[Timpo]

As we know Canada Post might be going on strike anytime soon.

What would happen and how long will it be? Will it be like several months like BC Teachers strike?

Apparently all the businesses(including online stores) and governments are preparing for it. :okay:

[murd0c]

CRA just had a strike vote last week as well

[threezero]

CRA just had a strike vote last week as well

So no one is processing tax and doing audit?

[flagella]

Can I go strike too?

[quasi]

So no one is processing tax and doing audit?

I laughed when I read that as well, stay out as long as you want CRA nobody will give a fuck other then the Government not getting it's tax revenue.

[busdriverman]

As we know Canada Post might be going on strike anytime soon.

What would happen and how long will it be? Will it be like several months like BC Teachers strike?

Apparently all the businesses(including online stores) and governments are preparing for it. :okay:

I work as a letter carrier for Canada Post and I hear that the corporation will probably lock us out before we strike.

Not sure how long it will last and nobody will able to answer that question for you.

[Timpo]

So no one is processing tax and doing audit?

It may be off topic, but CRA has so many employees. I wonder why.

IRS has approx. 89,500 employees and CRA has approx. 45,000 employees.

Population of Canada: 35 million
Population of USA: 319 million

If you look at the ratio:

1 CRA employee / 777 people
1 IRS employee / 3564 people

That's approx 4.6 times more employees, which is quite a difference.
I don't know how tax agencies work, but CRA must be doing something inefficient or have too many employees?

In theory, CRA should be able to operate with 9,782 employees, not 45,000.

[Timpo]

I work as a letter carrier for Canada Post and I hear that the corporation will probably lock us out before we strike.

Not sure how long it will last and nobody will able to answer that question for you.

Lock employees out? How is that possible? I think they have a union contract?

[inv4zn]

It may be off topic, but CRA has so many employees. I wonder why.

IRS has approx. 89,500 employees and CRA has approx. 45,000 employees.

Population of Canada: 35 million
Population of USA: 319 million

If you look at the ratio:

1 CRA employee / 777 people
1 IRS employee / 3564 people

That's approx 4.6 times more employees, which is quite a difference.
I don't know how tax agencies work, but CRA must be doing something inefficient or have too many employees?

In theory, CRA should be able to operate with 9,782 employees, not 45,000.

Watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn_Zln_4pA8

[Nlkko]

Never heard crazy stories about CRA but IRS is scary as fuck. Perhaps just way too many cases of tax evasion in the States.

[Timpo]

Never heard crazy stories about CRA but IRS is scary as fuck. Perhaps just way too many cases of tax evasion in the States.

That's what people say... when I read news about CRA cracking down small business owners tax miscalculations and all that stuff, people comment how scary CRA can be because they collect tax/interest/penulties very aggressively.

But then people comment stuff like "You think CRA is scary? Try dealing with IRS. They make CRA look like Girl Guides."

[bobbinka]

That's approx 4.6 times more employees, which is quite a difference.
I don't know how tax agencies work, but CRA must be doing something inefficient or have too many employees?

In theory, CRA should be able to operate with 9,782 employees, not 45,000.

How you are able to draw the conclusion that the IRS is efficient (and therefore the CRA is inefficient), simply based on the # of employees to population ratio is concerning.

What about how much tax is collected? What about how much tax is uncollected that you don't know about because there isn't enough enforcement? What if the IRS is collecting "4.6x times" less than it is able to do?

Efficiency/inefficiency is much more than just the # of employees you pull from wikipedia.

[Timpo]

How you are able to draw the conclusion that the IRS is efficient (and therefore the CRA is inefficient), simply based on the # of employees to population ratio is concerning.

What about how much tax is collected? What about how much tax is uncollected that you don't know about because there isn't enough enforcement? What if the IRS is collecting "4.6x times" less than it is able to do?

Efficiency/inefficiency is much more than just the # of employees you pull from wikipedia.

yeah I get your point, but to be fair, what you're saying is "what if" statement too.

What if IRS was collecting more taxes than CRA?

I don't know for the fact, so this argument is invalid too, but yea, I get your point as well.

[FerrariEnzo]

Title was misleading.. came in here thinking they really did go strike already but just google and its July 02

[Timpo]

Last chance to send mail to ensure delivery: Canada Post
Josh Elliott, CTVNews.ca
Published Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:14AM EDT

When do I need to send mail to beat a Canada Post service disruption? | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/last-chance-to-send-mail-to-ensure-delivery-canada-post-1.2966330)

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.931792.1377628167!/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpeg
Canada Post vehicles sit outside a sorting depot in the Ville St-Laurent borough of Montreal, in this June 6, 2011 photo. (Graham Hughes / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Whether you need to pay your phone bill, return an online purchase or send a card to your grandmother, Wednesday is the last day to mail your items and ensure they are delivered on time in the event of a service disruption, Canada Post says.

With no deal in place between Canada Post and the union representing its employees, and a July 2 deadline just around the corner, mail delivery in Canada appears on the verge of grinding to a halt. Canada Post says June 29 is the last possible day to mail an item without it becoming trapped in possible lockout limbo, although you may have to pay for a premium delivery option to get that package to its destination on time.

If you're concerned about a speedy delivery, Canada Post says it's already too late to send an expedited parcel through the mail to a destination in your general region, or to send an Xpresspost letter nationally or regionally. However, you can still send a parcel anywhere in the country, if you can get it to the post office by the end of the day and send it as a priority package. Wednesday is also the last possible day to send an expedited parcel or Xpresspost letter to a local destination, without it getting stuck along the way.

Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers have been without a contract since 2015, and the two sides remain far apart with a negotiation deadline looming on July 2. The union said on Tuesday that it has asked Canada Post for a two-week extension on the "cooling-off period that would otherwise entail a termination of their contract on July 2."

Canada Post says it's already advised businesses to make contingency plans in the event of a work stoppage. Spokesperson Jon Hamilton says Canada Post is also open to the possibility of using volunteers to deliver social assistance cheques, although they "are not at that point just yet."

[Timpo]

What you need to know about the potential Canada Post strike
Important information for managing the potential Canada Post strike on July 2
CBC News Posted: Jun 29, 2016 5:10 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 29, 2016 5:19 PM ET

What you need to know about the potential Canada Post strike - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/canada-post-strike-what-you-need-to-know-1.3658163)

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2040852.1381646603!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/li-620-post-cp802434.jpg
Postal workers duing a 24 hour strike in Calgary, Alta. on June 8, 2011. The Canadian Union of Postal Workers is in the position to strike again as of July 2, 2016. (Jeff McIntosh/Canadian Press)

As of July 2, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers will be in a position to strike, which will stop all mail delivery and services through Canada Post.

Updates are being posted on the Canada Post and CUPW websites, but there are a few key points to know in the case of a strike.

It's not the first time

This is potentially the fifth widespread disruption to mail delivery in just over three decades in Canada.

The last labour disruption, in 2011, lasted three weeks. Postal workers were ordered back when the Federal government tabled back-to-work legislation. Prior strikes have been held in 1987, 1991 and 1997.

The Liberal government under Prime Minister Trudeau has confirmed that the government would not table back-to-work legislation in the case of a strike.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2460666.1386808617!/fileImage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/original_300/hi-canada-post-strike.png
This may be the fifth Canada Post strike in just over three decades.

But you do still have time

Wednesday June 29 is the last day to ensure delivery by June 30 for local expedited parcels, Xpress post and Priority Shipping.

Mail service is cancelled this Friday July 1 for the Canada Day holiday.

Essential services will continue

The only service in the event of a strike will be the delivery of pension and social assistance cheques, which the CUPW has guaranteed in agreements with Canada Post.

The union has also ensured the safety of any live animals caught up in the mailing system at the time of a strike.

For those receiving cheques during the strike, there is a maximum of two days of delivery each month, to be determined by the union.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.3656496.1467137870!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_300/canada-post-delivery-trucks.jpg
Mail delivery could stop as early as July 2nd if Canada Posts forces a lockout or the unions strike. (CBC News)

A strike is not an excuse

All utility ills and payments are due on schedule, and late payments will not be accepted as a result of the strike. All individuals are recommended to use online payment systems and E-Billing to mitigate any late charges or fees.

Hydro provider Horizon Utilities has a guide to self-serve billing for all Hamilton and St. Catharines customers on their website.

National corporations including Bell and Rogers have already been notifying customers to use online services to pay their bills, the due dates of which will not be affected by a potential strike.

Customers are reminded of online banking sites to manage payments, and the Canadian Revenue Agency's website is available for government dealings throughout the strike period.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.1961402.1387335391!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_300/canada-post-ceo-deepak-chopra.jpg
President and CEO of Canada Post Deepak Chopra has officially rejected a request to extend the July 2 deadline for negotiations, according to the CUPW. (Pawel Dwulit/Canadian Press)

It's not looking good

Ninety per cent of union members voted in favour of a strike, and Canada Post CEO Deepak Chopra officially rejected a letter requesting a two-week extension for the July 2 lockout.

The work stoppage would affect approximately 50,000 workers across Canada, including mail delivery personnel.

For more information and updates visit Canada Post's website and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.

[Gululu]

I guess delivering mail two times a week is too much for these folks to handle.

[XplicitLuder]

lol we already got hit with ppl preparing for this. Those who use CP as their main delivery is going to have to use FedEx/UPS/Purolator. Worked 11.5hrs today :drunk:

[RRxtar]

about 15% of my 2016 revenue is somewhere between a submitted invoice, and a cheque coming in the mail. all my payments come via cheque in the mail. i've got 8 employees who will always get their pay cheques on time, and mountains of monthly bills and operating costs, who gets hurt here?



fuck unions

[tiger_handheld]

I work as a letter carrier for Canada Post and I hear that the corporation will probably lock us out before we strike.

Not sure how long it will last and nobody will able to answer that question for you.

what are you guys requesting? how much of a wage / benefits increase ... and what's your general reasoning for the request?

[Adorkami]

I don't think they were asking for any increases, the gov't is looking to take away some of the benefits. There is probably more to it though.

[MG1]

Oh boy, here we go again............. union bashing and "How come they get this?" and "How come I don't get that." My butt is hurt 'cause I work my ass off and don't get half the benefits they do, and it's my tax dollars, so it IS my business, yada, yada, yada......... it is what it is.

Get over it.

We all have friends and relatives who are nurses, teachers, bus drivers, postal workers, cops, firefighters, longshorman, etc. And, everybody wants what they think is fair. Sometimes it is about shit getting taken away. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, sit back, and watch the gong show that usually results from these types of threads.

Carry on carrying on................ god bless.

[Rallydrv]

President and CEO of Canada Post Deepak Chopra


maybe this deepak chopra can talk them out of a strike

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Deepak_Chopra_%282011%29.jpg

[westopher]

A friend of mine is a mail carrier. If my front splitters don't arrive because of this I am going to hold him accountable.

[MG1]

If it is a long strike, private mail courier forwarding companies will pop out of the woodwork. Being a stamp collector, I have a few of these private label stamps from previous postal strikes. They were used to forward mail to the US. One local, well, sort of local, company called the BECEMS printed and used "Juan de Fuca Despatch" stamps to forward mail to Port Angeles, Wa. from Victoria, BC. during the 1965, 1975 and 1992 postal strike years. A valid US postage stamp was used along with the surcharge (for lack of a better word) stamp/label.

I think I'll do that and send mail to el bastardo. Might turn out to be a worthy collectable, LOL.

BTW, these postal label/stamps come under the category of "Cinderella" Stamps. Stamps used, but not issued by the originating government postal administration. Usually must be accompanied with a valid postage stamp.


As a side note, this company issued beautiful labels for Expo 86. I need to get a hold of a set.

[meme405]

^I always imagined you as the type of person to collect stamps...

I use loomis or purolator for all business purposes, and for most of my personal use. I can only imagine the companies who will switch to private carriers because of this strike, and never return to using Canada post.

Good luck to the canada post employees, their pretty much already working for a dead company, hope this doesn't become the last nail in the coffin.

[MG1]

Been collecting since about 8 years old. Canadian stamps is my focus.

I do own some beauties............ like most people who scour the city for garage sales, I scour the world for stamp auctions in hopes of a good find.

I don't think Canada Post will ever go under, but they are making some really stupid decisions.

[Nlkko]

Lots of business (retailer, eCommerce) use CP because they deliver to buttfuck nowhere that other carriers don't bother. Rates are not bad either for small parcel and intercity.

I wouldn't say dead business.

[Gululu]

Lots of business (retailer, eCommerce) use CP because they deliver to buttfuck nowhere that other carriers don't bother. Rates are not bad either for small parcel and intercity.

I wouldn't say dead business.

This is not true. I'm a seller on amazon for 2 years now. Having shipped so much items to northern territories, it is always either ups or fedex. Canada post simply cannot deliver there, they cater to urban or semi-rural destinations.

[smoothie.]

This is not true. I'm a seller on amazon for 2 years now. Having shipped so much items to northern territories, it is always either ups or fedex. Canada post simply cannot deliver there, they cater to urban or semi-rural destinations.

you work?

that's not right. get more money from China.

[GLOW]

ship from china

[josayeee]

I would argue that our tax system is just so damn complex. I would argue more so than the Americans. The main reason being that the Canadian government uses the CRA to distribute social benefits. There is something like 40 federal tax credits. There is a tax credit in BC to teachers who participate in after school programs worth almost nothing. In a lot of other countries, you only have to file a tax return if you own your own business. /end rant

Back on topic, I hope these guys go back to work. You never get paid what your worth. You get paid what you can leverage. If Canada post axed these guys, would it be that difficult to find replacements?

It may be off topic, but CRA has so many employees. I wonder why.

IRS has approx. 89,500 employees and CRA has approx. 45,000 employees.

Population of Canada: 35 million
Population of USA: 319 million

If you look at the ratio:

1 CRA employee / 777 people
1 IRS employee / 3564 people

That's approx 4.6 times more employees, which is quite a difference.
I don't know how tax agencies work, but CRA must be doing something inefficient or have too many employees?

In theory, CRA should be able to operate with 9,782 employees, not 45,000.

[Timpo]

I would argue that our tax system is just so damn complex. I would argue more so than the Americans. The main reason being that the Canadian government uses the CRA to distribute social benefits. There is something like 40 federal tax credits. There is a tax credit in BC to teachers who participate in after school programs worth almost nothing. In a lot of other countries, you only have to file a tax return if you own your own business. /end rant

Back on topic, I hope these guys go back to work. You never get paid what your worth. You get paid what you can leverage. If Canada post axed these guys, would it be that difficult to find replacements?

I don't think Canada Post is allowed to axe those guys.
It's under the union contract, I'm pretty sure.

Unless Canada Post decided to breach the contract and decides to bring this to court and fight against their workers, I don't think it will happen.

[Adorkami]

This is not true. I'm a seller on amazon for 2 years now. Having shipped so much items to northern territories, it is always either ups or fedex. Canada post simply cannot deliver there, they cater to urban or semi-rural destinations.

Just because you use a courier it doesn't mean they are the ones to deliver it to the final destination. They deliver a lot of stuff to small towns that other couriers don't as it wouldn't make economic sense for them to do so. Worked there during christmas before and you see lots of boxes with tags from other large couriers.

I think one thing that the union is trying to make possible is having Canada Post set up as a bank for rural locations. Sounds odd to me but i've never lived in a place that small.

[Gululu]

Just because you use a courier it doesn't mean they are the ones to deliver it to the final destination. They deliver a lot of stuff to small towns that other couriers don't as it wouldn't make economic sense for them to do so. Worked there during christmas before and you see lots of boxes with tags from other large couriers.

canada post hands it off to fedex. happens all the time. i know this.

[Nlkko]

This is not true. I'm a seller on amazon for 2 years now. Having shipped so much items to northern territories, it is always either ups or fedex. Canada post simply cannot deliver there, they cater to urban or semi-rural destinations.

CP delivers everywhere... Purolator doesn't deliver to rural address or PO Box, packages are always held at depot and customer have to pick it up. Puro has arguably the best flat rate which is why they are being used a lot to the dismay of customer

But what do I know I ran projects for one of the largest ecommerce retailers in Canada for years.

[tiger_handheld]

I would argue that our tax system is just so damn complex. I would argue more so than the Americans. The main reason being that the Canadian government uses the CRA to distribute social benefits. There is something like 40 federal tax credits. There is a tax credit in BC to teachers who participate in after school programs worth almost nothing. In a lot of other countries, you only have to file a tax return if you own your own business. /end rant



2016 tax year teachers and ECE's get an additional automatic tax credit for school supplies while students lost out on the the textbook credit .... The power of labour unions!

[Timpo]

Canada Post workers propose new deal, won't strike before Wednesday: union
No. 1 sticking point in negotiations involves changes to employee pension plans
The Canadian Press Posted: Jul 02, 2016 12:11 PM ET Last Updated: Jul 02, 2016 12:31 PM ET

Canada Post workers propose new deal, won't strike before Wednesday: union - Business - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-no-strike-before-wednesday-1.3662233)

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As of Saturday, Canada Post workers are now in a legal strike position. But the union representing the employees says it has presented a new offer and workers won't be striking before Wednesday. ((Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press))

The union representing postal workers says it has presented Canada Post with new offers, and workers won't be striking before Wednesday.

Provided that the Canadian Union of Postal Workers gives 72 hours notice, 50,000 of its members are legally allowed to strike starting Saturday, and Canada Post is also allowed to lock out its workers.

But CUPW representatives say the union hasn't presented its notice.

The union and Canada Post both say the number one sticking point in negotiations involves changes to employee pension plans.

Canada Post tabled new contract proposals a week ago, and on Friday, the union came forward with a counter-offer.

The union is proposing wage hikes, and rejecting Canada Post's suggestion that new employees get a pension plan that operates like an RRSP, called defined contribution, instead of the defined benefit plan for current employees that guarantees a set level of retirement benefits.

The last time Canada Post experienced a work stoppage was in 2011, which included 10 days of rotating strikes and a lockout before employees were legislated back to work by Ottawa.

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The last time Canada Post experienced a work stoppage was in 2011, which included 10 days of rotating strikes and a lockout. (CBC)

[Timpo]

Canada Post issues 72-hour lockout notice, work stoppage possible Friday
'They're locking the doors and will try to starve us into submission,' union president Mike Palecek says
By Pete Evans, CBC News Posted: Jul 05, 2016 3:06 AM ET Last Updated: Jul 05, 2016 2:55 PM ET

Canada Post issues 72-hour lockout notice, work stoppage possible Friday - Business - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-lockout-notice-1.3664710)

http://i.cbc.ca/1.3664760.1467714386!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/canada-post-strike-20160630.jpg
Canada Post has issued a lockout notice to the union that represents postal workers. (Andrew Vaughan/Canadian Press)

Canada Post said it intends to lock out its workers starting on Friday after months of negotiations have failed to make a labour deal between the postal carrier and its largest union.

The move comes hours after Canada Post said its latest offer presented on June 25 was fair and reasonable, and that it still hoped to negotiate a deal with the union.

The Crown corporation blamed prolonged negotiations, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers' strike mandate and the financial cost of a rapid decline in mail volume.

"Nearly all of our largest e-commerce customers have already moved most or all of their parcel volumes to other carriers, resulting in a volume decline of at least 75 per cent from these customers," the carrier said in a statement Tuesday.

But the 72-hour notice does not necessarily mean the mail will stop being delivered as of Friday.

Rather, Canada Post says, the lockout notice allows the carrier to "take measures that are necessary to respond to the changing business reality."

Both sides say they are hopeful a deal can be reached before then.

In its response, CUPW said the corporation is using the lockout notice to drive 50,000 workers "out onto the streets without pay in an effort to impose steep concessions on them."

"They refused to negotiate fairly with us and now they're locking the doors and will try to starve us into submission," said CUPW president Mike Palecek. "Canada Post has been out in the media for weeks saying there's going to be an interruption and now they're complaining there's no mail or parcels in the system," he told the CBC's Metro Morning radio show.

"Jeez, I wonder why?"

A key sticking point in negotiations involves changes to employee pension plans. Essentially, the mail service wants to switch new hires to a defined contribution plan, where payouts are not guaranteed. That's different from the defined benefit plan that current members get, which guarantees a fixed benefit regardless of investment returns, similar to CPP.

Canada Post's pension plan posted an annual surplus of $1.2 billion last year, but has a solvency deficit of almost $6 billion, the fund's annual report shows.

The Crown corporation said Monday that CUPW's demands are "not affordable" and would add $1 billion in costs over the life of a new contract. The union disputes that figure and says adding new members paying into the pension and services for customers will more than pay for themselves.

The union accuses the corporation of creating uncertainty by warning the public to avoid the post office. "We believe they are creating a crisis," Palecek said. "The position of the pension plan is improving."

'Essential' items will be delivered

The union also says it wants to close the gap between what its urban carriers are paid, and its rural ones. Mail carriers in rural and suburban regions are typically female, and make as much as 28 per cent less for doing the same job, the union says.

Canada Post has said that in the event of a full work disruption, it will not operate — mail and parcels will not be delivered, and no new items will be accepted.

But Ottawa has deemed Old Age Security, Canada Pension Plan, Working Income Tax Benefit and the Canada Child Benefit cheques "essential" — even during a labour disruption.

Spokesman Jon Hamilton said Canada Post has a memorandum of agreement with the union "where the federal socio-economic cheques will be delivered."

"In the event of a work disruption we would arrange ... delivery one day of the month," he said Monday.

The last time there was a work stoppage at Canada Post was in 2011, an impasse that ended when Ottawa legislated an end to the dispute with controversial back-to-work legislation.

The current Liberal government said Tuesday it has no plans to intervene at this time.

"I encourage both parties to continue their discussions, and I remain hopeful that an agreement can be reached by the parties," Employment Minister Mary Ann Mihychuk said in a statement. "Federal mediators are assisting the parties in their negotiations," and added that Ottawa "has contingency plans in place" should any mail service interruption happen.

[Mancini]

Never heard crazy stories about CRA but IRS is scary as fuck. Perhaps just way too many cases of tax evasion in the States.

I heard that families of victims of Sep 11/01 asked for a filing extension. IRS said yes. CRA said no.

[MG1]

One can only hope that the notice of lockout will light a fire under the asses of the parties involved - step up the negotiations a notch or two.

[roopi]

canada post hands it off to fedex. happens all the time. i know this.

Fedex hands off to Canada Post. Since you are a pro shipper go over to your Fedex Ship Manager and tell me how much it costs to ship a package to Yellowknife. Then quote the same package by Canada Post.

You've been screwing your customers if you are using Fedex/UPS to remote destinations.

[Traum]

Obviously Gululu doesn't fxxking know shxt. It is a well known fact that all the private commercial couriers only run their own thing on the easy and profitable lines. For routes like that, their services range from being on par with to significantly better than Canada Post / USPS.

But for the remote routes, it is quite common for the private couriers to hand that final mile delivery back to Canada Post / USPS. Both Canada Post and USPS have a mandate to provide mail service to all locations in the country, and as the public mail service provider, they regularly lose $$$ on these remote location deliveries.

Of course, Gululu thinks China Post beats them all.

[Presto]

Canada Post open to union request for 30-day extension to avoid lockout (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cupw-extension-request-canada-post-1.3670028)

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers today called for a 30-day truce to allow the two sides to negotiate a new contract without a strike or lockout, a request Canada Post management says it can go along with only if the union agrees to binding arbitration.

The postal service has given notice it will lock out unionized employees starting Monday if there's no deal.

But the union says a cooling off period would keep the mail moving under the old contract while "intensive negotiations" continue.

Later on Friday, the Crown corporation said it would be fine with the 30-day proposal, but only if "both parties must agree to binding arbitration" if no deal is reached during that time.

The union has been reluctant to go for arbitration in the past because any deal that emerges can be appealed, and then tied up in court proceedings for years.

The union says it rejects arbitration as a "matter of principle." CBC News has contacted the union for a response to the company's agreement to negotiate for 30 days then arbitrate, but thus far the union has not returned our request for comment.

The two sides remain far apart on several major issues after seven months of negotiations. In addition to pay, working hours and other issues, the two sides are mainly divided about the future of the company pension plan.

The union said in its Friday release it would willing to drop its unfair labour practices complaint if Canada Post agrees to the 30-day extension.

Canada Post had initially said it would lock out the 50,000 unionized employees today, but later extended the deadline to Monday at 12:01 a.m. ET.

CUPW said it filed a formal complaint Wednesday alleging that Canada Post has refused to negotiate fairly but says it would withdraw that if the company agrees to the 30-day extension.

[MG1]

^That's what I want to see in this thread. Uptodate info, without everyone going all Gululu or Lady Gagaga...........

[Hehe]

Basically CP called the bluff. Now union is left with little choices. What a bunch of monkies.

Oh well, I'm just glad my passport would be here in time then. :fuckthatshit:

[RRxtar]

why do all the CP union workers keep saying in interviews "we don't want to strike. CP is forcing us into a lock out. i cant afford time off i need to work!" when they voted like 95% in favor of striking? each member individually voted to strike.

[Presto]

BAH

Canada Post work stoppage likely as 30-day ‘cooling-off’ truce falls apart (http://globalnews.ca/news/2811759/canada-post-work-stoppage-union-requests-30-day-cooling-off-period/)

A Canada Post work stoppage again looks likely.

A tentative agreement between Canada Post and the union representing 50,000 Canadian postal workers fell apart late Friday. The union had proposed to implement a 30-day “cooling-off” period accompanied by intense negotiations in an effort to avoid a lock-out or strike action.

Canada Post agreed, but only on condition that the two parties go to binding arbitration after – a counter-proposal the union rejected.

The two parties have been hurtling toward a work stoppage for the past several weeks, with both sides seemingly refusing to budge on key contract issues. Canada Post has been poised to lock out its workers as early as Monday.

On Friday morning, however, it seemed progress was being made as the Canadian Union of Postal Workers issued a statement asking for a reprieve.

“Our members, their families and all Canadians do not deserve to have this threat of a lockout ‘looming’ over our heads from a profitable public service,” said Mike Palecek, national president of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers, in the release.


“Postal workers want to work and people need to know that it’s safe to use the mail system.”

The union said it was prepared to engage in “intensive negotiations” with Canada Post during the cooling-off period, and would drop a labour practices complaint against the Crown corporation that it launched two days ago as a sign of “good faith.”

Just after noon, Canada Post agreed.

“We are fully prepared to negotiate intensively for the next 30 days under an extended ‘cooling off period’ to reach negotiated settlements,” the corporation said in a statement. “However, if the parties are unable to successfully conclude negotiations within that period, both parties must agree to binding arbitration.”

Late Friday afternoon, the union rejected that condition.

Canada Post had agreed earlier in the week to an offer from the labour minister for binding arbitration to help settle the outstanding contract issues, but the union refused to allow an arbitrator to step in.

As recently as Thursday, the two sides appeared to be far apart on several major issues after seven months of negotiations. Some postal workers have been without a contract since late 2015, while others have been without one since January 2016.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said his government would not be intervening in the dispute with back-to-work legislation, should there be a lockout or strike.

[Traum]

Makes me wonder why the union is refusing the binding arbitration -- generally, binding arbitration arrangements are as good as things could get. The moment the workers go on strike, everybody loses.

[Hehe]

Fuck me. Bye bye passport! See you in another week

[Slifer]

^I know right. Funny thing is, it costs more money to pick up your passport in person? Makes no sense at all. If anything, it should be cheaper since they save on postage.

[Hehe]

No shit. If anything, personal pickup is more secure as you could verify the identity of the person picking up.

When CP delivers passport for kids and wife, never once have they asked for id or anything.

[EvoLove]

Fk my life now ill never get my credit card..... ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[lilaznviper]

i won't have my credit card either. got a package today... going tomorrow to get the package before they lock out on monday

[yray]

Just lock them out if they are unwilling to calm down

[Gnomes]

From the looks if it, a strong reason to reject binding arbitration is because the union knows their own demands will not be given by the arbitrator - asking too much for that new hire pension plan?

[Timpo]

I wonder who is going to win...management or union?

Canada Post has been losing profit constantly for mail delivery.
But parcel revenues are increasing due to e-commerce.

https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/blogs/announcements/details.page?article=2015/11/20/canada_post_segment_&cattype=announcements&cat=newsreleases

[Armind]

I too am waiting for my damn credit card.

[Gh0stRider]

Canada Post drops threat to lock out workers | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-post-drops-threat-to-lock-out-workers-1.2980971)

https://www.canadapost.ca/web/en/blogs/announcements/details.page?article=2016/07/10/postal_service_will_&cattype=announcements&cat=newsreleases

Posted on July 10, 2016 by Canada Post in News Releases
OTTAWA – Earlier today, the Minister of Employment, Workforce Development and Labour, MaryAnn Mihychuk, encouraged both Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers to continue their discussions beyond the lockout notice.

Accordingly the Corporation has withdrawn its 72-hour notice. As a result, there will not be a lockout, which will allow both parties to focus their efforts on serious negotiations.

We are also expecting the union to honour their repeated public statements that they have no plans to issue a strike notice. Assurance from both parties that the postal system will remain open for business while we negotiate will provide the certainty that Canadians and our employees are looking for.

Canada Post is committed to negotiating agreements that are fair to our employees while providing affordable pricing and service to Canadians.

[MG1]

Good, maybe my Esso car wash gift card will arrive after all. Won't need it until winter, lol. Groupon, plus eBates 6% off deal, ftw!

[lowda9]

Yess! My parts from rockauto wont be stuck.

[Timpo]

Canada Post is right: Defined-benefit pension plans are unaffordable for any employer
Howard Levitt | July 13, 2016 1:41 PM ET

Canada Post is right: Defined-benefit pension plans are unaffordable for any employer | Financial Post (http://business.financialpost.com/executive/careers/canada-post-is-right-defined-benefit-pension-plans-are-unaffordable-for-any-employer)

http://wpmedia.business.financialpost.com/2016/07/0713postoffice.jpg
A postal worker delivers mail as an ongoing labour dispute between the Canadian Union of Postal Workers and Canada Post continue.

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers labour dispute with Canada Post — its 21st time in the past 50 years since the union was formed — reminds of the adage “You should be careful what you ask for.” Times have changed.

There was a time when a postal strike would have knocked Canada to its knees. Now, in an era of emails, fax machines, and couriers, fewer people use Canada Post. Canadians, by and large, will give a collective yawn to a postal strike. The union’s position in this dispute belies its lack of bargaining power.

Postal workers are compensated based on that historical bargaining power. They are dramatically overpaid relative to their qualifications and skill, on average letter carriers in urban areas make $50,000 a year, rural carriers, about $39,000. But by my estimation the job, which pays several times the minimum wage, can be performed by anyone regardless of education, experience, or training. In a genuinely free market, these workers would make much less.

But salaries are the least of it. Like most public sector employees, they also enjoy defined-benefit pension plans, which no longer exist in the private sector. The relatively few private sector employees fortunate enough to enjoy any pensions have defined-contribution plans. With a defined-benefit plan, a set pension amount is guaranteed for life, regardless of how the plan performs, whereas defined-contribution plans pay out according to the value of the monies in the plan.

Keeping it’s defined benefit pensions, CUPW said at the start of the labour dispute, was its key issue. When it began receiving blow-back from taxpayers, it quickly revised its talking point to “pay equity.” Now, what they are arguing is that because rural postal carriers are predominantly female, and urban letter carriers male, Canada Post is purportedly breaching pay equity legislation.

Yet, the existing wage disparity for letter carriers in urban vs. rural areas was negotiated by the union based on living costs in each. This is a red herring meant to develop public sympathy for a union that deserves none.

To be clear, the major issue here is Canada Post’s demand that new employees receive defined-contribution plans while existing workers retain their unaffordable defined-benefit pensions. To put this in perspective, the shortfall for Canada Post’s defined-benefit pension plan as of the first quarter of 2016 is $6.1 billion, up from about $3.4 billion two years ago. With interest rates likely to remain low, the shortfall will continue to grow exponentially. That deficit is picked up by Canadian taxpayers, in addition to $3 of pension contributions for every dollar paid by postal workers.

As Bill Tufts, author of Pension Ponzi, notes, the city of St. John’s, NL, last year, facing potential insolvency, converted new employees into a defined contribution plan, the same route Canada Post suggests. I have long noted it makes little sense for Canadian taxpayers to be paying its employees i.e. public servants, including employees of Crown Corporations, more in wages or benefits than they themselves earn for jobs with the same qualification, workload and skill levels.

It’s time Canada Post use its substantial bargaining power to at least freeze wages and convert the defined-benefit plan to a defined-contribution plan for all employees. It has an historic opportunity to begin equalizing its employees wages and benefits to comparative private sector jobs such as couriers and those handing out flyers door to door.

Canada Post is well situated to use this opportunity with a union without bargaining power to redress the historic overcompensation of its members.

Canada Post’s capitulation has been foretold by its request for arbitration which, in an act of folly, the union rejected. It is of note that arbitrators, who would determine the dispute, without a strike or lock-out, have historically favoured unions.

(The over-inflated wages and benefits in the public sectors have almost uniformly been imposed by arbitrators, not through a strike or lock-out.)

Canada Post has the largest number of employees among federal Crown corporations. Its pension shortfall is proportionally the largest. It is well situated to use this opportunity with a union without bargaining power to redress the historic overcompensation of its members. If it succeeds and members quit as a result (which they won’t), they are easily replaceable. If postal workers opt to strike, it would be seamlessly simple to replace them for the duration of a strike, with employees delighted to have a job at lower wages than the incumbents.

Canadians should not permit Canada Post management to relinquish this opportunity. Our public financing depends upon rolling back federal service defined-benefit plans. Given CUPW’s weak bargaining power we may not obtain another such opportunity. Canada Post should not be permitted to foil it by punting the dispute to an arbitrator.

[jeedee]

Had a Canadapost worker deliver a package last Thursday

Funny thing was he was wearing the uniform but was driving his own personal car (not the CP truck or CP van) Looked sketchy as hell lol

Usually they deliver to my area at 10:30am but that day it was 2:30pm. Weird.

[Traum]

Canada Post is right: Defined-benefit pension plans are unaffordable for any employer
Howard Levitt | July 13, 2016 1:41 PM ET

Canada Post is right: Defined-benefit pension plans are unaffordable for any employer | Financial Post (http://business.financialpost.com/executive/careers/canada-post-is-right-defined-benefit-pension-plans-are-unaffordable-for-any-employer)

The columnist here seems mis-guided, even though he had nearly identified the problem himself -- it isn't the defined benefit pension plan that is unaffordable. Rather, it is:

1) the high salary relative to the required skill level that creates a high payroll in the first place, and

2) the high salary resulting in high payouts for these defined pension plans

Had the salary been properly matched to the required skill level, a defined pension plan would not be unaffordable. So the problem isn't the pension -- it's the pay.

In a properly managed scenario, the same job between a public and private sector should differ with:

a) the private sector position pays a higher salary
b) the private sector position could potentially require longer working hours
c) the private sector position offers no defined pension plans
d) the public sector position pays a lower salary
e) the public sector position offers a better work-life balance
f) the public sector position offers a defined pension plan

In the end, the benefits of the public vs private sector jobs should balance themselves out. People just choose one or the other depending on the preferences and risk tolerances. You want a higher paying job? Go work in private sector and plan your retirement finances out yourself. You want a better work-life balance? or don't want to deal with retirement planning? Go for a public sector job.

If you go work in a public sector job, don't fxxking complain that it pays lower than a similar private sector position. By the same reasoning, if you work in a private sector job, don't fxxking complain that it forces you to work long hours and doesn't come with a pension.

[bobbinka]

In the end, the benefits of the public vs private sector jobs should balance themselves out. People just choose one or the other depending on the preferences and risk tolerances. You want a higher paying job? Go work in private sector and plan your retirement finances out yourself. You want a better work-life balance? or don't want to deal with retirement planning? Go for a public sector job.

If you go work in a public sector job, don't fxxking complain that it pays lower than a similar private sector position. By the same reasoning, if you work in a private sector job, don't fxxking complain that it forces you to work long hours and doesn't come with a pension.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1Z02vuppxP1Pa/giphy.gif

[Nlkko]

I've done a government contract tech job. Pay is pretty juice.:megusta:

The lower (not low) pay tends to fall to lower skill jobs.

Private just have the higher ceilling (execs director level) that's all.

[Coren]

Did you know UPS, FedEx, and Purolator employees get paid more than Canada post employees? So if you want to compare courier jobs, Canada Post employees deserve a raise. BUT those private companies also have it easier. They don't have to walk to every single house to deliver mail everyday. They only have to drop off parcels which saves their body wear and tear.

About the pension, did you know the shortfall only comes because they have to report it as 100% funded as of today? That means if Canada Post were to close up shop today, they would be short 6 billion dollars to pay out to all their employees. However, no other pension fund in the country is funded the same way.

And one more thing, NO TAXPAYER money has went to Canada Post in the last 20something years. It has been the other way around, the profits from Canada Post have been sent to the government as general revenue to pay for whatever it is they need.

[Traum]

Fxxk... and I thought we narrowly avoided this...

CUPW issues strike notice after it says Canada Post refused special mediator - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2016/08/25/cupw-issues-strike-notice-after-it-says-canada-post-refused-special-mediator/)

OTTAWA – The union representing a majority of workers at Canada Post has issued a 72-hour notice of job action as it tries to bargain a collective agreement with the Crown corporation.

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers says the notice spells out what actions it is planning, but stops short of a full-blown walkout.

CUPW national president Mike Palecek says Canada Post forced the labour disruption by refusing to accept a request from the federal labour minister to continue negotiations with the help of a special mediator.

But a spokesman for the agency says that’s not the case.

The union’s strike mandate was set to expire at midnight.

The two sides have been in negotiations for more than nine months but are far apart on key issues including pay equity for rural carriers and proposed changes to the Canada Post pension plan.

[MG1]

Expect slowing down in service, said one news report. Um, how much slower can service be? :lawl:

[XplicitLuder]

Expect slowing down in service, said one news report. Um, how much slower can service be? :lawl:

trust me, it can get worse lol businesses who switched to us a month ago while it wasn't sure if CP was striking or not, complained a TON cus of how bad it was getting

[bobbinka]

Expect slowing down in service, said one news report. Um, how much slower can service be? :lawl:

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a3334c8ba8d247da7dc231a62578074d50987a7d32a61dbe63 87e010bf7e7cb9.jpg

[underscore]

Has anyone else recently gotten a new community mailbox? Ignoring the pros and the cons of the thing, does anyone else thing installing new boxes in the middle of this seems a bit odd? I know they must've been ordered ages ago but still.

[Timpo]

Fxxk... and I thought we narrowly avoided this...

CUPW issues strike notice after it says Canada Post refused special mediator - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2016/08/25/cupw-issues-strike-notice-after-it-says-canada-post-refused-special-mediator/)

ok so are they officially going on strike ?

[Gucci Mane]

fuck, now i may not get my passport next week. great.

[Timpo]

oh shit! the strike will officially begin Sunday, August 28, 11:59pm ET :fulloffuck:

Canada Post, CUPW agree to mediation after union files strike notice - Business - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-union-cupw-strike-mandate-1.3735203)
Canada Post: Union representing workers issues 72-hour strike notice | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2904137/canada-post-union-representing-workers-issues-72-hour-strike-notice/)
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/union-representing-canada-post-issues-72-hour-strike-notice-1.3043877

[m3thods]

fuck, now i may not get my passport next week. great.

Same same :'(

[MG1]

It doesn't matter what we say, it's out of our control. It's an inconvenience for everybody, but what can we do?.

My pension is deposited automatically to my bank account, so for me, meh.

As a stamp collector, meh. It may actually be a good thing. Newly released stamps not getting out to public................ hmmmmm.

[Euro7r]

I've held off on buying anything online at the moment...

[EvoFire]

I've held off on buying anything online at the moment...

Or buy everything from the states and ship to PR/Blaine/Sumas. And get some cheap gas to offset the pickup cost.

[Euro7r]

Or buy everything from the states and ship to PR/Blaine/Sumas. And get some cheap gas to offset the pickup cost.

Trying to buy an item on eBay and I have to pay for shipping regardless for this particular item. Rather ship to my house than to Blaine/PR since I'm already paying shipping. Damn Canada Post :fuuuuu:

[Tr1ll]

Why did I not come in here first..I just shipped something with Canada Post :rukidding:

[twitchyzero]

hmm I have a high-priced merchandise I need to send back ....already got the prepaid return label
send it off so it's at least in the system or just wait until they go back to work?

edit: Timpo with misleading bolded texts...only 72h notice to legally strike...walk-out is not written in the stones yet

damnit where's that fail button :okay:

[pastarocket]

eBay is urging business owners to write letters to the PM to persuade the feds to put forth back to work legislation for Canada Post if the labour dispute is not resolved soon. :considered:

E-commerce giant urges businesses to write PM over Canada Post dispute - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2016/08/29/e-commerce-giant-urges-businesses-to-write-pm-over-canada-post-dispute/)

The problem is that Parliament doesn't resume until three weeks later. LUL


OTTAWA (NEWS 1130) – E-commerce giant eBay urged Canadian businesses on Monday to write to the prime minister and demand a legislated end to the labour dispute at Canada Post as a threatened work disruption was once again put on hold.

Launch of the letter-writing campaign came as contract negotiations between the Crown agency and its biggest union stretched into overtime.

While government officials expressed optimism that a 24-hour extension of the talks would break a months-long impasse over pensions and wages, small and medium-sized businesses have heard it before, said eBay Canada managing director Andrea Stairs.

“Negotiations are ongoing, but we don’t see a solution coming down the pipe,” Stairs said in a telephone interview. “So we really felt it was time for the prime minister to get involved.”

The letter, emailed to eBay sellers and addressed to Justin Trudeau’s Langevin Block office in Ottawa, encourages the prime minister to “explore legislative solutions to the current situation” at Canada Post and warns that businesses are being harmed by uncertainty about whether parcels will be delivered.

“EBay sellers, like other small and medium businesses across Canada, have been dealing with this uncertainty for months,” the letter states. “We have been forced to adapt our businesses and make other shipping arrangements for our goods.”

Canada Post has been bargaining with its employees for over nine months, but both sides were far apart as of late last week on key issues including pension changes for new employees and pay scales for rural postal workers.

Talks continued over the weekend with the aid of a special mediator and threatened job action by the union’s 51,000 members was halted under a 24-hour extension aimed at reaching a last-minute agreement before midnight Monday night.

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers had announced on the weekend it would begin job action on Monday by having its members refuse to work overtime on a rotating basis, starting in Alberta and the Northwest Territories.

But the plan was halted when both sides agreed to a request for more time from the mediator, who was brought into the dispute Friday.

Labour Minister MaryAnn Mihychuk welcomed the extension of the talks as “an encouraging sign of ongoing progress and a renewed determination to negotiate a new collective agreement.”

In a release issued by her office early Monday, the minister said she would remain focused on supporting the ongoing negotiations and would continue to monitor the situation closely.

CUPW national president Mike Palecek previously said that the union’s planned job action would have little effect on Canada Post customers, noting mail would still be delivered.

Jon Hamilton with Canada Post disagreed with that assessment, warning in a phone interview that the threat of job action was creating uncertainty for customers and would have a huge impact on the business “whether the union likes it or not.”

The federal government hasn’t raised the possibility of legislation to end the contract dispute. During the summer, the prime minister all but ruled out back-to-work legislation to end a threatened lockout of its workers by Canada Post and has repeatedly expressed confidence that a negotiated settlement could be reached.

OTTAWA (NEWS 1130) – E-commerce giant eBay urged Canadian businesses on Monday to write to the prime minister and demand a legislated end to the labour dispute at Canada Post as a threatened work disruption was once again put on hold.

Launch of the letter-writing campaign came as contract negotiations between the Crown agency and its biggest union stretched into overtime.

While government officials expressed optimism that a 24-hour extension of the talks would break a months-long impasse over pensions and wages, small and medium-sized businesses have heard it before, said eBay Canada managing director Andrea Stairs.

“Negotiations are ongoing, but we don’t see a solution coming down the pipe,” Stairs said in a telephone interview. “So we really felt it was time for the prime minister to get involved.”

The letter, emailed to eBay sellers and addressed to Justin Trudeau’s Langevin Block office in Ottawa, encourages the prime minister to “explore legislative solutions to the current situation” at Canada Post and warns that businesses are being harmed by uncertainty about whether parcels will be delivered.

“EBay sellers, like other small and medium businesses across Canada, have been dealing with this uncertainty for months,” the letter states. “We have been forced to adapt our businesses and make other shipping arrangements for our goods.”

Canada Post has been bargaining with its employees for over nine months, but both sides were far apart as of late last week on key issues including pension changes for new employees and pay scales for rural postal workers.

Talks continued over the weekend with the aid of a special mediator and threatened job action by the union’s 51,000 members was halted under a 24-hour extension aimed at reaching a last-minute agreement before midnight Monday night.

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers had announced on the weekend it would begin job action on Monday by having its members refuse to work overtime on a rotating basis, starting in Alberta and the Northwest Territories.

But the plan was halted when both sides agreed to a request for more time from the mediator, who was brought into the dispute Friday.

Labour Minister MaryAnn Mihychuk welcomed the extension of the talks as “an encouraging sign of ongoing progress and a renewed determination to negotiate a new collective agreement.”

In a release issued by her office early Monday, the minister said she would remain focused on supporting the ongoing negotiations and would continue to monitor the situation closely.

CUPW national president Mike Palecek previously said that the union’s planned job action would have little effect on Canada Post customers, noting mail would still be delivered.

Jon Hamilton with Canada Post disagreed with that assessment, warning in a phone interview that the threat of job action was creating uncertainty for customers and would have a huge impact on the business “whether the union likes it or not.”

The federal government hasn’t raised the possibility of legislation to end the contract dispute. During the summer, the prime minister all but ruled out back-to-work legislation to end a threatened lockout of its workers by Canada Post and has repeatedly expressed confidence that a negotiated settlement could be reached.

Parliament doesn’t resume sitting for another three weeks

[Timpo]

What can Justin Trudeau exactly do though?

Does he have an authority over Canada Post exectives/management and/or the Postal Workers Union?

[Coren]

He can do what Harper did and legislate Canada Post back to work saying its an essential service. The courts already said that was illegal so he will probably not do it.

The union does not want to strike, it does not have the money to pay the members if it drags out too long.

[Dragon-88]

I just want my headlight and rectifier coming in the mail...

[Timpo]

What's the difference between Canada Post and Purolator/FedEx/UPS?

Are we freaking out Canada Post is going on strike because it's the cheapest shipping option out there?

I know that eBay buyers love Canada Post because there's no brokerage fee. (aka BS fee)

What happens when the seller ships using USPS? Is it going to be handed over to Canada Post?

And I believe all the government issued postage will be handled by Canada Post? Because I don't think Purolator/FedEx/UPS handle government mails.

[Timpo]

ok so it's Monday and they're not on Strike yet...were they bluffing or what? :fulloffuck:

Canada Post?s ongoing labour dispute leaves Canadians frustrated - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2909683/canada-posts-ongoing-labour-dispute-leaves-canadians-frustrated/)

[Ronin]

Just kill Canada Post already. Useless. I don't know why people that have no leverage go on strike.

We swapped to Purolator and haven't noticed the difference.

[Ax2-Y]

Just kill Canada Post already. Useless. I don't know why people that have no leverage go on strike.

We swapped to Purolator and haven't noticed the difference.

:seriously: Purolator is owned by Canada Post... maybe that's why you haven't noticed a difference in service.

You want to get rid of the cheapest and most comprehensive delivery service available throughout our country just because they have almost, and still might not inconvenience you by going on strike. That totally makes sense.

For what it's worth to those who haven't had the opportunity to educate themselves on this important issue, Canada Post has posted profits during 20 of the last 22 years and costs the Canadian tax payer absolutely nothing to operate.

Perhaps some hate should be redirected towards the Harper appointed CEO - Deepak Chopra... Deepak Chopra, 2015?s Scumbag of the Year | rankandfile.ca (http://rankandfile.ca/2015/12/31/deepak-chopra-2015s-scumbag-of-the-year/)

[bobbinka]

Timpo, do you ever actually read any of the articles you copy and paste?

[MG1]

^no......... he wants us to translate it for him.

[underscore]

Just kill Canada Post already. Useless. I don't know why people that have no leverage go on strike.

Personally I believe there should always be one government owned postal company. It doesn't have to be the best one, but it should always be available. Especially since they're the only ones that don't try to completely screw everyone over with those b/s brokerage fees.

[Spectre_Cdn]

At least with Canada Post, I don't need to drive to a warehouse on Sea Island to pick up a parcel if I missed the delivery.

[Reeyal]

Brokerage fees from Purolator, UPS, FedEx, and DHL are complete bull.
$60 brokerage fee for a $10 tax on a $200 product is highway robbery.

I use Canada Post over other couriers all the time.

[Ronin]

:seriously: Purolator is owned by Canada Post... maybe that's why you haven't noticed a difference in service.

You want to get rid of the cheapest and most comprehensive delivery service available throughout our country just because they have almost, and still might not inconvenience you by going on strike. That totally makes sense.

For what it's worth to those who haven't had the opportunity to educate themselves on this important issue, Canada Post has posted profits during 20 of the last 22 years and costs the Canadian tax payer absolutely nothing to operate.

Perhaps some hate should be redirected towards the Harper appointed CEO - Deepak Chopra... Deepak Chopra, 2015?s Scumbag of the Year | rankandfile.ca (http://rankandfile.ca/2015/12/31/deepak-chopra-2015s-scumbag-of-the-year/)

Sorry, the Canada Post strike made a lot of pain in the ass work for us swapping over, time that could've been used elsewhere. They made me spend a few days rewriting boring ass terms and conditions and shipping bullshit pages so fuck 'em.

[pastarocket]

This labour dispute is bad timing for me. I won a $60 movie gift card after entering an online contest.

The sponsor back in Ontario told me that I am supposed to receive the gift card this week.

-really hoping that gift card was sent to me through private courier. WutFace

[6o4__boi]

i might actually save some money cus i'm holding off buying anything online til this is resolved lol

[Traum]

Dumb question -- so what happens during the time when Canada Post is on strike? Say if I have mail / parcel from overseas being sent to me through the external country's regular mail system (so it is not a courier). Would the mail / parcel just get held up at Canada Post's receiving facilities? Or would they get sent back to the sender?

[Ronin]

i might actually save some money cus i'm holding off buying anything online til this is resolved lol

This will all be moot when Amazon drones blot out the sun...

[Reeyal]

Dumb question -- so what happens during the time when Canada Post is on strike? Say if I have mail / parcel from overseas being sent to me through the external country's regular mail system (so it is not a courier). Would the mail / parcel just get held up at Canada Post's receiving facilities? Or would they get sent back to the sender?

Yes, mails and parcels will be held up at Canada Post. During the last strike notice, they did say that they will store and forward once regular services resume.
If you order something from China, it will take significantly longer for you to receive if there is a strike.

[Traum]

If you order something from China, it will take significantly longer for you to receive if there is a strike.
Crap... now all the eBay cheap bits I ordered are gonna be held up even longer... FailFish

[Coren]

what is another couple months when it already takes 3-4 months to receive anything from china these days
btw, amazon uses every courier available (even their own) so a strike would not affect them

[6o4__boi]

Looks like they've reached a tentative deal

Canada Post reaches tentative deal with union, averting job action - Business - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-post-tentative-deal-union-1.3742098)

[underscore]

what is another couple months when it already takes 3-4 months to receive anything from china these days
btw, amazon uses every courier available (even their own) so a strike would not affect them

I've had stuff showing up in under 3 weeks lately. I'm not sure how, but it's a nice surprise.

[Reeyal]

I've had stuff showing up in under 3 weeks lately. I'm not sure how, but it's a nice surprise.

I've had things delivered within 3 weeks, after about 2 months, or missing completely...

Sometimes, the vendor will outright lie about sending out a replacement to buy time to lapse the leave feedback time frame on eBay. :rukidding: After that time frame, you can only hope they will refund your money.