[frozen]

Body found in historic Vancouver mansion identified as missing Japanese student | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/body-found-in-historic-vancouver-mansion-identified-as-missing-japanese-student-1.3096330)

The search for a missing Japanese student who vanished in B.C. three weeks ago came to a grim end this week after her body was found on the grounds of an empty Vancouver heritage mansion.
The deceased was discovered Wednesday evening at historic Gabriola House on Davie Street, but the Vancouver Police Department remained tight-lipped for more than a day afterward as officers scoured the surrounding area.
On Friday, police confirmed Natsumi Kogawa was found dead on the property, which has sat vacant and behind construction fencing for several years after being sold to a developer.

Sgt. Brian Montague said officers were initially led to the West End mansion by their investigation into Kogawa’s disappearance.
The 30-year-old ESL student was reported missing on Sept. 12, five days after she was last seen by her roommates at their Burnaby home.
Earlier this week, the RCMP released surveillance footage showing Kogawa walking with a man near Seymour and Hastings streets in downtown Vancouver on Sept. 8.
The man seen in that footage, William Schneider, was arrested by North Okanagan RCMP in Vernon hours after Kogawa's body was found, and remains in police custody.
One count of idignity to a body was approved against him on Thursday. Police said Schneider, 48, is the sole suspect in Kogawa’s death.
RCMP spokesperson Sgt. Annie Linteau said Schneider does not have a fixed address.
The missing person investigation was turned over to the VPD's Major Crimes section after the body was found, and detectives are now working with the RCMP to gather and analyze evidence.
An autopsy has been scheduled for Monday, and one of the things authorities hope to learn is the exact date that Kogawa was killed.
The relationship between Schneider and the victim isn't clear, and Montague said police can't release much information because of a publication ban on the case.
"We're going to be very cautious about what we share," he told reporters.
"We also have to be cognizant that there are still many witnesses to interview… we don't want to jeopardize our investigation."
The VPD spokesperson said the timeline of the student’s disappearance will factor heavily into the case.
“There was a fairly large time gap between the time between the time Ms. Kogawa was last seen and the dates she was reported missing,” he said.
“We’re going to do our best to fill in the blanks there, fill in that missing time.”

[dhari]

damn, RIP

[StylinRed]

Holy shit, heard about the body found in the mansion, but never imagined it would be that missing student

[Verdasco]

wow.. i always park my car beside that mansion on the 2hr parking spot on davie street every weekday..... no wonder so many cops there


RIP...


how the fck do they find the dude in vernon the same night of the body found? magic?

[Traum]

how the fck do they find the dude in vernon the same night of the body found? magic?
They already have a lead on the guy before they found the body.

[HonestTea]

Tragic :( RIP

[Ch28]

how the fck do they find the dude in vernon the same night of the body found? magic?

they already sent a bulletin to all the news outlets looking for the man a few days prior

[Mr.Money]

i really don't understand how a Japanese person could be careless to trust even talking to a Meth head creepy looking white Guy from the video screen shots they had of him..

[dbaz]

rip. was friends friend.

if you lived in japan youd understand. when your whole country is an escalator system, and you follow it you become clueless to the real world. those that dont follow the escalator system are pushed away. so unfortunately when a lot of them go overseas they are shocked and have no idea of how to deal with world wide situations that are seen as common occurances. interacting with homeless/druggies etc.

[Inaii]

RIP, co-worker and I were hoping for a positive ending to this story.

[josayeee]

Rest in peace to this lady. My condolences to the family.

[i-vtecyo]

RIP, was really hoping it wouldn't turn out like this.

[Anjew]

can someone eli5 why there is a publication ban on this?

[Traum]

can someone eli5 why there is a publication ban on this?
Investigation pending. More importantly, a trial will almost certainly be setup. The court usually doesn't like the media to diverge too much information about criminal cases for fear that it could pre-influence the judgement of the jury, but it will take public interest and the right to information into consideration as it make these decisions.

[swiftshift]

RIP :(

[danned]

rip,..

[Timpo]

rip. was friends friend.

if you lived in japan youd understand. when your whole country is an escalator system, and you follow it you become clueless to the real world. those that dont follow the escalator system are pushed away. so unfortunately when a lot of them go overseas they are shocked and have no idea of how to deal with world wide situations that are seen as common occurances. interacting with homeless/druggies etc.

yeah, Japanese people in general are quite naive.

[Special K]

Dbaz, can you explain what's an escalator system?

[Timpo]

Dbaz, can you explain what's an escalator system?

Japan's Escalator Schools: Future Decided At Age 5 - Japan Talk (http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/escalator-school-system-in-Japan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator_school
"An escalator school (エスカレーター学校 esukareitā gakkō?)[1] (also esukareitā kō (エスカレーター校?) and esukareita kō (エスカレータ校?))[2] is a school that offers education from elementary or middle (or even from the kindergarten) until university. Escalator schools are so called because students usually rise to the next grade without having to take entrance exams. While many Western private schools are this way, escalator schools are far more prevalent in Japan than in other countries."

[dbaz]

long story short your job can highly depend on what school you go to at age 5 or in some cases preschool as companies in japan hire off of your universities name not your individual characteristics or abilities. all these universities have preschools, elementaries, jr highs and sr highs

example: they will hire someone for an international trade job where english is required but hire a student who graduated in home studies(being a wife. legit) and has no other language skills over a student from a "lesser" university who has a degree in international tradr and is fluent in english and japanese.


its so important to people now they will go to cram school for 2-4hrs a day after whats usually 7am-5pm at school and then go home and study. there is little to no time for them to explore the real world

japan is also super group orientated while western countries are more indvidual so that mind fucks them too. dont have experience approaching people, they are always put in groups.

[mr_chin]

Saw a missing person poster of this student outside of a bbt cafe couple days ago. Dayum.

[flagella]

long story short your job can highly depend on what school you go to at age 5 or in some cases preschool as companies in japan hire off of your universities name not your individual characteristics or abilities. all these universities have preschools, elementaries, jr highs and sr highs

example: they will hire someone for an international trade job where english is required but hire a student who graduated in home studies(being a wife. legit) and has no other language skills over a student from a "lesser" university who has a degree in international tradr and is fluent in english and japanese.


its so important to people now they will go to cram school for 2-4hrs a day after whats usually 7am-5pm at school and then go home and study. their is little to no time for them to explore the real world

japan is also super group orientated while western countries are more indvidual so that mind fucks them too. dont have experience approaching people, they are always put in groups.

I had lived both in China and Japan. Honestly that's no different from the system in China or many other Asian countries where the competition is just as fierce, if not more. Hell in China your fate is almost decided depending on where you were born.

Japanese are simply polite and nice and have been exposed to a culture that is generally safe and trusting. This could work against them in a foreign country where it is more culturally diverse with people coming from more sophisticated background.

I don't think it's exactly the escalator system that's the issue here (although I'm not a fan of it), but it's the Japanese culture that shapes their people. They tend to be more trusting of others than say, people from China.

[IMASA]

Saw this on reddit, wonder if there's more to the story.

A screen cap from: https://www.facebook.com/findnatsumikogawa/posts/549997035197974?comment_id=550005151863829&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D

http://i.imgur.com/sNbKRdm.jpg

[flagella]

There's a lack of detail on how she was exploited and made money off of.

[josayeee]

Saw this on reddit, wonder if there's more to the story.

A screen cap from: https://www.facebook.com/findnatsumikogawa/posts/549997035197974?comment_id=550005151863829&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D

http://i.imgur.com/sNbKRdm.jpg

Is this the same guy?

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[SumAznGuy]

There's a lack of detail on how she was exploited and made money off of.

On Reddit it mentioned they were getting 30% commission for helping the students get into schools and more commission for helping them find housing.

[chouchou]

Saw this on reddit, wonder if there's more to the story.

A screen cap from: https://www.facebook.com/findnatsumikogawa/posts/549997035197974?comment_id=550005151863829&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D



link to the reddit post??

[dbaz]

I don't think it's exactly the escalator system that's the issue here (although I'm not a fan of it), but it's the Japanese culture that shapes their people. They tend to be more trusting of others than say, people from China.

yep, that adds to it too. from when they are young they are told to keep their personal thoughts to themselves and just agree and be nice to everyone no matter the situation. they are never told the value of no. add this with the ecalator system and the lack of individuality... ugh

[Mr.Money]

Ah i see,i'm not trying to put the "blame Game" on her,it is a sad Story and My thoughts are with those effected.

I just wonder if this will put a Black Eye on Tourism from japan with this recent incident,or Learn them not to trust Strangers so much away from home

[iwantaskyline]

yep, that adds to it too. from when they are young they are told to keep their personal thoughts to themselves and just agree and be nice to everyone no matter the situation. they are never told the value of no. add this with the ecalator system and the lack of individuality... ugh

When i was in Japan a year ago I noticed kids as young as 5 were taking the train to school by themselves. Apparently really common throughout Japan -- they would have an address on their backpacks for strangers to help them if they got lost.

[Ducdesmo]

When i was in Japan a year ago I noticed kids as young as 5 were taking the train to school by themselves. Apparently really common throughout Japan -- they would have an address on their backpacks for strangers to help them if they got lost.

Yes it's very common. I was born in Asia and walked to school by myself starting at Grade 1 or so.

[dbaz]

^ walking 5-20min to school is one thing, taking a train for 2hrs each way is another

[Spoon]

On Reddit it mentioned they were getting 30% commission for helping the students get into schools and more commission for helping them find housing.

Nobody works for free. Why are people surprised there's profits involved. :rukidding:

[Bouncing Bettys]

Nobody works for free. Why are people surprised there's profits involved. :rukidding:
Aren't those tasks usually provided by the school like academic advisors, student services, etc which are included with tutition?

[flagella]

When i was in Japan a year ago I noticed kids as young as 5 were taking the train to school by themselves. Apparently really common throughout Japan -- they would have an address on their backpacks for strangers to help them if they got lost.

Pretty common. When I was in elementary school in Japan, I used to commute an hour one way for my violin lesson after school. I walked in a relatively dark neighborhood too from the station to the teacher's house. Less common for school commute unless you are in some private school I guess. Typically there would be buddy systems arranged and kids would walk in packs to school.

[MG1]

^ walking 5-20min to school is one thing, taking a train for 2hrs each way is another

Well, let me tell you how I got to school when I lived up north. I started at around 5:00 am, walked for 15 miles uphill in snowshoes during the winter and then crossed two rivers over rope bridges............ shall I go on?

Had ski's on my back to use when going back home, downhill.

Ah, kids these days have it made.

[flagella]

Thought you were gonna say walked uphill both ways.

[Mr.Money]

Well...Don't forget kids Trick & tricking every house hop in or out of a Car How Lazy and Sad this generation is..8 pm?...Well its all done.

[dbaz]

poor mg1, never had netflix and chill when he was young

[maxxxboost]

poor mg1, never had netflix and chill when he was young

He just chilled....chilled a lot.

[twitchyzero]

wonder if it's opportunistic encounter or initially setup as a date
i hope apps like tinder haven't desensitized us from stranger danger
finding the body at a historic mansion makes it a little more chilling
thoughts are with her family and friends

[dbaz]

from japanese news the homeless guy frequented japanese language exchange meetups.
theres also a pic of the two coming out of a liqour store with a large bottle of vodka

[Amuse]

from japanese news the homeless guy frequented japanese language exchange meetups.
theres also a pic of the two coming out of a liqour store with a large bottle of vodka
Any link to that? This is interesting.

Also, is the Gabriola House haunted?
http://www.ghostsofvancouver.com/haunted-locations/gabriola-house/

[dbaz]

its supposed to be haunted. can confirm its creepy as fuck.


heres the link
http://www.excite.co.jp/News/world_g/20161003/Tbs_news_71125.html

good luck

[Verdasco]

asa akira got touched when she was 7 years old in the trains back in japan


probably felt cock hungry afterwards








joking aside, das not right maneee

[Harvey2003]

William Victor Schneider (49) originally from Vernon, BC charged with 2nd Degree Murder on Feb.10th 2017 in relation to Natsumi Kogawa has also been charged with Attempted Sexual Assault in an unrelated incident that is alleged to have occurred Sept.28th 2016 in Vernon, B.C..

Sworn date for that charge was Jan.31.2017

The date of the sexual assault attempt is the same day he was arrested in Vernon for Indignity to a Body charge (in relation to Natsumi) Sept.28th 2016.

He appeared in court Feb.16th in Vernon, BC for this ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ASSAULT charge. His next appearance is scheduled March 30th 2017 in Vernon for this charge.

SCHNEIDER has remained in custody at the South Fraser Pretrial facility in Port Coquitlam since his arrest in Vernon on Sept.28th 2016.


SCHNEIDER will next be in court @222 Main St. at 09:30 on March 27th.2017.

https://mediareleases.vpd.ca/2017/02/10/murder-charges-laid-in-death-of-japanese-student/

[Harvey2003]

Body found in historic Vancouver mansion identified as missing Japanese student | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/body-found-in-historic-vancouver-mansion-identified-as-missing-japanese-student-1.3096330)
William Victor Schneider (49) originally from Vernon, BC charged with 2nd Degree Murder on Feb.10th 2017 in relation to Natsumi Kogawa has also been charged with Attempted Sexual Assault in an unrelated incident that is alleged to have occurred Sept.28th 2016 in Vernon, B.C..

Sworn date for that charge was Jan.31.2017

The date of the sexual assault attempt is the same day he was arrested in Vernon for Indignity to a Body charge (in relation to Natsumi) Sept.28th 2016.

He appeared in court Feb.16th in Vernon, BC for this ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ASSAULT charge. His next appearance is scheduled March 30th 2017 in Vernon for this charge.

SCHNEIDER has remained in custody at the South Fraser Pretrial facility in Port Coquitlam since his arrest in Vernon on Sept.28th 2016.


SCHNEIDER will next be in court @222 Main St. at 09:30 on March 27th.

https://mediareleases.vpd.ca/2017/02/10/murder-charges-laid-in-death-of-japanese-student/

[Vansterdam]

^ strong first 2 posts there

[IMASA]

Surprised and delighted to see a PM this morning...until it turn out to be from this guy


William Victor Schneider (49) originally from Vernon, BC charged with 2nd Degree Murder on Feb.10th 2017 in relation to Natsumi Kogawa has also been charged with Attempted Sexual Assault in an unrelated incident that is alleged to have occurred Sept.28th 2016 in Vernon, B.C..

Sworn date for that charge was Jan.31.2017

The date of the sexual assault attempt is the same day he was arrested in Vernon for Indignity to a Body charge (in relation to Natsumi) Sept.28th 2016.

He appeared in court Feb.16th in Vernon, BC for this ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ASSAULT charge. His next appearance is scheduled March 30th 2017 in Vernon for this charge.

SCHNEIDER has remained in custody at the South Fraser Pretrial facility in Port Coquitlam since his arrest in Vernon on Sept.28th 2016.


SCHNEIDER will next be in court @222 Main St. at 09:30 on March 27th.

https://mediareleases.vpd.ca/2017/02/10/murder-charges-laid-in-death-of-japanese-student/