[StaxBundlez]

Some old people being dragged down the stairs apparently over a strata dispute..
:heckno:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0Es-xFe7o&feature=youtu.be



Coquitlam RCMP filmed dragging elderly man down stairs (VIDEO) | Daily Hive Vancouver (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/coquitlam-rcmp-old-man-dragged-down-stairs-october-2016)

[RickyTan3]

Just because their age doesn't mean they can be uncooperative with officers.

Yes I feel a bit sorry for them especially with a grand daughter screaming in the back ground but DAMN. Didn't know strata meetings can be that crazy

[StaxBundlez]

I agree. Old people can absolutely be as uncooperative with police as anyone. I just don't think it was necessary to drag an 80 year old man down the stairs - THAT definitely could've been handled better.

[Gerbs]

0:17,
Cop: turn around
Oldman: noooo

:joy:

[Hondaracer]

I agree. Old people can absolutely be as uncooperative with police as anyone. I just don't think it was necessary to drag an 80 year old man down the stairs - THAT definitely could've been handled better.

If the guy is not even willing to get up to go somewhere and talk what other options are there.

Looks to me like the guy just said fuck it and opted for the dead weight routine

[Timpo]

I don't think this is anywhere near as bad as some real police brutality..
No tazer, no pepper spray, no guns, no fists, nothing.

I don't particularly feel bad for those old people. They could've cooporated with the cops and everything should've been fine.

I do feel a bit sorry for the kid though, she will forever be traumatized with the cops for sure.

[tegra7]

Fuck strata!

[eclipseman]

I agree that old people can be annoying to deal with, but there has got to be a better way than dragging the man down the stairs. Cuff him and call for more officers perhaps?

Poor choice in this case.

[ImportPsycho]

WTF is wrong with that granny?
Your grand daughter is crying her eyes out, how about calming her down by talking to her everything is ok instead of completely ignoring her? In whole video, did she even looked at her once? Where the hell is her parents?

[320icar]

didn't know strata meetings can be that crazy

Clearly you haven't seen our other Mandarin only strata threads lol

[radioman]

The grandma was just saying "make sure you film this" "take a photo of this". My god what a shitty family.

[Manic!]

I agree that old people can be annoying to deal with, but there has got to be a better way than dragging the man down the stairs. Cuff him and call for more officers perhaps?

Poor choice in this case.

You want to be an idiot that what happens. He has 2 perfectly good legs and a $100+ pair of shoes on.

I hope child services was called. Parents/Grandparents should be ashamed.

[Hondaracer]

"We no pay fee increase!"

[MG1]

The grand daughter should have been removed first. Take her out of the picture and things might have been diferent. Was there no interpreter to calm the elderly couple down? Call ambulance, strap the elderly couple on stretchers, take 'em to police station. In any case, the RCMP didn't have patience.

The grand daughter was there for a reason.

Looks like the elderly couple were taking advantage of the situation. It could have been handled a bit better. The RCMP were played a bit here. And, as usual they had no idea what to do. Oh well............ more training video's.



Using the "senior in distress" card, lol. Hmmmmmm...............

[adambomb]

People online are screaming "what if that was your grandparents?!"

I'll admit, I'd be upset if my grandparents were arrested in this manner. But I would be equally upset at my grandparents if they caused such a disturbance that the police had to be called on them.

Sources claim the police rolled in at 1030pm. Long after the meeting had begun. I imagine the person who called for the police, did not want to call the police on the elderly but time frames show the grandparents gave the strata council no option but to call the police because of their actions. :smug:

[frozen]

Are you guys fucking retarded to think the removal by force was necessary? If you do, you either have zero fucking respect for elders or you have never raised a kid, so go fuck yourself and continue living in your parents' basement while you can barely meet your car payment.

Look, I fully understand that some elders can be pain in the ass and make you feel like you just want to "deal" with them and be done with it. I also tend to give police the benefit of the doubt whenever there is some sort of police brutality video popping up. But looking at this video there's nothing that indicates forcefully dragging an elder down the stairs in front of a screaming child was necessary. The elders didn't co-operate but they posed no threat. For fuck's sake at least bring in a translator instead continually speaking to the face of a person who doesn't understand what the fuck you're saying. Instead, you get another fuck face coming in and yelling "you guys did it".

You need to seriously re-evaluate your fucking life if you think it is fine for a police man to drag an 80-year old man, who poses zero fucking threat, down the stairs by his feet with his head banging on the stairs in front a little girl.

[parm104]

Are you guys fucking retarded to think the removal by force was necessary? If you do, you either have zero fucking respect for elders or you have never raised a kid, so go fuck yourself and continue living in your parents' basement while you can barely meet your car payment.


Swearing and derogatory name calling makes my viewpoint strongerrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Living in parent's basement and missing car payments = no respect for elders.

Exhibit A:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/02/parents-basement.jpg

(A man who lacks respect for his elders and is about to have his car repossessed).

[b0unce. [?]]

I like how the RCMP thinks if they shout louder, they'll understand what the fuck he's saying :lol

[radioman]

Guy who is filming said in the article that they hardly speak English. Here's a bright idea, how about you assist the cops and translate some instructions. God this film first mentality now a days.

[StylinRed]

By The Canadian Press
October 28, 2016 - 7:45pm
VANCOUVER — RCMP are looking into how Mounties handled an arrest of two seniors at a Vancouver-area hotel that was captured on a video that is circulating online.

The video posted on YouTube appears to show an officer dragging a man down a staircase while another officer arrests a woman, who appears to fall at one point.

A statement from RCMP Superintendent Sean Maloney confirms that police were called to a Best Western in the Vancouver suburb of Coquitlam on Wednesday evening.

Police said they received a report that fighting had broken out at a tennants meeting.

The meeting was stopped, but Maloney says witnesses said an elderly couple refused to leave.

Maloney says the couple was arrested and police will be forwarding a report to Crown Counsel about criminal charges.

Maloney says although no formal complaint has been made to the detachment about the arrest or the video, he decided to launch a review into the actions of the officers involved.

The Canadian Press

RCMP reviewing arrest of an elderly B.C. couple caught on video | CFJC Today (http://cfjctoday.com/article/546771/rcmp-reviewing-arrest-elderly-bc-couple-caught-video)

Oh didn't notice the same debts are at the end of the ops article

The Frist officer was an idiot, the second seemed overwhelmed but he tried, didn't seem to know what he should do

[ilovebacon]

there really is a language barrier here. This might have been the elderly first time being arrested and it could be really traumatizing to someone who isn't really born in Canada and not knowing how the procedures work. A translator would definitely be very helpful at that circumstances.

[Hondaracer]

No offense but regardlsss of age I think it's asinine to expect a translator to be at a beckon call in a situation that warrants an arrest..

You're not gonna get that anywhere else in the world unless the attending officer speaks said language.

[twitchyzero]

that's how you break a hip
too much force for seniors loitering
failed OP for vancitybuzz source

;8798339']I like how the RCMP thinks if they shout louder, they'll understand what the fuck he's saying :lol


i see that often

[MG1]

I honestly don't think they were traumatized. If they are that old and come from some place in Asia, they have most likely experienced their share of oppression. They probably knew what they were doing. They probably had their share of standing up against tanks and protesting. They may not have expected the RCMP to act the way they did. In any case, they knew what they were getting into. I hope they get a good scolding from somebody for bringing shame to the family. Seniors - so god damned messed up these days. Using social media to get their 5 minutes of fame. Gulolololol

[MG1]

No offense but regardlsss of age I think it's asinine to expect a translator to be at a beckon call in a situation that warrants an arrest..

You're not gonna get that anywhere else in the world unless the attending officer speaks said language.

As mentioned previously in this thread, how about the asswipe who was taking the footage? He could have helped matters............. oh, yeah. He was probably in on it.

Poor RCMP. Oh well, it is what it is.

[twitchyzero]

I honestly don't think they were traumatized. If they are that old and come from some place in Asia, they have most likely experienced their share of oppression. They probably knew what they were doing. They probably had their share of standing up against tanks and protesting.

they never said sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliY

[FerrariEnzo]

So it all started because of raising strata fee?

Insane...

[yray]

You don't mess with old Koreans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRc_FlmW2Jc

[ajei]

should have just threatened them with MORE strata fees....guy would've been on his feet in a second instead of acting like a child on the floor. too much force -- going for the wallet works better.

[SolidPenguin]

Thing is this wasn't even in their building. It was in a Best Western, and when the fight began at the meeting, it was called and everyone was kicked out. Them refusing to leave a place of business and them not being guests of the hotel also meant they were unwanted guests.

If they chose the dead weight route, they can be forcibly removed/arrested etc.

Im not saying the actions of the officers were warranted or not, but its also hard to say what happened before then. A little bit more patience may have helped. But also resisting arrest is resisting arrest....

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[flagella]

Can you not have two officers carry the old man on each end?

[GLOW]

Can you not have two officers carry the old man on each end?

i was thinking more of a fireman's carry but if they resist then cuffing his hands behind his back and then around his ankles and then just doing a modified fireman's carry but only hooking the leg...basically throwing him over the shoulder like a sack of potatoes.

[EmperorIS]

The cops fucked up professionally. This is what happens when cops are trained to deal with thugs in society and totally don't know how to handle every day domestic disturbances. The cops here pretty much lost his temper and just wanted to end it rather than resolving it. Not that the elder couple made it easy for them to resolve it.

Moral of the story: Don't start nothing, if you don't want nothing.

[flagella]

There's no question that the old couple was wrong for resisting here. However, it's extremely difficult to justify the way the police handled that old man. Remove the girl from the scene and handcuff the couple. Then carry each one of them out in a safe manner.

[Nlkko]

Old man got yanked pretty hard by the guy in glasses (probably gonna sue RCMP for hip replacement, traumatized experience) but the old lady seems to be handled ok?

All this over a strata meeting.... The glass officer needs a scolding. The old couple should be ashamed of themselves. All those years on them heads and pull that kind of stun.

This is in no way "police brutality" though. Dont be crazy.

[jasonturbo]

Anyone else kind of disappointed that they didn't just taze them?

[teggy604]

There are people in the background that spoke Korean and English that could have translated. Just seemed like nobody wanted to help do anything and gave the cops a difficult time doing their job. The guy filming is annoying. Would have got one officer to keep all of them at a distance to make the scene safe to work.

[GabAlmighty]

Can you not have two officers carry the old man on each end?

That's what they ended up doing, you can see when they finally get him out to the car

[adambomb]

There are people in the background that spoke Korean and English that could have translated. Just seemed like nobody wanted to help do anything and gave the cops a difficult time doing their job. The guy filming is annoying. Would have got one officer to keep all of them at a distance to make the scene safe to work.

I bet those Korean speakers had asked the old people to leave in their native language and the grandparents refused to the point the cops had to be called.

I don't buy the fact of the language barrier. Someone called the cops which means they probably were losing their patience with the grandparents before they made the call. Grandparents knew they were causing a fuss and I bet someone had told them in Korean to gtfo.

Remember, the call was for a fight at the Best Western and when the police show up, the caller pointed to the grandparents as the agitators. Police on scene tell everyone to go home. Grandparents still refuse to leave in a civil manner. Nobody wanted to help because maybe they were tired of the grandparents and their actions and wanted them gone.

People think this situation is the elderly vs. the police. But they seem to forget the elderly were fighting before the police got there.

:rukidding:

[Mike Oxbig]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d8/a3/02/d8a3026a06c49c0a747fe64702a858f9.jpg

[westopher]

If this was somewhere else you can be damn sure no one would be expecting a fucking police translator. If you can't speak the language in a country, you better be on your best behaviour when you meet a cop. It's a shame that it escalated to this, but to make suggestions like that is borderline hilarious. You think they just have 200 translators ready at a moments notice for every language?

*yes I understand people in this thread are suggesting the people there translate that had the option*

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

Asian Lives Matter

:troll::troll::troll:

In all seriousness though, probably couldve been dealt better by everyone involved. Too many stubborn ppl in one video.

[inv4zn]

Police authority in Korea is a joke. Because of the whole 'respect your elders' mantra, a lot of old people in Korea will just shout and yell things like "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" and "HOW OLD ARE YOU" to the police and some will get away with it. Most police in Korea do not carry guns. Most police in Korea are either young and unexperienced, or old and just not giving a fuck.

That said, the old people in the video may still have some of this ingrained in their minds, because that's the society they most likely spent most of their lives in. Some old korean people are stubborn as fuck. Donno if it was necessary dragging them down the stairs (instead of carrying, or something), but I'm inclined to say I have little sympathy for them with the information available.

Korean society is changing, but even in May when I was there you could still see old people who are clearly drunk, pulled out from their cars that they were driving drunk, shouting and yelling what I said above.

Source: am Korean.

tl;dr: as a Korean, I'm immediately inclined to say the old people were being stupid.

[twitchyzero]

Most police in Korea do not carry guns. Most police in Korea are either young and unexperienced

the ones I saw in the train stations and airports were equipped with Uzi's :smug:
perhaps they were military police

[MG1]

Speaking of Koreans......... any of you watch that CBC sitcom, Kim's Convenience?

People gonna think all Koreans are like that now.

[inv4zn]

the ones I saw in the train stations and airports were equipped with Uzi's :smug:
perhaps they were military police
What you saw were probably these guys - border security/airport police:
http://m.segye.com/content/image/2012/03/19/20120319022537_0.jpg

Most POs look like this in Korea lol:
http://cfile24.uf.tistory.com/image/1169423751665CFC10EED6

[jing]

Indoor sunglass wearing cool guys vs. traffic light uncle dudes that look like they're going to call you out on your shit at the next family dinner

[dvst8]

The couple posed no threat to anyone. Though they may be wrong in not following orders, the RCMP used poor judgement given the situation. Instead of calming situation it was escalated. That's where they failed. If the elderly man wanted to talk while on the damn floor, let him be. Were handcuffs/force really needed?

[Soundy]

;8798339']I like how the RCMP thinks if they shout louder, they'll understand what the fuck he's saying :lol

That makes them no different from any other white people....

[Soundy]

I do feel a bit sorry for the kid though, she will forever be traumatized with the cops for sure.
They disrespected her whole family!

Man, I can't wait until I'm old, so I can do whatever the fuck I want and be a complete asshole to everyone and when I receive a fully deserved righteous beatdown, I can get everyone on my side just because I'm old....

[MG1]

LOL, old people. I have to yell into my mom's ear so she can hear what I'm saying. She goes, "What?"

Few minutes later, I whisper something to the nurse and she hears me and says, "Is he still here?"

Selective hearing........... I'm gonna do that to my kids :troll:

[freakshow]

Everyone dun goofed here.. I don't doubt that the elderly people instigated and escalated the situation, however, the cop was an idiot for handling the man with the kind of physical action. You use physical force appropriate for the situation, and the fact that he was even able to drag the man down the stairs points to the obvious difference in physicality between the officer and the 80 year old..

I would generalize that, anyone that you're able to drag down the stairs by their feet while they are resisting is a person you probably shouldn't drag down the stairs..

[AzNightmare]

Anyone else kind of disappointed that they didn't just taze them?

How would that have helped??
They were playing dead weight to begin with...

Still gotta drag a tazed guy down the stairs, right? lol
:troll:

[PeanutButter]

How much do you think those old people even weigh? Just pick them up and bring them down the stairs? lol. this seems like a no brainer.

If that were my grandparents, I would be choked at the cops, but I could understand why they're doing what they're doing.

Why resist? Just go with them, this isn't China.

[adambomb]

I dunno. Maybe cause I'm also old, but how long is a cop supposed to sit back and wait for a senior citizen to cooperate with a simple request of "please, go home."


FailFish

[EDawg]

this Victor Kim (guy who filmed the video) is making me mad more than anything else

complaining like a little bitch but all he is doing is holding a cell phone filming the entire time

in the second video he claims that the grandma needs an ambulance and instructs the RCMP to call for one. Buddy, you're holding a fucking phone in your hand, if the grandma needs an ambulance why don't you call for one?

jesus

[EDawg]

second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6C9znsD9JU

[J____]

on a side note, that complex looks pretty nice, like a lodge

[J____]

How much do you think those old people even weigh? Just pick them up and bring them down the stairs? lol. this seems like a no brainer.

If that were my grandparents, I would be choked at the cops, but I could understand why they're doing what they're doing.

Why resist? Just go with them, this isn't China.

they aren't chinese :rukidding:

[mr_chin]

I mean, was it necessary to drag him down the stairs? Why didn't the two officer just carry the old man out? Then come back and carry the old lady out?

THEY'RE OLD PEOPLE FFS! What threat do they pose? Dumb ass officer can't make justifiable decisions...

[geeknerd]

As a Korean, one of the first things you learn is that police don't fuck around here. Literally the first lesson you encounter after landing in Canada is to be on your best behaviour with the customs officer because authorities don't mess around here.

Korean and elder or not, I don't feel sorry for them at all. The dead weight tactic speaks volumes of their irresponsibility. Not to mention the ignoring of the child.

However, the cop that dragged the grandpa down the stairs looks to be untrained in his use of force. Does he even lift? shame on him.

[rb]

Cops in the tri-cities esp Port Moody PD and Coquitlam RCMP are bored as fuck and get extremely amped up to the thought of using their ass kicking training / weapons. Don't tempt them...

[Soundy]

I mean, was it necessary to drag him down the stairs? Why didn't the two officer just carry the old man out? Then come back and carry the old lady out?

THEY'RE OLD PEOPLE FFS! What threat do they pose? Dumb ass officer can't make justifiable decisions...
You're right, what could anyone possibly have to fear from old people?

http://www.filmtakeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/The-Expendables-3-review.jpeg

[Nlkko]

You gotta commend them for not tazing though. "Police tazed elder immigrant couple" headline would be a headache for RCMP. The "fuck the police" crew would be out in full force.

[GLOW]

As a Korean, one of the first things you learn is that police don't fuck around here.

http://i.imgur.com/RrlKWwh.gif

[GLOW]

That makes them no different from any other white people....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8t52ROZCxg

on another relevant rush hour reference is where chris tucker goes:
"y'all trying to play me like a fool"

couldn't find the clip :okay:

[twitchyzero]

the polarizing comments here shows who was raised with western values vs traditional Asian values

'to earn respect you have to give it' vs 'respect your elders'

I was conflicted by the two school of thought growing up and it was always easier to understand the former but now I believe more in the latter

I think most would agree the seniors here are being absolutely stubborn. The authorities had the right to remove them, by force if necessary. A translator would be nice but there's the universal body language for GTFO should be very apparent regardless of age or language barriers.

What made it disturbing is someone who's frail is dragged by their feet down a flight of stairs when they weren't being physically aggressive

[hchang]

on a side note, that complex looks pretty nice, like a lodge

It was a best western......

[mr_chin]

It was a best western......

So it's not there anymore? :troll:

[Hondaracer]

From the news 1130 article posted today:

“One of our street crime detectives is a Korean-speaking officer who has now reached out to the family, although they are fluent in English.”

[GLOW]

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy80/Razor_Toast/yagotme.gif

[RickyTan3]

I think we can all agree that the camera man is a complete douchebag

[Nlkko]

Yep. People these days are so obsessed with "getting viral", they at times forgot how to be a decent human being.

[SolidPenguin]

So numerous articles also state that the elderly couple was arrested and charged, which means they did something that warranted it beforehand.

Edit: So word on the street is the grandpa was being escorted out by the officer at the stair landing, when grandpa punched and started kicking the officer. The officer fended the hits off and the guy fell, thats why he was laying down on the landing. Then he was arrested for assaulting a police officer and actively resisted arrest then eventually did the dead weight thing.

The grandma was also being escorted out by the other officer when she tried to smash a glass over the officers head, so she was also arrested for assaulting a police officer, then the resisting arrest you can see in the video. So all the while cop was trying to cuff grandma, but shes pulling away, and grand daughter screaming and hitting the officer, and actually bit the cop in the hand at one point.
The cop dealing with the grandma had so much restraint.

This is hearsay, but it all makes sense.

[FerrariEnzo]

I mean, was it necessary to drag him down the stairs? Why didn't the two officer just carry the old man out? Then come back and carry the old lady out?

THEY'RE OLD PEOPLE FFS! What threat do they pose? Dumb ass officer can't make justifiable decisions...
Even though they are old people, after XX amount of minutes of telling someone to do something but they wouldnt listen, your patients wears down.

What would you have done if you were that cop.. How long would have waited before doing something? So you have stood there for hours trying to convince them to leave? I think not, people would think your a pussy cop... LOL

[smoothie.]

grandpa didnt comply with rcmp

rcmp did their job

edit: drag cameraman down stairs next time pls

[d1gbick]

I know this couple and will give my thoughts.

I used to work at a bank on North Road. Half the customers are Korean. This couple were frequent customers and I am not one bit surprised to see this come up.

I wholeheartedly believe the police did the right thing.

First issue is, it hasn't been fully stated what exactly occurred to lead up to the situation of cops being called. This video starts when the arguing is already happening. Based on my past interactions with them, the whole ordeal probably started hours before the video started.

This couple (lady in particular) is bat shit crazy. She would come into our bank, tell us how a competing bank is giving them a cheaper mortgage rate, and proceed to demand we give them the same rate... for hours... She would literally come every single day without an appointment, demand to speak to the account rep managing her stuff and if she wasnt available she would sit in the waiting area for hours and grab her as soon as she walks out of her office

She's all about face and money money money. When anything to do with additional fees came up, all hell broke loose. She would walk around with LV, Gucci etc. (Not sure if fake or not) tell us how she owns property in Korea so we should give her the best rates. Meanwhile her bank account speaks the opposite.

It got so bad to the point where we had to close her account and refuse them as customers.

About the elder abuse point. I cannot believe the guy on the film is shouting you are killing them! please. They were 100% fine and I don't know what else the police were supposed to do at that point, again would not be surprised if they already tried to talk this out with him hours before the filming happened. It's a korean thing for old people to "play dead" so to speak in a protest/don't agree with what is happening situation. I can understand that move in a protest situation but this was not a protest. It's just ridiculous, old people acting like babies. It happens in Korea all the time. Their attitude is rather get injured while trying to prove your point and get your way.

This whole situation reeks old school Korean way of handling things and the officers did what they needed to do here. This may fly in Korea with the traffic light uncle dudes but it wont in Canada. So many other things could have gone wrong. Look how close the kid is to the holster while wailing away

Case in point:
http://blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2015/04/SouthKorea_Reuters.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/010187cd524f4248bc4f06144bdfd3a7/south-korean-radical-students-lie-on-the-ground-during-a-anti-war-fe6cw5.jpg
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FGXF3K/the-last-of-the-south-korean-farmers-lie-down-in-protest-after-an-FGXF3K.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/south-korean-conservative-protesters-lie-down-on-a-road-to-block-a-picture-id72405403

[meme405]

I'm just entertained about all the comments early on, including the original video poster saying they don't speak english. And as it turns out now, they speak perfect english.

The video looks pretty bad, but honestly just like all the other videos, it cuts you into the middle of a scene, where you have no idea what transpired before hand to make the police act like that. So I have no idea who is wrong or right.

[Soundy]

It's a korean thing for old people to "play dead" so to speak in a protest/don't agree with what is happening situation. I can understand that move in a protest situation but this was not a protest. It's just ridiculous, old people acting like babies. It happens in Korea all the time. Their attitude is rather get injured while trying to prove your point and get your way.

http://mash.wikia.com/wiki/"Whiplash"_Hwang

Sent from my SM-N900W8 using Tapatalk

[E-SPEC]

Stupid old man should have followed simple direction.

[mr_chin]

Even though they are old people, after XX amount of minutes of telling someone to do something but they wouldnt listen, your patients wears down.

What would you have done if you were that cop.. How long would have waited before doing something? So you have stood there for hours trying to convince them to leave? I think not, people would think your a pussy cop... LOL

If the rumor of the situation is true as stated by SolidPenguin, then definitely no patience and tolerance for assaulting a police officer.

However, not making assumptions and just seeing what we have on video, if I were the officers, I would have waited for back up to arrive (which they did in the video) and escorted the old man out with another officer. Two people can easily carry an 80 year old man out.

The question is, did the officers needed to extract the old folks out immediately right then and there, like it's top priority, and must resort to "dragging" an old man down the stairs? Or handle the situation with the elders' health and not afflict any unnecessary injuries as primary concern?

(not a question for you, but the officers should have thought about this first)

[J-Chow]

I'll put my 2 cents here.

As most people have said already; patience and experience is a huge factor in how the situation was handled and what could have been de-escalated.

Never forget risk assessment also plays a vital role. Was there a risk from the elderly people towards the officer. Was there a risk to the public? Was there a risk to themselves?Probably not from what it looked like on the video. It didn't get physical until the officers laid their hands on the individuals but we can't assume anything unless we witness what happened prior to the physicality aspect.

So verbalization is what the officers need to utilize.
Don't speak the language?
Call a translator. Federal Government translator on call available ? (Highly doubtful, maybe by way of phone call, but in person, no frickin way)

So no translator.
Hello bystander, I need you to help me translate.

Figure out what the hell is going on and what needs to be done.
In this case, grandma and grandpa need to leave the premises.
Child needs to be dealt with.
Child screaming? Try to get a hold of the parents. Not available?
Contact Child Services.
(By now, you should at least have some backup to deal with the child).
Don't want any unwanted distractions from the situation. Deal with one problem before moving on to the next.

Hopefully with the help of a bystander. Interpret.
I'm going to ask you to leave. No.
I'm going to tell you to leave. No.
Is there any reason why you won't leave? No
Disability, Medical reason? No.
I'm going to have to make you leave. No.

If after several attempts using verbals doesn't solve the issue.
Then you will have to utilize "use of force options".

Empty hand control soft, meaning applying pressure points, armbar escort if need be, or just have a bunch of officers carry out grandma/grandpa into the paddy wagon.

From watching the video only, officers rushed into making their decision, which made it look bad from our angle, but the behaviour of grandparents didn't really make it easy for them as well.

2 cents.

[GLOW]

They spoke English fine from an article and personally if i was that old man I'd rather get dragged down stairs than a younger larger cop using a joint lock to escort me out. Rug burn and a few bumps is better than brittle old limbs and nerves being handled an a controlled yet aggressive fashion.

2 cops and a carry him off like a roast pig is how i would have done it. That or roll him up in a carpet and roll him down the stairs :lol

[d1gbick]

This story has now hit Korean news in Korea. The netizens don't seem to be siding with the elders on this one

[CorneringArtist]

This story has now hit Korean news in Korea. The netizens don't seem to be siding with the elders on this one

Any chance of a source quoting what the netizens are saying? I'm interested in what the word is based on the background in this thread.

[melloman]

This is just another case of "I'm an entitled bitch and I think I'm better than everybody else."

Personally I hope the grand daughter is REMOVED from their custody and put into a foster home. If that's the kind of example you're setting for a child, you shouldn't have one. Especially now that we know the whole "no English" is bullshit, and that it is all over a fucking strata fee increase, these two "people" acted ridiculously.

People who are trying to defend the old peoples actions are also stupid. Yes, the RCMP could have handled this better. Yet they were called to REMOVE people, not to come and fucking babysit a strata meeting. Oh, you got hurt because you were RESISTING a police officer? What a fucking shame, boo hoo. Maybe next time, you could also TALK TO THE OFFICER AND NOT RESIST HIM.

:facepalm:

[Razor Ramon HG]

Elderly couple speak out about Coquitlam RCMP altercation caught on video | News Talk 980 CKNW | Vancouver's News. Vancouver's Talk (http://www.cknw.com/2016/10/31/elderly-couple-speak-out-about-coquitlam-rcmp-altercation-caught-on-video/)

“They are not policemen, they are gangsters… [he should be] fired, and apologize to me, and compensation for my physical and mental.”

Suddenly speaks English, wants money. Typical.

[Traum]

The couple have provided a statement to Coqutilam police and say they will be getting a lawyer.
I hope the judge throws their case out of the court so fast that they'll regret paying for the lawyers fees.

[Hondaracer]

Bat their god dang heads in with a billy club!

[Galactic_Phantom]

Stupid old man should have followed simple direction.

Stupid old man wanted to be assaulted on camera to get a civil lawsuit out of an interaction with a cop.

Stupid old woman makes a scene at a bank daily for a good rate on a loan.

Stupid younger man wanted his property vandalized so he can sodomize the perpetrator with a baton. Stupid younger man also wants legal recourse from cold food from Ihop.

Stupid people wanting to get anything they can out of a confrontation. Shown to be incapable of setting proper examples for children.

Are you related to this family by any chance?

[MG1]

^bwahahahahahaha............... cough, cough.......... hahahahahaha.............ouch, my ribs............. rolling over with laughter............... hit the table............ hahahahahaha............ laughing so hard..............

[Razor Ramon HG]

^bwahahahahahaha............... cough, cough.......... hahahahahaha.............ouch, my ribs............. rolling over with laughter............... hit the table............ hahahahahaha............ laughing so hard..............

That moment when it all comes back to you and you get it :lawl:

[CorneringArtist]

Stupid old man wanted to be assaulted on camera to get a civil lawsuit out of an interaction with a cop.

Stupid old woman makes a scene at a bank daily for a good rate on a loan.

Stupid younger man wanted his property vandalized so he can sodomize the perpetrator with a baton. Stupid younger man also wants legal recourse from cold food from Ihop.

Stupid people wanting to get anything they can out of a confrontation. Shown to be incapable of setting proper examples for children.

Are you related to this family by any chance?

http://i.imgur.com/VQLGJOL.gif

[TOPEC]

more videos, nothing interesting tho

Videos show events before B.C. RCMP arrest of elderly couple | CTV News (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/videos-show-events-before-b-c-rcmp-arrest-of-elderly-couple-1.3140908)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGGk-WfkvyI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9SYcbsjjvg

[MG1]

Why are all the video's titled, "RCMP Bad Behaviour." FFS, it should be titled, "Fucking Crazy Korean Seniors' Bad Behaviour."

And, the grammar of the written reports by the media................ yikes!

[Soundy]

This story has now hit Korean news in Korea. The netizens don't seem to be siding with the elders on this one

Any chance of a source quoting what the netizens are saying? I'm interested in what the word is based on the background in this thread.

+1

[whitev70r]

Does anyone know what the issue of the civil war in the Strata was even about?

[Hondaracer]

In that second video it looks like the woman is protecting the box on the table? Could be votes for strata council? Maybe they weren't happy with the election? Lol

Those two new videos just make them look worse

[d1gbick]

+1

it was all in Korean which I dont speak and had a friend translate. They have something called naver which is like the google of Korea and it was one of the top searched on there

It was also on the tv news KBS, which is like the CBC of Korea

The consensus seemed to be

- you can only pull that kind of thing with Korean police officers
- they deserved it for the show they put on. Most younger Koreans know all about the sense of entitlement from the older generation

[Ferra]

You are a police officer
You determine someone broke the law and needs to be arrested.
They refuse to go with you to the station by sitting on their ass.
You try talking to them, they don't give a crap about what you say, they are not moving.

Tell me what else you could've done at this point beside dragging their ass out?!?

Some of you seem to think the police used excessive force or should just let them go home since they are not "violent"?
Honest, I think they are getting the preferential senior treatment already. If it were any younger guy he probably would've been tasered, knee to the back of the head and drag down the stairs with cuffs behind his back, conscious or not.
And police should never drop an arrest just because they think the arrest will be difficult and gets physical. Once they decided to arrest you, you are getting arrested no matter what.

[Hondaracer]

Also lol @ the thought of calling in more officers to carry the guy down.

[Nlkko]

You can't treat a senior the same way you treat a young guy. You could really injure the dude and fuck your department over, both of which is not desirable. Tasering an old dude.... you don't know what his medical history are. If he ends up dead, you're fucked. I'm sure officers are trained on how to treat senior citizens certain ways.

So a lot of hugging, face-washing is fine if it gets the job done. No force needed here.

[Traum]

Nlkko, you're not seeing how the officers have already accounted for them being old here -- if they were just regular adults in their 20 - 50's, they would have been tasered and/or physically taken down, with a knee on their torso holding them to the ground, and then hands yanked and cuffed behind their backs already. The grandma arrest, in particular, was super mild. If the granddaughter wasn't a 5 year old kid, do you really think she would have gotten away with punching / hitting the cop the way she did?

The handling of the grandpa wasn't ideal, I'll give you that. But it wasn't unacceptable either.

[parm104]

Civility....this is what we all want.

Act civil, be treated civil. Never have I, nor will I condone unreasonable force or power by someone operating under the colour of law. The privilege to legally use physical force to control someone is a privilege that needs to be scrutinized. But, watching the way the people at that meeting were behaving, it's hard for me to empathize with them.

[CivicBlues]

I wonder why no one is mentioning the 5 year old granddaughter? Seems to me she needs to be taken into child protective custody if a pattern of anti-social behavior can be established with these 2 old fogeys. Going by her behavior towards to cop, it sounds like she's on her way to becoming a self-entitled stuck-up princess.

And what do the parents have to say? According to the CKNW story, they live in Edmonton and they dumped their kid with one of their parents? Had no idea E-town was so inhospitable to children FailFish

Who the fuck brings a 5-year old to a Strata meeting?

[Traum]

Who the fuck brings a 5-year old to a Strata meeting?
You can't leave a 5 year old at home all by herself. I, for one, am not at all surprised that the grandparents made the stupid decision to bring her along.

[edit] Well, actually, the decision to bring her along to the strata meeting isn't stupid in itself. It'll just be boring and a waste of time for the girl. But what's stupid is, the grandparents decided to throw a temper tantrum in front of their grandchild, and against the cops no less. FailFish

[CivicBlues]

Exactly, in any sane household one parent should stay home with the kid and the other should go to the meeting. Instead these 2 idiots decided to give her an ill thought out lesson on civil disobedience.

[flagella]

Surprised this thread is still going on. It's getting way off topic too talking about what the couple should've done.

Obviously there are two schools of thought here, those who think dragging the old man down the stairs was not appropriate regardless of what he was doing and those who think it's fine because he wasn't cooperating.

One party won't convince the other since it's a matter of personal value.

[Cr33pUh]

I wonder why no one is mentioning the 5 year old granddaughter? Seems to me she needs to be taken into child protective custody if a pattern of anti-social behavior can be established with these 2 old fogeys. Going by her behavior towards to cop, it sounds like she's on her way to becoming a self-entitled stuck-up princess.

And what do the parents have to say? According to the CKNW story, they live in Edmonton and they dumped their kid with one of their parents? Had no idea E-town was so inhospitable to children FailFish

Who the fuck brings a 5-year old to a Strata meeting?

:seriously:

[Mr.Money]

that fuck old should've listened and complied when they wanted to lock the building up and him to go politely like everybody else...

but Grey balls gotta act stupid

[20psi]

That was a pleasure to watch. Absolute moron residents.