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Turkey Military Uprising
EvoFire
07-15-2016, 12:37 PM
Happening right now.
Turkey coup: military attempt to seize power from Erdogan as low flying jets and gunfire heard in Ankara and bridges across Bosphorus in Istanbul closed (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/)
Tanks are rolling into the city, bridges out of city are closed, helicopters and jets low flying over the city. Reportedly not an exercise and the Turkish PM has already condemned the branch of military attempting to seize power.
EDIT: The reddit feed that Oshiguru posted seems to be faster/up to date than the Telegraph feed.
Oshiguru
07-15-2016, 12:47 PM
Reddit has a pretty good live update thread as well:
https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq
CharlesInCharge
07-15-2016, 12:49 PM
The ZioAmerican empire has controlled Turkey since before the Armenian genocide.
This is a show... there is a "New World Order" shift of direction going on now after ISIS's fail.
Manic!
07-15-2016, 01:03 PM
The ZioAmerican empire has controlled Turkey since before the Armenian genocide.
This is a show... there is a "New World Order" shift of direction going on now after ISIS's fail.
And your a Trump supporter.
CivicBlues
07-15-2016, 01:17 PM
Fantastic. Hopefully these guys know what they're doing and will put this once progressive country back on track.
dat_steve
07-15-2016, 01:23 PM
And your a Trump supporter.
if your gonna jab at CiC, you're grammar needs to be in check or else you loose the affect.
CivicBlues
07-15-2016, 01:29 PM
Some context from The Atlantic
If Friday marks the end of Erdogan’s leadership, it will complete a stunning arc over the course of two decades: from political disgrace to the leadership of the nation; from the toast of the globe and the beacon of hope for Western leaders to pariah and avatar of repression and autocracy.
Erdogan served as mayor of Istanbul in the 1990s as part of an Islamist party, but was barred from politics and imprisoned in 1998, a victim of the periodic crackdowns on religious parties that have characterized the Turkish state since its founding. He returned to politics with the AKP, or Freedom and Justice Party, a more moderate party that melded Islamism with modernizing impulses. Erdogan became prime minister in 2003. The rise of the AKP initially fed speculation that the military, a staunchly secular institution loyal to the precepts of the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, might launch a coup, as it had done many times in the past.
But Erdogan managed to strike a middle path, drawing in some liberals who applauded his modernizing steps, as well as more conservative and religious voters. He kept the military at bay, in some cases prosecuting generals for alleged coups. His “Turkish model” was highly lauded abroad, with Western leaders and analysts hoping it might represent a successful fusion of Islamist politics with liberal democratic principles—a fusion that came to be seen as ever more necessary as Islamism became entrenched across the Middle East. President Obama in particular grew close to Erdogan, holding up him as a model.
But Erdogan’s liberalism only went so far. As his tenure lengthened, he broke with the enigmatic religious leader Fethullah Gülen, a longstanding ally who is now exiled in Pennsylvania. It soon became apparent that his goal was not a liberal democracy but a sort of revival of Ottomanism. Erdogan grew increasingly autocratic, cracking down on the media and drawing power to himself, working to transform the Turkish presidency—traditionally a relatively weak position, compared to the prime ministership—into a strong one. He became president in 2014, but the civil war in neighboring Syria and increasing tensions with Kurds encouraged him to grab even more power. By earlier this year, reporters were referring to Erdogan as being “on a march to dictatorship.” Even if Erdogan is able to survive the coup and reassert control, the Turkish model is dead—and so are any hopes that Erdogan might be a liberalizer or a democrat.
belka
07-15-2016, 01:33 PM
This will carve up the country for sure.
if your gonna jab at CiC, you're grammar needs to be in check or else you loose the affect.
Bwahahahaha........................ I see what you did their.
CharlesInCharge
07-15-2016, 01:53 PM
Jet flies low over city
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754041460454981632
carisear
07-15-2016, 02:50 PM
if your gonna jab at CiC, you're grammar needs to be in check or else you loose the affect.
CiC is so unique. Calling him a trump supporter would actually be a compliment to him. Everyone should just re-sign to the fact that you can't insult him.
Irregardless of this, i'm just happy to live in Vancouver. even with how bad and corrupt our politicians like Gregor are, they are still nowhere near the same level as those other countries.
Presto
07-15-2016, 02:56 PM
Article from CBC, a few months ago. It gives some insight as to why this is happening:
Turkey's Erdogan: Doing it his way, at home and abroad (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/turkey-refugees-erdogan-davutoglu-1.3587599)
How to escape the hackneyed song, sung off-key by so many, "I did it my way"?
Try the new, political version: "You go your way, we'll go ours."
Today's geopolitical songwriter is Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey.
He stands at the centre of several crises, a couple of his own making and a couple more that he is using for his own ends. He's a powerful man, and he revels in his power to divide and conquer.
The international crisis that centres on Turkey is that of refugees, principally Syrians. There are more than three million refugees in Turkey, 2.75 million of them Syrians, fleeing from the bloody dismemberment of their country.
Turkey's opening of its borders to so many fleeing war and persecution is an extraordinary act of humanitarian generosity. It's also a monumental reproach to the countries of Europe, which have dragged their feet on accepting refugees.
But the burden is great, as wars in Syria and Iraq stretch on. Some refugees have been camped in Turkey for years. In the coastal city of Izmir alone, where I was working recently with refugees, there are an estimated 200,000.
The strain is enormous, first on the almost 90 per cent of refugees not living in camps.
For years they were legally barred from working. But they must live, which means many, including children, work illegally, or at jobs that barely pay.
We met Firaz in the street. He lost a forearm and three fingers on his other hand in industrial accidents as a boy. Then war and bombs flattened his house in Aleppo and he and his family fled to Turkey and Izmir.
Now this disabled man, sometimes helped by his seven-year-old son, drags a trolley through the streets collecting cartons, plastic and aluminum cans. By the end of the day his load may weigh 100 kilograms as he drags it to the collection centre.
He's paid a few dollars for his haul. It's all he can do to feed his large family of seven children.
"This is my future, hard work to feed my kids," he says. This reality is my future."
Turkey has spent billions of dollars supporting refugees, principally the more than 300,000 in refugee camps. The others have existed in a sort of limbo.
Then last year the floodgates opened. Flotillas of rubber dinghies started carried refugee from Turkey to Greek islands. More than one million flowed into Europe, and several thousand lost their lives in the dangerous sea crossing.
The old city of Izmir became a staging area, besieged by refugees, many sleeping rough. They streamed into several cafés where smugglers held court. They were ready to pay $1,000 US for the crossing and the smugglers were ready to take their money. Some smugglers were making hundreds of thousands of dollars a week.
The Turkish government did little or nothing.
Billions of euros for Turkey
By the end of 2015 European leaders were panicking. Led by Germany's Angela Merkel, they hammered out a deal with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Erdogan's No. 2. The Europeans would pay Turkey billions of euros to block the flow, and they would take one refugee for every economic migrant returned from Europe to Turkey.
But, above all, Europe would waive visa requirements in the so-called Schengen zone (which doesn't include Britain) for Turks wishing to travel to Europe.
After the accord, the smugglers and the dinghy flotilla disappeared. Turkish warships are now seen patrolling the waters where the refugees once crossed.
It seemed like a singular victory for Davutoglu and Turkey. Then Erdogan stepped in.
In early May he abruptly muscled Davutoglu out of his job. One theory was that he was jealous of Davutoglu's success and worried that he was becoming too independent.
The next day, Erdogan announced a congress of the Justice and Development Party (AKP), which called itself a moderate Islamic party when it came to power 15 years ago. At that congress on Sunday Erdogan will see a pliant yes-man chosen as prime minister.
Then he and his new yes-man will press ahead with his announced plan to turn Turkey into a French-style presidential republic. Erdogan will take on the mantle of a Muslim Charles de Gaulle.
Having created one crisis, Erdogan then sparked another. He all but tore up the refugee-visa agreement with the EU. That's when he said, "You go your way, we'll go ours."
Then came a real burst of anti-European fury. Erdogan accused European leaders of "hypocrisy" for demanding that Turkey amend its anti-terrorist laws to bring them into line with judgments by the European Court of Human Rights if it wanted visa-free access to Europe.
In Erdogan's legal armoury, the anti-terrorist laws can be and have been used against many who oppose his government's policies. That includes academics and journalists, several dozen of whom languish in prison.
It's a crime to insult Erdogan
There's another potent legal weapon a law making it a criminal offence to insult the president. More than 1,800 people have been charged under it.
His divisive approach, accompanied by the drumbeat of accusation and angry rhetoric, has left many fearful that he wishes to tear up the foundations of the non-religious republic created in 1923 by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Erdogan's view, often stated, is that women should be modest and veiled.
Educated women, in particular, are angry. "I fear him and hate him. He acts like a sultan," several said to me.
He also acts like a warrior, unleashing his armed forces against not only ISIS in Syria but also the minority Kurds in Turkey and in Iraq and Syria. There have been murderous bomb attacks in retaliation in several Turkish cities.
The atmosphere is panicky and unsettled. The group I was with, sent to profile refugees in Izmir, was stopped six times in three days and questioned by police, who had been called each time by suspicious residents.
In the midst of this, the refugees appear to be millions of pawns on a geopolitical chessboard.
One of Erdogan's advisers spelled it out in a recent tweet. If Europe doesn't knuckle under and agree to visa-free travel for Turks by the end of the year, if it makes what he called "a bad decision," then, in his words, "we send the refugees."
Erdogan is a man determined to do it his way.
StylinRed
07-15-2016, 03:07 PM
Insane... Turkey was on its way to being a world power again... Can't believe it
Like I said in the thread about Nice, the world needs to Calm the hell down
News just said a jet shot down some choppers which belong to the coup, tanks are on the highways headed to the airport and the military has taken the bridges
Erdogan is calling for supporters to protest in the streets, and that's what is being shown on the news now groups of protests are growing, but gunfire is being heard
We've heard that Erdogan has been causing a rift within the country but nothing seemed to be bad enough for a coup attempt... I wonder what outside forces are playing games in there?
Maybe Russia was pissed off over how Erdogan had been treating them...
Traum
07-15-2016, 03:10 PM
Makes me wonder why the military are pulling a coup instead of an assassination? If the primary target seems to be Erdogan, wouldn't a pin point attack in the form of an assassination be more effective?
maybe they feel they will need support from other countries and an assassination may affect that? or he's more valuable alive than as a dead martyr?
6o4__boi
07-15-2016, 03:30 PM
You know shits getting real when people are going at tanks with nothing but their bare hands.
Guts level over 9000.
Slifer
07-15-2016, 03:40 PM
if your gonna jab at CiC, you're grammar needs to be in check or else you loose the affect.
:badpokerface:
inv4zn
07-15-2016, 03:57 PM
:badpokerface:
You caught "loose" but not "affect"??
:badpokerface::badpokerface::badpokerface:
Also,
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/401/e37.png
highfive
07-15-2016, 04:34 PM
People are dying and getting hurt yet we are here on the internet talking about fucking grammar. lol #firstworldproblems
jasonturbo
07-15-2016, 05:14 PM
The Turkish military has a history of working hard to maintain the secular nature of the constitution, in recent history there has been a number of near-coups that were thwarted in the knick of time.
Ultimately this coup shouldn't be a surprise to Erdogan... he's a power hungry dictator who supports ISIS, GTFO loser.
Matsuda
07-15-2016, 06:11 PM
this makes me sad, I spent my honeymoon there 2 years ago in both those cities =(
SkinnyPupp
07-15-2016, 08:05 PM
The Turkish military has a history of working hard to maintain the secular nature of the constitution
This exactly what I was wondering, thanks
Good for them, religion doesn't belong in law, or anywhere near it. It looks like they've been kicking shitty religious leaders out for decades, and this is just the latest coup
SkinnyPupp
07-15-2016, 08:15 PM
In case you're wondering why it's important to get rid of this guy
The beginning of the end? Turkish president Erdo?an's worst moments | Europe | News | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-beginning-of-the-end-turkish-president-erdo-ans-worst-moments-10304375.html)
Recep Tayyip Erdogan: Turkey's ruthless president - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-13746679)
Apparently he wanted to implement full sharia law, the same outdated, barbaric law that all the shitty countries around the world use that basically gives their people - especially women - no rights to live a normal life.
SkinnyPupp
07-15-2016, 08:53 PM
Looks like it's failing... Man a failed coup attempt has to be worse than not having one at all. Scary
Mr.Money
07-15-2016, 08:58 PM
how?...the army was rolling with tanks and all..even jets above.
SkinnyPupp
07-15-2016, 09:11 PM
how?...the army was rolling with tanks and all..even jets above.
He probably had enough people placed in the military where the coup was only attempted by part of it. We'll have to wait and see
Digitalis
07-15-2016, 09:56 PM
This is why people are willing to pay top dollars to live here.
CiC is so unique. Calling him a trump supporter would actually be a compliment to him. Everyone should just re-sign to the fact that you can't insult him.
Irregardless of this, i'm just happy to live in Vancouver. even with how bad and corrupt our politicians like Gregor are, they are still nowhere near the same level as those other countries.
parm104
07-15-2016, 10:11 PM
I've been on the phone with Air Canada for nearly 1.5 hours trying to get my flight that depart from Istanbul on the 18th to Vancouver rerouted from Greece.
I've heard everything from:
- Your flight is still valid and it has not been cancelled so you cannot change your flight yet.
- There are currently no problems in Turkey and your flight will depart as scheduled.
- The airport may be open on the 18th of July so your flight will likely still depart from Istanbul on the 18th.
By the 2nd call, I found a press release on their website referring to a policy that allows me to change my flight due to the circumstances in Turkey. Now I'm on hold for someone to see if I am eligible. Just bonkers.
Manic!
07-15-2016, 10:19 PM
I've been on the phone with Air Canada for nearly 1.5 hours trying to get my flight that depart from Istanbul on the 18th to Vancouver rerouted from Greece.
I've heard everything from:
- Your flight is still valid and it has not been cancelled so you cannot change your flight yet.
- There are currently no problems in Turkey and your flight will depart as scheduled.
- The airport may be open on the 18th of July so your flight will likely still depart from Istanbul on the 18th.
By the 2nd call, I found a press release on their website referring to a policy that allows me to change my flight due to the circumstances in Turkey. Now I'm on hold for someone to see if I am eligible. Just bonkers.
The person working the phone was probable stuck in a cubical and had not seen the news.
PiuYi
07-16-2016, 12:22 AM
so this Erdogan was a power crazed dictator.... but has the support of the Turkish people, UK, and Germany?
what's the skinny on this guy for those of us uninformed
Teriyaki
07-16-2016, 08:31 AM
Guy came off as nice guy originally, then turned maniacal. People not impressed, didn't do anything. Small part of army decides they want to play hero. People choose the evil they know vs the evil they don't know. End.
SkinnyPupp
07-16-2016, 08:54 PM
Not to be all CiC, but the first thing I thought when it ended so quickly that it was staged.
Turns out I'm not the only one who thinks this - Fethullah Gülen himself said it might have been https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/16/fethullah-gulen-turkey-coup-erdogan
SkinnyPupp
07-21-2016, 09:30 AM
It's happening
Turkey coup attempt: State of emergency announced - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36852080)
Hürriyet Daily News | Turkey to temporarily suspend European Convention on Human Rights after coup attempt (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-temporarily-suspend-european-convention-on-human-rights-after-coup-attempt.aspx)
So basically the government can do whatever the fuck they want now, since they were "threatened".
Anyone else want to join me in the false flag conspiracy theory?
Traum
07-21-2016, 10:44 AM
I guess the threat of getting kicked out of NATO doesn't mean much to Turkey, eh?
Gululu
07-21-2016, 11:00 AM
Turkey is just one of several America's yapping dog. They bark when Obama ask them to. Piece of shit country.
Infiniti
07-21-2016, 11:59 AM
I guess the threat of getting kicked out of NATO doesn't mean much to Turkey, eh?
There are those who argue that a Turkish exit from NATO could affect the alliance more than it would Turkey. Its important to keep in mind that Turkey is NATO's second largest member and has been one of the most active participants in NATO operations worldwide.
They are a vital asset to NATO in the middle east and play a pivotal role in the Syrian context. In all likelihood, Turkey won't leave NATO (at least not for the foreseeable future) as the U.S relies on the use of its airbases for ongoing operations in the region and Turkey under the Erdogan administration has proven very useful to NATO as mentioned above.
Traum
07-21-2016, 12:05 PM
Undoubtedly, Turkey plays a pivotal role when it comes to the Syria situation. At the same time, I can't help but think that the European members has to be fed up and tired of the way Turkey is milking the Syrian refugees for its own benefits in the EU. They are literally using it as ransom to get what they want from the EU -- the refugee floodgates open if Turkey doesn't get what they want. You can't negotiate and work together with someone in bad faith like that.
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