[Harvey Specter]

FYI...



Starting today, Vancouver Police officers will be listening for noise violators in the city.

Traffic officers will be out with decibel meters, conducting increased enforcement on noisy exhaust from cars and motorcycles.

Vancouver Police spokesman Cst. Brian Montague says they don’t write a lot of tickets for these types of offences, but they want to raise awareness about the adverse impact that the exhaust noise can have on city dwellers, especially the residents of the downtown core.

“The noise levels can be pretty debilitating for some residents especially in summer time when people have their windows open,” said Montague.

He says noise levels from some motorcycles and cars could reach an upwards of 105 decibels in some areas while the legal requirement is 91 decibels, and they have been dealing with a number of concerns.

Unnecessary noise from a vehicle’s engine, tires, brakes or exhaust is a violation that currently carries a fine of $109 and three points. But Montague says they hope they can avoid issuing tickets, and are letting those drivers with noisy vehicles know they will be looking out for them.

“A lot of it is education,” said Montague. “Just getting people aware that these can have some serious consequences especially in the West End. The noise tends to echo and almost increase as it gets bounced between the buildings, so it’s a significant concern for many of our residents.”

Montague says they also have the ability to write a fix-it ticket to violators, which provides the vehicle owner with a time frame during which they can fix the deficiency in their vehicle and avoid the fine.

[!e.lo_]

I wonder how factory exhaust from sports/super cars will be dealt with.
For example, if a factory exhaust system for a Jaguar F-Type (and we know its a loud car) is acceptable by Transport Canada, then would it be given a pass? :concentrate:

[thumper]

meh. same thing every year...

[Harvey Specter]

I wonder how factory exhaust from sports/super cars will be dealt with.
For example, if a factory exhaust system for a Jaguar F-Type (and we know its a loud car) is acceptable by Transport Canada, then would it be given a pass? :concentrate:

So true.

Just the other day I spotted an Aventador and Aventador SV downtown and you could hear both from a few blocks away. Funny if they get pulled over and VPD tries to ticket them for having loud stock exhausts.

[!e.lo_]

So true.

Just the other day I spotted an Aventador and Aventador SV downtown and you could hear both from a few blocks away. Funny if they get pulled over and VPD tries to ticket them for having loud stock exhausts.

Exactly. I brought it up because my friend did get pulled over in an F-Type for a loud exhaust but the car was factory.

[Traum]

I'd rather the police target idiots drivers in Richmond instead of doing this.

[ZN6]

Can they start with those guys that rip their cruiser bikes around play grounds and residential neighborhoods? fucking christ, those guys hate hearing stuff. Must be soothing to hear that rather than their wives.

[Timpo]

I wonder how factory exhaust from sports/super cars will be dealt with.
For example, if a factory exhaust system for a Jaguar F-Type (and we know its a loud car) is acceptable by Transport Canada, then would it be given a pass? :concentrate:

The local government can issue their own regulation however they want.

For example, the BC Ministry of Transportation says 50km/h statutory speed limit, however, if municipal government wants to regulate it to 40km/h, they can.

If Transport Canada (federal government) approves 105 decibels, the municipal or provincial government can still make their own regulations.

For example, "No vehicle shall emit more than 91 decibels in residence area after 10pm" or they can tell you "Vehicles with less than 5 inch ground clearance shall not enter this road"

This goes for Chinese license. I saw this news article here on RS a while ago, ICBC(provincial government) says people are allowed to drive with Chinese license, however RCMP(federal government) says you can't.

yeah I know...politics.

[melloman]

"Unnecessary noise from a vehicle’s engine, tires, brakes or exhaust..."

Wat.

Tires too loud u get a ticket? :fulloffuck:

[MarkyMark]

"Unnecessary noise from a vehicle’s engine, tires, brakes or exhaust..."

Wat.

Tires too loud u get a ticket? :fulloffuck:

Well yeah, you know they make noise when you're doing a burnout.

[CorneringArtist]

Can they start with those guys that rip their cruiser bikes around play grounds and residential neighborhoods? fucking christ, those guys hate hearing stuff. Must be soothing to hear that rather than their wives.

Even weirder is that when cruiser bikes are loud, no one really bats an eye, but when it's a sportbike, people are frothing at the mouth for the rider's head.

[mr00jimbo]

I wonder how factory exhaust from sports/super cars will be dealt with.
For example, if a factory exhaust system for a Jaguar F-Type (and we know its a loud car) is acceptable by Transport Canada, then would it be given a pass? :concentrate:

Sadly I think what would happen is you'd get a ticket, then have to fight it on your own dime and prove that it came that way.

[MarkyMark]

Even weirder is that when cruiser bikes are loud, no one really bats an eye, but when it's a sportbike, people are frothing at the mouth for the rider's head.

Wherever I see someone complaining about a bike being loud its a Harley

[Jgresch]

"Unnecessary noise from a vehicle’s engine, tires, brakes or exhaust..."

Wat.

Tires too loud u get a ticket? :fulloffuck:

Do you even Byrne

[!e.lo_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwH85gFOVVQ

[vexor]

Why don't they start enforcing the "keep right except to pass" rule on the highway instead of this. I think more of us have more issues with that rather than too loud exhausts.

[white rocket]

I'd rather the police target idiots drivers in Richmond instead of doing this.

This! Seriously, who the fuck moves downtown, in the heart of it all, then complains about noise? Fackin' beat it!!

Most of the exotic cars running around with bone stock exhaust systems are louder than most Honda N1 exhausts anyway :shrug:

[vitaminG]

I'd rather the police target idiots drivers in Richmond instead of doing this.

ya get it together VPD, youre not doing enough about the problems in richmond

[ZN6]

Even weirder is that when cruiser bikes are loud, no one really bats an eye, but when it's a sportbike, people are frothing at the mouth for the rider's head.

Cruiser bike = hell's angel

Sport bike = sum yung punk

Some people too scurred to deal with them.

[Timpo]

VPD should be cracking down traffic violations that are actually dangerous.
Such as street racing, DUI, texting, etc.

Who cares about loud exhaust, lowered cars, or even "speeding" on Marine Drive.

[Manic!]

Cruiser bike = Fag

Sport bike = sum yum punk

Some people too scurred to deal with them.

Fixed it for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hQN4Amaeg

[J.C]

So is this measured at idle or at redline lol

[westopher]

"Unnecessary noise from a vehicle’s engine, tires, brakes or exhaust..."

Wat.

Tires too loud u get a ticket? :fulloffuck:
I'm fucked. Because Ferodo. Truthfully though, I hate really loud cars unless it makes sense they are loud. Loud 550 hp v10? Awesome. Loud 9000 rpm redline? Cool. Loud FR-S/civic/3 series/Jetta? Just don't.

[snails]

I'm fucked. Because Ferodo. Truthfully though, I hate really loud cars unless it makes sense they are loud. Loud 550 hp v10? Awesome. Loud 9000 rpm redline? Cool. Loud FR-S/civic/3 series/Jetta? Just don't.

loud cars better be fast cars..

[westopher]

I agree. Those vehicles I mentioned are exempt from my complaining if they are ACTUALLY fast.

[Timpo]

I agree. Those vehicles I mentioned are exempt from my complaining if they are ACTUALLY fast.

So in your theory, the GT-R should be the loudest car on the road. :accepted:

[AzNightmare]

Well how about this? Loud cars better drive fast then. Can't stand people who buy sports cars but drive it like a Prius.


On a serious note... a loud car can actually be a safety feature.

[Timpo]

Well how about this? Loud cars better drive fast then. Can't stand people who buy sports cars but drive it like a Prius.


On a serious note... a loud car can actually be a safety feature.

This is true.

The Toyota Prius has been considered one of the most dangerous cars on the road because it's too quiet.

[westopher]

So in your theory, the GT-R should be the loudest car on the road. :accepted:
Not really, because if it was loud it would end up making me look at it. In turn I'd likely vomit.:pokerface:

[dared3vil0]

My boss has gotten two tickets in the last year. Stock F Type R. Both times tickets have been dismissed after an inspection at the dealer on his dime proved it was stock.

[320icar]

On a serious note... a loud car can actually be a safety feature.

not really. a loud exhaust as a "safety feature" puts your safety in the hands of other motorists, hoping they can hear your presence. taking control of your own surroundings and being a defensive and aware driver trumps a loud exhaust every single time

[Timpo]

My boss has gotten two tickets in the last year. Stock F Type R. Both times tickets have been dismissed after an inspection at the dealer on his dime proved it was stock.

I hope your boss sent an invoice to the police department.

I'd be pissed if I had to pay for an inspection due to ignorance of police officers.

Same as people getting VI for bone stock Viper ACR and Porsche 911 GT3RS.

[Timpo]

Not really, because if it was loud it would end up making me look at it. In turn I'd likely vomit.:pokerface:

:suspicious: huh?

[AzNightmare]

not really. a loud exhaust as a "safety feature" puts your safety in the hands of other motorists, hoping they can hear your presence. taking control of your own surroundings and being a defensive and aware driver trumps a loud exhaust every single time

No, that's not the point I'm making. In certain scenarios, a loud exhaust alerting awareness can make the difference, ultimately make it a safety feature in that specific scenario. A car that can be heard is always going to be more safer than a car that can't be heard.

It's the opposite reason of why a Prius that's too quiet can be dangerous.

Of course in the perfect world, if everyone just had full awareness, we wouldn't even have accidents in the first place. While defensive driving is good, it's a big difference from the more common distracted or passive drivers that are majority of traffic.

[Great68]

My boss has gotten two tickets in the last year. Stock F Type R. Both times tickets have been dismissed after an inspection at the dealer on his dime proved it was stock.

Yeah, driving around in track mode with the exhaust opened right?
Of course that's illegal to use on the street.

[underscore]

No, that's not the point I'm making. In certain scenarios, a loud exhaust alerting awareness can make the difference, ultimately make it a safety feature in that specific scenario. A car that can be heard is always going to be more safer than a car that can't be heard.

Except you don't hear it until the car/bike is past you, at which point you should be able to see it. Even if that was true 99.999% of the time a loud car or bike is still just an obnoxious douchemobile.

[GLOW]

This is true.

The Toyota Prius has been considered one of the most dangerous cars on the road because it's too quiet.

or is it by design :ilied:
http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Prius_The-Office-668x397.jpg

[sdubfid]

If you bring a dyno slip over 500hp to court the ticket will be cancelled. Less than 100hp including most Harley's the fines will double.

[604STIG]

I don't have problems with them pulling over drivers/riders that are blatantly being loud and obnoxious. I do have a problem with them pulling over EVERY rider that goes past their roadside inspection spot to test every rider regardless of them appearing to be loud or not. If I know I have a loud exhaust but I make it a point to ride in higher gears in the city to keep the RPM's low and quiet then I shouldn't be getting pulled over and randomly tested. (I havent' been yet but I know this is a practice that they do) Pull me over for being loud not for being on a bike.

[Timpo]

VPD should be cracking down DUI/texting/distracted drivers...

Loud cars, or loud motorcycles actually save lives and it is a good feature.

Unless the vehicle is running straight pipe, who cares.

[knight604]

TIMPO IS RIGHT

[Timpo]

I don't have problems with them pulling over drivers/riders that are blatantly being loud and obnoxious. I do have a problem with them pulling over EVERY rider that goes past their roadside inspection spot to test every rider regardless of them appearing to be loud or not. If I know I have a loud exhaust but I make it a point to ride in higher gears in the city to keep the RPM's low and quiet then I shouldn't be getting pulled over and randomly tested. (I havent' been yet but I know this is a practice that they do) Pull me over for being loud not for being on a bike.

Apparently Ducati Paniagel R (or was it Superleggera?) has one of the loudest exhaust on the market. People say "nobody is going to believe this is a stock exhaust"

[kross9]

if they do enforce this 'law' id be fine with the fine but the three points against the license is like wtf...

as for F-types they do have the active Exhaust button to quite it down or make it loud as hell.

If I remember correctly to actually do a proper dB testing for exhaust for auto inspections is "at 14ft in a silent room by a qualified inspector" and not at roadside with mobile equipment. I wonder how that is going to work then as well? If anyone who is a qualified inspector or say spidey or zulu chime in?

[thumper]

when i got pulled over in my old mustang with roush mufflers, the rcmp officer used a handheld dB meter standing behind me and he told me to rev up to half of redline. i think i scored around 110dB... :cry:

[kross9]

when i got pulled over in my old mustang with roush mufflers, the rcmp officer used a handheld dB meter standing behind me and he told me to rev up to half of redline. i think i scored around 110dB... :cry:

The thing with that is well you put a dB meter and inch or two away from the exhaust tip you can make a prius sound like a mustang....

[Dragon-88]

Honda Grom with Akrapovic Header + Exhaust = 113db @ WOT

9HP FTW!!!

[meme405]

New thread needed: "VPD DB RATING - HOW LOUD CAN YOU GO"

[GLOW]

replace your loud exhaust with woo WOOOOOOOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n79jSzKA0L8

[vexor]

VPD will fine loud motorcycles breaking excessive noise bylaw | Watch News Videos Online (http://globalnews.ca/video/2803381/vpd-will-fine-loud-motorcycles-breaking-excessive-noise-bylaw)

This is what bugs me about this. The "objective observation by officers" can also be used to give you a ticket instead of using a decibel meter. Well what if the officer is having a bad day and just handing out tickets left right and center? and your car/bike is below the legal limit? You now have to waste time to dispute the ticket.

[AzNightmare]

Except you don't hear it until the car/bike is past you, at which point you should be able to see it. Even if that was true 99.999% of the time a loud car or bike is still just an obnoxious douchemobile.

OK. I don't know about you, but my hearing picks up noises in a 360° radius.

[underscore]

OK. I don't know about you, but my hearing picks up noises in a 360° radius.

Right, but when the noise is coming out the back of the vehicle, who do you think is gonna hear it the loudest? The car in front, or the car behind?

[Marco911]

I'll just flip the switch on my Porsche sports exhaust to silent mode if I get tested.

[westopher]

Your 996 has that?

[AzNightmare]

Right, but when the noise is coming out the back of the vehicle, who do you think is gonna hear it the loudest? The car in front, or the car behind?

Why does that matter? The only point I'm trying to make is you can hear it. Which I also specifically said why a quiet Prius is actually rather dangerous to the common passive driver who isn't paying attention. It's not just drivers, but even pedestrians too. If you can hear something, you'll be more aware of it.

You've continually missed my point, but I cannot further explain something so simple in any more detail than it already is.

[AzNightmare]

not really. a loud exhaust as a "safety feature" puts your safety in the hands of other motorists, hoping they can hear your presence. taking control of your own surroundings and being a defensive and aware driver trumps a loud exhaust every single time

Your logic doesn't make any sense. Your safety is always partially in the hands of other motorists. One example, you're slowing down and hoping the driver behind you is aware and doesn't rear end you. You can't take control of that. Like I said earlier, in the perfect world, of course defensive driving and awareness trumps all. But the world isn't perfect.

[lowda9]

I was driving a prius downtown at night behind a bicyclist. Right when I was about to pass him he swerved left into the lane and I slammed my brakes and skid like 5 ft almost hitting the curb. He didn't even notice that whole incident and just continued riding his bicycle, never looking back. I agree the prius is way too quiet.

[underscore]

Why does that matter? The only point I'm trying to make is you can hear it. Which I also specifically said why a quiet Prius is actually rather dangerous to the common passive driver who isn't paying attention. It's not just drivers, but even pedestrians too. If you can hear something, you'll be more aware of it.

Simply making a bunch of noise like a twat won't get someone noticed, if people aren't paying attention to what's around them that includes sounds (look at all the idiots who don't react at all when honked at). The kind of people perceptive enough to notice that the loud noise is coming from their blind spot are the ones already checking it, so there's not going to be any benefit to loud exhausts besides letting everyone behind them in traffic know that Cunty McCuntington is ahead of them on the road.

[capt_slo]

Your logic doesn't make any sense. Your safety is always partially in the hands of other motorists. One example, you're slowing down and hoping the driver behind you is aware and doesn't rear end you. You can't take control of that. Like I said earlier, in the perfect world, of course defensive driving and awareness trumps all. But the world isn't perfect.

A loud bike raises the awareness of the other motorists.

[GabAlmighty]

I brapped around town today on my 2 stroke. It was fun.

[Marco911]

Your 996 has that?

Yes, the Porsche Sports Exhaust has been available since the 996 generation.

[SlowEK]

Was watching old episode of Weeds, gangster started using a Prius for his whole crew. It's so quite good for drive by shooting lol

I was driving a prius downtown at night behind a bicyclist. Right when I was about to pass him he swerved left into the lane and I slammed my brakes and skid like 5 ft almost hitting the curb. He didn't even notice that whole incident and just continued riding his bicycle, never looking back. I agree the prius is way too quiet.

[ThatKoukiKid]

Why am i hearing the exhaust noise ticket comes with 3points.. Ive heard 3 people today getting exhaust tickets. One without a db being used. How are points justified for exhaust tickets

[68style]

This ticket is so easy to contest, there's no way a decibel reading test stands up in court if it's not conducted in an isolated environment with no ambient noise in the background... these fools are just out to sell some papers and satisfy a few politicians that they're enforcing whatever is popular for votes at any given time. This is also assuming that the officer using the decibel meter has gone to training for using one (unlikely).

[twitchyzero]

how much training do you need on a meter?
are there no meters that can block out most ambient noise?

say the new high-perf vehicles like the F-Type doesn't have quiet mode or whatever it's called, are stock exhausts actually very loud if the rpm are at sane levels that allows you to still accelerate decently quick in the city/highway? or are they loud because clutch dump and floored to 8k

[68style]

How much training does someone need to hand over a breathalyzer and ask someone to blow in the tube? It's not just the device itself, it's the laws surrounding it and various scenarios that can occur. There's still a course for it and many DUI's are dropped due to no training for the officer administering the test or an officer trained to administer it took too long to get there with a unit.

And hell yes if I was pulled over on Granville and 16th (one of their favorite spots) and someone is just holding a decibel reader near my exhaust and buses and cars and horns and people are all waking by I'd be contesting that test sample as tainted and inaccurate.

Ambient city noise is anywhere between 55-65 decibels in a decent sized city, more if the city is heavily air-conditioned. That's a lot of pollution into your roadside test... It's like letting a super drunk person lightly breathe into the same tube you're blowing into during a breathalyzer. Especially when this is being used against you for punitive reasons and criminally given the points on a license, people should definitely insist on it being conducted professionally in an isolated environment with zero margin for error.

[320icar]

Just FYI, driving on the sidewalk is an $81 fine and 2 points.

... A loud exhaust is $109 and 3 points. Hell its zero points to drive without insurance

[underscore]

The fine is $598 + an instant tow and impound for no insurance though. When I made that mistake (I didn't do it intentionally) it ended up costing me somewhere near $900 since the towing company ripped me off.

edit: that's for no insurance

[threezero]

The fine is $598 + an instant tow and impound for no insurance though. When I made that mistake (I didn't do it intentionally) it ended up costing me somewhere near $900 since the towing company ripped me off.

For loud exhaust???

[68style]

^he was talking about no insurance

[meme405]

I'm with all of you, loud exhaust shouldn't carry any points. It makes no sense, its not a case of bad driving, or dangerous behavior. Having an exceptionally loud exhaust and revving it around just makes you an asshole. (Don't get me wrong I have an aftermarket muffler, I'm more thinking of guys in cars with no exhausts at all, or like straight pipes on their hondas.)

For being an asshole like that the government can freely pick pocket you, and if you still don't care about it, then they can just VI you and force you to fix the issue.

There is no reason why someone should receive points on their license for something related to their car. This isn't like texting and driving which we are trying to curb by issuing points, there are other means officers have at their disposal to correct the issue of an obnoxious exhaust.

[underscore]

I'm with all of you, loud exhaust shouldn't carry any points. It makes no sense, its not a case of bad driving, or dangerous behavior.

Someone could argue that it could cause hearing damage to someone, especially a small child.

[meme405]

Someone could argue that it could cause hearing damage to someone, especially a small child.

Yes, perhaps if you duct tape your baby to the back of a motorcycle or fart can equipped Honda, it could cause hearing problems. Smh.

Literally the only complaint I have ever heard, is that it is annoying. "especially in the summer when people have their house windows open all the time".

Like I said police have avenues aside from monetary penalties to force someone to fix their car. This should be the avenue taken to ensure the people fix their car. Not arbitrarily handing out points onto someones license.

[underscore]

Yes, perhaps if you duct tape your baby to the back of a motorcycle or fart can equipped Honda, it could cause hearing problems. Smh.

Literally the only complaint I have ever heard, is that it is annoying. "especially in the summer when people have their house windows open all the time".

Like I said police have avenues aside from monetary penalties to force someone to fix their car. This should be the avenue taken to ensure the people fix their car. Not arbitrarily handing out points onto someones license.

Kids are more susceptible to hearing damage, and it's not exactly difficult for some bikes to get into hearing damage ranges when they pin it to pass you, for example.

You're right about the fines though, I'm not entirely sure why they're doing that as opposed to issuing VI's. A VI is more hassle for the driver but does actually force them to fix it.

[thumper]

Literally the only complaint I have ever heard, is that it is annoying. "especially in the summer when people have their house windows open all the time".


sadly not for me it's not a seasonal issue. i live on the side of a hill and a old riced out mitsubishi eclipse with an n1 exhaust that would always floor it every day going up to wherever he lives, and when it rains i we get the added bonus of him spinning one single front wheel all the way up to the top. this is the only time i wish and pray for a crankwalk event to happen to someone...

[604STIG]

I'm certain from here on out ICBC will make sure points are attached to any infraction. They've realized that they now have a secondary source of income, the Driver Penalty Point Premium, you can bet your ass that they have a full interest in seeing points attached to every single infraction out there. Wether it be a dangerous driving action or some sort of simple thing. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if at some point they started giving a point with every parking ticked issued either.