[chinese_driver]

Ive put some thought into starting a career with the auto tech apprenticeship program at BCIT. What ive been thinking about is the long term situation like in 10 years for example, does anyone think it might be a bad time to go down this path of auto mechanics now? Especially with this revolution in the automotive industry, theres somewhat of a transition into new technology with hybrids and electric motors and possibly special tools needed etc. Even with new cars, everything is warrantied, so has work slowed down if you aren't in a dealership? And Ive heard dealerships are hard af to get into unless you have a connect or start out washing cars for a couple years then you might have a chance to do lube.

I get that there might be a rough start in your career and you might not see any good money until you've put in your hard work and hours but I can understand the sacrifice. I just wanted to hear some peoples opinions on this because Ive dwelled on this program for a while, switched my focus of studies a couple times and have always ended up with wanting to do this but not sure if its the right time for the long run. Any advice is appreciated thanks

[?NR]

make your living doing something that you love and makes you happy.

[nsx042003]

there's always a need as long as there are cars on the road. mechanics don't just work on engines, there are plenty of parts that need maintenance and stuff.

[320icar]

After reviewing your forum name, I suggest you get into bodywork

[meme405]

make your living doing something that you love and makes you happy.

Then you can come join everyone else in the RE thread complaining that they can't afford a place to live in Van.

:troll:

Seriously though, I think everyone can appreciate that there are certain hobbies and things that people love doing which simply do not translate well towards making a living.

@OP - I wouldn't worry about auto tech being on the decline, the skills you learn will translate well towards many other things. If you think it might be something you love doing. Go for it. There are way worse careers people are currently trying to pursue out there.

[Cillu]

Just do it, no regrets.

[Curren$y]

make your living doing something that you love and makes you happy.

The best advice you can possibly get right here.

[see.lai]

Don't do it unless you really want to. (currently at a dealership)

[chinese_driver]

Don't do it unless you really want to. (currently at a dealership)

Can i ask why?

[GS8]

make your living doing something that you love and makes you happy.

True but be aware that something that started out fun can turn into a mindless stressful chore, especially when there's money involved.

Because when there's money involved, you're at the whim of whoever you're working for. It can be a best or worst experience. What you spend years passionately into can become tarnished for varying reasons.

That said, you won't know unless you try. There's always money making career options that allow hobbies to become that much more desirable (such as fixing cars).

Good luck.

[Port Man]

" I think everyone can appreciate that there are certain hobbies and things that people love doing which simply do not translate well towards making a living."

Exactly what meme said. You may find out you like working on just your own/family cars and turn a passion into a job you will eventually hate. Best to try out working somewhere first doing oil change/brake changes. This will be your life 40hrs/week. I think there is big money in the future for car electronics/diagnostics... but to specialize in it you must go through the whole mechanic tree and really understand how the bare bones of how a car works

[toyota86]

I wrench for a living. It pays well. Turned a hobby into a job. After a while, I no longer have that hobby. I have a couple project cars that have been covered in dust for couple years and I have neither the motivation nor the time to finish them.

[Peturbo]

From someone that took that 2 year auto tech diploma BCIT program and is now a red seal tech, don't automatically think you can get a job with your certificate.
You may very well spend quite a bit of time in the wash bay or something to start. It's all about luck and timing with this trade when starting out. Just don't be a slack off and show you have good work ethics.
I would say less than half of my class of 30 is working at a job related to cars now, handful as apprentices, 2 or 3 as red seal techs.
It'll be a rough few years of your life. Once you finish it doesn't get any better. Low pay as apprentice with tens of thousands you'll end up spending to build your tool collection through the years.
It can definitely pay out though, as long as you stick it through.
Specialty tools are most often supplied by shop so you don't have to worry about them.

[mb_]

I worked as a first year apprentice at a dealership and I found that it wasn't for me. Wasn't fun working on cars anymore and after working on them all day, I put off even working on my own car until I really needed to.

So yeah, definitely not for everyone. I have a lot of close friends that still work in the shop and some that decided to do something else.

[?NR]

In my case, I've always been a car guy. My whole family is about cars. Dad was a heavy duty diesel mechanic, mom was a taxi driver (yep), my sister drives stick better than most people I know (maniac) and she loves making her car faster, brothers naturally are in the industry from autobody, to mechanics, to ICBC. I've followed that path because I grew up around it.

unfortunately, meme is right. After awhile the hobby and excitement portion of it dies when money is introduced.

Still in the industry, but slowly transitioning into my other passion: motorcycles.

"A successful person should have passion for whatever they do".

which is true, but nowadays a better formula would be " A successful person should bring his/her passion to whatever they wants to do".

[teggy604]

I would go Heavy duty or commercial transport, and try to get in with the city.

[extracrunchie]

I agree, some guys I know graduated and couldn't fined a job. They are working at oil change places.......kinda sucks.

[KDMofo]

There's a lot of money in the auto body industry, the shortage for bodymen is crazy. If you work hard enough, on flat rate, you're making 6 figures. And there's a never ending supply of work because people are always getting into accidents, most icbc express shops are booking 1+ month in advance for repairs too

[JipJopJones]

As someone who completed the program got a job as an auto tech, I'm no longer working in the industry. I hated it. The pay is shit compared to other trades, and the work is pretty garbage. I enjoy working on my own car, my friends cars, but as a job it was stressful and took the fun out of doing it as a hobby.

Just my experience

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[Timpo]

I wrench for a living. It pays well. Turned a hobby into a job. After a while, I no longer have that hobby. I have a couple project cars that have been covered in dust for couple years and I have neither the motivation nor the time to finish them.

This is exactly what happen to a guy I know who is a motorcycle mechanic.

Working on motorcycle was his passion, so he became a mechanic by trade.
After working full time twisting wrench for people's motorcycle, after you get off work, you really don't feel like twisting more wrench for your own motorcycle.

[Timpo]

I agree, some guys I know graduated and couldn't fined a job. They are working at oil change places.......kinda sucks.

I would suggest OP to work at oil change places to see if he would enjoy working on cars full time for somebody else's car.
You don't need to be a mechanic by trade to work at those places, so it's a good experience.

As a mechanic, you never get to work on your favorite project, you will always be working on cars that you don't like or stuff you don't wanna do.
And if something goes wrong, you won't get paid for overtime because they go by book.

[Timpo]

Something to keep in mind, a lot of mechanics get unhealthy.

You will constantly lifting heavy weights in awkward position. You will constantly inhaling vaporized gas, your skin will always in contact with harmful chemical.
Yes, you will be doing these unhealthy stuff for full time. It's not like a hobby where you get to work on your own project in your garage or backyard at your own pace and time.

[Iron Chef]

Sounds like a lot of people in here either suck at wrenching on cars and or worked in some really shitty places.

There is a huge demand here and anywhere else in the world for SKILLED trades. There are plenty of monkeys that can turn a wrench but very few skilled tradesman that are the masters of there trade.

The only advice i can offer is do something that you love to do and master it, become the best in your field, the money will follow. Only people who love what they do care about it enough to master it and set yourself apart from your peers.

If you want to get into the trade, you need to decide what path will allow you to build a solid foundation to build your career on. I think the biggest mistake for apprentices is to try to get into a dealership. Dealerships you work on the same cars and often don't get exposed to a variety of work. If you really cared about becoming the best technician, you want to expose yourself to a wide variety of product, and give yourself the shittiest jobs you can get your hands on.

Once you have built your foundation with the hands on wrenching and have a good solid understanding on how things work, go the dealer and specialize on a certain make. Become proficient at electrical diagnostics. The greatest job security is a superior skill set.

There are plenty of people who do it for a pay check and are ok with working on civics all day long, for me i'm an automotive enthusiast , and i like driving and working on cool cars. When you start getting into the high end product thats on the cutting edge of technology , it keeps you entertained.

I've been in the trade for over 16 yrs. I never stress out at work, i almost never break a sweat, i drive and work on some pretty sweet ass cars and although i won't get rich doing it, i can live very comfortably.

As with many things in life your happiness is generally dependant on the level of your competency, so make sure your really competent and you'll be ok.

[Gucci Mane]

Sounds like a lot of people in here either suck at wrenching on cars and or worked in some really shitty places.

There is a huge demand here and anywhere else in the world for SKILLED trades. There are plenty of monkeys that can turn a wrench but very few skilled tradesman that are the masters of there trade.

The only advice i can offer is do something that you love to do and master it, become the best in your field, the money will follow. Only people who love what they do care about it enough to master it and set yourself apart from your peers.

If you want to get into the trade, you need to decide what path will allow you to build a solid foundation to build your career on. I think the biggest mistake for apprentices is to try to get into a dealership. Dealerships you work on the same cars and often don't get exposed to a variety of work. If you really cared about becoming the best technician, you want to expose yourself to a wide variety of product, and give yourself the shittiest jobs you can get your hands on.

Once you have built your foundation with the hands on wrenching and have a good solid understanding on how things work, go the dealer and specialize on a certain make. Become proficient at electrical diagnostics. The greatest job security is a superior skill set.

There are plenty of people who do it for a pay check and are ok with working on civics all day long, for me i'm an automotive enthusiast , and i like driving and working on cool cars. When you start getting into the high end product thats on the cutting edge of technology , it keeps you entertained.

I've been in the trade for over 16 yrs. I never stress out at work, i almost never break a sweat, i drive and work on some pretty sweet ass cars and although i won't get rich doing it, i can live very comfortably.

As with many things in life your happiness is generally dependant on the level of your competency, so make sure your really competent and you'll be ok.

this. i was going to write up the exact same thing but found this post at the bottom. specialize in something and be better than the next guy at it, that way you'll always have a job and never have to worry about looking for work.

i like others spent my entire teen life thinking i would become an auto tech when i grew up. always took shop/mechanic classes in high school and even went to kwantlen for the auto tech program. in the end i decided to go against it because i didn't want something i loved to turn into something i loathed.

[sir rotary]

[QUOTE=Iron Chef;8783011]
I think the biggest mistake for apprentices is to try to get into a dealership. Dealerships you work on the same cars and often don't get exposed to a variety of work. If you really cared about becoming the best technician, you want to expose yourself to a wide variety of product, and give yourself the shittiest jobs you can get your hands on.


I agree 100% I've been in the industry 15 years I started my career working in two privately owned shops and learned so much. Ive worked for nissan now for 10 years and become a certified master nissan technician. I credit this to the first few years working on all makes and models from civics to motorhomes this is a foundation you should have The apprentices I see starting fresh at my dealer are one dimensional and really don't learn the right way in my opinion.
Good luck in your career. As others have said so what you love. Life is more than just money.

[The Hype]

I would go Heavy duty or commercial transport, and try to get in with the city.

In my first year Heavy Duty class, I got to know a guy who used to be an automotive mechanic for almost 20 years. He wished he took Heavy Duty from the start. Just anecdotal, but he mentioned the money wasn't nearly as good for him, plus he was really having to work himself to the bone.

As for getting in with the city, you only have two options. Get hired as a serviceman changing oil and doing grease jobs, wait your time and hopefully get an apprenticeship, OR get hired as a journeyman. They prefer Heavy Duty.

Source: I'm an HD mechanic for the CoV

[Iron Chef]

Your example is purely anteotal , but as a technician was he any good? Sounds to me like he worked at a pretty crappy place. You have to be the master of your destiny, if your not being fairly compensated for the work you perform you have to either build your skill set to be earn your keep or go somewhere else that will value your skill set , but life is too short to grind it out for 20 yrs before a career change.

Anyone that recommends going heavy duty why is that?
Is it for the money?
Is it for the work conditions ?
Is it for the job security ?

If it's just for the the highest pay for the given work , I guess there are some people who just look at it as a means to put food on the table but where's the fun in that. It sucks to work with people who have no passion for what they do, it fosters a culture of mediocrecy. It's hard to grow and develop in that kind of environment like that. You are the company you keep, so if you strive to be a god technician work in an environment that will develop and nurture it.

What has your experience been like as a hd mechanic? Maybe you could share some insight into it? How about in a unionized shop?

I have a friend who works for trans link as a hd mechanic and he tells me he's bored out of his mind, imagine working the same bus allllll day long, and the shop environment is just terrible. Due to it being unionized it's filled with a bunch of lazy losers, and hard efficient work is frowned upon because it makes the other guys look bad. The pay is great though for the work you do so he says.


In my first year Heavy Duty class, I got to know a guy who used to be an automotive mechanic for almost 20 years. He wished he took Heavy Duty from the start. Just anecdotal, but he mentioned the money wasn't nearly as good for him, plus he was really having to work himself to the bone.

As for getting in with the city, you only have two options. Get hired as a serviceman changing oil and doing grease jobs, wait your time and hopefully get an apprenticeship, OR get hired as a journeyman. They prefer Heavy Duty.

Source: I'm an HD mechanic for the CoV

[underscore]

My one suggestion for an automotive tech would be to get experience on as wide a variety of vehicles as possible early in your career, and then specialize in something you've found you like. If you're good at it, learn lots about electrical systems and diagnostics as I've found most mechanics don't know jack shit about either of those.

make your living doing something that you love and makes you happy.

Correction, ensure you can get jobs in that field that pays decently first. I know far too many people that went to school for "what they loved" and then found out that what few jobs were available in that field had shit pay.

[The Hype]

We partnered up for a lot of in class stuff, and he was very knowledgable. IIRC he worked at a dealership, can't remember which. The guy had a family early and hesitated on career moves until now.

If we're talking on an hourly basis, pretty certain an HD mechanic can make more than the other ones.

Definitely NOT for the work conditions, haha. Know how many service calls I've had to fix the D8 dozer at the transfer station? Or all the ridiculous repairs I've had to do to equipment at the landfill on the main dump face? Even servicing the equipment can suck when you have to dig out the tracks.

My experience overall has been a positive one in the trade. I like what I do but my goal is to move into management. What kinda insight are you looking for? All union jobs will have the lazy freeloaders, but our shop really doesn't have those. I know the typical view on "city workers" is that we're a bunch of lazy asses who lean on shovels (or wrenches in my case?) all day but we work hard in the shop. We take pride in our work and in our abilities. The pay is great indeed. I remember in class a bunch of people were talking about their wages and I had to bite my tongue because I made substantially more than they did. Also made me realize how lucky I am to be in this position. Once you're a journeyman though, things kinda level off unless you're somewhere up north or at the docks.

Your example is purely anteotal , but as a technician was he any good? Sounds to me like he worked at a pretty crappy place. You have to be the master of your destiny, if your not being fairly compensated for the work you perform you have to either build your skill set to be earn your keep or go somewhere else that will value your skill set , but life is too short to grind it out for 20 yrs before a career change.

Anyone that recommends going heavy duty why is that?
Is it for the money?
Is it for the work conditions ?
Is it for the job security ?

If it's just for the the highest pay for the given work , I guess there are some people who just look at it as a means to put food on the table but where's the fun in that. It sucks to work with people who have no passion for what they do, it fosters a culture of mediocrecy. It's hard to grow and develop in that kind of environment like that. You are the company you keep, so if you strive to be a god technician work in an environment that will develop and nurture it.

What has your experience been like as a hd mechanic? Maybe you could share some insight into it? How about in a unionized shop?

I have a friend who works for trans link as a hd mechanic and he tells me he's bored out of his mind, imagine working the same bus allllll day long, and the shop environment is just terrible. Due to it being unionized it's filled with a bunch of lazy losers, and hard efficient work is frowned upon because it makes the other guys look bad. The pay is great though for the work you do so he says.

[originalhypa]

Just do it.

I regret not completing my apprenticeship back in the day. I have friends now who have been mechanics for 20 years, and they're doing very well for themselves. I remember Jason T when he was a shop grunt at Dale's alignment back in the early 90's. Now he has 10 techs under his belt and is living a wonderful life.

Doing something is better than doing nothing. Plus, with a trade you can pretty much take your ass anywhere and be able to make a living.

Ever considered wrenching in Jamaica?
Get your ticket, and you can do what you want.

:cool:

[GS8]

Just anecdotal, but he mentioned the money wasn't nearly as good for him, plus he was really having to work himself to the bone.

Your example is purely anteotal , but as a technician was he any good?

:suspicious:

[dn53]

If i were to do it again, I would start at an independent shop instead of slaving away as a lot attendant/express. I worked as a volunteer at a indy shop for 3 months before i decided to go to a dealer. the shop cleanliness and wage drew me in. I started in the trade in 2010, and worked at 3 dealers but I would say only the past 3 years really helped me grow as a tech. I'm slated to finish my apprenticeship officially by next year.

I am happy where I am now-- I would say my job is never boring, always challenging, and always learning. Don't blame the trade if you arent happy-- there will always be good and bad work places in any field. It took me a long time of stress and anger to realize that before I left my first dealer, as the service manager refused to sponsor me after months of promises.

Buying tools becomes an addiction, dont let it get to you :lol

Good luck