch Brussels "like a hawk" during the negotiations around Britain's exit from the EU.

He reiterated his view that Britain's new prime minister needed to be from the Leave campaign but declined to back a specific candidate out of Andrea Leadsom, Michael Gove or Liam Fox. Current front-runner Theresa May backed Remain.

Farage, 52, has been a member of UKIP since its 1993 birth and was first elected to the European Parliament in 1999.

[GLOW]

this kind of reminds me of Bill Vander Zalm with HST
"my work here is done :troll:"

[whitev70r]

So ... what's going to happen with this?

Theresa May wants a 3rd vote on her Brexit plan. If she pushes for a third time vote (on more or less the same Brexit plan), why is she so insistent that they don't redo the original referendum?

[320icar]

I have no idea what the fuck is going on. I usually text my friend in Wales just to make fun of it. The EU has stated on multiple occasions that if England wanted to just forget it all and come back, they can with no penalties. But stubborn as shit UK is saying no. Foolish

[Raid3n]

pride won't let them go back on it..
but if they don't, they're going to have war again in NI.

[Traum]

pride won't let them go back on it..
but if they don't, they're going to have war again in NI.
At this point, I don't actually believe that the general UK public are still dead set against having another round of referendum again. After trying fruitlessly for 2 - 3 years on hammering out a soft Brexit deal, it is pretty obvious that a hard Brexit is going to severely cripple Britain's economy, and a soft Brexit just isn't possible. So if neither of those are viable options, isn't it natural to just remain with the EU?

Recall that the "Leave" side in the original Brexit vote only won by less than 4% of the votes -- even back then, the public is very much divided on the issue. With all the fiasco in hammering out a deal, and the super gloomy outlook should hard Brexit hits, I think it should be fairly easy to sway at least 4% of the voters to switch back into the "Stay" camp.

[320icar]

^^ from my friend who lives there, she says it was sheer ignorance on a lot of people part that got it to pass in the first place. Kind of like a drunken night out, so many have realized “hmm... what the fuck did I do last night”. If you retook the vote it would probably be 80/20 stay

[Traum]

Further to the comments above, I have no idea wtf legislators from both sides of parliament doing in the UK. You can't get a (soft Brexit) deal done. You voted (in Parliament!) to say that a hard Brexit is unacceptable. And the EU have told you repeatedly that:

a) they won't delay Brexit anymore
b) you're welcomed to stay as part of EU if you call it off yourself

So why dafuq are those idiots not calling for a new referendum to choose between one and only one of the 3 plans?

1) soft Brexit as May has negotiated
2) no deal hard Brexit
3) stay in EU

As I see it, those are the only 3 alternatives, and there really is no other way. By sliding the responsibility back to the public, the scumbag politicians will get to avoid the bulk of the blame.

But so far, the MPs are choosing not to call for an 11th hour referendum... FailFish

[whitev70r]

Anti-Brexit marchers flood London as May faces calls to resign from own party

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/brexit-march-london-1.5069069

[ae101]

i dont get for its taking so long to leave the EU, the amount of privileges that they give u just arent as good as the crap that u have to take and this is person opinion

i remember greece a few years back, the whole country was going bankrupt and they needed other wealthy EU nations to bail them out (i remember none of them were doing well, just some are better then others)

[Mr.HappySilp]

i dont get for its taking so long to leave the EU, the amount of privileges that they give u just arent as good as the crap that u have to take and this is person opinion

i remember greece a few years back, the whole country was going bankrupt and they needed other wealthy EU nations to bail them out (i remember none of them were doing well, just some are better then others)

Greece was a different matter. The EU wants Greece to have a better budget plan that will actually pay off its debt instead of spending it all. Greece just wasn't ready to do that (I mean they been handing out free money to its citizen and not collecting all the income tax they should be). Is a tough choice coz Greece will never be able to pay off its debt even with the tighten budget but if they don't do it EU will not lend them a penny.

[Infiniti]

i dont get for its taking so long to leave the EU, the amount of privileges that they give u just arent as good as the crap that u have to take and this is person opinion

I bolded the part that matters for it essentially reflects the vast majority of Pro-Brexit voters and their complete lack of knowledge as to the benefits their country derives from being a member of the EU.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Almost three quarters (73%) of 18 to 24-year-olds said they had voted to stay in the EU, compared with 62% of 25 to 34s and 52% of 35 to 44s. Support for Brexit formed a majority among every other age category and grew with each, peaking at 60% among those aged 65 and over.
Those older generations once fought to liberate Europe and defend Britain and Democracy. Along with the generation following it, they lived under the constant nuclear threat and the spread of Communism throughout Europe. These same generations decided to combat those aforementioned threats and promote peace by creating the EU in the first place. If any group would know why they don't want to be a part of the EU, its them. No surprise that the youngest generations wish to ignore a democratic vote until they get what they want -it is just mere words to many of them.

[68style]

^ Uhhh.......... really dude? My mom is 72 and British and she still thinks standing in front of the microwave causes cancer and that every Russian person is a spy.

Being old doesn't mean you know what's better for the country going forward... it just makes you less reticent to change. Even my mom can understand being part of the European community for the work permit privileges alone is better than being isolated.

I've spent significant time in England in my life and old English people are almost unanimously identical in that they're the most lovely polite eloquent people on the planet always ready for a cup of tea and a chat as long as everything goes EXACTLY their way... but throw anything different into the mix ie: any sort of 'change' or try to take away any of their privileges or introduce anything foreign into their life and you will be shown to the curb in short order. There's a reason the British are often referred to as the rednecks / Americans of Europe, their older generation is absolutely full of xenophobes, they're just much more well-spoken and better educated than the ones you'll find in the Southern USA.

[ae101]

i remember greece was using stuff like bonds as a collateral to help bail out their country, also i remember 90% of EU nations were hit super hard during the economic crisis and germany was the very few that was actually up on their feets in no time (i believe)

iirc some of those nations that just up on their feet were force to help others in need but in fact that they couldnt even stand still yet

[CivicBlues]

i dont get for its taking so long to leave the EU, the amount of privileges that they give u just arent as good as the crap that u have to take and this is person opinion

i remember greece a few years back, the whole country was going bankrupt and they needed other wealthy EU nations to bail them out (i remember none of them were doing well, just some are better then others)


i remember greece was using stuff like bonds as a collateral to help bail out their country, also i remember 90% of EU nations were hit super hard during the economic crisis and germany was the very few that was actually up on their feets in no time (i believe)

iirc some of those nations that just up on their feet were force to help others in need but in fact that they couldnt even stand still yet

Sorry to derail this, but are you using google translate or something? I've read through both of your posts although you are using English words I can't figure out a thing you are saying.

[whitev70r]

So which particular demographic age group voted to leave EU? I recall, it's been a couple of years now, but one major reason was that some in UK didn't want to accept the high number of refugees that EU is asking of the countries in the union.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Article 13 just passed. Another reason to leave the wonderful EU.

[Traum]

Just saw this in the following BBC article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47693645
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1285C/production/_106186857_curtice_5b_referendum-nc.png

Seriously... WTF UK?

[Bouncing Bettys]

^All that poll tells me is that the largest group of those polled still believe in the democratic process and are willing to accept the results and live with the consequences. That is a good thing, although I would prefer that number be closer to 100%. If people are allowed to ignore vote results and hold referendum after referendum until they get the results they are happy with, then you don't have much of a democracy. What happens when they get their results? The opposing group will refuse to recognize the results and go with the original vote results or they will demand yet another referendum. It will go back and forth and nothing will get done.

[Traum]

I beg to differ. The previous Brexit referendum essentially only asked whether Britons wanted to remain or leave the EU, without indicating how or fully understanding what the implications are for UK to leave the EU. May's gov has been hacking away the best they can for the past 3 years, and they have been unable to work out a deal that is acceptble to the UK public.

The current 3 options are exactly as I have said in a previous post:

1) soft Brexit as May has negotiated
2) hard Brexit
3) stay in EU

UK can leave the EU on April 12 (hard Brexit), or they can approve May's soft Brexit and leave on May 22. Or the EU has previously indicated UK is welcomed to stay in the EU. By holding another referendum to choose between these 3 options, UK would be using a democratic process to decide whether they still want to go through with Brexit. A new referendum would also be an easy get-out-of-taking-blame card for the MPs, and thus ease the impasse that is currently happening in Parliament. Whichever option the referendum end up coming out as, they can say "Hey, the people wanted this!" and just go through with it.

The public opinion has changed regard Brexit since the original referendum. Back in 2016, it was 51.89% for Leave, and 48.11% for Remain. Current polls sugests it has shifted into 54% for Remain, and 46% for Leave.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14F6C/production/_106186858_curtice_3b_leave-nc.png

A pretty simple analogy is 2 people agreeing to get married. After they've done so, they've spent 3 years bickering and fighting to agree on how they can peacefully live together, and they can't come to an agreement. What you're saying now is -- you agreed to get married 3 yrs ago, so you are bounded by the holy matrimony to stay married now, even when you can't make it work.
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[Great68]

A pretty simple analogy is 2 people agreeing to get married. After they've done so, they've spent 3 years bickering and fighting to agree on how they can peacefully live together, and they can't come to an agreement. What you're saying now is -- you agreed to get married 3 yrs ago, so you are bounded by the holy matrimony to stay married now, even when you can't make it work.


I don't know, part of me thinks they should have thought of that before they got married...

I think that's the underlying problem here, they voted for Brexit like a couple of drunks meeting each other for the first time and getting married in Vegas.

Woo hoo!.... Wait a minute, what the fuck do we do now?

[whitev70r]

For the 3rd time ... NO.

MPs reject May's EU withdrawal agreement for the third time
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47752017

MPs reject Theresa May’s EU withdrawal agreement by 344 votes to 286, a majority of 58, throwing UK’s Brexit plans into more confusion.

[Mr.HappySilp]

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/theresa-may-resignation-announcement-0524-gbr-intl/index.html

Looks like Theresa May is going to resign wonder who is going to fix this mess now.

[Traum]

Long overdue. She should have resigned when her Brexit plan was rejected in parliament the 2nd time around.

At this point, I'd just say let things be. The Britons wanted this mess, and have continued to prove that they are incapable of making a rational decision. If there are dire consequences to be had, hopefully they will at least learn from it.

[Bouncing Bettys]

So they can't decided on a plan for leaving (hard/soft/or whatever) and unless another extension is given, they leave at the end of October without a plan in place?

[whitev70r]

I do see one of the points that Nigel fellow made ... imagine if being part of NAFTA (which is a trade agreement) Mexico and/or the US started imposing immigration regulations. Uh no ....

[Manic!]

Theresa May Quits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcRm0j4KqAM

[Nlkko]

Nigel Farage should be the PM. The dude who fucked them and then go "see ya".

[jasonturbo]

The majority of UK residents want out of the EU, this is confirmed by the Brexit referendum and by recent polling showing the Brexit party overtaking the Tories.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1129075/Brexit-news-latest-Nigel-Farage-Brexit-party-poll-Tory-Theresa-May-general-election

[Manic!]

The majority of UK residents want out of the EU, this is confirmed by the Brexit referendum and by recent polling showing the Brexit party overtaking the Tories.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1129075/Brexit-news-latest-Nigel-Farage-Brexit-party-poll-Tory-Theresa-May-general-election

The express is a pro Brexit paper. It's garbage we sell it in our store. No one buys it.

[jasonturbo]

The express is a pro Brexit paper. It's garbage we sell it in our store. No one buys it.

I can see that you are a wise businessman.

I'll offer you The Independent as a source then, an organization that was openly "remain" during the referendum.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-polls-eu-election-farage-labour-conservatives-latest-a8874361.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/the-right-choice-is-to-remain-a7090326.html

[Manic!]

I can see that you are a wise businessman.

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it's a guaranteed sale and is distributed by the same company that distributes the Globe and Mail.

[punkwax]

No one buys it.

it's a guaranteed sale

:considered:

[Manic!]

:considered:

https://thelawdictionary.org/guaranteed-sale/

When a manufacturer takes goods back unsold after a time. Refer to consignment sale.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/guaranteed-sale.html

[welfare]

*defend democracy :ahwow:

The irony is just too much

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/08/31/crowds-gather-in-uk-cities-to-protest-johnsons-brexit-plans/amp/

LONDON — Crowds are gathering in London and other major British cities to protest Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s suspension of Parliament for part of the period before the Brexit deadline in two months.

Protesters gathered near 10 Downing Street in central London and in Belfast, York and others cities to show determination to block a “no deal” Brexit.

The crowds were galvanized by Johnson’s decision to shutter Parliament for several weeks when a debate about Brexit plans had been expected.


In London, they chanted: “Boris Johnson, shame on you.”

His plan is also being opposed by some in Parliament who plan to introduce legislation this week to try to prevent a disorderly departure from the European Union.

Johnson’s shutdown of Parliament is also being challenged in three separate court cases.