[parm104]

Lately I've been wondering if anything good comes out of Abbotsford. Or is it just there turn to be under the spot light.

A stabbing at Abbotsford Secondary School has left two people with undetermined injuries.

Abbotsford police posted on social media they had a suspect in custody.

"We are trying to [expedite] medical treatment for 2 injured parties," they tweeted.

Both Abbotsford Senior Secondary and Abbotsford Junior Secondary are on lockdown.

A announcement which can be heard playing outside the school is asking teachers to lock classrooms doors and for everyone to stay in their classrooms until the "all-clear" is given.

2 injured in Abbotsford Secondary School stabbing - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/2-injured-in-abbotsford-secondary-school-stabbing-1.3831825)

Part of the incident was filmed by another student and it was extremely disturbing to see. I'm hearing from some sources that one of the victims did not survive her injuries.

[meme405]

I just saw the video, it's like 10 seconds long, shot vertically, and it's still a little tough to watch and hear the screams.

Some kid definitely just ruined his life, and impacted the lives of a lot of others...

[Traum]

OK, someone is going to ask -- so I might as well be that person.

Link to the video please?

[radioman]

Video

Hope she is OK.

[Traum]

Holy shxt...

Again, I wouldn't know right now how I would have reacted / what I would have done if I were there on site.

Sure hope the 2 victims involved would be OK.

[DavidNguyen]

Wtf. Guy beating girl? Smh

[Presto]

Good thing it was a knife, and not a gun. There's plenty of objects to use that can be effective defense vs a knife.

[Harvey Specter]

New link...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNdJw58goc

[Zedbra]

What a douche. If that was my daughter, that boy would be getting justice

[The_Situation]

Good thing it was a knife, and not a gun. There's plenty of objects to use that can be effective defense vs a knife.

I think you're under the impression that you can just grab a knife out of someone's hands. In reality, knife attacks are way more fuking scary than a gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37XiSn81oFw

[GLOW]

my only hope against a knife attacker is to outrun him and stay out of knife range. what i learned from a self defense course is if you're in a knife fight, you're getting cut, even if you have a knife as well.

that being said i can't outrun bullets but isn't it hard to hit a moving target from 20' away and further?

[Stealthy]

Stabbotsford, heard there was another multi stabbing at plaza of nations too...

wtf m8s

[Bouncing Bettys]

I'm hearing that one of the girls has died. Apparently Global BC just posted. So sad.

[Harvey Specter]

Sad...

I was there. There were just screams, I never want to hear those screams again... She was just going on and on, stopping for short breaths...

I was in a subsection of the library, by the computers. The stabbing happened outside by the large gathering space, outside the library. When the girl got stabbed, there were just these screams, these visceral, horrible, awful noises. And then she started running. I'd never seen anyone run and scream like that poor girl did. Her face was bloodied, there was a gash running down from about her eye, blood was coming out. She was clearly also bleeding from somewhere on her torso.

The door to the room I was in was the first door that she was closest to. Still shrieking, she ran into the computer room and we shut the door behind her. Everyone ducked and hid underneath the desks. One heroic student took it upon himself to shut the door behind him, and make sure that all the other doors in the area were also closed.

So we sat there, waiting, hiding, terrified. A foot away was a girl bleeding out... I had never seen so much blood, I didn't even know that there could be so much of anything inside of a person. A few of the students who knew first aid rushed to put pressure on the wounds. These were the people that likely helped save her life, or at least prolong it. As soon as the police came, we were asked to move from the computer lab to the library proper. On our way out, even those that had been trying to avoid seeing the state of the girl, had to have caught a glimpse of her body surrounded in a river of blood. When it was safe, police were able to carry her out of the room, and airlift her to a hospital.

It was horrifying. In the minutes that followed, we hid out in the conference room. Girls were crying, people were hugging, nobody knew if the stabber was still out there... And we didn't know the location of one of our classmates, who had been away from the group at the time of the stabbing. We waited.

It wasn't until about 5:10 that we were let out of the school, through a back entrance so as not to see anything that would further disturb us. As though watching a girl scream and run, blood all over wasn't enough. The prerecorded message had stopped playing for a few minutes.

All of us in that room were shaken up. It was nothing short of a harrowing experience. The prerecorded “this is a lockdown” came back on and kept going off every few seconds. An officer came in and started asking us to write down our names phone number, and what we saw or heard, while we were still in the conference room.

You always hear on the news about stabbings and shootings, they're usually footnotes at the end of a broadcast, or posts with 14 up votes that nobody cares about. I'm guilty of just scrolling past them too. But there's nothing like being there, seeing things...

Most of the students in that room know the name of one of the victims, but in the interest of preserving privacy, I won't tell it. A press conference is planned for 7, but news is already circulating that one of the students taken to hospital is now dead.

Today was a terrifying, horrible day for everyone at Abby Senior.

Edit: fixed grammar mistakes, revised text. Accidentally said shooter instead of stabber, fixed now.

Edit 2: Naturally, I need to provide evidence, this is reddit after all. http://i.imgur.com/fcdQBPM.png

Edit 3: Added detail about waiting time.

[Nlkko]

1 dead........ So senseless.

[Presto]

I think you're under the impression that you can just grab a knife out of someone's hands. In reality, knife attacks are way more fuking scary than a gun



I still stand by my statement. The point is survivability. Being a hero just gets you killed. Unarmed there is no chance. However, there are chairs and tables around to make use of to maintain distance, and to give a better chance of survival than having to dodge bullets.

[iwantaskyline]

These types of things make me wish the death penalty was legal in Canada.

[MG1]

RIP to the victim and condolences to their loved ones - friends and relatives.


http://www.abbypd.ca//files/File/myAssets/1858/2016-11-01%20Stabbing%20at%20Abby%20Sr.pdf

[gilly]

Abbotsford Senior Secondary School east of Vancouver remains closed today after stabbings there yesterday that left one girl dead and a fellow female student in hospital.

The two students were stabbed inside the school yesterday afternoon. One died later in hospital, the other is in hospital in stable condition. Police have not released their identities.

A suspect was subdued by staff and held until he was arrested. He remains in police custody and no charges have been announced yet.

Police haven't released his identity, but have said the young man does not appear to have been a student at the school and may not have had any connection to the victims.

"Who he is [and] what was driving him is very much a matter for investigators at this time," Chief Bob Rich of the Abbotsford Police Department said Tuesday.

more info here:

Abbotsford, B.C., high school closed after student killed in stabbings - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/abbotsford-stabbing-1.3832469)

[6o4__boi]

Just sad...RIP to that poor victim.

[cdizzle_996]

I've heard rumors that the attacker was a 21 year old from Calgary. He was apparently in Abbotsford hospital Sunday, but released.

[SumAznGuy]

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_RJbxpzrtI

Hope she is OK.

New link...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNdJw58goc

Video's been removed. What was on it?

[cdizzle_996]

Video's been removed. What was on it?

A dancing guy playing a piano....:rukidding:

[MG1]

Very short footage taken from the original cell phone footage.........


Many other video's, but I'm not going to search for them.

[Verdasco]

saw the clip unblurred, so much, fcking blood....., was gruesome.... ...


i wonder if the girl screaming in the video died or was it someone else. RIP...


poor kids in the school will just think about the stabbinge 24/7, im not even sure if tehy can even function properly knowing a stabbing occurred in the same place their education is taught!

[Harvey Specter]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14955909_10154694777799451_3846959098584913897_n.j pg?oh=f462e77c98c233370c4a556565a3910a&oe=58CD06E2

[meme405]

Murder charge laid in fatal stabbing at Abbotsford high school - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/abbotsford-stabbing-charges-1.3833589)

GG guy was 21. He's gonna rot in prison a long time...

[Traum]

Given how little faith I have in our revolving door court system, I honestly think the guy will be out in the community again waaaaaay sooner than he deserves. FailFish

[Verdasco]

Given how little faith I have in our revolving door court system, I honestly think the guy will be out in the community again waaaaaay sooner than he deserves. FailFish

how so? I say 20 years-25

little faith in what way?

[Traum]

Far too often, I see judges handing out sentences that are too lenient (IMO) for the crime that has been committed. And then afterwards, paroles are often granted too early.

An example I can readily think of is Kelly Ellard in the Reena Virk murder. Ellard was given an automatic life sentence with no parole eligibility for 7 years. Ellard has obviously been denied of parole right now, but had she been on good behaviour in prison, 7 years or a bit more might be all she needed to serve. And then I ask myself -- are you fxxking kidding me? Only 7 years for brutally murdering someone?

[6o4__boi]

Agreed, the justice system more often than not disregards the damage to society and tends to focus on the impact to the offender. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets charged with manslaughter when all is said and done
or even found not criminally responsible

fucked up...caught red-handed like that, this scum should be strung up and hung til he rots.

[quasi]

The guy who beheaded and cannibalized someone on a greyhound was given supervised release 6 years after sentencing. Nutter Butters or not someone like this should never see the light of day. I have no faith that this guy will get anything more then a slap on the wrist.

[Hondaracer]

You'd think you could get a first degree charge no?

[Bouncing Bettys]

CBC radio was saying he is from Alberta and has been in the Vancouver area since March with no fixed residence. I've read comments that he doesn't appear to be wearing shoes in the attack video. It seems more and more likely he will get the greyhound bus beheader treatment than serve prison time.

[MG1]

oops wrong thread.

[SkinnyPupp]

A reminder to everyone not to post the video here in the non NSFW section. We have a section for that kind of stuff, go post it there.

[adambomb]

You'd think you could get a first degree charge no?

I think first degree requires proof of planning and a specific target. These girls were randoms. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but I think that's how the law works. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

:cry:

RIP

[MG1]

The two girls were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know that school well. A recently renovated school that has a community library that is open to everybody. It is not a closed campus. Across the driveway and field is a middle school and across from that an Elementary school. The school is located close to what I would call, the Downtown Eastside of Abbotsford. It is also two to three blocks from the Five Corners where the racist incident took place.

You can easily enter the school from just about anywhere. The atmosphere at Abbotsford Senior school is a good one. Like most modern schools, it promotes a community feel. It's not going to be the same anymore.

Day after Halloween, too.

[twitchyzero]

even more tragic it's random
when i first heard 2 got injured in knife attack I assumed it was targeted
at least he didn't go in gun-blazing

[westopher]

A reminder to everyone not to post the video here in the non NSFW section. We have a section for that kind of stuff, go post it there.
Seriously.....Just don't post it anywhere.
I know the kids Mom isn't browsing RS or anything, but does anyone here want to be part of the culture thats going to perpetuate a family being unable to escape a video of the brutal, unprovoked murder of their daughter?
Jesus fucking christ.
The internet is turning sociopathy into the norm.

[Presto]

Seriously. if you really like to see people die, just go download the Faces of Death collection. It's a buffet.;)

[godwin]

I guess Abbotsford's harsh treatment of the homeless / mentally ill has come back to bite them.

RCMP release photo of homeless man charged in high school murder | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-release-photo-of-homeless-man-charged-in-high-school-murder-1.3144621)

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3144627.1478192429!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

[iwantaskyline]

I guess Abbotsford's harsh treatment of the homeless / mentally ill has come back to bite them.

RCMP release photo of homeless man charged in high school murder | CTV Vancouver News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-release-photo-of-homeless-man-charged-in-high-school-murder-1.3144621)



Yeah you're a moron, he's from Alberta.

[westopher]

More like canadas missing treatment of the mentally ill.

[godwin]

Really?

He ended up in Abbotsford.. homeless.. it became Abbotsford's problem..

It happens all the time eg http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/report-released-on-saskatchewan-men-given-1-way-bus-tickets-to-b-c-1.3669332

Yeah you're a moron, he's from Alberta.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Really?

He ended up in Abbotsford.. homeless.. it became Abbotsford's problem..

It happens all the time eg Report released on Sask. men given 1-way bus tickets to B.C. - Saskatchewan - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/report-released-on-saskatchewan-men-given-1-way-bus-tickets-to-b-c-1.3669332)
We don't know when he arrived and the reports so far have said he has been in the Vancouver area since March. The earliest I have seen anyone in Abbotsford claiming to have saw him was on Sunday at the Abbotsford Hospital. I don't like to defend the chicken-manure-spraying asshole attitude Abbotsford City Council has had in the past, but even the most progressive policies would have had little effect in such a short time frame.

[parm104]

I think first degree requires proof of planning and a specific target. These girls were randoms. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but I think that's how the law works. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

:cry:

RIP

I would disagree with that. This was both planned and deliberate. The attacker came with a knife and whether or not he knew the victims, at the time he approached them his goal was to kill them, knowingly.

[Digitalis]

How much longer are we going to put up with this?
BAN all KNIVES!

[Bouncing Bettys]

How much longer are we going to put up with this?
BAN all KNIVES!
All for this! I'll just cut my steak with a shotgun.

[Galactic_Phantom]

I would disagree with that. This was both planned and deliberate. The attacker came with a knife and whether or not he knew the victims, at the time he approached them his goal was to kill them, knowingly.

They're only going for 2nd degree probably because it would be hard for Crown to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the murder was the goal.

[Berzerker]

Far too often, I see judges handing out sentences that are too lenient (IMO) for the crime that has been committed. And then afterwards, paroles are often granted too early.

An example I can readily think of is Kelly Ellard in the Reena Virk murder. Ellard was given an automatic life sentence with no parole eligibility for 7 years. Ellard has obviously been denied of parole right now, but had she been on good behaviour in prison, 7 years or a bit more might be all she needed to serve. And then I ask myself -- are you fxxking kidding me? Only 7 years for brutally murdering someone?

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

[parm104]

They're only going for 2nd degree probably because it would be hard for Crown to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the murder was the goal.

Yah I get that but...

How do we know that when he was only arrested a day or two ago? How much time has the Police or Crown had to gather evidence or determine motive? Has an autopsy even been done yet?

At the end of the day I don't think I really care which of the two he is charged with as long as he gets the maximum sentence. But it seems to me like Crown is just afraid of doing a little work here and getting their hands dirty. It's not a far stretch that with his knife in his hand and the attack he made without provocation, that 1st degree murder is more than likely what occurred than 2nd degree.

[will068]

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.

That's gonna be one evil baby.

[SkinnyPupp]

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.
Just what the world needs

[Traum]

Shes actually pregnant right now with a baby from a guy in another prison. They were allowed conjugal visits. Now THAT is fucked up.

Berz out.
Yeah, and it boggles my mind that this is happening. I can only FailFish when I think of what the prospects / role models are for the baby as he grows up.

For the time being, the baby will stay with mommy. But I wonder how soon social service / foster childcare will kick in to take over. And even then, I would still say the outlooks are not good.

[Ducdesmo]

Yeah, and it boggles my mind that this is happening. I can only FailFish when I think of what the prospects / role models are for the baby as he grows up.

For the time being, the baby will stay with mommy. But I wonder how soon social service / foster childcare will kick in to take over. And even then, I would still say the outlooks are not good.

Poor baby, never stood a chance from the get go.

[ilovebacon]

I dont understand, after reading what all happened this month in the article and having sympathy for the lost of a family. The person who died was actually pregnant?

[Traum]

^^ Kelly Ellard -- the Reena Virk murderer -- is pregnant while she is serving her prison term. The young victim from the Abby school stabbing is obviously not pregnant.

[Galactic_Phantom]

Yah I get that but...

How do we know that when he was only arrested a day or two ago? How much time has the Police or Crown had to gather evidence or determine motive? Has an autopsy even been done yet?

At the end of the day I don't think I really care which of the two he is charged with as long as he gets the maximum sentence. But it seems to me like Crown is just afraid of doing a little work here and getting their hands dirty. It's not a far stretch that with his knife in his hand and the attack he made without provocation, that 1st degree murder is more than likely what occurred than 2nd degree.

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but can't Crown lay a 2nd degree for now and opt to change to first degree if they found further evidence?

I get it is easy for us to say that it was planned and deliberate, but the police and Crown would have to back track and find hard, factual evidence of the planning and deliberate before he committed the act. If the evidence found is weak, the first degree charge will get thrown out regardless. Look at the Pickton case for example, all that evidence and investigation and still, many of his first degrees got rejected for 2nds.

[6o4__boi]

I have limited knowledge in criminal law but from things i've seen and read before, it's pretty damn hard to convict anyone of 1st degree.
Hell, even convicting someone of 2nd is pretty hard.